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90 - What People have said about the Herbalism, PTSD and Traumatic Stress Course
Episode 9019th March 2025 • The Frontline Herbalism Podcast • Solidarity Apothecary
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Welcome to the Frontline Herbalism Podcast with your host Nicole Rose from the

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Solidarity Apothecary.

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This is your place for all things plants and

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liberation.

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Let's get started.

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Welcome back to the Frontline Herbalism Podcast.

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I hope you have had a listen to the previous episodes where I have been ranting and raving

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about the herbalism PTSD and traumatic stress course.

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So if you haven't checked them out, I recorded a kind of episode all about the sliding scale

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and yeah how the solidarity places or like the free places work.

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I've also recorded a show all about the content, kind of in quite a lot of depth about

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how the course is structured, the sorts of materials you get,

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things like that and a little bit about the bonuses.

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So unfortunately you've missed the the waiting list bonus in the sense of potentially winning

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one of these amazing kind of packages of herbal medicines.

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But the first day bonus is still there and also the 10% discount code.

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So if you join the waiting list by Friday like before the course starts, then on Friday I'll

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email out a 10 off code that you can use if you are paying full price like you know,

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can save you a bunch of money.

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And yeah, for anyone who signs up on the first

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day you are entered into a kind of lottery and someone will win a free place on my practical

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medicine making course in June which is like a three day course all about how to make herbal

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medicine.

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Anyway, I won't talk about that now.

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I just, yeah, I've only got limited time while

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my mum looks after Lee and I wanted to share about what others have said about the course.

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I know testimonials can be kind of powerful to read.

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I also, you know, I'm one of those people that over researches everything so if I'm going to

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order anything online I will always look at reviews and stuff and like my partner's just

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like oh Nicole, just buy the thing.

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But yeah, I thought I would share some of the reviews which are on the course page and yeah

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and just kind of use them as an option as a way to talk about the course a little bit

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more.

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So yeah, you can see these, so you can see all of these online.

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But yeah, I thought I would start with an amazing human called Glena who came on,

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actually came on the practical medicine making course as well.

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She wrote highly recommend Learning from Nicole's Teaching.

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Learning from Solidarity Path Korea.

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Nicole's teaching style is so accessible and

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the curriculum she designs highlights the need for collective action against state violence

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and systemic issues whilst cultivating practices of self care.

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This Isn't another capitalist self care course centering individual wellness?

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This is proper embodied lead practice and real community care skills.

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Go check out Nicole's books and courses and support her work in prison, abolition and

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medicine.

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Making for refugees with a little rose.

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Oh, so thank you for that.

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Yeah.

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And then another,

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more recent one Sophia wrote.

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Before this course I was dealing with a lot of shame about my activated symptoms and

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inability to function at a high level.

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I put a lot of responsibility on myself alone

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for how I was being affected by numerous systems of oppression within our society.

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I also felt as though I was drowning out of control in my body and unable to rely on

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anyone for support in times of grief or stress.

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It's been beyond helpful and healing to hear Nicole break down the contributors to these

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states of stress in an honest and non pathologizing way.

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I now feel like I understand myself and this world better.

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I feel so comforted that I can turn to herbs for gentle support at any time and I feel like

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I have someone on my side.

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I have been making many different teas and I'm

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learning how to make medicines gradually over time.

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Outside of emotional stuff, I'm a huge nerd and love geeking out and learning about all

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the different herbs and ways to make medicine.

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It's so cool.

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I'm so excited to share this knowledge with friends and loved ones and would highly

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recommend this course to anyone seeking knowledge and gentle support.

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So obviously I'm, you know, I'm sad that Sofia has said about how they're feeling.

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I'm just going to use they for everyone because I don't know people's pronouns, just

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FYI.

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But yeah, like this is one of the things that the course does is it can help give you this

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language and these tools to name how you're feeling and understand the sort of state that

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you're in.

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Like the kind of nervous system state.

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Okay, so T said.

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It's so clear how much thought has gone into

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this course.

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I knew it would be good, but it's exceeded my

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expectations.

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Nicole is not just incredibly knowledgeable,

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but has a passionate integrity which is really clear in the course.

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I really appreciate how accessible it is.

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As someone who fluctuates with energy, focus

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and stability.

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I can pick up where I left off or continue to

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revisit parts if I have a long gap.

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There is no pressure or time sensitive demand placed on me which I really value and helps me

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to learn.

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Thank you so much Nicole.

