Host Carmelita Tiu interviews sisters Amy and Nancy, founders of The Passionistas Project, about their journey, sisterhood, and empowering women.

Key Topics:

• [00:01:30] Introduction to Amy and Nancy
• Founders of The Passionistas Project and their sisterhood journey.
• [00:05:15] The Legacy of Their Mother
• Discussing the impact of their mother’s teachings and her creative influence.
• [00:12:45] Handling Conflicts Among Siblings
• Insights on their minimal arguments and strong family bond.
• [00:20:00] The Origin of The Passionistas Project
• How their careers in Hollywood led to creating a supportive community for women.
• [00:25:30] Building an Inclusive Sisterhood
• Details on their network and its focus on business, personal growth, and social impact.
• [00:35:00] Encouraging Vulnerability and Support
• Stories of women in the community lifting each other up during tough times.

Tune in for an inspiring conversation on the power of sisterhood and following your passions!

Guest Spotlight: Amy & Nancy Harrington

Sisters, Amy and Nancy Harrington, founded The Passionistas Project out of a deep desire to empower women around the world. Both co-founders walked away from high-profile jobs in Hollywood to work together. Amy was the Vice President of Post Production and Visual Effects for all feature films at Warner Bros, working on movies like the "Harry Potter," "Matrix" and "Batman" franchises. Nancy left the ad agency where she created Academy Award campaigns for Miramax. Now Amy and Nancy shine a light on the positive stories of self-identified women and non-binary people through their media company. 

They have conducted over 1600 interviews including red carpet events and more than 65 one-on-one oral histories for The Interviews for the Television Academy Foundation with pop culture icons like Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Rita Moreno, Lily Tomlin, Laverne Cox, Carol Burnett and many others. They have also produced interviews for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame including a sit-down with Mick Jagger. 

They were handpicked by OWN to be part of the VIP digital press corps covering "Oprah's Lifeclass" during Winfrey's tour of the U.S. and Toronto. Amy and Nancy founded The Passionistas Project in 2018 and through their podcast, online sisterhood and Power of Passionistas summit, they strive to inspire women to follow their passions and join forces in the fight for equality for all. 

Connect with The Passionistas:

• Website: https://www.thepassionistasproject.com/about
• Instagram:   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepassionistasproject
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thepassionstasproject/ 
• Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/ThePassionistasProject/ 
• Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thepassionistasproject 
• YouTube: https://bit.ly/PassionistasYouTube

About Your Host, Carmelita Tiu

Mom, spouse, coach, podcaster, wordsmith, legal eagle.  Endlessly curious about how we can show up better for ourselves – because when we do that, we also show up better for our kids and those around us.  Visit carmelitatiu.com to learn more about Cat, and for info on 1:1 coaching, the mom collective, and her monthly newsletter.

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Welcome to know them.

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Be them, raise them a show to

help busy, mindful growth oriented

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moms stay informed and inspired,

especially as they're navigating

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their daughters tween and teen years.

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I'm Carmelita too, an

unapologetic multihyphenate.

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I'm a mom of two girls, a wife, a

certified life coach focusing on

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holistic personal development for

multi-passionate impact driven women.

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Also an attorney for

creatives and a podcast host.

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So my guests today are sisters,

Amy and Nancy Harrington.

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They founded the Passionistas

Project out of a deep desire to

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empower women around the world.

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Both walked away from high profile

jobs in Hollywood to work together.

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Amy was the vice president of post

production and visual effects for

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feature films at Warner Brothers.

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So she worked on movies like

the Harry Potter series, The

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Matrix, and Batman franchises.

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And then Nancy left the ad agency

world where she created Academy

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Award winning campaigns for Miramax.

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Now Amy and Nancy shine a light

on the positive stories of self

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identified women and non binary

people through their media company.

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They have conducted over 1600 interviews,

including red carpet events and more

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than 65 one on one oral histories for

the Television Academy Foundation with

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pop culture icons like Julia Louis

Dreyfus, Rita Moreno, Lily Tomlin, Laverne

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Cox, Carol Burnett, and many others.

