We're diving deep into the heart of family healing today, tackling the big question of how to transform generational pain into divine purpose. Join me, Reverend Dr. Keith Haney, as I chat with the incredibly inspiring Northern Bishop Kevin Foreman, who’s all about breaking cycles and lifting spirits. We’ll explore how our past doesn’t have to dictate our future, and Bishop Foreman shares his own journey from the streets of Memphis to becoming a beacon of hope and change. With humor, honesty, and a sprinkle of Biblical wisdom, we’ll uncover actionable steps to heal those family wounds and embrace a brighter tomorrow. So, grab your favorite drink, kick back, and let’s get ready to turn pain into purpose!

Takeaways:

• In this episode, we dive deep into the healing of generational pain and how it can be transformed into divine purpose, emphasizing that understanding our past can lead to a brighter future.
• Bishop Kevin Foreman shares his journey from a troubled upbringing in Orange Mound to becoming a respected leader, highlighting the importance of making choices that break negative cycles.
• Forgiveness is crucial in the healing process; it’s not about the other person's actions but about freeing ourselves from the chains of anger and resentment.
• To break generational curses, we must first recognize what needs healing, making the decision to change and then actively work on our individual healing journey.
• The conversation stresses that pain often precedes purpose; embracing and interrogating our pain can reveal our true calling and help transform ourselves and our families.
• As spiritual leaders, it's essential to normalize pain and the healing process, allowing individuals the freedom to express their struggles and walk with them on their journey.

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I am your host, Reverend Dr. Keith Haney.

Today's episode is one that speaks to the soul of every family.

We're diving in the transformational journey of healing the family tree.

How can we turn generational pain into divine purpose?

And joining us is Northern Bishop Kevin Foreman, a Renaissance man, a shepherd who loves deeply, and a leader who has defied the odds.

From the streets of Orange Mound in Memphis to the pulpits and beyond, Bishop form is a pastor, author, entrepreneur, philanthropist, and founder of Harvest Bible College.

He's also the visionary behind Fit to Harvest.

Fit Harvest, having shed over 95 pounds of the testament to God's desire for us to walk into his shalom, where nothing is missing, nothing is broken, and all is well.

Bishop.

Welcome to the podcast, my friend.

Thank you, sir.

Listen, so glad to be with you today.

Listen, I appreciate you for having me excited about our conversation today.

And I know it's gonna add value to of your audience and your community.

And so I'm really honored to be with you today.

I am honored too, and I am blessed by the Lord to be here.

So it's a great day.

So I'm gonna jive in to ask you my favorite go to question as we always start the podcast.

What's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

Oh, my goodness.

Keep it moving.

Keep it moving.

Keep it moving.

You know what?

Because that applies to everything.

That's spiritual, that is business, that's ministry, that's relationships, that's family.

Keep it moving.

You know, the rest of what he said was the devil can't hit a moving target.

And so if you keep it moving, that's the majority of the battle.

Keep it moving.

That keeps you out of discouragement, keeps you out of depression, keeps you out of anxiety, keeps you out of negative emotions.

Like, to me, that's the simple, that's the simplicity of it.

If you keep it moving, you'll keep growing closer to God.

You'll keep getting a becoming a better person.

Just don't stop.

Keep it moving.

I love that.

And it is right.

Devil Hart has a hard time hitting a moving target.

Yes, he does.

Listen, I'm telling you, I'm watching him.

He keeps missing.

He keeps dodging.

You know, I keep dodging him.

So.

Oh, my word.

So you've spoken a lot about your bringing in Orange Mound.

How did your early environment shape your understanding of generational pain?

Oh, my goodness.

So honestly, I was born in Denver, raised in Orange Mound.

And Orange Mound immediately post reconstruction in America was one of the several of areas they Call black Wall Street.

So it was a lot of black wealth.

It was people who did really well.

And then true with many of those areas, as a result of both policies and other things that negatively and adversely impact those areas, you saw a decline in that area, and it was an area that was riddled with the plight that comes with a lot of that.

