“I’ve been in sales, leadership, and management. I ran a crew and was a laborer on a job site before. Over the last 12 years, I’ve experienced everything in residential construction. There’s a lack of transparency and communication breakdowns we could all avoid if we had the right systems in place and people were on the same page.”
- Ron Nussbaum, Co-Founder/CEO of Nuttnest
Communication makes life tick. We clear things up, set expectations, misunderstand each other, cause problems, waste time, and make life-changing decisions.
Like any other avenue, construction and remodeling rely on clear communication between both parties. The homeowner wants dates, times, and reassurance, while the contractor needs a way to show their vision, schedule work, and provide updates.
The current solution is a fragmented mess of social media, phone calls, and text messages that often miss the mark.
Nuttnest proposes a hub for effortless communication above everything. Will they deliver? How will it work for your company?
Topics discussed in this interview:
- Ron’s background in construction
- Construction’s public perception
- Taking an active role in redefining communication
- Developing a central platform for contractor-customer interaction
- Designing an accessible app for all
- The story behind the name
- Who is Nuttnest for?
- How far along is Nuttnest?
Learn more about Nuttnest at: https://www.nuttnest.com/
Connect with Ron on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ron-nussbaum/
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Ron Nussbaum:
:What I notice and what I have seen, and deal with all too often, is just a lack of transparency and communication breakdowns that could all be avoided if we had the right systems in place and people were on the same page. The root of most of the other complaints is a communication breakdown at some point in time, and I think people are just tired of that being the status quo in the construction industry.
Todd Miller:
:Welcome to the Construction Disruption podcast, where we uncover the future of building and remodeling. I'm Todd Miller of Isaiah Industries, a manufacturer of specialty metal roofing and other building materials. Today, my co-host is one of my coworkers, Ethan Young. Ethan, how are you doing today?
Ethan Young:
:I'm doing pretty good today, Todd. How about you?
Todd Miller:
:I'm doing well. And of course, we're recording this on a Friday afternoon, so I'm ready for the weekend. And well, next week, along with several others, I will be heading out to the METALCON show. And of course, by the time this podcast is published, METALCON will have been history a couple of weeks, but that's kind of a cool trade show. It's going to be in Indianapolis this year, and it's a show that focuses on metal and construction, metal roofing, wall panels, building panels, all types of things. Solar is a big part of it, so I'm looking forward to it. It seems like every time coming out of COVID, we have another show, a few more of us are able to attend and it's just good catching up and seeing people again. So I got that to look forward to this weekend, my trip to Indianapolis. So I'm excited about today's episode of the show. And thank you everyone for tuning in. Today's guest is Ron Nussbaum. Ron is co-founder and CEO of Nuttnest. Ron walked in the shoes of a construction contractor and home services provider for a lot of years and as a natural visionary and leader. As Ron walked through that path as a construction contractor, he knew that there had to be a way to sort of change the mindset surrounding construction and develop a system that would help improve communication, allow contractors and service providers to focus more on what they do best, which is their actual product and service, and at the same time create a great experience for customers. So I'm anxious to hear about Nuttnest today Ron. Thank you so much for joining us and looking forward to this conversation.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Hey, thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here. And thank you for the invitation to come spend some time with you guys.
Todd Miller:
:Oh, fantastic. Well, let's get rolling here. Oh, one thing I do want to mention, I sometimes forget.
Ethan Young:
:Good catch.
Todd Miller:
:Just so our guests know this, we have each been given a challenge word. So the three of us each have a word that we're challenged to work into our conversation at some point so listeners can be listening for words that they think, Gosh, that's an interesting word choice. But anyway, we each have a challenge word, and at the end of the show we will report back our success or lack thereof in saying our challenge words. So Ron, I'd like to talk a little bit as we talk about the importance of what you're doing today, because I realized that what you've developed was really driven out of the life that you led previously in your career path. So I'm kind of curious. Tell us about your days as a contractor and home services provider and what you did.
Ron Nussbaum:
:So I spent four years in the Marine Corps. I'm originally from Akron, Ohio, and I ended up in Michigan when I got out of the Marine Corps because that's where my wife was from and she wanted to move back to where her family was at. And when I was looking for that transition or what was going to be the next step. I ended up in residential construction and I had never thought of anything prior to that from the construction aspect. I worked on cars, but I had never swung a hammer and actually worked on a job site and I responded to an ad for a foreman and training position and I figured, Hey, I'm a United States Marine. There's no reason why I can't go do this. And that started my journey through residential construction, where I've done everything from digging the holes to help running the company and growing an operations and installation department along my way. So, I mean, I've been in sales, I've been in leadership and management, I've been out running a crew and I've been a laborer on a job site before. So I really have over about the last 12 years sat in every seat that you can possibly sit on when it comes to residential construction.
