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Andrew Bernstein on Racism
Episode 78 • 18th December 2023 • The Secular Foxhole • Blair Schofield and Martin Lindeskog
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Today we offer you a wide-ranging discussion on racism with Professor Bernstein, that includes both his fiction novel, Reckoning, and his non-fiction work, entitled - American Racism: Its Decline, Its Baleful Resurgence, and Our Looming Race War. Tune in for a sobering talk.

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Blair:

Secular foxhole podcast.

Blair:

And today we have the great philosopher Andrew

Blair:

Bernstein with us, otherwise known as the Objectivist movement, or swoop.

Andrew:

Yes. Thanks for that intro, Blair.

Andrew:

I appreciate it.

Andrew:

And thanks for having me back on.

Martin:

Could you explain that again what Swoop is standing for?

Martin:

I don't think not every listener knows about this nice name and nickname and book.

Andrew:

Well, the first book I published was a novel called Heart of a pagan about a great

Andrew:

basketball player.

Andrew:

His nickname was Swoop.

Andrew:

He's a great athlete.

Martin:

And that's your Twitter name or handle or x, as they say now.

Andrew:

Yeah. Andy Swoop at Gmail.

Andrew:

And Swoop was a great athlete.

Andrew:

And he titled Heart of a pagan because he had greek pagan values, like he was a warrior

Andrew:

values as contrasted with the judeochristian values.

Andrew:

And he gets hurt and he's cocky and he's brash.

Andrew:

A lot of people don't like him.

Andrew:

But when he tears up his knee and you see what

Andrew:

he's really made out of, when he's got to come back from a devastating knee injury, and he

Andrew:

helps the team trainer who was lame to also work out and become a physical specimen, I

Andrew:

wasn't going to rewrite that book in the next few years because I think the two main

Andrew:

characters, swoop and Diggs, the lame trainer of the basketball team, I think there's a lot

Andrew:

of potential there.

Andrew:

But that was my first book.

Andrew:

I wasn't ready.

Andrew:

I don't think I was ready.

Andrew:

The story doesn't equal the two main characters, I think.

Andrew:

And now I think I'm ready to really write that story.

Andrew:

So thanks for bringing that up, guys.

Blair:

Yeah, sure.

Martin:

And we will come to the topic, but that's your heroic career here.

Martin:

Andy, could you tell a little bit more as an author, philosopher, speaker, podcaster,

Martin:

writer, et cetera?

Andrew:

Well, from the time I was a child, I always wanted to be a writer.

Andrew:

And now I was doing a lot of teaching to support myself at various colleges, college

Andrew:

philosophy classes.

Andrew:

But I always focused on the writing, and I

Andrew:

published ten full length books.

Andrew:

Now, the capitalist manifesto, I think, in

Andrew:

2005, was the most, I think is the most famous.

Andrew:

But objectivism in one lesson, and I've always been a hero worshipper.

Andrew:

A few years ago, I published a book titled heroes, legends, champions, why heroism

Andrew:

matters.

Andrew:

It a book on there's a lot written about

Andrew:

heroes, but very few attempts to actually offer a rational definition of what heroes

Andrew:

are.

Andrew:

And one of the things I wanted to accomplish

Andrew:

in that book is to show how we form the concept of heroes and what the reality basis

Andrew:

for that concept is.

Andrew:

So it's a theoretical book on heroes.

Andrew:

And of course, fiction has always been my first love.

Andrew:

So I published collection of short stories, the Brooklyn Stories, which I got pat myself

Andrew:

on the back.

Andrew:

Guys, I think there's some real.

Andrew:

If anybody likes short stories, I think there's some really good stories in that

Andrew:

collection.

Andrew:

And of course, my latest novel was just

Andrew:

published at the end of August this year.

Andrew:

Reckoning about race war comes to America.

Blair:

We're going to touch on that today for sure.

Andrew:

Talk about that.

Martin:

You are very good at writing in a timely manner.

Andrew:

Well, thank you.

Andrew:

The theme here in reckoning, colorblind

Andrew:

individualism versus racism in any form, is not only timely, but tragically, it's

Andrew:

timeless.

Andrew:

Human history is implued by all kinds of

Andrew:

racist oppression all over the world.

Martin:

Different in forms, because you have a battery of questions, because we know the term

Martin:

racism and collectivism, but now it's thrown away, how do you say it?

Martin:

On everything and labeled same as fascism or whatever.

Martin:

Could you give a crisp definition of racism?

Andrew:

Yeah. Racism. Way I use the term, it's not just applied specifically to races, black,

Andrew:

white, asian, but to bigotry in different forms.

Andrew:

Tribalism is a form of racism.

Andrew:

Xenophobic nationalism is.

Andrew:

But it's thinking that racism is thinking that race matters, that race is the most important

Andrew:

characteristic about a human being.

Andrew:

A rational person who rejects racism, embraces

Andrew:

colorblind individualism, realizes that the most important thing about a human being is

Andrew:

that we make moral choices, that our moral choices define us.

Andrew:

But to a racist, it's the ethnic group that you're born into.

