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Coherence is our quintessential Dinner Party Movie. This week on our Dinner Party Movie Series we try to figure out where this multiverse gathering diverges. Is this our Emily? Could we beat our doubles in a fist fight? How does multiverse time travel work anyway?
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Show Notes/Timestamps
00:00 What we watched this week - Dead To Me Season 3, The Good Nurse, Capturing the Killer Nurse, Old People, Lou, Significant Other, X, Barbarian, Alita Battle Angel, Underwater, Hunting Bigfoot, Dash Cam
12:54 Why Dinner Party Movies/Coherence Intro
14:30 Coherence Summary (Spoilers)
18:12 Coherence Director, Cast, and Trivia
19:00 Coherence Discussion
39:00 Scott Explains the Multiverse, Schrodinger's Cat, quantum Coherence, and Time Travel
43:00 Coming Up On The Last Video Store Clerks Dinner Party Series
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Dinner Party Movie - Coherence
[:Does this hold up? And just, what the hell is a good movie? Anyway, I'm Frank Roll. I'm Scott Moran, and we are the last video store
[:Well, you know, I went from a week long vacation to being sick for half a week and still clearing it all out.
[:[00:00:46] Frank Roll: girl from Freaks
[:Yeah. But uh, they did it anyway. Good for her. It's badass. No, she's a trooper man. It was good. The story ended up really, it was a good one.
[:[00:01:01] Scott Moran: Bundy, always a Bundy Cyclo. So good. . He's so good. Did you watch that show, the first one or two episodes? That was the only thing really. I didn't have time over Thanksgiving to watch anything.
The movie we watched today, because there was just football on there the whole time. And I am not interested, but I stare at it. You're like, no sports. Uh, I would watch a hockey game. Yeah. I like hockey a lot. Okay. But, uh, no football. Yeah. And I won't seek out watching a hockey game. Like if somebody was like, do you want to go to one?
I'd be like, sure. Well, and
[:[00:01:33] Scott Moran: right now. And I'm like, Yeah, and that's as hard to watch on TV as hockey. I would rather go to a hockey game too. Cause seeing one on tv, like where's the book , where it's at? Who's got heat streak? They've got the streak. What'd he do? I'm just watching the big guy who can't skate, just follow the streak.
He's definitely gonna hit someone.
[:[00:01:51] Scott Moran: enforcers. I know. To be honest, if you could watch La , I would rather do that than watch sports go to like a LA match. Yeah. Although I will take a nap to golf. It's good.
[:[00:02:05] Scott Moran: but na was an afternoon also good to take
[:Yeah.
[:[00:02:15] Frank Roll: like a womb. It's like a rum stein song. , um, black. Like I said, I had a fucking week long vacation, then I got sick. I had lots of time for the movies. Yeah. You're always sick. Unless I know it's gonna be once a month. Now I get a. It's weird. I was inside for too long. I'm, I'm chalking it up to that and having a three year old between those two things, just immune system is shot.
It's just not what it used to. I used to get sick once and it was always like summertime and every now and then I'd get sick in the winter too for like three to five days. But lately, last two years, maybe six times a year, I'm sick. like, no shit. No, but I watch a lot of shit. Watch the Good Nurse Jessica Chastain.
Oh yeah.
[:[00:02:56] Frank Roll: And uh, A little weird fucker. Little
[:[00:02:59] Frank Roll: mean, I don't even like to say . Just, you know, he, he's in the good nurse with Jessica Chastain. Weird fuck Little what? Weird
[:[00:03:10] Frank Roll: He's just creepy. He is a little creepy. He plays, but he plays a great role sometimes.
Like this role. He was great in it. Creepy little guy.
[:[00:03:19] Frank Roll: this was based on a true story. .
[:[00:03:25] Frank Roll: No dogs on roller blade. No roller blades that make do, or not even, they're like rocket shoes. What are they? They roller
[:[00:03:35] Frank Roll: It was more like a ro. I can't do it with my throat. Oh my God. It's the worst. Well, that was based on True story. So in true Netflix fashion, I
[:[00:03:47] Frank Roll: I know me, Kus is just way too believable. She's the queen of bees. She had no idea, like a modern day Cinderella who, who to thunk it, who would've thought that was a thing? So Netflix puts out capturing the killer nurse, the documentary behind.