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I didn't realize like reading these out is going to like make me feel like,

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like you know, like you have to really learn to take compliments if that makes sense.

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Like it's an uncomfortable place.

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But yeah, I am committed to trying to, yeah, get as many as people as possible really doing

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this course because like I said, I really believe in it.

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But yeah,

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I like forgot that this would be a thing in this episode, if that makes sense.

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But yeah, like I mentioned before, like the course is like designed to be as stress free

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as possible, so you can pick it up and put it down.

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You know, you can spend a whole weekend like binging material and then you can not look at

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it for six months.

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And then when something happens that's or you

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need more support, you can revisit it.

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You know, like I just want it to be nourishing for you.

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Okay, so Michelle wrote.

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I'd been studying herbalism for quite a while

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when I came across Nicole's course, Herbalism, PTSD and Traumatic Stress.

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I can say without a doubt that she delivers a ton of helpful content and honestly can feel

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the energy she poured into creating this.

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I have learned a lot and with the many resources she provides, I know this

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information will be helpful to the clients I work with and myself.

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I highly recommend the Herbalism, PTSD and Traumatic Stress course to anyone wanting to

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explore this topic.

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Thank you.

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And then someone else called Nicole, same name

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snap, says this course is thorough.

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Not only does it contain a ton of plant

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profiles or nervines, I've also learned a ton about herbalism, PTSD and the nervous system

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in general.

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Or from an anti capitalist, anti colonialism perspective that acknowledges the trauma of

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both of these things and how we can heal from it.

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All right,

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so Peach wrote.

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I wanted to thank Nicole for this absolutely

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amazing course and space.

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I was first introduced to her work via a

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podcast with propaganda by the Seed and since have printed the Prisoner's Herbal.

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Listened to her podcast, done the glycerite course, and now the Herbalism, PTSD and

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Traumatic Stress course.

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Amazing.

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Also, like yeah, please check out that

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podcast.

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It's awesome.

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What keeps me coming back is how much care and intention is put into each project she

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creates.

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I was looking for a space to deep dive into

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herbalism without the toxicity of institutions or traditional learning spaces.

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Nicole provided exactly what I was looking for.

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I have filled a whole notebook with information and resources that I continuously

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come back to.

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I appreciate the balance of her being

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extremely detailed with the content while also always trying her best to keep every course as

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accessible and approachable as possible.

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I would recommend this course or any other one to any of my friends looking to engage with

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plants and how we can work with them.

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Thank you.

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So Carla said.

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I've been slowly working my way through the

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Herbalism for Trauma and PTSD course online and I'm so grateful for Nicole's approach and

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care of the topics, intersections and the real world context in which she teaches.

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I signed up for this to support myself and my community and also to learn and learn

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alongside my practice in soul herbalism.

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I have found the course so far to be

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validating, inspiring, accessible and grounded.

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I really appreciate how being able to read slides and listen to Nicole's explanations and

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how she shares examples while always giving wider context.

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Further reading and the disclaimer that there is no one answer to any of this work.

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Thank you so much for creating such a fierce and compassionate herbalism course.

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Thanks Carla, that's so sweet.

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Yeah, I hope this isn't boring to listen to, but I just want to just emphasize that people

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have got value from this course.

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They have been transformed by this course and

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I just hope it can also support you.

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So yeah, someone called Llewellyn,

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I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name wrong,

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has written as a trauma informed queer anarchist.

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One focus of my approach to botanical medicine is through trans healthcare and general mental

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health support for my communities.

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The herbalism, PTSD and traumatic stress

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course feels like it was handcrafted just for folks like me.

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I think it was, to be honest.

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Anyway, the course course's deep dive into the

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nature of trauma pulls from classic sources and new approaches emphasizing how trauma

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affects the body and the impact of state violence in its many forms.

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The suggested resources beyond the core class are incredible.

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There is a thorough yet not overwhelming exploration of the nervous system that is both

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ideal for new folks to anatomy and physiology and a wonderful refresher for those of us who

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need one.

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Nicole has a beautiful, uncompromising, relationship based approach to working with

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plants and people that I really resonate with.

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It's boundlessly refreshing to see radical

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vitalism expressed in such an accessible anarchist way.

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There is an invitation to do deep work here that feels like an essential part of self care

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slash community care that will continue to have a massive impact on me moving forward.

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Oh,

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that's like one of my favorite reviews.

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Yeah, I think because like yeah, I did just

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want.

