Has your once-responsive puppy suddenly stopped listening? Dog trainer Juanita Rogers explains what is really happening during canine adolescence and how to help your teenage dog through it.

Canine adolescence can catch even experienced dog guardians off guard. Recall disappears, lead pulling returns, focus goes out the window and your previously confident puppy might suddenly become worried about things they never noticed before.

In this episode of The Yappy Hour, Nathan is joined by dog trainer Juanita Rogers from K9 Klass to unpack what is actually happening inside the adolescent dog's brain and body. They explore hormones, brain development, fear periods, breed-specific behaviours and why your dog really hasn't forgotten everything you've taught them.

Most importantly, Juanita shares practical ways to make this stage easier for both you and your dog, from going back to training basics and lowering expectations to enrichment, sniffing, decompression days and knowing when to ask for professional help.

What you'll learn

✅ When canine adolescence begins, how long it can last and why it varies between individual dogs

✅ Why your teenage dog can suddenly seem to forget their recall, stop responding to their name or start pulling on the lead again

✅ What's happening in the adolescent brain, including neural pruning, brain development and those frustrating moments of apparent "brain fog"

✅ How hormones, emotional development and fear periods can affect your dog's behaviour and confidence

✅ Why breed-specific behaviours such as herding and chasing can become more noticeable during adolescence

✅ How short training sessions, enrichment, scent work, play and decompression days can help an adolescent dog cope

✅ When to seek professional support and why choosing a qualified, force-free professional matters

Key takeaways

• Your dog isn't doing it to spite you. Adolescence is a major developmental period involving physical growth, hormonal changes and changes within the brain.

• Going backwards is sometimes exactly what your dog needs. Bring back the long line, practise recall at an easier level and keep training sessions short rather than expecting your dog to perform at their previous level.

• Consistency gives your dog stability. Everyone involved with your dog needs to be working in roughly the same way, particularly while so much else is changing for them.

• Enrichment isn't just about keeping your dog busy. Scent work, play and activities that give your dog an appropriate outlet for breed-specific behaviours can help with arousal, confidence and your relationship.

• A walk isn't always what your dog needs. Sometimes a decompression day at home, with sniffing, enrichment and gentle training, can be more beneficial than adding another potentially stressful walk.

• Adolescence doesn't last forever. Your dog needs support and guidance while they move through it, and struggling during this stage doesn't mean you've failed.

Connect with Juanita

K9 Klass website

K9 Klass Facebook

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Welcome to the Yappy Hour, powered by

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Yappily, the podcast for dog lovers.

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Dog parents, and anyone who

wants to deepen their connection

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with their four-legged friends.

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I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy,

and today we're diving back

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into a stage of dog owner.

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That doesn't get talked

about enough adolescence.

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If you've ever wondered why your

sweet puppy suddenly seems to have

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forgotten everything you taught

them or why they're suddenly testing

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boundaries, you are not alone.

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It's a stage that can be equal

parts frustrating and fascinating.

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To help us unpack it all,

I'm joined by the brilliant

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Juanita Rogers from K9 Klass.

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Dog training.

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Juanita has worked with countless

dogs and their humans guiding them

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through this tricky transition with

empathy, , patience, and practical advice.

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Today we'll talk about what's really going

on during adolescence, why it matters,

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and most importantly, how you as a dog

parent can survive and thrive through it.

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So grab a cup of tea, settle

in, and let's jump right in.

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Juanita, welcome to the Yappy

Hour, powered by Yappily.

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How are you?

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Juanita: I am good.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I'm good.

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How are you?

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Very well, thank you.

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I'm all good.

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I'm excited to chat with you.

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So for those who may not meet, be

familiar with, with yourself, could

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you just tell us a little bit about

yourself, your background, and what

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drew you to DOG training, please?

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Juanita: Oh God, I hate

talking about myself.

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I get really embarrassed.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

It's alright.

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Juanita: I started

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I started training

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Juanita: back when I

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: when I

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Juanita: first

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first bull.

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Juanita: Lenny.

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I.

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a lot of research on a breed, and I wanted

to make sure that I got everything right.

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So I took him to training

classes and got hooked.

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And then later down the line I ended up

becoming or just volunteering, helping

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: helping

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Juanita: trainer.

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From

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kind of from there.

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Juanita: Teaching classes and ended

up with a franchise and things.

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And so I did a lot of training

stuff, but the trainer

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Trainer I

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Juanita: of a balanced

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: trainer.

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Juanita: and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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Juanita: did.

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Fit right with me.

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Like it didn't feel like

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Like

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Juanita: what I should be doing.

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So

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

yeah, sure.

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Juanita: my studies, the

more I realized that.

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And then I found IMDT who

were my saving grace really.

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They kind of show, showed

me the light and gave me the

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confidence to go out on my own.

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And then since then I've been a

bit obsessed with learning really.

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Yeah,

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to list the qualifications I've.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

You've got.

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Juanita: Cheers.

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But there I keep saying

one more and an that's it.

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Note there's another one.

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So I've got two

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh,

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Juanita: at the moment in behavior and

I'm currently, well starting my level

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starting.

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Juanita: I said I

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, you are?

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Juanita: but I was like, wow, it's the

last thing I can do really, so I might as

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: it.

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And there's not a

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: of cas in our area.

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So it'd just be that kind

of icing on the cake really.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: So,

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Juanita: I do a

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I do a mixture of training and

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Mm-hmm.

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Training classes.

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Juanita: obviously

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: do

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Juanita: everyone does puppies

but a lot of stent work, pet gun,

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dog tracking, they all merge into

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: merge.

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Juanita: So it covers like the

same sort of group of dogs,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: and behavior.

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I studied, well, I.

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I can't get words out.

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With behavior.

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I mainly cover reactivity.

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It's like my specialist area

and adolescents as well.

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It's something that's fascinated me.

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And yeah, I can really get my geek

on when it comes to adolescent.

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Yeah, I think that's enough.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Great.

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No, it's good.

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And obviously we're gonna be

talking all about adolescents today.

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Yeah, it's great.

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I mean, obviously outside of this

podcast we do know each other quite

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well and we are friends and colleagues,

so we've done some similar courses and

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stuff, so, and we meet up socially.

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So it's so nice to actually get you on

to have a chat this evening and, yeah.

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So dedicated to just, you know,

being the, the best version of you

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that you can be for your clients and

yourself, and you are always learning.

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I love that about you.

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And a similar journey to me because it's

funny how our dogs, our own dogs get you

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into the industry because I was the same.

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It took my.

