BONUS: Patrick Swayze's Legacy & New Book with Sue Tabashnik

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and this is a very

unique bonus episode of Retro Made.

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Today we're going to take a little detour

and travel back to talk about one of our

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ultimate everyman from Season one One, Mr.

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Patrick Swayze.

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And my guest today is Sue Tabachnik

and she is an author and devoted

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Patrick Swayze historian, whose

five books the most recent,

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which is titled Patrick Swayze.

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Still inspiring these books span

everything from fan fueled looks at

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dirty dancing to intimate portraits of

Patrick and his mother, Patsy, helping

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preserve and celebrate his legacy.

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On and off the screen.

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Sue, I cannot thank you

enough for joining me.

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Welcome.

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Sue: Well, thank you so

much for having me, Katie.

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I really appreciate it.

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Katie: Of course.

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I mean, I can always get more

Patrick Swayze in my life.

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I think we all need it.

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So that's why I'm very

excited to, to talk with you.

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But but before we get into that,

I'm curious, you know, given you've

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written five books about him,

what's your history with Patrick?

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AKA, the Swayze, AKA buddy to

those who are close to him?

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So how did you come to know and

love this Extremely multi-talented,

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beautifully sculpted man.

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Sue: You know, I was always a movie goer.

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I went to the movies every single weekend.

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I tried to catch the new releases.

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Well, one weekend back in 1987,

dirty Dancing was a new release, and

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I was just mesmerized with Patrick.

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I mean, I probably shouldn't say this,

but North and South, a TV miniseries

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about the Civil War had come out

earlier and I really didn't get into it.

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Okay.

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But dirty dancing, it just captured me.

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And I was one of the ones who went

back and back to the movie theater.

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You know, people would say the

lines out loud Before it was

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even time for the, for the lines.

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And then I saw his interview

on Barbara Walters, and then I

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believe that was in 1988, the

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first interview with her.

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And then I, I just became hooked because

he seemed like so talented, but also just

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a good guy, you know, passionate, caring.

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He broke down about his father's son

death and he wants to honor his father

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by, you know, having a, a ranch.

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And he and his wife Lisa, got into

the business of raising horses.

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So from then on I was hooked.

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And then I joined his official

international Patrick Swayze fan

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club, which is run out of the uk.

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I just got involved in that.

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I guess I should also note that at that

particular moment in my life when Dirty

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Dancing came out, I had gone through a

really bad breakup and this, the movie

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and then him just helped me through it.

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You know, it just really captured me.

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So, and then getting into the fan

club, that was just amazing, the more

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I learned about him, the more I, you

know, saw his work and I eventually

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ended up meeting him four times.

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It just really hooked me, you know?

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'cause he came to Detroit twice.

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I'm just outside of

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Detroit, so it was very close to me and.

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It was so unusual 'cause I became very

good friends with a woman who was running

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the fan club who based out in Scotland,

but she's, it was an international club

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and she said, this is just so unusual.

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So he hosted complexions Contemporary

la they're out in New York, sort

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of an international company.

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They do a lot of outreach with

inner city kids for dance.

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So I was just like, before I

met 'em, I could hardly eat

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or sleep for the three days.

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I think before it was just and I

never was like that with another

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actor or celebrity, whatever.

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And since then, never, it was just,

you know, I didn't see it coming.

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So anyway, it was a dance concert.

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He introduced the dancers.

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I got a seat in the

front row, which was not.

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Where you wanna sit for

a dance performance.

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That's where I wanted to sit.

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'cause he was giving a speech

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Katie: I see him.

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Yeah, of course.

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Sue: and it was my aunt was there with me.

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She loved one of his movies, city of Joy.

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And then they had a reception after the

concert that was an amazing dance company.

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Patrick and his wife Lisa were

on the board of directors.

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Okay.

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So anyway, we go like across the

street, we're in downtown Detroit,

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you know, for the reception.

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And everyone is just, I mean the air

was electric waiting for him to come in.

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And then he gave photos and

autographs and he just turned out

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to be a true southern gentleman.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Sue: And, you know, I would

you like to hear the story

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Katie: Of course set the stage for us.

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So what year approximately, not

exactly, but timeframe approximately.

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Was this

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Sue: I think it was 2002.

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It was the very first time I met him

and like I saw my aunt was with me.

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I think she just sort

of humored me, you know?

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So I'd have someone to go with.

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But anyway, we're in line

and it's our turn, you know?

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And my aunt, you know, the throwaway

cameras we used to use all the time,

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she had mine, she couldn't

get it to work right.

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And then I, she looked like she

was gonna pass out or something,

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so he put his arm out to hold her.

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I.

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was like, I didn't know what was going on.

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And then he, he took the camera,

he waves it up in the air.

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You can take this woman's

picture, you know?

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And of course we had volunteers.

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This lady who I, I

didn't know who she was.

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She kicked my photo with Patrick, and

I thought, I better get outta here.

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I'm holding up the line, you know,

but he wasn't gonna have that.

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So it was really hard

to talk to him, though.

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The band was really loud and all that.

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And that was, it was really incredible.

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You know, he, he really was a

true southern gentleman, honestly.

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Katie: Yeah, I will say, I read

and I talked about it quite a bit

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last season, covering his movies.

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And I did cover North and South as well.

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I had read the book that he wrote

with his wife shortly before

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his passing and learned so much.

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And I, I became an way bigger fan.

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The man tried and did everything

and it does sound like he

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does sound like a good human.

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Did you prepare what you

were gonna say to him?

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I mean, I just don't even, mm-hmm.

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Sue: you know what, the, the president

of the club fan club has said, well,

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make sure you say hello from me.

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You know, 'cause he really with his

official club kept in close touch

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with her, like in terms of projects

coming up and stuff like that.

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But like I said, the band was

so loud he couldn't hear me.

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You know, I was sort of

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bummed about that, but that was

the least of it, you know, and

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then I found out that a bunch of

people who were at, the reception.

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It was a, a benefit for

complexions, basically.

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You know, you had to pay sort of a

lot of money then to get in there,

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but the money went to the complexions.

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I found out, 'cause this guy I sort

of knew from work, he, he was there.

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I didn't know he was there.

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And they all went to a restaurant

in, in downtown Detroit.

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That having Patrick there, I guess with

that there was so much commotion in that

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he had to leave shortly thereafter, you

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know, it wasn't,

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contained enough or something.

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'cause at first I felt really bad.

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Oh, I missed it, you know, but

he came back again to Detroit

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and I wanna say it was 2004.

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It was the same situation.

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Another

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fundraiser, and I was

in the front row again.

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I went by myself and I met some

of the people at the reception

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who were like administrators

for complexions and, you know.

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Some of the dancers were

there from complexions.

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I have photos, it's so cool.

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And I got to talk to him one on one.

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Again, my biggest thing

though was: 2003

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They had a premier of one last

dance, which was a long term project

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in Patrick and his wife Lisa.

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I mean, she wrote the thing directed.

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He starred in it a dance movie.

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A real dance movie.

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Not like dirty dancing.

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I mean, you're dancing the last

scene at all when he jumps off stage.

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That's real dancing.

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But you know, he had such a background

and that was, I mean, a lot of people

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from the fan club came from all over

the world and of course people from

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the States and Canada and they really.

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It was really well planned.

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I mean, we got to sit in the movie

theater where the movie was premiering.

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You know, the first, they had four

theaters in this complex for this event.

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It was all for this movie, but we got to

sit like right in front of this family

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and friends, and Patrick and

Lisa, they introduced the movie.

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There was a reception

after the movie at a hotel.

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He's running around, no

bodyguard talking to everyone.

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He is doing TV interviews, and I

got to talk to him on a one-to-one.

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He could hear me that time.

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Katie: What did you say?

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What did you talk about?

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Sue: yeah, I mean, we talked about

the movie and he was telling me

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how a soundtrack was coming out.

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I mean, he sings two songs in that movie.

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I, I know a lot of people don't really

know he was a songwriter and a singer.

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I mean, we might know from

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Dirty Dancing.

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She's like the wind.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Sue: But I mean, he sang in Roadhouse

and then this movie, one Last Dance with

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a couple other ones, and he was, he was

very, like you said, he could do anything.

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He was so talented and I

think he had planned on doing

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more with the music later on.

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Katie: Mm.

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Sue: But sadly, I mean, I know there

was a lot of stuff, he wrote a lot

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of songs that never got released,

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and at this point I

doubt if they ever will.

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But he, he was just multi-talented.

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But anyway, the theme of this movie, one

Last Dance, have you seen that at all?

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Katie: I don't think so.

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Sue: Unfortunately it, it didn't really

do, I think it went right to video or

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something, but I mean, I love the dancing

and a lot of people criticize like the

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plot and the acting, not his acting, but.

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And the music was really cool.

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The guy who wrote she's like

The Wind with Patrick, he

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did the composing of the music for

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this.

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But anyway, the theme was it's

never too late to have a dream

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and never give up on your dreams.

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And so that.

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got me going and that's when

I decided, you know what?

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I've been writing these

articles for the fan club.

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I'm gonna write a book.

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Katie: Are you an author by trade

but had, had you been a writer

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before that, like as your trade?

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Sue: No, I, I was a psych social worker.

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I mean, I did that for like 40 years

and I sort of dabbled a little bit in

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writing, but I never took a class in it.

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I never thought of me of being an author.

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But what had happened was after I met

Patrick the first time in Detroit.

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The head of the fan club said, would you

mind writing an article for our magazine?

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It was quarterly magazine, you

know, because all the fans who live

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vicariously through you, 'cause you

got to meet him and talk to 'em.

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And, you know, I got photos

from the Detroit musical

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who, who sponsored the vet.

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And so that was really my

beginning because I ended up

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writing like 13 articles for them

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Katie: Oh,

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Sue: over like a seven year period.

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I mean, I got good feedback,

it made me feel good.

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And of course, what a better

subject to write about them.

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Patrick.

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Katie: Oh my gosh.

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And I'm so thankful that you did.

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We will get into your, your

books in a little bit 'cause

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obviously we wanna learn more.

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And thank you for those stories.

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I, I could not be more jealous I mean, I'm

a little kid when Dirty Dancing came out,

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so I saw it like on a, like VHS tape,

but it's it, boy, what a phenomenon.