Andrew:

Like the Nazis used to say, it's Inzi blood.

Andrew:

The Aryans are morally superior because of

Andrew:

what's hardwired into their biology.

Andrew:

And Jews are morally inferior for the same

Andrew:

reason.

Andrew:

So racism is believing that the race one is

Andrew:

born into, or the ethnic group or tribe that one is born into, determines one's character

Andrew:

and one's intellectual ability, whereas the antidote to that, of course, is colorblind

Andrew:

individualism.

Andrew:

And the recognition that individuals make

Andrew:

moral choices, that's what's important about them.

Andrew:

What race they are, is trivial.

Andrew:

So that's, I think, is the real conflict.

Blair:

Yeah, I think you're right.

Blair:

Yeah.

Blair:

Now, again, you've written a fiction novel and a nonfiction book on racism.

Blair:

And some of the questions I have, or most of the questions I have are on the nonfiction

Blair:

book because I haven't had a chance to crack the reckoning yet.

Blair:

But we'll still talk about that some more.

Andrew:

As I may say, this reckoning is violent, guys.

Andrew:

So if you don't like violence because it's about race war, stay away from it.

Andrew:

But if anybody could tolerate violence, if I could pat myself on the back.

Andrew:

This is a hell of a novel.

Andrew:

This is really a hell of a story.

Martin:

Thanks for that warning label.

Martin:

Because I'm a sensitive guy, but I will read

Martin:

it.

Andrew:

We know that.

Martin:

But I saw the.

Martin:

Is it plenty of illustrations by Bosch Foster?

Martin:

I saw the COVID Bosch did the.

Andrew:

COVID But it would be great if we had some illustrations in this.

Blair:

Yeah, it should be a cartoon and.

Martin:

Then a tv series.

Martin:

Hong Kong movie with Jackie.

Andrew:

Old days.

Andrew:

Yeah, that's a good idea.

Blair:

Fly out the play with tomorrow, Andy.

Blair:

Go for.

Andrew:

Yeah. Yeah. And go find Jackie Chandle.

Andrew:

I think he's retired.

Blair:

Isn't be.

Blair:

Anyway, this is important but somber subject,

Blair:

racism in America or anywhere else.

Blair:

Or anywhere else.

Andrew:

Thank you.

Blair:

Yes. Your nonfiction book, American Racism, its decline, its bailful return, and

Blair:

our looming race war.

Blair:

What?

Blair:

Obviously the left, which dominates academia or academia, media, the culture, and as Martin

Blair:

mentioned earlier, they are just smearing everything.

Blair:

And everyone is racist if you disagree with them.

Blair:

So they have no time for argument, no time for logic, no time for a reason discussion.

Blair:

That's what frightens me.

Blair:

People like us are left out of the discussion,

Blair:

and we have the answer.

Andrew:

That's why they want to leave us out.

Blair:

Well, yeah, that's true.

Blair:

So I would guess.

Blair:

And the actual number of white supremacists in the United States is probably a fraction of

Blair:

less than 1% or even.

Martin:

One 10th of too many, but a small.

Martin:

And they are very loud and get lots of

Martin:

attention.

Martin:

But compared to now, I took over here.

Martin:

But as you said, blair, together with this other kind of racist, the collectivism is much

Martin:

broader and bigger.

Blair:

Well, that's true.

Blair:

That's true.

Blair:

The collectivist movement is.

Andrew:

A tidal wave.

Blair:

What is the antidote?

Andrew:

Well, should we discuss white supremacist for just a minute?

Blair:

Yes, by all means.

Andrew:

Yeah. A lot of the information I have in my booklet on american racism I get from

Andrew:

leftist sources.

Andrew:

The Atlantic, the Anti Defamation League, the

Andrew:

Southern War Poverty center, the New York Times, which are dubious sources.

Andrew:

They're often dishonest, but it's the best information I could get, and it's congruent.

Andrew:

I'll give it in just a minute.

Andrew:

It's congruent with what I know about american

Andrew:

history.

Andrew:

But 100 years ago, 1920s, the white population

Andrew:

in the United States was roughly 95 million.

Andrew:

And according to several sources, the Klan,

Andrew:

the KKK, a real violent terrorist, white supremacist organization, the membership of

Andrew:

the Klan was three, four, 5 million.

Andrew:

I mean, out of 95 million white Americans,

Andrew:

that's a lot of white supremacist murderers.

Andrew:

That's really scary.

Andrew:

And they did a lot of damage.

Andrew:

One example was the Tulsa race riot.

Andrew:

I think it was 1921 when these guys, these white supremacists, some of them clam members,

Andrew:

burned down on a black neighborhood in Tulsa, the Greenwood section, which was a bustling,

Andrew:

prosperous black neighborhood with businessmen, professionals, like bankers and

Andrew:

doctors and writers and stuff.

Andrew:

It was just horrible.

Andrew:

There's a lot of incidents like that.

Andrew:

Now.

Andrew:

Today, 100 years later, the white population in the United States is roughly 234,000,000.

Andrew:

According to the.

Andrew:

If we include white Latinos, which we should,

Andrew:

because they're white, okay.