[:[00:04:02] Frank Roll: I watched, yeah.
The, the fictional like retelling. Then I watched the document. You know, certain things were changed for our entertainment. Did you
[:[00:04:13] Frank Roll: that I did it movie than document.
[:[00:04:23] Frank Roll: ii.
Yeah. Did you know this about the German subs? Come here, check out . I'm watching this with me. Boy. It's called a Howitzer, but uh, yeah, the guy's name was, uh, Charles Cullen, probably one of the biggest mass murders in American history. The spoiler, they're saying it could have been as high as 400 people murdered by this guy working
[:How do I not know who that guy is? A
[:[00:04:59] Scott Moran: doing.
Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. There's some nurses like.
[:[00:05:16] Scott Moran: Did you watch any regular movies?
Ton
[:[00:05:22] Scott Moran: see that. I've been wanting to see that. So
[:That's crazy. Old people right there. The saliva. I mean, they nailed it.
[:[00:05:44] Frank Roll: I like. I saw German horror movie and I was like, give it a shot. And it was dubbed. I'm like, I'm fine with dubbed right now.
You know? It was a little late. Didn't have to strain to read the subtitles since I'm an old man. Worth it. I'm gonna do, it's worth it. Um, watch Lou. It's got a Allison, Janie Crazy chick. She's kind of funny. You know how I love Drop Dead? Gorgeous. She's the mom's friend. Oh yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of like an equalizer.
John Wick almost, not John Wick really just she's got skills. Oh yeah. Like a taken thing. Yeah. It's got a particular set of skills people not everybody knows about. Is
[:[00:06:18] Frank Roll: Okay. And based in the eighties in like the Pacific Northwest? Yeah, it had our boy,
[:Uh,
[:[00:06:33] Scott Moran: also in the invitation. Yeah, I put that on there too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which we'll be getting to this week, which we'll be getting
[:[00:06:39] Scott Moran: And not this week, but this
[:Significant
[:[00:06:56] Frank Roll: That's the guy I directed. That's him, right? Uhhuh. Okay. And it's got plop from the, uh, American office in it. Um, and the chick I recognized from some stuff won't get into that, but
[:[00:07:13] Frank Roll: That's why she looks so familiar.
Yeah, extra familiar.
[:[00:07:19] Frank Roll: was coming up great as well In the Woods, but not a found footage. It almost looks like it's gonna be a found. But it's not. And in the cast it says like two names. You're like, oh, this is about these two people in the woods.
Not a to, you know, not too far off from that. But not the case, not found footage. And uh, I don't know. Is it aliens? ?
[:[00:07:41] Frank Roll: Okay. And then, uh, I watched X, finally watched X.
[:[00:07:45] Frank Roll: good. I loved it. It was great. I loved it. Um, you know, I love the throwback. Good cast. Everybody did. Loved how gross it got in there too.
It was really
[:[00:08:06] Frank Roll: But um, no. Still pretty gross though. So glad I had time for that. Got it off the list.
[:[00:08:16] Frank Roll: but, well, I did have two re watches underwater. Kristin Stewart, you know? Fuck. Yeah, it was, it was good though. I like that one.
I take it, I kind of feel like that one should tie into the whole Cloverfield JJ Abrams thing. Somehow
[:[00:08:33] Frank Roll: movie. And this one's just right there. The other rewatch was Lead a Battle Angel, Robert Rodriguez.
You rewatched
[:[00:08:39] Frank Roll: All right. And then I was just, I was like, well, what's up with the, All up in the air man. And apparently the script hasn't even been greenlighted, so it's looking like it might not be a thing. I, you
[:And it's satisfying for the people who like
[:[00:09:06] Scott Moran: that's how I measure things. Like, I'm like, if I can get over that, I can get over anything.
Yeah. I, I can give this a go. Like, I really enjoyed that after I let my shit go. Mm-hmm. all of my like, stuffy, judgmental bullshit and really got into it. We,
[:Watched a documentary about big. This scare you? Well, it's called hunting Bigfoot, and it's more about the people who are hunting Bigfoot, like this man in particular, John Green. He had a clothing line in the eighties. So the, the point of this documentary was like, is this man okay? What caused him to believe he saw Oh's foot's?