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Right.

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And, and one thing I, you know, in doing

my, my podcast and a lot of other hosts

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of other shows that guest on my show

are men and just, they happen to be like

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teenagers or young boys at the time.

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And so for whatever reason it didn't.

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Take them or they maybe

didn't even watch it.

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'cause you know, clearly now there they

would be more secure in their masculinity.

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But I don't know, I, it still seems odd

to me that they wouldn't have given it

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a chance because beautiful women and

are also in it and the, it is sexy a f.

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So, yeah, if anybody out there, you

know, has not seen Dirty Dancing

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because you thought it was just like

a frilly, girly dance movie, it's not.

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It is hot and everybody in it is hot.

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So give it, give it a go.

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And then tons of other Patrick movies.

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So speaking of Sue, what is your

favorite Patrick Swayze movie?

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Sue: Oh wow.

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You know, I really have to say dirty

dancing, but I do wanna say my second

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favorite is three wishes, which probably

most people have never heard of.

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Katie: I covered it on the show.

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Sue: Okay.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Sue: I know a lot of people their favorite

might be Ghost and I like that, but

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it, it just didn't hit me the same way.

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And I do wanna say about dirty

dancing though, in response to

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some of what you were saying.

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My dad really liked the movie

and he wasn't even a movie guy,

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you know what I mean?

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All the stuff about the Catskills and

everything, it was just, and I, I was

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just so happy that I got to talk with

people who were involved with Dirty

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Dancing, you know, in terms of my books.

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But I would've to say

that that is my favorite.

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I don't, I don't know if I should

say this, I don't watch it as much

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as what I used to, but I really

racked up a lot of times watching it.

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And, you know, we have the I dunno

if you wanna call it Dirty Dancing.

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Two or a sequel supposedly

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Katie: sure.

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Havana Knights.

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Is

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Sue: No, that's a prequel,

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but there's a new one coming up.

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It's been in the works for quite

a while and now they're saying not

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this summer, but the summer of 2027.

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Because that's actually the 40th

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anniversary of Dirty Dancing.

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Katie: Oh, well.

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Hmm.

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I'm just very curious about that.

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So I'll, I'll be watching.

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Yeah, I think, I think Dirty

Dancing's probably my favorite.

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I also really love Roadhouse.

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Like I, that's the one that I think

gets guys jazzed about Patrick Swayze.

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But or just the movies.

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It's, it's not like a well-made movie,

but it's really quite good actually.

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Sue: I think it is too.

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I, I watched it again because they

had a roadhouse remake come out and I

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Katie: Oh yeah,

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Sue: I didn't enjoy it.

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Let's just put it that way,

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Katie: I, you know what, yeah, same.

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I covered that as a bonus episode

because the guests that I had on

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for the original Roadhouse, we

were like, this is really good.

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You know, sometimes you think back on

things and you're like, oh, it was a bad

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movie, but we just liked it and we're

like, this is actually really good.

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And then we covered the, the

remake and we did not care

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for it.

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Also,

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Sue: I, I also like point break

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quite a bit

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Katie: Yeah.

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Sue: and I was watching it just a

couple nights ago actually, so, and I

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got to interview some people from that.

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Two of the bank robbers.

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Katie: Oh.

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Sue: One was Patrick's little

brother, and then one of the

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other ones for this latest book.

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But I, I just, he, he just,

what, you know, the skydiving

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Patrick did in that movie.

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That's almost unheard of in Hollywood.

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He didn't use a stunt for that

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stuntman, excuse me, or stunt woman.

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Now the surfing he did, there

was a stunt man for that, for

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some of the surfing.

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I mean, he, he got fractured ribs and

stuff from the surfing and the skydiving.

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He really, he had never done that

before and his brother Don helped

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him out with that, along with

other people on the film, you know?

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Katie: Not only can he skydive,

but he can also fly a plane.

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Sue: Yeah.

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Katie: talked about that last

season which I have a question

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for you that I would like to pose.

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But also, so you said three wishes.

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Is that what you would consider

his most underrated role?

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Or is there another that you can think of?

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Sue: Wow, that's a really good question.

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Probably I was thinking of this

other movie he did, it's called

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Jump and when it came out he was,

you know, with the pancreatic

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cancer, but he did get the best

International Actor Award for that.

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It was

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a drama and it was historical and

I became, because of Patrick, I

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got to become friends with the film

writer and director of that movie and

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Katie: Nice.

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Sue: yeah, I mean, sort of.

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I know a lot of people had experiences

of making connections with a lot

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of people because of the club.

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I know a fan club sounds

so hokey, you know, crazy.

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I mean, but this was, you

know, I'm still in touch.

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He's been in my books,

Joshua's Sinclair for Jobs.

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So in a way he did get, you

know, recognized for that role.

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He really did a great job.

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It was based in pre Nazi Austria.

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It was a

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Katie: Oh,

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Sue: about Philippe Hallsman, who

eventually, I don't know how much I wanna

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give away, but he got charged with his

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father's murder.

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Then he ends up being like a important

photographer for Life Magazine.

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He had all these real life celebrities on

the covers and that, so, you know, it was,

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based on fact, and most people are not

seeing it because it's really hard to find

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in the us.

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it's on the European

DVD players and stuff.

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I never was in the theaters,

yeah, three wishes.

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Sorry to go off on a tangent there.

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Katie: no, no, that's okay.

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I mean that, listen, my, if

any people who listen to retro

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know that I'm a tangent queen.

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Sue: Oh,

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Katie: so speaking of I to kind of get in

the mood to talk with you about Patrick,

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I had never, so last night I started

watching the TV show that he did The Beast

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Sue: Oh yeah.

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Katie: What was it, 2008 maybe, or

I haven't finished it yet, but I

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watched, you know, the first few

episodes and that is quite good.

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And I have a feeling it would've

continued on and become, you know,

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well received had he not, you

know, gotten sick and passed away.

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: 00:23:44

Sue: I totally agree, but there was no

way they could make it without him, in my

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opinion.

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And they had, you know, they had

shot the pilot and then it was after

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that that he got the diagnosis.

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So he had to tell the people,

you know, affiliated with

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the show about the diagnosis.

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And I interviewed one of the writers and

creators of the show and you know, he was

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at that meeting where the diagnosis was

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told.

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And he really, I think Patrick

was really grateful that they

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basically took a chance on him.

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They couldn't get insurance on him.

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You know, if something happened

and he couldn't finish the series,

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they just took a chance on him.

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And then thankfully it all worked out.

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Katie: Yeah, so the, the plot just as

an overview, it's on, it's free on Tubi.

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So I urge everyone , to watch it.

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So he, it's set in

Chicago too, which I love.

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He plays kind of a mentor, FBI agent

to a younger agent, but there's a

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twist, so watch, watch that show.

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I do wanna get your take on this.

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So I had mentioned that my first

season was I dubbed Patrick and

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Kurt Russell, the Ultimate Everman.

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So I covered their movies from the

eighties and nineties, including Skate

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Town USA, which is actually 1979.

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But I was like, that's his

first, I ha I have to cover it.

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And oh my, I, I kind of called

it dirty dancing on skates.

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: 00:25:25

Oh.

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So, but, since I paired those together.

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I'm curious if you think Patrick

Swayze and Kurt Russell particularly

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at that time look alike.

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Sue: Yeah, I definitely think they do.

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: 00:25:40

And I was watching some t new TV

thing the other night and I thought,

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wow, Kurt Brosso stars in it.

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: 00:25:50

And he, he looks mighty fine.

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: 00:25:52

Katie: Oh, doesn't he?

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He and Patrick?

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Yeah.

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: 00:25:55

I mean, there's a number of reasons

I wanted to put them together, but

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I asked every guest that came on

the show that season, that question.

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And I think there were several

people kind of on my side,

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they're like, yes, of course.

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: 00:26:07

And some that were like, eh,

I don't know if I see it.

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So thank you.

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I'm glad that, that you see it.

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: 00:26:12

And I think the biggest travesty

here is that we didn't get a movie.

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A of them together at all.

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: 00:26:19

But they needed to play

brothers, in my opinion.

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In a

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Sue: Oh yeah, they could

have been in next of kin.

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: 00:26:25

Katie: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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: 00:26:28

Sue: I don't know.

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: 00:26:29

I didn't, it was okay movie,

but it wasn't up there on my

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: 00:26:33

top of my list.

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: 00:26:34

Katie: No, no.

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: 00:26:35

But you know, I, I'll still watch it.

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: 00:26:38

Patrick's in it.

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: 00:26:40

I, so last question before

we get into your books.

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: 00:26:44

If someone somehow missed the whole

Patrick Swayze era, which I don't

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: 00:26:50

know how that would be possible, I

mean, some of these, the youngins

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: 00:26:54

now, maybe, what is the one role that

you'd show them first so that they

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: 00:26:59

could understand why he mattered?

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: 00:27:03

Sue: Wow.

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: 00:27:05

I was debating between North and

South and Dirty Dancing and Ghost.

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: 00:27:11

I mean, that's a tough question, but

you know, the Dirty Dancing has the

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: 00:27:17

dancing, even though we had to tone

it down except for the last scene.

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: 00:27:21

Katie: Mm-hmm.

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: 00:27:22

Sue: It's not really a dance movie.

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: 00:27:24

I mean, dance is great horror of the

movie North and South shows him from a

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: 00:27:31

young man until, you know, throughout the

years, and he plays a Southern gentleman,

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: 00:27:37

which was really what he was in real

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: 00:27:39

life.

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: 00:27:41

And ghost, they say, you know, because

of his dance background, no one

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: 00:27:48

could really have done that as well

as Patrick, you know, and you know

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: 00:27:52

the story about how they didn't want

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: 00:27:54

him.

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: 00:27:55

Ooh, we're gonna hire

that guy from Roadhouse.

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: 00:27:58

Oh, and then he went in

there and did the audition.

447

: 00:28:02

He had a beg for an audition, basically,

and then he had everyone in tears

448

: 00:28:06

Katie: Of course

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: 00:28:07

Sue: the end of, you know, the audition.

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: 00:28:09

So he did like 33 cinema movies.

