Episode Summary – YOU ARE NOT ALONE! In this important Episode 37 of the Shining Brightly Podcast Show we learn how Sheena Yap Chan, best-selling author of the TAO of SELF-CONFIDNCE, KEYNOTE speaker, inspirational podcaster and women’s advocate uses her voice to help others embrace their history, culture and find their self-confidence to break stereotypes, myths and old bias toward women and Asian women.  Come listen, learn and share this incredible show to appreciate the ability to lift up yourself and then lift up others to help them Shine Brightly with confidence every day! Take the Self-confidence

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Sheena Yap Chan is a keynote speaker, podcaster, consultant, and author on building self-confidence. She currently inspires women through her award-winning podcast called The Tao of Self-Confidence where she interviews Asian women about their inner journey to self-confidence. She launched The Tao of Self-Confidence: A Guide to Moving Beyond Trauma and Awakening the Leader Within in May 2023. The book delivers an inspirational and exciting discussion of how Asian women can overcome past traumas to become the best versions of themselves. In the book, you’ll discover how to reveal your own leadership potential, step into your greatness, and get to the root causes of what’s holding you back.

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Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.

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Hello, it's Howard brown. It's the Shining Brightly

Show. Oh my goodness, I get the best guests. And I have this

amazing author, speaker podcaster and Sheena Yep. Chen

from the great country of Canada, up in Toronto is with us

today. How are you? Hey, Howard, thank you so much for having me

as a guest on the show today. I'm truly honoured and I'm doing

fantastic. Well, you got quite a story to share. And I'm excited

to get started with you. But let me let me share just a little

bit about you. I know you've got for people on the video side,

you've got your book, The Tao of self confidence. You've got

Asian women who boss me up available on Kindle. This is

awesome. And we're going to talk about all those things. So so

let me just introduce you a little bit and then you can fill

in the blanks. So Sheena Chan is a keynote speaker, podcaster

consultant, and a Wall Street Journal best selling author, and

building self confidence. Everybody needs self confidence.

Boy, we've been in tough, tough times, you've tough to get out

of bed some days. She currently inspires women through her award

winning podcast called The Tao of self confidence, where she

interviews Asian women about their inner journey to self

confidence. Her mission is to help Asian women boost their

confidence to live their authentic selves. Helping Asian

woman creates a voice in the world and creates a stronger

representation for Asian women. She has been featured in Mind

Valley slice.ca, marketing and Asia, the MILA Manila times and

a lot more. You are a top 100 Filipino have to talk about

that. And you're followed on LinkedIn for inspiration and

learning. You're also co author of an international best selling

book, The Asian woman who boss up and the Tao of self

confidence is a Publishers Weekly best seller too. So we

got lots to talk about. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Share some

more about yourself. And also tell my audience a little bit

something that not everybody knows about you that you want to

share?

Yeah, for sure. First off, hello, everybody.

Welcome to the show. Thank you for tuning in. Something that I

probably that most of you may not know is I love to watch K

dramas, they're my guilty pleasure, started out of the

lock downs and kind of went downhill from there. But I love

them. You know the story, the storytelling is so great. And

for me, it's really great when it talks about mental health and

trauma, which is something that is still a huge taboo in our

community. So being able to paint that story is really

important because it's very relatable, especially growing up

as an Asian woman.

So binging during during the pandemic. Ah,

yes.

All right. A lot of people did Hulu and Netflix,

HBO, everyone's doing that. So what we're coming out of it. And

tell us about your journey. Just a little bit about about

Chinese, Filipino and a little bit about, you know, growing up

and your family life and things like that, and how you got over

to Canada?