You saw drugs, you saw gangs, you saw violence.

You saw a lot of things that weren't good.

I had to look at that environment and say, I'm in this, but I won't be this.

To add to that, my stepfather.

Have you seen the movie what's Love Got to Do With It?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

You know, I continue turning that story.

So that's what my stepfather was like.

So when I watch that movie, I'm watching often.

My stepfather, he was an abuser.

He was a womanizer.

He was so.

But at the same time, he was brilliant.

He was a very smart man.

But I watched him make a lot of bad decisions.

And so I had to behold something but decide not to become what I beheld.

And so I saw a lot of things that showed me, don't be this, don't be this, don't be this.

And, you know, true to my nature, the joke is, I came out of my mom's room with a Bible and a Bible briefcase.

And so I just came out with this affinity for spiritual things and simultaneously had this affinity for business.

And when you combine these two things together, it really created this man that was really, in many ways, this man that was made.

It's like a, you know, a Frankenstein that kind of pulled these different pieces together and made this that, you know, I mean, that's really what it was.

I had to pull different pieces that I saw.

And my grandfather saw a man of God.

You know, as a kid, I was probably the only, you know, 6, 7, 8 year old that used to watch.

There was a preacher who used to come on Friday nights.

Dr. Frederick K.C.

price out of Los Angeles, California.

And he used to come on Friday nights, and I would watch him on Friday nights.

And, you know, the song would come on, and the music was evidence.

Evidence.

I used to think as a kid, they were saying Bennett's, like the restaurant.

So I'd be like, Bennegan's.

Do do do do Bennegans.

You know, I thought, okay, I know about Bennegan's.

And.

But nonetheless, I saw that.

And the interesting thing was that that was.

My stepfather was simply repeating this generational pattern.

I call him a generational curse.

A Negative pattern of behavior that's passed down and around.

He was just repeating what he saw because his father was like that.

But what's deeper about it is he didn't see it naturally.

It was a spiritual thing cause he never met his biological father father.

It was a spiritual thing.

In fact, when his mother was pregnant with him, the mother he had tried to, his father was an abuser also.

So the mother ended up actually being the one to take his life in self defense because he was attempting to attack her.

But yet he became exactly like this man that he never met.

Hence my book Sins of the Fathers, which talks about breaking generational curses, generational pain, generational things that are passed down and around.

If I look on my paternal side, with my paternal father, he was not very close to his father and there was a lot of dysfunction in that area.

And so the point is I just had to make a decision that I'm the interruption to the dysfunction.

And everybody has to make that decision that it doesn't matter where I've been, what matters is where I'm going.

That's really interesting because I know a lot of people who come into some very broken families and very broken backgrounds.

How do you break that generational curse?

How do you not become what you have seen, been taught, learned all of your life?

So good.

I think first it starts with that, as I mentioned, that decision, the decision to say, I've seen this, but I don't want to see this again.

I don't wanna be this.

And I remember when I would see my stepfather would go on a rampage, right?

Is that I would be in the backseat reading my youth study Bible and I did this.

I'm gonna be honest, this was petty.

Me, I got a petty side.

And I'd be reading a chapter on Satan.

I just open it up to that chapter and he's going off and depending on whatever drug he had.

And he said, what are you reading, son?

I said, about the devil.

And then he'd get real quiet, he wouldn't have much to say.

But my point is that I had to, number one, make the decision.

And I remember asking God early on, because he was in and out of prison and, and what have you.

And I said, God, why don't I get a dad like everybody else?

And God said something so powerful, he said, I am protecting you, I am protecting you.

And I didn't understand the value of that until I saw what I was protected from becoming.

So number one, it starts with the decision that because I beheld it, I don't have to become it.

Number two, and really even I would say is the precursor to that is recognizing what.

What's the error?

How do you not become these things?

Sometimes people don't know what not to become because they don't know that what they've seen isn't right or isn't the best.

