Being a company director comes with serious responsibilities and personal risks. Darren Vardy explains director duties under the Corporations Act, the dangers of insolvent trading, and why being a "director in name only" can be extremely dangerous. Critical knowledge for anyone considering or currently holding a directorship.
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Introduction to Insolvency, understanding the basics.
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:Welcome to our first episode of io
Insolvency Options with Darren Vadi,
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:the managing Director of Insolvency
Options, and a registered liquidator.
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:With over 30 years of experience
helping businesses and individuals
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:navigate financial challenges.
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:In today's episode, Darren shares
his journey into insolvency explains
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:what insolvency actually means.
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:And reveals the warning signs every
business owner needs to recognize.
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:We'll explore when to seek
help and the difference between
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:corporate and personal insolvency.
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:You'll understand the
fundamentals of insolvency.
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:Know when to seek professional
advice and learn why acting
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:early gives you the most options.
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:I'm your co-host, Anthony Pearl.
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:Let's dive into unlocking
more about insolvency options.
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:Darren, let's talk about, I think
what is an important topic is being
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:a director of a company, because
many people find themselves in
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:that situation now, don't they?
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:I mean, there are companies that
are formed that are really out
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:of small business for various tax
reasons that become a company.
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:There are not-for-profits that
people sit on boards of that
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:effectively are a kind of company.
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:This whole idea of being a
director of a company is becoming
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:more common and more important.
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:Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
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:We are finding that incorporation of
businesses becoming more regular than your
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:traditional sole trader and partnership
type operations, but like partnership
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:operations and sole trader, there is
personal exposure to being a director of
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:a company and directors need to be, you
know, aware of what their duties are.
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:There are various duties
under the Corporations Act.
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:Some express duties set out in Section
180 to 180 4 of the Corporations
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:Act that directors must abide by.
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:There is also a duty to maintain
books and records under Section 2
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:86 of the Corporations Act and to
maintain records to an extent that
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:they show the true position of the
financial affairs of the company at any
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:point in time and that if necessary.
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:They can be audited.
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:There's also a duty under Section 5 88 of
the Corporations Act that a director must
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:not trade the company whilst insolvent.
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:So we get back around to that
insolvency issue and the personal
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:exposure that goes with, or potential
personal exposure that goes with
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:trading a business whilst in silence.
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:There are also a number of other areas
where directors can be personally
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:exposed, and this is just simply in the
day-to-day operation of their business.
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:So you know, one of those
is superannuation issuant to
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:the taxation legislations.
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:A director is automatically liable
for any unpaid superannuation.
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:There is what's called.
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:The director penalty notice regime.
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:Now, in those circumstances, directors can
be held personally liable for GST and PAYG
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:in certain circumstances where they don't
lodge their returns on time or within 30
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:days of the due date, and the funds remain
outstanding for that period of time also.
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:So the A TO can come around and issue a.
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:What's called a lockdown director,
penalty notice on directors, which
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:directors are automatically liable for.
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:So whilst companies are set up and
we have this corporate veil that sits
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:between the company and the director,
that corporate veil can be pierced
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:for want of a better term through the
conduct of the directors if they're
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:not careful in ensuring that they are
operating the company in a certain member.
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:Speaker 3: It's interesting, isn't it?
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:Because often you get advised, and
I'm talking about small businesses get
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:advised, okay, go from the sole trader,
we'll set up a trust, you are the sole
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:director, find a bit of paperwork and
you know, it's all just there to make the
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:tax look a little bit better and, and a
bit easier, uh, to manage those things.
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:But the responsibilities and
the implications around being a
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:director are often not really.
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:Explained, and certainly I would
imagine not really understood.
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:Speaker 4: And we find that particularly
with small business that a spouse is put
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:on as a director, and this is a legacy
probably from back when companies required
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:more than one director back decades ago,
but where you have a non-working spouse,
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:non-employed spouse as a director.
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:Who is just there in name and doesn't
actually have any involvement with
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:the company on a day-to-day level,
that spouse can be held liable
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:for the activities of the company.
