Perimenopause is a rollercoaster, isn’t it? From hormone shifts to fluctuating energy levels, it’s no wonder so many of us feel overwhelmed. But here’s the thing, this stage of life doesn’t have to feel out of control. In this episode Dr Renee White chats with Accredited Sports Dietitian and Eating Disorder Credentialed Clinician, Jaymeila Webb, about how the food you eat can make a massive difference in managing perimenopause symptoms.

With her no-BS approach to nutrition and years of experience supporting women, Jay shares practical, science-backed advice to help you thrive during this transition. Whether you’re feeling exhausted, battling brain fog, or just unsure of where to start, this episode is here to empower you with tools that actually work.

You’ll hear about:

• Why restrictive diets don’t work in perimenopause: The impact of fasting and skipping meals on your hormones, energy, and mood.
• How to build a hormone-friendly plate: Simple ways to structure meals that support your body and keep you feeling balanced.
• The power of strength training: Why muscle-building is one of the most important tools for long-term health during perimenopause.
• Ditching the diet culture guilt: How to create a positive, sustainable relationship with food that truly serves you.

If you’ve been feeling overwhelmed by all the noise around food and health, this episode will leave you with practical, empowering tools to make choices that support you, without the guilt. Let’s take this journey together, mama. Share this episode with a friend who’s ready to feel more confident and capable in their perimenopause journey!

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Disclaimer: The information on this podcast presented by the Fill Your Cup is not a substitute for independent professional advice.

Nothing contained in this podcast is intended to be used as medical advice and it is not intended to be used to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease, nor should it be used for therapeutic purposes or as a substitute for your own health professional's advice.

[00:00:52] Dr Renee White: It's a topic which is generating. A ton of airplay and rightly so. We're going to be talking about menopause and perimenopause today with our guest. And this is, I think I've, this is like one, two, three, definitely three guests in the bank who are going to be talking about different kind of aspects of this topic of perimenopause and menopause for all those playing at home.

[00:02:25] Dr Renee White: Um, And many of us don't really understand what those symptoms are and we, we put them in a different basket. So today's guest is going to be sharing a bit of light on that and more from a perspective of nutrition and exercise. But before we jump in to that particular, uh, chat, I just wanted to say a big Merry Christmas.

[00:03:18] Dr Renee White: Christmas can be, it can be a show, right? It can be really, really full on. And I just wanted to do a big love shout out to you. It's funny or not funny, actually. We actually get a lot of inquiries around Christmas New Year time for doula support and it's because people are just at their absolute wits end with tons of family around and you would think it would be the opposite because they, you would think, oh they've got family around.

[00:04:24] Dr Renee White: Please feel free to reach out to us, ifillyourcup.com, jump onto the homepage and just scroll down, there's a contact us inquiry form there at the bottom of the page and give us a little shout out. Or if you're really struggling, just send us a DM on Instagram, fillyourcup underscore, and just go this is what I'm dealing with. How do I manage this? And I will definitely, if you haven't listened to the previous episode, which is episode 153, we're sharing some tips about how to manage family and all the overwhelm of Christmas, jump back into that Check in Tuesday episode that could be really, really helpful for you.

[00:05:47] Dr Renee White: I absolutely love it, but Jay came out and she was talking about nutrition and essentially, you know, if you are getting to the gym, like how we are to be fueling our bodies correctly so we can get the most out of them. Now, she is just not some random person spouting information, Jay is actually an accredited sports dietitian.

[00:06:39] Dr Renee White: The, this whole thing around carbs, carbs, I think were put into my head as scary things. And just listening to Jay for like an hour, she just like put me at ease. Like it just, it's just changing your mindset. Right. And having someone who has a ton of experience. Um, she's got over eight years of, eight years of experience working with clients.