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Little toyed to puppy classes,

started volunteering and then

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obviously then got onto different

courses and similar courses to you.

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So yeah, it's funny how they

sort of draw us in, isn't it?

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Juanita: Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Love that.

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So adolescence then, it's such a big

area and something that obviously

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the caregivers and guardians do

struggle with, but what about,

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what is it about adolescents that

particularly interest you as a trainer?

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Juanita: Just, I think it's

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: just,

I think it's seeing the, the owner

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Juanita: and the tears

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: it's

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Juanita: the stress that it

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the stress that puts them under.

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Juanita: seeing the

same in the dogs really.

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'Cause they're equally as stressed.

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And confused as the owners are.

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And it's just so rewarding

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rewarding to help them

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understand why doing what they're

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Juanita: and they're not

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Juanita: it in

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Doing it spite.

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Juanita: And

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I know.

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Juanita: just

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Juanita: to see the smiles on their

faces when they learn the things to

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help them get through it, and they start

to make those little bits of progress.

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And

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of progress and

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Juanita: rewarding,

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really rewarding, but it's

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something that just really

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Juanita: it's,

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There's so

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Juanita: much to it.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

much to, yeah, there is.

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Yeah, there is.

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And like you said, I like,

they're not meaning to do it.

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That's the thing.

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Like, I like what you said there,

and obviously that's what we need

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to realize and hopefully our,

you know, pet parents do as well.

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They're not meaning to be like that way.

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It's just brain fog to them, isn't it?

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They've got so much going on and

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Juanita: Yeah.

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that affects their decisions.

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Juanita: Yes, big

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Right.

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So we're gonna be delving into it

a little bit more, and I'm just

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gonna make a point about CAB.

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So for our listeners that, that

are tuning in or for watching, CAB

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is a clinical animal behaviorist,

and that's what you apply for after

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your level six if you're doing your

studies, like goes up in levels.

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And then, yeah, level six, you

can then obviously become a CAB

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or clinical animal behaviorist.

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So just in case our listeners were

thinking, what's cab, hey cab.

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Is she get in a cab?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Let's move on to our first proper section

then as we delve into canine adolescence.

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And that is what is canine adolescence.

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So we hear a lot about puppy hood and the

puppy, you know, puppy nurse and all the

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terrible teens and that, but adolescence

often catches people off guard.

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How would you describe this stage?

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Juanita: Initial thing would be

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Thing would be testing.

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Testing

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Juanita: Yeah, but if you were to

look at it more technically, it's that

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bridge between puppy and adulthood.

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So

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: rapid growth, rapid

development, hormonal changes, physical

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growth spurts, and it's where we

start to see the emergence of some

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of those more adult like behaviors.

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I think that's the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's the easiest way of

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explaining it as a bridge.

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Yeah, I really like that actually.

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A bridge from puppyhood to, to adulthood.

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Yeah.

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And it's, and and testing as well.

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Yeah.

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It could be a, a test in time.

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A tricky time for, for the pet

parents, but obviously the dog

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going through it as well, you know?

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Juanita: Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah, bless.

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All right, so is there a typical age

range when adolescent starts and ends

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and dogs, or does it depend on the breed?

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Juanita: It depends

more on the size of the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, right.

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Juanita: smaller breeds will mature

more quickly than the larger one.

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So your standard

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Standard

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Juanita: age

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: of

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Juanita: will

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: age

range would normally be five, six months.

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You start to see it.

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Juanita: But smaller breeds,

it can be as early as 3.54

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months really for

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh wow.

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I didn't realize it was that young.

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Juanita: Early sometimes, and then

obviously the age range, it can go

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any from anywhere from kind of 18

months up to two and a half, three

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years before they hit full maturity.

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When I say that to

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh,

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Juanita: in my classes, their

faces drop and I'm like, it's okay.

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It's not that bad

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: okay.

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It.

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Juanita: I normally experience.

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I normally say like the six to 12

month is normally like the most testing

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: The

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Juanita: maybe

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: MM,

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Juanita: bit towards 18 months.

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And then

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: 18.

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Juanita: ah, that's okay then.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: You

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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Juanita: in my classes

the behavior changes.

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I'm like, how old are they now?

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And they go, just coming up

to five and a half months.

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I'm like that explains it all.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

yeah, yeah.

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It does have, has a lot

to answer for, doesn't it?

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Juanita: Yeah.

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And another thing as

well is both personality

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personality and

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Juanita: play a part in it as well.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: individual to

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individual to each dog.

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So not every dog follows

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Juanita: but

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: trends.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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The majority of them.

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Yeah.

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And I think we might have touched

on it, but do, are there breed

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differences and how adolescent shows up?

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So would your exhale, bully be

different to like your poodle or.

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Juanita: Not really.

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I'd say some some of the behaviors might

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Juanita: intenses.

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You tend to find

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Juanita: characteristics will start to

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will start.

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Juanita: So

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

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Juanita: You'll start to

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: emergence like

you're herding dogs.

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You'll start to see more

herding behaviors and

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Okay.

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Juanita: of thing coming outta

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Oh, that's really interesting.

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So it's worth, obviously, people

knowing, obviously you know that Wow.

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The type of breed, what they're bread for.

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Like if it's a herding or a

sight hound or guard, guardian

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breed, it's worth knowing that.

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'cause then those, I never, I

actually never knew that myself.

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So then those traits may start

kind of be being more prominent.

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Juanita: Yeah, you'll find things like

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Juanita: they start chasing more.

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I work

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Ah,

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Juanita: at the moment

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Juanita: was

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oh, lovely.

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Juanita: perfect around

animals, and then hit that kind

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Juanita: early adolescence mark,

and then all of a sudden it's gone

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: sudden.

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Juanita: and all that.

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Everything is all about the herding

and like the droving side of it.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: It's, yeah,

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Juanita: but

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fascinating

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Juanita: Ding when you've got a dog

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when you've got a dog that's

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got those sort of instincts.

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Oh, I do love a body.

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There's such like, yeah,

big characters, aren't they?

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So so it is definitely I from, I take

from that then it is definitely worth

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knowing your dog, you know, finding out

more about your dog, working with the dog.

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We say a lot about working with the

dog in front of you, but definitely.

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Research and the breed and

find, you know, working out more

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like about your dog, basically.

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Juanita: Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Good.

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Right.

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It's always good to know that.

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Alright, so let's move on then

to the challenges that some

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dog parents might encounter.

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What would you say are some of

the most common behaviors that

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crop up during adolescence that

can worry or frustrate the owners?