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: 00:28:13

So at least I narrowed it down to three.

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: 00:28:17

Katie: you did it that Yes.

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: 00:28:18

That, that's good.

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: 00:28:19

I think for a shorter attention span

audience, probably dirty dancing.

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: 00:28:24

But you, you now, I'm just thinking

back to season one, and I think I

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: 00:28:30

remember, I don't think anyone can

do a sex scene as well as Patrick.

457

: 00:28:37

He, I mean, you're just like, wow,

it's so sexy and sensual and it.

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: 00:28:46

And like genuine.

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: 00:28:47

He's a, I don't know.

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: 00:28:49

I don't think I can think of anyone.

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: 00:28:50

He's very good at that.

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: 00:28:52

Men would wanna be him and

women want to be with him.

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: 00:28:56

He's got that

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: 00:28:58

Sue: Absolutely.

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: 00:28:59

I totally agree.

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: 00:29:01

And he like for Roadhouse,

oh, what's her name?

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: 00:29:06

Kelly

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: 00:29:06

Katie: Kelly Lynch.

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: 00:29:07

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:29:07

Sue: Okay.

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: 00:29:08

Like they had some I don't know what

the word is, some great sexual scenes

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: 00:29:16

girls are against the wall sort of,

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: 00:29:18

Katie: Yeah.

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: 00:29:19

Sue: Apparently his,

his wife helped at that.

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: 00:29:22

And

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: 00:29:23

Katie: that would be, oh boy.

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: 00:29:24

Awkward.

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: 00:29:25

Yeah.

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: 00:29:27

Sue: and of course, you

know, ghosts and everything

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: 00:29:30

like that and, you know, he

would always talk about, you

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: 00:29:34

know, relationships and love.

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: 00:29:36

It's the connection between the two

hearts and the eyes and all that.

483

: 00:29:41

And, but I think he probably was

nervous doing all that, but he was

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: 00:29:47

always like, well, , face your fears.

485

: 00:29:50

Do what makes you scared, you know,

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: 00:29:53

Katie: That's

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: 00:29:53

a good

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: 00:29:53

Sue: we're only here for so long, do it

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: 00:29:57

Katie: Yeah.

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: 00:29:58

And boy did, I mean,

ever prescient for him.

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: 00:30:01

Which we will get into.

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: 00:30:03

I have some questions

for you about that later.

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: 00:30:05

But let's talk about your book.

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: 00:30:07

So audience and step in Sue if I get this

wrong, but the first book that you wrote

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: 00:30:14

is from 2010, the Fans Love Story, how The

Movie Dirty Dancing, captured the Hearts

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: 00:30:20

of Millions, followed up by a 2013 book.

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: 00:30:25

The fans love story encore,

how the movie Dirty Dancing

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: 00:30:29

captured the Hearts of Millions.

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: 00:30:31

And then your, your third book sounds

t's your most popular book in: 2017

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: 00:30:38

Patrick Swayze, the Dreamer, which I would

love to get into that a little bit more.

501

: 00:30:43

And then you, you focused a book

in: 2022

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: 00:30:51

Swayze, every Day A Chance to Dance.

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: 00:30:54

Love that title.

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: 00:30:56

And then your most recent book

from just last year,: 2025

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: 00:31:00

Patrick Swayze.

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: 00:31:01

Still inspiring.

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: 00:31:03

So when we were talking about setting

this up talking about the interview,

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: 00:31:09

I had inquired, why you might have

wanted to write another book about him.

509

: 00:31:14

And you said that you

thought there, there were.

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: 00:31:17

A lot of people who

really miss him greatly.

511

: 00:31:21

And you said yourself included.

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: 00:31:22

And I would like to say myself

included, I 100% concur.

513

: 00:31:27

And that there was just, there was

more story to tell and that you

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: 00:31:31

wanted to contribute to his legacy.

515

: 00:31:33

And you were just talking just

a little bit ago about his,

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: 00:31:37

like, the depth of love for him.

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: 00:31:40

And that love was something that

he, Patrick talked about a lot.

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: 00:31:46

And it was evident in the book

that that I read about him by him.

519

: 00:31:50

So, tell us a little bit more about that.

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: 00:31:54

Sue: You know, even when I heard

that first speech in Detroit,

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: 00:31:58

he gave to introduce that dance

company, he said, I wear my heart

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: 00:32:02

on my sleeve just like my dad did.

523

: 00:32:06

And yeah, the people, some of the

people I interviewed in this last book,

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: 00:32:14

they, they talked openly about love.

525

: 00:32:17

You know, we became, these are.

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: 00:32:20

It actually included the two bank robbers

from point break and because he just

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: 00:32:29

seemed like the Ty type of person that,

528

: 00:32:35

you know, he wasn't casual about a lot

of his relationships with people and

529

: 00:32:40

on the set, he really, everybody knows

he put in more than a hundred percent,

530

: 00:32:47

but he also wanted everybody to

succeed, whether it was on the TV

531

: 00:32:53

set or the movie set, whatever.

532

: 00:32:55

And he, they just, these people,

they talked about the depth of the

533

: 00:33:01

connection they had with him and the

relationship when the movie was over.

534

: 00:33:06

They were friends, you know,

and they, they were in touch.

535

: 00:33:10

And some of the people.

536

: 00:33:11

He tried to help them out with their

careers and stuff, you know, when

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: 00:33:15

they were at Sundance and he would

introduce them to people and, you

538

: 00:33:22

know, also the writer and director of

a Green Dragon in and powder Blue, two

539

: 00:33:29

movies, powder Blue was his last movie.

540

: 00:33:32

But Timothy Lynn Bowie you know, they,

he didn't know Patrick at first, you

541

: 00:33:38

know, and they became friends and

Timothy would hang out with Patrick

542

: 00:33:43

when Patrick was ill and was at you

know, like a get together party kind

543

: 00:33:48

of thing when Patrick was quite ill.

544

: 00:33:50

And you know, so he really I think

he had love for his family, love

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: 00:33:56

for the people he worked with.

546

: 00:33:59

And then, you know, there were several

friends he had from childhood that he just

547

: 00:34:06

was so extraordinary keeping up with them.

548

: 00:34:10

In particular.

549

: 00:34:10

One of them, he found out even though

he had been in touch with her for a

550

: 00:34:16

long time, that her mother had died.

551

: 00:34:20

And this was a, a woman who had

taken dance from Patrick's mother and

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: 00:34:26

knew Patrick and all this and that.

553

: 00:34:29

So he called her up, he was ill with

pancreatic cancer and he calls her

554

: 00:34:34

off, you know, to express condolences.

555

: 00:34:37

Let me know if there's anything you need.

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: 00:34:39

And she says, well, how are you?

557

: 00:34:41

I'm okay.

558

: 00:34:42

You know, and all this.

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: 00:34:43

And then she finds out later that

same day, he had just found out

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: 00:34:48

the cancer had spread to his liver.

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: 00:34:50

And so, that was.

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: 00:34:52

I think really remarkable.

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: 00:34:55

'cause he made it

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: 00:34:56

About her.

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: 00:34:58

and he, he probably knew

her mom a little too, you

566

: 00:35:01

know, but it was from I don't

remember how many years or anything,

567

: 00:35:05

but it wasn't like a current thing,

568

: 00:35:07

you know what I mean?

569

: 00:35:08

And that just to me, that speaks volumes.

570

: 00:35:12

And to me, it, it makes sense that he

would be friends with a lot of people

571

: 00:35:16

from the industry considering his fame

and everything, you know what I mean?

572

: 00:35:21

Which he had to learn how

to live with that lifestyle.

573

: 00:35:26

But he talked about, he liked

making movies about heart and that

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: 00:35:34

is not a theme at all the movies,

but it's a very frequent theme.

575

: 00:35:40

So,

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: 00:35:43

Katie: Yeah, he he very much seems, and

I'm excited to dive into your books,

577

: 00:35:48

Sue: oh,

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: 00:35:48

Katie: because I, I haven't yet.

579

: 00:35:50

But

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: 00:35:53

it, yeah it's kind of hard to explain,

but there is like a, something extra

581

: 00:35:57

there, like a genuineness like very

caring and he seemed so devoted to

582

: 00:36:05

his wife and and just excellence.

583

: 00:36:08

For the sake of excellence, you know,

not for some sort of fame or, or whatnot.

584

: 00:36:13

So, but what's interesting, Sue, is

that your journey as an author doesn't

585

: 00:36:18

actually start with him as a whole.

586

: 00:36:20

It starts with the immense cultural

phenomenon of dirty dancing

587

: 00:36:25

and the fans who kept it alive.

588

: 00:36:28

So, I, I'm curious, tell us more about

your experience with that and also what,

589

: 00:36:33

you know, I can only imagine that some

crazy things that fans did or said.

590

: 00:36:40

So is there anything that you can

think of that really stands out to

591

: 00:36:44

you as kind of crazier, bonkers or

a fan story that you came across?

592

: 00:36:49

Sue: Yeah, I mean, I, I never thought I

was gonna get into something like this,

593

: 00:36:56

you know, about a celebrity or actor.

594

: 00:36:59

It was like not planned.

595

: 00:37:01

It just happened and I got this connection

to him, and I think that's probably a lot

596

: 00:37:08

of people did, you know, it, it wasn't

just how he looked and that was the whole

597

: 00:37:13

thing he had talked about in the interview

with Barbara Walters way back then.

598

: 00:37:18

He always thought when he was

younger, he was just the body, the

599

: 00:37:22

machine, and would anybody like

me for the type of person I am?

600

: 00:37:26

You know what I mean?

601

: 00:37:27

And he was always searching for meaning.

602

: 00:37:30

He was very spiritual.

603

: 00:37:32

They liked that about him

for the movie, three Wishes.

604

: 00:37:36

So I guess early on I had that connection.

605

: 00:37:42

I don't know how else to explain it.

606

: 00:37:44

Oh, yeah, I thought he was hot.

607

: 00:37:47

Katie: Yeah.

608

: 00:37:48

Sue: And he, you know, he was

a sexiest man alive quote in

609

: 00:37:51

1991, and he kind of, I mean, he was

flattered, but he took it with a grain of

610

: 00:37:57

salt because, you know, I mean, and his,

his mom would say, with dirty dancing.

