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Common Thread - Episode 3.3 (Angie Cooper)
Episode 714th May 2025 • Common Thread • Lunchador Podcast Network
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In the final installment in our three part episode, Angie delves into the intricate dynamics of real estate transactions, particularly emphasizing the ethical considerations faced by agents when negotiating sales. She explores the delicate balance of client desires and legal obligations, highlighting how agents must navigate the nuances of fair housing laws while advocating for their clients' preferences. Angie has found from discussions with sellers, who frequently express a desire to sell their homes to owner-occupants rather than investors. This sentiment underscores the broader implications of real estate decisions on neighborhood integrity and social fabric.

The episode also touches upon the historical context of discriminatory practices such as redlining and their enduring legacy in modern housing markets. Greg reflects on a recent workshop aimed at educating individuals about the implications of restrictive racial covenants in property deeds. These discussions serve as a reminder of the ongoing fight against systemic inequalities in housing and the importance of community advocacy in addressing these issues.

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Speaker A:

As like someone that sells and buys homes or represents those folks.

Speaker A:

Like, do you have any influence when you're negotiating or in negotiations?

Speaker A:

Or do you present it as like, hey, these are the folks, these are the offers.

Speaker A:

This could be an out of state person or group that's buying or like, how do you navigate that as you wanting to keep Richmond and cool and.

Speaker B:

Like obeying fair housing?

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

So yeah, it is.

Speaker B:

I present the information and I share all angles of it and I, my clients make the ultimate decision.

Speaker B:

But oftentimes times when I have my initial consults with my sellers, they say unprompted, without any influence from me, we want an owner occupant to buy this house.

Speaker B:

We do not want to sell this to an investor.

Speaker B:

We want to, you know, help manage, you know, who our neighbors are and like, you know, and that there are a lot of challenges with that.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

We can't steer people towards neighborhoods.

Speaker B:

We can't, you know, redline people away from neighborhoods, Things like that.

Speaker B:

It's very important.

Speaker B:

But most of the time it's directed at the corporate purchases or the investors that really aren't contributing to the community.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

So that is not something I can legally sway clients one way or another, but I can present all of the facts.

Speaker B:

And most of my sellers choose to, you know, accept an offer that is an owner occupant versus one of these big scary blackrock monsters.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I mean, we had, when we were selling our home recently, it was, we came into that situation too.

Speaker A:

And so it's, it's just one of those things like what if you, as someone that's selling a home that you care about the neighborhood, make that mistake, like, that's, that sucks.

Speaker A:

And you feel bad about it and just to know, know more about that process and understand that you do have an impact if you're moving out of the neighborhood, who you sell your home to.

Speaker B:

You do.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

And sellers can say things, you know, they can say things like, you know, home only open to owner occupants.

Speaker B:

Like, you do not have.

Speaker B:

There's no rule that says you have to sell to an investor, even if you get a perfectly clean offer from one.

Speaker B:

And I, Yeah, I don't think a lot of people know that and I don't think realtors explain that very often.

Speaker B:

So.

Speaker B:

Yeah, that's definitely something I, I do share with them.

Speaker B:

Like, you have the ultimate decision of who you sell your home to.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And the amount of cash offers that come in, which is like, like for.

Speaker B:

It's wild, man.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

It's like you know, they're not burdened by appraisals or anything like that.

Speaker B:

And you often get your cash in 14 days.

Speaker B:

So that's when it becomes a bit more predatory.

Speaker B:

If you do get people that are in a situation where they have to sell or have to move quickly, you know, one of those offers looks really good sometimes, and it's, it's tough.

Speaker B:

So I can't fault people that get in those positions to take an offer like that.

Speaker B:

It's also, it's very complicated.

Speaker C:

I mean, I, I mean, I mentioned, you know, my discomfort with, you know, investment companies buying houses.

Speaker C:

But I also recognize too that, like, if I were selling my home and it was like, it becomes a mathematical decision at some point.

Speaker C:

It's like if I'm trying to take care of my family or maybe, you know, I'm selling my house for reasons that are beyond my control, like I've got an illness or someone has an illness, it's like, of course I'm going to maximize what I get right out of that.

Speaker B:

And that's where having a good agent, too, can come into play.

Speaker B:

Because, say you have two offers, one is to the investment firm and it, it's going to net you more money at the end of the day, but your agent, you know, should be able to go back to that other offer.

Speaker B:

And I'm, I'm super transparent when I'm doing these transactions.

Speaker B:

And I can be like, hey, owner occupant, I got another offer on the table that, you know, looks like this.