Yeah, for sure. So I was born in the

Philippines, my great grandfather and my grandfather

migrated from Taiwan and China to the Philippines. So now we

have a lot of family Philippines. My dad decided to

migrate to Canada when I was seven. So, you know, first time

ever, coming to Canada, and I didn't even know what Canada

was, I kept asking my father, are we going to America? And

he's like, No, we're going to Canada. And I'm like, is there a

Disneyland in Canada? He's like, No, I'm like, why would why can

we go to America? Why are we going to Canada, you know, but I

love Canada. I love Toronto, it's, you know, I love that so

multicultural. You can literally try every cuisine on earth here

in Toronto. And every, you know, the work that I do now really

stem from my upbringing, you know, growing up in Toronto in

the 90s. I never saw anybody that looked like me, you know,

on media, on TV, billboards, magazines. So I felt ashamed of

my own culture and wanted to have blond hair and blue eyes,

change my name to Heather to have a more Western name. And

yeah, so for from like, age nine or 10, to like my 20s, I was,

you know, I always didn't want to be Asian, I was always

embarrassed of it. And it wasn't until I dyed my hair back from

blonde to my original hair colours, where I finally

embraced my culture. And in 2015, as I was dealing with my

own competence issues, I was really looking for resource

systems that really catered to Asian Women's confidence, but I

really couldn't find any there was nothing out there. And so

part of me thought I was the only one dealing with this, but

culturally, we're not told to talk about how we feel or what

we're going through. And so that's how the podcast the top

of self confidence started, you know, as a way to support Asian

women and also create better representation because till this

day, we're still seen by our negative stereotypes. And even

though I had a podcast about confidence, I was like the least

confident right? Because I you know, I was like, Oh my God,

these women are amazing. You know, they're like, eight figure

earners. I got 2 million followers on Instagram. And then

there's me. And in Asian culture, the compare game is

very strong. You know, I just felt like, you know, there was

some went out there who's already doing it better than I

did. So I didn't really have to, like, make that effort. And then

when the pandemic happened, I was just like, I thought the

world was done. Like, I thought it was the end of the world, I

was like, ready to quit everything, because we didn't

know what was gonna happen, we were all stuck at home, right?

We didn't know if we were gonna make it through or not. And so

it was just like one of the weirdest times of our life. But

then, you know, in in the summer of 2020, I met a lady online who

started the book series women who boss up. And, you know, we

co created this book, we've done 10 books since the pandemic from

different themes. And it really just gave me the confidence to

go out there and share my voice really speak up for, especially

for Asian women, which led to being able to work with a big

time publisher like Wiley, to have this book, The Tao of self

confidence, a guide to moving beyond trauma and awakening the

leader within. And, you know, it's it's not typical to have an

Asian woman talk about, right about leadership, right? If you

look at the numbers in the US, Asian women have one of the

lowest numbers in high corporate roles in management roles in

leadership roles, and it keeps declining. So I was like, Why is

it you know, we have one of the lowest levels of leadership. And

it really ties down to like, the trauma, we go through what Asian

women go through in general, and being able to have these tough

conversations. So we can move, move past it and show up as our

best self because we all go through some form of trauma,

right. And sometimes we're not aware of that trauma. And we

don't realise that trauma could be holding us back or taking

control of us. And so, as chaotic as this world is, I

believe what we really need is to heal, like healing is so

important, especially, you know, after the pandemic, and we're

still going through the after effects of that, and we really

need healing so we can move forward, be our best selves and,

you know, live the life that we're meant to live.

Yeah, then the number one cause I read this

recently, of coming out of the pandemic was loneliness.

Everyone is craving for a hug, or embrace or interaction, not

just on Zoom, right? But it's just some good things to it and

bad things is put us together today. And by the way, Canada is

part of North America, we got to tell gramps that we get the

geography lesson there done. But it's important. You don't know

this about me. But I went to Babson College, it's the number

one school for entrepreneurship. And we have a centre for Women's

Entrepreneur leaders. And you are right. African American

women, Asian women are in the minority of ones who get funded

for their business and put into executive roles. And that trend

has not really budged much in a long time. And it needs to

because it doesn't make any sense when you want diverse

views as well as different opinions and different qualities

of people. And I take me back to this is this because of, you

know, in the Philippines or even in China was some of your family

in Taiwan, where it's just more of a male dominated upbringing?

Is that where the women are not given that role or respect?

They're supposed to raise the family? Am I onto something

there?