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Juanita: Oh, I've got like a whole list

of them and I'm just trying to pick.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's okay.

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Juanita: Prominent.

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So my top ones are coming back

when called, probably number

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one in response to name.

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Those

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh yes.

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Juanita: pulling on lead

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Juanita: for some reason.

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You have a resurgence of that.

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Chewing can come back for a bit.

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Definitely focus and

responsiveness as well.

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But a big one can be things like

fear and reactivity start to emerge.

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And then you've got like

your typical kind of

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Juanita: like

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

behaviors, like,

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Juanita: Boy dogs and mounting

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: oh yes.

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Juanita: so

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: of they're the ones that you

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the ones that you kind of expect,

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not at all dogs, but yeah, they're

the biggest ones are like the recall

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Juanita: in, that sort of thing.

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sort of thing.

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Yeah.

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So I guess sometimes it feels like,

oh, that training that you've done

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it is just out the window, isn't it?

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Juanita: Poof.

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Gone.

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Yeah, it's gone.

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But the thing is, I used to say

when I was doing a lot of when I

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was doing a lot of training, I used

to say like, you know, they're not,

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they're honestly not meaning to do it.

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They're not doing it on purpose.

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Like, you need to carry on with

your training because it will just,

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it will still go in, but they've

just, they've just can't really

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think straight at the moment.

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So, so important because a lot of the

pet parents, the guardians used to

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think, oh, oh, he is doing it on purpose.

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I'm like, no, A dog

doesn't think that way,

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Juanita: No, my dog hates me.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: hate me.

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Juanita: spite.

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doing it a spite.

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Yeah, definitely not.

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They cut.

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They don't do that.

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So I think it's just so

important just to reiterate.

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Factor, like pet parents

that are listening.

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It's just that, you know, you think

about like when you are as a human

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going through sort of puberty, your

emotions all over the place, aren't they?

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And you know, what comes to mind

for me is Kevin and Perry go large.

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If you are, if you are old enough

to remember Harry Enfield ca as

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soon as Kevin or you know, he

hits like puberty, he's like, oh.

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Stroppy.

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I'm a stroppy teen.

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Yeah.

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I'm a stroppy teenager all of a sudden.

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And, you know, going

in one A out the other.

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But like, and that's what I say, it's

good to compare, like, in that respect.

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It's just that, you know,

it's just a process.

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You just need to work with

them and how, you know, get

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through it, you know, together.

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Yeah, that's it.

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Why do you feel many dog parents

feel that their dog has forgotten?

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Oh, we've just sort of touched on it, but

why would they think that they, the dog's

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forgotten the training during this stage,

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Juanita: So if you wanna get

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so you wanna get geeky?

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Do love some geekiness.

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Juanita: Or have some geekiness.

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So there is some synoptic pruning of

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Pruning

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Juanita: during

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

brain during this

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so, oh.

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Juanita: happens is

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

What happens is, is the brain

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goes through a process of

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Juanita: unused neural connections.

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So they do it to

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so they do increase efficiency.

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Juanita: can do is

temporarily affect cognition.

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So calls the brain fog that you mentioned

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Juanita: so yeah, there's a

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

So, yeah.

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Juanita: on in the brain and

we'll touch on in a bit with some

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of the other questions as well,

but it's probably the easiest

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: It's

probably the easiest way of kind of

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explaining, explaining it to them.

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Oh, wow.

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I never, never heard of that before.

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That's really fascinating.

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Juanita: Yeah.

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I told you

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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Juanita: when it comes to this subject.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

no, we like, we like the geeking.

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I think I was listening

to a podcast I did.

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I'm sure that might happen

to human people as well.

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You know, like with our brains of, Hmm.

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Juanita: think there are

similarities in the way that the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

in the way that the brains

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Juanita: and and then

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: right

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Juanita: trainers and s to

say, well, we shouldn't be

453

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: say,

well, we shouldn't be comparing it.

454

Human brain.

455

No.

456

Juanita: from experience

457

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

experience

458

Juanita: makes sense to

459

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it sense to people.

460

Juanita: So I'm going with that.

461

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

462

Yeah.

463

And obviously dogs have

got like bigger parts.

464

Is it the amygdala?

465

I can't even say it.

466

That some parts of their brain are bigger.

467

Juanita: and smaller prefrontal cortex

468

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's it.

469

So it means they can feel the

emotions more, but then they can't

470

Juanita: process.

471

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it as, as that's it.

472

Yeah.

473

I did remember some of

my, some of my training.

474

Alright, so for those first time dog

guardians, what would you say, just

475

to reassure them at this stage that

it's all, it's all perfectly normal.

476

Juanita: Sometimes, like you say,

477

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Sometimes say it's

478

Juanita: of compare it

479

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: kind of

480

Juanita: like the childhood stage.

481

So our teenage stage so if I've got

parents, I will say, do you remember kind

482

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Say

483

Juanita: your children were that

484

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

when your children that age.

485

Juanita: I'll go.

486

Do you remember when you were

487

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Go.

488

When?

489

It was a long time ago.

490

Juanita: I know it is distance,

distant memory, but I'm like, do you

491

remember when your mom and dad would

ask you to do something and you'd

492

point blank refuse, but then like your

favorite aunt come in and ask you and

493

you'd go yeah, of course I do that.

494

And your parents would be like, what?

495

And you'd be like,

496

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

497

Juanita: Kevin and Perry, it's

like when he is talking to his mom

498

and dad, he's but as soon as it is

like Perry's mum, it's okay, Perry.

499

So that helps them to understand.

500

But then

501

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Understand, but

502

Juanita: dog wasn't like that.

503

And then it's just saying that

it does affect them differently.

504

So you could have siblings

in the same litter, but it

505

might affect them differently.

506

So it is nothing that you're doing wrong.

507

It is this individual

508

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

individual

509

Juanita: having a tougher time than your

510

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: tough.

511

Juanita: And I say to them

like, the problem is your dog

512

is probably gonna be quite

513

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Probably be quite conflicted and

514

Juanita: support and guidance.

515

During

516

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

support guidance during this time.

517

Juanita: gonna be

518

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

519

They're gonna be stressed or fearful,

520

Juanita: unable to regulate

521

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

unable to regulate their emotions,

522

so they kind of need our help.

523

Really,

524

Juanita: them the easier it's gonna be to

525

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: the

easier it's be to navigate through.

526

Juanita: stage.

527

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

528

And this keeps popping up a lot

recently on this podcast, is

529

that pet parents bless them.

530

Unfortunately, they do prepare, they do

compare their dog to their previous dog.