[00:07:30] Dr Renee White: And I found this absolutely fascinating. And I remember sitting there in the crowd going, this woman needs to come on the podcast ASAP. So I'm going to stop blabbing. I am going to introduce Jay, the lovely, accredited sports dietician to talk about menopause and perimenopause. Enjoy. Hello and welcome to the podcast. Jay Webb. How are you today?

[00:08:02] Dr Renee White: Oh, my pleasure. Now for all those playing at home, uh, Jay and I met, I reckon it's like about a month ago, uh, Jay was invited for a little workshop at my gym. And I'm going to give a big shout out to Art Gym in Hobart, Eilish, Miscad and Josie, especially.

[00:08:46] Dr Renee White: I just thought going to the gym four times a week and pushing my body. I was like, yeah, yeah, same thing. But, um, I was like, oh yeah, I should probably learn how to fuel my body and learn how to recover. And I have to say, Jay, that you, you changed the way I think for a few different reasons. The first one is, um, I actually eat before I go to the gym now, which is amazing.

[00:09:39] Dr Renee White: Because it's a conversation that it just takes the foot off the gas and the anxiety around are you eating your vegetables? Because clearly that's the color, right? Correct. Yep. And so I just want to say thank you for that because my seven year old has got it in her brain already. She's like, I got my colour mum, I got my carb and I got my protein and I feel like we need to start having these conversations super early, particularly with ladies, um, and our girls and setting the standard for good kind of role modeling and healthy eating. So thank you for that.

[00:10:31] Dr Renee White: Exactly. Yeah. And I think it just, as you say, like it, it takes that, um, pressure off. Like, you know, the other morning I was kind of like, I, oh, I always like to have eggs in the morning, but then I was like, oh, I really don't feel like toast. Um, but I had like a leftover, um, salad I'd made the night before, which was like sweet potato, chickpea, and some spinach. I was like, I'm just going to have that with eggs. And I was like, winning covering carbs and the color in one bag.

[00:11:02] Dr Renee White: Yeah.

[00:11:33] Jaymeila Webb: What's easy. What feels right. What feels satisfying. And then you can keep doing it for a long time. And if it's on a schedule plan and you're told. You have to eat the sweet potato with the chickpea salad for breakfast with eggs. You're going to be resistant within a week. You're not going to want to do that. No.

[00:11:59] Dr Renee White: Exactly. It was, I was, yeah, it was actually quite delicious and I was like, yeah, and you're clearing your fridge. Like, there's so much wastage in the world at the moment with food and I'm just like, no, we're clearing the fridge. What are we doing? We're just having, we're having sweet potato salad with, uh, with the eggs this morning. Today's episode, we are diving into something, as I said offline, I'm so cheeky. The majority of guests I get on here, are because I want to know personally and, uh, because I want to know personally, my girlfriends want to know personally and friends and family.

[00:12:56] Dr Renee White: Yes. Um, And we are going to talk about that in the respect of exercise and nutrition, and I guess some myths and misconceptions along the way, because there is so much, I call it fluff on the internet, Jay. That is my PC version of it. Um, so yes, we are going to pick your brain. We are going to extract all your wisdom today about this. But first of all, because I'm a, uh, science nerd. I always love definitions. So let's, let's set the bar. Can you talk us through, yes, perimenopause and menopause. Let's talk about what they are and what the differences are as well.

[00:13:49] Dr Renee White: You can absolutely say that.

[00:14:09] Jaymeila Webb: We're getting 15 second updates through reels and our algorithms, and we're overwhelmed because they all contradict each other. So we start really doubting where to go for information, and so working with people that are accredited. So, for example, I'm a dietitian, so I'm accredited through Dietitians Australia, and that's an association that I have to stick with.

[00:15:03] Jaymeila Webb: We've all heard of what Menopause means the stop, the last cycle, the last bleed for a woman and that happens at a variety of different ages for everyone. We're also uniquely independent and our cycle is exactly the same. So, what stops that last cycle is we no longer have any eggs reserved in our ovaries. And that's what we call the ovarian reserve.