And then it's like, he's like, I've never really hung out with these other guys. I think, I think they're full of shit. And he is. But he's been in America forever. But yeah, he basically lost millions in his business, lost his wife, gave up everything he sees, big foot in the woods. So that's his passion. Now, that's where he goes.
He lives in the fucking woods almost. But like he has a girlfriend who, he stops by her house and showers, but it turns out she's just a little free going. She's hooking up with one of the other big foot guys in a Coherence scene, and it's like, So Chick just likes to hook up with these older Bigfoot gentlemen and she looks younger than them, and it's just like, whoa, fucking Washington is weird.
Oh, that is bizarre. But yeah, it's about this like basically these two guys who really, they're looking for Bigfoot and they have their stories, and this one dude is so gone at times you're like, oh. You see where they're going with this? Damn, that hurts to watch. I'd never seen a Bigfoot documentary like this done, and I think that's why it, it had a pretty good rating on like Rotten Tomatoes and imdb.
I've
[:He was working in Mendocino County, and then he was like, let's look into it. And he uncovers like a murder. It's crazy. Holy fuck. Yeah, that was like covered with Bigfoot and it's so, it's all about. The dangerous weed culture in like the nineties uncover all this stuff and people are not happy about it.
[:[00:11:24] Scott Moran: Fuck, it's like four episodes. You'll love it. Okay. Oh, I was like hooked. I watched the whole thing in one sitting. I, I
[:Oh, there was a little twist. I like that. That was a little more Bigfoot related. Outside of that. Finally watched Barbarian.
[:[00:11:46] Frank Roll: That's what I need. Imagine if I did this much while doing things in sick. Imagine if I just watched movies.
This is over 10. Anyway, barbarian Good. Didn't see it going there. I thought for sure it was
[:[00:12:14] Frank Roll: It just, yeah, like a lot of bad decisions led to a lot of crazy
[:[00:12:25] Frank Roll: Last one that I wanna mention, dash cam. It was kind of a found footage Streaming one. Yeah. But the main character is like a conservative who's like anti mask dude.
The main person streams on her phone. And when you look at the reviews, they're like, is she like that in real? Like people were so jilted by her performance. They were like, she's so fucking annoying. And I'm like, means it was working, but it kept getting creepier and fucking creepier and you're like, what the fuck is going on?
It was, I'll say paranormal. I
[:I think I've watched this movie four times. And, uh, I enjoy it the same every time. It's really weird.
[:But once I turned it off, I was like, you need to re-watch. That frankly, was an narcolepsy. I went back to 15 minutes in and watched it from 15 minutes to there. Oh, no shit. So I kind of watched it twice in a row.
[:[00:13:41] Frank Roll: something else.
That's part of what made me do it is I started rewinding it and I, there'd be a part that I was a little gray on, so I'd be like, well, let's just clear this up. But then as soon as I'd get to that spot, I'd be like, oh yeah, no, no, no. That's right. Before this just fucking hit rewind more. It's
[:And the reason we like dinner party movies so much, I think is the amount of tension in a one scene movie. It has an effect on you cuz they're bouncing from that many people and trying to balance it and they're all in the same room. This one is fucking crazy. I forgot
[:I feel like I missed a lot. I wasn't putting all that, the mixing
[:[00:14:24] Frank Roll: notes, I know, I think I took notes just to remember where I realized or where I got confused about things.
[:However, we've chosen to place it first in the dinner party series because the mechanics of. Dinner party movie are Quantum. If we don't cover this one first, we won't have time to discuss how it's a dinner party movie. All the other movies I feel like have simpler.
[:There's levels
[:[00:14:59] Frank Roll: has the
[:I cannot stress enough that you should watch this movie. This is one of my favorite science fiction movies of all time. I just happened on it. Amazon kept suggesting it to me.
[:[00:15:20] Scott Moran: remember texting you in o.
[:And then finally I tried it. I was like, that's not Gillian Anderson. It does kind of look like her. They do that on purpose
[:It might be really boring if I gave you a blow by blow of the movie. So I'll give you a really scattered version. Eight friends living in California on the night of Miller's comment, passing overhead reunite at the home of Mike and his wife Lee for an evening of food and. The film opens with Emily pulling up to the house while talking to her boyfriend Kevin, on the phone when the screen inexplicably shatters in her hand.