611

: 00:38:06

He doesn't really understand why

he is getting all this attention

612

: 00:38:09

and he's just a good old Texas boy.

613

: 00:38:13

That was earlier on, you

614

: 00:38:15

know?

615

: 00:38:16

And the more I learned about him and

then, the connection became bigger.

616

: 00:38:24

And fans have different degrees of

connections, you know what I mean?

617

: 00:38:30

But I

618

: 00:38:30

wasn't the only one who

had this connection.

619

: 00:38:33

And it just to, to watch 'em with that

pancreatic cancer, that all, I mean,

620

: 00:38:39

my grandmother died from that, so I

621

: 00:38:42

knew some about it.

622

: 00:38:44

And they hadn't really

made any advances in years.

623

: 00:38:47

And I'm not saying they have it now,

I'm talking about when he had it

624

: 00:38:50

Katie: Mm-hmm.

625

: 00:38:51

Sue: 2 0 0 9.

626

: 00:38:52

And just to watch him, how

he handled that was just.

627

: 00:38:58

You know, we did that second

interview with Barbara Walters

628

: 00:39:02

afterwards, he said, well, maybe,

maybe I shouldn't have done that.

629

: 00:39:05

You know, 'cause he had a habit of,

in the interviews a lot of times

630

: 00:39:09

just sort of talking, you know,

just spontaneous, genuine, like

631

: 00:39:15

what you're saying.

632

: 00:39:17

And, but I do know that was a, his fight

with the cancer was very inspiring.

633

: 00:39:25

And I had a very close friend who

had a different type of cancer, but

634

: 00:39:31

he was just getting in remission

when that interview came out.

635

: 00:39:35

And then the cancer came back a

couple years ago, 20 years later.

636

: 00:39:40

And he was still inspired by Patrick,

I'm gonna fight it just like Patrick did.

637

: 00:39:45

So, he did stuff, you know,

while he had the cancer, like.

638

: 00:39:51

Stand, stand Up To Cancer,

is that the name of it?

639

: 00:39:55

Anyway, they're opening speech

he gave for their first event.

640

: 00:40:00

They had the first benefit and other

stuff he did, like he mentioned the

641

: 00:40:04

Beast and I mean, he'd fly home to

California to get chemo on the weekends.

642

: 00:40:10

I mean, you know, near the end

he couldn't, of the TV show

643

: 00:40:15

he couldn't do the stunts as

644

: 00:40:17

much as he would've liked, which

was not his way, was to do as much

645

: 00:40:22

stunts as possible.

646

: 00:40:24

Katie: That had to be really hard.

647

: 00:40:25

Sue: Yeah.

648

: 00:40:25

But the, the second question

you had, I think was about fans.

649

: 00:40:32

Katie: Yeah.

650

: 00:40:32

Anything kind of crazy

stick stand out to you?

651

: 00:40:36

Sue: I do know the, one of the bank

robber guys told me that from point break

652

: 00:40:42

Katie: Mm-hmm.

653

: 00:40:43

Sue: told me like when they were

shooting that the, he could just not

654

: 00:40:48

escape the women, you know what I mean?

655

: 00:40:50

They're trying to shoot the scenes outside

and it was nearly impossible, you know?

656

: 00:40:56

And that's, what was that around

: 1991

657

: 00:41:01

And there was a story I can't

quite remember the details

658

: 00:41:06

about on the set of Roadhouse,

659

: 00:41:09

Katie: Similar,

660

: 00:41:10

Sue: something about

a, a boat or something.

661

: 00:41:12

I can't quite remember it.

662

: 00:41:14

Do

663

: 00:41:14

Katie: I don't, I can't recall the

details either, but it was a bunch of

664

: 00:41:17

like middle aged women that couldn't

contain themselves over Patrick.

665

: 00:41:20

So it was hard to shoot.

666

: 00:41:23

Sue: But I do remember, with the fan

club and his fans, he was, as long as

667

: 00:41:28

they were respectful, he was great.

668

: 00:41:32

He would sign autographs to everyone

Got one his movie, oh, what's the

669

: 00:41:38

name of it, escaping now, where

there are a bunch of nuns in it.

670

: 00:41:42

Not real nuns, but anyway, it was

filmed, I think it was filmed in Belgium.

671

: 00:41:48

I know it was filmed in Europe.

672

: 00:41:50

Katie: Okay.

673

: 00:41:50

Sue: He had around 20 people for

the fan club B extras as nuns.

674

: 00:41:55

I know a couple of them, you know,

675

: 00:41:57

I mean, who would do that?

676

: 00:41:58

I've never heard of anything like that.

677

: 00:42:00

Katie: That's solid Patrick.

678

: 00:42:02

Sue: And then when we were in Houston,

I was talking about before in: 2003

679

: 00:42:09

our fan club president.

680

: 00:42:12

Had a surprise for us.

681

: 00:42:14

She arranged for Patrick and his

mom, Patsy, to come on our tour bus.

682

: 00:42:19

We were, it was like the day

after the premier, one last dance.

683

: 00:42:23

Katie: Oh no.

684

: 00:42:24

Sue: we're like, what?

685

: 00:42:25

Why is the bus sitting here

in front of this hotel?

686

: 00:42:28

Why aren't we going, we're going

to see Patrick's spots in Houston.

687

: 00:42:32

You know, where he grew up,

the house where his school was,

688

: 00:42:35

where his mom's dance studio was.

689

: 00:42:37

So his mom comes on the bus first.

690

: 00:42:41

She goes Patrick's gonna be on here

in a minute, but if you could kindly

691

: 00:42:44

not take any more photos, his eyes are

really sensitive from the night before.

692

: 00:42:49

From the premiere we're, yeah.

693

: 00:42:51

And I'm sitting like in

the third row of the bus.

694

: 00:42:54

Katie: Oh

695

: 00:42:54

Sue: And so they talked

to us for almost an hour.

696

: 00:42:57

We could ask anything we wanted.

697

: 00:42:59

It was just so surreal.

698

: 00:43:02

And I don't know how many

actors or celebrities, whatever

699

: 00:43:06

you wanna say, would do that.

700

: 00:43:08

You know what I mean?

701

: 00:43:10

It was just.

702

: 00:43:11

I'll never forget it.

703

: 00:43:14

Katie: Again, you're just

making me super jealous, Sue

704

: 00:43:18

all these experiences with him.

705

: 00:43:20

That's, that's great.

706

: 00:43:21

Thank you for sharing that.

707

: 00:43:22

Sue: Well, thank you.

708

: 00:43:23

I, I have a video of

that from the Houston.

709

: 00:43:26

You know, I, I have a hard time,

you know, sometimes watching

710

: 00:43:32

his stuff, it's just too

711

: 00:43:35

too much.

712

: 00:43:35

Katie: Mm-hmm.

713

: 00:43:37

Sue: he was only 57 when he died

and his father died at the same age.

714

: 00:43:41

So it's kinda

715

: 00:43:42

Katie: Oh, wow.

716

: 00:43:47

Sue: But I consider myself very lucky.

717

: 00:43:50

I remember coming home from work, I was

working at a psych social worker at the

718

: 00:43:55

time, running to the TV to watch the

Beast every Monday night, and I remember

719

: 00:44:01

coming home, running up to the computer.

720

: 00:44:03

What's new with fan club?

721

: 00:44:04

It was just so much fun and getting

to meet all these people that I'm,

722

: 00:44:11

some of them I'm still friends with.

723

: 00:44:13

I mean, it just, from the Patrick

world is just really crazy.

724

: 00:44:19

Katie: That's awesome.

725

: 00:44:20

I'm, I mean, that is very telling

as well that there's like the

726

: 00:44:24

community that was built based around.

727

: 00:44:28

Around him.

728

: 00:44:28

And, that not just because,, he's a

good looking actor, but the experiences

729

: 00:44:34

that you guys were able to have with

him and, and who he was as a person.

730

: 00:44:38

Which leads me to my next question.

731

: 00:44:41

So you frame Patrick as the dreamer,

which feels very intentional.

732

: 00:44:47

Do you think that his drive came from

passion or, or maybe a little pressure

733

: 00:44:56

growing up with somebody like Patsy?

734

: 00:44:59

You know, what's his driving force?

735

: 00:45:01

Sue: You know, I, yeah, there

was pressure from Patsy, but.

736

: 00:45:07

Don't go beyond that.

737

: 00:45:08

I'm not even gonna get into some of the

subjects that have come up about that.

738

: 00:45:12

But like I said before, he was

always searching for meaning.

739

: 00:45:16

So he tried, he was into Buddhism.

740

: 00:45:21

I don't know.

741

: 00:45:21

He tried EST crystal's,

you know, various things.

742

: 00:45:25

I think he was raised as Catholic,

but anyway, I think it covers more.

743

: 00:45:31

I mean, I think his mom was, was

positive force and also a driving force

744

: 00:45:38

Katie: Sure.

745

: 00:45:39

Sue: Succeed.

746

: 00:45:40

But I somehow think it goes beyond that.

747

: 00:45:44

I just, that's just the hunch, you know,

the passion and the spirituality and.

748

: 00:45:53

All that stuff about, your dreams and

helping other people with their dreams.

749

: 00:45:58

I mean, it just all came together,

I think for him because, I mean,

750

: 00:46:04

look, he had four siblings.

751

: 00:46:06

There's only one left now.

752

: 00:46:08

And you know, you look at the

other siblings and how they,

753

: 00:46:13

they they were all very talented.

754

: 00:46:16

Let me say also, but obviously if

Patrick was the one who got, I don't

755

: 00:46:22

know, became quote the star quote,

756

: 00:46:24

Katie: Mm-hmm.

757

: 00:46:25

Sue: so there's gotta be more than

genetics or the mother, you know.

758

: 00:46:32

But I don't know.

759

: 00:46:33

That's a really interesting question.

760

: 00:46:35

A

761

: 00:46:35

Katie: Yeah.

762

: 00:46:35

No.

763

: 00:46:36

Well, so yeah, I mean a lot of, I

think kind of what makes him special

764

: 00:46:41

and that you've just given us a, a

number of examples of is that a lot of

765

: 00:46:46

stars really wanted to become famous,

766

: 00:46:52

Sue: Mm-hmm.

