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Episode 19012th April 2024 • CarbonSessions • The Carbon Almanac Podcast Network
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Episode Summary: This is a rebroadcast from another podcast, 'Alpaca Tribe', in which Steve Heatherington discusses CHANGE

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'Welcome to the podcast for alpaca people!

In this episode, I explore change, consider how we approach it and the difference between things we have no control over and things we can affect.

World scale changes will affect us, maybe not today or even tomorrow, but soon. While we can’t completely control much of anything, we can make an impact through what we do. This includes the climate.

As always, I encourage you to go spend some time with your alpacas and enjoy the moment.

Let me know your thoughts.'

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From a beautiful valley in Wales, UK, Steve is a Podcast Coach, Producer and Alpaca Shepherd. Steve is fascinated by the ideas of regeneration beyond sustainability and is still a biologist at heart.

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The CarbonSessions Podcast is produced and edited by Leekei Tang, Steve Heatherington and Rob Slater.

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Steve is also an all

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Hence his podcasts, all pocket tribe.

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The episode we have selected

is change is here to stay.

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And this episode, Steve

explores challenge.

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How we approach change.

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And the difference between

things we have no control over.

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And the things we can affect.

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Even though it was

initially released in:

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And didn't directly address

the topic of climate change.

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You'll find the content

is still relevant today.

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Because in our world.

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Aha.

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the only constant is change.

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This is the Alpaca Podcast

for all things alpaca.

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If you're an owner, a soon to

be owner, a want to be owner, or

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are just alpaca mad or love the

fleece, welcome to the alpaca tribe.

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I'm Steve Hetherington.

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Hi, Steve here and welcome to

the podcast for alpaca people.

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Good to see you.

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So change is here to stay.

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Thanks In fact, change

is the only constant.

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How many times have you heard

that or said that yourself?

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It's, it's one of my

little broken records.

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Uh, I was thinking about that this

morning and realizing I'm old enough to

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remember vinyl the first time around.

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And when you had a broken

record, it was stuck.

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It was damaged in some way and the

needle would go so far that it would

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stick and it would repeat the same

thing again and again and again.

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That's what a broken record is.

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Hmm.

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It doesn't work in digital, does it?

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Struge, how the world has changed.

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Partly this is brought about

by thoughts of the iPod.

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Apple's iPod is being retired.

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It's not going to be there later.

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It's still around at the moment,

but it's going to be disappearing.

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And you're listening to a podcast

because there was an iPod.

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They're all linked in together.

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It's a long story.

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Maybe share the link to where that story

is told about how podcasts got their name.

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And today I want to talk to you a bit

about change and things staying the same.

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So Cool.

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We need to learn how to be flexible,

how to pivot and adjust and do all those

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kind of trendy things that we talk about.

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So I've decided that I want all the

good things to stay the same, and

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I want all the bad things to change

and go away or be fixed or something.

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And of course, it's not like that.

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And with our alpacas, very much so, there

are things that we simply can't control.

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But there are many things

which we can influence.

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We can make a difference.

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We can adjust.

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But when you have a young creer, a

newborn, but in those first few weeks, the

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first month or two, they are just amazing.

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Amazing creatures anyway, but amazing.

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A crea is just such a

Ah, it does something.

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It touches you somewhere deep.

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At least it does for me.

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And I'd like them to

stay the same, please.

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I'd like them to stay

as crea, but they don't.

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In fact, they change so quickly.

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Have you noticed that?

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They change so, so quickly.

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Like children and weeds.

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They grow so quickly.

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Hmm.

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So, they can't stay.

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And actually, it wouldn't be

right for them to stay like that.

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Change can be good, but we do

tend to want to hold on to things

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and to keep things the same.

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And yet, change is part of

what we live with all the time.

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And we change individually.

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You, that's you, that's you, listener.

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I'm talking to you.

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And partly this is getting reflected back

from my, I was contacted by someone who

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wanted to raise the question of alpacas

growing old, but also us growing old.

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Sorry, I'm not old.

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I'm just older.

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And it's really important to think about

those things and to recognize that I

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say, I'm sorry, I don't want to grow old.

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I'd say you haven't got a choice.

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Uh, so with the alpacas, you

can't stop them from growing old.

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And so tomorrow is probably, Pretty

much going to be similar ish, mostly,

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unless there's a major change.

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Most of it's going to be similar and

the same as today or about the day

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after or next week or next month or

certainly next year, things will change.

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Things will have to change.

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And there's so much going on at the

moment, and there's the price of

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fuel, there's the price of gas and

electricity, and ah, and oh, yeah, we've

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got the war in Ukraine, and the silos

full of grain that they can't get out,

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and that's going to become a problem.

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Knock on effect, knock on effect.

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It's going to spread and it's going to

become an issue for the price of feed.

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What about how much hard food, the

pellets, we, different kinds that we use.