Speaker B:

If you guys can make yours look like that, like my seller would prefer to go with you, you know, And I think that's where having someone advocate for you can be a big, big deal.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

Like in being able to know that those options exist, to even have those conversations.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Have you gotten more comfortable being able to navigate that, those situations?

Speaker B:

Yeah, I shockingly like the negotiating process, which is a surprise to me, honestly, because I'm very non confron.

Speaker B:

But I'm also just very honest and transparent.

Speaker B:

So I found a way to do it that's kind and, you know, usually goes very smooth, but also firm enough where I really get my clients what they want.

Speaker B:

And I always just make sure I'm doing what they want.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

Like I'm advocating for them, what's going to make, you know, their lives the best.

Speaker B:

But yeah, I do like it.

Speaker B:

It was really scary at first, especially because I'm, I'm often up against, you know, the old guard of realtors, like the bow tie wearing, you know, types that have been doing this for a long time, especially in Richmond.

Speaker B:

Like, it's some old school, like, nepotism, like, old money stuff.

Speaker B:

So here's me on the phone with one of those dudes, you know, trying to navigate a negotiation, and they're like, oh, honey, do you know how contractors work?

Speaker B:

And, you know, stuff like that.

Speaker B:

So, like, it's been kind of fun, honestly, to put them in their place at times.

Speaker A:

Love it.

Speaker C:

Since this is one of the few areas that is actually my line of work is kind of crossing over with yours, I wanted to speak a little bit about redlining, which you had mentioned at the library that I work at.

Speaker C:

We recently did this panel discussion and workshop that folks could attend to learn about the history of redlining in the Rochester area.

Speaker C:

And it's quite shocking, like, the racial composition of many of the neighborhoods in.

Speaker C:

In Rochester are directly impacted by this practice, even though, you know, it was officially off the books, you know, like, before, you know, any of us were born.

Speaker C:

On this call, obviously, there might be people listening who are around, but we.

Speaker C:

We specifically had this workshop with a gentleman named Shane Wigand, who is local to Rochester, who put together, like, a.

Speaker A:

Toolkit and also does a land trust, too, right?

Speaker C:

Yeah.

Speaker C:

Yeah.

Speaker C:

He's.

Speaker C:

He's got his hands in a lot of different kind of social justice things as they intersect with government and education.

Speaker C:

But we put together, like, this presentation for folks who wanted to learn about the practice of.

Speaker C:

Of racial covenants in property documents.

Speaker C:

And it was, like, super shocking when people find out about it.

Speaker C:

Especially, like, people in our age group are younger.

Speaker C:

But, like, many of the deeds for houses that most of my friends grew up in have, like, legal language in it that says, you can't sell this house to someone who's an immigrant.

Speaker C:

You can't sell it to, like, you know, a Jewish person or a black person.

Speaker C:

And the whole point of the workshop was basically how to go about researching your property documents and then filing an amendment so that that language is, like, nullified.

Speaker C:

Now, all of that language is, like, nullified through, like, court action.

Speaker C:

But we all know, like, pretty acutely that the Supreme Court can change its mind on things that we're told are settled.

Speaker C:

And so there's a lot of interest in the last couple of years in people taking it on and removing that language.

Speaker C:

And so we went, you know, me and Shane and some other people went down to, like, the county clerk's office and looked up all the documents related to, like, our various houses.

Speaker C:

And I actually went through the process to, like, remove that language from my property documents.

Speaker C:

And it's like, it's nuts because, like, you know, if I, you know, if that were still in effect, I wouldn't be able to sell my house to, like, just tons of people who might actually be interested in buying it.

Speaker C:

So if folks are interested in learning more about that, there's a website where there's resources for the Rochester area.

Speaker C:

But it's, you know, I think.

Speaker C:

I think it's fairly common across New York State that, that, you know, you just substitute your county clerk's name instead of like, you know, Rochester.

Speaker C:

But resistancemapping.org if you're interested in learning more about the history of that practice and then what you can do to like, remove that language from your own property documents.

Speaker C:

I imagine this is probably also an issue in Richmond.

Speaker B:

Totally.

Speaker C:

History of.

Speaker C:

Of the South.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I love that you bring that up, Greg.

Speaker B:

Yeah, that's definitely something that, you know, we.

Speaker B:

We talk about a lot, especially at our brokerage.

Speaker B:

We're very involved in, you know, those aspects of.

Speaker B:

Of history, especially.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

In a place like Richmond with those restrictive covenants that are on certain properties, it's.

