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Today, we go back to 1987 for another brilliant dose of John Candy and John Hughes for Thanksgiving classic: Planes, Trains & Automobiles!

I’m happy to be joined by returning guest, Scott Murphy of All ‘90s Action, All The Time! & New Horror Express podcasts. He's also got an upcoming series covering Sam Peckinpah on The Director's Chair Network. Scott is a film podcaster, music reviewer and all round horror/action/metal/comedy/wrestling nerd. You can find him & his work here:

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During holiday travel.

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Some people get delirious.

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Some get delayed, and some get.

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Dell Griffin, American Light

and Fixture, director of Sales

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Shower Curtain Ring Division.

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Neil Page got all three.

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I was on my way home, spent a

nice holiday with my family.

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Instead, I'm in a motel

bed with a stranger.

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So instead of Thanksgiving

with his family, he's spending

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three days with the Turkey.

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Two happy clams just

whistling down the road.

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Wind stones.

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Flint,

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paramount Pictures presents

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Steve Martin Ever been to Hawaii?

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Yeah.

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You see that?

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How?

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While you were there?

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See the second show?

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That's the best one.

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Is that right?

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Yeah.

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John Candy.

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Hallelujah.

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Why are you holding my hand?

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Where's your other hand?

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Between two pillows.

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Those aren't pillows.

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In a new film by John Hughes

Playing Trained and Automobiles.

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See that Bears Game last week?

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Air game game.

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Katie: Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and this is Retro

Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we go back to 1987, a fine year

for another brilliant dose of , John

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Candy and John Hughes for Thanksgiving

Classic Planes, trains, and Automobiles.

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Today I am happy to

welcome back to the show.

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Last season you joined for Black Dog.

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We covered Black Dog with Patrick Swayze.

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Welcome back to the show.

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Scott Murphy.

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How are you doing?

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Scott Murphy: Good.

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Yes.

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Thank you very much for having

me back on the show, Katie.

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Katie: I know you from all

nineties action all the time.

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And I know you had a new horror express

show that was kind of coming to a

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close the last we spoke, but do you

have a new project upcoming as well?

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Scott Murphy: Ah.

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Yes.

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So New Horror Express.

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Ran for about six years,

between:

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It was a horror interview show.

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And yeah, I've got my current project

all nineties action all the time.

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And this is an exclusive for your

podcast 'cause I've not talked about

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this on another podcast and I've

not done the social media page yet,

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so, it'll be coming up very soon.

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I will also be joining you on the

Director's Chair Network with a podcast

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looking at the films of Sam Peck Empire.

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And the podcast is gonna

be called Bloody Sam.

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and Path Fan podcast.

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So

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Katie: I love it.

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Scott Murphy: It won't debut until

December, but the social media

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page, I've got artwork for it now.

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Really cool artwork I commissioned for

someday and then yeah, I'll probably put

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up a Facebook page in the upcoming weeks.

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Yes.

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So,

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Katie: I am very excited about it.

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Hey, y'all heard it first here on

Retro Made New News, new show by Scott.

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That'll be fun.

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If you're listening to this and you

are wondering what the Director's Chair

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network is there is on an entire network,

just search on however you're listening

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to this for a podcast, the Director's

Chair network, and it'll pop up.

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And there are a number of shows

hosted by people like Scott, people

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like me, people like Ryan , all sorts

of different show hosts covering

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different types of directors.

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And if you're wondering why Retro

Made is on that, it's because

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this season is on John Hughes.

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So while he didn't direct all of

the movies that are on this season,

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he did direct a number of them.

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So, the John Hughes season is

included on the Director's Chair

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network, and if you're listening

on the Director's Chair network.

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Come on over to Retro Made.

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We've got other stuff too.

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Check us out.

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Okay.

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Now this season, Scott we

have a different format

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Scott Murphy: Hmm.

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Katie: for the time capsule.

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So shall we open the

time capsule from:

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Scott Murphy: Yeah, let's do

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Katie: I'm gonna spin this on your behalf.

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Scott Murphy: Okay, cool.

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Katie: Ooh, it's on the line here.

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Pages of the past.

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Scott Murphy: I do want

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Katie: Let me find this.

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Scott Murphy: to your listeners,

you know, I grew up in the UK

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and also in 1987 I would be two.

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So if I'm terrible at this game, I'm

just gonna put my excuses in early.

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Katie: Fair point, fair point.

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So this is books and magazines, right?

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Scott Murphy: Right.

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Cool.

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Katie: A lot of times they're super easy.

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So I'll try and give you, here's an easy

one and then I'll give you a harder one.

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Scott Murphy: Okay.

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Katie: In 1987 , this popular

children's magazine featured stories,

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palms and Puzzles, and was known for

its goofs and Gallant comic strip.

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Scott Murphy: In Gall,

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Katie: It was a magazine,

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Scott Murphy: it was a

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Katie: forget the Goofs and Gallant.

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I don't know what that's about.

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Scott Murphy: Okay.

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Katie: Just what's a children's

magazine that you can think of

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In like a dentist office.

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Scott Murphy: well in the uk

the children's magazines would

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be like the Bino and The Dandy

and, and stuff like that.

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I dunno,

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Katie: Highlights.

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Highlights.

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Would you have gotten it?

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Scott Murphy: highlights.

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Is that the name of the

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Katie: Highlights?

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Yeah.

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Is that a, not, not in the

uk, is that just in the us?

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Scott Murphy: one I've

come across in the uk.

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What type of magazine was it?

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Katie: I don't know.

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Just kid stuff.

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Just, you know, just kid stuff.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Kid.

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Like educational.

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I feel like yeah, I, I suppose.

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Okay.

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This one, you might be better at.

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This one.

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Scott Murphy: that's a great

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start.

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Brilliant,

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Katie: That one.

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was a cultural difference.

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Okay.

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This one maybe will be a little easier

in, in this:

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but lonely editor is kidnapped by

his number one fan after a car crash.

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Scott Murphy: Oh, misery.

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Katie: yes.

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Scott Murphy: Stephen King.

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You got that?

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Great.

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Katie: Yep.

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Yep, yep.

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Pretty good.

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I'll give you one that I think

is kind of hard and then we'll

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move on to a different category.

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I don't know.

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This 1987 novel, which won the Pulitzer

Prize for fiction, the following year,

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centers on a story of a formerly enslaved

woman haunted by the ghost of her child.

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Scott Murphy: Wanted by

the ghost of a child.

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Is that beloved?

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The Tony

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Morrison book?

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Katie: It is very good, Scott.

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Very good.

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Yeah, I think you're

doing pretty well here.

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Let's get this wheel back

up and spinner again.

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Back in the headlines.

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So these are big news

stories for 97 or 80 87.

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Scott Murphy: I think I would remember

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Katie: Get it together.

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Scott Murphy: from 97, but

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Katie: okay.

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Even if you're a small child,

sometimes the, they're just like

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out there in the, they're ether.

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In June of 19 87, president Ronald Reagan

gave one of his most famous speeches

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at the Brandenburg Gate in West Berlin.

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What was the iconic phrase he

directed at the Soviet leader?

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Mikhail Gorbachev.

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What did he famously.

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Direct him to do

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Scott Murphy: I feel like I

should know this, but my mind

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is blanking at the moment.

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Katie: The sentiment you'll probably

get, but the exact phrase is, is Mr.

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Gorbachev tear down this wall.

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Scott Murphy: Right.

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Yes.

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No, I have heard that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah,

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yeah,

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: Yeah.

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I, should, I should have got that,

like that's, yeah, fair enough.

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Katie: What major financial event

th,:

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Seeing the Dow Jones Industrial Average

drop more than 22% in a single day.

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What was this in?

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The culture referred to this day?

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Was referred to as

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Dow Jones, dropped more

than 22% in a single day.

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Scott Murphy: Oh, okay.

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Katie: It must have been a Monday.

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Scott Murphy: Right.

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Was it like, because we've

had various kind of like.

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I remember in the uk, I think in

the early nineties, we had Black

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Wednesday, was it like Black Monday or

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something like that?

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Because it's

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Katie: It was Black Monday.

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Yep.

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Scott Murphy: is called black something.

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Katie: Yes.

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Black Monday.

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Black Monday.

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Now this one, I don't know if you'll

get but you might, a plane crash in

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Detroit in August of 87, killed 156

people, but there was one survivor.

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What airline was involved in this tragedy?

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Your hint is that it no longer exists.

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Scott Murphy: It no longer exists.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: pan Am.

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Katie: No.

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Any, any other guesses?

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Scott Murphy: hmm.

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No, that was my, that was my swing.

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That was

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Katie: Good guess.

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Good guess.

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It's Northwest Airlines.

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Scott Murphy: Right.

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Katie: Let's get you one more category.

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You've had some hard ones.

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Scott Murphy: Okay.

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good.

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Come on.

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Room for something good,

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something like that.

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Katie: Primetime, rewind.

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So this is tv.

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I feel like you'll get them.

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They're usually pretty easy.

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Scott Murphy: Okay.

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Katie: Prime time.

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Rewind.

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These are the top rated,

according to Nielsen ratings TV

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shows for the fall 87 88 season.

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Okay.

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Number one, this spinoff of a long

running sitcom followed the adventures

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of Denise Huxtable at a fictional,

historically black university

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becoming an instant smash hit.

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Scott Murphy: Oh, so it's a spinoff.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: Oh God.

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What is the title of that show?

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'cause The Huxtables were the Cosbys.

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was the

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title of that

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: no the, I,

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Katie: Hmm.

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Scott Murphy: I know that there

was Spin, the Cosbys was shown

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in the uk, but I don't remember

any of the spinoffs being shown.

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Katie: Okay.

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Scott Murphy: Is it

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Katie: Give up.

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Scott Murphy: is it

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Katie: I feel like you're close.

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Scott Murphy: it like called

like a different world or

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something, or It's

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Katie: It is.

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It is called a Different World, Scott.

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Scott Murphy: Yes.

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Katie: Very good.

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Popular.

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A, B, C.

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Comedy, which debuted in the fall of 1985

and featured a beloved Family of Five.

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So it was one of the, it was

the second most popular show

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in 87, but it debuted in 85.

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Family of five consistently placed among

the top rated shows for this season.

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It was on A, B, C.

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Scott Murphy: No,

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Katie: but think, think of the

eighties, a family of five.

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Scott Murphy: Five.

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so many

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Katie: This.

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Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: something.

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I'm just gonna guess one of them again.

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A lot of these family ones

didn't seem to, I don't remember

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them being aired in the uk.

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Family Matters.

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Katie: Great.

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maybe a little later.

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Scott Murphy: family.

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Katie: mom, the mom is blonde,

and the dad has dark hair, and

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Scott Murphy: Oh no.

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Katie: it's,

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three kids and it's a

boy, a girl, and a boy.

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Scott Murphy: okay.

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Katie: the, oh.

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they introduce a fourth child.

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Scott Murphy: It sounds familiar.

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Katie: Their last name is Seaver.

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Scott Murphy: no, I'm not getting it.

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Sorry.

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I failed again.

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Katie: Growing Pains.

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Growing Pains.

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Scott Murphy: remember that

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Katie: Did you see that one?

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Scott Murphy: No, and I

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Katie: It's a good one.

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Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: like, I was a big fan of

sitcoms growing up, so if like I knew

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sitcom, be it British or American,

was on, telly I would generally watch

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it, but I, I just don't remember it.

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Maybe it was shown in the UK

and I just wasn't aware of it.

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Katie: Number three, this 87 debut

series featured an undercover police

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unit of young looking officers

who posed as students to bust

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Scott Murphy: this one.

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It's

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Katie: related crime.

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Scott Murphy: Yeah.

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Katie: It's good job.

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know from From the movies?

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Scott Murphy: I, no, I've not really

seen it, but I'm aware from the

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movies and I know that that's kind

of like where Johnny Depp started and

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whatever, or like, it

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: big

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Katie: Yeah.

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Big.

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Yeah.

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Like he came a hearts rob.

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From that.

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You're doing pretty good considering that

a lot of this wasn't shown in the uk.

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Now this sitcom became second highest

rated show of the 87 88 season, aired

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for eight seasons and focused on the

lives of a beloved doctor and his family.

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Scott Murphy: Doctor and his

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family.

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Katie: The wife was a lawyer.

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Scott Murphy: Okay.

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Katie: It was the original show to

which a different world was spun.

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Scott Murphy: Oh, it is the Cosby's.

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Katie: Yeah.

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The Cosby Show.

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Scott Murphy: Cool, I did

wonder, I was like, oh.

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same year, but

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Katie: At the same, yeah.

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Scott Murphy: time.

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Katie: Yep.

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Scott Murphy: but

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: No, and the

Cosby's was shown in the uk.

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I remember

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it was shown on

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Katie: Okay.

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Scott Murphy: four, and

I remember watching it.

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Katie: It was a good show.

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It's kind of too bad.

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Nobody can enjoy that anymore.

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Scott Murphy: that has been

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Katie: yes.

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This one I don't think there's any

problems with, it's an enduring

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workplace sitcom set in a Boston bar

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Scott Murphy: it's

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Katie: known for its witty dialogue.

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Scott Murphy: seen,

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lots of

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Katie: Yeah.

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Scott Murphy: think I've seen every

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Katie: Okay.

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Scott Murphy: Cheers.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Okay, good.

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See, you did pretty good considering.

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That concludes this portion

of the time capsule.

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Everyone join us next time to see

what trivia questions lie ahead.

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All right, Scott, so John Hughes,

what do you think, any thoughts

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that you would like to share?

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Generally speaking, do you grow up

watching his movies or not so much?

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Scott Murphy: No, I definitely

grew up watching his movies.

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So he is kind of been

part of my movie diet for.

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Kind of as long as I can remember.

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I must have seen I think maybe

because like I was born in the mid

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eighties which means I think I kind

of maybe kind of saw his films back

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to front to some of your other guests.

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'cause I

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like was introduced to like his

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: First I would've seen

Uncle Buck when I was like maybe five.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Scott Murphy: Alone movies and I saw,

you know, the movie we're gonna Cover

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and, you know, and great Outdoors and all

those kinda movies at a very young age.

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And I also remember that Home

Alone Two was actually the first

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film I ever saw at the cinema.