[00:15:59] Jaymeila Webb: However, a lot of women that are between the age of about 35, perimenopause can start, between 35 and 40 we have this weird time zone that no one cares about. Literally, and I feel like it feeds into that patriarchal narrative of women are just crazy, women are hormonal, women are unhinged, and we've heard it all with our PMS, we've heard it all, um, after menopause too.

[00:16:55] Jaymeila Webb: Now, estrogen is important for releasing the egg out of the ovary. Egg then goes into the uterus, we have this nice lining that keeps it nice and safe and it's a good hospitable environment and then you don't fall pregnant. We shed that lining and that's what causes the bleed. So, without the egg, and without the estrogen to tell the egg to go into the uterus.

[00:18:13] Jaymeila Webb: They might be getting hot flushes. They may have brain fog. Brain fog is a really common one that I see with women and 1 that I find that comes through the clinic that women usually suffer from and feel very let down and less than is insulin resistance and, you've probably heard a lot of women in your circles, and I know that the women that I work with and also like my mum's friends, even as a kid, I remember them talking about, you know, oh I'm menopausal. I only look at a bit of lettuce and I've put on weight. I can't even think about eating food without putting on weight. And that's the insulin resistance that women are struggling with during this phase.

[00:19:07] Dr Renee White: It just sparked something in my head because there was a latest research on the changes in brain physiology of women through pregnancy. And so previously, what we knew were, you know, that people were doing like a PET or MRI scans of women in pregnancy and then postpartum, but quite recently, We had a team from the U S and it's the first time they've actually tracked them every two weeks with a single pregnant person. And they did blood work at the same time. And obviously there is this change in physiology and remodeling of the brain and they've captured a few amazing concepts. We're actually going to, um, spoiler alert, uh, we're going to have one of those researchers on the podcast, uh, in the coming weeks, but the brain fog is one of those symptoms of the brain remodeling during matrescence. I wonder if there's something else, if there's another brain remodeling going on. Do you know, like I literally am like, I have no idea about this. Have you heard of any research? Cause that's, I'm going to Google it.

[00:20:45] Dr Renee White: It's not it's not sexy science. Someone who has. Um, applied for many, many scientific grants in their lifetime. Um, it's really hard to get it over the line. Like it has to be super, super sexy science. I think when I left and I, it's gone downhill from there, people who were attempting to get. Research funding from government.

[00:21:20] Jaymeila Webb: It's way down, but oh, they'll happily fund for obesity, which I hate the O word. I don't like the O word. But really what we fail to understand quite often is, we don't understand the mechanisms and things that contribute to changes in people's body and their weight and their size. And I get really annoyed at people that are ignorant and say that it's just a choice. Quite often, there's a mechanism working in the back end and that is what I'm experiencing with my perimenopausal clients.

[00:22:35] Dr Renee White: Yes.

[00:23:11] Dr Renee White: Yes,

[00:23:42] Dr Renee White: Oh, like, you know, you chat to people like, it's annoying. Yeah, like, you know, I'm, I'm chatting to my mum about this type of stuff and it's this classic thing of like this misconception over, well, this is just how your life is, you know, from 50 onwards or, or whatever that looks like. So it's, um, it's a really kind of tough, I think, you know, especially the later years of your life, that's a tough gig to kind of just be like, I'll suck eggs on this.

[00:24:50] Jaymeila Webb: Great question. There are certainly some foods that we can take a look at to help, um, reduce some of those symptoms. Because while these symptoms are common, doesn't mean that they're always normal. We don't always have to suffer through. There's a lot of shame and stigma around hormone replacement therapy. I know that a lot of women are resistant to the idea. Which I fully respect that everybody has their own ideas and beliefs and values when it comes to health care and I'm all about informed choice.

[00:25:48] Jaymeila Webb: And I see a very large prevalence of eating disorders relapsing or being triggered for the 1st time in this age group, because eating disorders are a coping mechanism. They offer us a sense of control and women are just desperately trying to maintain a small body weight because we've been told that's what makes us valuable.