Like, there's another way available.

If you've only seen dysfunctional relationships, you think hollering and screaming and slamming doors and talking crazy to one another, you may think that's normal.

If you've only seen people with bad eating habits, you may think, well, this is how we eat.

This is what we just eat whatever, you know.

If you've only seen people who do certain things, you may think, well, this is normal.

So even the precursor to making that decision is recognizing what isn't right from a biblical or godly perspective.

But then, number two, what isn't beneficial?

Because maybe it's not wrong, but it's not beneficial, right?

It's not wrong.

You can eat whatever you want to eat.

That's not wrong.

I mean, you're not.

That's not wrong.

But is it beneficial to you?

I'm just using any example.

You know, it's not necessarily wrong if you desire to be in a dysfunctional relationship.

It's not wrong if that's what you desire, but it's not beneficial.

You spend so much of your life, your health, your strength, doing something that's not beneficial.

So one, what's wrong?

What's not beneficial?

That's the precursor.

And then two, making the decision, I don't want to be this.

And then number three, and I talk about this in the book.

Number three is then really evaluating your life and really being very tactical about it.

Like, let me look at my life.

What are some of my traits?

What are some of my habits?

How do I normally respond to things?

Because there's a scripture that says I was born in sin, shaped in iniquity.

It's David talking.

Shaped there means the Old English word was shapened, and was shapened in iniquity.

Iniquity is generational sin that's passed down and around.

Error.

He says I was shaped with a bunch of error.

And so what do you do?

When mama got a bad shape, her mama got a bad shape, her mama got a bad shape.

Daddy got a bad shape, his daddy.

If everybody's got bad shapes, you now are in this bad shape.

I look in your office, I see the crosses back there.

Those were shaped based on a mold.

And that's the same Thing true for us, we have been shaped based on the mold that we've been given.

And then you gotta make the decision, I'm gonna break the shape.

But you can't break the shape if you don't even know what needs to be broken.

So I love that you talk about as a family, you gotta deal with the fact that you come with unspoken trauma.

And you have to basically learn to identify that trauma and confront that.

What role, as we who are believers believe, what role does forgiveness play in that healing process?

Such a big part?

You will never be able to get past what you refuse to get past.

Forgiveness is everything.

I can talk about my stepfather because I forgave him.

I can talk about my natural father because I forgave him.

I can talk about anything from the past.

And forgiveness is this from a scriptural standpoint?

It's the Greek word of feast.

It just means I. I've released the desire to see them punished.

I've released the desire to punish them.

Unforgiveness.

I heard it said, like, this is like drinking poison and hoping the other person expires.

Right.

I've heard that.

It's ridiculous.

Forgiveness isn't for them.

It's for you.

It gives you permission to take yourself out of the prison of what was done to you and stop seeing it as something done to me, and instead recognize something was done for me.

That difference is essential.

That difference is everything.

I think really recognizing that from an unforgiveness and forgiveness standpoint is that you have to do it because you will repeat what you won't release.

So the forgiveness, it has nothing to do with them.

It has nothing to do.

I forgave before I was ever given an apology.

And more importantly, many times you will not be given an apology.

You're forgiving.

Well, they need to know they did me wrong.

But how does that affect your healing, though?

Them knowing they did you wrong, them knowing they hurt you, how does that affect your healing?

Are you holding up your healing, waiting on them to acknowledge what they did, when the reality is their acknowledgement, or lack of acknowledgement, has nothing to do with what you do moving forward in your life?

What's also powerful about that is I heard when I was preaching this one time to my congregation, I said to them, do you realize the person you're holding this anxiety for, this animosity toward probably isn't thinking about you at all?

Right.

Right.

And so you're holding space in your heart, in your life, for some, an energy for someone who's not even Thinking about what they've done to you, Right?

Absolutely.

And I think that's the whole thing.

You know, most people are so busy dealing with their own stuff, they're not thinking about your stuff.

They're not considering your stuff.