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Katie: Really?

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Scott Murphy: that's right.

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I would've been about seven.

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movies like Ferris Bueller and Breakfast

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Club and those types of movies when,

when I was entering my early teens.

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is when I started seeing those movies.

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So I've seen like a lot of his

films and actually, 'cause I've

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been enjoying this season so much.

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I've been watching the ones I

haven't seen as you've covered them.

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So there's the ones like class reunion

and Nate and Hayes and curly Sue and a

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few others that I hadn't seen that I've

that I've watched you know, just after

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you've listened to your episode on them.

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So I have now seen a lot of John

Hughes, according to my letterbox.

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I have seen 24 of his

films that he's written

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and he is my

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Katie: No,

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Scott Murphy: writer on, on, on letterbox.

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So.

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Katie: who's the first?

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Scott Murphy: We don't talk about him.

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Katie: Okay.

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Scott Murphy: he's, he's

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Katie: Okay.

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Scott Murphy: he, he is a Bess Jewish

man who is, who's not generally

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talked about so much these days.

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Katie: Ah, got it, got it.

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I know.

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First of all.

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I too have been surprised at the

number of movies that I was like, oh,

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John Hughes had a hand in that, huh?

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Scott Murphy: Hmm.

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Katie: Because I had older siblings.

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I watched the teen ones when I was

a small child, and then also, kind

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of at the same time that the kid

Fair was coming out in the nineties.

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So, I feel like you had the better, more

appropriate experience when you were kid.

471

:

You were watching the kid Fair,

and then when you were a teenager,

472

:

you were watching the teenage

stuff, so that makes sense.

473

:

All right.

474

:

Shall we get into planes,

trains, and automobiles?

475

:

Scott Murphy: Absolutely.

476

:

Mm-hmm.

477

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Katie: It came out just

in time for Thanksgiving.

478

:

No, November 25th, 1987.

479

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It's rated R, which I'm, I'm

glad that it is, but I think

480

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it's only because of the F-bombs.

481

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And I read interestingly, listeners

are dearest here, lives in New Zealand,

482

:

and I read that in New Zealand.

483

:

It had a PG rating.

484

:

Only I guess they're just,

they're more forgiving there.

485

:

Scott Murphy: It might, it must be.

486

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Yeah, no, it's, it's funny 'cause

until I kinda looked into it, I wasn't

487

:

aware of that either because I mean,

obviously I was born and raised in

488

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Scotland, but, and I, I'm a recent

New Zealand transplant you know, I,

489

:

just immigrated here four years ago.

490

:

So, but Yes.

491

:

I also read that and also, so it was

quite amused because yes, it does seem

492

:

like, it was that scene alone that

got it, the r rating in the states.

493

:

'cause he drops 18 F-bombs

in a minute which is

494

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

495

:

It's, it is, and invalid.

496

:

I would've been in the same headspace

497

:

as he was in that particular scene.

498

:

Yeah, for sure.

499

:

So this has a 7.6

500

:

on IMDB, which is really high.

501

:

I think it's beloved.

502

:

There aren't that many Thanksgiving

movies, but this is one I

503

:

think a lot of people cherish.

504

:

It is written and directed by John Hughes.

505

:

This is one where he did both.

506

:

And I did read the frequent

John Hughes collaborator.

507

:

Howard Deutsch was the original

director for this movie.

508

:

However, after Steve Martin agreed

to play, Neil Hughes decided that he

509

:

wanted to direct the movie himself

in addition to writing and producing.

510

:

Eventually, he and Deutsche

switched places on two films.

511

:

Hughes originally was set to direct

the Great Outdoors, which opened

512

:

seven months after this movie.

513

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But when Hughes was unavailable

to direct that movie, which he

514

:

also wrote and produced, he gave

Deutsche that directing job.

515

:

, And this is a lot of lore with John

Hughes that he writes things very quickly.

516

:

Purportedly he wrote this one in first

draft in three days, and that his average

517

:

writing time for script in those days

was about three to five days, but then

518

:

it came with 20 something rewrites.

519

:

Scott Murphy: Right.

520

:

Katie: I, yeah, but

521

:

Scott Murphy: Fair.

522

:

Katie: I dunno what the, what the rush is.

523

:

But in an interview,

524

:

Scott Murphy: sure.

525

:

Katie: John Hughes says that

the, those aren't pillows.

526

:

He said he was inspired to write the

film story after an actual flight that

527

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he was on from New York to Chicago,

and it was diverted to Wichita

528

:

taking him five days to get home.

529

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So it's based in a true

actual life happening.

530

:

Scott Murphy: Yes.

531

:

Inspired by true events probably

532

:

Katie: Mm.

533

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Scott Murphy: by true events than

some movies that have inspired by

534

:

true events at the start of the

535

:

film.

536

:

Katie: Yeah, indeed.

537

:

That's, yes.

538

:

Agreed.

539

:

So you guys, I'm sure, so this is gonna

be your Thanksgiving episode we had two,

540

:

Dutch was also a Thanksgiving episode.

541

:

But if it's been a minute since you have

seen this, this, it is the story of Neil

542

:

Page, an uptight marketing exec with Dell

Griffith, a well-meaning but annoying

543

:

salesman who become travel companions when

their flight is diverted and embark on a

544

:

three-day odyssey of missed adventures,

trying to reach Chicago in time for Neil's

545

:

Thanksgiving Day dinner with his family.

546

:

That's that.

547

:

We have Steve Martin playing Neil Paige

and John Candy playing Dell Griffith.

548

:

What do you think of our stars here?

549

:

Scott Murphy: Oh, I, I love

both John Kand and Steve Martin.

550

:

I have been a big fan of them

both from a very early age.

551

:

As I mentioned, I first saw

Uncle Buck when I was five,

552

:

and that

553

:

Katie: So good.

554

:

Scott Murphy: immediately,

fell in love with John Kand.

555

:

That was amazing.

556

:

And also around a similar time at a

very early age, I saw the three Amigos

557

:

and I totally

558

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

559

:

Scott Murphy: with Steve Martin.

560

:

So I, I have always been from.

561

:

A very young age, a big

fan of both of these guys.

562

:

Katie: Nice, nice.

563

:

So have you, is this a, a regular,

like annual movie watch for you?

564

:

Or what, what's your history with the

movie or why'd you choose this one?

565

:

Mm-hmm.

566

:

Scott Murphy: an annual, it's not annual

but it's a movie that I've seen a bunch.

567

:

I have seen it quite a few times, taught

a number of times as a kid and, and

568

:

also, and yeah, so I don't know how many

times I've seen this movie, but I would

569

:

estimate it would be in double figures.

570

:

For sure.

571

:

Katie: Okay,

572

:

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

573

:

Yeah, yeah,

574

:

Katie: Let's talk about who

some of our players are.

575

:

Neil's wife, Susan is played by

Layla Robbins, she has a very

576

:

specific look about her, but she

didn't look for familiar to me.

577

:

She's been in a, a number of things.

578

:

Did she pop out to you

as anyone, you know?

579

:

Scott Murphy: It took me a while.

580

:

'cause rewatching it this time

I was like, I recognize her

581

:

face and I don't

582

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

583

:

Scott Murphy: I recognize her face.

584

:

But the thing that watching it this

time, the thing that came back to me

585

:

was I realized, 'cause I, I was like,

oh, she's got a very young face there.

586

:

And I was I was picturing her older.

587

:

And

588

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

589

:

Scott Murphy: came back to me because I'm

into like kinda comic books and stuff.

590

:

There's a TV show based on

the comic books, the boys.

591

:

And she is in that, she plays

592

:

a character

593

:

Katie: Oh,

594

:

Scott Murphy: that show.

595

:

she's not one of the main

characters, but she's a regular

596

:

it.

597

:

And she

598

:

Katie: okay.

599

:

Scott Murphy: of in and out of the show.

600

:

And I was like, that's, that's what I,

I'm sure I've seen her in other stuff as

601

:

well.

602

:

But that's

603

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

604

:

Scott Murphy: That's why

I was seeing her as older.

605

:

And

606

:

because that's a more

607

:

Katie: Yeah.

608

:

Yeah,

609

:

Scott Murphy: couple years.

610

:

Katie: sure.

611

:

Good eye.

612

:

Good eye.

613

:

She is also in an innocent man.

614

:

True Crime.

615

:

That's a movie.

616

:

And then a number of series, TV series

murder in the first that the series, not

617

:

the movie Homeland, the series Homeland,

618

:

Scott Murphy: in that as well.

619

:

Katie: yeah.

620

:

Scott Murphy: her from that as well.

621

:

I

622

:

can picture a character

623

:

Katie: I can't quite

picture who she, I can't.

624

:

Also, Gabriel's Fire, and then

she played young Olivia Soprano

625

:

in two episodes of The Sopranos.

626

:

Scott Murphy: Oh,

627

:

now I don't remember

628

:

Katie: The young version of her.

629

:

Yeah,

630

:

Scott Murphy: right.

631

:

Katie: that's Layla Robbins.

632

:

And then we have Michael

McKean who is there.

633

:

So we will kind of talk about,

there was a much longer cut of

634

:

this movie than what we have.

635

:

So originally Michael McKean, who

plays the state trooper, had a much

636

:

larger role than what he actually has

for being like billed so, so early.

637

:

So you know a lot of those Christopher

Guest movies, A Mighty Wind,

638

:

this is Spinal Tap and then Clue.

639

:

And probably most recently I know

him from playing Saul's older

640

:

brother in Better Call Saul.

641

:

Scott Murphy: Right.

642

:

Right.

643

:

Katie: Can't remember his name as that.

644

:

And then he was famously Lenny

in, that was before our time.

645

:

But Lenny and Laverne and Shirley.

646

:

Scott Murphy: Ah.

647

:

Katie: TV series

648

:

Scott Murphy: I

649

:

Katie: that was like,

650

:

Scott Murphy: Christopher Guest

651

:

movies, the Christopher

652

:

Katie: yeah.

653

:

Scott Murphy: he's collaborated with,

you know, 'cause like this is Spinal

654

:

Taps, one of my favorite comedies.

655

:

And also yeah, he, he is

great in Clue as well.

656

:

That's, that's also a

657

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

658

:

Scott Murphy: film that

people have not checked out.

659

:

They definitely should.

660

:

Katie: Clue is good.

661

:

I need to squeeze that into a a season.

662

:

I'll figure a way out.

663

:

But you guys, we talked about

Michael McCann last season.

664

:

He was in used cars with Kurt Russell.

665

:

And he plays a very similar

character to his Lenny persona.

666

:

Both.

667

:

So the guy who played Squigy in

Lenny, they were in it together.

668

:

So that was just kind of like a fun

wink for the audience to have Lenny

669

:

and Squigy in that, because that was

in:

670

:

have all seen Laverne and Shirley.

671

:

So anyway, Michael McKean.

672

:

Then we have Dylan Baker,

who plays Owen Moody.

673

:

He's the guy who lets Neil and

Dell ride in the, his pickup,

674

:

the bed of his pickup truck.

675

:

Pickup truck.

676

:

God, why can't I say that?

677

:

He's a super familiar face to me.

678

:

What do you know him from?

679

:

Or did you?

680

:

Scott Murphy: Like I mentioned

with the comic book thing he is

681

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

682

:

Scott Murphy: two and three as

683

:

Dr.

684

:

Kurt Corners, AKA lizard man.

685

:

So I know him from

686

:

that.

687

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

688

:

Scott Murphy: I also know

him from he, he plays.

689

:

He plays a very sinister character in,

in a very, very dark, very bleak comedy

690

:

called happiness, which is something

that I don't generally recommend to

691

:

people because like you need to have

a specific sense of humor to, to,

692

:

to

693

:

Katie: This sounds familiar.

694

:

Scott Murphy: but yeah,

happiness is a deeply fucked up

695

:

film, but it, it's also great.

696

:

And, and

697

:

Katie: Yeah, it sounds familiar.

698

:

Scott Murphy: things that

699

:

Katie: Okay.

700

:

Scott Murphy: when I think of Dylan Baker.

701

:

Katie: Yeah.

702

:

Well, God, why, I'm gonna

have to check that out again.

703

:

It sounds very familiar.

704

:

He actually was nominated for an

Emmy for his role in The Good Wife.

705

:

I hear a lot of good things about

that series, and I don't watch it,

706

:

so I can't think just off the top

of my head, who he plays in that

707

:

he played J Edgar Hoover in Selma.

708

:

He was also in Homeland.

709

:

The series, just like Leila, Robbins

was, he was in The Americans.

710

:

And there was a TV series called Murder

One that he had a, like a long running,

711

:

Scott Murphy: Oh

712

:

Katie: Recurring role.

713

:

Scott Murphy: remember that show.

714

:

Katie: And then the

daughter, Olivia Burnett.

715

:

The reason I bring her up,

716

:

the character's name is Marty.

717

:

I don't think we ever know that, but

that's Neil and Susan's daughter.

718

:

She's was in the Torkelson

TV series on Disney.

719

:

And then I just thought this was

interesting 'cause I can't place her.

720

:

She plays a homeless woman in

10 episodes of Sons of Anarchy.

721

:

Scott Murphy: She does.

722

:

Oh,

723

:

Katie: Did, did you?

724

:

Yeah.

725

:

Like I can't, I can't.

726

:

Scott Murphy: every episode

727

:

of Son of Anarchy.

728

:

I've

729

:

Katie: Me too, but

730

:

Scott Murphy: I, I, yeah,

731

:

Katie: doesn't have a name.

732

:

She's a homeless woman in 10 episodes,

so I can't rem I mean, it's been a

733

:

while since I've seen it, but anyway.

734

:

That's Olivia Burnett.

735

:

Scott Murphy: The suns of Archy.

736

:

Yeah.

737

:

So,

738

:

Yeah.

739

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

740

:

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

741

:

If

742

:

I, next time I

743

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

744

:

Scott Murphy: box, it, I'll

have to look out for that.

745

:

Katie: Yeah.

746

:

Be like, oh, that's the girl, the

daughter that we see for five seconds.

747

:

We get a crazy cab driver who has a

hydraulics car like a low rider car.

748

:

The character's name is Doobie

749

:

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

750

:

Katie: and he was played by Larry Hankin.

751

:

Do you know Larry Hankin from anything?