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I just wanted to try and achieve all those

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things, you know, of like something that brought in the science but also brought in the

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politics that also brought in their sort of like witchy relationship animistic.

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You know, plants are alive.

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Like we build relationships, we Are plants

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element, you know, where there is this balance of like, self care and like attending to your

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own needs and not neglecting yourself, but also like always being focused outwards and,

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you know, caring for other people.

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And yeah, it's definitely like what I was.

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Yeah.

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Trying to.

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Trying to achieve.

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Okay, so Ellie has written, I know like loads of Ellie's.

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There's like so many Ellie's booked on practical medicine course.

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There's like four people whose names begin with L. And I'm like, so just like severely

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dyslexic.

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I was just like, oh God, like, how is this gonna work?

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Anyway, so Ellie has written this course was so helpful to me both as someone studying

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herbalism and personally.

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Nicole has such a lovely, jargon free way of explaining things.

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There are some concepts of both herbalism and the way our bodies work that I have never been

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able to get to grips with before that were made clear to me with this course.

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I really appreciate the way Nicole takes time to acknowledge different people's experiences,

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include trigger warnings and acknowledgements when speaking on herbs that don't come from

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her lineage, which can be really rare in the herbalism world.

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I really recommend this course to anyone working with patients in any holistic therapy

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role, as well as anyone looking for ways to support themselves with their own trauma.

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Thank you, Ellie.

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Okay. And then, yeah,

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someone called Lex shared that this course has been really important and empowering for me.

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Learning about trauma and how to work with nervines had changed a lot in how I understand

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myself and the people around me on a daily basis.

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It's a journey that has already brought me so much as a person with adhd.

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This worked perfect for me.

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Being able to choose my own moments to learn

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while knowing I can always send an email if something is unclear.

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I would recommend this course and, you know, like, I would kind of, I guess, identify as

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like, neurotypical.

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I mean, I am dyslexic, but yeah, like, I have

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tried to like, design something that is accessible in terms of like, neurodiversity.

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And you know, my partner has ADHD and like, yeah, for him, like, being able to like, go

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with the flow, right? Go with the focus, go with the interests.

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Like, oh, I'm really interested in this thing.

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I'll just dive really deep into that versus, like, you have to do this by this rigid

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timetable and conform and like, that's why I've tried to create something that's like,

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very spacious for people so that they can like, skip around and like, follow their kind

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of deeper interest.

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I Am thinking of updating the course though with things on plants about them being

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different for people with different neurodiversity.

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I mean, I emphasize that all plants are different for everyone, like regardless.

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But yeah, I've been having some interesting like Instagram conversations about nervines

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and how some relaxants are stimulating for people with adhd, for example.

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And oh yeah, I was talking about maybe doing like some sort of survey.

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So like if you, yeah.

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Are a herbalist and you're interested in that,

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like let me know and maybe we could collaborate because yeah, I'm very fascinated

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with how plants work differently for everyone.

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Okay.

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Joannie, sorry if I've mispronounced your name.

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Said there are courses you know you need to take and this is one of those.

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As someone with PTSD and someone who looks to help people move through pain, I found this

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course invaluable.

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It has given me new ways to explore my herbie friends.

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And Sophie wrote the herbalism and PTSD course has been a really eye opening experience for

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me.

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Until I started this course, I didn't

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understand how most of the course I'd read centered such a western perspective on trauma

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and how problematic this is.

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It has also been a vital resource for helping me understand the relationship between

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colonialism and psychiatry and how current healing modalities do not serve working class

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people and anti capitalist struggles.

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The way she approaches the herbalist aspects of the course and her wider work is inspiring

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and respectful of plants themselves and the environments they are part of.

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Since starting this course, I have developed a deeper relationship with plants and my local

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habitat.

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I've begun making my own medicine and using

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them as ways of supporting my own health and well being and my friends.

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I love that this course has an individual self care aspect to it and offers this as a

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framework with which to approach herbalism.

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I have found other courses to be out of my

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price range, but the fact that Nicole offers this course at such a reduced rate is.

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Is a gift.

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I would encourage anyone who is interested in

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herbalism and trauma to do this course.

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It's been an inspiring and informative

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introduction for me.

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Thank you Nicole.

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And yeah, whenever anyone writes that they've like developed a deeper relationship with

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plants, like I literally just want to cry because like that's all I want.

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Like I just want people to fall in love with herbs, you know.

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Okay. Malcolm, who is an amazing human based in so called Australia and a lovely supporter,

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I get lots of nice supportive emails from him, has written.

