This podcast episode is an exploration of transformative personal journeys and the profound impact of death on our lives. We engage in a thoughtful conversation with Caroline from Love by Caro, who shares her unique experiences as a death doula and yoga instructor. Throughout our dialogue, we delve into the intricacies of grief, the significance of creating meaning around death, and the ways in which societal perceptions of mortality have evolved. Caroline elucidates her transition from a corporate career in accounting to embracing her passion for supporting individuals through their final stages of life, revealing the challenges and rewards of such a path. Join us as we navigate these poignant themes, reflecting on the intersections of spirituality, personal growth, and the human experience.

Takeaways:

• The podcast delves into the transformative journey of individuals navigating personal and professional transitions, emphasizing the significance of self-discovery.
• A profound discussion on the societal avoidance of death and the necessity of embracing grief as a vital part of the human experience unfolds.
• The speakers reflect upon the evolving dynamics of relationships and the quest for authentic connections amidst contemporary challenges.
• Insights into the intersection of spirituality and personal growth are shared, highlighting the importance of understanding one's own beliefs and values.
• The episode underscores the significance of community and shared experiences in fostering personal development and emotional resilience.
• A critical examination of the economic landscape is presented, suggesting a shift towards individual agency and the rise of the 'passion economy'.

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Thank you for joining us for episode number 24, Scorpio season.

How you doing, Claudia?

Very good, Paul.

How are you?

I'm doing great.

And guess who's back with us?

My favorite.

What's going on, D. Oh, not much.

Just hanging out, doing a podcast with one of my besties.

All right.

Aw, that's so cute.

How are you feeling?

Scorpio season?

D. It's.

I don't know if y' all have seen or not, but it's really cold in Texas.

I'm really.

It's like it's been in the 30s and 40s the past three days or so.

Oh, wow.

My joints are like.

I feel you.

But I mean, the season, I like spooky season.

So it's been.

Other than that, that's been going pretty good.

Yeah, I've been getting rocked by mercury retrograde.

All right, well, D, I made a T shirt for you.

Right?

You've made a few T shirts for me?

Yes.

All right, Claudia, I made a T shirt for you, right?

Yes, sir.

You did a couple.

Yeah.

I've got your clock.

One.

And I had a special request fulfilled by you as well.

All right.

You know something I do that you guys don't do.

What's that?

Every time I leave the house, I wear my T shirt.

I wear mine a lot.

It's just I only have two.

You probably have, like 20.

Yeah, well, but stay with me here.

So every time I leave the house, I wear my T shirt, and I wear my shirts like a uniform.

Right.

And so.

And I have the analytics to show that it.

Is it working?

It's working, but I Also get into strange conversations with people all the time just because of the T shirt.

So this may sound like a joke when I started off, but it's not a joke.

So one day I was walking through the woods with my dog, and I came up on.

And I came up on two ladies.

One read my shirt and said something to me.

I had an astrology shirt on.

So what do you think that person said to me?

Something about astrology.

Yeah.

So that conversation led to astrology conversation.

That's why I tell y', all, y' all need to we y' all promote y' all stuff every time you leave the house.

That conversation led to a Instagram follow.

That Instagram follow led to me watching.

And you know how I like to stalk people, Claudia.

And which led to our guest today, Caroline from Love by Carol.

How you doing, Caroline?

Hello.

I loved the story.

I loved the buildup.

I was actually the friend.

I didn't even notice the shirt.

Oh, really?

I'm very, like, in my own head when I'm hiking.

So I'm glad my friend said something.

And we're here now.

Well, welcome to I Am Astrology read.

So it was you in the story that walked up to him in the woods?

Yes.

Oh, okay.

That's crazy, because you're from Atlanta too.

That makes sense.

Yes.

Yes.

You know how I tell you.

You know how I tell you how I walk every day?

Well, yeah, one of the paths is through the woods, and.

Yeah, that's how we met.

I thought you were gonna discover a body or something.

Well, that's why I said this may sound like a joke.

A living body.

It was a living body.

Yeah.

So.

And.

And one of the reasons that I invited on the show is because there's a part of her story that really intrigued me, which we'll get to, but I wanted to find out from you, Caroline.

Well, you already said you're from Atlanta, right?

Yes.

Yeah.

I can briefly say who I am, what I'm about.

I'm Caroline.

I have a business called Love by Caro, and I'm a death doula yoga instructor and business coach.

And I never thought I would go down the path of entrepreneurship so soon, especially during COVID but I decided to start a business during a pandemic.

I mean, it's the best time, right?

Everybody's gotten laid off or something happening.

Yeah.

And actually, the quitting of the corporate job is really the part that intrigued me.

Why you got.

Why you did that?

But before we get to that, what was early home life for you?

Like?

Yeah, that's a great question.

So my parents divorced when I was four, and I have three little sisters now.

And.

And I would say I was pretty, like, shy, lonely, definitely wanted connection.

My parents were working a lot and struggled with mental illness.

So I have, like, alcoholism, bipolar in my family.

And I just have, like, a really compassionate heart towards all of that.

And that's why I like speaking on taboo topics, is to normalize.

Like, a lot of us go through pain, whether it's sexual abuse, mental illness.

Like, we all have a story that wants to be told, and I think that's really what connects us as human beings, and we can share those intimate moments.

I see you excelled in school.

Was that you were like, hideaway or something?

Yeah, I was good.

I'm great at following directions, so I think it's sometimes bad to be like that.

Just do, do, do.

So definitely the school system in America was pretty easy for me because I just can memorize things and then forget about it days later.

So, yeah, school definitely was the indicator of success.

I've realized, like, throughout growing up, like, I wasn't great at dancing or even PE or trying out for band, and, like, the only thing I could do is use my intelligence to get good grades.

So that was definitely like, an old, reliable.

Same girl, same.

Did you.

Was your household spiritual?

No, not at all.

Like, definitely not really spiritual.

Just very, like, chaotic.

A lot of distractions, a lot of tv, alcohol, substances I would and love, you know?

But, yeah, not.

Not spiritual.

All right.

And you studied accounting, right?

Yes, so that's my degree, and I did that route for four years.

So how do you go from being accountant to a death doula?