752

:

Scott Murphy: but I can't picture also,

we should point out I don't know how pe

753

:

comfortable people would feel in that camp

because it's entirely decorated with porn.

754

:

Katie: It's a,

755

:

yeah.

756

:

What do they say?

757

:

He's like, are we about there yet?

758

:

And he is like, oh, I thought

you'd, wanna take the back roads.

759

:

'cause if you're on the interstate,

all you see is the interstate.

760

:

And Dell was like, this

guy's proud of his town.

761

:

Yeah, it's, it was an

interesting vehicle for sure.

762

:

Scott Murphy: interesting.

763

:

Katie: Uhhuh.

764

:

But he apparently was in a short film

that he was nominated for an Oscar

765

:

for called Sully's Diner in 1980.

766

:

Solid working actor.

767

:

But anybody who has ever seen friends,

the TV show friends, he is Mr.

768

:

Heckles.

769

:

That's who Larry Hankin is.

770

:

The upstairs neighbor.

771

:

Scott Murphy: where I

772

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

773

:

Scott Murphy: from.

774

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

775

:

Katie: The upstairs neighbor.

776

:

Scott Murphy: Of

777

:

Katie: Yes.

778

:

Now Neil Page Jr.

779

:

The, again, the only reason I bring

him up is because of who played him.

780

:

Matthew Lawrence, who is, that's Joey's

younger Joey Lawrence from the nineties.

781

:

That's his younger brother, and

he played Jack on Boy Mates World.

782

:

He was also the one of the kids on Mrs.

783

:

Doubtfire.

784

:

And then there was apparently a

whole series around these Lawrence

785

:

brothers called Brotherly Love.

786

:

And did you ever, have you

ever heard of the show?

787

:

Gimme a Break with Nell Carter

from the early eighties?

788

:

You may have not.

789

:

It was kind of even, it was

early for me to even watch.

790

:

Scott Murphy: I, I

791

:

Katie: And I'm older than you.

792

:

Scott Murphy: shows you mentioned there a

minute ago I watched, I remember watching

793

:

Boy Meets World and stuff like that, but

no, I, I've, no, I've not come across the,

794

:

that one, no.

795

:

Katie: Well,

796

:

that it doesn't surprise me, but

it's, it was like an early eighties

797

:

show and I loved it for some reason.

798

:

Nell Carter and she like

takes care of these.

799

:

So she is like a, I don't even know

if she's like their housekeeper, but

800

:

she basically, she's a black woman,

a large black woman who cares for

801

:

the children of the police captain

or something and they're white.

802

:

That was like a very much a thing in

the eighties, that kind of a dynamic.

803

:

When the kids started to get too old to be

interesting, they'd introduce a new kid.

804

:

Scott Murphy: Yes.

805

:

Katie: His brother Joey Was the new

kid that was introduced to that show.

806

:

Scott Murphy: I

807

:

see.

808

:

Katie: And I think his name was even

Matthew in it, so he was the new

809

:

kid introduced in Gimme A Break.

810

:

Who's seen?

811

:

Gimme a Break.

812

:

I really liked that show.

813

:

And then the reason that I

wanted to bring up carol Bruce.

814

:

This was her final feature film

for Carol Bruce playing Neil's mom.

815

:

And she was Lillian on WKRP in

Cincinnati and she has movies

816

:

going back to the forties,

817

:

Scott Murphy: Oh,

818

:

Katie: With this woman is mine.

819

:

So there's some old people in this

Georgia, Petri plays Neil's father.

820

:

He's kind of familiar.

821

:

He was in Baby Boom with the

late great Diane Caton now.

822

:

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

823

:

Katie: Yeah.

824

:

Recurring role as the elevator

operator in Mad about you.

825

:

Lots of TV stuff going back

to the forties as well.

826

:

Walt is Susan's father

played by Richard Herd.

827

:

And then Peg Susan's mother is

played by Diana Dill or she also,

828

:

it's is known as Diana Douglas.

829

:

I think Dill is her maiden name.

830

:

The reason I wanna bring her up is

because she is Michael Douglas's mother.

831

:

Scott Murphy: Oh,

832

:

cool.

833

:

Katie: Yeah,

834

:

Scott Murphy: And then what?

835

:

Katie: she was, she was at one

time married to Kirk Douglas.

836

:

She was born in Bermuda,

which I did not know.

837

:

Scott Murphy: Hmm.

838

:

Katie: And she was in 834.

839

:

Episodes of Love is a many

splendor thing, playing a character

840

:

named Lily from 1970 to 73.

841

:

Scott Murphy: Jesus.

842

:

I

843

:

guess that

844

:

Katie: Yeah.

845

:

Scott Murphy: a

846

:

Katie: Yeah.

847

:

Scott Murphy: soap or something,

848

:

I guess.

849

:

Katie: Must have been 380 episodes

is Mary Claire Pogo and Three

850

:

Steps to Heaven from 1950 to 54.

851

:

So these are some like old tiny actors,

852

:

just finishing out the cast,

we have Kevin Bacon in this.

853

:

Did you see him at the

beginning of the movie?

854

:

Scott Murphy: Indeed.

855

:

Well, with the taxi race.

856

:

At the beginning, yeah.

857

:

Katie: And there's a John Hughes

connection because Kevin Bacon was in

858

:

a John Hughes directed and wrote she's

having a baby in:

859

:

and when Neil calls his wife at some point

that movie is playing in the background.

860

:

So it came out later, but they had

already had footage of it to be the

861

:

movie playing in the background.

862

:

That was interesting.

863

:

We have three people in this movie

that were also in Fair Speer's Day Off.

864

:

Do you know the three Scott

865

:

Scott Murphy: Do I know the

three Ferris BU's Day off?

866

:

Well, I mean Ed

867

:

McClure's in

868

:

Katie: Edie mcc?

869

:

Scott Murphy: them.

870

:

So

871

:

it's got Ed McClure's

872

:

Katie: Yep.

873

:

Scott Murphy: one,

874

:

right?

875

:

Katie: Yes.

876

:

Ededie McClure.

877

:

She's the car rental agent

that tells him to fuck off.

878

:

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

879

:

Katie: Or you're fucked.

880

:

No, she says you're fucked

881

:

after the fuck Fucky.

882

:

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

883

:

yeah,

884

:

Scott Murphy: yeah.

885

:

After, after all that.

886

:

Katie: Buer Bueller,

the guy who does that.

887

:

Scott Murphy: oh, okay.

888

:

Yeah.

889

:

Katie: Ben Stein

890

:

Scott Murphy: Right.

891

:

Katie: is, that's who that is.

892

:

Ben Stein.

893

:

He's I think when they're in the

Wichita airport, he's, I don't know,

894

:

on the loudspeaker or something.

895

:

Scott Murphy: Oh,

896

:

Katie: And then In an unc.

897

:

Scott Murphy: The, guy

898

:

Katie: Yeah.

899

:

Scott Murphy: announces

the flight is canceled.

900

:

Katie: Yeah, yeah.

901

:

yeah.

902

:

Scott Murphy: conversation

903

:

of like

904

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

905

:

Mm-hmm.

906

:

Scott Murphy: have more luck doing

pickup sticks with your butt cheeks.

907

:

So just after that conversation.

908

:

Yeah,

909

:

Katie: Good memory.

910

:

Good.

911

:

And then Lyman Ward,

who played Ferris's dad?

912

:

Scott Murphy: yeah.

913

:

Katie: that's the, the actor.

914

:

I don't know if he was in the credits

or not, but he was the other, at the

915

:

beginning when their, like pitching

their ads to their client in New York

916

:

and he's really indecisive the guy.

917

:

So it's Neil, Steve Martin and the other

guy at In the Boardroom that's Lyman Ward.

918

:

Scott Murphy: Line Moore the

919

:

guy who says you'll

920

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

921

:

Scott Murphy: Yep.

922

:

Yep, Yep.

923

:

Katie: Yeah, why don't you go with me.

924

:

I got the eight o'clock.

925

:

You're never gonna, you'll never make it.

926

:

Yep.

927

:

That guy, yes.

928

:

The three people from from Ferris Bueller,

John Hughes definitely has his people.

929

:

The music in this is a frequent Hughes

collaborator with Ira Newborn, also did

930

:

16 candles, weird science, Ferris Bueller,

uncle Buck, and then non Hughes movies.

931

:

He mall rats, ACE Ventura, et cetera.

932

:

So he is very well known.

933

:

Do you have any thoughts in particular

about how the music was done?

934

:

Scott Murphy: yeah.

935

:

I mean, I, I like the music in this movie.

936

:

I, I think just everything about

this movie is just like, I know

937

:

it's technically I know it's a

Thanksgiving movie, not a Christmas

938

:

movie, but it kind of falls into

that in terms of its messaging

939

:

and stuff like that.

940

:

It, it

941

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

942

:

Scott Murphy: into that Christmas

movie kind of wheelhouse.

943

:

And I, I think like the, the

music perfectly fits that kind

944

:

of holiday spirit vibe as well.

945

:

You know, I think pretty much

everything about this movie is,

946

:

is pretty on point, I would say.

947

:

Katie: That's a I that's fair.

948

:

And it wasn't like a

big smash or anything.

949

:

It was made for 15 million and

made just shy of 50 million.

950

:

So that's good.

951

:

But it wasn't like some big blowout

movie, but I think it's developed a

952

:

really strong following, even after, and

John Candy was nominated for funniest

953

:

actor in a leading role at, I don't

know if these awards still exist,

954

:

but at the time, there was a such a

thing as the American Comedy Awards.

955

:

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

956

:

Katie: Scott, do you, when you're

traveling, I mean clearly the

957

:

movies like this are purpose,

it's polar opposite type people.

958

:

We have somebody like Neil, and

then we have somebody like, dell.

959

:

Dell is a hard name for me to remember

'cause I've never met a Dell in real life.

960

:

Scott Murphy: Right.

961

:

Katie: So there's uptight and

cranky, or chatty and chaotic.

962

:

, Which are you when traveling.

963

:

Scott Murphy: Oh.

964

:

So, yeah, I'm definitely, I'm

definitely uptight and cranky.

965

:

And,

966

:

Katie: Okay.

967

:

Scott Murphy: 'cause there's a lot of,

yeah, there's just a lot, lot of things

968

:

to think about and, and also much like

Neil's character who might be undiagnosed.

969

:

I also have, also ha I have OCD,

970

:

so,

971

:

Katie: Okay.

972

:

Scott Murphy: is a, traveling

can often be quite stressful.

973

:

Katie: This is true, especially

for a person with OCD.

974

:

Scott Murphy: Mm.

975

:

Katie: Definitely.

976

:

Definitely.

977

:

Well, speaking of can you imagine if

you're sitting next to someone in a

978

:

plane and they start taking their,

not only their shoes off, but their

979

:

socks and like waving them around,

980

:

Scott Murphy: That would

cause me all sorts of anxiety.

981

:

I just,

982

:

Katie: Would you say

anything to the person?

983

:

Scott Murphy: don't, I'm, I am

genuinely confrontation averse.

984

:

So, I, I, like there's a fair to

even, even to fair chance that I

985

:

would just be, you know, curled up,

stewing in my own jus kind of thing

986

:

rather than than making a fuss.

987

:

Katie: You're like, I, you just wait, who?

988

:

I'm gonna tell about this afterwards.

989

:

Yeah.

990

:

Scott Murphy: I'll

991

:

Katie: yeah,

992

:

Scott Murphy: be, I'll just

be like, this is a story.

993

:

This is,

994

:

Katie: Uhhuh

995

:

Scott Murphy: yeah.

996

:

Katie: What's the closest like.

997

:

Disaster type travel experience

that you've had, have, has anything

998

:

come close to a planes, trains,

and automobiles type excursion?

999

:

Scott Murphy: disaster was, the,

basically one of the biggest disasters

:

00:36:38,223 --> 00:36:44,423

I've had traveling well, there's been

a few I guess, but the, when we when we

:

00:36:44,423 --> 00:36:49,583

coming over to New Zealand in:

which was, you know, still during the

:

00:36:49,583 --> 00:36:50,603

pandemic and all that,

:

00:36:50,943 --> 00:36:51,363

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:36:51,773 --> 00:36:56,663

Scott Murphy: We flew over and

we had a a layover in Malaysia.

:

00:36:57,083 --> 00:36:59,883

And it wasn't like, we

didn't disembark the plane.

:

00:36:59,883 --> 00:37:02,463

It was like just basically

a re refueling stop.

:

00:37:02,563 --> 00:37:05,768

And my partner at the

time was, travel sick.

:

00:37:05,768 --> 00:37:06,848

She was being travel sick.

:

00:37:06,908 --> 00:37:07,818

And they

:

00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:08,393

Katie: Oh, no.

:

00:37:08,448 --> 00:37:09,978

Scott Murphy: a pill for

like travel sickness.

:

00:37:10,248 --> 00:37:13,698

And then they became convinced

that she had COVID or whatever.

:

00:37:13,918 --> 00:37:15,868

And they, they were like, no,

no, no, she's just throwing up.

:

00:37:15,898 --> 00:37:17,723

'cause she's it's, it's

just the motion sickness.

:

00:37:17,723 --> 00:37:18,383

It's just the motion sick.

:

00:37:18,623 --> 00:37:23,073

And we pleaded to get on the plane

we're like, we're like, no, no, no.

:

00:37:23,073 --> 00:37:24,003

Don't kick us off the plane.

:

00:37:24,003 --> 00:37:24,543

It's fine.

:

00:37:24,603 --> 00:37:25,593

She's just travel sick.

:

00:37:25,653 --> 00:37:28,083

And they, but they were like, oh

no, the captain's not sure about

:

00:37:28,083 --> 00:37:29,103

safety and da dah dah, dah da.

:

00:37:29,943 --> 00:37:31,503

they basically kicked us off the plane.

:

00:37:32,243 --> 00:37:32,843

And then,

:

00:37:33,088 --> 00:37:34,988

Katie: Even though you've

been sitting there, if even

:

00:37:35,063 --> 00:37:35,423

Scott Murphy: yeah.

:

00:37:35,423 --> 00:37:35,573

We,

:

00:37:35,618 --> 00:37:37,568

Katie: would've already gotten

everybody, you know what I mean?