He has invited her along to a business trip in Vietnam, though she is hesitant to leave. Also in attendance are another couple. Beth and Hugh last to arrive as a mirror who brings Kevin's inappropriately for flirtatious ex Lauren, who immediately makes things awkward by bringing up. That Emily is the understudy to the lead in a ballet that she wrote and choreographed.
I feel like that's maybe the most important part of the story. She's gonna be our main character after the meal. As the guests sip wine, the power goes out. Mike busts out boxes of glow, sticks for light. Choosing blue. They find their phones don't work, and the internet's out. Everybody's phone is broken.
They notice the whole block is out except for one house up the street. Hugh and Amir decide to go to the lid house to ask to use their phone and when they return, Hugh has a cut on his face and they have a box they found containing a ping pong paddle and pictures of each of them with a number on the back.
Amir's picture appears to have been taken that night though no one has yet taken a picture of him. He was upset and tells everyone when he looked in the lit house, it was this house and the table was set for dinner. He writes a note to leave on the other house's door, but before he can finish writing it, somebody approaches the door and sticks it to it.
They deduce that the comment has flipp the street into diverging realities. Beth is accused of spiking the food with a vial. Ketamine. She brought. Mike becomes afraid that the other version of himself has started drinking again and is plotting to kill him, and so he has to kill him before he kills them.
Lori makes a move on Kevin. In the hallway and other trip outside the group sees themselves across the streets. The Amir and Hugh that have returned are revealed to have red glows. And they take the box and they leave. Emily goes to the car to get a ring. For some reason she runs into another Kevin and he like sneaks away into the darkness cuz he realizes it's not his.
Emily, Emily returns and then realizes the house she left isn't the house that she has come back to. She confides in Mike that they may be at the wrong house. He has started drinking and now says that they should just stay put. Moments later, another Mike bursts in and beats the shit out of him. Emily flees into the dark looking for a reality that is on a better path than the one she just left and stay until the comet passes, even if she must take the place of another Emily.
[:Alex Manuian Amir co-wrote the outline and worked as a plant to keep the plot on track and to hit each scene's goal. The film premiered at Fantastic Fest in 2013. I think
[:[00:18:52] Frank Roll: hole. Well, so that's why.
So Amir also co. So he was like a plant to keep things on
[:[00:19:06] Frank Roll: a creator, you're in there as an actor trying to keep the other characters being played in line.
That's fucking nuts. That's deep. And that takes some control. What's crazy, what you
[:Five nights. I can't believe this movie was made in five nights. It's crazy. I wonder how many
[:[00:19:35] Scott Moran: Oh, probably so many balls. .
[:[00:19:46] Scott Moran: colors of glow sticks.
Even at some point they cover the multifactor like it's a multifactor
[:[00:19:57] Scott Moran: Also. Did you feel like there was time displacement between, there had to be definitely because if he's writing the note and then the note is put on the door while he's writing it, well, not just
[:Yes, you're almost like getting further, further, further, further back in the timeline as things start to happen in the evening when she was going door to door. So she was so far back by the time she picked a spot. That's all I'll say for right now cause I'm not ready to get into the end
[:You see multiverse movies all the time now. Everyone is pretty used to them, but this one is very well thought out and. What I kept wanting to try to figure out every time I watch this movie is where are the divergent moments happening and whether they're so. Or if they're something else. I like the dinner party setup because I don't think a dinner party movie necessarily has to be all dinner, but it does have to be contained to the party, and this one never leaves the room.
At most. It goes to the hallway or the yard, maybe the bathroom for a quick sec. But you don't see much of the house?
[:[00:21:06] Scott Moran: Lee was the one napping. Okay. I thought it was Beth. Beth was the tall blonde, right?
Yeah, I think so. I think Lee comes back with the glasses. It's hard to keep track of this many people. Yeah. Lee was taking a nap and I think that built the tension up. Like, wait, where's that person? Where, where do
you
[:[00:21:27] Scott Moran: Yes. Um, you're
[:[00:21:37] Scott Moran: Yeah. It's a good dream. . I think that the best thing about this is that a lot of these dinner party situations, it's very simple. Just don't do that. But in a group of people that big.