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I'm finding the course both fascinating and confronting.

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It's Perfect.

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Thanks for putting together such an epic piece

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of herbal teaching.

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And then Larissa wrote, I'm only partway through this course, but so far, it's been

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good.

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I appreciate how Nicole has pulled together

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the information on how trauma affects our bodies and the emphasis she places on how we

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can do something to help ourselves instead of merely being trapped in the disaster that's

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left behind.

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Her suggestions of how to connect with plants are inspiring.

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Yeah, and I think maybe that is a difference with my course.

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It's like.

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It is very like, diy.

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Like, you know, learn this, get stuck in, put this into practice, experiment with yourself.

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Like, you know, find your own plants, your own crew kind of thing.

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And, like, yeah, like, I think a lot of herbalism training can be, like, quite

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prescriptive.

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Prescriptive of, like, it's my way or the

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highway kind of thing.

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Or, oh, you're not ready for that.

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You haven't studied this, this, and this

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before.

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You can do that kind of thing.

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And, like, yeah, like, I think I'm trying to create something, like, much more liberating,

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if that makes sense.

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Okay. So ISIS said,

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I signed up for this course because I work with people who are unhoused, under housed, or

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in vulnerable situations.

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And I couldn't find any information on how to

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approach care from a herbalist perspective.

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I have been following Nicole's works for years.

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She is my go to for anything relating to plant medicine.

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Her years of experience and intersectional approach make her perspective very unique.

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The language is always very accessible, and I appreciate the ability to take her courses at

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my own pace.

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I would highly recommend this course for

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anyone interested in community care, intersectionality, and herbalism.

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I learned so much from every sentence Nicole writes.

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Oh, my God.

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That is so sweet.

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Thank you.

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I'm just really aware that there is just,

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like,

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like, literally loads of testimonials on this page.

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I'm just not sure if I can actually read.

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Read them all out.

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Yeah, maybe.

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Maybe I will pick and choose.

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Or.

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Yeah, you know what? For accessibility purposes, I'm gonna keep

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reading them.

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But if you are like, yeah, I hear what you're

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saying.

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I've heard enough testimonials.

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I just want to emphasize now that the course is open this Saturday, the of March.

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Please join the email list.

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Like, you can find the link to it in the show

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notes.

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That means it's literally just an email list,

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the waiting list.

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So I'll be able to, like, contact you

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consistently while the course is open, remind you when it's closing, which lots of people

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appreciate,

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because you know, life is really busy.

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So yeah, please check out the course page.

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You'll find these testimonials like written as text.

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And yeah, I'm just gonna.

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I'm just gonna continue like reading through

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these because I think it is nice for people that can read giant bits of text, if that

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makes sense.

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So yeah.

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So the next one is from Emily.

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They wrote, the Herbalism and PTSD course has really broadened and deepened my knowledge of

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herbs and herbalism.

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I was only anticipating to learn about

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specific herbs that help with trauma, but Nicole goes far beyond just that, sharing tons

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of knowledge such as about how herbs interact with bodies differently through tissue states

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and much more.

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If, like me, you've dabbled in making tinctures for yourself but want to go deeper

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in a thorough, comprehensive but manageable way, this is great course to do that.

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Thank you.

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Emily and Andrea wrote, I enrolled in the course from Solary Apothecary and have been

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absolutely blown away by this course.

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As a herbalist who themselves has CPC PTSD

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that's complex post Traumatic stress disorder, I found the contact content to not only be

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invaluable as a clinician, but also has been incredibly medicinal personally as well.

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Nicole has put together the information in such a conscientious way with clear content

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warnings and then so graciously and gently handles some of the most difficult subjects we

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face as humans with honesty, awareness and compassion.

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I have deeply appreciated her consistent decentering and challenging of the traditional

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western perspectives that have been so loud and persistent in the mental health and

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wellness field.

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Bravo.

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The content is well researched with meticulous attention paid to citing and crediting

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sources.

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I love the variety of perspectives offered from both their personal experiences and then

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the thoughts and voices of folks I've not yet had the privilege to know.

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I am also the biggest fan of sliding scale structures and I found this course be one of

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the most accessible.

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I have taken from pricing the graphics right

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down to Nicole describing the memes and images used and offerings and offering places to

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break and catch one's breath.

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I am very grateful to have stumbled upon Solidarity apothecary in this course.

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Keep up the great work, Nicole.

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It is so desperately needed in the world.

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Thank you for being here.

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Thank you for joining the course.