:

00:37:37,568 --> 00:37:38,918

Scott Murphy: Didn't,

she didn't have co COVID.

:

00:37:38,948 --> 00:37:40,268

She genuinely just travel sick.

:

00:37:40,508 --> 00:37:44,218

So we got kicked off the plane and

a lot of pleading and we were like,

:

00:37:44,218 --> 00:37:45,658

oh my God, what are we gonna do?

:

00:37:46,048 --> 00:37:50,638

And then basically, because

I had like a partner visa.

:

00:37:51,463 --> 00:37:57,673

had to enter New Zealand on a

certain date like my, my visa would

:

00:37:57,673 --> 00:37:59,953

be like, it would just like expire.

:

00:38:00,343 --> 00:38:01,033

So like

:

00:38:01,423 --> 00:38:02,233

Katie: oh no.

:

00:38:02,443 --> 00:38:05,293

Scott Murphy: we spent

two days in a hotel.

:

00:38:06,563 --> 00:38:07,733

In Kuala Lumpur airport.

:

00:38:08,183 --> 00:38:13,673

And it was just a, a variety of furious

phone calls, one on one hand because

:

00:38:13,723 --> 00:38:15,343

like I say, it was just a refueling stop.

:

00:38:15,343 --> 00:38:17,533

It's not a regular stop on their flight.

:

00:38:17,683 --> 00:38:20,113

So we had to phone Emirates and be like,

:

00:38:20,328 --> 00:38:20,548

Katie: oh,

:

00:38:20,713 --> 00:38:21,193

Scott Murphy: can you

:

00:38:21,353 --> 00:38:21,868

Katie: oh, no.

:

00:38:22,763 --> 00:38:25,523

Scott Murphy: You know, and, and so we

had a variety of back and forth calls

:

00:38:25,523 --> 00:38:30,353

to Emirates and also we had to phone

the New Zealand embassy and be like,

:

00:38:30,413 --> 00:38:35,093

please, please, please, can I get an

extension on my visa to enter the country?

:

00:38:35,093 --> 00:38:37,433

Can we be extended by a couple of days?

:

00:38:37,643 --> 00:38:40,683

Because it was going to lapse

and , basically I wouldn't

:

00:38:40,683 --> 00:38:41,823

be allowed into the country.

:

00:38:41,833 --> 00:38:42,043

You

:

00:38:42,043 --> 00:38:42,253

know,

:

00:38:42,303 --> 00:38:42,723

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:38:42,818 --> 00:38:46,718

Scott Murphy: like the partner visa

thing wasn't going to, you know, kick in.

:

00:38:47,028 --> 00:38:47,448

So.

:

00:38:48,178 --> 00:38:51,448

You know, I am here in New Zealand,

so obviously it does have a happy

:

00:38:51,448 --> 00:38:52,588

ending, but it was a

:

00:38:52,623 --> 00:38:52,913

Katie: Whew.

:

00:38:52,948 --> 00:38:53,758

Scott Murphy: stressful

:

00:38:53,878 --> 00:38:54,718

two days

:

00:38:54,808 --> 00:38:55,528

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:38:55,588 --> 00:38:55,928

Scott Murphy: in, in

:

00:38:55,978 --> 00:38:56,028

Katie: Oh my God.

:

00:38:56,038 --> 00:38:57,868

Scott Murphy: airport hotel in Qu Park.

:

00:38:58,993 --> 00:38:59,953

Katie: Oh my God.

:

00:39:00,883 --> 00:39:05,713

And just all the things having to

line up just so to, to, to work out.

:

00:39:05,743 --> 00:39:06,223

Yeah.

:

00:39:06,238 --> 00:39:06,538

Scott Murphy: yeah,

:

00:39:06,703 --> 00:39:07,213

Katie: Wow.

:

00:39:07,843 --> 00:39:11,083

I got stuck for an extra

week during COVID in Ecuador

:

00:39:11,178 --> 00:39:11,598

Yeah.

:

00:39:11,898 --> 00:39:13,338

And like test every day.

:

00:39:13,558 --> 00:39:17,148

And we weren't sick, like we didn't

know we had, but in order to come back,

:

00:39:17,148 --> 00:39:20,868

we had to take a test to come back

and my friend and I were positive and

:

00:39:20,958 --> 00:39:22,308

so we couldn't come back to America.

:

00:39:22,428 --> 00:39:25,428

And so we were like, okay, well we

gotta stay and then you can't go.

:

00:39:25,428 --> 00:39:27,413

It's not like we could have

done cool things in Ecuador.

:

00:39:27,413 --> 00:39:29,288

We just had to stay in

the hotel the whole time.

:

00:39:29,393 --> 00:39:29,873

Scott Murphy: yeah.

:

00:39:29,988 --> 00:39:35,038

Katie: We binge breaking bad on

Netflix for a week and we paid for

:

00:39:35,038 --> 00:39:38,308

a nurse to come to our room and give

us a test every day and just hope.

:

00:39:38,608 --> 00:39:41,158

And finally after a week we,

it was negative and then we

:

00:39:41,158 --> 00:39:42,598

had to rebook our flights home.

:

00:39:42,598 --> 00:39:46,718

So that was probably the closest

thing that I've come to a

:

00:39:46,718 --> 00:39:48,008

plane's trance and automobiles.

:

00:39:48,713 --> 00:39:49,163

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

:

00:39:49,463 --> 00:39:50,693

Katie: extra week in Ecuador.

:

00:39:50,693 --> 00:39:53,393

Scott Murphy: I guess the, I guess

that, that, that reminds me, the final

:

00:39:53,393 --> 00:39:56,843

part of my story is like when we were

coming into New Zealand, that's when

:

00:39:56,843 --> 00:39:59,793

they were still doing quarantining.

:

00:39:59,973 --> 00:40:00,843

So basically you

:

00:40:00,993 --> 00:40:01,263

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:40:01,623 --> 00:40:05,523

Scott Murphy: You arrived here and then

you had to spend two weeks in a hotel.

:

00:40:05,943 --> 00:40:06,423

Like

:

00:40:06,513 --> 00:40:07,293

quarantining,

:

00:40:07,428 --> 00:40:07,648

Katie: Ugh.

:

00:40:07,663 --> 00:40:09,463

Scott Murphy: Before you

were let out into the world.

:

00:40:09,763 --> 00:40:13,983

And yeah, that was an experience of having

a Fortnite just being kind of mainly

:

00:40:14,103 --> 00:40:18,053

locked in your room, apart from when

occasionally you were allowed to leave

:

00:40:18,063 --> 00:40:23,733

your room you had a 30 minute walk that

you were allowed once every second day.

:

00:40:23,883 --> 00:40:24,783

That was in, in a

:

00:40:24,783 --> 00:40:25,953

kind of ups it was

:

00:40:26,018 --> 00:40:26,438

Katie: Oh, really?

:

00:40:26,643 --> 00:40:28,743

Scott Murphy: a, car park

that was part of the hotel.

:

00:40:28,923 --> 00:40:29,763

And you had to just walk

:

00:40:29,848 --> 00:40:30,268

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:40:30,703 --> 00:40:34,253

Scott Murphy: 'Cause you had to, you, you

had to walk in designated a designated,

:

00:40:34,283 --> 00:40:34,913

Katie: Sure.

:

00:40:34,973 --> 00:40:36,623

Scott Murphy: like in a

prison yard, in a circle.

:

00:40:36,743 --> 00:40:40,763

And like literally, literally this

would be over and you weren't allowed

:

00:40:40,763 --> 00:40:42,053

to run, you were only allowed to

:

00:40:42,053 --> 00:40:42,443

walk.

:

00:40:42,683 --> 00:40:43,313

And this would

:

00:40:43,388 --> 00:40:44,138

Katie: Oh wow,

:

00:40:44,333 --> 00:40:47,033

Scott Murphy: by a member of

the New Zealand Defense Force,

:

00:40:47,033 --> 00:40:48,053

like a, like an army

:

00:40:48,218 --> 00:40:48,458

Katie: dude.

:

00:40:48,458 --> 00:40:49,508

You were like in prison?

:

00:40:49,508 --> 00:40:50,348

Yeah.

:

00:40:50,633 --> 00:40:53,213

Scott Murphy: and yeah, and that was

like, it was like two weeks in that,

:

00:40:53,213 --> 00:40:56,623

and the only other time you rolled out

your room is like when you were, getting

:

00:40:56,623 --> 00:40:57,583

, your COVID test to make

:

00:40:57,628 --> 00:40:58,978

Katie: Mm mm-hmm.

:

00:40:59,023 --> 00:40:59,853

Scott Murphy: were yeah.

:

00:40:59,883 --> 00:41:01,473

To make sure you were COVID free.

:

00:41:01,563 --> 00:41:02,383

And and then

:

00:41:02,488 --> 00:41:03,388

Katie: Wild times.

:

00:41:03,523 --> 00:41:05,713

Scott Murphy: released into the

world and came down to Wellington.

:

00:41:08,053 --> 00:41:08,788

Katie: Oh my gosh.

:

00:41:09,088 --> 00:41:10,438

What a, wow.

:

00:41:10,498 --> 00:41:10,978

Wow.

:

00:41:11,008 --> 00:41:15,028

You had to really like each other to

be forced together 24 7 for two weeks.

:

00:41:15,223 --> 00:41:15,523

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

:

00:41:15,528 --> 00:41:17,098

We, we, we, we did All right.

:

00:41:19,828 --> 00:41:23,098

Katie: Well, so speaking of things

happening now, how do you think this

:

00:41:23,198 --> 00:41:28,638

as with a lot of these comedies like

this, I wonder, would it work if

:

00:41:28,638 --> 00:41:32,058

there were Uber or smartphones today?

:

00:41:32,538 --> 00:41:32,668

You know.

:

00:41:32,913 --> 00:41:35,523

Scott Murphy: it wouldn't

work in the same, no, no.

:

00:41:35,528 --> 00:41:39,963

With, with, with you know, Uber and

the various different other Uber style

:

00:41:39,963 --> 00:41:41,663

companies, it wouldn't work the same.

:

00:41:41,663 --> 00:41:45,713

I think there's much more easier

out of this situation now.

:

00:41:46,463 --> 00:41:46,973

would have to

:

00:41:47,293 --> 00:41:47,573

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:41:47,903 --> 00:41:51,653

Scott Murphy: to try and

replicate a similar situation.

:

00:41:51,703 --> 00:41:51,913

And

:

00:41:52,033 --> 00:41:55,183

Katie: It's hard to be stranded

now if you, unless Yeah.

:

00:41:55,393 --> 00:41:55,783

Yeah.

:

00:41:56,113 --> 00:41:56,233

Scott Murphy: now.

:

00:41:56,233 --> 00:41:56,833

Absolutely.

:

00:41:56,833 --> 00:41:57,103

Yeah.

:

00:41:57,533 --> 00:42:01,503

Katie: I guess, they could lose their

phone or whatnot, this movie does a really

:

00:42:01,503 --> 00:42:05,313

good job of combining a lot of slapstick

:

00:42:05,853 --> 00:42:10,633

with really it'll be like all fun games

and then it'll really hit you like gut

:

00:42:10,633 --> 00:42:12,673

punch with a really heartfelt moment.

:

00:42:12,938 --> 00:42:13,018

Scott Murphy: Hmm.

:

00:42:13,243 --> 00:42:17,783

Katie: And, , because this has such

a high IMDB rating compared to some

:

00:42:17,783 --> 00:42:21,833

other road trip movies, do you think

that that's, is that part of why it

:

00:42:21,833 --> 00:42:25,568

makes, what makes it so memorable or

what is it about planes, trains, and

:

00:42:25,568 --> 00:42:30,293

auto and automobiles that, as you put

earlier, hits all the right points?

:

00:42:31,028 --> 00:42:33,808

Scott Murphy: I think so I,

I think it is that mixture.

:

00:42:34,108 --> 00:42:40,128

I think I, I think it is a mixture of

it's a movie that like, has a funny bone.

:

00:42:40,398 --> 00:42:45,238

It is a movie that has, a certain

intelligence to it, and it's a

:

00:42:45,238 --> 00:42:47,368

movie that has like a lot of heart.

:

00:42:47,818 --> 00:42:51,148

And I, I think like that, that,

that mixture of giving you clever

:

00:42:51,148 --> 00:42:54,898

moments, sweet moments, and

just like really silly moments.

:

00:42:55,078 --> 00:42:59,728

I think it, it is just like, it just

has a perfect combination of all three.

:

00:43:00,058 --> 00:43:04,798

And yeah, I think, I think that's what

kind of it ahead of maybe, maybe some

:

00:43:04,798 --> 00:43:09,718

other ones that maybe lack the sweetness

or don't have the intelligence or, or, you

:

00:43:09,718 --> 00:43:13,508

know, or play it too straight this has a

really good combination of those things.

:

00:43:13,933 --> 00:43:14,563

Katie: Agreed.

:

00:43:14,613 --> 00:43:20,143

Because I just recently did Dutch and

actually just this morning covered home

:

00:43:20,143 --> 00:43:24,853

alone two, so in both of those I had

criticisms that there are, you know,

:

00:43:24,853 --> 00:43:28,843

holiday movies supposed to be reminding

people who have a lot, you know, just

:

00:43:29,083 --> 00:43:34,483

remember to be kind and be grateful

and if, you know, lend a healthy hand.

:

00:43:34,993 --> 00:43:35,713

And in those.

:

00:43:36,118 --> 00:43:41,518

Those movies that happens, but

they fall short of true generosity.

:

00:43:41,723 --> 00:43:41,943

Scott Murphy: Mm

:

00:43:42,088 --> 00:43:46,678

Katie: So I think in, in, in that

they don't invite the person in,

:

00:43:46,678 --> 00:43:48,418

it's that person still is homeless.

:

00:43:48,418 --> 00:43:51,398

In the case of Dutch, a homeless

couple drops 'em off at a mansion

:

00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:52,598

and you're like, call me on Monday.

:

00:43:52,598 --> 00:43:53,648

I might be able to give you a job.

:

00:43:53,858 --> 00:43:57,458

Meanwhile, they're going off to

nowhere for things like invite them

:

00:43:57,458 --> 00:43:59,498

in, like the close the loop on that.