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They've also produced interviews

for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

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including a sit down with Mick Jagger.

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Who I happen to share a birthday

with, not the year, but the day.

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They were also handpicked by OWN

the Oprah Winfrey network to be

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part of the VIP digital press core

covering Oprah's life class during

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Oprah's tour of the U S in Toronto.

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So clearly these women

are media rock stars.

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They decided to found the Passionistas

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podcast, Online Sisterhood and

Power of Passionistas Summit.

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They strive to inspire women to

follow their passions and join forces

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in the fight for equality for all.

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All right.

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So that is who my guests today are.

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One of the things that really

struck me about the two of them

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is how well they get along.

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Clearly, they grew up together and

run the Passionistas project together.

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But as you'll hear, they're, they're

really close and you can tell that

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they have such love for each other.

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And not only that, they credit

their mom with being such a source

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of inspiration and love and they

speak about her with such reverence.

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Part of the reason that I enjoyed

our conversation so much is it was a

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good reminder to me of the potential

lasting impacts of how we show up for

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our kids and how that can also impact

how they show up for each other.

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I think I'm guilty sometimes of getting

so caught up in the tasks at hand that I

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don't really stop to think about, well,

in 20, 30, 40 years, what's the vision?

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What's one of these hopes that

I have for the two of them?

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And what are the hopes that I have

for our relationship when I'm in

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my, uh, Eighties, seventies, and

they're, you know, fully grown adults,

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potentially with families of their own.

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Amy and Nancy are a reminder of what's

possible in the best of ways, between

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mothers, daughters, and siblings.

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So without further ado,

here's our conversation.

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amy and Nancy, welcome.

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I'm so thrilled to have you here as

guests on Know Them, Be Them, Raise Them.

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Before I dive any further, I'd love

to turn the, the mic, if you will, over

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to both of you to tell the listeners

a little bit about yourselves, and

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then we'll kind of go from there.

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Nancy Harrington: So, uh,

Amy and I are sisters.

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We finish each other's sentences

and share a brain as we like to say.

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and we have such a strong bond as

sisters that we want to offer that

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connection to the women in our community.

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We've started the Passionistas Project

about, six or seven years ago, and

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we've built an inclusive sisterhood

where women can come together.

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And get support and feel empowered

to transform their lives.

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So we focus on the three pillars

of business development, personal

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growth and social impact.

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And we have classes and resources and

networking opportunities and fun parties.

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And we have a podcast

network and Passionista's TV.

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So we have all sorts of things, but

it's all about sharing our sisterhood

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with everybody because it's such

an unbreakable and beautiful bond.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: So, for a little

backstory, Amy, Nancy, and I are all part

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of a group of women, a mastermind, if you

will, really for honing in on upleveling

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the things that we're passionate about.

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And as soon as I met Amy and Nancy, I

really admired the drive and passion

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and purpose that they had and we got to

talking about what each of us were doing.

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They found out that I had a podcast

aimed at moms of girls and they shared

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in such a beautiful way about their

mother's impact on them and it just

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reminded me of, uh, moms and daughters

and the importance of that relationship.

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And so I thought it made a lot of sense

to bring you both here to take a step back

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and speak with adult women to remind us

of the various ways we may not even know

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that as moms we're impacting our kids.

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So, my next question for you is,

what was your mother's legacy for you?

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Amy Harrington: Well, we had the

best mom in the world, her name was

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Betty, Betty Sacco, she became Betty

Harrington, and had five kids, there

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are five of us all together, we are the

two youngest of five, we have an older

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sister who's a filmmaker named Beth,

our sister Lisa is a crochet artist.

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Our brother is, uh, was a musician and

now is a bankruptcy attorney who has had

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a case in front of the Supreme Court.

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And then Nancy and I are

out there doing our thing.

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So, the most important thing our

mother ever taught us was your

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brother and your sisters are

your best friends in the world.