767

: 00:46:53

Katie: and he seemed like.

768

: 00:46:55

he wanted to be excellent.

769

: 00:46:58

And I, I think it maybe seems

like that is something, one of

770

: 00:47:03

many things that kind of separates

him from other icons of his time.

771

: 00:47:08

That particular time in movie history.

772

: 00:47:11

So he has this, again, like I think if

you only think of him as like the dancer,

773

: 00:47:20

you're missing a big component of Patrick.

774

: 00:47:22

So it's, so he has this perfect,

in my opinion, and I think this is

775

: 00:47:27

another, like what separates him.

776

: 00:47:30

He has this like perfect mix

of toughness and vulnerability.

777

: 00:47:37

And do you have a sense of whether

he purposefully cultivated that

778

: 00:47:43

or if that's just who he is?

779

: 00:47:47

Sue: Well, I think it's some of both.

780

: 00:47:49

You know, he was bullied a lot as a

kid for, being a dancer, taken violin

781

: 00:47:54

and, , he got beat up and so then his

parents got him into boxing and karate

782

: 00:48:02

and growing up in Houston in those days

it wasn't that popular for men to be in

783

: 00:48:10

the arts He talked about in some of his

interviews, like, you know, at 13 he

784

: 00:48:16

tried, well, you know, I'm gonna drop

the arts and just be cool and tough.

785

: 00:48:20

But he said, you know

what, it didn't work.

786

: 00:48:22

It, it didn't change anything.

787

: 00:48:24

They were still beating me up.

788

: 00:48:25

And I decided at that point in my

life, I'm gonna do what I wanna do.

789

: 00:48:31

I'm not gonna change for other people.

790

: 00:48:33

So that was a very early,

I mean age 13 or so

791

: 00:48:36

decision he made.

792

: 00:48:38

And I think he was super sensitive.

793

: 00:48:41

And he, you know, he used that, but he

didn't wanna get type passed into either

794

: 00:48:48

a romantic lead or an action hero lead.

795

: 00:48:52

Then if you look at his later films

you see there's such a diversity

796

: 00:48:57

and he is playing a drag queen.

797

: 00:48:59

Katie: Oh, I almost forgot.

798

: 00:49:00

He is so good in that movie.

799

: 00:49:03

Oh my God.

800

: 00:49:04

He is so good in that movie.

801

: 00:49:05

Sue: know, he talks about, I, I

was going over some stuff recently

802

: 00:49:09

'cause I have a project I'm working

on making a, some videos and stuff.

803

: 00:49:14

And I was just reading again that he

thought, you know, he'll go in there,

804

: 00:49:19

he'll play a woman and all that.

805

: 00:49:22

And then he got into the part and he is

like, no, it's much deeper than that.

806

: 00:49:26

You know, he got into the meeting

of, well, what was her name?

807

: 00:49:30

Vita Heim or something.

808

: 00:49:32

Katie: Yes.

809

: 00:49:34

And she was, she was

like a Southern bell too.

810

: 00:49:38

yeah.

811

: 00:49:39

Sue: Well, I love the part where he

punches the guy who's abusing the woman.

812

: 00:49:43

You know, I, I just love that.

813

: 00:49:45

So,

814

: 00:49:46

Katie: There were a lot of

good, that's a good movie.

815

: 00:49:48

Sue: at all, but I just think

you know, he, that was him.

816

: 00:49:52

I mean, that was his personality.

817

: 00:49:54

His dad was a cowboy.

818

: 00:49:57

Although worked as a chemical engineer.

819

: 00:50:01

And by the way, Patrick was no dummy, just

because he was good looking and whatever.

820

: 00:50:07

I mean, he, he, he was very smart.

821

: 00:50:11

And you know, I I, I'm

not saying he was perfect.

822

: 00:50:16

I wanna clarify that

'cause no one is perfect

823

: 00:50:19

and he would be the first one

to tell you he wasn't perfect.

824

: 00:50:22

But I think, you know, his kindness to

other people and his passion for the

825

: 00:50:29

arts, and I mean, after dirty dancing,

all these people signed up for dance

826

: 00:50:34

school and everything, especially the men.

827

: 00:50:37

It was okay for a lot of the

828

: 00:50:38

guys who became stars later.

829

: 00:50:42

What's his name?

830

: 00:50:43

I always get it wrong.

831

: 00:50:43

Was it

832

: 00:50:46

Tatum Channing or Channing Tatum.

833

: 00:50:48

Katie: Channing Tatum.

834

: 00:50:49

Yeah.

835

: 00:50:50

Sue: one that talked about that

openly and there were others.

836

: 00:50:55

I

837

: 00:50:55

mean, he just made it okay

for the guys to dance.

838

: 00:50:58

You can

839

: 00:50:59

be cool, macho and still

be a dancer, you know?

840

: 00:51:04

Katie: I mean, yeah, a lot of

athletes take some sort of dance

841

: 00:51:08

classes to, it's a skill that is

helpful in athletics as well, so.

842

: 00:51:14

Sue: Oh, I think he said

that was a, a base for him.

843

: 00:51:16

Knowing the dance, the discipline, just

how to move your body, you know, was

844

: 00:51:21

a base to make him help make him so

successful in the business, you know?

845

: 00:51:28

Katie: Mm-hmm.

846

: 00:51:29

Sue: And his, his mom's

drive for perfection.

847

: 00:51:36

That's a two edged sword.

848

: 00:51:38

I mean, that can, no one can be

a hundred percent all the time.

849

: 00:51:41

You, no one could be

850

: 00:51:42

perfect.

851

: 00:51:43

But on the other hand, it fueled him.

852

: 00:51:45

So that, that was a challenge.

853

: 00:51:48

that

854

: 00:51:48

doesn't mean, she was abusive to him,

855

: 00:51:52

which I don't know if you've heard

those allegations, but anyway.

856

: 00:51:58

Can't even,

857

: 00:51:59

one other question.

858

: 00:52:00

Katie: I do wanna explore Patsy a

little bit more because your book on

859

: 00:52:04

her it, is really fascinating because it

reframes Patrick's story a little bit.

860

: 00:52:13

You really see where some of his

discipline and intensity comes from.

861

: 00:52:18

So yeah, I, I don't know if you wanna

expand on any of that, also, I don't think

862

: 00:52:25

I would've survived her dance school.

863

: 00:52:28

So I don't know if any, you know,

864

: 00:52:31

Patrick certainly did.

865

: 00:52:33

Sue: lemme just first say, when I was

in Houston, I know I, going back there

866

: 00:52:37

again, 2 0 0 3 I met Patsy and she

talked to me one-on-one at that reception

867

: 00:52:44

Katie: Oh, nice.

868

: 00:52:44

Sue: premier of that

movie, and it was like.

869

: 00:52:48

She was so down to earth, so gracious.

870

: 00:52:51

Like, you know, I said something

like, well, you must get tired

871

: 00:52:54

of talking to all of us fans.

872

: 00:52:56

There's so many of us here.

873

: 00:52:58

Because I would say there was

about a thousand people at that

874

: 00:53:01

reception and you've got four movie

theaters worth of people there.

875

: 00:53:05

And to catch her and she talked

to me one-on-one, she was

876

: 00:53:08

just so, it wasn't that long.

877

: 00:53:10

It was like for three or four minutes.

878

: 00:53:12

And she goes, no, I'm just so

grateful for the fans and thanks for

879

: 00:53:17

coming and all this stuff, you know?

880

: 00:53:19

And I was just blown away.

881

: 00:53:21

And I was like, I go on the internet,

I can hardly find anything about her.

882

: 00:53:26

It didn't seem right.

883

: 00:53:28

She was an icon.

884

: 00:53:29

I mean, she trained all these people that

became stars and but also many people.

885

: 00:53:39

Who just took dance, but her

dance lessons were life lessons.

886

: 00:53:45

So I thought, I'm gonna write a book,

and then I had more people who wanted

887

: 00:53:50

to interview me than I, than I could.

888

: 00:53:53

You know, the books my longest book.

889

: 00:53:56

It's

890

: 00:53:56

probably the biggest project.

891

: 00:53:57

And I was just, you know, she passed

about, I think it was three years

892

: 00:54:02

after Patrick or something like

893

: 00:54:04

that.

894

: 00:54:04

I could be wrong.

895

: 00:54:06

It was in the same month and it

only maybe three days away from the

896

: 00:54:10

date in the, in September that he

897

: 00:54:13

Katie: Oh wow.

898

: 00:54:13

Okay.

899

: 00:54:14

Sue: I got to know one of the

insiders, she's in the book and, but

900

: 00:54:22

I interviewed a lot of her students.

901

: 00:54:24

Jacqueline Smith gave me an interview.

902

: 00:54:26

I was just blown

903

: 00:54:27

Katie: wow.

904

: 00:54:29

Sue: she started off a

ballet and then she became.

905

: 00:54:32

I mean, Patsy was like you

can't just be a dancer.

906

: 00:54:36

You have to be a singer and an actor also.

907

: 00:54:39

And then Jacqueline, you know, she

wasn't into musicals or anything like

908

: 00:54:43

that when she started taking there.

909

: 00:54:45

And then they called it the Triple threat.

910

: 00:54:49

And they eventually, you know,

of course she got to Charlie's

911

: 00:54:51

Angels.

912

: 00:54:52

But so, you know, but all these other

people ended up some that, a lot

913

: 00:54:58

that I interviewed ended up in the

profession of the performing arts.

914

: 00:55:02

And it was because of Patsy, you

know, well, of course they did

915

: 00:55:06

the work, but I mean, she was

the one who started it all, you

916

: 00:55:10

know, sparked it all.

917

: 00:55:11

Katie: Yeah.

918

: 00:55:11

Yeah.

919

: 00:55:12

Sue: it was just really, I mean, a

lot of, I don't know how to say this,

920

: 00:55:16

but I guess a lot of people really,

I mean, there's so much about Patrick

921

: 00:55:20

in that book and there, there has

to be, that was his mom, you know?

922

: 00:55:25

And people aren't.