You're not gonna get
[:[00:21:59] Scott Moran: outside. Oh, do you think just going outside caused some of the, just
[:Like Yeah. Or you know, maybe you didn't go back to the same house at. In some situations, I'm just saying that's a hypothetical, you know, so many things. Were changing house to house, and that's the thing at the beginning we think, oh, there's two houses. Yeah, there's us, and just our opposites. But then when you're talking about a multidimensional or time driven space, then you can't even say what it is.
[:[00:22:33] Frank Roll: Coherence. Cause each one is a Coherence possibility, so everything's Coherence. Even if just a little bit, it could be the most minuscule change between all characters at each house.
[:Oh, well, multiple ones got the bump on their head. Uhhuh just the one said he fell down. We don't know about the other one, but it. Fishy anyway, and then with the time being off some Amir and Hugh come back to the house with blue glow
[:Well, the only
[:[00:23:20] Frank Roll: towards the end in one of the bathroom scenes where I think we may have lost our Emily, if you really think about it, cuz there's a spot where she takes out one of the M's.
And then when she comes back in, there's one that's struggling. And then after that, something else happened. That made me think, well, after that one that was struggling, was that the same one? See, it's really hard. It was that like giving them like a number designation.
[:Almost treated her like she was submissive and then she was dismissive of her being hesitant to go to Vietnam. She was just like kind of belittling her cuz she gave up her ballet. Some other lady got picked and was famous for her ballet, for her work. She wasn't sure. She wanted to walk away from being the understudy and it was her work.
And I think this movie was really like about that Emily taking charge, but then getting a little outta hand. It got outta hand , but. Yeah, it had to
[:[00:24:18] Scott Moran: at that point. It paralleled that thing where she was carrying that weight of somebody else took my life and she was like, I, I'll take it even if it's from myself.
Yeah. Fucking god damn. But you have to have that in a dinner party movie. A little bit of a, a conflict when you arrive, and I don't think. The rest of these movies are gonna be a little bit more from like, Laurie is sort of the outsider of the group. Mm-hmm. , Emily feels real comfortable, like she's seen all these people recently.
But I think that as we go through the rest of the movies, it's mostly gonna be from the outsiders point of view or estranged person.
[:[00:24:56] Scott Moran: No. And that's why we picked all these, they're all very Coherence. Totally Coherence.
Actually, I don't know. I haven't seen Silent Night. Did you ever see, I've talked about it on the podcast before, but the, the monsters are due on Maple Street, the Twilight Zone episode where the power goes out on the block. No. One of the neighbors has built a bomb shelter. Cause this is like post World War ii.
Yeah. Yeah. Cold War. Yeah. They all turn on that guy to get the bomb shelter. No, just why are you prepared for this? Oh, and. They become real suspicious of one another. And I think that this movie has a little bit of that DNA in it. I think at the end of that episode, it ends up being the aliens turn the power off just to see what happens, how they turned on each other.
like an experiment. Yeah, like the aliens didn't do anything, but they're like, one of you is an alien to their neighbors. But I like to see a whole group of people. That are old friends turn on each other when they get stuck because you're usually, you're
[:these days for sure. All these movies lately, this one was what, 2013. But already what They were together hours and this shit was going down and they were all starting to lose it, even in the Coherence dimensions
[:It's just we all have to be here for this. It's a
[:[00:26:09] Scott Moran: never been to a dinner party. Have you ever been to a dinner party? You're married with children? I think we, I
[:[00:26:15] Scott Moran: That wasnt a holiday family one or a holiday one or anything like that, like somebody was having a dinner party.
Do people do that anymore? They probably do. I'm not
[:[00:26:37] Scott Moran: This is the most boring thing you've ever said, . It was real easy to do. We put the leaf in
[:[00:26:49] Scott Moran: why we never do it.
[:[00:26:58] Scott Moran: Mike was the other character that I thought was really the most fleshed out. Everyone was a little flat. As far as characters, maybe Beth was the eccentric older lady who's got ketamine. Yeah, essential oils.