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And no matter what happens, You have

each other and we've been through a

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lot together and inevitably we're all

there for each other every single time.

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So that is her true legacy.

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And, and besides that, she

was just a very kind person.

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Both our mother and father were, creative.

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They met in art school.

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Our dad had an advertising agency and

our mother studied to be an art teacher.

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So we grew up in a household where.

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We were surrounded by music and

television and movies and art and could

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use our dad's expensive art supplies

to doodle and never were told anything.

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else but follow your passions, you

know, trust in yourself to do the

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creative things you want to do.

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There was never any hesitation like,

Oh, you're Nancy's going to open

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her own graphic design business.

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Oh yeah, of course you

open your own business.

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That's what you do.

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Or I'm going to move to California

from Braintree, Massachusetts, and I'm

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going to get into the film industry.

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And as much as they didn't want

me to go, it was never like,

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you're never going to get a job.

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It was like, okay.

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You know, we'll miss

you but you can do it.

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So we just were really, really lucky that

our passions were supported and encouraged

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from the minute we were born, and we were

born into a group of five best friends who

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have been by our side, our entire lives.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: Out of

curiosity, when you mentioned this

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messaging about Being told that you

are your each other's best friend.

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How did that feel in moments

where maybe you were arguing?

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Because I would love to say that to my

daughters, but I could also imagine,

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it not resonating at certain points

when they're arguing or bickering.

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Nancy Harrington: I think what

makes us unusual, even more so is

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that We didn't argue that much.

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You know, I think my brother and I

probably butted heads most because

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we were really close in age, and,

you know, I was his first little

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sister so he could be bratty with me.

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But, Amy and I hardly

ever argue even as adults.

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, the only time we really get into fights

is when we're traveling and we're hangry.

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But, you know, when she said it, it

was usually when, maybe we were, you

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know, You know, cranky and fighting

over crayons or something, but it always

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resonated it whenever our mother spoke

to us, she had this way about her that

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made us stop and think, Oh, she's right.

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Even if we didn't want to hear it.

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We're like,

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You know, she just had that

way about her and we used to

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say she gave us the evil eye.

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Like if we were doing something

she didn't approve of, she didn't

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really have to say anything to us.

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She just gave us a look and we were

like, Oh, okay, mom, I'll stop.

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. Carmelita (Cat) Tiu:

That totally resonates.

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My mom was the same way.

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She had this glance.

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And when we saw the glance, we

knew to stop what we're doing.

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Something was off.

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This does not jive with mom.

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So, I totally get that.

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Amy Harrington: I also think she was

good at helping us find, like if we were

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bickering or if we were Mad at each other

for some stupid reason like she helped

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us find the thing that brought us back

together you know whether that was like

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baking chocolate chip cookies or Watching

a TV show together or going to the mall

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and walking around like she found some

way to shift the energy and Have us

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find a way to have fun together again.

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Nancy Harrington: How did she get

us to do, remember the time we put

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the line of tape down the middle

of the room, Brady Bunch style?

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Although our door was on one side, so we

had to make like a corridor to get to it.

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How did she get us, how did

she get us to get past that?

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Do you remember?

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Amy Harrington: I don't, I, I think

she either just ignored it knowing

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that like, that we'd get over, we

would be fine, or she probably came

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in and was like, take that, just

take that down, what are you doing?

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She kind of indulged our stupid moments

and knew we would figure it out.

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They trusted us a lot to figure it out,

not in a way that was like, I don't care,

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you guys do it, but more just like, they

trusted that we were smart, and that

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they had raised good people, and so they

let us kind of, when we did dumb things,

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I feel like they kind of let us find

our way, cause they knew that we would.

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Nancy Harrington: She

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Amy Harrington: was

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Nancy Harrington: also

extremely even keeled.

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Extremely like, I can probably think

of maybe five times in her life

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where she got rattled more upset.

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She really was just

like, Everything's fine.

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If you broke something, it

wasn't screaming and mad.