923

: 00:55:27

They think, well, I don't care about his

mom, but see, just in general, not just

924

: 00:55:33

because of my book, but come on, anybody,

any family, you know, their kids are

925

: 00:55:38

gonna be, be influenced by their parents.

926

: 00:55:41

You know what I mean?

927

: 00:55:43

Somebody said, why don't you

write a book on his dad next?

928

: 00:55:46

Well,

929

: 00:55:47

he unfortunately passed away.

930

: 00:55:50

Like I said, he was only

57 so many years ago.

931

: 00:55:53

I don't know the exact date, you

932

: 00:55:55

Katie: mm-hmm.

933

: 00:55:56

Mm-hmm.

934

: 00:55:56

Sue: But I'm like, I don't think so.

935

: 00:56:00

I mean, passing had passed, but

it, it was still very recent.

936

: 00:56:05

I mean, I had some of the interviews

crying during the interview I'm

937

: 00:56:08

doing, you know, I started crying

myself here and there during

938

: 00:56:13

that book, and the last book too.

939

: 00:56:15

So, this swayze's really, I

think it had a big influence

940

: 00:56:22

in the performing arts world,

941

: 00:56:24

but also with people in general.

942

: 00:56:26

You know, the, the kindness and

the integrity and the caring.

943

: 00:56:31

It just I have somebody in the

last book who's very good friends

944

: 00:56:35

with Patsy Christopher Rearden.

945

: 00:56:38

He was a, well, he still lives

an actor and dancer for years.

946

: 00:56:43

Did a lot of Elvis

Presley films and stuff.

947

: 00:56:47

Katie: Oh,

948

: 00:56:47

Sue: was, he talked

quite a bit about Patsy.

949

: 00:56:51

I, I thought that was important 'cause

they were very good friends and I so

950

: 00:56:56

appreciated his interview too, that

he took the time with me, you know?

951

: 00:57:02

There are good people in the world

952

: 00:57:05

inspiring people, you know.

953

: 00:57:07

Katie: yeah.

954

: 00:57:08

Oh my gosh.

955

: 00:57:08

Listen, I'm such a cynical person,

not a big fan of humans, generally

956

: 00:57:13

speaking as listeners already know.

957

: 00:57:15

But I'm so glad that you brought

that up because despite that being

958

: 00:57:19

my, my general rule, I suppose there

are always exceptions to every rule.

959

: 00:57:25

There are genuinely

wonderful humans out there.

960

: 00:57:30

It, they seem to be in the

minority, unfortunately.

961

: 00:57:33

But it sounds like people were very

generous with their time with you,

962

: 00:57:37

Sue: Oh yeah.

963

: 00:57:38

Katie: getting, especially like

getting into your, your most recent.

964

: 00:57:43

It brings over 40 voices and

965

: 00:57:47

Sue: did.

966

: 00:57:48

They sent photos and everything too.

967

: 00:57:51

I mean, one guy from point break,

he was one of the stunt cameramen.

968

: 00:57:56

He sent

969

: 00:57:56

me 20 photos.

970

: 00:57:58

No charge,

971

: 00:57:59

no issue with that.

972

: 00:58:00

Yeah, I mean.

973

: 00:58:03

I have, you know, I have

photos in all my books.

974

: 00:58:05

The book with the most

photos is the Patsy book.

975

: 00:58:09

'cause you know, I ask people to

send the photos and, you know,

976

: 00:58:14

I've got licensed photos too,

977

: 00:58:16

of course.

978

: 00:58:16

But,

979

: 00:58:17

Katie: There were so many contributing

voices in your most recent book, but

980

: 00:58:20

I guess generally speaking, through,

all of your books and talking with

981

: 00:58:24

people close to Patrick and your

own personal experiences with him,

982

: 00:58:29

what did you learn about him that

surprised you after all these years

983

: 00:58:36

Sue: well,

984

: 00:58:37

Katie: we would be surprised

by, I guess as well,

985

: 00:58:40

Sue: I mean, I always knew he was well

liked you know, on his sets and in the

986

: 00:58:45

entertainment world and all this and that.

987

: 00:58:48

But I'm just gonna go back

to the depth of the love.

988

: 00:58:52

The people I interviewed for my

last book, just, it blew me away.

989

: 00:58:56

And you know, they still love him.

990

: 00:59:00

I mean, I knew Joshua Sinclair, I

knew he loved him, but you know,

991

: 00:59:05

like you said, I had over 40 people,

992

: 00:59:09

In the book.

993

: 00:59:10

After, , their sets wrapped and

stuff, they would do things.

994

: 00:59:14

And he had really a big

influence in the industry.

995

: 00:59:18

I always thought he was

sorta underrated as an actor

996

: 00:59:24

Katie: Yeah,

997

: 00:59:25

Sue: diverse roles.

998

: 00:59:27

And I think he was.

999

: 00:59:32

I don't know if he asked about the

last book or just in general what

: 1000

00:59:35,383 --> 00:59:36,223

Katie: In general, yeah.

: 1001

00:59:37,018 --> 00:59:37,408

Sue: Okay.

: 1002

00:59:37,408 --> 00:59:44,998

So, and I, I had heard him talk about

conservation before and he had two

: 1003

00:59:44,998 --> 00:59:49,558

ranches and especially in the ranch

in New Mexico, he was very conscious.

: 1004

00:59:49,558 --> 00:59:53,248

He was working with

the government on that.

: 1005

00:59:53,338 --> 00:59:59,758

And he even had talked at one point about

having a tv, a reality show, and he had

: 1006

00:59:59,758 --> 01:00:02,758

done a King Solomon's minds in Africa

: 1007

01:00:03,703 --> 01:00:04,478

Katie: Oh, that's right.

: 1008

01:00:04,978 --> 01:00:11,788

Sue: the TV thingy and he really,

I think when he got there and stuff

: 1009

01:00:11,788 --> 01:00:16,508

and was there for a while, the

conservation issues really hit him a lot.

: 1010

01:00:16,538 --> 01:00:19,688

I knew he was in obviously

promoting the arts.

: 1011

01:00:20,438 --> 01:00:26,778

And then he was a advocate for Arabian

horses, which I found out more about

: 1012

01:00:26,778 --> 01:00:28,248

that later.

: 1013

01:00:28,468 --> 01:00:34,018

He did stuff for charities and

advocacy that nobody really knew about.

: 1014

01:00:34,078 --> 01:00:36,658

'cause he didn't make a,

a big thing out of it, you

: 1015

01:00:36,658 --> 01:00:37,168

know what I mean?

: 1016

01:00:37,828 --> 01:00:42,808

I know once he did a, a thing for

women and cardiac health, he went

: 1017

01:00:42,808 --> 01:00:45,718

to, I think it was in New Jersey.

: 1018

01:00:46,168 --> 01:00:52,798

And, you know, he was our guest speaker

and I thought that was really cool.

: 1019

01:00:52,798 --> 01:00:56,158

And then there are stories about how he

would go, and I don't, I don't know if

: 1020

01:00:56,158 --> 01:00:59,068

they're true, but I think they're true.

: 1021

01:00:59,068 --> 01:01:04,558

He'd go in sometimes to children's

hospitals and, and visit kids and stuff.

: 1022

01:01:04,558 --> 01:01:07,228

And he was, he was, he was very.

: 1023

01:01:07,873 --> 01:01:08,443

Humble.

: 1024

01:01:08,953 --> 01:01:12,493

And he also though, had

a great sense of humor.

: 1025

01:01:13,963 --> 01:01:19,813

I was watching this interview he did

with Conan O'Brien, and they're talking

: 1026

01:01:19,813 --> 01:01:23,653

about, you know, how they're making this

sequel, the Dirty Dancing, and there's

: 1027

01:01:23,683 --> 01:01:28,813

this rumor this other guy's gonna play

the role and what does he think about it?

: 1028

01:01:28,813 --> 01:01:31,573

And it was, it was really funny.

: 1029

01:01:32,483 --> 01:01:38,933

But he, so he had a serious side,

the funny side, the romantic side.

: 1030

01:01:38,933 --> 01:01:40,013

I mean, you know,

: 1031

01:01:40,853 --> 01:01:42,263

Katie: Again, he could do it all.

: 1032

01:01:43,973 --> 01:01:48,623

Sue: and of course, you know, he was

funny, like he wrote the Introduction

: 1033

01:01:48,653 --> 01:01:53,183

for People Magazine for, they had a

special issue about the Sexiest men alive.

: 1034

01:01:53,573 --> 01:01:54,623

He wrote the introduction.

: 1035

01:01:54,623 --> 01:01:55,463

I'm like, he did.

: 1036

01:01:56,123 --> 01:02:01,063

And he would talk about how, you

know, well maybe I appealed to

: 1037

01:02:01,063 --> 01:02:02,588

some women, but I don't appeal to.

: 1038

01:02:03,703 --> 01:02:07,513

To every woman and you know

Sean Connery, he's really the

: 1039

01:02:07,598 --> 01:02:09,118

sassiest man alive, not me.

: 1040

01:02:10,423 --> 01:02:12,283

Katie: Huh I think you have it in reverse.

: 1041

01:02:12,283 --> 01:02:16,993

I think Sean Connery's some people's

jam, but Patrick is like most

: 1042

01:02:16,993 --> 01:02:18,643

people's jam, like he's just so.

: 1043

01:02:20,593 --> 01:02:26,293

Just purely on, looks I say this about

very few actors, or not necessarily

: 1044

01:02:26,293 --> 01:02:28,303

just actors, but famous people.

: 1045

01:02:28,413 --> 01:02:32,733

'Cause I'm sure there's really gorgeous

people that I don't know, but he's

: 1046

01:02:32,733 --> 01:02:38,703

somebody, one of like very few men that

I would put as an example of what the

: 1047

01:02:38,703 --> 01:02:42,213

human man should look like to aliens.

: 1048

01:02:42,213 --> 01:02:47,043

Here's a perfect specimen that you

could study of, of a human man.

: 1049

01:02:47,473 --> 01:02:53,233

But yeah, I, wanna circle back to some of

the conservation and charity work because

: 1050

01:02:53,233 --> 01:02:57,943

I think that was something I gained so

much more respect for him because that's

: 1051

01:02:58,693 --> 01:03:02,983

something that I really care deeply

about the environment and animals.