Todd Miller:
:Well, that's that would certainly give you the knowledge and the history and the background to be able to do where you've gone from there. And by the way, thank you very much for your service to our country as a marine. We are very appreciative of that. So thank you.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Thank you. I appreciate it.
Todd Miller:
:So as you walk that path as a contractor and, you know, home building and various things you were involved in, and what were some of the things that frustrated you during that time that maybe made you kept thinking, gosh, there has to be a better way to do this?
Ron Nussbaum:
:So I have a big problem, which is kind of the the reputation and the mindset around the construction industry. I just don't believe we get a fair shake. There's a bad reputation, just a bad mindset. And it's not because we're bad people. It's the best people I've ever met and been around my entire life, all from the construction industry and these companies are the backbone of the United States. So I would say that my biggest beef with the industry is the reputation that we let proceed before us and we let that mindset kind of circulate that we're not as effective businesspeople. We're not as effective at anything because we're in the construction industry and we just take that with a grain of salt when that's not true at all. The best operators, some of the best accountants and some of the best business people I have ever met have been in the construction industry, and I don't think we should get a bad rap because of the industry that we're in.
Ethan Young:
:Yeah, I can say from at least experience or family member's experience, there are people you know, there are contractors that are bad eggs, but I do think they kind of ruin it for everyone else. You know, it doesn't you know, just one bad experience doesn't have to mean that the whole array of people is just completely, you know, not worth doing business with or, you know, like you said, this awful perception that people have. So I do think, you know, probably the easier a barrier of entry makes it. So you have more people coming in and more possibility for that. But I do think it is unfair ultimately, to kind of paint everybody with the same brush.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Yeah, I think we let that happen. We, that's kind of like the status quo. So we're like, all right, whatever it is, what it is, when I think we should be taking the bull by the horns on this and saying, Hey, I understand you might have had a bad experience, but I'm here to not deliver a bad experience. That's not what I'm here to do and start to create a dialog where we're moving the ball in the right direction.
Todd Miller:
:So what are some of those things as a property owner or a customer in this relationship, what are some of the things that you think lead them to that level of frustration where they just want to say, okay, I'm done with these folks. They're all just not gonna, not here to help me. What are some of the things they run into that caused that level of frustration?
Ron Nussbaum:
:What I noticed, and what I have seen, and deal with all too often is just a lack of transparency and communication breakdowns that could all be avoided if we had the right systems in place and people were on the same page. And I think that's what you hear 90%, over 90% of customer complaints, it's never it was the crew was bad or the guys were bad or I hated the work. That's the small complaints that end up happening. The root of most of all the complaints is a communication breakdown at some point in time, and I think people are just tired of that being the status quo in the construction industry.
Todd Miller:
:Well, that's interesting. So as you thought about this and you walked that path as a contractor, I think it sounds like your ideas for Nuttnest began to germinate. And as I understand it, Nuttnest is an app for contractors that is designed to sort of transform that whole customer service experience and end those types of frustrations. Can you give us sort of an overview of the app and what it can do for both contractors and for property owners?
Ron Nussbaum:
:Yeah, absolutely. So for a homeowner, it's a download mobile app that you have right on your phone and this is where you run your project through now. So when you're dealing with a contractor that's on the Nuttnest platform, you go right in there, you can see your live feed. I'd say it's like a Facebook, Instagram feed right there, what your project is. So any of the communication that you've had throughout any of the documents, pictures. When are people coming out? That kind of stuff is right there. So it's visible for you to be able to see. But where the magic happens from a customer perspective and a contractor perspective is that, say you have a question about scheduling. One of the biggest problems we have is that sales rep or that builder or contractor that was out at your house originally and got the job scheduled, he can't answer those questions afterwards. And that leads us down the road of the, Hey I'm not the guy phone calls that customers do not want to make. So it's through the Nuttnest platform that customer can reach out to the person at that company that's in charge of scheduling and get an answer to that question. And I have what I call and what I require is one-call solutions. I don't want a situation where guys are not the guy, Hey, I have to go talk to Bob and then you get caught at the coffeepot and the customer never hear back from anybody. So what we create is a singular platform where that customer has direct lines of communication to the right people at the company, and then for the contractor we create that centralized place where that communication is happening. So no longer do you have emails, text message, phone calls, Facebook messages, Whatsapp. I mean, there's so many different ways that people communicate nowadays that if you're not clear with, this is how we're going to do it and have a system and platform in place, it can be a complete disaster and that's where the breakdowns happen. So we allow that contractor, the home service provider, to have all that and a singular point where now they can go in there and look at each project. They can see what that communication looked like throughout the project. If there was problems, if there wasn't problems, they know exactly what's being said and who's in charge of that stuff. So as being the builder or the contractor, you're the one dictating who's talking to your customers about what and controlling that conversation that's happening.