Andrew:

But according to the Antidefamation League,

Andrew:

the Klan's membership today is like three, four, 5000, about three, four, 5 million.

Andrew:

And I think the Southern Poverty Law center estimates the clan at around 5000.

Andrew:

And this is like Martin said, this is 5000 too many.

Martin:

Erased for themselves in a way.

Martin:

But wasn't it lately, it was like, wasn't the

Martin:

democratic body of Biden, that was an old time KKK member?

Andrew:

Yeah, Robert Bird.

Blair:

Robert Bird was the man.

Andrew:

Senator from West Virginia.

Andrew:

Yeah, he was a big shot leader of the.

Andrew:

So. But anyway, I think the trend line is clearly in the right direction now.

Andrew:

These guys are still around, these white supremacists, and they're still violent

Andrew:

murderers.

Andrew:

Dylan Roof.

Andrew:

In 2015, a self proclaimed white supremacist went into a black church in Charleston, South

Andrew:

Carolina, and shot it up and murdered, like, nine people.

Andrew:

And shortly after that, Robert Bowers was a self proclaimed white supremacist, went to a

Andrew:

synagogue in the Pittsburgh area and shot, I forget, murdered, like ten, 1112 innocent

Andrew:

people.

Andrew:

And there's others.

Andrew:

These guys are still around.

Andrew:

But as an organized movement, I think the

Andrew:

trend line is in the right direction.

Andrew:

The New York Times mentioned this about ten

Andrew:

years ago.

Andrew:

They had.

Andrew:

1012 years ago, they had an article on Nazi, this national socialist organization in the

Andrew:

United States.

Andrew:

I forget the name of it.

Andrew:

I have it in the book.

Andrew:

They said it's the largest white supremacist

Andrew:

organization in the country.

Andrew:

Let's see if I can find it because I have the

Andrew:

booklet and I have the booklet in front of me.

Andrew:

So New York Times says it's the largest.

Andrew:

Where is it? The National Socialist movement.

Andrew:

Founded in 1974, it claims to be the most widespread activist nazi group in the United

Andrew:

States.

Andrew:

Get this.

Andrew:

In 2011, the New York Times acknowledged it as the most popular white supremacist

Andrew:

organization but claimed it had merely 400 members.

Martin:

You could take one place in Europe and find that.

Andrew:

Yeah, probably in some places you probably could.

Andrew:

But anyway, the New York Times is mistaken.

Andrew:

What a shock.

Andrew:

The little research shows that the oldest and largest by far nazi group in the United States

Andrew:

is the Aryan Brotherhood.

Andrew:

Just the name makes your hairstand, doesn't

Andrew:

it? Yeah, the Aryan Brotherhood, which is a prison

Andrew:

gang and crime syndicate.

Andrew:

And they total roughly 15,000 to 20,000

Andrew:

members both inside and outside of prison.

Andrew:

And they are a brutally violent organization.

Andrew:

They hate Jews and blacks, and their criminal activities include drug trafficking,

Andrew:

extortion, and murder for hire.

Andrew:

15,000 to 20,000.

Andrew:

Whoa.

Andrew:

That's a large number for sure.

Andrew:

But out of 200, let's put this way, they're still around.

Andrew:

They're violent, they're dangerous.

Andrew:

These are sick people.

Andrew:

But they're a tiny out of 234,000,000 white Americans, they are a tiny, marginalized, and

Andrew:

generally despised group amongst white Americans.

Andrew:

So the trendline is clearly in the right direction regarding white supremacists in

Andrew:

America.

Blair:

Dwindling. Yes. I love one of the titles in your book.

Blair:

It's leftist supremacy, not white supremacy is the gravest threat to black lives.

Blair:

Talk about that.

Andrew:

Sure. And I saw as the conversation goes along, we talk about a little more about

Andrew:

white supremacism.

Andrew:

So we'll discuss Robert Spencer.

Andrew:

No, Richard Spencer.

Andrew:

I'm sorry.

Andrew:

Robert Spencer is the great Islam scholar.

Blair:

Right.

Andrew:

But Richard Spencer, who wants a white ethnostate and the alt right, he's one of the

Andrew:

leaders of the so called alt right.

Andrew:

But leftist supremacy.

Andrew:

Yeah, now, by leftist, of course, left and right, these are spatial metaphors that we

Andrew:

need to define the terms.

Andrew:

By left, I mean supporters of collectivism and

Andrew:

socialism, the supremacy of the group or the state over the individual.

Andrew:

By the right, in this case, I mean the supporters of individualism and capitalism,

Andrew:

the belief that individuals have inalienable rights and the state exists to protect those

Andrew:

rights.

Andrew:

So the left in the United States has generally

Andrew:

been thought of as the marxist left, the class war socialists.

Andrew:

And they, of course, have, as you pointed out, they have tremendous power in the culture.

Andrew:

They control the school system, the teachers colleges, the humanities divisions of our

Andrew:

universities, the Democratic Party, Hollywood, most of the media and so forth.

Andrew:

They have tremendous power.