: 1052

01:03:03,353 --> 01:03:06,203

And it, it shown through how much.

: 1053

01:03:06,593 --> 01:03:09,893

He loved animals, the, just the

way that he talked about his dogs,

: 1054

01:03:09,893 --> 01:03:12,083

and yes, of course the horses.

: 1055

01:03:12,193 --> 01:03:16,753

And of course you can't go

to Africa without being just

: 1056

01:03:16,753 --> 01:03:20,263

mesmerized by the beauty.

: 1057

01:03:20,263 --> 01:03:23,113

I mean, it, it's, it's like heaven

: 1058

01:03:23,243 --> 01:03:23,968

Sue: Have you been there?

: 1059

01:03:24,403 --> 01:03:26,193

Katie: yes, I I'm, yeah, and I'm

: 1060

01:03:26,193 --> 01:03:29,403

gonna go, I don't know where

he went, but I was in Tanzania

: 1061

01:03:30,523 --> 01:03:31,483

and in a little bit of Kenya.

: 1062

01:03:31,483 --> 01:03:36,553

But I mean, I feel like

I'm being called home it.

: 1063

01:03:36,973 --> 01:03:43,253

And so anyway, so I'm feel a little

bit of closeness and, now he's

: 1064

01:03:43,253 --> 01:03:46,763

like on a higher pedestal for me,

even though he would not want, he

: 1065

01:03:46,763 --> 01:03:48,383

wouldn't wanna be on a pedestal, but

: 1066

01:03:48,773 --> 01:03:53,483

I'm like, God, you're just such

a kind, kindhearted good human.

: 1067

01:03:54,743 --> 01:03:58,943

It also happens to be gorgeous and

also happens to be so talented.

: 1068

01:03:58,943 --> 01:04:02,483

Like how is that even, and I

was about to say that's unfair,

: 1069

01:04:02,603 --> 01:04:06,023

but he did pass away early, you

: 1070

01:04:06,153 --> 01:04:08,138

Sue: And he had his struggles, you know,

: 1071

01:04:08,303 --> 01:04:08,753

Katie: Yeah

: 1072

01:04:09,348 --> 01:04:10,018

Sue: alcoholism.

: 1073

01:04:10,818 --> 01:04:14,148

Katie: he's not afraid to, , show

his warts, so to speak.

: 1074

01:04:14,674 --> 01:04:20,184

Given all of your interviews and

connections within the fan group and just

: 1075

01:04:20,184 --> 01:04:27,904

your love for Patrick , how do you I guess

is there some level of protective nature

: 1076

01:04:27,904 --> 01:04:30,004

that you have about telling his story?

: 1077

01:04:30,004 --> 01:04:32,014

But I, I imagine that.

: 1078

01:04:32,809 --> 01:04:39,109

And his legacy, but it seems to me like

you're also very careful , to be truthful.

: 1079

01:04:39,784 --> 01:04:39,964

Sue: Oh

: 1080

01:04:39,964 --> 01:04:40,204

yeah.

: 1081

01:04:40,279 --> 01:04:41,809

Katie: how do you balance those things?

: 1082

01:04:42,094 --> 01:04:42,604

Sue: Yeah.

: 1083

01:04:42,604 --> 01:04:43,384

I mean

: 1084

01:04:44,959 --> 01:04:44,989

Katie: I

: 1085

01:04:45,444 --> 01:04:49,034

Sue: there's so much things out

there on the internet and gossip and.

: 1086

01:04:50,024 --> 01:04:56,264

I just try to put forth things that,

I don't know how to explain this,

: 1087

01:04:56,264 --> 01:04:59,894

things that Patrick would be okay with.

: 1088

01:05:00,044 --> 01:05:02,024

I mean, he never saw any of my books.

: 1089

01:05:02,024 --> 01:05:06,684

He was very ill when I, my first

book was almost ready to come out.

: 1090

01:05:06,684 --> 01:05:12,274

I had a contact with one of

his publicists, but I just feel

: 1091

01:05:12,274 --> 01:05:16,804

like, like he didn't wanna be the

poster boy for cancer, you know?

: 1092

01:05:17,494 --> 01:05:22,594

And, but I, but I tried to, in

the books, you can't, I didn't

: 1093

01:05:22,594 --> 01:05:23,704

really wanna leave it out.

: 1094

01:05:24,004 --> 01:05:25,659

Well, a lot of people brought it up.

: 1095

01:05:25,684 --> 01:05:26,584

I didn't ask them.

: 1096

01:05:26,584 --> 01:05:30,394

They just brought it up, you know, but

you don't wanna dwell on that either.

: 1097

01:05:30,394 --> 01:05:30,814

You wanna

: 1098

01:05:30,814 --> 01:05:36,244

dwell on the, the positives, of course,

how he fought the cancer and all that was,

: 1099

01:05:37,413 --> 01:05:39,904

I think, inspirational to a lot of people.

: 1100

01:05:40,384 --> 01:05:42,974

But I don't wanna get into salacious.

: 1101

01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:47,779

Gossip or, you know, things that were

: 1102

01:05:49,849 --> 01:05:52,669

very personal and who knows

what the truth really was.

: 1103

01:05:52,788 --> 01:05:53,179

You know,

: 1104

01:05:53,929 --> 01:05:57,589

I don't, and I, I just get

really mad when I see stuff.

: 1105

01:05:58,069 --> 01:06:03,109

I'm on Facebook a lot, and when

I see this stuff about, you know,

: 1106

01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:06,469

you really can't, you have to

take stuff with a grain of salt.

: 1107

01:06:06,919 --> 01:06:09,169

And he is not here to talk about himself.

: 1108

01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:11,179

Patsy's not here to talk about herself.

: 1109

01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:17,749

And I, I try to focus more on

the professional stuff he did of

: 1110

01:06:17,749 --> 01:06:21,079

course, how he was as a person, but

that shines through and all that.

: 1111

01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:23,839

So I really try to honor him.

: 1112

01:06:24,949 --> 01:06:30,309

But like I said, he wasn't perfect,

but who is, so I just try to do

: 1113

01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:33,009

a balance and yeah, I do try to.

: 1114

01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:37,749

Protect some things, and once in a while

on Facebook, I'll write some comment.

: 1115

01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:44,038

They're not directed to me, but

I've gotten fans mad at me and

: 1116

01:06:44,099 --> 01:06:46,529

I've, as an author, been threatened.

: 1117

01:06:46,769 --> 01:06:50,999

Not, I don't think it was from Patrick's

fans, but I've had Patrick's fans,

: 1118

01:06:50,999 --> 01:06:52,739

like, who does she think she is?

: 1119

01:06:52,819 --> 01:06:57,479

Or they write this nasty

review on Amazon or good reads.

: 1120

01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:00,549

It's like, okay, you

can have your opinion.

: 1121

01:07:00,939 --> 01:07:03,249

I never claimed I was

best friends with Patrick.

: 1122

01:07:03,279 --> 01:07:05,919

I was a fan turned author,

: 1123

01:07:06,154 --> 01:07:06,574

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1124

01:07:06,819 --> 01:07:09,279

Sue: mostly from inspiration from him.

: 1125

01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:14,849

So I try to take the positives because,

the world, the way it is now, at least

: 1126

01:07:14,849 --> 01:07:18,499

to me, it just can be a harsh place.

: 1127

01:07:18,529 --> 01:07:18,919

And I

: 1128

01:07:18,919 --> 01:07:23,959

think when there's positives

to highlight, it's important.

: 1129

01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:28,669

And like I said before, I think he

was really underrated as a actor

: 1130

01:07:29,299 --> 01:07:31,038

and I think it bothered him.

: 1131

01:07:31,279 --> 01:07:32,629

He didn't tell me that.

: 1132

01:07:32,779 --> 01:07:37,099

I mean, we didn't talk about that

the few times I talked to him.

: 1133

01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:43,429

But I have experiences from being in the

club so long, meeting him four times.

: 1134

01:07:43,429 --> 01:07:45,349

I even called in on a talk show.

: 1135

01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:50,509

I got picked the Donnie

Deutch show years ago.

: 1136

01:07:50,569 --> 01:07:52,909

I'm sitting in my bedroom

waiting for my turn.

: 1137

01:07:52,939 --> 01:07:57,799

I was so nervous and I really

messed it up in the beginning.

: 1138

01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:59,089

And it was a surprise.

: 1139

01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:02,449

Patrick didn't know there were

three fans, you know, they were

: 1140

01:08:03,019 --> 01:08:04,399

having calling questions.

: 1141

01:08:04,399 --> 01:08:06,379

I was, sounded like the biggest dork.

: 1142

01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:10,099

That I got myself to, I

couldn't talk at first.

: 1143

01:08:10,589 --> 01:08:11,639

Katie: That's how I would be too.

: 1144

01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:12,059

Yeah.

: 1145

01:08:12,509 --> 01:08:15,538

Sue: really, I, I, but

then I, I got it together.

: 1146

01:08:17,788 --> 01:08:19,738

Katie: So were you able

to ask questions in that?

: 1147

01:08:19,769 --> 01:08:20,189

Sue: Yeah.

: 1148

01:08:20,189 --> 01:08:21,059

And I asked him?

: 1149

01:08:21,059 --> 01:08:22,828

about dreams, you see?

: 1150

01:08:23,549 --> 01:08:28,799

And not that I, you know, it

wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna ask him

: 1151

01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:30,179

this 'cause I'm writing a book on

: 1152

01:08:30,179 --> 01:08:30,419

it.

: 1153

01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,549

It was just one of the questions I had.

: 1154

01:08:33,179 --> 01:08:38,669

And he, he really thought about

it and gave great answer, you

: 1155

01:08:38,899 --> 01:08:39,674

Katie: Of course he did.

: 1156

01:08:39,899 --> 01:08:44,453

Sue: but I, at least I was able to

get out of being a dork, you know?

: 1157

01:08:47,184 --> 01:08:51,533

Katie: I kind of forget sometimes just

how young he was when he passed away.

: 1158

01:08:51,714 --> 01:08:53,514

57.

: 1159

01:08:54,504 --> 01:08:55,493

Oh God.