Speaker B:

It's disturbing how they're still there often.

Speaker B:

And like I mentioned the.

Speaker B:

The cool punk attorney that I work with that was drove inquisition to Battle of the Bands.

Speaker B:

That's something he's looking for on every deed transfer that happens.

Speaker B:

And so if he discovers language like that in there, we.

Speaker B:

We get it removed, you know.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

If a property hasn't changed hands for a while, like, it's.

Speaker B:

It's highly likely you still have that on your deed.

Speaker B:

It's really wild.

Speaker B:

But, yeah, those websites exist.

Speaker B:

The Black History Museum in Richmond did a whole really cool exhibit on redlining and, you know, how it really impacted our city and all of America, really.

Speaker A:

One.

Speaker C:

One cool thing that came out of the presentation that we had at the library was one of the local county legislators attended.

Speaker C:

And there are some elected folks at the county and state level in New York that were working.

Speaker C:

And I don't know if it's.

Speaker C:

I don't think it's been passed into, like, a law yet, but they were working on kind of like amending the law so that anytime a property did change hands, if that language was in the documents, it would have to be removed as a part of the transaction.

Speaker B:

Awesome.

Speaker C:

But, like, as far as, like, the government is concerned, like, you know, you could put all sorts of things into, like, a legal document.

Speaker C:

Whether it's actually legally enforceable or not is another question.

Speaker C:

And because the Supreme Court ruled on this.

Speaker C:

It's considered, you know, like nullified.

Speaker C:

But it's just so offensive to so many people.

Speaker C:

And I think it's really cool that like, you know, something we did at the library is influenced, you know, people in an elected position of formal power to try to take some kind of action against it.

Speaker B:

Amazing.

Speaker B:

That's so cool.

Speaker B:

The power of libraries is awesome.

Speaker B:

One of my dear friends is the branch manager at Johnson Library right outside of New York City.

Speaker B:

And I know she does a lot of, of stuff like that.

Speaker B:

She was actually my first seller I ever represented in Richmond, which is cool, full circle librarian stuff.

Speaker B:

But yeah, she's very passionate about that.

Speaker B:

But that's such a cool resource to bring into the library space to help educate folks.

Speaker B:

I love that.

Speaker C:

Well, it scratched all the right itches for me because, like, I really love going back and looking at all those old documents and you'd have to like, look at microfilm and you'd have to like, look at these leather bound book.

Speaker C:

And the process I had to follow was like, I have my property documents and I know who I bought the house from.

Speaker C:

And then I had to look up who they bought the house from.

Speaker C:

And my house is 100 years old.

Speaker B:

Cool.

Speaker C:

And I assumed it probably changed hands like five times, but it's changed hand, it's changed hands like more than 20 times.

Speaker C:

Like there were people who just lived in it for like a couple months or, you know, maybe they bought it as an investment and flipped it back in the day, but it turns into like, you know, I don't know that movie National Treasure with Nicholas Cage pretty quick where you're like, you know, crawling through basements looking at ready old documents.

Speaker C:

So it definitely appealed to like the researcher, archivist, librarian in me, but it also kind of appealed to the part of me that is interested in like confronting injustice in the world, especially injustice when it's kind of held in place by the government.

Speaker C:

So it was, it was easy.

Speaker C:

It was easy for me to change.

Speaker C:

Like, it just was an investment of time.

Speaker C:

But there's like neighborhoods in Rochester where in order to change the document, in order for one person to change their document, you have to get a majority of the people in the neighborhood to agree to the same changes in their documents too.

Speaker B:

Oh, interesting.

Speaker C:

And like, I think they put that in there to try to just like even further lock it down.

Speaker C:

That like certain ethnic, racial or religious groups wouldn't be able to move in.

Speaker C:

But anyway, so sorry to make it about me.

Speaker C:

And not, not about.

Speaker B:

No, I love it.

Speaker B:

That's super relevant.

Speaker B:

It's very important.

Speaker C:

Really cool.

Speaker C:

St.

Speaker C:

And folks, if you.

Speaker C:

If you live in a house that was, you know, built before, you know, basically Post World War II, there's probably something in there.

Speaker C:

Unless you, you know, are lucky enough to live in a house that was built in, like, the.

Speaker C:

The late 70s onward, there's probably something like that in your documents that is news.

Speaker A:

That is amazing that a.

Speaker A:

We can try to change that, influence that for the future, but also great knowledge that I didn't know.

Speaker A:

So thank you for sharing that.