531

You know, like you just

said, oh, my old dog.

532

My old dog didn't do it.

533

But the thing is, you can't compare

regardless if you've had like 20

534

golden retrievers, like your dog is

an, your dog's an individual and you

535

can't compare it to your last, and we

have moved on a lot in the last few

536

years, particularly since COVID like.

537

The whole dynamic of everything's

changed with us and dogs and that,

538

but yeah, it's just does seem a bit

of a common theme is that they are,

539

they are comparing to their previous

dogs and you can't do that can you?

540

Juanita: absolutely not.

541

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

We've gotta work with the dog that's

542

in front of us, that's for sure.

543

Alright, let's, let's move on then to

understanding the dog's perspective now.

544

So

545

Juanita: Yes.

546

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

happening physically and emotionally

547

for dogs during adolescence?

548

Juanita: A lot.

549

So

550

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: A lot

551

Juanita: I've already touched on,

they've got rapid growth spurt so they

552

can have growing pains during this time.

553

We've also got, the teeth are all through,

but they undergo a period of settling.

554

So this is where the

resurgence of chewing can

555

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: chewing.

556

Juanita: occur as well with them.

557

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Well

558

Juanita: we've got the

559

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

we've got the.

560

Juanita: of your sexual

characteristics in them.

561

So physically you'll fine

males will start to get.

562

Broader

563

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: to get

564

Juanita: broader chests,

females will start

565

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: females

will start to widen the hips and start to

566

Juanita: And that

567

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: mm-hmm.

568

Side of things.

569

Juanita: we've got

570

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: We've

571

Juanita: the psychological side,

so we've already mentioned the

572

amygdala and prefrontal cortex.

573

So our,

574

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: so

their brains develop from the back.

575

Juanita: So the amygdala will actually

576

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: actually

mature quicker than the prefrontal cortex.

577

Juanita: this is

578

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

So this is where the of

579

Juanita: think before you act goes

580

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: you act

581

Juanita: because the act is really strong.

582

The thinking bit hasn't

quite caught up with it yet.

583

And because the amygdala,

584

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

because the,

585

Juanita: that

586

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

which is that processes

587

Juanita: the

588

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: that.

589

Juanita: matures quicker.

590

You can have exaggerated

591

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

can have exaggerated reactions.

592

Juanita: and emotional

responses to other stimuli.

593

So we've got that.

594

So

595

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

We've kind of that

596

Juanita: but they're not

597

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: powerful

stuff, but they're not quite equipped yet

598

to be able to process what's going on.

599

Mm.

600

Juanita: all

601

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

And on that you've,

602

Juanita: which

603

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: oh god.

604

Juanita: Oh God.

605

Out of experience I've definitely

come to the conclusion that girls are

606

easier than boys during this time.

607

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Really?

608

Juanita: I

609

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Really?

610

Oh, that's interesting.

611

Juanita: the opposite, but

from my experience, I'd rather

612

teach a class full of girl

613

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: A,

614

Juanita: than a class

full of adolescent boys.

615

'cause it is just a nightmare Sometimes

616

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

sometimes

617

Juanita: it's like being in like

a pub full of football supporters

618

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: it's,

619

Juanita: start test.

620

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

probably a, it's, yeah, it's

621

a pissing contest basically.

622

Juanita: Yeah.

623

So yeah, obviously we've got

624

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

625

Obviously

626

Juanita: the boys.

627

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

testosterone.

628

Juanita: thing that we'll do

is it induces the growth plate

629

closure and it helps to increase

630

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

It helps to increase bone density

631

Juanita: muscle

632

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

and improve

633

Juanita: also improves

634

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: and

also improve dog confidence as well.

635

Mm-hmm.

636

Not

637

Juanita: We've got the

Progest progesterone

638

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: pro

639

Production,

640

Juanita: cause

641

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: which.

642

Juanita: alertness startle and

awareness, and they can have re a risk

643

of conflict over resources as this

starts to happen as well with them.

644

So again, on top of everything

else, we've got all that going on

645

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, it's a lot.

646

Bless them.

647

It's a hell of a lot.

648

And just what to, yeah, you're

kind of trying to jam it all in.

649

So they're going through

a lot in that short space.

650

But a point of note as well is that

testosterone for the boys, it does help

651

with confidence as well, doesn't it?

652

So it,

653

Juanita: Massively.

654

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it's not necessarily a bad thing.

655

Mm.

656

No.

657

Juanita: you wanna

658

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

659

You wanna, you wanna keep

it as long as you can.

660

Yeah.

661

You don't want to maybe nter too

early because you could end up like

662

with a, you know, more nervous dog.

663

The testosterone does play a

part in the confidence building.

664

Juanita: does.

665

Yeah.

666

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

does, yeah.

667

And

668

Juanita: I see they've been given

669

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I've been given in advice,

670

Juanita: castrated way

671

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

been castrated.

672

Juanita: soon.

673

And,

674

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, I see.

675

Juanita: It

676

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

677

Juanita: really difficult.

678

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it really difficult.

679

Juanita: Can,

680

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: you can,

681

Juanita: kind

682

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Still kind of distill a little bit

683

of testosterone in there because

it's producing other parts of

684

the body as well, and there's

685

Juanita: to

686

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

you can do to boost it a little bit.

687

Juanita: be

688

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

689

Juanita: when they still add their bits.

690

But

691

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

692

Juanita: It's a tricky one

693

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it's a tricky one.

694

And again, it's education.

695

Juanita: out.

696

Like just because your dog's being a

bit of a teenage nightmare, castration

697

isn't often the answer for it.

698

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: No.

699

Well, I, we've seen that sometimes

it can make the behavior good or bad.

700

Can't, it

701

Juanita: Yeah,

702

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it worse, or it could, yeah.

703

Yes, that's the thing.

704

It's all about trying to weigh it all up.

705

And also I wanted to add in here is

that, you know, with the mountain it's

706

not always necessarily a sexual thing.

707

'cause a lot of us, if you are non

doggy, you see like, I like the

708

females trying to mount the mouths

or the mouths mount the females.

709

But it is kind of, may

not be a sexual thing.

710

It could be 'cause they're

just over aroused, isn't there?

711

Juanita: Yeah, that's the thing.

712

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that's the thing.

713

My

714

Juanita: used

715

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

previous dog used to mount her

716

brother when he had a toy that,

717

Juanita: to

718

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that she wanted to try.

719

Ah,

720

Juanita: obviously, just he was like.

721

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: ah,

722

Juanita: What's going on?