Todd Miller:
:I'm curious, how did your experience as a marine sort of lead itself to this development in these ideas?
Ron Nussbaum:
:And so that's funny that I get that question a lot because, you know, you end up in some hectic communication. I mean, I was in the infantry and were trained to learn how to communicate when there is a lot of problems. But one thing the military is known for is pretty bad communication, you know, like kind of that telephone game, which happens in the construction industry as well. I think a lot of that set me off to be the person that could come with the solution. My time in the Marine Corps and the development there positioned me to be somebody that would think outside the box on how we can make something better.
Todd Miller:
:That's very good. So it's very much that attitude of, Hey, we can solve this.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Yeah, absolutely.
Ethan Young:
:I have to say, from my, I've spent probably more time than most people reading reviews from contractors and, you know, different providers just as part of my job. But communication is one of those big things that I see that comes up over and over and over, which just they said they were going to be here. They weren't here. They they showed up and we didn't know they were going to be here. You know, there's all kinds of these problems that show up. So I think tackling that is very admirable. My question, I guess, would be I don't know how far along you are with the app exactly. But as for adoption, I'm just thinking of people like, I don't know, maybe my grandparents. Do you have a plan for like helping people that might struggle, like learning to use the mobile app or helping, you know, kind of a user friendly, I guess. I'm not sure exactly what the question is, but just your plans on adoption.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Okay. So my vision from the beginning was this just needs to be simple. Like this doesn't have to be overcomplicated. We're not a CRM, we're not a lead generation software. We're a communication platform.
Ethan Young:
:Mm hmm.
Ron Nussbaum:
:A customer communication platform. And if it's not easy, a customer won't use it. And if it's not easy, a contractor won't use it. So we've developed a platform that's very familiar for, say, your grandparents that have a smartphone. It's not super hard to operate and go in and look at your project and do that communication piece there. I told the development team the entire time, which we're live throughout the United States and it's being used every day right now.
Ethan Young:
:Awesome.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Is the sexiness in this will come from how simple it really is. And I was just talking with a guy the other day that we're going over the software demo on it, and he looked at me and said, Man, he's like, This is really just simple. He's like, I wish I would have thought of this because it doesn't have to be something overcomplicated. It just has to be something that's simple and works that people can use. And that's what we've developed at Nuttnest.
Todd Miller:
:We had a recent guest on this show, Paolo Tiramani of Boxabl, and Paolo talked about that concept of how so many strides are made just by figuring out how to make things simple and what a challenge that can sometimes be. Because that isn't the way we naturally work. We naturally work sort of, you know, chasing squirrels and doing things as they come up. And that ends up in some pretty convoluted thinking sometimes. They said, you know, that's a real challenge to make things simple. So very cool that you guys are exactly on the same same path and same thought waves there. So I'm curious, as you guys have built the app and put the Nuttnest app together. Any discoveries along the way where you realized, Oh, we can do that also? We can actually take this further than what we initially thought we would do with it.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Yeah. So to like what your point was is when you're in, you're getting the development started, although there was so much stuff that we just said no to that would be like, Oh, this would be a good fit. And we're like just no, cause that doesn't. Our mission is to help contractors and homeowners communicate, rather, that doesn't fix that problem. So let's keep it out of there. Let's not worry about putting in a bunch of fluff when there doesn't need to be. Let's just be really good at what we do. And I would say the biggest discovery for me personally is because I come from residential construction, is the outreach from the commercial side of things, from a job site to run job site. So I've had talks with commercial construction general contractors wanting to use the platform to run their job sites with their subs. So they have a singular point of communication that all of their subs and their superintendents and everything are on. So that's something I had never thought about until I started having some conversations with guys. And now like, you know, residential construction is really, really good, but you have a big market in the commercial construction space as well.