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A lot of that's wheat based.

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It's going to, prices are going to go up.

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How do we change that?

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We stop using it.

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Okay, so what are we going to use instead?

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Do we need to be using it?

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If we don't need to be using

it, let's just not use it.

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So, at times of year, you know, When the

grass is not growing, when the nourishment

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that your alpacas need is not there,

certainly in the UK, through the winter,

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the food needs to be supplemented.

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But it's a supplement, it's not

the main feed, it's a supplement.

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So what can we do about the grass

that's going to make things better?

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What can we do about

adjusting the hard feed?

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The amount or the type, and we're just

going to have to wait and see for some

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of the answers to what is going to

be available and how much it's going

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to cost and how much we can afford.

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The other things with hay, I'm

guessing that that is going to

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creep up a bit because the cost of

production of everything is going up.

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The cost of production of hay will

increase because the cost of fuel.

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is going up so much, so quickly.

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Now maybe it's going to come down

again, but it's going to be a

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challenging time in the future.

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Today, we can feel anxious

about that change, but we can't

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do much about changing it.

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Apart from preparing ourselves

to be flexible, ready for the

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pivot, ready for the change.

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So yeah, by nature, I'm not full of

anxious thoughts about the future.

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I'm sure it'll work out.

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I'm sure it'll be fine.

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We'll get by.

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I tend to be a bit more on that end of

the scale and I need to be a bit more,

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what are we going to do about this?

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How can we put things in place now, which

will mean we're in a better place later.

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And you may be on the other end of the

scale, where you're panicking about

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things now that haven't happened yet.

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And you probably need to go spend some

time with your alpacas and relax a bit.

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No easy answers, no easy answers,

but can we ask better questions?

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Always good to be asking good questions.

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And if we can work a bit at finding

the right question to be asking,

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maybe we can find a way forward.

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There's the climate crisis

that we're in the middle of.

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Oh, the, the UK announced

yesterday that within five

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years, It is likely that that 1.

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5 degree change barrier will have been

crossed, that the warming effect will

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have, will have passed that, and not

permanently, it'll probably drift back

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again, but, you know, five years, okay.

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So that thing that was further down the

line, kicking the can down the road, has

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now arrived with us and is part of it.

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It rained today.

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Wow, that was good.

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I got wet.

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It was nice.

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Uh, but it was proper rain.

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We've had a bit of rain just to wet

the ground a bit and feed the grass

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a bit, but this is proper rain.

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I'm seeing some little

changes in the, in the lake.

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I see some water coming in

far end, a little bit of white

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water coming through the rocks.

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And.

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it's been more persistent.

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And it was one of those,

I wish I'd put my hat on.

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No, no, it was beyond that.

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It was, I wish I'd put my waterproof

trousers on because my waterproof

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coat, it ran off and I got wet legs.

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Okay, I'm dry now.

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But this is something that we're going

to have to adjust to over the coming

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years is how the climate is changing.

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Not today's weather, but

the climate as a whole.

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Not easy.

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Can I control it?

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No.

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Can I influence it?

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Well, the weather, excuse me.

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Can you influence the weather?

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Not really.

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Can we influence our environment in a

way that says it'll be in a better place

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than it was if we didn't do anything?

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And the answer to that's got to be yes.

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We've got to be able to make changes

that are for the better, that don't leave

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things as they are, because they can't

stay as they are, but move things forward.

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So with our alpacas, what are we doing?

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with them, what can we do with them that

has an influence on how well they're

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going to be, how well they're going to

cope with the future that is coming.

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It's not here yet, not tomorrow,

probably not the day after, but

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coming to a place near you soon.

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Okay, so let's move away from the doom

and gloom and think about the change

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that happens, the things that we observe.

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One of the things about things changing

so quickly with the career that made

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me think about how much do we enjoy

the moment because we can be planning

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ahead, planning for change in a way that

means we miss the beauty of the moment.

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We don't start, stand and stare.

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We don't.

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sniff the breeze, shoot the breeze.

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Oh no, we shoot the breeze, don't we?

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We sniff the breeze as well.

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Uh, miss my dog.

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Uh, dogs, two of them.

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They'd got old and we, we lost them.

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But they, they used to stand and

stick their nose in the air and

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they'd be sniffing the breeze

just to see what was there.

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They'd sit outside the top of the

steps just near the house and they'd

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sniff to try and see what was going on.

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What could they determine?

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What could they check

their word missing out on?

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So spend some time.

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And I keep talking about that.

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Do you know why?

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Because I think it's important.

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So spend some time with your alpacas.

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That's another broken record bit.

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I know.

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So spend some time with your alpacas.

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Plan it in.

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Find some space in your calendar,

whether it's the weekend, whether it's

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a specific thing where you can spend

some time to stop and take stock.

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of your stock to look at your

alpacas and enjoy the moment.