Yeah, I mean, there's some commonalities in

every Asian culture where you know, the men are favoured over

women. I mean, if family had to choose between their son or

daughter to go to school, of course, they'll pick, they'll

choose a son over the daughter, like my grandmother only went up

to sixth grade. And then she started, she had to start taking

care of the family, and my grandma had 11 siblings. So it's

a lot to take care of. And if you look back in history, it's

always like, you know, the men, the men are the ones who can

have multiple wives have concubines, and the more the

merrier, because it's more chances of carrying the family

name. And this was really important, like, it was so

important for the men to have a son to carry the family name to

live on that family name. So even in China, right, like, you

know, women are vilified if they're single, like, if you're,

if you're 25. And over, but you have a good job, you have good

business, you have your head on your shoulders, you're

considered a leftover. And that's what they literally call

it. In Japan. The similar they have that they have a similar

thing, but it's called Christmas cake. Because after Christmas,

your leftover so it's so crazy. That, you know, we still go

through this or even in Japan, you know, women still get

treated unfairly. Right. So that's one of the things and

then culturally, you know, we're just seeing as someone to get

married, have kids and run the household, not be like, you can

be an entrepreneur, you can be a creator, you can go out there

and live the life that you're supposed to live, right. You

know, for so long. We've been taught to live one way of life

and it was passed on from generation to generation to

generation for centuries. So of course, that's all we know, not

realising that really has been hurting us for the longest time.

And people don't realise too, like we're not only carrying our

own traumas, we're carrying the traumas of our parents, our

grandparents, our great grandparents, and so on. Like

they say it's four generations deep. But I believe it goes

deeper just because historically, the things that's

happened to us like sometimes, you know, we have certain

traditions that we do that doesn't make sense that actually

hurts women. Right? And we never question it. Like, back in the

day, you know, Chinese women had their feet binded as a status

symbol is a symbol of beauty and like, knowing that the person's

married, like, even my own great grandmother had her feet binded

and I didn't even know that until, like, you know, three,

four months ago, but that was that was that was like typical

back then. Right? To show that status, and not realising, like,

that's really painful. Like, it's, it's painful. And then she

had that done. So there's so many things, we could go through

that just like, you know, it would take forever, like,

there's just so many things, but these are things that nobody

talks about, right? And it's not about feeling like the victim,

it's just understanding this is what we go through. And that we

have to be aware of it so we can find solutions. So we could move

on.

So but going through seven, seven years old

growing up in Toronto, even though it's multicultural, you

did feel different, or were you bullied in school a little bit?

I mean, I got teased in school. I don't I

mean, I think back then, um, you know, we didn't have social

media and social media is like, it's good. And it's, and it can

be bad, right, like online bullying and things like that.

Yes, of course, I was teased, you know, I was different. But

you know, I don't think it was, to the extent is like, some of

the bullying that kids go through nowadays, which is just

terrifying, right? But I always felt different, of course,

right? When you don't fit the mould of what a Canadian is

supposed to look like, or what an American is supposed to look

like. You feel like you're not beautiful. You feel like your

self worth has gone down. And all you want to aspire is what

that supposed to look like. So, so yeah, for, like I mentioned

during, in my childhood, I just never felt that I was good

enough. Because I was Asian, right? Or I felt really ugly.

Because I was Asian, they didn't have blue hair and blonde

nights, or blond haired blue eyes.

We know what you're saying. It's okay. So, so

so so you're getting this. And in 2015, you're really starting

to build up, I've had to empower yourself, and then empower

others. And this is what I love about the book and the excerpt.

So that I've read and all that take us through the writing

process. You're already kind of done a collaborative book, but

this was your book.

So I mean, a collaborative book is totally

different, because it's just one chapter, right. But I mean, this

is a full fledged book. And I had less than three months to do

it so that we can have it launched in last month, which

was Asian heritage month. And so as soon as we, we, we, I said

yes to it. The next day, I just started writing. And I mean,

even before though I was questioning myself, if I was the

person to write this book, right, I'm like, Who am I to

write a book about leadership? Like, I don't even really know

what I'm doing. Right? And we, you know, self doubt is normal,

right? We feel like, there's someone out there who could do

it better. But I realised I needed to do this, not just for

myself, but for my community, for the Asian women out there

who feel like, they don't like who feel the same way I was

feeling right, maybe they feel like they're not good enough. I

want them to show them like it's possible, it's really possible

for you, especially if it's possible for me, because I'm

not, you know, I'm not the smartest, you know, I'm not

like, you know, I don't have like straight A's or like MBAs

or anything, but I'm willing to do the work, I'm willing to make

mistakes, to figure things out to course correct. To get it

done. And, you know, as women too, we've always been

programmed to like, wait for things to happen, not realising

that nothing happens if you wait, right? We got to go out

there and make the first move and be okay with it, even if it

means you know, people calling, you know, too much too

aggressive, too ambitious, too shameful. I mean, men do it all

the time, and they get praised for it. And it's time as women,

we just need to dismantle these names, and then be seen as

courageous and confident versus too ambitious or too much.