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:Because being a director, you are
responsible for the day-to-day
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:activities of the company.
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:And it's not a defense to say I wasn't
involved, I wasn't employed, I didn't
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:derive any benefit from the company.
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:The very fact that you are a director.
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:Gives rise to the responsibility
and obligation, which gives rise
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:to internally exposure and risk.
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:Speaker 3: Yeah.
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:And how far does that risk extend?
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:Because scenario of many people that
sit on on boards of not-for-profit
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:boards, for example, and they're a
director, and these days you have
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:to go through registration process.
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:Right.
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:As a director, it's not just a matter
of I'm on the board, you actually have
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:to register as a director and then.
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:Understanding what those
potential implications are.
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:Speaker 4: The directorship registration
through asic that ASIC have put in place,
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:I think has increased the awareness
of directors obligations because it's
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:understood that when you apply for a
directorship, number asic, send out a
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:note to you as a director, which sets out
what your obligations are as a director.
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:Whether the directors read that or not
is a different matter, but ASIC are
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:certainly attempting to make directors
more aware of their responsibilities,
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:which is a good thing as to exposure.
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:You know, we've seen some very untenable
circumstances such that my person
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:operating the business wasn't the
director, but the spouse was the director.
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:There's a marital breakdown.
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:The person operating, the entity moves on
and then the spouse is left with all the
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:exposure of operating the business and
then exposed to an insolvent trading claim
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:because the business was operating at a
loss and debts were accruing to the likes
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:of the tax office and its trade creditors.
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:So no circumstances.
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:The spouse who.
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:Was blind to the financial operations
of the business and potentially naive to
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:their role in the business as a director
has effectively been exposed to all the
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:obligations and responsibility leading
them in a position where because of
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:the various claims available against
the spouse, they've found themselves
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:having to look at personal bankruptcy.
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:Whilst the real owner of the business
has effectively walked away scot
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:free, they are real life circumstances
that happen from time to time.
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:You hear quite often hear the term shadow
director and you know that is effectively
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:a director who is not by designation
or role recorded with asic, but it is
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:the person who is actually directing.
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:The company and operating it day to day.
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:And you know, there are provisions
within the Corporations Act, which allow
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:liquidators to pursue shadow directors.
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:But the advice is that don't be a director
unless you are going to be personally
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:involved in the business because of
the obligation and risk that comes.
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:Speaker 3: I mean, it's quite
terrifying really when you think
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:that superannuation can be at risk.
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:'cause that's what people are
relying on for retirement.
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:And here you are in a director
and things go bad and suddenly
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:that can have a huge implication.
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:Speaker 4: Correct.
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:And with that comes the personal
exposure of the director to pay
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:that superannuation to employees.
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:Yeah.
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:Because quite often we've
also seen directors.
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:Will pay all their staff entitlements,
but they won't pay their super because
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:they don't have enough cash flow.
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:And quite often we hear the director
saying, but it's just my super.
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:My answer to that is quite simple.
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:It's not just your super, it's super that
is payable pursuant to a statutory scheme.
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:It's not payable to you personally.
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:It's actually payable to your super fund
for the benefit of your retirement And.
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:When the tax office comes knocking and
comes to pursue the superannuation,
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:they will see, and quite often we're
seeing this in circumstances, is that,
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:you know, the directors have to then
go and refinance some property or find
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:the funds to pay the tax office the
outstanding super, which then gets
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:paid to the director's superannuation
fund and all they have done is simply
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:incurred additional costs and interest,
which could have been avoided.
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:If the super had been paid as
they went and they didn't not
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:pay their super given the lack of
cashflow that they had at the time.
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:And that then comes back around to the
position of, well, if you can't pay all
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:your debts super for yourself, you know,
are you actually trading profitably?
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:Is the business making enough
money to pay all its expenses?
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:So it gets back to the, the very crux of.
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:Why are we here?
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:Why do we have a financial
position that we're in?