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It was like, it's just a thing.

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She'd clean it up, move on, you

know, like she was so keeled.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: I can see how

that would make a huge difference too,

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where if you don't get rattled easily,

then the environment just feels safer.

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You can do things, things

can happen, life happens.

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And as a child, not feeling as if it

has this domino effect on your parents.

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I could see how, you know,

that really went a long way to

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Amy Harrington: I also think

our dad was the exact opposite.

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Our dad was, dad was the, like,

emotional, like, where's my metal ruler?

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Like, it would totally, like,

throw off his whole day.

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And our mother, no matter how,

like, nutty he got, or emotional he

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got, she loved him unconditionally.

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And so, His energy wasn't always the

greatest thing to like, as to live by

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example, but seeing how much she loved

him, even when he was kind of at his

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worst, always made you feel like, well,

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and she would always say to

us, there's nothing you can do.

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her thing was, did you do your best?

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You know, and as long as you did your

best, that was all she cared about.

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So there was just, there was never

a moment in our lives where we

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felt unloved or that we could do

something that would shift that.

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Nancy Harrington: Yeah.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: Yeah.

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Okay.

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For the people that can't see the video

or aren't watching, I'm crying now.

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Nancy Harrington: The Harrington wins.

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See?

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We told you before we started recording.

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My favorite story about my

mother was I was in high school.

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I was a really, really, really shy kid.

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And Around the age of like 13, 14, 15.

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I, I made this shift that I was

not going to be shy anymore.

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And I was going to tackle the

world and I found punk rock music.

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This was in the seventies.

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So I found punk rock music and I.

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Decided I was gonna cut my hair

and it was spiky and it was orange.

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I looked like David Bowie on the

cover of Pinups and I was, I wore

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funky clothes and love it little

in this little town in Braintree,

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this little town south of Boston.

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And, and you carried a fab box pocketbook.

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I carried a pocketbook that was

made out the fab box that our

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older sister Beth had gotten us.

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So all the kids.

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In high school called me fab woman,

which now, when I think about it, I'm

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like, I need to revive that nickname.

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It's a great nickname.

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But back then it was

not, it was not an honor.

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It was, they were teasing me.

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And so, I had a hard time in high

school, but one day I was driving

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down the street with my mother as a

beautiful spring day, our windows were

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open in the car and this group of kids

drove by us in the opposite direction.

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And they yelled out the window

punk rock sucks, which was

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like the daily taunt for me.

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And my mother had had enough and

she slammed on the brakes and she

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turned the car around in the middle

of the street and followed them.

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And I, in the meantime, am

like under the dashboard, and

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she followed them home and she followed

them into their driveway and she got

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out of the car and she went over to the

car and she started, I couldn't hear

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everything she was saying, but she was

wagging her finger at them and saying

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things like, You don't know my daughter.

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She's wonderful and she's kind

and she's smart and you don't know

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anything about her and how dare you

say this to her and I, she was my hero.

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In that moment.

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Like, as you talk about

relating to your daughters in

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that moment, I was humiliated.

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I was under the dashboard.

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I was like, mom, how could you

do that to me now at school?

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It's going to get worse.

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You know, I was humiliated,

but God, she was my hero.

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Oh,

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: that is, yeah, that I

can, I can feel that in my core, how great

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that must have felt for, for your mom to

stand up for you and advocate for you.

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And I love how you pointed out that

in the moment it was mortifying.

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Yeah.

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In retrospect, you realized on a

greater scale, what it really means.

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Nancy Harrington: My mom passed

way too young, so it's kind of.

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It's great for us to have these memories

of her and everything we do is in her

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honor, you know, how we live our life.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: Going back to the

idea of being best friends, something

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that came up as you were talking about

that was what's great about telling

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your kids, even if they don't really

recognize it or feel it, but telling them

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like, no, these are your best friends.

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Number one, it makes that normal.

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It makes that the standard.

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So that they start to show up that way.