Speaker B:

Yeah, it's really wild.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

And even though we have fair housing law, like you said, like, that stuff is not etched in stone.

Speaker A:

It's true.

Speaker C:

All right, so we're.

Speaker C:

We're.

Speaker C:

I don't know if that's a good place to stop.

Speaker C:

I don't want to keep.

Speaker C:

Keep you all night.

Speaker B:

Or do I have any other questions?

Speaker A:

The questions I have now.

Speaker A:

What are.

Speaker A:

What are some, like.

Speaker A:

What are some of those bands and influences that.

Speaker A:

That drive you or that got you to kind of be who you are and live authentic.

Speaker A:

Authentically you?

Speaker B:

Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker B:

I mean, my first show was like, show, like, punk show.

Speaker B:

My first, like, real show was the Beach Boys, which was awesome, but amazing with John Stamos playing drum.

Speaker B:

in:

Speaker B:

That was very cool.

Speaker B:

That definitely set me on a different trajectory.

Speaker B:

But growing up, the stuff that has continued to mean, I mean, obviously a veil still means a lot to me, but the message that has really been, like, embodied is, I mean, I guess, Minor Threat, of course, Seven Seconds and then later, Suicide File with, like, the.

Speaker B:

You know, the more political stuff and.

Speaker B:

And anybody that was kind of including women at that time, if I'm being honest, you know, Seven Seconds writes not just voice fun.

Speaker B:

I was like, yes.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker B:

Like, I.

Speaker B:

I kind of belong here.

Speaker B:

Because even in a scene where I felt like I belonged more than I belonged anywhere else, I still felt like an outsider sometimes just based on being a woman.

Speaker B:

And it got better, you know, over the years, but early on, it was still like a very much an other.

Speaker B:

And then I met people like Rory and all of my Rochester friends that were like, oh, cool, we're gonna call the girl and we're just gonna be cool to her and talk about music and not be weird.

Speaker B:

And it was awesome.

Speaker B:

So, yeah, I would say those bands and.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Then, like, Suicide File, Count me out.

Speaker B:

Other bands like that from Richmond.

Speaker B:

I'm still straight edge.

Speaker B:

That was really, you know, something that was important to me.

Speaker B:

Not to get too dark, but I lost my dad to alcoholism when I was 18, and that was right around when I heard Minor Threat and, like, those kinds of bands.

Speaker B:

And I was like, oh, I don't have to follow this path.

Speaker B:

Like, there is.

Speaker B:

There are other options out there, you know, that I don't know, other than just drinking and being part of the, like, status quo, for sure.

Speaker A:

I mean, it's.

Speaker A:

It's.

Speaker A:

For me, it's not seeing what was around me was.

Speaker A:

Music gave me that path, that there was something else that wasn't what was in front of me.

Speaker A:

And I think that's what I'm getting.

Speaker A:

What you're saying is, like, there's, you know, especially when it comes to drugs and alcohol, and that was.

Speaker A:

If I didn't have that, I don't know where I would be, you know, same.

Speaker A:

It's amazing that you're even, you know, saying, you know, this is my own blinders sometimes.

Speaker A:

Like, yes, I realize that there is.

Speaker A:

There needs to be more women representation in hardcore punk.

Speaker B:

Getting way better.

Speaker B:

Every show I go to now, I'm so inspired.

Speaker B:

The younger generations, like, it's so cool.

Speaker A:

Like, the most diverse it's ever been.

Speaker B:

Of those crowds are.

Speaker B:

I'm, like, so invigorated by it.

Speaker B:

It's amazing.

Speaker B:

But that was not the case, you.

Speaker A:

Know, and 20 years ago, you know, like, it wasn't.

Speaker A:

And I think Rochester was lucky to have a really strong group of women and females that were represented at shows.

Speaker B:

And a part of it were awesome.

Speaker B:

And, you know, and the women were amazing.

Speaker B:

And the men involved in that scene were are, you know, very.

Speaker B:

I never.

Speaker B:

I never noticed my gender, you know, Like, I just felt like a friend, which was very cool.

Speaker B:

That wasn't the case everywhere, so thank you guys for all of that.

Speaker B:

Good, good people.

Speaker B:

If there's something in the.

Speaker A:

A little different up here, you know, but even speaking to, like, something like seven seconds, you know, not just boys, fun being, you know, someone that's younger could be like, yeah, of course.

Speaker A:

That's funny.

Speaker A:

But, like, it.

Speaker A:

It was so important.