Andrew:

I want to discuss the alt right, the so called

Andrew:

alt right, because they're really leftists.

Andrew:

Yes, but we'll get to that, because the

Andrew:

Marxists say the marxist left here, as distinguished from the nazi left, which we'll

Andrew:

come back to these guys have tremendous cultural power.

Andrew:

And Joe Biden likes to holler about white supremacists.

Andrew:

And they're the gravest, they're the worst terror threat, and they're the worst danger to

Andrew:

black Americans.

Andrew:

And so, you know, non white Americans and so

Andrew:

forth.

Andrew:

But the crime data are very clear on this.

Andrew:

For decades now, for almost 50 years, by far, the gravest threat to black lives are black

Andrew:

criminals.

Andrew:

The thugs, the gang bangers, the drug deals,

Andrew:

the little gun busters, as they're known in the projects year after year.

Andrew:

I mean, Thomas Soul writes about this.

Andrew:

The late, great Walter Williams wrote about

Andrew:

it.

Andrew:

Larry Elder discusses it.

Andrew:

Nobody on the left discusses this.

Andrew:

The crime tsunami.

Andrew:

The year after year after year after year, almost 50 years now, five, six, 7000 black

Andrew:

Americans are murdered.

Andrew:

Tulip Starks wrote a very courageous book on

Andrew:

this.

Andrew:

Black lives matter.

Andrew:

L-I-E-S.

Andrew:

Black lives matter.

Andrew:

That's right.

Andrew:

Yeah.

Andrew:

He points out black Americans are 13% of the american population, something like 47% of the

Andrew:

homicide victims, and a staggering 52% of the homicide perpetrators.

Andrew:

That's four times the representation in the population.

Andrew:

It's just staggering.

Andrew:

When did the black crime rate in many black

Andrew:

urban neighborhoods rise to these astonishing levels?

Andrew:

And more important, what caused it? And of course, leftist policies are what

Andrew:

caused it.

Andrew:

One, the welfare state of families with

Andrew:

dependent children that mothers get money from husband government, as one white leftist

Andrew:

professor put it, from husband government for every child she has, as long as she's not

Andrew:

married.

Andrew:

And Thomas soul points out, the law of

Andrew:

unpredicted consequences takes over and says he put.

Andrew:

Thomas soul is great, isn't he? He's a brilliant.

Blair:

He's fabulous.

Andrew:

Yeah. He said if you pay people to not get married, fewer people are going to get

Andrew:

married.

Andrew:

So the illegitimacy rate in the United States

Andrew:

today is like, for black Americans is like over 70%.

Andrew:

Now, some of the biological fathers, hopefully, are still involved in their child's

Andrew:

lives.

Andrew:

But what this has led to, and it's not just

Andrew:

amongst black Americans.

Andrew:

There's different places around the world that

Andrew:

have this kind of welfare state.

Andrew:

You see the same pathology.

Andrew:

You see a lot of single parent homes, mothers.

Andrew:

There's a lot of good, loving single moms in

Andrew:

the world, including amongst black Americans.

Andrew:

But the one thing she cannot do is she cannot

Andrew:

role model for her son what it means to be a man.

Andrew:

He needs his father to do that.

Andrew:

And there's too many kids, especially black

Andrew:

kids in the hood, who are growing up with no man in their lives.

Andrew:

Daniel Patrick Moynihan, before he was senator in 1965, when the black illegitimacy rate was

Andrew:

25%, warned about this, that you're asking for lots of trouble when you have kids.

Andrew:

It's harmful for the girls to grow up without a dad, but it's devastating for the boys.

Andrew:

Again, there's nobody to role model for him what it means to be a man.

Andrew:

And you see the statistics are very clear on this.

Andrew:

How many more boys from single parent homes that have a mother but no father in their

Andrew:

lives? How many much higher percentage would join

Andrew:

drug gangs and engage in criminal violence without any fatherly supervision, which is a

Andrew:

direct result of the welfare state.

Andrew:

I mean, the black illegitimacy rate prior to

Andrew:

the welfare state was, I don't remember the exact numbers Walter Williams cited.

Andrew:

It was like eleven or 12% back in the 1930s or 1940s.

Andrew:

Christianity tends to be very strong amongst the black american community.

Andrew:

So it's a shock to see this illegitimacy rate amongst black Americans.

Andrew:

But that's a direct result of the welfare state.

Andrew:

Thomas saw and Walter Williams point this out, that the welfare state destroyed the black

Andrew:

family which had survived slavery, racism, Jim Crow oppression and so on and so forth.

Andrew:

That's one part of this.

Andrew:

But then there's the school system.

Andrew:

The schools are just terrible.

Andrew:

Even in most of the good neighborhoods, never

Andrew:

mind the high crime neighborhoods, the school system is terrible for the most part.

Andrew:

They rejected phonics.

Andrew:

And you see in a number of the black urban

Andrew:

neighborhoods the test scores are just jaw dropping.

Andrew:

You have a high school graduates what was like 3% were at grade level proficiency in reading

Andrew:

and zero or 1% in math.

Andrew:

I don't remember the exact numbers but it's

Andrew:

that low.