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Okay. Alora has written I am admittedly not all the way through it, but so far I love this

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course.

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It is very extensive and thorough and looks at

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trauma from a different perspective.

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I have taken a few trauma informed classes, but most just focus on individual trauma.

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I like how this class touches on shared Traumas or collective traumas.

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Looking at it from that lens is important.

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And eye opening to the trauma some of my clients might experience.

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And even trauma I didn't realize I shared.

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I am so happy I signed up and I know I will be

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using this information for years to come.

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Thank you.

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Okay, so Lucy wrote, I signed up for the course because I had been let down so many

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times by mental health services in my area, and I wanted to take control of my quote

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unquote recovery.

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I'm really sorry to hear that.

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What's amazing about the course is that you

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can do it in your own time.

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I was able to put it down when I had a period

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of very bad mental health and pick it back up again when I was ready.

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The course has also helped me get a better understanding of political and societal

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structures,

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Feed into and interact with trauma.

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It's helped me feel more connected to the

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world around me and given me purpose as I have started engaging deeper with abolitionist

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movements.

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Amazing.

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Herbalism is something I grew up with, but have never had.

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But I never explored the intricacies of it.

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It Science was never my strong suit.

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But the course makes complex topics really easy to understand.

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My new plant knowledge has helped me feel closer to the land and the plants that grow

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around me.

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I have made a Hawthorne tincture using

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directions from the course.

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Yay.

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And it really helps me when I'm feeling anxious.

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It is so empowering to be able to make medicine for myself and for it to work.

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I feel like I have finally have control over my body and I have the power to help myself

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rather than having to rely on others.

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I would absolutely recommend this course to anyone who wants to learn more about

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herbalism,

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who wants to learn more about how herbalism can support you if you've experienced trauma.

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But also for anyone who wants to understand how society in the so called west wasn't built

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to benefit traumatized people.

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Okay, I think that might have just finished me off.

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Thank you so much for sharing that, Lucy.

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And I'm so grateful that like,

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yeah, this feeling of like, being able to, like, help yourself has is there because I

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think,

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yeah, that's what's so, so kind of dehumanizing and humiliating.

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Right? About trauma and PTSD and stuff.

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Is that like you feel so powerless, like you don't feel like you can change it, change how

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you're feeling and that you have to like, interact with like, a lot of like, quote

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unquote professionals who make you feel like.

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Who make you feel small, who make you feel stupid, like you can't cope with the world.

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So yeah, it's just really.

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Yeah, herbs have really helped me in that

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respect and I just love that they can do that for other people.

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Right.

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I'm just gonna take a little pause and then I

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will read the rest of them.

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All right.

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So Aquino said and sorry if I've mispronounced

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your name wrong.

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I survived trauma in 2005.

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I was 17 and grew up in a conservative region

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in Germany.

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I didn't have access to therapy around 10

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years later.

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I had some years of therapy but the person was

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not trauma informed.

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I connected with some anti psychiatry people but I found it too short sighted to just say

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abolish psychiatry as it saved my life twice.

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I really liked your course because it helped

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me to get a progressive and validating perspective on trauma and quote unquote post

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traumatic stress that has helped me shift my view in helpful ways.

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Also, I love the vast amount of resources.

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I also like the practical connection with

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herbs and herbalism.

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Unfortunately in Germany all things herbalists have to be scanned thoroughly for right wing

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esoteric connections.

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I was so glad to find a source of progressive

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ideas on plants and herbalism.

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I really like that you have put much effort into making stuff accessible like having

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video, audio, transcript, etc. I also laughed about your readings of the contents of single

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herbs.

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It added some humor because you were also laughing about yourself.

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English is my second language so I couldn't do it any better and don't know the quote unquote

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correct pronunciation.

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Anyway, I also learned a lot about the prison industry which is not something I knew about

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before.

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Knew a lot about before.

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So basically like I read the herbal constituents out right and like they're just

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like gobbledygook to my brain.

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And I have heard herbal teachers obviously talk about them.

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I've heard them in podcasts, but I still can't pronounce them for so the lot of the first

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beginning of the profiles is just me laughing at myself and apologizing.

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So yeah, that's the thing.

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Okay, so JK wrote being part of the herbalism

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PTSD and Traumatic stress course was incredibly empowering and inspiring for me.

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It helped give me confidence and motivation to make remedies for my own day to day and night

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challenges.

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I cannot recommend the course enough for those new or experienced, giving students a positive

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rooting in the political framing of stress and trauma.