Yeah, it's a really interesting path.

So I was interested around death after my cousin had a baby that had a heart defect, and eventually Gianna was her name.

She passed after a few years.

Really sad.

And our family, it just took a huge toll on our family.

So ever since then, I just found myself in conversations about grief, asking coworkers, friends.

I just liked talking about it.

And I was in Costa Rica this year, and I was talking about grief, and someone told me about a death doula.

So.

So essentially what a death doula is, is it's an emotional and spiritual caretaker to help with the process before the death.

Like planning a death, legacy work.

How do you want the ceremony to be?

The hospital room, et cetera.

Then you could be there during the active dying stage.

Helping the family, making sure the wishes are respected.

And then the third part of death doula work is the grief work.

So that loss after the loved one passes, really supporting the family left behind.

All right, now did you start there?

Where did your journey into spirituality and the work that you do, the yoga and when did that start?

Yeah, so I had a breakup.

I dated my high school sweetheart for five years and we ultimately broke up when I was 21.

And that just launched me into self help and I know so many others have as well.

And I just had no meaning of life.

I experienced depression for the first time.

I found a therapist.

I had never read a self help book in my life.

I didn't know what I believed.

My boyfriend was atheist.

So I was completely lost and shattered.

And I started my accounting internship that summer and just realized, like, is this really all there is to life?

Like, you work and you hate your job and you get home and you make a drink or smoke a bowl and that's kind of how we're passing our days.

I'm definitely, especially with accounting, is just putting numbers in boxes all day.

I can imagine it getting like really repetitive.

Yeah, there was just no meaning behind it.

And I like the connection.

I like human.

And yeah, I just, it found.

It felt purposeless.

But by the time that I started finding myself and getting into the self help journey, I was already three years into my college degree.

So then I really was like, well, I want to take this to the finish line.

And I rather just do the corporate path.

Keep chugging.

I didn't know what I wanted to do, but I knew accounting would help me start a business one day.

So I just said like, you know what, fuck it, like, this will take me to Denver.

I got my job out in Denver and I thought that was a huge blessing, so I continued on, but really knew that this was not my path.

Carol literally, Paul, Carol literally just described my life literally.

Like, she's my lot.

She's my long lost twin and she doesn't even know it.

I know, right?

And if she saw.

And if she saw my chart, she'd be like, okay.

That's why.

Well, she.

She doesn't know astrology.

No, I know, I know.

But Carol, she did.

I love that so much.

Yeah, well, I did before you stepped in.

I did tell her that she was in line a couple of months before you.

So you two share some aspects that are alike.

Yeah, no, we share a lot.

No, you literally.

Like, you, you just described from like from the high school Sweetheart to the 21 getting broken up to the three, three year into your degree.

All of that.

All of that.

I did all of that.

Everything, everything breakdown at 22, which was probably due to your, like right before your Jupiter return.

Same thing.

Yeah, everything.

Oh my gosh, I love it.

Yeah, that's amazing.

Now what part of the self help did you start first?

The yoga or the.

Yeah, so I did a few yoga classes in college.

Loved having my mat around.

But I would say the biggest thing was the books.

Like, I was so hungry for knowledge, especially not knowing what religion I wanted to be like.

I really just wanted to find an answer.

So that was definitely number one.

And then therapy, I just saw so many benefits from that and realizing what's toxic, what are boundaries, what's addiction.

So that really sparked the self help journey.

All my bookshelves are like just purely self help books.

My husband gets onto me all the time.

Like read something for fun.

And I'm.

This is fun.

I'm working on me.

I mean, it's hard, but I guess it would.

I wouldn't call it fun, but like this is purposeful.

Like this is what I want to do with my time.

Yes.

Evolution is sexy.

That's like the biggest thing.

I got in a lot of fights with my family this summer because it's like you don't want to evolve.

That is so hard for me to watch.

But also that's the spiritual journey of we know we're on our own path and we need to let others voluntarily evolve.

I like the acronym love let others voluntarily evolve to kind of.

Did you figure out what you believe?

Yeah.

So I'm a big believer in like nature and cycles and really just like the divine pulse of the universe.

And like that to me is spirituality just trusting that everything happens as it needs to.

But there's a time for everything.

Yeah.

Also taking ownership, like trying to recognize my privilege as a white woman and not spiritually bypassing and recognizing that that is a privilege to be where I am and making sure that I'm using my voice.

Here you go.

Paul's pulling up your chart right now.

Yeah, well, I was feel to be.

On a podcast with three astrologers.

I love it.

I was just gonna.

I was just gonna point out to D and Claudia.

You heard her say she's trying to figure out what she believes.

Yep.

Yo, I already.

I. Yeah.

You see this Saturn in Aquarius in the ninth house?

Yes.

Yeah.

Would you.

Would you to agree that that speaks to that statement?

Yes.

She's trying to find the structure of her ninth House, and it's in Aquarius being like.

But it's different.

She's unconventional from everybody else.

Yeah.

Her beliefs have to be way different than everybody else's.

Yes.

Would you agree with that, Caroline?

Yes.

I feel like I'm a contradiction.

I like going against the grain with a lot.

Yes.

Same girl.

Same.

I like that.

Aquarian energy is one of my favorites.

And actually, you guys, actually all three of us share some type of energy on this podcast.

I was noticing that a lot of that when you.

Caroline, your moon sign is Aries.

Yes.

And D and Claudia or Aries Rising.

Yeah.

I was noticing that Mars going retrograde, going back and forth over me and Claudia's rising is kind of doing the same thing with her moon to a little bit of a looser conjunction there.

Yeah.

Well, maybe you might want to explain what you mean that.

It's your podcast.

I'll let you do it.

You want to shoot for it.

Okay.

Would you.

Being with you being a Aries moon.

Mars is currently in Aries now, and it's retrograde.

And so you have been reviewing, going back some things, probably emotional ties that you have with friends and alliances and stuff like that.

That resonates a lot.

Yeah.

And.

And there could be some tension there a little bit.

Yeah.

I feel like I felt this a lot, maybe even a month, two months ago.

Right now, it feels more like reviewing family relationships, but I definitely.

Yeah, this resonates.

Yeah.

Now, one thing me and you share in common is our chart order.

