Ginny Burton’s life includes nearly 30 years of addiction, incarceration, and a complete personal rebuilding that began at 40. In this conversation with Jim Koetting, she challenges the modern recovery and homelessness landscape—arguing that many incentives reward long-term management over real transformation. They talk candidly about withdrawal, discomfort, and why accountability can do what sympathy never could. Ginny also shares the outcomes of her prison-based program, her focus on abstinence-based stability, and why lived experience matters when rebuilding broken lives—and broken systems.