Andrew:

So you know, the schools are terrible.

Andrew:

And of course the leftist politicians and the leftist teachers union oppose school choice.

Andrew:

They don't want and tax credits for sending your kids to private schools.

Andrew:

So many families in black urban neighborhoods are locked into these terrible schools.

Andrew:

So there's a second factor.

Andrew:

A lot of these kids come out of high school

Andrew:

and they're illiterate or semi illiterate.

Andrew:

And then there's the minimum wage laws that

Andrew:

price low skilled workers out of the job market.

Andrew:

Let's say some young kid who doesn't have any skills yet, 16 1718.

Andrew:

Let's say his labor is worth, I don't know, $8 an hour, let's say to McDonald's or some

Andrew:

employer like that.

Andrew:

But the state requires that he be paid $10 an

Andrew:

hour, $12 an hour.

Andrew:

Well the employer is going to lose $2 an hour

Andrew:

or $4 an hour for every hour the kid works and they're not going to hire the kid.

Andrew:

And so you're going to get this constellation of leftist policies that result in thousands

Andrew:

of teenage boys who are fatherless, come out of broken homes, are semi illiterate, there's

Andrew:

no employment prospects and a lot of them when you join gang one way of dealing with the

Andrew:

crime problem is to legalize drugs because that'll make the drug gangs less lucrative and

Andrew:

less attractive.

Andrew:

But that's only part of the problem because I

Andrew:

think a lot of these kids, and you could read the true crime literature on this.

Andrew:

I have a lot of it.

Andrew:

A lot of these kids join gangs not just for

Andrew:

the money but they get family out of this.

Andrew:

They could join the gang when they're eleven

Andrew:

or twelve.

Andrew:

The leaders of the gang might be 16, 1718

Andrew:

they're older, they're like big brothers.

Andrew:

There's like a family structure here that a

Andrew:

lot of them don't have at home.

Andrew:

So that problem will remain even if and when

Andrew:

we legalize drugs.

Andrew:

So 90%, year after year after year after year

Andrew:

90% of black homicide victims are killed by black criminals.

Andrew:

And that's why not by white supremacists, bad as they are.

Andrew:

That's why I said leftist supremacy, not white supremacy is the gravest threat to black

Andrew:

lives.

Blair:

I'm going to go out in a limb and say I believe, and I believe this for a long time,

Blair:

that the welfare state and its offshoots, as you mentioned, the minimum wage laws and so

Blair:

on, this is institutionalized slavery.

Andrew:

Yeah. And by the way, let me point out this is not limited to black America.

Andrew:

Michael Tanner from Cato Institute wrote a book, I don't know, 20 years ago or more, the

Andrew:

end of welfare, and cites a good deal of research that shows because of the welfare

Andrew:

state the white illegitimacy rate has risen significantly over the past few decades.

Andrew:

More white children are being born to single moms and you see the same pathology.

Andrew:

There's fewer dads in the kids lives and more of these kids, especially the boys, have

Andrew:

trouble in school, have caused trouble in school.

Andrew:

They don't do well in school.

Andrew:

They join gangs, they're on drugs or they're

Andrew:

part of drug gangs.

Andrew:

You see more criminal violence and more of

Andrew:

these kids going to prison and so on.

Andrew:

And let me just one last example, because

Andrew:

Thomas Sowell recommended a book, life at the bottom by a british psychiatrist named

Andrew:

Theodore Dalrimple.

Blair:

Oh yes.

Andrew:

Have you read it?

Blair:

I know of him, yes.

Andrew:

It's very good because he points out.

Andrew:

He's in Birmingham.

Andrew:

I think it was before he retired where he was a psychiatrist in hospital.

Andrew:

He points out most of his patients are unwellfair and most of them are white.

Andrew:

And you see the same pathology because of the welfare state and the way of thinking that

Andrew:

goes with the welfare state.

Andrew:

Very few fathers and the lives of the kids and

Andrew:

the crime problems and the violence and the drugs and everything.

Andrew:

It's the same pathology.

Andrew:

It's not about race.

Andrew:

But in the United States, the leftist policies I think are by far the greatest threat to the

Andrew:

lives of black Americans.

Andrew:

The numbers show this very right.

Andrew:

All right.

Andrew:

By the way, the leftists don't talk about,

Andrew:

know white supremacists.

Andrew:

Joe Biden talks about white.

Andrew:

No no, Mr. POTUS, let's face reality and black lives Matter.

Andrew:

You have an organization that calls themselves black lives Matter.

Andrew:

They don't hear a peep out of them about the gang bangers and the little gunbusters killing

Andrew:

all these black teenagers every day.

Andrew:

Only black lives, they care about it always

Andrew:

that are killed by white men, even if it's in self defense.

Blair:

I know.

Blair:

And a correlation of that recently.

Blair:

Do you know who gad sad is?

Andrew:

Yeah, I know.

Andrew:

The name I don't know much about.

Blair:

He had a three minute clip on his podcast that he congratulated the president

Blair:

and vice president about.

Blair:

They acknowledged that the crime activity

Blair:

against the jewish population has risen like 47% in the last month.