[00:26:40] Jaymeila Webb: We think that being in a calorie deficit is what we need to do to lose weight. Everybody tells us that. But what we forget is that we are a beautifully refined evolutionary being and despite our best efforts, when we under eat we are telling our evolution brain, I call it the caveman brain, but old mate thinks that we're in a bloody ice age or, you know, we're in a famine and history tells us that that means that we're at risk and we're in danger. And so we need to slow down and preserve. And there's this terminology that we use in science, it's called NEAT, which is Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis, which is random little movements that you would do in the day. So if you're talking with your hands, if you're fidgeting, if you're playing with your pen, if you happen to go for an extra walk around the block just to stretch your legs because you felt like you needed it.

[00:28:07] Jaymeila Webb: And our little mate, estrogen, and this is where we can draw from what we know from PCOS, is it plays a really important role in maintaining muscle density for women. That is one of its key roles. Yes, it does help stimulate the egg to leave the ovary to go, you know, create a baby and then have a bleed, but it is also doing other jobs for us. And so one of those is maintaining muscle density. Now, muscle is expensive. We're not supposed to store it because it burns calories when we're at rest. And so if you're in a famine, you are not going to maintain all of your muscle density, especially without estrogen now, because it's not going to be fighting hard to keep it there.

[00:29:39] Jaymeila Webb: It wants to slow you down so that you're not burning them unnecessarily. So that when the danger comes, we are ready to go. And then once the danger goes, we can go back, right? But we live in 2024. We've put ourselves in that situation that danger's never gonna come.

[00:29:57] Jaymeila Webb: But danger's also never gonna come and go. We've actually gotta tell the body we're okay, we're safe. So that starts with eating more, because classically, and I hope the women listening that are finding themselves in a perimenopausal state or in a menopause, can see how they may have fallen into this trap. And this absolutely is not designed to make anybody feel like they've missed the boat, they've done damage, that it's too little, too late.

[00:31:14] Dr Renee White: That makes so much sense though. So it does, right? Like when you explain it like that, you're like, yeah, that's, that's exactly right. And everything from the, you know, the social stigmas that we put on ourselves and things like that. I'm, I'm curious to know. So. When you say, you know, and again, are we going back to, let's go to 2000 calories a day and are there certain foods that we should be thinking about putting on our plate or are we going with our classic colour carb protein again?

[00:31:54] Dr Renee White: Get your pens and paper ladies.

[00:32:46] Jaymeila Webb: It's how we stay sane and stable. And so when women are fasting to try and reduce their calorie intake, again, we've created the famine mindset. I also say that then triggering things like binge eating. At the end of the day, so quite often we'll skip breakfast. We won't have a snack. It's usually coffee. Then are really good, and we only eat salad with a little bit of chicken or sometimes it might have an egg. That's lunch. And then we don't understand why at 3 o'clock we've gone and opened up a big old bag of biscuits and we can't stop. And then we're too full. We don't have room for dinner and then we're hungry again before we go to bed and we have another little sweet snack. Yes. Classic menopause intake.

[00:33:34] Jaymeila Webb: Whereas undereating leads to overeating and if we're overeating on those fun foods, and I call them fun foods because we do need them, yeah. I certainly don't cut them out. But if we're eating them in excess and in. And in place of other nutritious foods, that's when we can also find another reason for stacking on the weight and struggling with that insulin resistance.

[00:34:24] Jaymeila Webb: So, as we get older, the pancreas wears out. We can't help it. It's like a car that's been flogged for years. And so we've got to give it a little bit of support and we don't know the mechanism yet, but we also have this feeling that estrogen somehow plays into supporting that insulin strength and its ability to communicate effectively. That's what insulin resistance is. It's basically weakened insulin that just can't respond the way that it once did. And so we've got to give it a little hand up and sprinkling carbohydrate in throughout the day, not in a big load. Allows the body to go, okay, cool. I'm not overwhelmed. I can manage this, get this stored away and. Is insulin resistance. It's a catch 22. When the insulin isn't talking, we then have high blood sugar levels from the carbohydrate and that's not to make you all freak out about having carbs. This is not a low carbohydrate diet. This is actually encouraging you to include them, but just in a way that helps the insulin and when insulin can't talk very well, that sugar stays high.