:

00:43:59,498 --> 00:44:03,408

Or similarly with the bird lady,

the pigeon lady in home alone too.

:

00:44:03,408 --> 00:44:08,688

And so I feel like this, I finally got

my, you know, I've watched these all

:

00:44:08,688 --> 00:44:13,098

in the close succession and so I feel

like I finally get an appropriate.

:

00:44:13,503 --> 00:44:19,523

Thanksgiving gratitude holiday ending

where the growth of the people involved

:

00:44:19,523 --> 00:44:25,223

in the adventure actually leads to some

real tangible kindness and generosity.

:

00:44:25,523 --> 00:44:30,803

Because in this one, guess what,

Neil actually does bring Dell home

:

00:44:30,983 --> 00:44:33,773

to meet his family and probably

ends up staying there for a while.

:

00:44:33,773 --> 00:44:39,603

So that that alone, like elevated

this movie, I guess, since I've just

:

00:44:39,603 --> 00:44:41,133

watched a couple of other ones recently.

:

00:44:41,448 --> 00:44:42,018

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

:

00:44:42,348 --> 00:44:43,578

I mean, yeah, absolutely.

:

00:44:43,848 --> 00:44:46,098

There is, there is a real

sweetness to this one.

:

00:44:46,168 --> 00:44:51,268

And there's a real arc of growth

there and, know, there's a real kind

:

00:44:51,268 --> 00:44:56,458

of like bond of friendship that is,

that has grown the movie of just being

:

00:44:56,458 --> 00:45:00,058

like, these two guys who are, well,

one of them's incredibly irritated

:

00:45:00,058 --> 00:45:03,298

by the other, but they grow to

love each other over the course of

:

00:45:03,428 --> 00:45:03,848

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:45:04,258 --> 00:45:07,138

Scott Murphy: MAD journey that they,

they, they have together over a few days.

:

00:45:07,498 --> 00:45:10,438

And yeah, so I, I think, I

think that does really hit home.

:

00:45:10,443 --> 00:45:16,598

And, and also in terms of like

your classic eighties frame ending

:

00:45:17,208 --> 00:45:23,598

like ending on, on John K's beaming

face is absolutely heart melting.

:

00:45:23,658 --> 00:45:23,988

It's,

:

00:45:24,723 --> 00:45:25,143

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:26,143

Mm-hmm.

:

00:45:26,688 --> 00:45:30,198

They had that, something similar

in uncle Buck and there's a few

:

00:45:30,198 --> 00:45:31,848

movies that have that, right?

:

00:45:31,968 --> 00:45:32,178

Scott Murphy: yeah,

:

00:45:32,183 --> 00:45:32,748

yeah, yeah.

:

00:45:32,748 --> 00:45:32,928

For

:

00:45:33,168 --> 00:45:35,748

Katie: I love seeing the

the pre nine 11 travel.

:

00:45:37,353 --> 00:45:40,983

Again, I've just watched a few movies

in close succession where there's like

:

00:45:40,983 --> 00:45:46,833

airport travel and I'm like, oh, how

nice would that have been to just show up

:

00:45:47,133 --> 00:45:48,753

half an hour before your flight leaves?

:

00:45:49,273 --> 00:45:53,713

Also in movies, eighties movies,

especially now I have been to New York.

:

00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:58,803

But I feel like in the eighties

it is portrayed to be impossible

:

00:45:59,043 --> 00:46:00,963

to get a cab in rush hour.

:

00:46:01,458 --> 00:46:01,908

Scott Murphy: Yes.

:

00:46:01,953 --> 00:46:03,573

Katie: assume that to be true.

:

00:46:04,173 --> 00:46:09,213

And the only thing that I can liken it

to is like nowadays attempting to get

:

00:46:09,418 --> 00:46:15,213

a Lyft or an Uber or whatever, your

ride share home after a big event lets

:

00:46:15,213 --> 00:46:21,153

out like a, a big game or a concert

or some like stadium sized event, it's

:

00:46:21,153 --> 00:46:22,683

nearly impossible to get a ride home.

:

00:46:22,683 --> 00:46:24,003

That's the only thing I can equate it to.

:

00:46:24,188 --> 00:46:24,608

Mm-hmm.

:

00:46:24,828 --> 00:46:24,838

Scott Murphy: yeah.

:

00:46:25,038 --> 00:46:28,368

No, I've seen, like I, I, I've never

been to New York, so I don't know,

:

00:46:28,398 --> 00:46:31,098

but yeah, I assume it's really hard

to get a cab in New York there's

:

00:46:31,128 --> 00:46:36,688

actually, I earlier on in the year,

I, I watched a movie that was kind of

:

00:46:36,688 --> 00:46:38,668

almost entirely centered around that.

:

00:46:38,878 --> 00:46:42,483

It's a, it's a Bill Murray comedy

called quick Change, which is the

:

00:46:42,483 --> 00:46:43,053

only

:

00:46:43,153 --> 00:46:44,393

Katie: I haven't seen,

I haven't seen that.

:

00:46:44,408 --> 00:46:45,908

Scott Murphy: that's

directed by Bill Murray.

:

00:46:45,908 --> 00:46:46,813

He co-directs it.

:

00:46:46,813 --> 00:46:47,833

It's the only movie directed,

:

00:46:48,163 --> 00:46:49,033

and it's really

:

00:46:49,208 --> 00:46:49,498

Katie: Okay.

:

00:46:49,553 --> 00:46:52,403

Scott Murphy: It's about these bank

robbers and the whole comedy is of

:

00:46:52,403 --> 00:46:55,073

it is like they're just trying to get

outta New York and they just can't

:

00:46:56,258 --> 00:46:56,973

Katie: They can't,

:

00:46:57,093 --> 00:46:57,153

Scott Murphy: they

:

00:46:57,273 --> 00:46:58,383

Katie: they can't get out.

:

00:46:58,593 --> 00:47:01,383

Scott Murphy: they, that's they,

they're just constantly yeah.

:

00:47:01,383 --> 00:47:04,173

I won't spoil the ending to, you

know, whether they do or do not, but

:

00:47:04,173 --> 00:47:05,043

like most of the

:

00:47:05,283 --> 00:47:05,763

Katie: Okay.

:

00:47:05,973 --> 00:47:08,493

Scott Murphy: desperately trying to get

out of New York and they're just failing.

:

00:47:09,515 --> 00:47:10,295

It's really funny.

:

00:47:10,355 --> 00:47:11,645

If people haven't checked

that out, I would say

:

00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,265

Quick Change is another one I would

:

00:47:13,375 --> 00:47:14,905

Katie: quick change with Bill Murray.

:

00:47:14,995 --> 00:47:15,235

All right.

:

00:47:15,295 --> 00:47:17,875

I'll add that to my list

that is ever growing.

:

00:47:18,458 --> 00:47:18,668

Okay.

:

00:47:18,668 --> 00:47:22,358

So the kid that steals money, there's

a couple things I wanted to talk about.

:

00:47:23,018 --> 00:47:26,328

Firstly, they have to sleep

together on this tiny bed.

:

00:47:26,958 --> 00:47:28,968

And they get robbed in

the middle of the night.

:

00:47:29,808 --> 00:47:32,628

And Neil thinks that Dell stole the money.

:

00:47:32,628 --> 00:47:35,868

They don't learn that they've been

robbed 'cause he doesn't take anything

:

00:47:35,868 --> 00:47:37,308

except for the money in their wallets.

:

00:47:37,638 --> 00:47:42,648

So they're going to breakfast and

Neil thinks that Dell stole $700.

:

00:47:42,648 --> 00:47:44,633

Then they realized that

they've both been robbed.

:

00:47:45,233 --> 00:47:45,563

Okay.

:

00:47:45,593 --> 00:47:48,443

So I had to look up, I was like, that

seems like a lot of money to just be

:

00:47:48,443 --> 00:47:50,453

walking around with in your wallet.

:

00:47:50,753 --> 00:47:52,253

That's like two grand now.

:

00:47:52,388 --> 00:47:53,018

Scott Murphy: Wow.

:

00:47:53,918 --> 00:47:54,068

what

:

00:47:54,158 --> 00:47:54,848

Katie: Who,

:

00:47:55,238 --> 00:47:55,628

Scott Murphy: I was,

:

00:47:55,688 --> 00:48:00,758

Katie: who walks around with

$2,000 in cash in their wallet.

:

00:48:01,103 --> 00:48:04,193

Scott Murphy: Yeah, I was,

I was thinking that's wild.

:

00:48:04,223 --> 00:48:08,723

Even if you're going on a big trip,

like out of the country, you wouldn't

:

00:48:08,723 --> 00:48:10,953

just have all your, you know,

:

00:48:11,238 --> 00:48:11,448

Katie: No.

:

00:48:11,733 --> 00:48:15,543

Scott Murphy: in your like it that,

'cause I was struck by that as well.

:

00:48:15,543 --> 00:48:17,553

I was like, $700.

:

00:48:17,553 --> 00:48:21,213

That'd be like a, you know,

that, doing that:

:

00:48:21,213 --> 00:48:22,443

25 conversion that

:

00:48:22,513 --> 00:48:22,933

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:48:23,103 --> 00:48:23,373

Scott Murphy: done.

:

00:48:23,563 --> 00:48:26,503

I didn't know it was:

but I just knew that it'd be a

:

00:48:26,503 --> 00:48:27,733

lot of money and

:

00:48:27,778 --> 00:48:28,318

Katie: A lot.

:

00:48:28,408 --> 00:48:28,858

Yeah.

:

00:48:28,963 --> 00:48:31,393

Scott Murphy: why would anybody

be walking around with that

:

00:48:31,393 --> 00:48:33,493

much cash just in their wallet?

:

00:48:34,278 --> 00:48:35,478

Katie: And it was just a quick trip.

:

00:48:35,478 --> 00:48:38,658

It was like just for like a bus,

like a presentation there and back.

:

00:48:38,658 --> 00:48:40,158

He was, to New York back home.

:

00:48:40,748 --> 00:48:41,468

So I don't know.

:

00:48:41,528 --> 00:48:44,288

I don't know if that was a

thing in the eighties or if that

:

00:48:44,648 --> 00:48:46,478

leads us to believe that he.

:

00:48:47,018 --> 00:48:48,098

They have a lot of money.

:

00:48:48,098 --> 00:48:50,618

I mean, the houses in these Hughe

movies are always really nice.

:

00:48:51,098 --> 00:48:53,318

So I don't know, but that was a lot.

:

00:48:54,328 --> 00:48:59,128

And then that robber, the cut scene, it

just shows like a kid by kid, I mean, I

:

00:48:59,128 --> 00:49:00,808

don't know, late teens, early twenties.

:

00:49:01,708 --> 00:49:04,968

So the version of the movie that

we have, we don't know who he is.

:

00:49:04,998 --> 00:49:07,188

It's just a kid that steals their money.

:

00:49:08,178 --> 00:49:12,348

It makes more sense knowing that there

was a scene actually cut where he was the

:

00:49:12,348 --> 00:49:17,928

pizza delivery boy, and he got stiffed for

a tip or only like a dollar or something.

:

00:49:18,468 --> 00:49:19,248

And then so,

:

00:49:19,638 --> 00:49:23,538

so then seeing him come back to be the

robber made a whole lot more sense.

:

00:49:23,538 --> 00:49:27,858

Whereas in the theatrical version,

it's just some random person.

:

00:49:27,968 --> 00:49:28,258

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

:

00:49:28,418 --> 00:49:28,898

Katie: So, yeah.

:

00:49:29,648 --> 00:49:31,763

Scott Murphy: Because I did

read that, that there's like a

:

00:49:31,763 --> 00:49:33,683

lot on the cutting room floor.

:

00:49:33,733 --> 00:49:34,153

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:49:34,228 --> 00:49:37,878

Scott Murphy: that there was, like,

what he originally filmed is something

:

00:49:37,878 --> 00:49:39,588

ridiculous, like three hours and

:

00:49:39,588 --> 00:49:40,428

40 minutes,

:

00:49:40,753 --> 00:49:40,973

Katie: Yes.

:

00:49:41,313 --> 00:49:41,733

Mm-hmm.

:

00:49:41,808 --> 00:49:45,438

Scott Murphy: cut down to two

hours, which was test screened.

:

00:49:45,798 --> 00:49:49,488

So the original cut is, I don't

think has ever been seen by an

:

00:49:49,488 --> 00:49:50,418

audience anywhere.

:

00:49:50,813 --> 00:49:51,233

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:49:51,353 --> 00:49:51,753

Mm-hmm.

:

00:49:51,828 --> 00:49:55,698

Scott Murphy: cut that was test screened

and then it got cut down to the 90

:

00:49:55,698 --> 00:49:57,918

minutes or 93 minutes that we now

:

00:49:59,003 --> 00:49:59,423

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:49:59,778 --> 00:50:00,018

Scott Murphy: with.

:

00:50:00,083 --> 00:50:00,503

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:50:00,738 --> 00:50:04,793

Scott Murphy: yeah, I'd be very interested

to see what that original cut was like.

:

00:50:04,953 --> 00:50:08,158

I, I an entity person but that's,

:

00:50:08,173 --> 00:50:08,848

Katie: I know, I know.

:

00:50:08,848 --> 00:50:12,418

It had more of, it had

more of Michael McKean.

:

00:50:12,518 --> 00:50:15,818

'Cause I don't think in the movie we

have, they go to Wisconsin at all.

:

00:50:15,878 --> 00:50:16,298

Scott Murphy: No.

:

00:50:16,328 --> 00:50:16,748

Katie: But

:

00:50:17,018 --> 00:50:19,778

What's cut is somehow they like overshot.

:

00:50:19,808 --> 00:50:23,318

I don't know how, but they were

driving and get stopped by the

:

00:50:23,378 --> 00:50:24,578

state patrol Michael McKean.

:

00:50:24,578 --> 00:50:26,858

I didn't pay attention to

this, but I read that his.

:

00:50:27,383 --> 00:50:30,743

Badge says Wisconsin State Patrol.

:

00:50:31,283 --> 00:50:33,743

So there would be no reason

for them to be in Wisconsin.

:

00:50:33,743 --> 00:50:37,793

But part of it was like, he's like, oh no,

you overshot, you're way outta your way.