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And we can have those

little five minute holidays.

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That's something that feeds us,

that nourishes us in a place

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that isn't to do with food.

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So spend some time with your alpacas,

enjoy the moment, and also reflect on the

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things that we can influence, the things

that we can change and see what we can do.

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I'm not sure what to do yet about.

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the dry food, the, you know, the pellets.

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I'm worried I've got to put

an order in for some today.

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Is the price going to be going up?

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I don't know.

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But I know it will be, if not

today, then in the future.

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So what am I going to do about that?

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Apart from wringing my hands.

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Ah, there must be an answer.

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I'm sure there will be.

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And we need to think about it.

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One of my thoughts, I'm sure

there's a downside to this

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somewhere, but I haven't worked out.

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It's one of my ideas that I

haven't put into action yet.

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Maybe I need to just get

on and do that as well.

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Was to buy some peas, some dried peas.

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Not for feeding the Okay.

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There's the flake peas,

the micronized peas.

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They're rolled and

crushed and dried quickly.

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And they get added in as an

extra supplement to their feed.

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But what I was thinking

of was the peed seeds.

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The ones that you plant

to grow pea plants.

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What if I got a big ass bag

of seeds, a big bag of seeds.

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And I went around sticking them in

the ground, just here and there.

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They're legumes.

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They are able to fix nitrogen.

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There's a combination of the, in the

root nodules and bacteria, and they

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work together and they fix nitrogen.

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And it makes the, the soil richer.

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This is regeneration.

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It's not just sustainable.

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It's not just using what we've got

and carrying on using what we've

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got, which is the sustainable.

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How can I carry on doing

what I've been doing?

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How can this be sustainable?

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So that I can carry on using the

resources and doing what I want to do?

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Well, What about the, beyond

that, to think about regeneration?

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What about regenerating the ground?

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And I'm aware, very much so, looking

at our valley, that that is what

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the alpacas are helping us with.

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They are actually helping

regenerate places and parts of

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the valley that we wouldn't be

able to do without fertilizers,

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without chemicals of some kind.

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And we don't want to use those.

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So the alpacas are actually helping.

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It's part of the regeneration of

this piece of land, which we have.

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responsibility for, we have control

of, we have not full control,

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but we have an influence on.

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There are things outside of our

control, but there are things that we

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can do that will make a difference.

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And my idea, I don't know

whether I should share it with

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you before I do it myself, but.

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was to plant some peas and just

see, this could be an interesting,

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because they'd love that, the alpacas.

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Can you imagine?

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Uh, Ooh, Ooh, what's this in here?

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And then the grass, they would

love the new leaves coming through.

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They, I don't imagine many of

them are going to get to the

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point of actually flowering or

producing peas, but you never know.

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And then they're going to self seed and

then they're going to grow a bit more.

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So it becomes something

that's good for the soil.

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It becomes something that's

good and interesting variety,

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fresh food for the alpacas.

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And, uh, it's an idea.

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It's not going to change the world.

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I know that.

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But it may have a little bit of influence.

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It may have a little bit of bringing in

some positive change that is worth doing.

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I think that's an idea I will pursue.

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And in fact, today, and now

that I've recorded it, I

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will have to do it, won't I?

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So I will order some pea seeds today.

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Assuming they're not out of season.

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Always act before your ideas expire.

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Uh, there we go.

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So we've been thinking about, it's

a bit philosophical today, I know.

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We've been thinking about change.

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Thinking about what we can

control, what we can't control.

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Thinking about we want the things

to stay the same and they won't.

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Thinking about the big stuff

that we have got no control over.

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The climate, the weather,

I can't change that.

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Certainly not today, but maybe there

are little things, less plastic.

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Is that a thing that's

going to change the climate?

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You know, one, one plastic bottle less,

is that going to make a difference?

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Well, if we all use one plastic bottle

less, if we all think about reusing, we

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all think about how we do things and the

way we want to do things in the future,

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then together we can make a difference.

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We can make change.

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So change is here to stay.

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Change is the only constant.

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Hopefully that's given you some food

for thought and maybe some ideas

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about food for your alpacas as well.

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If you've got any thoughts about all of

that, and I want to revisit this at some

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point as well, just that whole thing of

what's the impact on the environment of

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keeping alpacas positive and negative.

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I think most of it's positive,

but there are maybe some negative

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things that we can change as well.

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If you've got any thoughts,

I'd love to hear from you.

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Steve at alpacatribe.

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com.

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That's steve at alpacatribe.

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com.

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I'd love to hear from you.

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And we will see you again next

time when it may have rained

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again, or it may have stayed dry.

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Things might have changed

or they might be the same.

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If you can go spend some time with

your alpacas and smile and take a deep

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breath and stand a while and watch.

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Bye for now.

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This is The Alpaca Tribe.

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And I'm Steve Hetherington.

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