Well, first of all, all that thing about,

you're not the right person, or you're not ready for I admire

that three months, I took three years. And I didn't write my

book, I dictated it over zoom, and invited 158 of the most

influential, important people in my life. So three months is like

speed you're writing every single day all day long. So it's

you got to give yourself some props for that. And then you

had, you know, a big publishing house, you know, help you with,

hopefully editorial and getting it done. But it's really

important. So the process was, you were on speed dial, you are

very much. Yeah, go ahead.

And one tip I got from my good friend was

right, like you're drunk and edit like you're sober. So

that's what I did. And then I had, of course, the team of

editors who kind of just make it flow a little bit better and

things like that. But yeah, I mean, that really helped me

because sometimes, too, if in the writing process as you're

writing, you're like, do you think people will understand

what I'm saying? Do you think this We'll make sense. Do you

think they'll laugh at me? I mean, of course, all these

thoughts will come into your head, right? I mean, you're

human, you want to make sure you you give your heart and soul and

give the best work and advice to help people out there reading.

Right? So yeah, I mean, I would go to Starbucks, like, every

weekend just to write this book, right. And the best thing was, I

was able to do it in chunks, you know, just like split it into

three things. So that, you know, here's part one, here's part

one, part one is done. Here's part two, part two, and part

three. So sometimes chunking into little actionable steps,

makes it a lot easier versus trying to figure I gotta write a

whole book in three months, how am I going to do that? Right?

instead? I'd be like, well, first month, I'll do part one

second month, I'll do part two, then third month, I'll do part

Well, the relation here because of my book was

three.

shining brightly is be able to find hope, in darkness. And

you're giving hope to Asian women that had typically not had

a voice. So major applause for that. It's really important. And

now you're meeting all sorts of great accomplished women,

because this book is giving you that platform. Tell me what it's

like now that you know, you're creating better representation

for Asian women. Are you seeing the impact? Or you're feeling

it?

had other women saying, like, me and my daughter

are having these hard conversations that we don't

normally do. Which is, which is huge, because in Asian culture,

you know, we just hide it under the rug and think it'll go away,

not realising that is what is affecting us, right? We can't

hide anything under the rug, like we have to talk about these

important issues. If we keep everything under the rug, that's

this is why, you know, women are targeted more in Asian hate

crimes, not being not being able to be promoted to the next

level, because sometimes all they see is us as quiet and not

us as a leader. Right? There's a difference between working hard

and being able to be seen as a leader. And, and so we need to

figure out, you know, what does that look like? How do we be a

leader? How do How can we get to the next level? You know, we

don't even like go out there and network sometimes, right? Which

is huge. If you want to make a name for yourself. And is this

easy? Of course not. Right? I mean, I still get anxiety just

even thinking about or even reaching out. But I know, if I

do it, you know, it becomes a result, right? And another

result, and then it snowballs into everything else. So yeah,

well, I want to tell you, I do a lot of work in

the interfaith world. And when one minority is targeted, all

minorities can be targeted. And so I happen to do a tonne of

work, because I'm in the Jewish community, but in with the anti

semitism with the Muslim community and some of phobia,

and especially during COVID, when they were blaming Asians

for COVID, that whole China flu stuff that a former President

mentioned. I mean, that's, that's just plain wrong. And

it's not right. And so I was very proud to tell you that I

and Michigan, the Jewish community, we signed on this,

the Asian anti hate bill, and got that put through Congress.