Speaker B:

Oh, when I heard that song, I was just like.

Speaker B:

Like, a light went off in my head.

Speaker B:

I was just like, oh, man.

Speaker B:

Like, people see me like, this is cool.

Speaker B:

Like, I don't know.

Speaker B:

It just.

Speaker B:

Right now, the younger people, it's like, whatever.

Speaker B:

But at the time, it was very important and impactful.

Speaker A:

Thank you for sharing that.

Speaker B:

Yeah, of course.

Speaker A:

And you Know also you.

Speaker A:

I think being set on a path of a tragedy is, is always unfortunate, but it's so great that you're still here and you're still doing what you need to do.

Speaker A:

And being straight edge is a part of that, which is, hey, people like you can go through a lot of stuff in life, but you can also say, hey, that's not for me.

Speaker A:

And it's totally okay as an adult to be considering yourself straight edge.

Speaker A:

Still, like I had a moment where like, you know what?

Speaker A:

Like, yeah, like I don't have to hide this part of me.

Speaker B:

No, it's.

Speaker A:

Being straight edge as an adult is fine.

Speaker A:

It is fine.

Speaker B:

It's cool.

Speaker B:

I think it's cool.

Speaker B:

I think it's cool.

Speaker B:

But also, if that's not the right thing for you either, that's cool too.

Speaker B:

But like, exactly, you know, I, I chose to learn from the mistakes of others around me instead of making them myself.

Speaker B:

As we were talking about earlier, you know, owning our mistakes and everything, I, I watched some horrific stuff happen and I, I really, I could very much see myself going down that path.

Speaker B:

And I, and I actively chose not to as much as I wanted to sometimes, honestly, you know, like sometimes give in to the darkness.

Speaker B:

But I, I chose not to.

Speaker B:

And I, and I don't know that I could have or would have made that decision if not for hardcore, you know, if not for knowing about this thing called straight edge.

Speaker B:

Like that was something that I was kind of leaning towards anyway.

Speaker B:

And then the fact that it was a thing was like, oh, this is awesome.

Speaker B:

Like this is something, a space that I probably belong in.

Speaker B:

I wasn't alone.

Speaker B:

Other people were doing it too.

Speaker C:

Hardcore gets.

Speaker C:

Hardcore has the right combination of like providing a community for people who don't want to drink while also still embracing non conformity.

Speaker C:

I feel like most of the other communities that non not using drugs or alcohol is like a big part of the community are usually like pretty restrictive or traditional.

Speaker C:

Like in like a religious sense.

Speaker B:

Exactly.

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah, I, yeah, I felt no connection to religion at all.

Speaker B:

But yet, you know, there was this other thing that I was like, oh, I resonate with this.

Speaker B:

But you're totally right that other like sober spaces tend to have kind of that religious twinge to them that I was not, not feeling.

Speaker C:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

But yeah, I mean, you know, I think that, I think that's like besides being on a call with.

Speaker A:

I think we represent about 70 plus years of veganism and you know, which is pretty awesome.

Speaker C:

Speaking, I mean we, you mentioned, you know, like women having More representation in hardcore.

Speaker C:

And I've definitely noticed that too.

Speaker C:

Noticed that too.

Speaker C:

I've noticed there's, like, way more representation of, you know, LGBTQ people in hardcore, which is, in my opinion, a good thing.

Speaker C:

But like, the veganism thing, it blows my mind when I go into a grocery store and there's like, literally as much shelf space dedicated to, like, vegan ice cream or like, plant based milk alternatives as there are to the.

Speaker C:

The traditional dairy stuff.

Speaker C:

Yeah, Like, I never would have thought that was gonna be the case, y'all 20 years ago.

Speaker B:

Same.

Speaker B:

I mean, yeah, the late 90s.

Speaker B:

It was sad.

Speaker B:

I still joke about, like, a Portobello burger being 90s vegan punishment, you know, Or Rice Stream.

Speaker A:

Rice Stream being.

Speaker B:

Which is still back.

Speaker B:

That shit's good.

Speaker A:

But you think, oh, man, I'll eat.

Speaker B:

A Rice Dream sandwich any day.

Speaker A:

Well, sandwich, but out of the Pinterest, it would definitely cut your tongue up.

Speaker B:

That's true.

Speaker B:

Portobello burger.

Speaker B:

Oh, God, yeah.

Speaker A:

Had way too many of those.

Speaker A:

Although right now, like, I've since been.

Speaker A:

I'm now allergic to mushrooms.