:

00:50:37,793 --> 00:50:40,463

So they drove an extra day

outta their way or something.

:

00:50:40,853 --> 00:50:42,793

So there was some of that also cut.

:

00:50:43,060 --> 00:50:43,480

Scott Murphy: wow.

:

00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:47,670

Katie: They bulldoze outta the motel

at the end with a car that I can't

:

00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:49,680

believe was able to be running.

:

00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:57,300

And then they just drive on away and end

up home through a series of fake goodbyes.

:

00:50:57,300 --> 00:51:01,100

It's really, actually, I feel like you'd

better describe, I'm, glossing over the

:

00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:06,800

sweetness that they finally get to Chicago

and they say goodbye and then it takes

:

00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:13,850

Neil a minute to realize, like thinking

back through their conversations that.

:

00:51:15,140 --> 00:51:17,210

Doesn't have anyone to go back to.

:

00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:20,975

What did you think about how the way that

they portrayed that to us as the audience?

:

00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:26,520

Scott Murphy: Yeah, so it's an interesting

scene because I, I, and I think like Steve

:

00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,810

Martin's reactions, they kinda keep coming

back to Steve Martin's kind of like.

:

00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:33,240

to his own thoughts kind of

:

00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:33,570

thing.

:

00:51:33,810 --> 00:51:34,230

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:51:34,450 --> 00:51:34,870

Mm-hmm.

:

00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:38,970

Scott Murphy: you know, he's initially

wrapped up in kind of imagining seeing

:

00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:43,410

his family again, imagining Thanksgiving

dinner, you know, all this kinda stuff.

:

00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:48,410

And then he kind of starts going over

again in his head, his conversations

:

00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:53,480

with Dale, and then he has kind of

like, kind of his Kaiser so moment of

:

00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:57,440

realizing you know, what, what's, what's

going on with Dale, what's happening in

:

00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,290

Dale's life, and how he, he is alone.

:

00:52:01,790 --> 00:52:05,080

and and it, it goes from being

this really sweet moment of this

:

00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,530

guy really looking forward to

reconnecting with his family again.

:

00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:10,690

After it being longer than

it was supposed to be.

:

00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:15,040

But then thinking of his new

friend and then obviously.

:

00:52:15,415 --> 00:52:19,145

Feeling kind of crest fall and and

then that kind of what's inspires

:

00:52:19,145 --> 00:52:22,195

him to, to go back and get Dell.

:

00:52:22,285 --> 00:52:26,905

And then we, yeah, we have this really

tender emotional moment where Dell kind

:

00:52:26,905 --> 00:52:33,370

of admits like how alone he is, how

his wife had passed away eight years

:

00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:38,520

previously and he's just always on

the road and always alone kinda thing.

:

00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:45,150

And it's again like Martin's kind of

touch reaction, you know, we cut back

:

00:52:45,150 --> 00:52:49,470

to his face really sells the, and

like John Candy delivers, you know,

:

00:52:49,775 --> 00:52:49,995

Katie: Mm.

:

00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:52,950

Scott Murphy: kind of speech about

being lonely, which apparently in

:

00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:54,420

the, the longer cut is, is much

:

00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:55,620

longer that speech, but it's

:

00:52:55,775 --> 00:52:56,195

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:52:56,370 --> 00:52:57,400

Scott Murphy: down for the version we got.

:

00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:03,720

And it's yeah, like I do think

that if you're not touched or moved

:

00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:04,470

by this,

:

00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:05,070

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:08,070

Scott Murphy: this, thing, you really

do have like kind of a heart of stone.

:

00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:08,550

Like I, I,

:

00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:09,420

you know, like I have

:

00:53:09,585 --> 00:53:09,875

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:12,600

Scott Murphy: humor and I can,

you know, sometimes feel I'm

:

00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,150

quite cynical, but this is, yeah.

:

00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,720

Heart melting stuff every time.

:

00:53:16,810 --> 00:53:17,080

Yep.

:

00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:18,430

Katie: Same.

:

00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:18,820

Same.

:

00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:19,060

Yeah.

:

00:53:19,060 --> 00:53:23,300

It, it takes quite a bit to get,

get a tear, , twinkling down my eye.

:

00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:23,570

Yeah.

:

00:53:23,570 --> 00:53:27,810

But same John Kennedy's really good at

it, and it, yeah, just the juxtaposition

:

00:53:27,810 --> 00:53:30,500

of Steve Martin is like a no no-nonsense.

:

00:53:30,550 --> 00:53:31,960

You know, he's been

annoyed this whole time.

:

00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,160

So it was just, it really

was the right people,

:

00:53:36,550 --> 00:53:40,600

he, if he got Steve Martin to turn, he

should get anybody to turn, you know?

:

00:53:41,110 --> 00:53:42,280

So that was the end.

:

00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:43,270

With the family.

:

00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,680

It was interesting though.

:

00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,860

It seemed like their reunification

was like, he'd been gone for seven

:

00:53:47,860 --> 00:53:49,840

years, but it's been gone for two days.

:

00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:50,890

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

:

00:53:50,890 --> 00:53:51,040

The

:

00:53:51,115 --> 00:53:51,805

Katie: it's like, wow.

:

00:53:51,805 --> 00:53:51,925

What's

:

00:53:52,645 --> 00:53:53,335

the wife?

:

00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:53,950

Scott Murphy: the, the

:

00:53:54,055 --> 00:53:54,445

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:57,450

Scott Murphy: way, because

so like that is quite funny.

:

00:53:57,450 --> 00:54:00,080

Like in retrospect, while you're

in the moment of watching the

:

00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,110

movie, you just think this is a

beautiful touching touching sequence.

:

00:54:03,110 --> 00:54:05,720

But then afterwards, when you're

thinking about the way the wife

:

00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,990

comes down the stairs, it's

like he has come back from war,

:

00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:10,230

Katie: No, for sure.

:

00:54:10,263 --> 00:54:11,793

When the wife was coming downstairs.

:

00:54:11,913 --> 00:54:13,173

Did you see the post credit scene?

:

00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:14,120

Scott Murphy: Yes.

:

00:54:14,180 --> 00:54:18,580

I, I I guess many of these movies

and also I watch some Marvel movies

:

00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:22,630

and stuff like that, so I generally

watch to the very end just in case.

:

00:54:22,735 --> 00:54:23,260

And I know

:

00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:23,530

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:24,505

Scott Murphy: couple of what John

:

00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:25,810

Katie: Hughes is known for it.

:

00:54:26,290 --> 00:54:28,960

Scott Murphy: I know that a couple

of them have post credit scenes.

:

00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,170

So, so I was like, oh, maybe this

one will have, and then, and I kind

:

00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:34,840

of forgot, despite the fact how

many times I've seen this movie.

:

00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,640

I kind of forgot that it did actually.

:

00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:38,170

I couldn't remember if it did or not.

:

00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:39,440

And it's quite a funny one.

:

00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:40,660

And yeah,

:

00:54:40,825 --> 00:54:41,665

it's the, the, the

:

00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,220

Katie: It is

:

00:54:42,505 --> 00:54:45,470

Scott Murphy: the boss still

looking at the the, the fashion

:

00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,480

which, which is pretty funny.

:

00:54:48,570 --> 00:54:51,750

And I recognized that actor

too, because that actor.

:

00:54:52,455 --> 00:54:52,675

Katie: no.

:

00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:56,870

Scott Murphy: that's right

because that actor plays Dr.

:

00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:59,295

Seth Haslet in, in murder.

:

00:54:59,295 --> 00:55:01,825

She wrote he is a regular

character in Murder.

:

00:55:01,825 --> 00:55:02,245

She wrote,

:

00:55:03,010 --> 00:55:04,180

Katie: I'm surprised you watched.

:

00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:05,350

Being so young.

:

00:55:05,350 --> 00:55:07,570

I'm surprised you've even

seen Murder She Wrote.

:

00:55:07,615 --> 00:55:13,555

Scott Murphy: she wrote was regularly

repeated, on the BBC during the afternoon.

:

00:55:13,975 --> 00:55:15,145

And because

:

00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:15,940

Katie: Okay.

:

00:55:16,045 --> 00:55:19,815

Scott Murphy: was a sickly child who was

quite often off school with asthma or

:

00:55:19,815 --> 00:55:21,075

migraines or whatever.

:

00:55:21,345 --> 00:55:25,065

It was the kind of thing that I

would watch with my mom while lying

:

00:55:25,335 --> 00:55:27,075

out on the couch like sick, you

:

00:55:27,075 --> 00:55:27,285

know,

:

00:55:27,335 --> 00:55:29,165

Katie: Oh, that's adorable.

:

00:55:29,165 --> 00:55:29,645

I love that.

:

00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,790

Scott Murphy: nearly every

episode of Murder Show.

:

00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,710

I, I'm a big word this she wrote Fan.

:

00:55:33,715 --> 00:55:33,915

Yeah.

:

00:55:34,875 --> 00:55:36,345

Katie: my mom was a big murder.

:

00:55:36,345 --> 00:55:38,685

She wrote fan, so I watched it as well.

:

00:55:38,685 --> 00:55:42,795

It's on some rerun channel here, so I'll

catch it from time to actually, when

:

00:55:42,795 --> 00:55:46,005

I leave the house, I always leave the

TV on for my dogs and I'll, I'm like,

:

00:55:46,005 --> 00:55:47,415

oh, they'll watch Murder she Wrote.

:

00:55:47,415 --> 00:55:48,615

That's what I'll put on for them

:

00:55:49,035 --> 00:55:49,185

Scott Murphy: It's

:

00:55:49,275 --> 00:55:49,935

Katie: when I leave the house.

:

00:55:50,445 --> 00:55:50,985

Scott Murphy: for dogs.

:

00:55:50,985 --> 00:55:51,165

Yeah.

:

00:55:52,185 --> 00:55:52,665

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:55:53,145 --> 00:55:53,565

Yeah.

:

00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:57,940

But yeah, I, I thought it was like

he's still indecisive that guy.

:

00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,390

So moving on to trivia.

:

00:55:59,870 --> 00:56:03,125

I thought this was hilarious

that Steve Martin said he thought

:

00:56:03,125 --> 00:56:05,585

John Candy's performance in

this film was his very best.

:

00:56:05,985 --> 00:56:07,065

Which that's great.

:

00:56:07,125 --> 00:56:07,965

Very sweet.

:

00:56:08,065 --> 00:56:13,135

But he said his, it's that Kandy himself

had a lot of very similar qualities

:

00:56:13,135 --> 00:56:14,725

to the character he was playing.

:

00:56:15,065 --> 00:56:17,585

That he was a sweet guy,

very sweet and complicated.

:

00:56:17,585 --> 00:56:21,425

So he was always friendly and outgoing,

funny, and nice and polite, but he could

:

00:56:21,425 --> 00:56:23,465

tell that he was a little broken inside.

:

00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:24,560

Scott Murphy: No,

:

00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:24,860

Katie: Aw,

:

00:56:25,278 --> 00:56:28,948

But on a more positive note, he said

that John Candy arrived with exercise

:

00:56:28,948 --> 00:56:31,258

equipment to use for production.

:

00:56:31,468 --> 00:56:34,618

Cruz had installed a treadmill,

bench, press, weights, and other

:

00:56:34,618 --> 00:56:36,388

exercise gear in his hotel suite.

:

00:56:36,988 --> 00:56:39,178

Steve Martin said John

Candy never used any of it.

:

00:56:40,738 --> 00:56:41,383

Scott Murphy: That's very

:

00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,258

Katie: He was like, I'm

gonna work out on this set.

:

00:56:43,543 --> 00:56:44,218

He never did.

:

00:56:45,398 --> 00:56:46,018

Scott Murphy: That's cool.

:

00:56:46,243 --> 00:56:46,933

That's cool.

:

00:56:47,003 --> 00:56:50,033

I also read a very cool

story about John Candy.

:

00:56:50,033 --> 00:56:54,723

Apparently, he invited like

a bunch of people who worked

:

00:56:54,723 --> 00:56:57,163

on this movie, to the Oscars.

:

00:56:57,523 --> 00:56:58,753

And like

:

00:56:58,873 --> 00:56:59,713

apparently

:

00:56:59,953 --> 00:57:05,533

He, footed, a bill of like $1,000 of

room service for all these people.

:

00:57:05,683 --> 00:57:07,063

And it was just like, it's on me.

:

00:57:07,063 --> 00:57:07,513

It's cool.

:

00:57:07,993 --> 00:57:09,103

Which is, yeah.

:

00:57:09,253 --> 00:57:12,888

That's pretty crazy because

again, $1,000 in 87 or 88

:

00:57:12,918 --> 00:57:13,818

whenever this was.

:

00:57:13,938 --> 00:57:14,868

Katie: Back in the day.

:

00:57:14,978 --> 00:57:15,968

That is nice.

:

00:57:16,778 --> 00:57:21,628

So there was snow in this and

it was expected to snow, which

:

00:57:21,628 --> 00:57:23,248

was conducive to the story.

:

00:57:23,608 --> 00:57:26,858

So they waited and in Illinois for

it to snow, but then because it

:

00:57:26,858 --> 00:57:31,178

didn't, they ended up having to

move to Buffalo, New York to film.

:

00:57:31,498 --> 00:57:34,378

Then they had made all

this fake snow as well.

:

00:57:34,808 --> 00:57:39,398

And then the house used for for

Neil's family home is actually in

:

00:57:39,578 --> 00:57:43,298

Kennelworth, Illinois on Warwick.

:

00:57:44,648 --> 00:57:48,848

And the house used in home

alone was on Lincoln Avenue

:

00:57:48,848 --> 00:57:50,858

in Winne Teca one town over.

:

00:57:51,128 --> 00:57:52,688

They did look very similar.

:

00:57:52,738 --> 00:57:54,778

The houses I thought home alone.

:

00:57:55,168 --> 00:57:55,918

And this house,

:

00:57:56,293 --> 00:57:59,443

Scott Murphy: it was maybe the same house

'cause they, they looked so similar.

:

00:57:59,948 --> 00:58:02,258

Katie: I guess they were one

town over from each other.