723

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

724

Juanita: My dog at the moment,

725

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

at the moment,

726

Juanita: to do it

727

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: she used

728

Juanita: dog

729

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

my other when she.

730

Juanita: and she would

try and entice her to

731

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Try

732

Juanita: it.

733

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

play with.

734

Juanita: of the

735

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm-hmm.

736

Juanita: like

737

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

the time, like

738

Juanita: side of things is, it's

739

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

of things,

740

Juanita: I

741

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

not often perceived really.

742

Mm-hmm.

743

Juanita: so

744

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: More so

745

Juanita: other

746

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

kind of the other side of it.

747

Really.

748

Yeah.

749

Mm-hmm.

750

Yeah.

751

People find it weird when like the females

start mount, I've got my girls, they do

752

it sometimes, but it's just like that.

753

You know, they're just trying

to release that tension.

754

They're just a bit,

sort of like ramped up.

755

So it's just their way of trying

to bring it, bring it all down.

756

How would you say that, how do hormones

and brain development and social maturity

757

play a role in what we see in day to day?

758

Juanita: So it could affect

759

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: So it.

760

Juanita: basis, some

days better than others.

761

And I normally say you see it

762

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I normally say a lot

763

Juanita: dogs.

764

It's like when they're

765

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: talk

766

Juanita: bit

767

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

like when they're having

768

a bit of a testosterone.

769

Those are the days where

770

Juanita: extra

771

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

kind of extra unresponsive and

772

they're not bothered by food rewards

773

Juanita: struggle to retain

774

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

struggle to retain

775

Juanita: And again, you start to see

776

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: you

start see kind of those reduction in those

777

Juanita: as

778

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

behaviors,

779

Juanita: you're used to

like the poppiness, the

780

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: the,

781

Juanita: but

782

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: the,

783

Juanita: there's a mixture of that

784

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

a mixture of that

785

Juanita: ones.

786

And like I said

787

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: one.

788

Juanita: the breed characteristics

starting to creep in there.

789

So no two

790

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm,

791

Juanita: the same, sometimes.

792

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

sometimes.

793

Mm.

794

It's a lot, isn't it?

795

It's a lot for the, it's a lot for

the dog and it's a lot for the human.

796

Juanita: Yeah, definitely.

797

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

It's, it's a lot for all involved.

798

And I guess really like.

799

As pet parents, we want to be

like as informed as we can be.

800

You know, it's important to probably do a

bit of research and look into it or, you

801

know, to understand what's going on more.

802

Juanita: Yeah.

803

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

804

Good.

805

Can adolescents be a particularly

sensitive period for confidence or fear?

806

Juanita: Definitely.

807

Yeah.

808

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: So

809

Juanita: this

810

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

yeah, during this period we've

811

kind of got the, the switching on

the nervous system taking place.

812

Juanita: extra

813

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

They being extra sensitive and

814

Juanita: in those

815

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: it

can, in those reactions to stimuli that

816

they didn't previously have any issues,

817

Juanita: my boy, he was

818

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: he was

819

Juanita: afraid

820

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

suddenly afraid people were

821

Juanita: scooters to the point I

had to pick him up to carry him

822

past even parked mobility scooters.

823

He wouldn't go through there and.

824

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: wow.

825

Juanita: So it can be people,

objects, animals and the problem is,

826

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

the problem is

827

Juanita: that they show

can be quite excessive

828

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

excessive.

829

Juanita: as well.

830

So again, you've got that kind of large

amygdala kind of already overtaken the.

831

The maturity of the other side.

832

So it can be quite

833

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: It

could be quite intense, and it's not just,

834

Juanita: Sometimes

835

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

sometimes it can be quite intense,

836

Juanita: hyperactive

837

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

hyperactive

838

Juanita: behavior along

839

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

behavior.

840

Juanita: as well.

841

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

842

So

843

Juanita: they go through,

844

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: they go

through obviously the first fear period

845

Juanita: lovely point when you're about to

846

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: when

you're about to pick them up as a puppy,

847

Juanita: but then I

848

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: but then

849

Juanita: they can

850

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

find, go through

851

Juanita: them

852

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

of them and several.

853

Mm.

854

Juanita: Identifying from my

855

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

From experience

856

Juanita: kind of like

857

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: kind of,

858

Juanita: of age and suddenly

859

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yes.

860

Juanita: of onset.

861

But the

862

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Problem

863

Is it can last hours.

864

It

865

Juanita: it could

866

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: days.

867

It could last.

868

Juanita: one

869

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

870

Juanita: something, and

the next day actually I'm

871

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

day, actually, I'm okay again.

872

Juanita: you find it can happen

anywhere from around about nine

873

months up to as long as 21 months.

874

Sometimes you can still get those little

resurgences of the fear side of things.

875

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

876

Juanita: It's quite

common during this phase.

877

And again, I find it quite a lot of

878

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Quite a lot male dogs

879

Juanita: work mainly with male

dogs or is it just those that

880

have all the, these issues.

881

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: issues.

882

Mm-hmm.

883

Juanita: again, fear is like

a big one during this phase.

884

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm-hmm.

885

I've heard of the second fear cycles.

886

That must be what you're referring to,

like the eight, the nine months thing.

887

But

888

Juanita: stroke, third, fourth, fifth, it

889

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I didn't realize there were, I

890

didn't realize there were more,

potentially more beyond the second.

891

Yeah.

892

Juanita: And again, it

893

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

And again, it depends to

894

Juanita: And their temperament

895

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

temperament and their

896

confidence level mm-hmm.

897

Juanita: you can go even

further into the geeky

898

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Into the geeky stuff.

899

Juanita: how they were

brought up, their kind of

900

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh yeah.

901

Juanita: and stress in the womb

and all that side of things.

902

All these can have an impact

903

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: An

904

Juanita: how well equipped

905

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: how

well equipped they're to deal with how

906

Juanita: to

907

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

sensitive they.

908

Mm.

909

And you said it could last

a day and then that'd be it.

910

I didn't realize that either.

911

Juanita: yeah.

912

It

913

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh gosh.

914

Juanita: literally be really short periods

915

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: periods.

916

Mm.

917

Juanita: of gone again, and I suppose

it depends what their arousal's

918

doing that day, hormones and how

much sleep they've had and all that

919

kind of side of things as well.

920

So yeah, I tend, I

921

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

922

Juanita: it

923

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I

tend to find it's normally a little

924

bit longer than that, but mm-hmm.

925

It can be that short.

926

Yeah.

927

And like you say, it probably depends

on like the, the breed of the dog.