[:Oh yeah. Must
[:[00:27:24] Frank Roll: No, Beth was, Beth did her thing a little much at. And I didn't get some of the attitude that was there from the beginning. What was it between like Beth, Lori, Emily and Lori understood. But Beth and Lori was like, ah, y'all are just
[:Maybe uh, Beth just didn't like Lori. Maybe she was like, let me bring this bitch here with my friend here.
[:[00:27:45] Scott Moran: fan. Hugh was like a guy I wouldn't like, but he was really, he had his head on
[:[00:27:54] Scott Moran: was the quantum physicist and despite the relatively simple quantum physics, yeah, I think that's what you have to do to really
[:Soda machines. That's true. You know, last time the comment passed there was a lot more
[:I almost wondered if that was where they started the evening that day. Like there was always a realization and everybody was trying to get into it and put everyone back in the room together.
[:And then you're like, wait, who was I tracking?
[:[00:28:43] Frank Roll: let it go. You have to let it go cuz you're not meant to hang on that tight and try and do like the card trick, you know, like, oh, where's the ACEs spades?
You know what I. You gotta let go of that card. You
[:[00:28:54] Frank Roll: and you just gotta realize, hey, assume that this is RM and that M kind of has an idea of what her goal is at this
[:She tries to keep Mike from going over there and stopping himself so hardcore. Yeah. She's like, no, you're gonna find you not. Could I kick my own ass? But do I think I could take myself, if you came
[:[00:29:22] Scott Moran: were just like, well, there was that one house where they got two of 'em.
Had 'em tied up.
[:[00:29:29] Scott Moran: I like more intense and I wish that I could have gotten all those things, but I think them just showing you a little bit of it was really important. It could have gotten so much more outta control. And I wanna say like with more budget and stuff like that, this is a $50,000 movie.
Five days man. Yeah, they did. Well this is one of the high points of streaming for me. I may never have found this movie otherwise.
[:[00:29:58] Scott Moran: uh, they did a great job. This one in uh, Ponty Pool are probably pinnacle streaming fines that I was just like, fuck it, I'm gonna watch.
Had no idea what it was. Ponty pool fucking rules. But anytime that dinner party movie comes up, if you tell me a tour or something, I'm gonna watch it. I like the setup. You don't get a lot of surprise, but I think that's cooler cuz it's one thing that you can just do a lot of stuff with and I think. This setup in this movie was used to a really extensive degree to really think about what it was, and then he didn't have to worry about any of that other stuff.
Everybody's reactions and what they say to each
[:[00:30:40] Scott Moran: I, I don't know, but I have a lot of. Questions, that I, that I want answered, but I like having them
[:Sorry if you haven't seen it. I mean, IMDB score was 7.2, so the people did
[:[00:30:59] Frank Roll: Well, and Ron Tomatoes had a, what the audience and the critic score were both in the eighties. I think
[:[00:31:10] Frank Roll: But it didn't actually have Jillian Anderson in, it didn't take her out of the movie. Imagine if it would've still had Jillian Anderson in it. I think
[:[00:31:23] Frank Roll: at the plot. And so Emily Wright, I kept wanting to see her as, uh, Sarah Polly, I think her name was from like the zombie, Don in the Dead and Go.
I kept seeing her as Sarah Poll and I was like, it's not, Like that's not her.
Just
[:[00:31:42] Frank Roll: she was. She was probably 30. Beth or Lee, sorry, I keep getting Beth and Lee mixed up. Beth was not.
[:[00:31:50] Frank Roll: old man.
Amir probably around 30. Well, and even, what's his name? Uh, Kevin. Wait,
[:[00:31:57] Frank Roll: out of, is that him? Is that that? That's Emily's
[:[00:32:04] Frank Roll: Yeah, he's like a knockoff dermo, morone.
Yes. Yeah. He's like, uh, the poor man's Aaron Mo, uh, dermo, mul . Aaron Mo. You're
[:[00:32:16] Frank Roll: No. You know, and he kind of looks like that other dude too. Who was the guy who played the Flash in the nineties? I have no idea. Yeah, I don't remember. That was that guy's name.