:

00:58:03,061 --> 00:58:08,061

Did you notice that, I think it was

the Ben Stein, where they're in Wichita

:

00:58:08,901 --> 00:58:11,631

and the airplane employee announces

that the flight's been canceled.

:

00:58:11,631 --> 00:58:16,521

You can see on the board that

the destination is nowhere.

:

00:58:17,121 --> 00:58:19,041

Like in the movie it says nowhere.

:

00:58:19,626 --> 00:58:19,986

Scott Murphy: yeah.

:

00:58:20,091 --> 00:58:20,631

Katie: Did you see that?

:

00:58:20,976 --> 00:58:22,146

Scott Murphy: I didn't catch that one.

:

00:58:22,196 --> 00:58:25,046

There's some like little moments

like that, that I did catch, there's

:

00:58:25,046 --> 00:58:28,046

definitely some things in this movie

that I wouldn't have caught as a kid

:

00:58:28,076 --> 00:58:29,536

that I'm like, that's quite funny.

:

00:58:30,576 --> 00:58:30,996

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:58:31,246 --> 00:58:31,606

Scott Murphy: for Ex,

:

00:58:31,651 --> 00:58:32,041

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:58:32,041 --> 00:58:32,701

Good point.

:

00:58:33,796 --> 00:58:38,946

Scott Murphy: like when Neil first,

like formally meets Dell at the airport,

:

00:58:39,246 --> 00:58:43,296

Dell is reading a novel that's like

an erotic novel called the Canadian

:

00:58:43,296 --> 00:58:46,116

Mounted, which I, which made me laugh.

:

00:58:49,416 --> 00:58:51,156

Katie: And, 'cause he's

Canadian too, isn't he?

:

00:58:51,456 --> 00:58:51,816

Scott Murphy: as well.

:

00:58:51,846 --> 00:58:52,296

Yeah.

:

00:58:52,296 --> 00:58:52,306

Yeah.

:

00:58:52,806 --> 00:58:53,736

So there you go.

:

00:58:55,636 --> 00:58:57,076

Katie: I love little things like that.

:

00:58:57,076 --> 00:58:59,536

When you can rewatch them

and keep finding new things.

:

00:59:00,196 --> 00:59:05,536

I guess the plane, the aircraft in

the flight they reused from the movie

:

00:59:05,536 --> 00:59:08,326

airplane, which was also from Paramount.

:

00:59:08,326 --> 00:59:09,826

So that I guess makes sense.

:

00:59:09,976 --> 00:59:10,216

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

:

00:59:10,876 --> 00:59:14,606

Katie: But that's, that was seven years

earlier, so they just reused that.

:

00:59:15,063 --> 00:59:18,808

the instructions from John

Hughes for Ededie Mcclar.

:

00:59:19,863 --> 00:59:23,543

I guess a lot of what she said on

the phone, to her sister , ed even

:

00:59:23,543 --> 00:59:24,983

Clark is the rental car agent.

:

00:59:25,373 --> 00:59:27,323

And I guess a lot of that was improvised.

:

00:59:27,323 --> 00:59:31,113

So Hughes told her just to simply riff

just make up some fake phone conversation

:

00:59:31,113 --> 00:59:33,543

with someone about Thanksgiving plans.

:

00:59:33,543 --> 00:59:33,553

Plans.

:

00:59:33,823 --> 00:59:38,273

So while Steve Martin remains waiting in

line she came up with the idea to speak

:

00:59:38,273 --> 00:59:42,283

with her sister about who was gonna bring

what adding, you know, I can't cook.

:

00:59:42,703 --> 00:59:45,943

And then Hughes asked her how she came

up with those lines so quickly and

:

00:59:45,943 --> 00:59:49,933

she replied that like his scripts,

she just drew it from her own life.

:

00:59:50,683 --> 00:59:55,633

And she also claims that to this

day, random people ask her to

:

00:59:55,633 --> 00:59:56,893

tell them that they're fucked.

:

00:59:58,273 --> 00:59:58,903

I like that.

:

00:59:59,173 --> 00:59:59,333

Scott Murphy: good.

:

00:59:59,333 --> 01:00:00,028

That's cool.

:

01:00:00,088 --> 01:00:00,358

Yeah.

:

01:00:00,876 --> 01:00:03,846

Katie: From the time Steve Martin

starts his tirade to the time that the

:

01:00:03,846 --> 01:00:07,986

attendant ends the scene in that 60

seconds, the F word is used 19 times.

:

01:00:08,616 --> 01:00:14,316

Had that not been the case, it would've

been rated pg or maybe even PG 13,

:

01:00:14,886 --> 01:00:17,946

except for that one scene, and I'm glad

they kept it in and got the R rating.

:

01:00:18,186 --> 01:00:19,206

I'm, I'm happy for it.

:

01:00:19,371 --> 01:00:20,061

Scott Murphy: so good.

:

01:00:20,151 --> 01:00:21,261

It's, it's so good.

:

01:00:21,261 --> 01:00:24,171

It's, it's Steve Martin at its very best.

:

01:00:24,471 --> 01:00:29,631

And like he really tears into

it and it's every line in it,

:

01:00:29,691 --> 01:00:31,611

he delivers a hundred percent.

:

01:00:32,061 --> 01:00:36,021

And it's, it just every, every

line is, is like so funny.

:

01:00:36,081 --> 01:00:40,691

It's just and it's, you know, the

amount of times that like, that kind

:

01:00:40,691 --> 01:00:45,496

of tirade comes back into my head,

, you four fucking wheels in a seat.

:

01:00:45,546 --> 01:00:46,146

It just,

:

01:00:47,676 --> 01:00:48,246

it's great.

:

01:00:48,681 --> 01:00:53,031

Katie: Me on a fucking flight and he's,

his physical acting is so good too.

:

01:00:53,061 --> 01:00:54,861

, we feel his frustration.

:

01:00:54,921 --> 01:00:57,351

So that's, well, well done.

:

01:00:57,351 --> 01:00:58,101

Steve Martin,

:

01:00:58,901 --> 01:01:01,181

Scott Murphy: I think that whole

sequence shows off the kind of

:

01:01:01,181 --> 01:01:03,401

full spectrum of Steve Martin's.

:

01:01:04,331 --> 01:01:08,571

Comic ability both in terms of like

the rant gives him the great, like the

:

01:01:08,571 --> 01:01:10,011

way he can verbally deliver things.

:

01:01:10,161 --> 01:01:15,421

But even before that, when he before he

gets to the airport where he he's tripping

:

01:01:15,421 --> 01:01:17,491

down that snowbank and stuff like that.

:

01:01:17,491 --> 01:01:20,756

There's just some great physical

pratfall . So, you get the full

:

01:01:20,756 --> 01:01:25,206

spectrum of Steve Martin's comedic

abilities in that segment of the movie.

:

01:01:25,486 --> 01:01:26,146

Katie: Indeed.

:

01:01:26,956 --> 01:01:31,606

I was just going to touch on the trunk

that Dell is carrying the whole time.

:

01:01:31,606 --> 01:01:34,186

Like what a pain in the

ass piece of luggage that

:

01:01:34,186 --> 01:01:35,836

requires basically two people.

:

01:01:36,236 --> 01:01:41,486

The famous trunk in this movie,

apparently is currently owned by Candy's

:

01:01:41,486 --> 01:01:43,916

daughter Jennifer, and I just love that.

:

01:01:43,916 --> 01:01:44,546

Scott Murphy: Oh,

:

01:01:44,576 --> 01:01:46,076

Katie: John Candy's

daughter has that trunk.

:

01:01:46,076 --> 01:01:46,766

Scott Murphy: cool.

:

01:01:47,576 --> 01:01:48,591

That's, yeah, that's real

:

01:01:48,596 --> 01:01:51,416

Katie: Did you read about

the original ending though?

:

01:01:51,476 --> 01:01:54,026

That did not test Well,

did you read about this,

:

01:01:54,776 --> 01:01:55,916

Scott Murphy: no, I don't think I, I

:

01:01:55,976 --> 01:01:56,666

Katie: about the trunk?

:

01:01:56,821 --> 01:01:57,041

Scott Murphy: ending.

:

01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,750

Katie: So the scene where, at the

end, near the end where Dell reveals

:

01:02:01,750 --> 01:02:04,540

to Neil and the L station that

his wife Maria, has been dead for

:

01:02:04,540 --> 01:02:06,280

eight years, is certainly touching.

:

01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:12,190

However, as it was filmed originally,

it was much, much, much darker.

:

01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:16,330

And they, they tested this and it

did not go well, so they changed it.

:

01:02:16,750 --> 01:02:20,310

Dell pops open the lid , that both

these men had been hauling the trunk

:

01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:25,230

throughout their trip to reveal

Marie's mummified corpse within it.

:

01:02:25,925 --> 01:02:26,215

Scott Murphy: Geez.

:

01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:28,770

Katie: was, that was the original version.

:

01:02:29,316 --> 01:02:32,916

That doesn't seem in

keeping with the movie

:

01:02:32,916 --> 01:02:34,416

Scott Murphy: No, no.

:

01:02:34,416 --> 01:02:38,836

I, I, I can see why that tested badly,

because that's like, I could see that

:

01:02:38,836 --> 01:02:40,786

working in a different film, like a

:

01:02:40,786 --> 01:02:41,836

darker comedy.

:

01:02:41,926 --> 01:02:42,181

Katie: Uh uh

:

01:02:42,376 --> 01:02:42,916

Scott Murphy: But,

:

01:02:43,231 --> 01:02:44,881

Katie: This isn't a dark comedy.

:

01:02:46,081 --> 01:02:46,801

Mm-hmm.

:

01:02:46,846 --> 01:02:48,976

Scott Murphy: has different types

of comedy in terms of its verbal

:

01:02:48,976 --> 01:02:52,786

comedy, it's physical comedy or

whatever, but it's never like a, it

:

01:02:52,786 --> 01:02:55,156

never delves really into dark humor.

:

01:02:55,346 --> 01:02:58,256

It's very sweet through

much of its running time.

:

01:02:58,536 --> 01:03:01,336

It's very in the kind

of holiday spirit type

:

01:03:01,336 --> 01:03:01,756

movie.

:

01:03:01,756 --> 01:03:01,966

So

:

01:03:02,016 --> 01:03:02,981

Katie: Mm, mm-hmm.

:

01:03:03,401 --> 01:03:06,311

Scott Murphy: I can see why that,

I could see what, usually I like,

:

01:03:06,311 --> 01:03:07,871

kind of like dark comedy like that.

:

01:03:07,871 --> 01:03:11,711

But I do think that that would

be ill fitting for this film.

:

01:03:11,711 --> 01:03:11,921

Yeah.

:

01:03:12,881 --> 01:03:13,541

Katie: I agree.

:

01:03:13,691 --> 01:03:17,631

And all clearly test audiences

overwhelmingly agreed as well.

:

01:03:18,241 --> 01:03:21,451

So they were forced to film a

happier ending, and I like the

:

01:03:21,451 --> 01:03:22,711

happier ending that we got.

:

01:03:23,258 --> 01:03:24,008

Scott Murphy: No, I agree.

:

01:03:24,068 --> 01:03:24,818

Yeah, definitely.

:

01:03:24,818 --> 01:03:26,708

I, I, I prefer the, the happy ending.

:

01:03:26,708 --> 01:03:26,888

Yeah.

:

01:03:27,635 --> 01:03:31,555

Katie: The late Roger Ebert from the

Chicago Suns considered Planes, trains,

:

01:03:31,555 --> 01:03:35,665

and automobiles, the most perfect

road trip Betty movie ever made.

:

01:03:36,365 --> 01:03:37,655

What do you think about that?

:

01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:41,390

Scott Murphy: Oh yeah, I mean

it's definitely up there.

:

01:03:41,420 --> 01:03:48,140

It's definitely as terms of road trip

buddy movies go like, think of many

:

01:03:48,140 --> 01:03:53,430

that I would place a above it also, I

will say though that like a one that is

:

01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:58,410

definitely competing that I also think is

a perfect road trip movie is Midnight Run.

:

01:03:58,770 --> 01:03:59,190

Robert

:

01:03:59,190 --> 01:04:00,000

De Niro has

:

01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:00,460

Katie: Uh.

:

01:04:00,660 --> 01:04:03,120

Scott Murphy: Funnier than

he is in midnight Run, and

:

01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,490

Charles Groden is also amazing.

:

01:04:05,730 --> 01:04:07,650

So like that, I would

definitely say that's

:

01:04:07,650 --> 01:04:08,520

in competition as

:

01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:09,110

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:04:09,648 --> 01:04:10,188

Agreed.

:

01:04:10,218 --> 01:04:10,758

Agreed.

:

01:04:10,788 --> 01:04:15,198

I You were much better at being able

to pull out of the ether, a movie.

:

01:04:15,198 --> 01:04:16,668

I couldn't think of one, but Midnight Run.

:

01:04:16,668 --> 01:04:18,138

It's a popular genre.

:

01:04:18,208 --> 01:04:22,228

Even like vacation is similar with a

bunch of mishaps and things like that.

:

01:04:22,738 --> 01:04:27,118

I do really like planes, trains, and

automobiles, but I think I disagree with

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01:04:27,118 --> 01:04:33,088

Roger Ebert, even though I would have to

think for a while to, to find another one.

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01:04:33,418 --> 01:04:39,438

I do really like this movie,

but I don't yearn to rewatch it

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01:04:39,438 --> 01:04:41,958

a lot, like a lot of people do.

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01:04:41,958 --> 01:04:43,218

There's, I don't know what it is.

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01:04:43,218 --> 01:04:46,508

I can't really put my finger on it because

I like all the things that are happening.

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01:04:46,928 --> 01:04:48,158

I like these two actors.

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01:04:48,158 --> 01:04:49,328

You know, I like comedy.

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01:04:49,378 --> 01:04:50,428

I like John Hughes.

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01:04:50,698 --> 01:04:51,718

I like Chicago.

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01:04:52,168 --> 01:04:55,438

It's just, there's something

missing in this for me.

:

01:04:56,018 --> 01:04:57,488

And I can't quite put my finger on it.

:

01:04:58,073 --> 01:05:01,873

But there, there's talk

of a remake of this.

:

01:05:02,386 --> 01:05:05,476

A few years ago there was

actually two potential remakes.