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Thank you so much for making this course accessible for learning and also financially.

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Yay. All right.

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And then I have quite a nice long testimonial

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here from someone called Sol So they wrote.

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First of all, thank you for this course.

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It profoundly inspired me.

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I had quite some knowledge of herbalism that I've acquired through other courses and mostly

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on the field while living in zads and rural squats.

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That's like a land occupation.

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I struggle.

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I struggled a lot in the past to bring a

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political dimension into the world of herbal medicine.

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As everywhere around me, this practice seemed to be associated with white middle class

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people or new age tendencies which I cannot stand.

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Through your course I finally acquired some tools to better argue that herbalism is

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political and that plants can be badass can be political badass allies for what concern the

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part more specifically linked with trauma, PTSD and its manifestations in the body.

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I have to say that I learned tons.

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I've never had courses about such topics even

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though I am quite familiar with them through personal experience.

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As I evolve in queer, anarchist, anti psychiatrist places where trauma is very

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present, it still felt a bit of a superficial like the tip of the iceberg.

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Perhaps I would have appreciated more space given to childhood trauma and to more complex

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trauma dynamics as these are so present around me, but overall it was a great introduction on

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the subject.

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The second part, talking more in depth about herbalism, was also a very nice introduction.

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I love the DIY vibe as I think it gives power back to people and so yeah, if you wanted to

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make a tincture you can just fill a jar with plants and cover it with alcohol.

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I love that most of the plants you mentioned grow wildly in Western Europe where your

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lineages are from.

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This said, quite some plants don't grow wildly

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there, so it was a bit frustrating to learn in depth about plants when you don't have the

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privilege to grow them or buy them.

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I think I would have stuck to wild plants only.

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Maybe a bit more space could have been given to the appropriate doses for each plant in all

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its possible forms.

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Another tiny note is about the fact that the glycerin we buy is produced by a deadly

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industrial complex.

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This is something people should be aware of,

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however it is possible to make your own glycerin.

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I would have loved a small explanation about this or at least a link.

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Perhaps you mention it in your other course about glycerin medicine, but I have not taken

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it.

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Thanks for all their critiques.

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I adored this course and encourage everyone

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who is touched and or interested by these subjects to take it.

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I honestly was sad when the course ended and it inspired me to know even more.

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Thank you infinitely for having shared your knowledge and experience.

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It inspired me to do the Same love and anarchism.

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Woohoo.

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So yeah, like that is something I explore in

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the Making Herbal Medicine with Glycerin course.

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I talk about the how glycerin is produced in a kind of like industrial scale and a small

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scale and how people can make their own glycerin.

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Just side plug.

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I can actually hear my baby crying.

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So I'm gonna go again and then come back and record more of these.

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Thanks so much for listening thing.

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I am so sorry I got completely sidetracked

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with the baby.

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Yeah, long story, teething is a thing and it's painful and he just wants his mum, so that's

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fine.

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But yeah, I think I'm gonna have to call it a

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day, sadly on this episode.

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But you can find all of the testimonials on the course page.

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You can read what other people have, you know, their experiences of their course and

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hopefully that will encourage you and influence you to feel like maybe it's

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something that might be right for you and where you're at right now.

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Yeah. Check out a link in the show notes like I mentioned at the beginning of the episode.

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Please join the waiting list if you can.

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So I've got your email so I can keep reminding

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you about the course until I close it again.

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And yeah, just thanks so much for giving me your time today.

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Really, really, really excited to start doing more episodes with like higher quality kind of

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herbal content, if that makes sense.

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We just visited a nursery this week.

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So yeah, I'm gonna be getting more sort of

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consistent like opportunities to work come sort of September.

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So yeah, just kind of hold out till then and do my best.

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And I know people that are listening that have babies, like completely understand.

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But yeah, I am, I am still here.

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I'm trying really hard with the apothecary to

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keep it going.

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And yeah, thankfully this course is really hands off so people can kind of just crack on

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with it without my kind of input, if that makes sense.

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And I'm still posting out care packages.

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Amazing.

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Volunteers are still sending the prisoners

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herbals books.

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I've got loads of plans for the future.

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So yeah, thank you so much for your future.

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For your future.

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Thank you so much for your time and yeah, please check out the course.

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Okay, take care, Bye.

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Thanks so much for listening to the Frontline

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Herbalism podcast.

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You can find the transcript, the links, all the resources from the

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show@solidarityapothecary.org podcast.

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