Kind of looks like if. Somehow two dudes could have a kid. Cuz people always say that. It's like, if Tom Hanks and Mel Gibson had a kid, how would they have a kid? It's Tom Hanks and Mel Gibson. You can't touch tips and make magic happen.
[:[00:32:41] Frank Roll: It's only cuz Danny DeVito was his doctor
[:[00:32:49] Frank Roll: Sorry that one's been a long time. Yeah, man. When's the last time I watched that?
[:[00:32:58] Frank Roll: jingle all the way every. I usually don't watch that one. Apparently that was like Olympia and her parent, like one of their go-tos was
[:Yeah. And sometimes I get in the mood to watch like, uh, a police officer and a kid movie . Cause there were a bunch of 'em. I think Cop and a half and uh, kindergarten cop are the, the ones that stick out. Cop and a half was Burt Reynolds. Burt Reynolds and the little black
[:We got way off. Yeah. Where. Oh, Wednesday. I haven't started Wednesday.
[:[00:33:36] Frank Roll: So, okay. Back to the glow sticks. They started creeping in the green glow sticks, like oh, third house.
[:[00:33:46] Frank Roll: Well, but they were three colors.
Red, blue, green. And the big thing at the beginning was like you knew which house you were in. Cuz was the red open or the blue open. I think they
[:[00:33:59] Frank Roll: shit. It has to be, have a starting point.
But then once they started, the first introduction to the green, I think wasn't just a glow stick. It was when she's, she goes to grab her notebook and there was already green written down. That's right. Yes. And that's when she was like, oh fuck, I'm not in the right. Wasn't it? Yeah, that was one of her. I'm in a Coherence place cuz she was like, wait, I just wrote this.
The first one she realized it was her handwriting.
[:[00:34:24] Frank Roll: I think. So came back and was already having a moment. But when she came back from her car and knew that that wasn't her, Kevin, she immediately like looked at the Kevin in the room. She just didn't acknowledge it with the group that like, oh, I saw another Kevin outside.
[:[00:34:41] Frank Roll: was aware of it. I for, I'm not sure who they were trying to imply, was watching. I got a little confused there and I did not hit rewind again. I was like, don't do it
[:But
[:[00:34:54] Scott Moran: happened to someone. Yeah, she definitely was aware it happened. And we may be making it sound confusing. If you haven't seen the movie, you should definitely watch it. It's part of the getting lost and being like, okay, I give up. I'm just gonna submit. It's like taking Ls D.
If you fight it, you're not gonna have a good time, but if you let it take you, It's pretty crazy . Cause I don't even think the dialogue was all that important. It was important that everyone was talking at once. Yeah. And uh, because really they could have gone into an upstairs bedroom and like stood with their backs to each other with knives and they would've been fine.
All you really had to do was stay inside and make sure that nobody kills you
[:[00:35:39] Scott Moran: locked. If they didn't keep leaving, there wouldn't have been so many.
Yeah, they were generating
[:[00:35:48] Scott Moran: Amir and Hue. I wondered too, when they went outside the first time and they saw the house. Mm-hmm. , and then they came back and the glass was broken. They didn't go outside and come back to a Coherence house right then,
[:The green glass was in there when they were washing dishes and talking, and it was back. So you're like, oh, this isn't the same house. Well, you
[:[00:36:14] Frank Roll: So, and the one where they're drying it and she puts it on the counter, and then later when you see it, there's only one green.
All the rest are like champagne glasses or wine glasses. There's only one green dish they ever show.
[:[00:36:27] Frank Roll: yeah. But yeah, cuz at one point when they're doing dishes, they set it down, it's the only one. And then later in one of the last houses em goes in, it's there again, the only green one, and it's not broken.
So it's kind of like this. You're still not in that house. I did follow the green glass.
[:[00:36:47] Frank Roll: early. Cuz they come back in and they're like, I don't remember that
[:Something changes, something's gonna change if it's not being watched. Like the shredders cat thing. If you're not watching it. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's why. Oh, the phone thing was weird too cuz like one of the Hughes phones still worked and he showed it to him and her phone broke the moment she arrived. So I wonder if the changes didn't start happening much earlier.