I'm a Gemini rising, and you're a Gemini rising as well.

So our chart order is the same.

You also have Scorpio energy.

I'm a Scorpio moon.

You are a.

Your Mercury is in Sagittarius.

Claudia is a Sagittarius moon.

Yep.

And.

And D is a Gemini moon.

Yeah.

So.

No.

And.

And.

And she also has her moon in the 11th, where I have all these planets.

I have my moon in the ninth house.

She has her planets in the ninth house.

Like, she has planets in the eighth.

So do I. Yeah.

There's a lot of similarities here.

We're not here by coincidence, guys.

Right.

Divine timing.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Caroline had to.

Had to meet me right now because I'm going through the same thing.

D. Do you have.

Do you have Jupiter in Virgo as well?

Cancer.

Oh, it is.

Yeah.

Oh.

Oh.

So.

Oh, girl.

So.

So you're gonna.

You're gonna have an inheritance one day.

Oh, girl.

Oh, girl.

I don't know.

You know.

You know.

You know, Jupiter and Cancer is one of like, the most prominent placements.

You, You, You.

You can amass a lot of wealth.

I keep hearing a lot of.

Yeah.

That it's a lucky placement financially.

And being it's in my fourth house, we've had a lot of good luck with houses.

And not to say like, we own a castle now, but, like, we.

Every time we have sold, like, when we sold the trailer and when we sold our first house, we've been able to make out with more than what we paid for it.

So I'd say we're pretty lucky in that area of life.

That's amazing.

So that might mean every time you sell a property, you will find into the game.

So far, that has been.

That has held true.

Let's go.

Robert Kiyosaki.

Actually, have you.

Have you thought about real estate, Caroline?

I have.

I honestly am the worst driver.

This is a weird paranoia about real estate, but, like, the idea of finding a house, like, getting there, not knowing where to park, and having someone follow behind me, I just can't imagine.

All right, now.

Now, would you.

I got.

With you having three planets in Scorpio.

Is it.

Is it what I'm trying to say, is it obvious to Claudia and D. Is it obvious to you guys of her being an accountant?

Of her being an accountant?

Yes.

Yeah.

Especially in the sixth house.

Absolutely.

Yes.

She likes.

And those numbers have to be, like, lined up.

Yeah.

I guess I would associate that more with sixth house energy than Scorpio energy, but I can see how both of those being in the same place for.

Her.

Helped enable that for her to go to school for that and be really good at it.

Yeah.

Well, Scorpio.

Other people's money.

Yeah.

And.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

People's money.

Yeah.

And.

And the detective.

Yes.

Yep.

So we.

When you were doing your accounting, was you pretty anal about it?

Yes.

I had a boss tell me you need to start doing C level work.

Not A level work.

Basically, like, just do passing.

So, yes, I'm very OCD about numbers.

Yeah.

And probably your work ethic is probably hard for people to keep up with you.

Yeah.

Yeah, sometimes.

But honestly, I don't like working all the time.

I'm a projector in human design, so they say, like, four hours max a day.

So I like working when I'm excited about it, but I'm really not.

Like, I can't work all of the time.

Okay, well, that's not right here.

That's not what I mean.

That's not what I mean, though.

So you're a yoga instructor, right?

Yes.

Could.

How.

If you went all out, how many people could keep up with you?

Yeah, I guess not many.

I know a lot of people say, like, I show up pretty consistently on social media, and for me it's like fun and playful.

So I. I do see it as well.

No, exactly, exactly.

That's what I mean by extreme.

When you.

When you like your yoga class, if somebody.

If you went all out and did your yoga and somebody was next to you and tried to stay and do everything that you did, they would sit down before you would probably.

You probably don't notice that, but notice it next time.

So what type of yoga do you teach?

Yeah, I teach yin yoga.

It's like the chillest type.

So essentially you hold poses for five minutes.

So maybe like a butterfly stretch, like gym class, or legs open, like a V stretch.

So it's really to kind of relax the nervous system and drop into the body and cultivate quiet space for an hour.

What.

What's the difference between that yoga and.

So I.

Only yoga I've done is I did P90X one time, and they have a yoga day.

That's not yoga.

And that's the only yoga.

Hey, and let me tell you something.

That's extreme yoga.

Listen, listen.

Out of all the exercises on P90X, yoga was the one exercise that I sweated the most on.

And I tell people all the time, hey, yoga's not what you think.

It's not that easy.

It's super hard.

Yeah, probably the opposite of P90X.

So what you think the difference of that yoga that I was doing on P90 and your type of yoga.

Yeah, essentially that is just a much faster pace.

So you're constantly moving from pose to pose.

And the goal is more to be in the body and have a better workout.

So.

So.

And to strengthen the body.

So the yin yoga is really more about relaxing.

And I call it glorified stretching.

Yeah, I like that.

Glorified stretching.

Do you.

Are you into yoga?

Sorry, no, I was asking you, are you into yoga?

Oh, me?

Yeah, I. I've done yoga.

That's when I really, really got into it.

And I've done what she's talking about, the yin yoga.

Before, I was going to a studio who offered, like, different types of classes, and that was just one of the classes that I happened to show up to and they told me that I was stretching too much.

Like I wasn't relaxed enough.

Like, the teacher came over and, like, patted me on the back, and he was like, just let it go and, like, just fall into the stretch.

Like, it's like you're, like, almost asleep in each pose.

Is that a good explanation, Caroline?

Yes.

You're an overachiever.

D. I say a 4 out of 10 on the sensation scale is what you should feel.

So it's just like a nice, yummy stretch.

Nothing too hard because you are holding it for a few minutes.

So you don't want to constantly be moving.

Yeah.

Really happen.

And I think that, like, that was the first time I had taken a yin yoga class.

So I was used to the other type where, like, you're reaching for this stretch and they're like, no, just let it go.

I'm not used to this, but it was really helpful.

It really, like, I don't know, gets you to, like, focus on your breathing and, like, where in your body you're feeling the hurt or the uncomfortableness.

It was really cool.

I liked it.

Well, guess what, Dee?

You're in luck.

Guess why.

Why?

What are you doing tonight, Kara?

Yeah, right.