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And, you know, a lot of siblings may

or may not get along, but to be told,

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like, Nope, this is your best friend.

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How would you treat a best friend?

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And encouraging them to be that kind

of person for their sibling, which

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isn't something that I necessarily

intentionally, uh, speak out like, of

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course they're your siblings, they're

your blood, but on a day to day basis,

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how do friends show up for each other and

often siblings and friends are different.

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And the other thing that came up with

that phrase that I just love, is of course

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you're going to fight with your siblings.

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But they're also your friend, so it kind

of makes it okay to fight, and it's okay

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for, for this element of, whether it's

conflict, whether it's disagreement, or

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whether it's loss, that that is also part

of a sibling relationship, but because

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you're friends, you see it through.

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Amy Harrington: yeah.

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And I also think like there are five

of us where we have so much in common,

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but we're very different people.

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And of course there are those that

whenever Nancy and our sister Lisa,

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who lives in California with us and

I are together, if I have to leave

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the table, I'm always like, don't

talk about me because inevitably

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like you're going to be like, Oh

God, she's driving me crazy today.

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It's not like we're, we're the Brady

bunch, you know, but, um, But it

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always comes back to, I, I don't have

more fun with anybody on the planet.

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I don't trust, you know, we have

wonderful, significant others and, and

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this is not a negative comment against

them, but it's just built into our core.

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I don't trust anybody

more than our family.

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It makes you make smarter choices about

your friends and your relationships,

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because you don't need other people, you

choose the people you want to be around.

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So like I personally didn't date a

lot when I was growing up and I didn't

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feel that need to like have a boyfriend

because I had people who love me.

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I was getting love and then when I did get

a boyfriend it was like, oh, you know, I

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pick someone that I really enjoy and that

I, you know, hopefully my family enjoys.

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So it just, it just takes this

pressure off of like, Oh my God,

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I feel out there by myself and

I got to connect with people.

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It's like, yeah.

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Oh, I connected with that person.

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That's nice.

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But if I don't, I have

this built in system.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: I think that's

a great segue into this idea of

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sisterhood, which relates to your current

endeavor now and the passionistas.

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It's those supports that allow

you to show up more fully in

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various aspects of your life.

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You know, Amy, you related that

because you felt loved at home,

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it wasn't as if you were filling

a void when looking at potential

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people to date and partners in life.

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And I think that that sense of

community is partly, I imagine

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what fueled the Passionistas.

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Nancy Harrington: So, yeah, I

mean, Amy and I both had careers in

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Hollywood and we, we left them at

the same time and we started pursuing

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something together and we ended up in

the world of celebrity interviewing,

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which was fabulous and we loved it.

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it was really glamorous, really fun,

especially to do it together, to talk

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to Laverne and Shirley at the same

time, sitting in Penny Marshall's

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living room after watching them.

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We really had some amazing things,

but we just wanted to do something

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more impactful and help people.

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You know, that's how we were

raised was to help people.

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And, so we started the Passionistas

Project just as a podcast.

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It was really like a side thing.

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Like, let's just do this to lift women up.

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And, the podcast is the Passionistas

Project Podcast, and we interview

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women who are following their passions,

and we listen to their journey to

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inspire other people to take that first

step and, and follow their passions.

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And, that escalated and snowballed into

a subscription box of women own products

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and our annual women's equality summit

that we bring women from marginalized

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communities together to discuss

issues that are relevant to all of us.

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And then a year ago, we, somebody

told us, you are driving down

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the road, looking at the map.

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You don't know where you're going.

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And so we pulled over to the

side of the road and decided

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to map out our next route.

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We spent last year, rebranding and

really figuring out what the women

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in our community want and need.

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And, that's when we

hit upon the idea that.

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What they want is what we have,

you know, everyone says to us, I

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wish I could work with my sister.

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I could never work with my sister.

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We'd kill each other.

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You know, they want that

bond, that unwavering loyalty.

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Somebody, you know, has your back

somebody who will be honest, but

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kind, And so that's when we realized

that this needs to be a sisterhood.