Blair:

But they rolled out a program against Islamophobia.

Andrew:

Right.

Andrew:

The white supremacists do hate jews, probably

Andrew:

even more than they hate blacks, but they're not the ones primarily responsible for this.

Andrew:

This isn't coming from the nazi left.

Andrew:

This is coming, this kind of jew hatred that

Andrew:

we see a resurgence of now is coming from the marxist left.

Andrew:

You see it on college campuses in a way that's just terrifying.

Blair:

I wasn't surprised.

Blair:

I'm still shocked and astonished.

Andrew:

Yeah, I'm appalled, but I'm not surprised.

Andrew:

Yes, correct.

Blair:

Now you also say that you think the left is pushing America toward a race war.

Blair:

I guess we've cited a bunch of reasons why.

Blair:

Can you go in any further on that?

Andrew:

Yeah, let me go back to Richard Spencer and the so called alt right here.

Blair:

Okay.

Andrew:

A long time ago the great chinese philosopher Confucius said that the beginning

Andrew:

of wisdom is to see to it that things are called by their right names.

Andrew:

And the so called alt right, these white nationalists, white supremacists who want a

Andrew:

white ethnostate.

Andrew:

By the way, Ein Rand taught us that.

Andrew:

Take this personally, so my daughter, as I think you know, was my ex wife, and I adopted

Andrew:

her from China when she was a baby.

Andrew:

Penny, she's going to be 21 soon.

Andrew:

She is as good natured a human being as you will ever find.

Andrew:

She is just a sweetheart of a person.

Andrew:

But you know what?

Andrew:

She can't live in the white man's land.

Andrew:

She's not white.

Blair:

No, dear.

Andrew:

We could have white guys who are dishonest and all kinds of liars and cheats.

Andrew:

They may beat their wives and go, but, you know.

Andrew:

But this is this beautiful, really good natured, morally upright asian girl.

Andrew:

No, can't have her.

Andrew:

Just one illustration to show how irrational

Andrew:

this is.

Andrew:

So these guys want a white ethnostate and

Andrew:

there's no individual rights here.

Andrew:

They're not a right wing phenomenon.

Andrew:

If we're going to define right wing as being individualist and capitalist, there's no

Andrew:

individual rights.

Andrew:

An honest, non white person can't live in the

Andrew:

white man's land according to them, to kick him out.

Andrew:

Some kid who's biracial and is a good person.

Andrew:

No, can't have him or her.

Andrew:

Some white man or woman wants to marry a non white man or woman and live in the white man's

Andrew:

land.

Andrew:

No, you can't do it.

Andrew:

So there's no individual rights here.

Andrew:

This is a racist dictatorship.

Andrew:

And the so called alt right is really the national Socialist left and national

Andrew:

socialism.

Andrew:

The one only thing about national socialism

Andrew:

has a value is that it's named properly.

Andrew:

The Nazis were socialists, meaning your life

Andrew:

does not belong to you.

Andrew:

Your life has been socialized.

Andrew:

Your life belongs to the state as fully as under communism.

Andrew:

And they're nationalists.

Andrew:

That is, they see the war in the world between

Andrew:

nations or races, in contrast to the communists, who see the conflict between

Andrew:

international economic classes, the international owning class versus the

Andrew:

international working class.

Andrew:

So national socialism is properly named.

Andrew:

It's a fully socialist phenomenon.

Andrew:

It's the left.

Andrew:

And I always tell my students, if we have to, we could just drop the left right spatial

Andrew:

metaphors and just speak literally and talk about collectivist socialists versus

Andrew:

individualists, capitalists.

Andrew:

And the national socialists are as mean, if

Andrew:

we're going to drop that terminology, they're as socialist and collectivist as the

Andrew:

communists.

Andrew:

So Richard Spencer and the so called alt

Andrew:

right, I just think of them.

Andrew:

There's the Marxist left and there's the Nazi

Andrew:

left.

Andrew:

Now, right now the Marxist left.

Andrew:

Can I read something from the.

Blair:

Go for it.

Blair:

Yes, go for it, please.

Andrew:

Yeah. So we see all this before I get to the read.

Andrew:

We see all this anti white racism spewed out by the Marxist left today, it's terrifying

Andrew:

because there's not nearly as much intellectual pushback against it as there

Andrew:

should be.

Andrew:

People should be speaking up against this.

Andrew:

As far back as 20 years ago, Harvard magazine published an essay about abolishing the white

Andrew:

race.

Andrew:

And recently there was that Rutgers professor

Andrew:

who said publicly, we got to take white people out.

Andrew:

There was that New York City psychiatrist, like last year or the year before, speaking to

Andrew:

an audience at Yale University, who said that she fantasizes about shooting white people in

Andrew:

the know.

Andrew:

And you get a lot of this.

Andrew:

These are just a few examples.

Andrew:

And there's not nearly enough pushback.

Blair:

I don't hear any, honestly.

Andrew:

You're hearing some right now.

Blair:

Yes, exactly.

Andrew:

That's us.

Blair:

That's right.