So every week I host virtual yin yoga.

You do?

You do?

Yes, I record it too, but it's donation based.

And it's 9pm Eastern typically every Wednesday night, so.

So if you follow me on Instagram, I update the schedule there.

I need to follow you on Instagram because I've been meaning to get better yoga class.

No, you can do it in bed.

I actually.

So that's how my business was started.

I started offering free yoga.

And the first class was bedtime with Caro.

So we did it from our beds, which is really fun.

This is my favorite person ever, Paul.

I told you.

I told you.

You.

You two probably gonna have a lot in common.

I get to work out in my bed.

That's all I've ever wanted in my life.

I know, right?

Coming from a Pisces.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All of my planets oppose her.

Well, my sun and moon oppose hers.

Yeah.

Her laziness is showing.

So I see you are into taboo.

Yes.

What do you mean?

But what do you mean by taboo?

Yeah, so taboos are just topics that deviate from social norms.

And so, you know, on dates, they're like, don't talk about money, don't talk about politics.

Basically, anything that's not dinner table conversation, I would say, is a taboo.

That's quite the Scorpio answer, by the way.

The taboo.

Yes.

Yes.

Well, well, we, we, when talking about this show and looking at Scorpio energy and we were trying to figure out the taboo stuff, we, our minds kind of ran wild.

I'm excited for any.

Well, too wild because it's Scorpio season.

Scorpio topics are death, taxes, death not as in dead six feet underground, but death as in transformation, taxes, sex and other people's money.

And so you kind of covering a lot of that gambit.

Yes.

Yeah.

She's been textbook Scorpio up until this point.

Yeah.

And, and then, and then if you look at, you know, Pluto being in your sixth house of transformation and work and stuff like that, you totally, you quit with sitting there with Mars there.

You quit your job and totally transformed what you were doing.

Yes.

How did that sit with your peers and family?

Yeah, I think it kind of triggers my family sometimes.

They don't really get.

Can come off as like attacking them, but they're pretty open minded.

I share a lot with all of them and with my peers.

They like it.

So I started doing Taboo Thursday on my Instagram stories this summer.

It just came to me.

I was like, oh, that would be fun to kind of showcase different taboo topics.

And I haven't stopped and now we're in October, so everyone, everyone seems to enjoy it.

But I definitely kind of know that maybe it's a little weird for people to see.

Well, I'm kind of interested.

What, what kind of like just one example of what you would put on a Taboo Thursday.

Yeah.

Story or just like on your.

Wait, that's tomorrow, right?

Third.

Yeah.

So what's tomorrow's story?

If you.

I honestly.

So I saved down Instagram posts throughout the week and then I just share anything.

So like it's not always just about sex on a Thursday.

It'll be anything taboo related.

So I appreciate that.

Yeah.

And I really like sharing just about like finance tips or like sex toys.

I have a lot of interesting friends.

Like one thing that a friend shared last week was deep throating for clearing your throat chakra, which I have.

What?

Yeah, I'm going to have to keep.

That one in mind for the next life.

Her name's Aubrey Rose and I don't think she's.

She's a Virgo.

But yeah, she posted this whole like story series on deep throating for the throat chakra.

And someone asked me if I had any more information.

I was like, honestly, I've never heard about this topic.

But like, talk to Aubry.

Yeah.

Okay.

So my cousin does.

My cousin does a feel good Fridays.

And she'll do literally just that.

She'll just put all these posts that make you feel really good and happy on Fridays.

It's pretty cool.

I like it.

I love that.

Caroline, since you brought it up, I have a question for you.

Ask away.

You have three planets in Scorpio.

You also have two planets in the Scorpio house, the eighth house, and one of the topics that comes with that is sex.

And me and Claudia was reading your profile and all that stuff, and we were wondering.

I love how he blames me.

No, I put it on me.

I brought it up.

And with your Mercury being in the seventh house of relationships and having all that Scorpio energy, I said, I wonder if she is an extremely sexual person.

And then Claudia said, I don't think so.

She might be.

I'll be honest.

I'll be honest.

And then I said, well, what?

Mercury being in seventh house, maybe she's approved, but in inside relationships, she, she may be into tantra.

Yes.

So can you, you might be after this conversation.

I don't, I don't know what I'm asking, but are you approved or are you into.

I, I, I think what Paul wants to know here is if you're the, the, if you're the type of, if you're like the textbook Scorpio, that's like, you know, most Scorpios are really known or viewed as like super, incredibly sexual creatures, you know, but because you have it, like you have all these planets in the sixth house.

And Virgo, which is like the sixth house is usually rules Virgo.

Virgo's the virgin.

So the virgin tends to be really prudish.

So I think he wants to figure out, like, how do you put like Scorpio energy in a really prudish sort of placement or whatever.

And so that's really the big question here.

It's like, how do these two combine?

Like, does it, like, does that energy play out only when you're in a relationship?

Or like, are you like more of like a super respectful and kind of like a very like private Scorpio, you know, that like, will only, you know, like engage on one.

On one.

Or if you're just kind of like,.

What did little John say?

I want a woman in a.

But a freak in the bed.

Exactly, exactly.

Like, like in the sheet.

Yeah.

Or like, or if you actually, or in the past, if you ever did have that scorpionic energy where you kind of just, you know, like went all crazy.

Yeah, no, these are great questions.

So I would definitely say I Have like a high sex drive for sure.

And I'm not really a prude, but I'm trying.

But not with just, but not with just everyone.

Right?

Yeah, I'm very picky.

Like I won't just sleep with anybody.

Like I definitely.

There you go, There you go.

That's the, that's the, that's the, the, the, the sixth house energy.

Because, because most Scorpios, I mean, I don't want to, I don't want to generalize this but, but Scorpio energy really is, does have a high sex.

Right.

But depending on where you place it, like they could either, you know, kind of share that, that, that drive with everyone they meet or anyone or just, you know, reserve it for that like, very special person.

Yeah, no, it's definitely an attraction thing.

And I have nothing against a one night stand.

I'm usually just in a mood.

Like if I'm traveling, I'm like, oh, I'm in a mood to sleep with someone to night and then sometimes it'll happen.

But yeah, I'm very picky.