928

'cause we're having the size of the dog.

929

Juanita: Yeah.

930

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: so it

seems like going for adolescence and that

931

like, it's just even more for them to,

932

Juanita: You start

933

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

you know, poor things.

934

Juanita: now.

935

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

936

Yeah.

937

I, I feel like my mind's just gonna

like, explode, bless them if they're

938

having to go through all that.

939

Right.

940

Then let's move on to our next

section, which is all about practical

941

tips and survival strategies.

942

I love that survival for survival

for the parent as well as the dog.

943

Juanita: Yeah.

944

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

if a, if a pet parent guardian is

945

struggling with recall lead pulling or

just ignoring general cues, what would

946

you say The best way to handle it is?

947

Juanita: First of all, go back to basics.

948

I'm forever

949

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yes, every single day

950

Juanita: go back on the long line again.

951

Go back to practicing recall, two

feet away from you and don't expect

952

too much is a big thing as well.

953

And I say to people days

where they're having a good

954

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

they're having a good day.

955

Juanita: days where they're

not stick where you are.

956

Actually

957

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: You

958

Juanita: back a

959

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

just go back a step.

960

Juanita: because

961

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm-hmm.

962

Juanita: just gonna do

963

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

You're just gonna do yourself a favor.

964

You're not gonna get frustrated.

965

The dog's not gonna get frustrated.

966

Juanita: feel like a

967

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

You're not gonna do like a failure

968

Juanita: practice some of those

969

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

practice, some of kind of

970

Juanita: and the training as

971

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

training as well.

972

So don't

973

Juanita: expect too much

and keep things really

974

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

keep things.

975

Juanita: of forever saying don't

spend more than five, 10 minutes and

976

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: 10

977

Juanita: things, five

repetitions, and then

978

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

petition.

979

Juanita: People are obsessed

with, I need to put like an

980

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Need,

981

Juanita: and I need to get the doctor to

982

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: need

983

Juanita: times.

984

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: times.

985

Yeah.

986

Juanita: they're just not

capable of dealing with that many

987

repetitions and that longer time.

988

So keep.

989

Thoughts and kind of finish with

990

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: And.

991

Juanita: wanting more.

992

And we've got

993

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Obviously we've,

994

Juanita: from a professional

as well as part of that.

995

But a big

996

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

997

Juanita: take a break.

998

Sometimes

999

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

sometimes.

00:28:36,223 --> 00:28:36,673

Juanita: from it.

00:28:36,793 --> 00:28:38,203

Or even if

00:28:38,324 --> 00:28:38,614

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:28:38,653 --> 00:28:40,513

Juanita: you are, we're not

gonna go for a walk today.

00:28:40,513 --> 00:28:43,813

We are gonna do some brain

games and enrichment at home.

00:28:43,813 --> 00:28:46,453

Or, you know what, let's go and

book the dog field and just.

00:28:46,873 --> 00:28:50,953

Both chill out and freedom

and no worries and stresses.

00:28:50,953 --> 00:28:55,213

So yeah, I can't emphasize enough how

sometimes just have a break for it for

00:28:55,213 --> 00:28:57,883

both the caregiver and the dog really.

00:28:58,069 --> 00:28:58,609

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Dog, really?

00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:59,249

Mm.

00:28:59,724 --> 00:29:00,174

Yeah.

00:29:00,454 --> 00:29:03,814

And I like what you said there,

seek out advice from a professional.

00:29:03,814 --> 00:29:07,474

So I'm gonna do a little plug here

since we're powered by Yappily.

00:29:07,634 --> 00:29:11,684

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00:29:11,684 --> 00:29:15,674

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00:29:15,674 --> 00:29:19,064

So yeah, do seek out an

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00:29:19,064 --> 00:29:20,814

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00:29:24,074 --> 00:29:24,734

Good luck.

00:29:24,734 --> 00:29:25,244

There we go.

00:29:25,244 --> 00:29:26,264

We gotta get him in there.

00:29:26,554 --> 00:29:30,904

No, and I like what you say as

well, is that unfortunately we're

00:29:30,904 --> 00:29:37,234

in a world now where everything's

rushed and we want quick results.

00:29:37,234 --> 00:29:39,694

Unfortunately, we want

everything done, but.

00:29:39,754 --> 00:29:43,324

With this situations that arise.

00:29:43,444 --> 00:29:46,234

And if you've, if you are

struggling, it's just taking it

00:29:46,234 --> 00:29:49,384

back to basics and just slow down.

00:29:49,744 --> 00:29:53,794

Just, you know, slow down, little

bite-sized training sessions,

00:29:53,794 --> 00:29:57,904

five minutes and just, yeah,

bring it all back to basics.

00:29:57,904 --> 00:29:58,504

Slow it down.

00:29:58,504 --> 00:30:00,754

It's just, well, it works, doesn't it?

00:30:01,088 --> 00:30:01,418

Juanita: Yeah,

00:30:01,639 --> 00:30:01,699

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:30:01,748 --> 00:30:02,108

Juanita: does.

00:30:02,659 --> 00:30:03,739

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, yeah.

00:30:03,739 --> 00:30:05,059

Some good advice there.

00:30:05,339 --> 00:30:05,789

Right.

00:30:05,819 --> 00:30:09,834

How important then, is consistency

during this stage, would you say?

00:30:10,668 --> 00:30:11,278

Important

00:30:11,632 --> 00:30:14,322

Juanita: when you think how

much the dog is going through

00:30:14,322 --> 00:30:17,592

and how unstable their life is

00:30:17,828 --> 00:30:19,198

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

life at the moment

00:30:19,992 --> 00:30:20,202

Juanita: wanna keep

00:30:20,218 --> 00:30:20,438

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: you

00:30:20,692 --> 00:30:22,112

So kind of consistent

00:30:22,166 --> 00:30:23,066

Juanita: and white, so there's

00:30:23,132 --> 00:30:23,352

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: and.

00:30:24,086 --> 00:30:25,856

Juanita: in there for the dog as well.

00:30:26,066 --> 00:30:27,916

You can still go back steps and

00:30:27,937 --> 00:30:29,322

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Go back steps and move forward.

00:30:29,532 --> 00:30:31,362

But just be consistent

00:30:31,816 --> 00:30:31,996

Juanita: how

00:30:32,022 --> 00:30:32,477

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

with kind of what you're

00:30:32,477 --> 00:30:33,757

doing, how you're doing it.

00:30:33,886 --> 00:30:33,976

Juanita: of

00:30:34,177 --> 00:30:36,972

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: You're

not kind of practicing on a long line.