Speaker A:

I don't know if that's because of the reason, but 90s vegan punishment, man.

Speaker C:

But.

Speaker A:

But yeah, the options.

Speaker A:

Is insane.

Speaker A:

It is.

Speaker A:

You know, thanks, Earth crisis.

Speaker A:

And, you know, all of.

Speaker A:

All of the.

Speaker A:

The vegan punishment that happened and change can happen in your grocery market and it's because of hardcore.

Speaker B:

I think, like, normal people are choosing that sometimes too.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

Like, like, it's not all or nothing anymore.

Speaker B:

Like, people will still just make those decisions in their, like, daily lives, which, I mean, I'll take any of it.

Speaker B:

It's cool.

Speaker C:

Well, it was wild because one time I was sure.

Speaker C:

There's probably a part of me that's embarrassed to admit this, but I was like, in a Burger King and I.

Speaker C:

And I saw guys who looked like they were probably, like, H vac contractors who were probably in Washington, D.C.

Speaker C:

on January 6th.

Speaker C:

You know, like, they.

Speaker C:

They look like they definitely voted for Donald Trump.

Speaker C:

And they were, like, talking about, like, how good the impossible Whopper tasted and how, like, they couldn't tell that it wasn't real meat.

Speaker C:

And they.

Speaker C:

They've ordered a bunch of them, and they'd probably order more if it were just a little bit cheaper.

Speaker C:

And when it gets cheaper, maybe I could give up meat.

Speaker C:

And I was, like, insane to me that these, like, guys are having this conversation because I don't think it would have even been on their radar to consider, you know, even like, 10 years ago.

Speaker B:

That's amazing.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

And Europe's even farther ahead of us.

Speaker B:

Whenever, you know, we travel over there, it's not even a thing.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

Like, veganism's still like kind of a thing here that has a bit of a stigma to it, but over there it's just like, whatever, nobody cares.

Speaker B:

And I, I hope we're moving more towards that.

Speaker B:

That story shows me we are.

Speaker C:

Yeah, I feel like there's kind of a little bit of a backlash going against VE right now with the like, alpha male mentality that is, you know, very much a problem.

Speaker C:

But I'd like to think that that's more of just like a temporary setback than like a reversal of a trend because I don't know, I know so many people who, they're, you know, they still eat meat.

Speaker C:

They, you know, they're not from punk rock or anything.

Speaker C:

You know, people my parents age, people who come from totally straight laced, traditional backgrounds that have given up, you know, a significant percentage of dairy or meat based products because it's so convenient and it's affordable now at this point.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I mean, I still think it's one of the most punk things you can do.

Speaker C:

Oh, yeah.

Speaker B:

Not eat animals.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I mean, I think that's like.

Speaker B:

And people don't realize how punk they're being when they don't do that.

Speaker B:

But I love it.

Speaker A:

I will, I will say that there is.

Speaker A:

And this could be a blind spot for me, but compared to when moving in, getting involved and being a part of hardcore and punk, there is a lack of vocal veganism from bands in general, which is pretty wild to me.

Speaker A:

Maybe it's something.

Speaker A:

It's like one of those things, like, I don't want to alienate people or the trope of like, how do you know someone's vegan, they'll tell you kind of thing.

Speaker A:

But we got here because of that in a way and we did.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I hope some people start talking about it more again.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, maybe.

Speaker B:

Or tabling.

Speaker B:

Give it, give me a table and some zines.

Speaker C:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Oh my goodness.

Speaker A:

You know, there's none, none of that anywhere, period, you know, which is interesting and.

Speaker A:

But that's just, I think, different generational aspect.

Speaker A:

When you can have all the information in, in your palm of your hand on your phone.

Speaker A:

Those conversations aren't as real on the day to day.

Speaker A:

I mean.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Tabling at shows, that's what changed.

Speaker A:

My brain is picking up all of that information and being like, holy cow, what is vivisection?

Speaker A:

Oh my goodness.

Speaker B:

Right, right.

Speaker C:

I still have the why Vegan pamphlet that I got at the basement of RIT and the Claw that kind of started me on the whole thing.

Speaker B:

That's amazing.

Speaker C:

Yeah.

Speaker C:

In fact, it came up recently.

Speaker C:

Someone was like, hey, you know, you're like one of those OG Metal core guys.

Speaker C:

What do you think about, like, all these.

Speaker C:

These bands that are out there now that are sounding like undying and Prayer for Cleansing, like, oh, this is awesome.

Speaker C:

This is, like, right up my alley.

Speaker C:

I call this vegan black metal.