I've only had really like three boyfriends and I'm almost 29, so I'm pretty selective.

Do you have something against relationships?

How do you, how do you feel about relationships?

I love relationships.

I kind of idolize them too much.

And I'm definitely the kind of person who's like, once I find this guy, then my life will be great.

And, and people get upset for me about that.

But yeah, I love relationships.

I think that's one of the most satisfying things.

And I definitely want to have a family and I think that's caused a lot of depression for me, like being in that weird place of not really knowing what my career was going to be and then wanting to build a family.

So I think the 20s have been kind of a distressing decade, but in a good way.

I always just wanted to be older and have, have kids.

Well, well, okay.

But, but the ruler of the ninth house.

Well, typically the ruler of the ninth house would be Jupiter, right.

Which is in your fourth house, which deals with your family.

And then they like come with that idea of family, you know, so.

So there is that potential of settling down for sure.

Yeah.

Or you could end up with someone who is foreign.

That's when you say that.

Because I'm obsessed with foreigners.

Like there you go.

My ex is from Israel and I like literally love him so much.

So I love foreign people.

I always say that.

Dual passport.

Yeah.

Well, your house, your seventh house of relationships is Sagittarius.

Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter and Jupiter, Sagittarius and Jupiter.

Or Sagittarius loves travel to foreign lands, philosophy, higher learning, that type of stuff.

So remember I text you and I say, hey, you're a Scorpio, but you think like a Sagittarius.

Yes.

That's where all the traveling comes from.

That's.

And the pioneering aspect that you show that warrior spirit comes from your moon.

You are being an Aries moon.

It gives you the confidence and the guts to go on out there where others may weather at the vine.

Interesting.

Yeah, I do feel like I have a lot of confidence in that regard.

I struggle a lot with like worthiness, like feeling worthy and feeling left behind and.

But with confidence, like posting on social media, self promoting, like it's pretty easy for me.

That's interesting.

The, the.

She's got, that.

She's got a Venus moon opposition.

Yes.

In the fifth.

So yeah, that worthiness, that word that you just used, like goes so well with that placement.

Wow.

Well, which leads me to this question.

You, you had a accountant job for Big four, right.

Is it safe to say that you are making less now than you did with that?

Oh yeah, 100%.

Like I just hit 10k with my business for revenue, but yeah, with profit.

I've made maybe a few grand this year.

And then I do freelancing as well.

But traveling, I was on kind of a shoestring budget, so I had to kind of flip the script from making a lot in corporate and then not really caring at all about money.

But then on the other side, starting a business like you, you do need to make money and support yourself.

So that's definitely kind of been a challenge that I've worked through.

That's why I was, that's what I was about to say ask you, where are you at with that?

So basically.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Before you answer that, Claudia, that probably would be.

Would be the moon Venus opposition.

That.

What I'm sorry,.

Maybe matter of fact D too.

Would you Say that is the Moon.

The Moon, Venus opposition.

I, I think it, I think it could be, but I would, I would, I, I would think about it a little bit more like with love, really, like, like in terms of like her love life and stuff like that as well.

But it's T squaring is.

Look at is it has the T square going to the 8th, from the moon to the, the 8th, which, which.

Where is the release for the T square?

Yeah.

So how the.

This is friends, humanitarian efforts.

Caroline 11th.

This is Kids hobbies, short love, relationships and creativity.

This is pretty much your corporate job.

Yep.

And the release of all of that would be second house, worthiness, value and security.

Yeah.

So you are having to find a balance between this, this is a tug of war here and you having tension here and here, and basically the release of that is here.

What does that mean?

How are you dealing with making less money?

I really don't mind it at all.

I think it's just making sure that I'm making enough money to support myself.

So what I've done is I just create like a monthly budget and figure out what are my baseline expenses.

Expenses like rent, food, and making sure my freelance job can cover that and then calling in like, I'd love to make five grand a month just to make sure I'm investing and donating and doing all the fun stuff.

So just really being clear with the numbers and having QuickBooks with the business, I think is an important place to start for me.

I have a, I have, I think I have an.

I think I have an answer to this.

Paul.

That tornado that just went all over your like, front lawn type of thing.

You know, it went, it went from transiting your, your.

Your moon, which was.

It was transiting it for, for seven years, for a really long time.

So you probably had a lot of different changes with your friends or like with, with groups of people or organizations.

It just struck into like the section of your chart that deals with spirituality.

But Taurus rules the second house, so that those feelings of like, worthiness or whatever, I think, I think, I'm not sure you could tell me if this is right or wrong.

I think that probably you've had to work on that through your, your finding like spirituality or you finding, you know, like you mentioned earlier that you, you feel like the universe Is.

Is.

Is like, you know, you believe in pulse of the universe and in nature and.

And that's what you love.

Right.

A little bit more of a clear understanding with.

With the whole, like, the whole, you know, feelings of worthiness or whatever, but that connection of, like, you know, you know, going out and, like, being in nature or finding the spiritual, the spirituality within you probably has helped that a lot.

Am I right or am I, like, not quite there yet?

Like, I took a sober sabbatical and found a counselor and found kind of my last job in accounting.

But I feel like worthiness has come up for the business.

Like, it came up when I had a business coach say, okay, how are you going to map out 100k a year?

And I was like, I don't want to make 100k.

But then as you do, the numbers, like, what your business is making is not your owner's paycheck.

So kind of like figuring out how small business works and how it can support myself and being comfortable with charging prices.

Oh, that.

That.

That's definitely been one of my.

Knowing the value of the service that you're offering.

Yes.

And feeling like I have zero value to offer sometimes, like, it's hard to define in monetary terms for me, like, thinking about it.

Well, you speak.

You speaking to the choir, because how do you set a price for a dream interpretation?

How do you set a price for an astrology reading?

You know?

Yeah.

How do you.

How do you set a price for something that comes from spirit?

Definitely.

And.

And when it's something you enjoy doing anyway.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think pricing it based off the transformation, but I do think it's harder in the middle of a pandemic.

For me.

I know.

For me, it's like pricing things out and thinking about how would people pay for this and who will pay for it and all of those questions.

So it's a really interesting lesson.

Are you going to not be able to travel as much?

Yeah.