They're not considering what you did do or didn't do or how it impacted you.

You want to know one of the people I celebrate most?

My mom.

Let me tell you why.

To this day, as she continues to grow and evolve and develop, she will apologize for stuff.

And I'd be like, what are you apologizing for that for?

You know, I just didn't realize maybe when I did this, this affected you in this way.

When I did this, this affected you this way.

I salute her.

Because most people aren't that way.

Most people aren't that reflective or retrospective.

And many people are so busy dealing with their own stuff, they are just not even thinking did to you or didn't do to you.

That's very, very true.

Let's get into purpose, because I think sometimes we.

We hear that word purpose a lot.

There's a very famous book by.

The.

Bastard Saddleback Warren, Purpose Driven Life.

And you often teach about divine purpose.

How can pain, especially inherited pain, be transformed into God's divine purpose?

Oh, man, that's so good.

I think the reality is Isaiah 66, 9.

I will not allow or call, some versions say new century there to be pain without allowing something new to be born.

It is out of pain that purpose emerges.

Joseph, show me your pain.

I'll show you your role as prime minister.

Moses, show me your pain and I'll show you your role as the liberator of your people.

You look at anybody throughout Scripture and just life.

Cause the Bible says we're living epistles, so, you know, we are living scriptures that are being written.

I think pain is always the predicate, the precursor to purpose.

It is like the womb wherein purpose is developed.

You know, I look at my life and I look at, for example, the generational pain and things passing down and around that created a whole.

A home book.

But not just a book, a whole emphasis from a teaching standpoint, to show people how to break this.

Because most grown people are dealing with childhood trauma, childhood wounds.

And so you can be 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, and still dealing with stuff that happened.

And you were a kid.

Just because you age doesn't mean you matured.

Two very different things.

Paul said, when I was a child, I spoke like one, I thought like one.

But when I became a man, which means, in other words, there was this choice that I had to mature and I had to put away some of these childish things.

So I think pain is always the predicate to producing something purposeful.

I think praying is always the predicate to producing something that creates results in the life of a person.

And if you show me your pain, if you interrogate it long enough, we can quickly find your purpose.

I love that you said something I want to dig deeper into is that out of our pain, God is doing something like Isaiah talking about, see, I'm doing something new.

One of my favorite scriptures I just.

Just talked about this just recently is the story of Ezekiel at a valley of dry bones.

Yeah, I love that it wasn't until Israel had lost all hope that they were so hopeless, that they were nothing but just these.

These.

These bones that out of that, God restored a nation.

How do we, as leaders in the church, dig into people's pain?

Who?

People oftentimes don't want to deal with pain.

They wanna think about pain.

They want to avoid pain.

They wanna minimize pain.

They want to dull the pain.

How do you help them see that pain leads to purpose?

Mm.

So good.

I think this, that at the end of the day, we live in a pain relief society.

I take this.

I don't wanna feel pain.

I take this.

I don't wanna see pain.

It creates a way of thinking and a modality of thinking that says everything I should do should be to move away from pain when the reality is, it is.

You know the old song, no pain, no gain.

Embracing that pain is the game.

It doesn't mean that it's not hurtful or harmful or it doesn't, you know, it's, you know, absent feeling good.

But the reality is that it is for our good.

Romans 8, 28.

He works all things together for our good.

The good, the bad, the ugly, the painful, the painless, the difficult, the, you know, the easy.

But you know what I love about that story in Ezekiel?

And I think you're this way too.

I like to dig.

So I looked at that Hebrew word for bones, and it was so amazing.

Cause we see it as just this valley of dry bones, but bones.

Actually, etzem is the Hebrew word.

It means a valley of self, a valley of the same, a valley of pains, a valley of wood.

Now, how do you get all of that from bones?

It's saying, I'm dealing with a valley where everywhere I look, I see things about myself that I gotta deal with.

And what's interesting is that God puts him in the midst of that valley.