Speaker C:

But these.

Speaker C:

A lot of these bands out there, they need to, like, they need to talk about veganism.

Speaker C:

They need to have, like, in your face, you know, like, you know.

Speaker C:

Animal Liberation lyrics.

Speaker C:

The one thing that's missing from that, that.

Speaker C:

That kind of scene, that's like having a moment now.

Speaker A:

They got.

Speaker A:

They got.

Speaker A:

They got the look, they got the sound.

Speaker A:

The politics are.

Speaker B:

The politics are not there.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Well, maybe that's your next project.

Speaker B:

Guys get on that.

Speaker B:

You know, you don't have enough to do.

Speaker A:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

You know, I.

Speaker A:

You know, I don't know.

Speaker A:

Maybe later, maybe in our 50s.

Speaker C:

That's my kid's job.

Speaker C:

That's.

Speaker C:

If I do it right, then they'll do that for me and I can sit back.

Speaker B:

I mean, between both of you, you have a full band.

Speaker C:

It's true.

Speaker A:

It's true.

Speaker A:

I don't know if Ren's into edm, though, so, you know, he likes electronic dance music.

Speaker B:

That's cool.

Speaker A:

So he's into that, which is great.

Speaker B:

It's a educational daily.

Speaker A:

Oh, okay.

Speaker A:

He's still here.

Speaker A:

He's still with us.

Speaker A:

11:00 at night.

Speaker B:

I know I'm about to crack down.

Speaker A:

Trust me, I'm same.

Speaker A:

But it's.

Speaker A:

It's wild.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

To be in for.

Speaker A:

I'm fortunate to be at the 40s and still playing music and doing the thing and.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I had this conversation recently.

Speaker A:

It's like, I feel grateful.

Speaker A:

And what's the point of stopping doing it if.

Speaker B:

If you're still having fun and you enjoy it, who cares?

Speaker A:

It's like, this is.

Speaker A:

This is my, like, you know, sport that you do.

Speaker A:

You people pick up pickleball or whatever nowadays.

Speaker A:

But so I'm sure the same's for.

Speaker A:

And it's like hanging out with friends.

Speaker A:

Like, I'd rather go to a band practice than go to a bar or, like, do those other things all day long.

Speaker C:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

You know, those are.

Speaker A:

Those are.

Speaker A:

That's my connection to my friends and people.

Speaker B:

I love it.

Speaker C:

What am I gonna do with guys my age?

Speaker C:

Go play golf.

Speaker C:

That Sounds like terrible.

Speaker A:

Happy Gilmore, man, I don't know.

Speaker C:

Thank you.

Speaker C:

I have, like, I have a lot of regrets, you know, I wasn't always going to shows as actively as I am presently, and I regret that at times.

Speaker C:

You know, I regret, you know, my decision not to be straight edge.

Speaker C:

But the one thing I'm glad I stuck with was veganism.

Speaker C:

I, like, never faltered on that because I'm like, in, in good enough shape still where I can play a physical instrument like the drums, and I can, you know, do bands and keep up with my kids.

Speaker C:

So, like, if, you know, veganism is definitely, like, I think made my 30s and now 40s better because I'm like, I have a greater degree of health than a lot of people.

Speaker B:

It's true.

Speaker B:

And your karma, your karma's in check.

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

I mean, you're more plant than you are, you know, animal at this point.

Speaker B:

On that note.

Speaker A:

The sillies.

Speaker A:

Now we're getting the sillies.

Speaker B:

Now we're getting the sillies.

Speaker B:

This has been fun, you guys.

Speaker B:

Thank you so much for, for considering me.

Speaker B:

And if, yeah, if you have any other follow up questions or anything, just holler.

Speaker C:

Thank, thank you for joining us.

Speaker C:

And when Rory said we were going to have you on, I'm like, okay, great.

Speaker C:

I, like, didn't really know you back in the day, but, you know, I was, I was doing another hardcore podcast and one of the things I regretted about that was that, like, we didn't have more women on.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker C:

And I'm, I'm glad that, that you, you're on and some of the guests, we've already started lining up.

Speaker C:

You know, there's better parity between men and women, and I'm glad that we're like, part of that solution instead of part of the problem.

Speaker B:

I love it.

Speaker B:

I know.

Speaker B:

I love, I love learning about hardcore and listening to podcasts still.

Speaker B:

But yeah, sometimes I'm just like, whoo, can we have, like, some other voices on here?