So I moved to Las Vegas this month, and I would love to always have an apartment here and just use this as my hub.

But I kind of planned on no more international travels as long as Covid is happening.

But I really wanted to live in Amsterdam this summer, so I feel I'd love to go back there whenever I can.

Wow.

The land of taboos.

How many places?

How many places have you been?

I've been.

I think it's Seven countries.

But I'm not really, like, a country counter.

Like, I don't really care.

I like dropping into a place, like, staying there for a few weeks, staying at hostels, having conversations at dinner tables.

So.

Hey.

Oh, by the way, she did a lot of this alone.

Yes.

Yeah.

She's a solo traveler.

You talk about Aries Moon.

That's amazing.

That's amazing, though.

That's amazing.

And you know what?

I actually know a girl on Instagram that has monetized her lifestyle, her solo traveling lifestyle.

Her.

Her account is called My Life is a Travel Movie, I believe.

And she just did it.

One day.

She.

She quit her corporate job.

She's like, I want to travel.

This is what I love.

You know?

Pretty sure she's a sag.

And now she has a blog, and she just.

She travels all over the world solo, as a female, to prove that, you know, there are certain.

Like, she.

She does talk about, you know, taking precautions, stuff like that, But.

But she.

Her thing is, like, look, I'm proving that, like, as a woman, I could see still travel alone, and, like, it's not that, like, big and scary type of thing, you know, like, there's safety measures that you can take.

So.

Wonderful girl.

I love it.

I love solo travel.

And, like, I went to Mexico and felt really safe there, and a lot of people were worried, so kind of doing the thing anyway is important.

Wait, you went to Mexico doing the whole cartel thing?

Yeah, I went last year.

It was fine.

Mexico always has a cartel.

They respect tourism there a lot, so they don't really mess up with anyone.

It was really safe place.

I wanted to show.

I wanted to bring this up the day you quit.

You quit on September 4, right?

Yes, that was my last day.

All right, now, do y'.

All.

Does anything stand out to you guys on this chart?

This is the transit of the day she quit.

Anything standing out to you guys?

Well, I mean, Jupiter was right on top of her.

Mercury.

In the 7th.

All right.

Yeah, yeah, in the 7th.

Saturn was right on top of Uranus.

Right on top.

Right on top.

She was like, I've had it.

Did you quit?

Because, like, your boss says something to you?

Basically, I was trying to transfer departments, and then I kind of ultimately got, like, pushed out of accounting, so.

So it was kind of like a buildup over the summer.

So watch this.

You quit and then you went and traveled, right?

Yes, I took a plane, like, the next day.

Yeah.

So look, she has.

They had a stallion in Virgo that day on Jupiter over her natal Jupiter.

And And Mercury.

Her.

Mercury's in Sagittarius.

Right.

And.

And what.

What is Sagittarius?

Long distance travel freedom.

Yeah, but long distance travel, Right.

And that day she quit her job.

And matter of fact, look where the.

Moon is right on top of her son.

And.

Which is right there with Mars and Pluto.

Yeah.

So you.

He just.

You just got up and you left.

You're like, I'm done here.

What am I even doing?

This is stupid.

Let's go.

Next.

Yeah, and then she went on a long distance journey.

That's crazy.

Amazing.

Now, now watch this.

You can't make this stuff up.

No, Remember I asked you.

Hey, what.

What day did you decide?

Yeah.

August 21st.

I declined.

I got another offer at my company in another department and I ended up declining it on this day.

Yeah.

So check out where the moon is in the 12th house on a day.

On the day she decided.

Look, Mars.

Mars was by her Jupiter.

Conjunct her natal Jupiter and squaring her natal Mar.

Uh, Mercury.

Wow.

Yeah.

And this was.

This was the day that.

This was with.

This was before.

This is before she quit.

Got it.

The day she.

And I didn't show you this.

But if you look at perfections year, right.

From the Ascendant.

From the ascendant.

She was on a Mercury year, but if you look at perfections from the set set light, she's a night birth.

So that'd be the moon.

Right.

When she quit, she was on the moon year, right.

And the day she.

When she decided to quit, look at months.

She was in.

Aries.

Mars.

Mars.

And where is Mars in her chart?

And the six daily job.

And so when the moon was opposite her stuff in the sixth house, she said.

What did you say?

What did you say?

The 12th house is endings.

She was like, I'm done with it.

I'm done with this.

And it took another couple of weeks until to manifest.

Yeah.

For her to pull the trigger.

Now you asked me a question, Caroline.

He was like, wow, How'd you pick that date?

Well, let me show you something.

You see that date right there?

Yes.

What sign do you see?

Aries.

Right?

Aries, ruled by Mars rules Mars.

Okay.

Mars in your 6th House of Daily work and routine.

That's so cool.

Yeah.

It was crazy how you predicted the quit date.

Yeah.

So on that day, you decided, I'm done with this.

And then the moon kept moving around.

And then when it got to.

When it got to your sixth house.

Wait, hold up.

When it finally got to the sixth house, You said, I'm done and then.

And then on the next day, boom, it be.

It was conjunct Jupiter and Mercury, and you took off on a long trip, and it's square her fourth.

So she left home and went on a trip.

Long trip.

Y' all see how I'm putting that together?

Yeah, yeah, I see it.

I see it.

You see that, D?

All right.

What do you think about that, Caroline?

Yeah, I believe it's all set up in the stars.

I think it's cool that it all makes sense.

All right, well, that was the little fun I wanted to have today.

You've been waiting for that?

Yeah, I've been waiting for that.

So basically, what I was showing you, Caroline, is it was pretty much about time for you to say, I'm done, and make a complete transformation.

Not to mention that you have it in you to be a boss girl.

Like, you have it in you to be a boss.

Don't ever forget that.

It's right there in your chart.

Yeah, she just has to make amends with this.

Yeah.

And.

And she.

And she also has to, you know, understand that, like, you.

You require freedom in your life.

Like, a lot of freedom.

A lot.

A lot of freedom.

Right.

So, like, it's gonna be hard to go back to, like, somebody telling you what to do.

Yes, But.

But in all actuality, you see, this north.

North node is kind of like, yeah,.

We have the same north node.