So I hear what you're saying. It's just easy for people to

consider you the other and not actually look underneath at the

culture, the cuisine, and things like that, and appreciate that,

because we're all God's creatures, and we all have

value. And so this is what I love about you bring that

forward. And I have no idea because I use the hybrid

publisher, which I love, because we actually did the work

together. The big publishers, and I'm a first time author, and

an unlikely author, I didn't have the confidence, it wasn't

even on my bucket list. I'm a good speaker, not a great

writer. But the fact is, we use Zoom to get transcripts to

become drafts to become a chapter and I have I'm a

published author, Best Selling Author, as well. And it was a

huge effort, not three months, three years. So I'm just like in

awe of you to be able to push that through in that short

amount of time and to get a really amazing book out there.

So tell me some tips, a couple, two, three, whatever that how

does someone build their confidence? And what would you

recommend where to start?

Yeah, for sure. I mean, when it comes to

building confidence, I tell people to take it one step at a

time, you don't have to make really big leaps. Because

sometimes we make that big leap, and then we don't hit it. And

then we feel bad about ourselves, right? And in order

to create the big results that we want. It's about taking the

small daily actionable steps. So let's say you want to write a

book, right? And you're like, Oh, my God, this is such a big,

big deal to write a book, right? And it is for a lot of people.

You know, just start with page one, right? Write one page a

day. And imagine if you wrote one page a day for a whole year,

you would have full book or you would even have two books,

right? So it's just you know, taking those things one step at

a time, like jogging. Maybe you want to start with one one

kilometre, right? You hit one kilometre, man, you want to add

maybe half a kilometre more, and just slowly increase it. And

you'd be surprised at the end, you could do like 20 kilometres

without without blinking an eye. So well that first piece of

advice is important because you can't eat the whole pizza. You

got to take the slice. That's great. Yeah. So Rome wasn't

built in a day. So don't expect yourself to do the same way.

Exactly what what other what other tips do you

have?

Yeah, I mean, another tip that I mentioned is

that, you know, we have all been confident in something that we

do, right? We've all been confident something whether it's

jogging, business, video, podcasting. And so when we start

doing something new, we get scared, because it's unknown to

us, right? But you can transfer the confidence that you have and

the things you've accomplished and put it towards that. So

that's not really about scared, it's just we don't know, we

don't know, we get, we don't know what the outcome is, we

don't know if we'll fail. And if we fail, it's not really

failure. It's just feedback. So being able to transfer whatever

you've done in the past that confidence to something new that

can really help you out. And then the most important part is

be okay to ask for help. This is so important, especially

culturally, we're not told to ask for help, it's seen as a

weakness, or a handout, but we can't do everything ourselves.

Like we all have blind spots. So so we won't be able to see it.

Right? So it's kind of like you're when you're driving a car

and you want to change lanes, what do you do you you look at

your rearview mirror to check out the blind spots. So you

know, you have to also apply it in real life like go ask for

help be okay to ask for help. Be okay to seek support? Because

asking for help is really what can help you build confidence

because they can there's a third, second or third pair of

eyes that can see your blind spots and then be able to course

correct so you can show up as your best self. You know, I this

is something that I tell every single person now because for so

long, we've always been told don't ask for help. Don't ask

for help. Don't ask for help. But we we have to ask for help.

We can't do this alone, we got to do this together or be part

of a group or you know even be okay to ask for a licenced

mental health therapist to talk about your problems. I mean,

back in our culture that's considered shameful. They think

something's wrong with us if we go do that, but there's nothing

wrong with that, like we all we all need to work on our mental

health.

So this is this is why you're here. It's my guests.

Because everything you're speaking of, I pull out themes

in my memoir. My book isn't isn't a two time cancer book. My

book is a life guide to living a resilient life with hope. And

the themes I pull out is that survivorship we're all trying to

survive something surviving life, surviving work, surviving

relationships, surviving health. And then the the point about

taking help, it allows someone else to give you that

perspective, the blind spot, but also it makes them feel good,

and helps lift you up. And my theme is that you have to lift

yourself up. And this is what you are doing for yourself and

Asian women. And once you actually are doing the self

care, the self love the confidence building, then you

can actually lift up others. And that's what I love that you're

doing. And then we joined together like we are doing, and

we shine brightly all over the world to make this world a

better place. And that's why our themes are so related. And you

wouldn't look at that right away and see that but I'm telling you

that this is I see that. And I have guides on on my website on

survivorship on mentorship is leadership on interfaith, and

why interfaith relations of knowing the other. And this is

all very common. And I think that's what you're doing as

well. So I'm really just this, I'm all excited to get even

further into your book. And so what is next with you now, all

of a sudden, you've got the book, the book tour, you're

speaking, you're coaching and also you're got the podcast,

you're busy? What's the what's the future, like the rest of the

year? What do you mean, your book every week?