[00:36:28] Dr Renee White: I did that. I did that. Uh, what was it 12 years ago? I think I spoke to you at the workshop about it. It's not pleasant.

[00:37:04] Jaymeila Webb: Women typically don't eat a lot of protein. We actually don't. And this is my personal dietitian clinical reasoning with protein. I actually go for a really high protein range. So Genpop is, you know, classic people just walking down the street. We'd normally say you need about 0.8 to 1 gram of protein per kilogram of your body weight every day.

[00:38:26] Jaymeila Webb: If you don't match that with carbohydrate, we're not stabilizing those sugars throughout the day. We're not supporting the insulin resistance. We're dropping those levels really, really low so that when we have carbohydrate, we have a big spike and a big response and worse if we're binging in the afternoon on the biccies and the chocolate and the chippies, because that's what we feel like we need huge insulin spike. Yeah, so we're kind of our own worst enemies by trying to promote diet culture advice.

[00:39:18] Dr Renee White: What do you see? Do you actually see people maintaining or losing weight, like what's the, I'm just trying to convey to the listeners that, you know, what you're seeing in your clinic, because I can tell you that there are probably some people thinking, holy moly, like the psychological warfare for me to, overcome and to manage this in my brain to eat more, to eat 140 grams of protein. What are the effects that you're seeing with your clients in the clinic?

[00:39:59] Dr Renee White: Yeah.

[00:40:01] Dr Renee White: That doesn't surprise me at all. No,

[00:40:34] Jaymeila Webb: Yeah, eating more is only one part of it. We also need to exercise. And we know that running miles isn't it anymore. We have got to do resistance exercise that means that we are pushing against resistant weight, whether that's body weight, whether that's external weight. So, reform of Pilates, you're lifting quite literally barbells and weights.

[00:41:48] Jaymeila Webb: Now the average Australian female needs 2000 calories. That's all I'm asking you to maintenance. We're going to start there and we'll tweak and we'll refine and we'll make it specific to you over time. But let's start there. Let's get your body out of caveman brain.

[00:42:06] Jaymeila Webb: Bring me back from the ice age. Do a re-feed. See where your body comes to. Quite often, I will see them walk back in the door in 4 weeks time, and they're astounded.

[00:42:21] Jaymeila Webb: They will start feeling better almost immediately. And in a few weeks under their belt, they know it's not just a placebo effect or, you know, Accident by chance. Oh, I happen to start this new supplement as well at the same time. And I feel amazing. Yeah, we'd like to give them about 4 to 6 weeks. And we start to see muscle density starting to increase. They feel stronger. They see after about 8 weeks. Their body composition change, so we start losing the body fat stores. And we start to see the muscle density return.

[00:43:22] Jaymeila Webb: And it's a reminder that our bodies change throughout life. Yeah, I'm going to get comfortable with that change, but I would say to you too, Renee. If you weighed the exact same weight that you weighed right now, but you had just lean muscle tone and no body fat, would you care about the number on the scale?

[00:43:57] Dr Renee White: Yeah, exactly.

[00:44:38] Jaymeila Webb: Yeah, so first of all, don't ever listen to the BMI anyway at an individual level. It's only going to be used at a population level, but yeah. We recommend 27 on the BMI up and over for an older person, because that's actually their safety range. But it's not just about being in a large body. It's about having muscle density because with age, it's really common to be frail and weak.