Andrew:

Yeah. There's not enough.

Andrew:

There's not enough.

Andrew:

So what is the hit from the booklet? What is the goal of the endless stream of

Andrew:

abuse poured out at whites? The obvious, relatively innocuous purpose of

Andrew:

preaching, the prevalence and power of so called white privilege and white moral guilt

Andrew:

is to make white people feel deeply ashamed of their success and consequently more amenable

Andrew:

to a massive redistribution of income from the white middle class to nonwhite members of the

Andrew:

poverty class.

Andrew:

This includes the insanity of reparations for

Andrew:

slavery that was abolished more than 150 years ago.

Andrew:

But this massive grift, reprehensible though it is, is innocent relative to the deeper

Andrew:

purpose.

Andrew:

For the marxist left realizes that some whites

Andrew:

will be enraged, not guilt ridden, by the relentless stream of hate filled rhetoric.

Andrew:

Perhaps such whites will be more likely to seek protection by joining one of the wretched

Andrew:

white supremacist gangs.

Andrew:

Will they protest, demonstrate, engage in more

Andrew:

street violence against their enemies, like in Charlotesville, Virginia, in 2017?

Andrew:

The Marxist left hopes so, for it does not care about black lives, women's rights, gays,

Andrew:

transgenders, or anything of the like.

Andrew:

If it did, it would embrace the related

Andrew:

principles of colorblind individualism and inalienable individual rights, for these are

Andrew:

the only protections that any of us have, especially members of groups historically

Andrew:

persecuted.

Andrew:

But it does not.

Andrew:

Marxists think in terms of economic classes, groups, not individuals, and they anathematize

Andrew:

individualism.

Andrew:

They revile colorblindness in logic, the only

Andrew:

panacea for racism of any iteration.

Andrew:

As a microaggression, Marxists care about one

Andrew:

thing and only one thing.

Andrew:

Power.

Andrew:

Exactly.

Andrew:

For the Marxist left, the question is, how do

Andrew:

you topple a freer society and establish a totalitarian state?

Andrew:

How did Mussolini and his black shirted thugs do it in Italy.

Andrew:

How did Hitler and his brown shirted goons do it in Germany?

Andrew:

You need a collectivist socialist ideology fully in place, as the marxist left currently

Andrew:

has in the universities, the schools, and the intellectual culture.

Andrew:

And then you need massive street violence, endless riots, burning and looting to disrupt

Andrew:

daily life, relentless, uncontrollable lawlessness to make civilized existence

Andrew:

impossible, to convince people that freedom and capitalism have failed and that we need to

Andrew:

move politically toward authoritarianism.

Andrew:

Why the relentless hatred spewed at whites?

Andrew:

Because the Marxist left covertly but deliberately seeks to revitalize the

Andrew:

marginalized white supremacist movement in America.

Andrew:

And what's that? Marching, clamoring, waving swastikas and

Andrew:

confederate flags.

Andrew:

The National Socialist left will overtly push

Andrew:

us toward creation of a white ethnostate, while the Marxist left, fighting the rich

Andrew:

white oppressor, meets them head on in bloody race class war, the KKK and the american Nazi

Andrew:

party versus Antifa.

Andrew:

And black lives matter in the gutters,

Andrew:

replicating in America the nazi communist street battles of the 1920s and 30s in the

Andrew:

Weimar Republic.

Andrew:

But the Marxist left, knowing that it controls

Andrew:

the schools and the intellectual culture and aware that it possesses vast superiority of

Andrew:

numbers, can be sanguine regarding the outcome.

Andrew:

And it can use the resurgent Nazis as a boogeyman to frighten the nation into

Andrew:

communism.

Blair:

I think you pegged it, Andy.

Blair:

I think you've pegged really.

Andrew:

It's really ugly.

Andrew:

Look, the Marxists left to claim they're the

Andrew:

educated.

Andrew:

A lot of them have phds and stuff.

Andrew:

They have to know.

Andrew:

Historically, one, the white Europeans have

Andrew:

been no worse than the Muslims, imperialists, or Genghis Khan and the Mongols, a whole bunch

Andrew:

of other non westerners.

Andrew:

And two, western civilization has created

Andrew:

enormous advances that promote human life all over the world.

Andrew:

They have to know they're evading on a massive scale if they don't.

Andrew:

So they know it's dishonest to pick on the white man, that he's the evil creature in

Andrew:

human history.

Andrew:

Like I tell my students when it comes up, the

Andrew:

simple answer is about white Europeans or Americans.

Andrew:

One, no worse than anybody else.

Andrew:

Two, much better in many cases.

Andrew:

And three, western civilization is enormously life giving.

Andrew:

This came up in my logic class.

Andrew:

To blame the white man for all the world zeals

Andrew:

is a vast example of the half truth fallacy, or a one 10th of a truth fallacy.

Andrew:

So the marxist left knows this.

Andrew:

There's some purpose they have here.

Andrew:

One is the grift to get money from the white middle class.

Andrew:

Yeah, shake down exactly.