Her and I have to make people that, too.

Yeah, yeah.

But.

But you need to do something.

And I was about to ask her if.

If she sees it now, even though you are working for yourself, doing your own thing, do you see that you still need to bring some of that corporate structure and bring it into your business, your own business?

Yeah.

I think I struggle with spreading myself too thin, and then if I have nothing on the calendar, not getting anything done, so it helps me to have, like, a lot of appointments, even if.

It's just with myself.

So I don't know if that answered your question.

I actually do the same thing.

I'm not gonna lie.

Like, the calendar and that has nothing in it that I freak out.

But, like, I'll just put things in it.

I'm like, okay, at least I'm getting something done.

Yes.

I love that.

Okay, let me restructure the question.

Let me ask you this.

How do you feel about success?

Yeah, I think it's hard for me because, like, I quantify success by the quality of my relationships.

And so I think it's hard sometimes running a business because I'm not really motivated by Money, besides to survive.

So definitely, like, believing I'm worthy of a successful life is something I still am working on.

What would success be to you?

Success, I just think, like, when you can go to bed at the end of the night and just say you have a good day, and not being free of anxiety and worry and leaving behind a legacy, something where you're helping serve and love on people.

Like, that's definitely what I want the focus of my business to be.

I love that answer.

Boom.

I've been having to reconcile my issues with success, too, because for me, like, for a really long time, I felt like success was measured by how much money I had in my account or, you know, by how great I was doing at my corporate job or whatever, you know, and you.

Sometimes you gotta flip it, because money, you can't take that to the grave.

Yeah, exactly.

You really can't.

You can only take, you know, what you've done, like, or what.

What you've accomplished or what you feel like, what has made you feel super fulfilled and.

And.

And purposeful.

Really.

Wait, success is not a bank account.

Nope.

Like, my.

My inner child used to think that success, you know, was based off of, like, money.

But as.

As I get older, and.

And I realize that you can always get a material object, you know, like, you can.

And.

And once you get it, it's like, okay, I have it now.

What?

You know, like, the novelty of it runs away.

Like.

Like wears off.

And then you're like, whatever.

Like, this is stupid.

You know, definitely, we keep.

Like we can keep reaching and reaching forever.

Yeah.

Yeah, you can keep it.

And then what I've realized also, or rather what I'm.

What I'm learning right now is that once I no longer want that.

That thing, it just.

Poof, immediately comes to me.

I'm like, wow.

But, like, I had to get to the point that I didn't want it anymore, you know, and then here it is, like, parked in my driveway.

Yes, the detachment.

Yeah, it really is.

It's hard.

It's.

It's not easy, but.

But it's.

It's all a learning process.

But actually, I have a question for you because I. I know that you're a death doula, and I'm not sure if we spoke about this already, but is there, like, something specific that.

That is required to.

To carry, like, a title like that, or is there like a. I don't know, something that.

That.

That.

That you need in order to.

To perform something?

I'm not quite sure how it works.

Really?

Yeah, that's a great question.

So there's a few programs online.

But essentially it was like a month long course on Zoom.

And typically it's a live class and you would meet multiple times a week and do like visualization exercises, self care, learn about the signs of dying, and then you can go on and get certified and have a certain numbers of hours in hospice if you'd like.

But with COVID a lot of people have had trouble with that because you can't get into hospice.

I'm not a huge fan of certifications.

Like, I don't really care about them.

So for me, I'm not pursuing right now.

So, yeah, it's pretty accessible.

I do have a feeling as it gets more popular, it might become more regulated.

But you're not a medical professional, so you have to, with your client that you're more there as an.

Right.

So.

So that was, that was my, my question.

I think I probably, like, didn't word that correctly.

My mercury doesn't.

Mercury retrograde right now is kicking my ass.

But, so, yeah, so.

So you're.

The process is basically like you're.

You're helping someone, right?

Like, you're kind of helping them let go.

Like, like in the final days.

Are you there when they take their last breath?

Yeah.

So, like, you can focus on whatever, whatever area you want.

For me, like right now, I don't.

Want to be with someone on their last breath.

I focus on grief.

But there are plenty of doulas who are there to plan and then be there with them on their last days and be with the family.

It's essentially like a psychedelic trip.

Like, you help, like, set the set and setting.

Like, do people need to say before entering the room what music is playing?

Is there incense?

Are there candles?

Are there blankets?

So you're really just like setting up.

The space and making it a beautiful ritual.

That's what your client wanted.

That's that.

Listen, let me tell you something that's amazing.

I spoke to my mom a couple of months ago about this because I don't know if you've.

If you've heard of this pod.

It's like a visual podcast, it's on Netflix called the Midnight Gospel.

Yes, I've seen that.

Yay.

Okay, great.

So you already know.

Did you watch all of it in its entirety?

I honestly didn't love it, but I.

Watched the first and the last episodes.

The last episode is gold.

It's key and it has a lot to do with death.

He speaks about death a lot.

And, and I think part of the reason why he even wrote the show was because he was having a really hard time reconciling with like the death.

His mom had cancer and she was going to die, and it was really hard.

And, and he, he goes, he goes really hard on, on how the death industry is like a thing now because, you know, back in the day, people would die on their beds regularly, you know, like, like, and it would take the, it would be like a three day thing.

The whole family would come to visit you, like, and, and, and, and you know, after the body, you know, after you were dead, like, like they would still maintain you on the bed and, and, and they would mourn over your body and it wasn't in a casket and take you to the funeral home.

No, everything was done sort of like in this ceremonial type of way, like in your own home.

And, and part of, and the whole why I mentioned Midnight Gospel is because he, he kind of, you know, he, he brings up the topic as how like we've lost that, we've lost that touch of like when somebody dies, it's kind of like, okay, put them in a box, ship them off, you know, like, you don't, you don't do that whole ritual of like, you know, cleaning the home and, and, and having the family and making sure that everything has kind of like, like left with the soul, you know, with the spirit.

And, and I found that.

So I, I found so much depth in it.

And I spoke to my mom about it because she, she also reminded me, she's like, yeah, like, that used to happen a lot.

Now you just, you go to a funeral home and then you go to the cemetery and that's it.

But you thinking about doing it?

Yeah.