I don't know, it's so funny when people ask me

that, because it's like, you know, I just, I'm just like, you

know, go wherever, wherever the wind takes me, that's a good

answer. But like, you know, whatever opportunities arise,

you know, I just go for it, right? And sometimes, you know,

we, we want to plan our five year plan or a 10 year plan.

There's nothing wrong with that, which is great, right? But

sometimes we get so consumed that we forget to like really

live in the moment. And so, I've I've been in this journey for so

long. And for me, it's always like, you know, what, can I do

better? Right? What can I do better being able to ask the

right questions, and then those right questions will lead me to

that answer. So I know that's probably like, like woowoo or

whatever. But yeah, like, you know, just really excited for

what's to come. Being able to have a book that really touches

on Asian women in leadership. And then just keep going keep

that message going. Keep speaking up. Keep showing and

others what's possible because a lot of people like you mentioned

need hold need something to you know have their light back on

right their light has been so dim for so long. They just need

something to show them what's possible while you're showing

them and you're the wind blew you onto the shining brightly

podcast today. So I'm so excited. So this is a part of

the show we call the shining brightly spotlight. Nice Sheena,

what are we going to do is I'd love for you to tell my audience

that's listening and watching how best to get a hold of you. I

heard you actually have a really cool giveaway. And then I want

to give you the last, you know, final word of the show and then

kick it over to me and we'll we'll do a wrap. Sounds good.

Well, first off, if you want to connect with me, you can go to

my website, www dot SheenaYapchan.com I have a free

quiz where you can unlock your self confidence personality. So

you know, it's about five questions, you can get the

results right away. For the book The Tao of self confidence. You

can purchase a copy on Amazon Barnes and Noble Indigo all the

major book retailers. So you can pick up a copy. And it's

available on Kindle hardcover and audio for my podcast, the

Tao of self confidence that is available on all major

podcasting platforms. So Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google, play

Amazon, tonnes of episodes that you can binge listen to have

over 800 episodes. And then for my social media, you know, if

you look up Sheena Yap Chan, I'm literally the only Sinead chan

on the internet. So not hard to find. You'll see all my social

medias, tick tock Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, I'm

all there you are. So give me give me a final word. As we, as

you take the show to a wrap. Yeah, for sure. So I was, you

know, sharing a post today. And, you know, I was talking about,

you know, I was like thinking what, what would be a really

great message today, right? And so I saw something on Google.

And it just made a lot of sense, right? And so for anyone who's

there, man or woman, but it's geared towards women, of course,

there's a strong woman in all of us, right? Sometimes we feel

like we're so weak because of how we perceive ourselves. But

the moment when we believe in our capabilities, we believe we

can go out there and make things happen. You know, we are strong,

I love that. That's, that's incredible. Thank

you. So, again, this is Howard Brown, you can reach me at

we are strong, right? It's just how we perceive ourselves is

shining brightly.com. And, obviously, there's my speaking

what's stopping us. We have that strength inside us. It's just

the podcasts, the book. There's stuff on cancer. I've lots of

learning to work on ourselves, work on how work on our mindset,

other guests on lots of podcasts. So lots of

you know, be able to realise, you know, how much how much we

information. I'm always interactive. So please reach out

to me there. And just remember that shining brightly just a

can put out into the world, especially as women women are

little bit each day for ourselves, for others and for

amazing, you know, we, you know, we we've gone through hell and

our communities does make the world a better place. chinny

back, still going through hell and back and we're still here.

chin, you've been an amazing guest. I wish you all the best.

We're not giving up. We're not taking no for an answer. We're

I will support you and help you just shine your light everywhere

gonna keep moving forward. So just from my reminder, there's a

because it's such an important message. Thank you. Thank you

for being great guest

strong woman in all of us.