Todd Miller:
:Very interesting. So so I have to ask you, I guess the obvious question, I'm starting to put it all together as I kind of think back, I think on my German, where does the name Nuttnest come from?
Ron Nussbaum:
:So the great story about the name is I had all of this great stuff that I thought were fantastic. Half of them I couldn't even pronounce. I wanted to do something around a nest because this is going to be that place where it's that nest where homeowners keep their entire project. It's where the contractors are having all that communication. So it's that central hub, it's that home. And me and my wife were talking and she's like, It would be nice if we could have our name. Like if our name was in there somewhere. And in German our name means nut tree and nut tree wasn't... You know, it didn't quite fit what I was thinking and Nuttnest got thrown out there while me and here were talking. And she really, really liked it. I was like, Hey, I have some amazing names over here. I know I can't pronounce half of them, but I mean, they're awesome. I send it over to our team, our marketing and development team and 10 minutes later an email came back that said it has to be Nuttnest. Everybody's loves Nuttnest. You can't forget it and you can connect what we're doing there, especially with how they were able to put our logo as a home sitting in a nest.
Todd Miller:
:Mm hmm.
Ethan Young:
:Yeah, that's perfect.
Todd Miller:
:Well, and I love the alliteration of it, it's just cool. Good stuff. You know, I am thinking, though, here we are in fall of the year and they're predicting maybe it might be a bad winter because they say the squirrels are collecting more nuts than they usually do. I've already lost three relatives, so, you know, I. Okay, there was a joke in there someplace. I, I didn't play it off very well anyway. Well, I love the name. So yes I was putting that together. I thought, okay, Nuss, that is nut. Baum, I kept thinking that's tree though and I couldn't really think. I'm not sure what the word is actually for nest, but I love it. Great name, great name, great story.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Hey, at least it wasn't apple tree and it was nut tree.
Todd Miller:
:That's true. That's true. So where does the app stand today? Is it commercially available? You said there are folks using it. Is it something that anyone can use at this point or is it still not fully rolled out?
Ron Nussbaum:
:Yeah, no, fully rolled out. So if you're a homeowner, you can just go download the app and be on the platform. And if you're a contractor and you can go on a website, set up a time to have a demo and also purchase software there as well.
Todd Miller:
:Is there a way for a homeowner to find contractors who are already using the app? Is that a possibility?
Ron Nussbaum:
:So maybe in the future. But that's one of the things that I cut off because like I said, we're not like an Angi's List.
Todd Miller:
:Gotcha.
Ron Nussbaum:
:We're not that you know, we have some partnerships that are coming down the funnel that are pretty big name partnerships that will help homeowners with that by being involved with Nuttnest contractors that we have partnered with. Kind of like the same that kind of setup, those kind of services because this was about fixing a problem and not how can we continue to add on to it. So our main focus to start is to go out and fix the communication problem in the construction industry.
Todd Miller:
:I love what you're doing and one of the things that occurs to me is if I was a contractor and I was just starting a new business, how awesome that would be to be running the communication end of my business right from the beginning with Nuttnest and be able to constantly use that as the way to develop, you know, the DNA of my company. So I just hope we can steer some folks toward you that will be interested in using it.
Ron Nussbaum:
:You know what's amazing is that the most traction that we are getting right now is with brand new contractors and builders. Anybody in the last year that has started because they know it's a problem, it's going to be a problem and they want to start right. So as soon as they see Nuttnest, it's a no brainer decision to be on board with us and start using our software. It's been pretty amazing because I came from a company that had over 200 employees. So I, this was built for, I built it for more, what would be I figured bigger operations out there. But there really is a spot from one or two employees up to three or four or 500 employees to be able to utilize Nuttnest. Because one of the great things is, we're scalable. We can grow with a company. It's hard to have the contractor or the lead or a receptionist be able to scale with that company over time. And we can do that and help fulfill that communication void.