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What we need to do is welcome people into

our sisterhood and give them what we have.

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It's going really well and

it's just beautiful to see

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the women in the community.

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Someone posted a week or so ago.

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I'm suffocating.

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I'm having a hard time doing this.

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And she just, you know, spewed it out

and it was so beautiful and vulnerable

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and the best part was that people in

the community just started lifting her

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up and sharing their stories and saying

they felt the same way and we're here

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for you and it was just so powerful

and it was like the moment we realized,

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okay, all of this work was amazing.

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Was the right thing to do.

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We're on the right track.

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This is, this is working.

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This is helping people.

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And, uh, so yeah, that's what we're doing.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: I love that.

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I love it.

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And, full disclosure, I myself am a

member and that's how much I believe in

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what you're doing is, you know, being a

part of this amazing community of support

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and like you said, feeling like there's

people to catch you when you fall or to

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give you advice when you aren't quite sure

where you're going, is just priceless,

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especially when you have a passion or a

dream that you may not have others and in

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your immediate vicinity and your friends

and family or whatnot, that relate.

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I only know maybe one

other podcaster in person.

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Everyone else is online.

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So for you to offer this space where,

hey, whatever you're passionate about,

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whatever you need, we've got it is,

uh, is really a wonderful thing.

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Amy Harrington: Thank you.

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Yeah.

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I mean, one of the great things about

the podcast is that we've met so many

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amazing women and we always have whoever

we interview nominate somebody else.

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So it's been this spider web.

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So we know like wheat farmers and,

um, sculptors who melt down nuclear

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weapons to make their sculptures.

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And like, we've met these women that, you

know, women who own ice cream company.

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Um, we've met this like

widest range of people.

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So now we're at the point

where someone says like, I

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need to find blah, blah, blah.

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And we're like, Oh, we know, uh, you

know, Korean grocer who lives in Memphis.

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You know, it's like we can find,

we have this weird, like network.

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And if we don't, we can pretty much.

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Ask people.

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So when people come to the sisterhood,

the first thing we do is when someone

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introduces themselves or even just signs

up, we DM them and we say, you know

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what, you need to meet this person.

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And we connect them with somebody

because we, we want everybody to know

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each other and support each other.

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And ultimately this isn't

about us and our sisterhood.

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It's about this Pre, you know, shared

sisterhood and sisters can be chosen.

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You don't have to be born to be sisters

and we've witnessed it with our kind

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of inner circle of people who have

been there with us for a long time.

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You know, they buy from each other.

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They cheer each other on.

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We have a wall of women's wins where

you can post, you know, anything good

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that you feel is worth celebrating

with other people, whether that's,

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there's one woman who had a billboard

in Times Square on New Year's Eve, and

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there's someone, you know, we celebrated

taking two weeks off at Christmas.

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So it doesn't have to be some huge thing.

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It could be a huge thing, but we want

it When one of us wins, we all win.

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So that's what sisters do too.

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You know, we let each other cry,

we hold each other up, but we also

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celebrate the wins with each other.

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So it's, um, it's really beautiful.

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And it is a network of women that

they aren't just walking the straight

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path to, you know, get through life.

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They're making choices.

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And, and the reason that social

impact is a big component of it is.

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One of the things Nancy and I realized

about the women in our community is every

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one of them, if you have a conversation

with them at some point in the

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conversation, says, what can I do for you?

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How can I help you?

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And we've been on a lot of networking

calls lately, and that's not true

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of every community or every person.

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Every woman in our community is like that.

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So, um, The love is already there

and people just have to come and the

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more they give, the more they'll get.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: So

how can people find you?

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Nancy Harrington: The easiest way

is to go to the passionistasproject.

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com backslash sisterhood.

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And that'll tell you about the community

and give you links to either sign up

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for the free membership, or if you want

to upgrade to the premium membership,

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but there's no pressure to do that.

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There's tons of content and

interaction in the free level.