Are you thinking about, are you thinking about being a death doula?

Well, as a Pisces, the topic of death, I'm not gonna lie, fascinates me.

And, and I could say that ever since I was a child, I've been thinking about death.

Not in a morbid sort of way or like, oh, I, I want to die or anything like that, but it's, it's so, it's as important as, as giving as, as when you're, when you, when you're born.

When my dad died, I was talking to the funeral director.

She, well, she, her family owned the cemetery.

She was a Pisces.

I, I actually thought of, of only a cemetery once or like a funeral home, the funeral home maybe not so much anymore.

But to me, like, I realized that we don't give death that importance anymore, or I don't know if as a society or as.

As a human kind, whatever we ever did, I think maybe, like, back in the day, we did, but now somebody dies, and you're just like, you mourn for, you know, a day or two, and then you just put it.

You.

You write an Instagram post about it, and then you just put it in the back of your mind and you just go on with your life.

And you forget that you have to go through a process.

You have to grieve.

You have to, you know, like, it's.

It's.

It's a whole process.

Just like when a kid is born like you, it's not like, you know, like, I mean, well, we do take the kid home right away, but still, like, I don't know, I guess we've lost touch with, like, a lot of ceremonial rituals, especially around the topic of death.

Do you get to talk to the person that's done?

Yeah.

So as a death doula, you are contacting your client and their family.

And I asked about that.

How does it work to get hired?

Is it the person who's dying reaches out or their family member?

And usually it's both.

But I do think, kind of going back to what clients Claudia was saying, with death, we avoid it.

Even the term yolo, you only live once.

It's like we just don't want to think about it.

And a huge thing with reconciling death is creating your own meaning.

So creating the show a minute gospel, that's creating meaning for him.

So I think that's really important to know.

It takes work to grieve, and it's a process, and there are no timelines.

And the five stages of grief are actually for the people dying.

It was not for the people left behind.

So it's not like you have five steps.

People always say that, like, oh, it's denial, anger, bargaining.

What are the two?

So denial, anger, bargaining.

Maybe acceptance is the last one.

Yeah, I forget the fifth, but people.

I think acceptance is the fifth, right?

There's one before acceptance.

Yeah, maybe.

All right, so I. I heard a.

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.

I heard an interview of this lady, and she wrote a book, and I wonder if you.

The book was.

Five or ten wishes of the dead of the dying.

No regrets.

Regrets.

It might be regrets or wishes.

And do you.

Do you ask any of those, your clients, that?

Yeah, So I typically work with people grieving.

I go on guidance Support calls for that.

So it's usually will have a lot of guilt with their family members who have passed away.

But I'm not talking to someone who.

Is about to die.

Oh, that's.

That's what I was wondering if you would talk to any people that's about to die.

No, I haven't yet because I just.

Got trained in April.

So I would like to start out focusing on grief, and then if I could get into active dying, that would be great.

I just feel like the world's depressing enough right now that I don't know if I can handle.

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

So you.

You.

You don't really.

You don't want to be in a room when they actually taking their last birth?

I don't right now, but I usually change my mind quickly.

Yeah.

I'm also not a medical person.

Like, I get really freaked out by medical stuff and things being weird, so I feel like I would just not really like it.

Do you have a strong intuition?

I think it's getting louder, but I feel like a lot.

I. Yeah, I don't always feel it.

Oh, all right.

All right, definitely.

But, but, but you know what I think?

I. I don't know if you.

Based on her.

On her chart pause, because she has her personal planets in the 6, but the 12 is like the opposing.

Right.

So the 12 would be death.

Right.

Do you see that, Paul?

Yeah,.

Because I, I would.

I would think, like, I. I know you're a Scorpio, and Scorpio is.

Yeah, I know all about, like, death or whatever, but in the 12th house, like, you deal with endings and you deal with death a lot.

So I think it.

I think it makes a lot of sense that you chose to become a death doula.

That's really cool.

So what do you have going on?

What do you have coming up?

What do you.

I mean, do you.

What do you want to talk to us about?

Is there anything you want to present us?

Hmm.

I guess.

Like, how do you get started in astrology?

I'm sure this could be another podcast episode, but how do you kind of move on from just knowing your sun moon rising?

And how do you dive deeper into this world?

Work?

You wanna.

You wanna answer that, Paul, or you want me to answer?

Do yourself a favor.

Find another avenue.

Don't do it.

I'm kidding.

I'm kidding.

I'm not.

Because, man, this is a rabbit hole.

I. I will say this.

I. I got into astrology because, like, like, you mentioned your story at 21.

I got out of a five year relationship that I thought was my entire life, my whole life was planned out for me.

It was like, you know, I had, I had that, that path set up by my family, my parents.

And at 21, you know, like my life really changed.

That relationship changed me.

And it was the first time that I could actually say like, oh wow, you know, like I'm on my own.

Who am I now, right?

And somebody actually introduced me to astrology.

Like they talked to me about the moon, moon signs and stuff like that.

And then they're like, oh, you never read your chart?

And I was like, no, I, I haven't.

And so they pulled it up for me and cafe astrology had like a 17 page dissertation and I was lost.

Like I didn't know like who I was, right?

So I, I just read that 17 pages and I was like, this is impossible.

That 17 pages could denote me like this better than my mother can, you know.

And after that I just went really, really into research.

Like non stop research.

And to a certain extent I feel like astrologers like kind of get to a point where they want to disprove like the science behind it, that they're like, no, like this can't be it, you know, so I've had moments where I'm like, this isn't real, like there's no way.

But time and time again it just, it shows me that like it is to the table.

It's crazy.

How about you D?

You got any recommendations for Caroline?

You think she should get into astrology?

I think everyone should be into astrology.

I think people should at least know their own chart.

I found that it's helped me a lot to know my own chart and like, oh, that's why I do this or that's why I do that.

And even comparing my chart to my spouse's like sinistry stuff, like it helps me understand him more.

Like, oh, well, his Venus is here and mine is, he has a, he has a fire sign Venus, I have a Capricorn Venus.

So it's like hot and cold, you know, like this is the way his love language is.

This is my love language, stuff like that.

It's just like little things.

I think everybody should know at least their own chart.