Ethan Young:
:Yeah, the more I think about the app, I think it really is a great solution for this kind of application. I mean, you know, because normally, I guess in a smaller operation, maybe you just give the customer your cell phone number wherever it is or a company number to communicate. But with this, you know, you have this ongoing stream where you can add images, I think is what you're talking about, add images and kind of keep them updated on the progress. And also even for bigger companies, you know, you're not going to, this gives you kind of an easier, quicker, more personal communication that doesn't require it's still kind of a professional app, you know, it's still a professional platform. So you're not giving out personal, you know, like a personal cell phone or whatever it is. So it does seem like it strikes a really good balance for for both sides.
Ron Nussbaum:
:And, you know, one of the things that we find is that it adds major credibility to that contract when they're like, hey, we're going to get you on the calendar. And I'm not just leaving. You're not just going to have my number. You're going to download the Nuttnest app, and that's how you're going to be able to communicate and manage your project directly from that. So that customer has faith that they made the decision and chose the right contractor to work on their house.
Ethan Young:
:Yeah, I like that. I think it's also a great evolution, you know, that kind of follows as we continue to evolve.
Todd Miller:
:One of the things that I've really noticed about the construction industry in recent years has been the upgrade in terms of professionalism and more folks entering the industry, not with the intent of I'm going to run this thing out of the back of my pickup truck, you know, instead of running it as a professional business and being very purposeful on what they're doing. So I love hearing that you're getting some of these young folks who are entering the industry to adopt the app right from the beginning. I think that makes a lot of sense and is going to again be a way for them to really set their companies apart. So good stuff. Well, this has been very interesting. You know, we've covered a lot of ground. I appreciate your time. Is there anything we haven't covered today about Nuttnest that you'd like to be sure that our audience is aware of?
Ron Nussbaum:
:No, I think we've covered pretty much what we do. And, you know, we do communication for the construction industry. And that's one of the easiest ways to say what we do is we're that customer communication platform that the industry has been begging for for years and is just now ready to be adapted.
Todd Miller:
:So, folks, I assume you said again, a contractor can access it through the website. Is that the place for them to start rather than the App Store, I would assume?
Ron Nussbaum:
:Yeah, absolutely. Go to our website, nuttnest.com, two t's. And from right on there you can set up demos and move forward with whatever terms you want to move forward with at that point in time. And the great thing is, is if you set up a demo, you get to see me.
Todd Miller:
:That's awesome. That's the best part. For those of our in our audience out there who are a little anal this way. Yes, nuttnest.com. That's actually three t's in there, as I put my head to it. For those who are maybe a little wondering about that, so. Well, this has been great. Before we close out, I do want to ask if you'd be interested in participating with us in sort of a regular thing we do here on the show called rapid-fire wuestions. And so this is seven questions we would throw at you. They may range from serious to silly. All you have to do is give your quick answer. Our audience needs to understand if Ron agrees to this, he doesn't know what we're going to ask him. So I have to ask, are you up to the challenge of rapid-fire?
Ron Nussbaum:
:100%.
Todd Miller:
:Awesome. This is always a fun part. So I think we will, should we try to alternate questions Ethan?
Ethan Young:
:Yeah, we can. I can go first, if that's all right.
Todd Miller:
:Awesome. Why don't you do it?
Ethan Young:
:What's one of your favorite childhood memories?
Ron Nussbaum:
:I would say working at Gianino's, a pizza shop. I started working there when I was about 13, 14 years old.
Ethan Young:
:Nice.
Todd Miller:
:Good memory. So was that your first job also?
Ron Nussbaum:
:That was my first legit job, I guess. The first job that I actually had a paycheck.
Todd Miller:
:Gotcha, very good. Second question, do you prefer the top or the bottom half of a bagel?
Ron Nussbaum:
:Top.
Todd Miller:
:Top half. That's where all the good stuff usually is.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Yeah, usually.
Ethan Young:
:Alright, third question. If you could spend a day with anyone living or dead, who would you choose?
Ron Nussbaum:
:Elon Musk.
Ethan Young:
:Okay. We get that one a lot.
Todd Miller:
:He's a popular answer. I love the way the guy thinks.
Ron Nussbaum:
:It would just be fascinating. Like just, I wouldn't even want to ask any questions just to be around and watch how he operates. Personally, I would just like to do that.
Ethan Young:
:Yeah. He pushes the envelope in a lot of different ways and it's just wild to see, really.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Yeah.
Todd Miller:
:Good stuff. Okay, question number four. If you had to eat a crayon, what color crayon would you eat?
Ron Nussbaum:
:Oh, man. Is this a Marine Corps joke?