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:Because if you can't run a
business and you can't trade
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:profitably, why are you doing it?
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:Speaker 3: It is such an
important question, isn't it?
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:Because too often people have
found themselves in a business
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:that really is just a job as well.
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:I think that happened
particularly as a result of COVID.
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:People started working from home and some
businesses made the, the decision that,
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:well, if you're gonna work from home,
we're gonna treat you as a consultant.
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:And so people set up their own businesses
and that suited people, but really they
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:were only creating a job for themselves.
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:And all of these risks and things that
come attached to it, you know, people
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:not paying themselves a wage, let
alone superannuation, they're pretty
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:Speaker 4: common.
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:Correct.
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:And you know what I say to.
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:Tongue in cheek to directors.
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:If you're not paying yourself a wage to
put food on the table, you may as well
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:shut the roll at door, go down the beach
and watch the waves roll in because at
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:least watching the waves roll in or put
a smile on your face rather than being in
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:a business which you're shackled to and
for which you're not getting paid for,
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:and you can't even put food on the paper.
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:So it's about changing the mindset of the
directors to say, and a lot of directors
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:come out of, a lot of businesses are
spawned by people working for larger
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:organizations, finding out that they
have a talent at doing what they do.
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:They go and build a nice little
business, and the business goes well.
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:But when they get to a stage where
there's a financial impact and because
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:they've been trading it for a long time.
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:They're emotionally connected.
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:It's a matter of removing the emotional
connection and really looking at it
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:and saying, is this business for me?
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:Whilst it might provide me with some
flexibility, whilst it might provide me
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:with some autonomy, am I really making the
best of my life running my own business?
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:Because if I'm not taking
home enough money, two.
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:Put food on the table to
cover the household costs.
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:It just then adds pressure at that level.
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:Speaker 3: Tell me, what do you say
to people who are listing out there
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:now and they've been advised to
move from the sole trader to being
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:a company, a trust, or whatever the
structure is, or they're looking at
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:jumping on a board of some description.
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:What do they need to do?
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:I mean, we've talked about a lot of the
potential negatives and things, but what
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:do they need to really avail themselves
of before they make a decision to change
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:that structure or to jump onto a board?
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:Speaker 4: Sure.
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:Changing the structure is very different
from just jumping onto a board.
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:Changing a structure firstly, will
revolve around the nature of the
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:business, the size of the turnover,
the inherent business risks.
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:That go with the business,
which a corporate structure
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:will help minimize those risks.
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:Going onto a board, it's all about
looking at the financials, making sure
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:that the company or the business is
compliant with its statutory obligations.
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:Because if it's not, and you're on
a board for more than a month, you
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:are then a lot personally liable.
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:So it's making sure that the
compliance is up to date.
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:Then once you are a director, it's
before you become a director, ensuring
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:what you know, your obligations.
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:But once you are a director, make
sure that the company is maintaining
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:its obligations, and if it's not
maintaining its obligations as
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:a board member, then you know,
resignation after raising the issues.
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:Generally a few times, resignation
is something that would
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:potentially need to be considered.
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:And as a person who's moved from a sole
trader to a small business, seeking
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:the right advice about compliance and
complying with those obligations is key.
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:Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's
such an important thing, isn't it?
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:It's that advice is so critical to
making that kind of a decision that
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:you're going to be involved with.
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:And it seems simple when it's put
to you in terms of let's restructure
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:and do this, but ultimately there's,
there are lots more implications
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:that you need to consider.
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:That's true.
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:Well, that's it for this episode of
the IO Insolvency Options Podcast.
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:I hope you've got plenty of valuable
knowledge and practical steps for whatever
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:your situation is from Darren today.
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:And if you need guidance on
insolvency matters, contact Darren
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:Vadi directly@insolvencyoptions.com
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:au or call 1804 6 3 3 2 8.
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:Or of course, you could connect
with Darren on LinkedIn details
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:in the show notes below.
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:With over 30 years of experience,
Darren and his team provide personalized
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:solutions for both personal and
corporate insolvency challenges.
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