[:[00:37:14] Scott Moran: one. She was in the car driving, still driving. So at the
[:[00:37:20] Scott Moran: That's a good question. Cause
[:[00:37:24] Scott Moran: it could have been. Like a, a universe where
[:sorry. No, that's,
[:[00:37:49] Frank Roll: one had never. ,
[:Cause we just assumed that's when it started. But her phone broke earlier.
[:[00:38:07] Scott Moran: earth finally made a sense. Well, with the time jumps, it could still be happening behind the arrow of time. Like back there. There's always, but where does the ripple.
When the comet passes, the ocean has no walls. Some of it still has to keep moving forward. It wasn't a bootstrap paradox where you get to the end of it and or you like go back in time and have sex with your grandmother and then no, but with
[:[00:38:33] Scott Moran: Well, not in this particular case it cuz it's about coherence and them seeing all of the universes happening on top of each other for a period of time.
So eventually that would still have
[:[00:38:48] Scott Moran: I mean, the time travel part of me kicks in there and is like, whatever happened happened. It had to, because that still has to be true. Even IF'S cutoff a million possibilities.
[:[00:39:01] Scott Moran: cutoff.
Well, there was a little bit of offset time. Mm-hmm. , right. So in each universe, time has to keep moving forward. And even if somebody from a Coherence time stream came over to your time and displaced you, I think as far as physics go, there shouldn't be two in the same place at the same time. They should trade mass when they switched to another one.
But like, uh, from the perspective of the future, Emily, that wakes up in the morning, whatever happened last. Had to have always happened that way no matter what. Like say she could go back in time and go to a time before she went to the house. Even if she went back and did things to stop everyone from going to the house, they always would've had to go to the house.
That's how like time travel works in my
[:[00:39:53] Scott Moran: universes. Yeah. The rules of physics in each universe remain the same. They have. That doesn't change possibilities. It's everyone's, uh, it's kind of like the question of like, is there fa there's only so many decisions you can make in each moment.
Yeah. Everyone came to the party with the same set of decision making skills in every universe. It's when they started to split up and create a stumps, as they say, to dehumanize.
Be racist against yourself from other universes. Friendship. I've been watching Fringe, that's for sure. This is the stuff I like thinking about though. I want a movie that makes me think about paradoxes. That's my favorite kind of shit. I love trying to figure it out, and I've heard that the director can give you exact moments where the splits happen.
He thought of them, all of them. He talks about it with Pat Oswald, apparently on Vimeo for like $3. You can watch the director talk about the movie. And all the little splits for which I should have done one of these days. I'll watch it. Yeah, well I just, I just didn't have time. It's Thanksgiving week.
We're kicking off this dinner party movie. I'm still trying to figure out what the series is and we'll figure it out as we go along. And then we'll have more series. We'll have a nice bone structure for what a series is. You would like the structure of a bone. I like, I like finding patterns. No, patterns
[:There's that movie with, uh, you know, the tall. Russell Crow, , the other one.
[:[00:41:35] Frank Roll: Uh, you know, he was in
[:But when you do it like this, I'm always so impressed. Like primer. Did you ever see primer? I didn't. Primer is just, there's just two dudes in the. It's sort of a time travel thing. They make a time travel machine to get things
[:No, I'd put it on a list at some point. It might still be on one of the lists, to be honest with you,
[:[00:42:25] Frank Roll: you know, this movie's way better than phase 87 of Marvel, and
[:I don't have anything against Fast and the Furious movies or Marvel movies. It must be so hard to write one. That's good though. Believe me. I tried that first book. The first book I wrote, jumping Between Universes and Time Being Off and mm-hmm . I got really confused and it was. And I started to write something else one day, maybe one day.
Oh, it'll be a drawer book forever. One day
[:[00:42:50] Scott Moran: glow stick. To do it, I'm gonna get a box of glow sticks and I'm gonna set it on my desk just for that ,
[:[00:43:01] Scott Moran: get confused. I also think accidentally we picked some of my favorite things.
Next we're doing. The invitation, a little culty. And then I don't know what silent night is. I haven't read the description. I wanna be surprised. Don't
[:[00:43:14] Scott Moran: anything. This is gonna be a really fun month of movies.
[:[00:43:24] Scott Moran: Dustin Hoffman. Until next time when we watch the Invitation, have a nice dinner. Yum .
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