Ethan Young:
:Oh, geez. We didn't even think about that.
Ron Nussbaum:
:I would probably, I guess, just I would eat them all.
Todd Miller:
:It doesn't make a difference. I love that. I love it.
Ethan Young:
:Alright. What's one of your favorite movies?
Ron Nussbaum:
:Oh, man. Uh, I'm just gonna say Top Gun, because I just saw the sequel not that long ago, and it's the first thing that popped to my mind. You know, you can't go wrong with freedom and jets and all that like America.
Todd Miller:
:I need to see that yet, I've heard it's just incredible, but I have not seen it. Next question. You're obviously a very high energy guy and I love that. Are there any practices or anything you do that help you to keep up your energy or your focus or your stamina?
Ron Nussbaum:
:I am very stringent with my diet, I guess, and I made a decision a few years ago to start just performance-based, like how I eat, what I put in my body. All of that matters. I'm a big component of 75 Hard. I did the entire Live Hard cycle. I'm on another round of 75 Hard and so I'm working out twice a day. And I believe that if you put energy in, energy comes back out and it just starts to create that.
Todd Miller:
:Well, that's good stuff. And, and I had a feeling, you know, I'm sitting here before I asked the bagel question. I'm thinking he probably doesn't eat a lot of bagels, Todd, but I'm gonna ask anyway.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Not a whole lot.
Ethan Young:
:Alright, last question. What's a skill that you'd like to master?
Ron Nussbaum:
:I mean, this is going to sound crazy because of what I do, but communication. I would love to be like the master of that and be able to help people work through communication problems, whether it's at work, at home, anywhere. Because communication is the basis of everything we do as people. And yeah, being really good at that, it makes you really good at everything.
Ethan Young:
:That's great. Yeah, I really like that answer.
Todd Miller:
:Well, that's awesome. And that's where you are with what you're doing with Nuttnest and the industry as well. That's good stuff to have that passion. Well, this has been great. I do want to revisit real quick. I'm stuck on bagels, something about the geometric shape of a bagel. Just the roundness of it that I really like. So big shout out to bagels, even though we're all trying to avoid carbs these days. Well, I do want to, we do need to report back to everyone. And I got to admit, I've lost track of our success on our challenge words. Mine was geometric, which I completely forgot about. So that was the reason I had to work it in there at the end.
Ethan Young:
:Well done.
Todd Miller:
:Ethan, yours was envelope. I think you used it, didn't you?
Ethan Young:
:I did. I threw it in as kind of a little reply at the end of one of those rapid-fire questions with pushing the envelope. So.
Todd Miller:
:That's right. And Ron, your word was apple. I got to confess, I missed it. Have you worked it in?
Ron Nussbaum:
:Absolutely. I said when we were talking about the name that, Hey at least it was an apple tree.
Todd Miller:
:You did it so smoothly, I didn't even know it. It just seemed like the conversation.
Ron Nussbaum:
:That was my goal.
Todd Miller:
:Good job. Well, this has been a real pleasure. So for folks who want to get in contact with you, how can they best do that? I know they can go to nuttnest.com, but any other ways you would suggest if they want to get in contact with you?
Ron Nussbaum:
:Yeah, absolutely. On LinkedIn, you can find me, Ron Nussbaum, right on there. And I'm on all major social media platforms as well. And if anybody would, feel free to reach out if you have a question or something or just want to connect. I love to connect with people.
Todd Miller:
:Well, and I know how we connected originally was on LinkedIn and you were just a really friendly, gregarious guy. And so I'm blessed to have you in my life. Thank you and thank you for joining us today. This has been great.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Hey, thanks for having me. It's been an amazing conversation. I absolutely enjoyed it.
Ron Nussbaum:
:Todd Miller: Well, thank you. And I encourage all of our listeners to check out nuttnest.com. Technically, three T's in there for those who are concerned about such things. But I also want to thank our audience for tuning in to this episode of Construction Disruption with Ron Nussbaum, co-founder and CEO of the Nuttnest App. Please watch for future episodes of our podcast. We always have great guests that we're blessed with here on the show. Don't forget to leave a review on Apple Podcasts or YouTube. Until the next episode though, change the world for someone, make them smile, encourage them. Two very simple things we can do to change the world one interaction at a time. God bless, take care. This is Isaiah Industries signing off until the next episode of Construction Disruption.