[00:45:37] Jaymeila Webb: And we recommend high energy, high protein diets for older people. What am I recommending my perimenopausal women do? Increase their energy, increase their protein. High energy, high protein. So, you can be resistant now. Fine. That's okay. I understand that. Everybody's at a different stage of change. But at some point, we're going to have to address it and if you start now. Aging will look healthier. You will be independent at home for longer. You'll have a stronger immune system and you're not likely going to end up in a hospital or residential facility. Earlier than necessary, right?

[00:46:42] Dr Renee White: But I think as I, as I get older, one of the things that I kind of just keep coming back to is quality of life. Like I can look like whatever, and it's something that I have had to accept. Um, you know, really kind of, as you say, that mental gymnastics of my body changing from maiden to mother, like my body does not look like it used to look like.

[00:47:33] Dr Renee White: We don't, well, I personally don't, I don't want to be, you know, complaining about not being able to pick stuff up on the ground or, you know, Hopefully I will have grandchildren and I'll be able to enjoy those. I want to be able to like pick them up and run around in a park and things like that. I can't see it being enjoyable, having sore hips, feeling like the only thing I can eat is a salad and half a grapefruit. You know what I mean? Correct. There's nothing appealing about that to me.

[00:48:21] Dr Renee White: My, my great grandma, she is famous for the one who lived to 96. She used to eat dripping on toast for breakfast. Like that was her jam. And she always had a bowl of chocolates or whatever. But that woman, She refused to go to a nursing home, but she lived independently by herself. She walked every single day. She was in the garden, you know, she was doing her own version of resistance training and she was definitely on some high fuel diet with a dripping on toast. I can tell you right now.

[00:49:21] Jaymeila Webb: And you can say that if you can get some food into them. Bit of gardening as resistance. Then their quality of life turns around. We have this wanky term, it's called re-ablement. So you lost the ability, you weren't able, and now we've supported you to bring that back, and we've re-abled. I see the same as the perimenopause and menopausal women. What are you trying to seek with being in a smaller body? Quite often, it is being validated, feeling relevant, and we think that it's going to lead to happiness. But even when you were in your smallest body, when you were younger, did you feel really happy? The end of the day, the thing that actually makes us happy is quality of life and being independent and being able to make those choices for ourselves.

[00:50:30] Dr Renee White: Yeah. 100%. Oh my God. I couldn't have said that better. Jay, I knew we were going to run out of, um, topic of time before topics, but we are going to have you back for a second podcast as well, where we're going to talk about, uh, specifically nutrition for new mums, which is, I'm so excited for that one.

[00:50:51] Dr Renee White: Yes, we're going to dive into our rapid fire, um, very, very quickly. Um, and I'm going to mod this. I always mod this based on the topic. So, our first question is, what is your top tip for mothers? And I'm going to throw in who are currently experiencing perimenopause.

[00:51:33] Jaymeila Webb: Or there's a pressure to change the way that your body looks or feels because, you know, societal expectations of what a mother should look like or what somebody should look like as they're aging. Put that to the side. We can come back to that if we need to. But right now to help you gather yourself, just pick one food that has a bit of protein, one food that has a bit of carbohydrate, and one food that has a bit of color in it, whether that be fruit or vegetables.

[00:52:19] Jaymeila Webb: I was completely overstimulated. I have ADHD and food decisions sometimes even wear me down. And I know if I pick 1 thing at a time, even if they don't go together, I can make a meal and I can be happy that that's been nourishing and supported me. It's made sense to me. So. Yeah. And I feel it. I just had this massive overwhelm about do I cook potato?

[00:53:11] Dr Renee White: So ramekin it up.

[00:53:56] Dr Renee White: I love that.

[00:54:04] Dr Renee White: Yeah,

[00:54:14] Dr Renee White: Yeah, we're going to put that on the board. Yeah.

[00:54:17] Dr Renee White: I love that. Do you have a go to resource for women experiencing perimenopause or menopause? It could be a book, a workshop, I don't know, anything.