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And the other thing we want everyone to

know is that we have scholarship program.

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So, for anyone who signs up, Cat

has graciously done, is anyone

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who signs up for an annual

membership, we gift the scholarship.

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A annual membership to somebody who

can't afford to be in the community.

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if you really want to sign up for the

community, but you just don't have the

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means there's an application on our

website and there's also a way to donate

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or upgrade your membership so that

somebody can be a reciprocal of that.

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So we're excited about

that part of it too.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu: Fantastic.

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So I like to leave the listeners

with a parting quote or affirmation

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if one or both of you has

something you'd like to contribute.

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Feel free to share.

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Nancy Harrington: Um,

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Amy Harrington: I think

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for me it's just,

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oh, go ahead.

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Nancy Harrington: No, you go.

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Amy Harrington: You go first.

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Younger first.

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I think for me, uh, I think for

me it's just you don't have to

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do it alone, whether it's our

sisterhood or another sisterhood.

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There are people out there

that want to support you.

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In a sisterhood like ours, you can

come and you can be yourself and

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you can tell people things aren't

perfect and you can ask for help and

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we'll be there to give it to you.

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So you don't, you don't

have to do it alone.

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Nancy Harrington: And the quote

that's on my mind right now, it's by

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Pam Brown, an Australian poet, and she

says, When sisters stand shoulder to

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shoulder, who stands a chance against us?

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Carmelita Tiu: I feel like my takeaways

from this conversation cover a broader

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range than usual, but here they are.

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Number one.

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Remind your kids that their

siblings are their friends.

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Maybe even best friends.

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And no matter what happens,

you have each other.

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I know, I hadn't consistently messaged

this in such a direct way to my daughters,

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but I started to say this more after

my conversation with Amy and Nancy.

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I think it's good and healthy.

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To remind your kids to see their

siblings as gifts and as positives as

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permanent presences in their lives.

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And it's up to them to grow and

an invest in that relationship.

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Number two.

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If your kids are arguing.

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Help them find the things that they

have in common or engage them in

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activities that will bring them together.

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It might be getting them to do the same

activity, like baking cookies or reminding

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them in the middle of an argument that

they both had long days and are tired.

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And so they need to cut

each other, some slack.

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Find a way to shift the energy.

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Number three.

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Model, unconditional love.

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Loving your partner.

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Loving your kids.

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Loving yourself, even

at the worst moments.

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Telling your kids that you love them,

even when they're not at their best.

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All of this conveys to your kids, that

you will always be there for them.

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Focus on the efforts and

intent not the outcomes.

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Did you do your best?

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That's what's important.

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Number four.

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Be a champion of your kid's

authentic choices, support their

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individuality and stand up for them.

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When Amy related the story of

when her mom came to her defense.

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Following the kids and giving

them a piece of her mind.

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It reminded me of the importance, not

just of acceptance, but also advocacy and

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sometimes coming to your kid's defense.

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How you show up for them now

has lasting impact on who they

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will become in the future.

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And number five.

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Wherever you're at whatever your struggle.

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Remember that you don't

have to do it alone.

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Seek out groups like The

Passionistas to support you.

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However you need it.

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To find out more about the passionistas.

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You can visit the passionistasproject.

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com or they are on Instagram

at the passionistasproject.

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You can also type in the passionistas

on LinkedIn, Facebook YouTube or Google

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and it will pull up Amy and Nancy and

all the good things that they're doing.

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Carmelita Tiu: I appreciate your time.

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I know that you have choices and

how to spend it and what you're

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listening to when you're doing

laundry or commuting and whatnot.

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If you like the podcast, share with

a friend, hit, follow or subscribe.

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If you're on Instagram, follow

@knowberaisethem and check out my website,

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carmelitatiu.com or knowberaisethem.com

if you're interested in more about

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the podcast or learning about how

we might be able to work together.

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I hope you have an amazing

day, week, month even.

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And here's to strong women.

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May we know them, may we be

them, and may we raise them.