00:30:37,096 --> 00:30:37,366

Juanita: letting

00:30:37,482 --> 00:30:38,112

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

The next minute

00:30:38,146 --> 00:30:38,416

Juanita: go

00:30:38,532 --> 00:30:38,712

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: off

00:30:39,046 --> 00:30:39,526

Juanita: ignore

00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:40,152

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

completely you

00:30:40,366 --> 00:30:40,696

Juanita: and do

00:30:40,897 --> 00:30:41,917

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

and do their own

00:30:42,406 --> 00:30:42,886

Juanita: it's, make sure

00:30:42,912 --> 00:30:43,182

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: and

00:30:43,366 --> 00:30:43,846

Juanita: consistent

00:30:43,902 --> 00:30:45,102

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

everyone's consistent as well.

00:30:45,432 --> 00:30:48,162

Having this conversation to today with

00:30:48,342 --> 00:30:48,882

Juanita: I was,

00:30:49,063 --> 00:30:49,728

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

someone I was.

00:30:49,902 --> 00:30:50,742

Juanita: I can't remember

what I was doing.

00:30:50,802 --> 00:30:54,192

Oh, I had the FET physio round and

we were having the same conversation

00:30:54,253 --> 00:30:54,553

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Conversation

00:30:54,792 --> 00:30:55,812

Juanita: kind of one

00:30:55,813 --> 00:30:56,203

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: kind of

00:30:56,322 --> 00:30:56,382

Juanita: the

00:30:56,593 --> 00:30:57,698

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

one person in the family.

00:30:58,302 --> 00:31:00,332

Juanita: in and then the

other one's yeah, whatever.

00:31:00,422 --> 00:31:02,462

So I'm working with a dog at the moment.

00:31:02,492 --> 00:31:02,552

The.

00:31:03,387 --> 00:31:07,077

The daughter's been putting in all

the work, went away for two weeks,

00:31:07,377 --> 00:31:10,647

came back and parents have been

looking after the dog and he's

00:31:10,647 --> 00:31:12,957

regressed a little bit 'cause they

00:31:13,023 --> 00:31:17,643

Haven't really stuck to all her,

this is what you need to do with him.

00:31:17,893 --> 00:31:19,153

So it's just a classic sign.

00:31:19,153 --> 00:31:21,193

We've now got a build back up again.

00:31:21,493 --> 00:31:22,093

Whereas if at

00:31:22,259 --> 00:31:22,549

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:31:22,573 --> 00:31:26,083

Juanita: just made it consistent,

it wouldn't have been a problem.

00:31:26,133 --> 00:31:26,763

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:31:28,623 --> 00:31:28,923

Yeah.

00:31:28,928 --> 00:31:31,593

When I was doing classes, I

used to say that everyone needs

00:31:31,593 --> 00:31:33,033

to be on the same hymn sheet.

00:31:33,483 --> 00:31:36,333

It consistency is key

because the dogs bless 'em.

00:31:36,333 --> 00:31:37,683

They do get confused.

00:31:38,133 --> 00:31:40,863

So I said, you know, if it's

lots of people in the house, like

00:31:40,863 --> 00:31:42,693

you've all got be on it like Sonic.

00:31:43,507 --> 00:31:44,017

Juanita: Yes.

00:31:45,503 --> 00:31:46,698

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

It is so important.

00:31:46,748 --> 00:31:48,218

You know, not to confuse the dog.

00:31:48,298 --> 00:31:51,928

And I'm a big advocate in a lot of

my work as well, is that progression

00:31:51,928 --> 00:31:53,758

is like better than perfection.

00:31:53,758 --> 00:31:55,888

So progress is better than perfection.

00:31:56,248 --> 00:31:56,408

Do you know what I mean?

00:31:56,408 --> 00:31:57,868

You can't, can't all be boring.

00:31:58,018 --> 00:32:01,138

Can't all be perfect 'cause life would

be boring, but you know, if as long

00:32:01,138 --> 00:32:02,818

as you're sort of making progress.

00:32:03,303 --> 00:32:04,263

That's important.

00:32:04,713 --> 00:32:05,343

I love this.

00:32:05,343 --> 00:32:06,573

Next word, enrichment.

00:32:06,573 --> 00:32:08,763

We talk about enrichment

a lot on this podcast.

00:32:08,763 --> 00:32:13,803

So what role would you say enrichment

play mental stimulation has in

00:32:13,803 --> 00:32:15,543

supporting these adolescent dogs?

00:32:15,947 --> 00:32:17,597

Juanita: Plays such a big part,

00:32:17,938 --> 00:32:18,498

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

a big part.

00:32:18,707 --> 00:32:19,217

Juanita: them a job

00:32:19,318 --> 00:32:20,578

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it gives them a job to do

00:32:20,747 --> 00:32:21,017

Juanita: go

00:32:21,118 --> 00:32:21,858

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

so they don't,

00:32:22,037 --> 00:32:22,907

Juanita: elsewhere.

00:32:22,907 --> 00:32:24,797

And it helps with those

00:32:24,898 --> 00:32:25,358

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it helps.

00:32:26,147 --> 00:32:26,927

Juanita: to have the.

00:32:27,392 --> 00:32:32,222

Kind of emergence of those breed specific

behaviors, we can start channeling them

00:32:32,222 --> 00:32:34,622

before they start to become a problem and

00:32:34,793 --> 00:32:35,063

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Problem

00:32:35,522 --> 00:32:35,612

Juanita: that

00:32:35,693 --> 00:32:36,818

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

give them something that they

00:32:36,818 --> 00:32:37,898

can really get their teeth into

00:32:37,952 --> 00:32:38,252

Juanita: than

00:32:38,478 --> 00:32:39,218

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

rather than

00:32:39,422 --> 00:32:40,022

Juanita: ways, like

00:32:40,108 --> 00:32:41,658

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

other ways, like your colleagues

00:32:41,658 --> 00:32:42,858

started to herd traffic,

00:32:42,962 --> 00:32:43,472

Juanita: herding

00:32:43,728 --> 00:32:45,618

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

more herding type stuff with them.

00:32:45,678 --> 00:32:46,098

Mm-hmm.

00:32:46,502 --> 00:32:46,772

Juanita: it will

00:32:46,858 --> 00:32:47,058

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Richmond

00:32:47,102 --> 00:32:47,702

Juanita: give them that

00:32:47,768 --> 00:32:48,698

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

help give them that

00:32:48,812 --> 00:32:49,202

Juanita: need to

00:32:49,298 --> 00:32:50,818

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

don't feel thewhere.