Andrew:

But that's almost innocent compared to, I

Andrew:

think, to the underlying motive to try and revitalize the Nazi left and replicate in

Andrew:

America what we saw in Germany in 1930.

Blair:

I know.

Blair:

They're so full of self loathing that they

Blair:

can't stand to see anybody happy, no matter what color their skin.

Andrew:

Yeah, that's true.

Blair:

Listen, gentlemen, I hate to cut this short.

Blair:

I've got about five minutes before I have to be somewhere or to go somewhere.

Blair:

So can we wrap this up on a positive note?

Andrew:

Positive note? Well, my novel is about race wars.

Andrew:

I don't know how positive.

Blair:

Does it have?

Andrew:

A positive, but let's just discuss it literarily.

Andrew:

They'd say the writer's question is, what if years ago it occurred to me, what if a nazi

Andrew:

war criminal who's on the run seeks to hide by converting to Judaism, becoming a rabbi, and

Andrew:

then ministering to all of these Jews as a rabbi?

Andrew:

Well, that's a striking example here.

Andrew:

And that's the heart of the story.

Andrew:

We're in Brooklyn, there's racial conflict between Jews and blacks.

Andrew:

This is based loosely on such racial conflict back to the 1980s and early ninety s and the

Andrew:

Mossad, somebody that context the israeli consulate, that one of the rabbis who claims

Andrew:

to be defending Jews against blacks.

Andrew:

But he's also in some degree he does also very

Andrew:

violent.

Andrew:

Based on the real life Rabbi Maya Kahani, who

Andrew:

formed the Jewish Defense League, who's a really violent guy.

Andrew:

And they informed the Masad.

Andrew:

The Masad sends its top real tough guy, Mick

Andrew:

Davidson, who's from Brooklyn originally, but now he's an israeli commando Maasad field

Andrew:

agent.

Andrew:

He's a James Bond kind of character to try to

Andrew:

track down this nazi war criminal in the midst of all this racial violence in Brooklyn.

Andrew:

So that's part of the story.

Andrew:

Rabbi Jacob Paris, 90 something years old, is

Andrew:

a Holocaust survivor and a man of peace, trying to bring peace.

Andrew:

His daughter Giselle Paris is a Krav Maga expert who has covertly killed a couple of

Andrew:

these black nationalists who murdered her son.

Andrew:

And she's filled, she's got this terrible

Andrew:

secret.

Andrew:

And the sparks fly between Davidson and

Andrew:

Giselle Paris.

Andrew:

So there is a love story.

Andrew:

There is a love story in the midst of race.

Andrew:

The real, just real quick, the real heavy in

Andrew:

the story is the black nationalist leader Miri Bantu Biko, who I love because he's like, he's

Andrew:

a Francisco.

Andrew:

For those who know Atlas, Atlas Shrugg, he's a

Andrew:

Francisco danconia of evil.

Andrew:

He's better than everybody at everything.

Andrew:

He's tall and lean and handsome.

Andrew:

He's more brilliant than anybody else.

Andrew:

He's physically more able as a boxer or in any physical activity.

Andrew:

He's a giant, but he's a giant of evil.

Andrew:

He's a Nazi.

Andrew:

He's reversed favored and disfavored races as a black nationalist, but he holds the

Andrew:

essential principle of national socialism, and that is that race war, not class war, but race

Andrew:

war, is the impelling force of human history.

Andrew:

And consequently, it's only by racial violence

Andrew:

that the black man can gain justice, and not just in african nations to overthrow the

Andrew:

colonialist, but to gain power in the white man's homeland, in North America or in Europe.

Andrew:

He wants a black revolution.

Andrew:

And then the colorblind black leaders and

Andrew:

jewish leaders are fighting this.

Andrew:

In the midst of all this, McDavidson's hunting

Andrew:

one of these rabbis who's suspected to be the nazi war criminal, and he and Giselle Paris

Andrew:

have this love hate relationship.

Andrew:

So there's a lot going on in reckoning.

Andrew:

And I'll say this, if anybody, here's the positive, Blair.

Andrew:

If anybody can know violence, because this is about race, this is a hell of a story with a

Andrew:

very powerful right, then.

Blair:

All right, good.

Blair:

That should, we should end that.

Blair:

Andy, again, thank you.

Blair:

Give us your web presence.

Andrew:

Andrewburnstein. Net. They could find out about me and my books.

Andrew:

I'm on Facebook and Twitter, and of course, my books are all up on Amazon.

Andrew:

Just type in Andrew Bernstein reckoning or american racism, any of my books, capitalist

Andrew:

manifesto, heroes, legends, champions, they're all up on Amazon.

Andrew:

But my website is very good.

Blair:

Very good.

Blair:

All right, ladies and gentlemen, our guest

Blair:

today was Andrew Bernstein, author, philosopher, and all around great guy.

Blair:

Andy, thanks for manning the Foxhole with us today.

Andrew:

It's always great to be in the foxhole with you guys.

Andrew:

Thanks, Blair and Martin.

Andrew:

All right.

Andrew:

Thank you.

Martin:

Thanks, Andy.

Andrew:

Thank you.

Andrew:

Bye.

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