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01:05:05,476 --> 01:05:09,886

One with Drew Barrymore and Adam

Sandler, and one with Kevin Hart

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01:05:09,886 --> 01:05:12,676

and Will Smith and the Will Smith.

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01:05:12,676 --> 01:05:13,816

Kevin Hart won.

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01:05:13,936 --> 01:05:19,016

Still has some talks of like

potentially a:

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01:05:19,433 --> 01:05:21,743

So, I don't know, we'll have

to keep our eye on that one.

:

01:05:21,743 --> 01:05:23,063

What do you think about that

:

01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:26,120

Scott Murphy: I'm not really

into it, I have to say.

:

01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,680

Katie: And who do you think would play Who

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01:05:28,153 --> 01:05:28,873

Kevin Hart plays?

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01:05:28,873 --> 01:05:29,473

Dell?

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01:05:29,503 --> 01:05:32,443

Scott Murphy: Kevin Hart plays Dell

and, and Will Smith plays Neil.

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01:05:32,533 --> 01:05:32,983

Yeah.

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01:05:33,193 --> 01:05:33,673

that would be

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01:05:33,673 --> 01:05:34,093

Katie: Yeah.

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01:05:34,273 --> 01:05:34,993

Scott Murphy: would be my guess.

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01:05:35,983 --> 01:05:38,773

Yeah, I'm, I'm not a big Kevin Hart fan.

:

01:05:38,953 --> 01:05:42,583

Sorry Kevin Hart fans, but yeah, I'm

not, I don't really find him that funny.

:

01:05:42,923 --> 01:05:44,123

Katie: He got oversaturated.

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01:05:44,123 --> 01:05:45,463

I think that was his problem.

:

01:05:45,463 --> 01:05:46,183

He was fine.

:

01:05:46,183 --> 01:05:48,403

And then he was in everything

and everybody got sick of him.

:

01:05:48,493 --> 01:05:48,883

Scott Murphy: yeah.

:

01:05:48,883 --> 01:05:50,623

That's maybe, that's, maybe possibly it.

:

01:05:50,673 --> 01:05:53,523

I did used to be quite a big

Will Smith fan, but I, I've not,

:

01:05:54,453 --> 01:05:55,413

not, I kinda

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01:05:55,443 --> 01:05:56,463

Katie: Same.

:

01:05:56,643 --> 01:05:57,453

Same.

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01:05:57,783 --> 01:05:59,073

Scott Murphy: So don't know.

:

01:05:59,073 --> 01:06:02,163

I mean, I still do like 'em, I

watch the most recent Bad boys.

:

01:06:02,193 --> 01:06:03,333

That was pretty fun.

:

01:06:03,393 --> 01:06:04,113

So, you know.

:

01:06:05,503 --> 01:06:07,453

Katie: So listeners, what

do you, what do we think?

:

01:06:07,483 --> 01:06:08,893

Are we inviting this remake?

:

01:06:08,893 --> 01:06:09,313

What do you think?

:

01:06:09,313 --> 01:06:10,213

Could it be good?

:

01:06:10,693 --> 01:06:10,993

I don't know.

:

01:06:10,993 --> 01:06:14,053

It's really hard to, sometimes

when they do movies like this,

:

01:06:14,053 --> 01:06:16,973

it's sort of like it's a money grab

'cause people will see it, I guess.

:

01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:20,903

But you're kind of setting yourself

up for failure in, in the eyes of.

:

01:06:21,368 --> 01:06:26,468

Nostalgia or quality because

it's hard to beat Steve Martin

:

01:06:26,468 --> 01:06:28,958

and John Candy, , together.

:

01:06:29,008 --> 01:06:32,068

I also read that John Hughes

originally wanted Tom Hanks to play

:

01:06:32,068 --> 01:06:35,338

Neil and John Travolta to play Dell.

:

01:06:36,023 --> 01:06:40,483

Hanks was too busy he was doing big

and Paramount execs did not want

:

01:06:40,483 --> 01:06:45,343

Travolta because at that time he

was considered box office as poison.

:

01:06:46,168 --> 01:06:46,648

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

:

01:06:46,663 --> 01:06:49,503

Katie: I thought that was

ni a little dig there.

:

01:06:50,803 --> 01:06:57,970

And some other what ifs for Dell, John

Goodman, Dudley Moore, bill Murray, and

:

01:06:57,970 --> 01:07:00,190

Robin Williams, they were all considered.

:

01:07:00,460 --> 01:07:02,065

Do you think any of them could play Dell?

:

01:07:02,688 --> 01:07:07,128

Scott Murphy: Yeah, I mean, I guess

like it would be Goodman would

:

01:07:07,128 --> 01:07:09,018

probably be the closest analogy.

:

01:07:09,128 --> 01:07:09,338

I,

:

01:07:09,408 --> 01:07:09,828

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:07:10,238 --> 01:07:12,278

Scott Murphy: could, could do

it, I think he'd be all right.

:

01:07:12,278 --> 01:07:14,348

I think John Candy is

the perfect choice, but I

:

01:07:14,348 --> 01:07:15,398

think Goodman would be a good

:

01:07:15,468 --> 01:07:15,888

Katie: Agreed.

:

01:07:16,388 --> 01:07:18,578

Scott Murphy: And then, you

know, Robin Williams can do a

:

01:07:18,578 --> 01:07:21,338

good mixture of sweet and manic.

:

01:07:21,458 --> 01:07:25,838

But I mean, I guess that would be

like a, it would be like a different.

:

01:07:26,528 --> 01:07:28,448

It would be a different energy, I guess.

:

01:07:28,448 --> 01:07:29,018

Because like

:

01:07:29,048 --> 01:07:30,128

even post him

:

01:07:30,258 --> 01:07:30,678

Katie: Agreed.

:

01:07:30,698 --> 01:07:33,698

Scott Murphy: the cocaine, Robin

Williams always had a cocaine

:

01:07:33,698 --> 01:07:35,828

energy, which is like Yeah.

:

01:07:35,828 --> 01:07:36,548

Different to,

:

01:07:36,548 --> 01:07:37,628

very different to to

:

01:07:37,778 --> 01:07:38,298

Katie: A bit much.

:

01:07:38,378 --> 01:07:38,858

Scott Murphy: energy.

:

01:07:38,858 --> 01:07:39,068

Yeah.

:

01:07:39,128 --> 01:07:39,428

Yeah,

:

01:07:39,428 --> 01:07:39,438

yeah.

:

01:07:39,773 --> 01:07:40,823

Katie: Less endearing.

:

01:07:40,873 --> 01:07:45,553

And Bill Murray, we got that movie and

wasn't that, what about Bob I think

:

01:07:45,553 --> 01:07:48,313

John Candy was the perfect one for Neil.

:

01:07:48,773 --> 01:07:54,833

Others considered Chubby Chase,

which that's No, because of vacation.

:

01:07:55,253 --> 01:07:58,313

Michael Keaton and Rick

Moranis were considered.

:

01:07:58,313 --> 01:08:00,113

I can see Rick Moranis maybe,

:

01:08:01,148 --> 01:08:01,628

Scott Murphy: Yeah.

:

01:08:01,943 --> 01:08:03,503

Katie: but but I like Steve Martin.

:

01:08:03,975 --> 01:08:07,335

Scott Murphy: Yeah, I, I think

again, we've talked a lot about the

:

01:08:07,335 --> 01:08:11,115

kinda sweetness of this movie, and I

think Moranis kind of fits in that,

:

01:08:11,445 --> 01:08:12,255

whereas not

:

01:08:12,325 --> 01:08:12,745

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:08:12,765 --> 01:08:17,495

Scott Murphy: because of the vacation

movies, but like Chevy Chase can

:

01:08:17,495 --> 01:08:21,755

be funny in things, but he doesn't

have a kind of endearing quality.

:

01:08:21,875 --> 01:08:22,145

He's

:

01:08:22,145 --> 01:08:24,125

always kind of a smarmy ass.

:

01:08:24,555 --> 01:08:25,005

So, and

:

01:08:25,005 --> 01:08:25,785

you need like an

:

01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:26,500

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:08:26,805 --> 01:08:29,024

Scott Murphy: for this

character to work, rather than

:

01:08:29,024 --> 01:08:30,015

just being like a,

:

01:08:30,225 --> 01:08:30,585

Katie: Right.

:

01:08:30,645 --> 01:08:32,745

Scott Murphy: uptight,

crabby guy, you know?

:

01:08:34,768 --> 01:08:35,188

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:08:35,398 --> 01:08:35,667

Yeah.

:

01:08:35,667 --> 01:08:38,098

No, the nail on the head for sure.

:

01:08:39,028 --> 01:08:40,348

Boy, the time goes fast.

:

01:08:40,377 --> 01:08:43,768

Can't thank you enough, Scott, for

joining me to reminisce about:

:

01:08:43,768 --> 01:08:47,788

and planes, trains, and automobiles

just in time for Thanksgiving.

:

01:08:48,207 --> 01:08:50,488

What are your closing

thoughts about this movie?

:

01:08:50,488 --> 01:08:52,468

And then tell us where we can find you.

:

01:08:53,778 --> 01:08:54,558

Scott Murphy: Clothing, thoughts?

:

01:08:54,618 --> 01:08:56,118

I think this is a great movie.

:

01:08:56,318 --> 01:08:58,778

It, like I've seen a

lot of John Ts movies.

:

01:08:58,868 --> 01:09:02,667

This would be probably my second

favorite after Breakfast Club.

:

01:09:03,018 --> 01:09:04,827

And yeah, I'm a big fan.

:

01:09:05,608 --> 01:09:08,518

I think everybody is

firing on all cylinders.

:

01:09:08,548 --> 01:09:09,508

John Hughes,

:

01:09:09,533 --> 01:09:09,952

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:09:10,228 --> 01:09:12,417

Scott Murphy: and Steve Martin are

all at the peak of their powers.

:

01:09:12,448 --> 01:09:14,098

And so you definitely gotta check that.

:

01:09:14,278 --> 01:09:18,308

I think it's endlessly quotable

like that f word rant is great.

:

01:09:18,518 --> 01:09:21,818

The kind of you know, some of the

lines that John Candy comes out with

:

01:09:21,818 --> 01:09:26,508

about, picking up sticks with her

butt cheeks and, I bet $6 in my right

:

01:09:26,508 --> 01:09:29,598

nut that, you know, we're not landing

in Chicago and all just there's

:

01:09:29,598 --> 01:09:30,528

so many quotable

:

01:09:30,813 --> 01:09:31,443

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:09:31,888 --> 01:09:32,308

Mm-hmm.

:

01:09:32,508 --> 01:09:35,718

Scott Murphy: of fun kind of

visual highlights as well.

:

01:09:35,868 --> 01:09:39,738

Like when you nearly crash a car

into a couple of trucks and then

:

01:09:39,738 --> 01:09:42,917

you get this flash of them both as

skeletons and then you get this flash

:

01:09:42,917 --> 01:09:45,707

of John Candy as like the devil.

:

01:09:45,888 --> 01:09:49,638

And John Candy does a hilarious

bit where he is just constantly

:

01:09:49,638 --> 01:09:51,018

readjusting his car seat.

:

01:09:51,018 --> 01:09:53,502

And that, that's like a, a

joke that like, you know.

:

01:09:53,997 --> 01:09:56,818

Feels like it's going on longer

than it should, but then it comes

:

01:09:56,818 --> 01:09:58,318

back around to being really funny.

:

01:09:58,488 --> 01:09:59,928

There's just so much in this film.

:

01:10:00,088 --> 01:10:01,108

So I love it.

:

01:10:01,198 --> 01:10:03,388

I think everybody should um, if

they're not rewatching it in a

:

01:10:03,388 --> 01:10:04,498

while, they definitely should.

:

01:10:04,588 --> 01:10:06,868

And if they're not watched it,

then they should definitely,

:

01:10:06,868 --> 01:10:07,968

definitely check it out.

:

01:10:08,538 --> 01:10:13,068

As for me, yeah, you can see

me on Facebook on Twitter or

:

01:10:13,068 --> 01:10:14,268

x whatever you wanna call it.

:

01:10:14,528 --> 01:10:18,088

The all nineties action all

the time has pages there.

:

01:10:18,308 --> 01:10:23,258

You can check us out on Spotify and

Apple Podcasts and your other podcasters.

:

01:10:23,978 --> 01:10:26,327

We have been going for.

:

01:10:26,838 --> 01:10:29,268

Yeah, like four and a half

years or something like that.

:

01:10:29,488 --> 01:10:33,368

So there's like now 74 or 75

episodes, something like that for

:

01:10:33,368 --> 01:10:34,148

you to check out.

:

01:10:34,423 --> 01:10:34,702

Katie: Nice.

:

01:10:34,808 --> 01:10:37,418

Scott Murphy: if you want to check

out my other podcast, new R Express,

:

01:10:37,418 --> 01:10:41,918

which is now finished, it is still

up on the website, new r express.com.

:

01:10:42,188 --> 01:10:45,968

There is 185 episodes of

that for you to enjoy.

:

01:10:46,248 --> 01:10:52,008

And then Bloody Sam coming in December

where I will be covering the 14 feature

:

01:10:52,008 --> 01:10:57,758

films of Sam Peck and put and I'm

sure Katie is going to join me in both

:

01:10:57,758 --> 01:11:01,773

projects for all nineties action all

the time and bloody Sam at some point.

:

01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:02,710

Katie: Love it.

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01:11:02,740 --> 01:11:03,190

Can't wait.

:

01:11:03,190 --> 01:11:04,420

Lots of fun stuff.

:

01:11:04,820 --> 01:11:05,809

Well that's, wow.

:

01:11:05,970 --> 01:11:09,760

I loved how you put, your

closing thoughts about the movie.

:

01:11:09,790 --> 01:11:12,280

Really well said, and you can

tell that you love the movie.

:

01:11:12,590 --> 01:11:14,330

I do very much like the movie.

:

01:11:14,850 --> 01:11:19,830

I don't think I put it in as high regard

as you do, but I still very much enjoy it.

:

01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:24,030

And that is our trip down memory lane

with planes, trains, and Automobiles.

:

01:11:24,030 --> 01:11:27,600

It is a perfect mix of chaos,

heart and John Hughes magic.

:

01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,620

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