00:32:50,952 --> 00:32:51,912

Juanita: Things like enrichment

00:32:51,993 --> 00:32:52,383

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Things like

00:32:52,482 --> 00:32:52,782

Juanita: I'm like a

00:32:52,983 --> 00:32:54,273

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

as well, like a master fan of

00:32:54,642 --> 00:32:55,122

Juanita: the power

00:32:55,122 --> 00:32:55,937

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

yes, you're, yeah.

00:32:56,191 --> 00:32:57,691

Juanita: It's a lower arousal,

00:32:57,897 --> 00:32:58,017

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: A

00:32:58,261 --> 00:32:58,471

Juanita: I

00:32:58,717 --> 00:32:58,937

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: and

00:32:59,071 --> 00:32:59,371

Juanita: a lot

00:32:59,417 --> 00:33:00,417

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I often use lot.

00:33:00,601 --> 00:33:03,961

Juanita: dogs that are struggling

with fear and anxiety because

00:33:04,372 --> 00:33:04,862

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Because

00:33:05,191 --> 00:33:08,251

Juanita: their triggers, obviously

at a safe distance, but it helps

00:33:08,251 --> 00:33:09,721

to build their confidence when

00:33:09,782 --> 00:33:10,742

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

confidence when

00:33:10,861 --> 00:33:13,681

Juanita: and around triggers

and, I just find it just

00:33:13,747 --> 00:33:14,467

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I find it

00:33:14,521 --> 00:33:14,971

Juanita: job

00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:15,347

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: a.

00:33:15,751 --> 00:33:17,551

Juanita: all this sort

of thing play as well.

00:33:17,551 --> 00:33:22,051

It really builds the relationship between

the caregiver and the dog as well.

00:33:22,051 --> 00:33:24,481

It's under such a stranger in this time.

00:33:24,841 --> 00:33:27,601

Play can be a great kind of healer and

00:33:27,762 --> 00:33:28,262

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Of heal

00:33:28,591 --> 00:33:29,521

Juanita: as well, more than we

00:33:29,652 --> 00:33:29,942

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Well.

00:33:30,951 --> 00:33:32,096

Juanita: So these exercises are

00:33:32,147 --> 00:33:32,207

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

00:33:32,207 --> 00:33:33,857

These exercises are great

and the thing is require

00:33:33,861 --> 00:33:34,941

Juanita: too much of the dog's

00:33:35,207 --> 00:33:37,397

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

much the dog brain power either.

00:33:37,562 --> 00:33:39,137

It's easy for them to do

00:33:39,181 --> 00:33:40,681

Juanita: so that way it gives

00:33:40,787 --> 00:33:41,337

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that way it,

00:33:41,551 --> 00:33:42,301

Juanita: 'cause it's easy for

00:33:42,362 --> 00:33:42,652

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: it's

00:33:42,901 --> 00:33:43,171

Juanita: with

00:33:43,232 --> 00:33:44,212

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

to do them

00:33:44,251 --> 00:33:44,671

Juanita: the dog a

00:33:44,712 --> 00:33:45,052

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: and it.

00:33:45,211 --> 00:33:49,111

Juanita: all the stressors and having

to try and process everything they can.

00:33:49,111 --> 00:33:52,051

Just use those breed

instincts and have fun.

00:33:53,237 --> 00:33:54,807

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, have, and that's the

00:33:54,807 --> 00:33:55,687

important thing, isn't it?

00:33:55,687 --> 00:33:56,967

Is having fun with it, isn't it?

00:33:57,246 --> 00:33:58,476

Juanita: Yeah, definitely.

00:33:58,537 --> 00:33:59,767

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Definitely We

00:33:59,886 --> 00:34:02,016

Juanita: and is such a strain on us.

00:34:02,016 --> 00:34:03,906

During that stage, you can understand

00:34:03,987 --> 00:34:04,407

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: mm-hmm.

00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:08,286

Juanita: tense and sometimes just

a bit of fun, play a bit of tugg

00:34:08,286 --> 00:34:11,706

with your dog and a bit of run

around hide and seek and stuff.

00:34:11,706 --> 00:34:13,386

It's just, you can just feel

00:34:13,697 --> 00:34:14,947

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Just feel that kind.

00:34:14,976 --> 00:34:17,255

Juanita: dopamine kind of rising.

00:34:18,031 --> 00:34:22,081

Those happy, lovely hormones coming

through make them both feel kind

00:34:22,081 --> 00:34:22,382

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

To make them

00:34:22,771 --> 00:34:23,011

Juanita: and,

00:34:23,012 --> 00:34:23,552

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

both feel more relaxed.

00:34:23,731 --> 00:34:24,150

Juanita: again.

00:34:24,630 --> 00:34:25,650

Love your dog again.

00:34:25,757 --> 00:34:27,422

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

used, yeah.

00:34:27,422 --> 00:34:29,282

I used to say to my clients

like, it should be fun.

00:34:29,282 --> 00:34:32,677

The moment it's not fun, then

you need to mix it up a bit.

00:34:32,942 --> 00:34:35,431

'cause it should, it,

it shouldn't be a chore.

00:34:35,596 --> 00:34:35,886

Juanita: Yeah.

00:34:35,972 --> 00:34:36,842

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

shouldn't be a chore.

00:34:36,842 --> 00:34:38,012

It shouldn't be boring.

00:34:38,042 --> 00:34:38,851

It should be fun.

00:34:38,851 --> 00:34:42,117

And then it helps cement that

relationship and bond, doesn't it?

00:34:42,335 --> 00:34:43,146

Juanita: Yeah, definitely.

00:34:43,527 --> 00:34:44,377

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

00:34:44,732 --> 00:34:44,942

Yeah.

00:34:44,942 --> 00:34:49,112

So important, and I wanted to

just say as well, is that beyond

00:34:49,112 --> 00:34:52,112

puppies, like training is for life.

00:34:52,172 --> 00:34:55,202

Like people just think, oh, I've

done a six week puppy course.

00:34:55,442 --> 00:34:55,952

That's it.

00:34:55,952 --> 00:34:58,082

But no training is for

life, isn't it really?

00:34:58,311 --> 00:34:59,121

Juanita: Yeah, that's the

00:34:59,167 --> 00:34:59,457

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:34:59,477 --> 00:35:00,137

That's the thing

00:35:00,321 --> 00:35:01,041

Juanita: kind of, 'cause I

00:35:01,052 --> 00:35:01,352