: 1160

01:08:55,493 --> 01:09:00,474

What we, we could have had, you know,

so it just makes me a little sad or,

: 1161

01:09:00,504 --> 01:09:03,323

or wonder what we could have gotten.

: 1162

01:09:03,323 --> 01:09:08,544

So what do you think 73-year-old

Patrick Swayze would be doing today?

: 1163

01:09:09,654 --> 01:09:10,404

Sue: Oh my.

: 1164

01:09:10,404 --> 01:09:16,764

I think he'd still be in movies,

whether the star or not, some of both.

: 1165

01:09:17,283 --> 01:09:20,823

I think is, he would've been

focused on his music more.

: 1166

01:09:21,334 --> 01:09:22,113

Katie: Hmm.

: 1167

01:09:24,814 --> 01:09:28,924

Sue: I think, I mean, he gave so

many interviews, which is really

: 1168

01:09:28,924 --> 01:09:30,243

good for me in writing books.

: 1169

01:09:30,243 --> 01:09:30,514

Right.

: 1170

01:09:30,514 --> 01:09:34,804

But then I got get permission to use

quotes, you know, from the media.

: 1171

01:09:34,804 --> 01:09:40,474

But anyway, I think he'd be he wouldn't

be like totally involved in politics,

: 1172

01:09:40,474 --> 01:09:46,203

. But I think he would be, have some

degree of advocacy for a lot of things.

: 1173

01:09:46,203 --> 01:09:47,974

And I think the conservation, I mean,

: 1174

01:09:47,974 --> 01:09:48,524

he had a.

: 1175

01:09:49,054 --> 01:09:53,734

20 year plan for the, his

forestry at the New Mexico Ranch.

: 1176

01:09:54,274 --> 01:09:56,704

And he was making, he

was ahead of his plan.

: 1177

01:09:56,704 --> 01:09:57,844

He was making good progress.

: 1178

01:09:57,844 --> 01:10:01,564

I think he would've been a

lot focused on that, you know,

: 1179

01:10:01,744 --> 01:10:02,164

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1180

01:10:02,224 --> 01:10:06,693

Sue: and just enjoying

his family and his ranches

: 1181

01:10:07,264 --> 01:10:09,244

and his Arabians and other

: 1182

01:10:09,244 --> 01:10:10,054

animals.

: 1183

01:10:10,644 --> 01:10:11,074

Katie: Yeah.

: 1184

01:10:11,193 --> 01:10:11,974

I love that.

: 1185

01:10:12,644 --> 01:10:17,414

So could not be more jealous

that you met him several times.

: 1186

01:10:17,414 --> 01:10:19,874

Got to talk with him,

got to ask him questions.

: 1187

01:10:20,264 --> 01:10:22,004

But is there a question?

: 1188

01:10:24,014 --> 01:10:27,374

Is there something that you

wish you could ask him now?

: 1189

01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:27,854

Sue: boy.

: 1190

01:10:30,144 --> 01:10:30,849

Let me think about this.

: 1191

01:10:32,443 --> 01:10:37,724

I think I would ask him something

about, what are your dreams now?

: 1192

01:10:38,084 --> 01:10:38,864

Katie: Hmm

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Sue: talked about how dreams

change, you can have new dreams.

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And I would ask has your

philosophy of life changed

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Katie: mm mm-hmm.

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Sue: how you need things?

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How you live your life?

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Has, has that changed or

is it basically the same?

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Katie: Yeah.

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That's good.

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That's good.

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Now tell us if we went and bought one

or all of your books today, me and

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my listeners, what do you hope that

we take away from reading the books?

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Sue: I would hope that people could

see, like the dance and performing

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01:11:21,255 --> 01:11:23,925

arts are really so important.

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And Patrick always felt like they

could, they help bring people together.

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That's number one.

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01:11:30,045 --> 01:11:32,835

And number two, that kindness

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matters, even if you're just one person

can make a difference in the world.

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And also that Patrick was a good guy.

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01:11:42,875 --> 01:11:47,195

He was an excellent

performer, but he was also.

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A man of character and spirituality.

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Katie: I love that.

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Yeah.

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There's so much behind the man.

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Right.

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Well, you know, before

we close, two things.

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One, is there anything that we haven't

touched upon that you would like to?

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And two, what's next for you?

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01:12:09,219 --> 01:12:13,719

Is there any other iconic person

you know, that you plan to write

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about or any more Patrick content?

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Sue: First of all, to

the first question I do

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A yearly donation to the Stanford Cancer

Center because his wife set up a fund.

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And his honor for research for

pancreatic cancer diagnostic

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and, and treatment advances.

: 1226

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So part of the proceeds, I,

I'll say the first three books

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and what am I gonna do next?

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I'm not sure.

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01:12:47,114 --> 01:12:51,614

I, I, so that they keep telling me,

aren't you running outta stuff about

: 1230

01:12:51,614 --> 01:12:54,764

Patrick write about his father?

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01:12:55,184 --> 01:13:01,514

And so I am a nonfiction writer for

sure, and I thought about some things,

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but nothing has really clicked with

me about same passion as Patrick.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Sue: You know what I mean?

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01:13:08,624 --> 01:13:13,943

So, I do have a website

it's like dirty dancing.com

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and it has a bunch of stuff.

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I try to put up a lot of the

interviews I've done and.

: 1238

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Photos and updates about

things about Patrick.

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01:13:24,894 --> 01:13:29,134

It's got reviews of the

books stuff like that.

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01:13:29,134 --> 01:13:29,554

So

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01:13:30,064 --> 01:13:31,589

I don't know what, what's next for me?

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01:13:32,193 --> 01:13:32,914

Katie: and that's okay.

: 1243

01:13:32,914 --> 01:13:33,574

That's okay.

: 1244

01:13:33,574 --> 01:13:38,914

But to stay in touch with Sue, I

will have her website linked in the

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show notes for you to all check out.

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01:13:41,689 --> 01:13:42,119

Sue: Thank you.

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01:13:43,084 --> 01:13:44,794

Katie: yes, of course.

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And I think for me, what really

stands out from everything that

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you've done is that you didn't just

document Patrick Swayze's career.

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You helped capture.

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The feeling that people still have

about him, which honestly is probably

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the bigger legacy, like the lasting

that feeling like we all want more.

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01:14:05,539 --> 01:14:07,939

We, we all, Patrick is special.

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01:14:08,509 --> 01:14:12,619

And so Sue, I cannot thank you

enough for writing these books.

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I'm excited to dive in and sharing

your insights with Retro Made.

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And should we check out your website

or is there anywhere you wanna

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direct people to buy your books

or follow what you're up to next?

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Sue: Thank you.

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01:14:27,907 --> 01:14:33,507

I, I would say anyone wants to check

out my books, just buy whatever

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bookseller you like to buy from

because it's all over the place.

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Oh, and I forgot, I almost forgot all

the books are paybacks and eBooks, but

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this last book is also an audio book

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and it's on Amazon Audible.

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01:14:47,497 --> 01:14:52,057

I'm gonna be expanding that as soon as

I can in the next coming months, if I

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look on Amazon or review would be great.

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01:14:54,937 --> 01:14:55,957

I could put that in there.

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01:14:56,327 --> 01:15:00,257

My website, you could

still contact me directly.

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01:15:00,257 --> 01:15:03,677

Also, some people want autograph

copies of books, and I have a

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contact form on the website on Facebook.

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01:15:07,827 --> 01:15:10,017

You probably, you can

contact me there too.

: 1271

01:15:10,017 --> 01:15:11,307

I'm really big on Facebook.

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And it's really hard to ship

outside of the United States.

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But if you buy a book and you're not

from the United States and you want

: 1274

01:15:20,777 --> 01:15:27,767

my autograph, what I have done is I

will take a title page from one of

: 1275

01:15:27,767 --> 01:15:32,877

the books, they're all paperback and

sign it and mail it to you because

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the shipping costs are, it could be

like 50, $55 to get a book to Europe.

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So

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Katie: Whoa.

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01:15:39,567 --> 01:15:41,127

Sue: just not worth it for

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01:15:41,157 --> 01:15:41,817

Katie: Yeah.

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And yeah.

: 1282

01:15:42,747 --> 01:15:43,347

Sue: You know what I mean?

: 1283

01:15:43,347 --> 01:15:43,497

I

: 1284

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sent a couple books out for people who are

big contributors or helpers with the book,

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and that's how I know what the prices are.

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So I would thank you in advance for

any anybody interested in the books.

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I really feel like my

last book is my best book.

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01:16:00,637 --> 01:16:04,327

But as you mentioned earlier that

Patrick Swayze, the Dreamer, which is

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from: 2017

: 1290

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So there

: 1291

01:16:09,632 --> 01:16:14,132

Katie: So is this most, yes, I actually,

that was something I intended to ask you.

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01:16:14,652 --> 01:16:19,092

So is it safe to say that your

most recent book is your favorite?

: 1293

01:16:19,377 --> 01:16:19,827

Sue: Yes.

: 1294

01:16:19,872 --> 01:16:19,902

Katie: Okay.

: 1295

01:16:21,237 --> 01:16:24,257

Sue: It's, it is just the

depth of emotion and the.

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01:16:25,172 --> 01:16:28,172

The quality of these interviews.

: 1297

01:16:28,172 --> 01:16:31,652

I mean, you do have to like a book

that, that is mostly interviews for

: 1298

01:16:31,652 --> 01:16:33,932

this last one and the Patsy book.

: 1299

01:16:34,202 --> 01:16:37,322

I'll say that some people

like it and some people don't.

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01:16:37,812 --> 01:16:40,782

Don't judge the book just

on the introduction, please.

: 1301

01:16:41,252 --> 01:16:45,692

And there's some cool photos that

some of the people in the book

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sent me and, and I'm just really

grateful to any of the people who

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01:16:50,552 --> 01:16:52,712

ever participated in any of my books.

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01:16:54,432 --> 01:16:56,897

Katie: Well, and to reiterate,

I'll also list out all your

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books in the show notes as well.

: 1306

01:16:58,037 --> 01:17:02,177

But to reiterate, you guys,

Patrick Swayze, still inspiring,

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is her newest book from: 2025

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So check it out and with that,

until next time, be kind, rewind.

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