Speaker B:

So I, I appreciate that and I just love the concept of what you guys are doing is talking about, you know, how we have carried this, this stuff into jobs that aren't clearly related but where it makes sense.

Speaker B:

I, I think it's really cool.

Speaker B:

And, you know, I.

Speaker B:

Real estate is one of those things that, like, does have a kind of a negative connotation sometimes.

Speaker B:

Like, we're seen as like used car salesmen often.

Speaker B:

And that is something that, you know, myself and my brokerage are actively trying to rewrite that narrative and, and be seen more as Folks that are just helping in the community and trying to solve some of these very, very challenging issues that people have with housing.

Speaker B:

So thank you for letting me share my part.

Speaker A:

I love it.

Speaker A:

I think that was awesome.

Speaker A:

Thank you.

Speaker A:

And just being able to highlight people that, you know, like Greg and I have talked about it, that aren't the ones that are in the bands all the time, but.

Speaker A:

But carry that ethos with them that are in.

Speaker B:

Book your own fucking life.

Speaker B:

Maybe on the bands.

Speaker B:

But.

Speaker A:

But exactly, exactly.

Speaker A:

That.

Speaker A:

Just as important, you know.

Speaker B:

Thank you.

Speaker A:

And you know, those connections wouldn't be made if that wasn't the case.

Speaker B:

Totally.

Speaker A:

You know.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

That everybody plays a role in, you know, in.

Speaker B:

In this weird subculture that we have created for ourselves.

Speaker B:

And, you know, it's all very important.

Speaker B:

It's cool.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker B:

Thanks, guys.

Speaker B:

It's good to see you.

Speaker A:

Ah, good to see you too, Angie.

Speaker C:

We'll.

Speaker A:

We'll catch up on a phone call or something.

Speaker B:

Yeah, I would love that.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I need to know all about your kids and all of it and come.

Speaker B:

I just need to come up for a visit.

Speaker A:

That too.

Speaker B:

We got Knockout, all of y'all up there.

Speaker A:

The.

Speaker A:

The one thing we'll wrap up with, like, we'll put all yours.

Speaker A:

You send us an email with all your social stuff.

Speaker A:

We'll put that in the show notes and everything.

Speaker A:

And if you want.

Speaker A:

If you have a picture or anything you want to say.

Speaker B:

I was gonna say, let me see if I can dig up an old picture of us.

Speaker B:

I bet I can.

Speaker A:

I still have that board that.

Speaker A:

That board you made with all the pictures.

Speaker A:

Old pictures of us.

Speaker A:

I still have that.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I do.

Speaker B:

Oh, that's amazing.

Speaker B:

Yes.

Speaker B:

That's great.

Speaker A:

I'll find it.

Speaker A:

I'll find it.

Speaker B:

I'll find it.

Speaker B:

I know.

Speaker B:

I started scanning everything in a few years ago.

Speaker B:

I didn't get very far, but I'll look.

Speaker B:

When do you think this one will air?

Speaker C:

We'll post this one Wednesday.

Speaker C:

This will be like a two parter.

Speaker C:

So the first part will be Wednesday next week and then Wednesday the following week.

Speaker B:

All right, well, I'll try to dig up some pictures before then.

Speaker A:

Cool.

Speaker C:

Send them to the email.

Speaker C:

Any pictures you got.

Speaker C:

I'll make a graphic.

Speaker C:

I'll share it with you.

Speaker C:

I can tag you as a collaborator.

Speaker C:

Don't feel obligated to accept the collaboration request.

Speaker A:

I love it.

Speaker B:

I will.

Speaker C:

Yeah.

Speaker C:

A lot of hurt feelings in politics, I think.

Speaker C:

Have over that.

Speaker B:

I'll repost.

Speaker B:

I'll do all of it.

Speaker C:

I appreciate it.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And.

Speaker A:

And also, too.

Speaker A:

If.

Speaker A:

If you want to suggest anyone too, let us know.

Speaker A:

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I know a lot of ladies doing cool stuff.

Speaker A:

You know, we want to highlight people doing rad stuff.

Speaker A:

Like you said.

Speaker A:

Like, perfect.

Speaker A:

That's the important thing.

Speaker B:

Well, you guys are doing rad stuff.

Speaker B:

I appreciate you.

Speaker A:

I appreciate you.

Speaker A:

Thank you, Angie.

Speaker A:

Have a good night.

Speaker C:

Common Thread is co hosted by Greg Benoit and Rory Van Grohl, with creative support from Rob Antonucci.

Speaker C:

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Speaker C:

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Speaker C:

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