[00:54:53] Dr Renee White: Yeah,

[00:55:17] Dr Renee White: Yeah, put it in the show notes.

[00:55:33] Dr Renee White: Yes.

[00:55:36] Dr Renee White: I'm going to give another shout out, keeping things local. If you're in Victoria, because I've actually just sent my mum to this place because my mum's in Vic, head to the Juno specialist. They're in Richmond and Dr Lucy Ryan is your go to menopause, perimenopause specialist there. She has done some great training. I'm just looking on their website now. They've got specific training in perimenopause, menopause support, including Australian Menopause Society training and regular education and conference attendance. Back to the whole thing of like, we just need people who know what the hell they're talking about, right? So don't get your information off a reel. Because how are you going to fact check that? Like, the crap that's on the internet is terrifying. Absolutely terrifying.

[00:56:31] Dr Renee White: Oh, okay. I was like, where is my brain going? Here we go. We're just working together as the dream team.

[00:56:58] Jaymeila Webb: And I hope for the generations to come that there isn't. Obviously a need, but that gets recognised and we start closing some of those gaps for womens health, but in the meantime, there will be information out there. From someone who may have found something that worked for them, but that doesn't mean that it's backed by science or backed by evidence.

[00:57:46] Jaymeila Webb: And they say it was game changing. It was perfect for me. It was wonderful. I fixed all my problems with this 1 bloody tablet. Go with curiosity. Follow your instinct and see if there's money at the end of the rainbow, because likely, I don't want you to get caught up in a scam. And I don't want people putting all their hope on something that isn't proven.

[00:58:23] Dr Renee White: Yes. 100%. 100%. Our last question, which we always ask our guests, and we borrow this one from the lovely Brené Brown.

[00:58:35] Dr Renee White: What do you keep on your bedside table?

[00:59:19] Dr Renee White: Yes, we need to talk about that because that is a topic that has come up within the friendship group. Yes,

[00:59:30] Dr Renee White: oh, it's just, it's just something that you have to deal with. I'm going to call bullshit on that. It's not true at all.

[01:00:18] Dr Renee White: I love that. Thank you so much for sharing that because yes, it is definitely one of those topics where people like, Oh my god, is this something that's only happening to me?

[01:00:55] Dr Renee White: Give me everything. How can we book in with you? Um, where do we find you on social media? Tell us all the things.

[01:01:20] Jaymeila Webb: Apparently the word Eat Nutrition is quite popular, so you can count some of the bots there. Um, but my website also is www. eatnutrition. com. au. There you can find my online booking calendar. I see clients Australia wide and internationally. So, um, there is a calendar for coming and seeing me in person. If you're local to Tassie, I have people fly down if they're interested and eager. But otherwise, we can totally connect online just on a telehealth call and you can book through either calendar depending on where you're based.

[01:02:30] Dr Renee White: But, you know, please take stock. If you're curious, if you want to know more, if you want a bit of handholding, please feel free to reach out to Jay. She's amazing. As I said, I had one workshop with her. It wasn't even one on one it was in a group and I was just like this woman has just blown my mind and also I think the thing that I really liked is that in that workshop, it was like you were giving me permission to go, actually there's a better way of doing this.

[01:03:26] Jaymeila Webb: My pleasure. And for anybody that's scared to rip the bandaid off and do the mental gymnastics and give this a go. I always say, you can go back and always just go back to what you're doing, whatever it is that you're doing right now. You can come back to it. We try it. If it works, great, if it didn't, that's fine because we don't put this, we put this as the default, right?

[01:03:48] Jaymeila Webb: What's the definition of insanity?

[01:03:51] Jaymeila Webb: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Yeah, if you're looking for a different outcome, whatever it is that you're doing right now isn't working and it's worked for you for years, but for some reason right now, it just doesn't seem to stick.

[01:04:20] Dr Renee White: yeah,

[01:04:22] Dr Renee White: Amazing. Thank you so much.

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