So There are certain valleys we face that are not because we did anything wrong.

And nothing is wrong.

God puts us there to confront and to deal with the what we will only pay attention to when he sets us in the middle of it.

Valley of the self.

Valley of self.

Valley of the same.

Sometimes you won't do something new until you get sick of the same old same.

But then the deep one there.

Valley of pains.

Pains.

Not one pain, but pains.

He says, ezekiel, I'm gonna allow you to experience some pains.

And these pains are gonna produce something.

Cause you're gonna have to start speaking to this.

You're gonna have to do something about this.

You're surrounded by it.

And what's amazing is the Bible says, and they were very dry.

And he begins to speak and God asked him a question, not to find the answer, but to see where his mind was.

Can these dry bones live?

Translation can anything good come out of this?

Can something good come out of what caused you so much hurt?

Can something good come out of what caused you so much difficulty?

And then that brings us to the last definition, which almost seems contradictory to the other ones would.

In other words, I'm going to build something from my pain.

I'm going to build something from the things that harm me and hurt me.

So I think we are against pain because our whole culture is about take this so you don't feel it.

But I think the truth is, is that pain, when it's embraced and when it's interrogated, when you open it up, when you look at it, what am I?

What's really painful to me?

What's really hurting me?

Why did I go through this?

When you begin to ask questions of not why me, but why not me?

You begin to turn pain into purpose.

Why not me?

Like, what is it?

What is it God, where are you at in this?

I love that.

So taking that a little bit step further, how can churches and spiritual leaders then better support families through this kind of deep healing work?

Ooh, this is good.

I think one by just acknowledging the reality of pain.

Sometimes I think sometimes Christians think they gotta be, I'm super Christian and I'm super believer.

And you know, the devil's putting this pain on me.

We make everything that feels wrong.

The devil.

And just cause it feels wrong doesn't mean.

Mean that it's evil or it's the enemy.

I mean Isaiah 45, God says something very interesting.

He says, I create the light and the darkness, good and evil.

His point was, is that I'm using this for your good and I think one, giving people the freedom to experience their pain, express their pain like this doesn't feel good.

I don't like this.

You know, just being able to give people the freedom to do that.

Number two, normalizing a process for healing.

You know, sometimes we wanna, in Jesus name, the pain is over.

Okay, that can happen.

But there's also some people in the scripture where the scripture says, the 10 lepers, as they went, they were healed, which means some of this is a journey.

So when you talk about spiritual leaders giving people a way where you can walk with them through their journey and recognize everybody's not the same, there are some people who have a high pain tolerance.

They can go through something on Monday, be over by Wednesday.

There are others who have to develop that pain tolerance.

They need to be walked through it.

So I think from a spiritual leadership standpoint, setting up the infrastructure for people to be able to walk through that.

Like, we created something called Therapy Tuesday just for that reason.

It became a way for us to have healing conversations and for people to deal with their issues in a group setting.

That allows them to normalize it and then also not normalize just the pain, but normalize the process of making it through the pain.

And the third thing that I would say is being transparent about your pain.

I think sometimes so many leaders like to act as if they don't have pain.

Stuff doesn't hurt, you know, what have you.

And here's what I've discovered.

You know, a lot of times people talk about church hurt.

I've discovered more as a SHEPHERD now, for 19 years, I've discovered more of the church hurt comes from the sheep to the shepherd than the shepherd to the sheep, because sheep have teeth, and those sheep bite.

And some sheep have grills, okay?

They will bite you with some gold or bite you with some platinum in their mouth.

So I think the reality is being honest about that.

I learned to just be.

I'm just very transparent about that.

I'm transparent about things that are painful, things that are difficult, because I think many pastors are not.

And that transparency, one, it's freeing for me because I don't have to pretend.

And to me, I've just never been that type of person.

I don't have to pretend.

I don't have to pretend.

Like, everything I don't go through, anything or nothing's difficult.

I don't pretend.

So it's freeing for me because I don't have to bother bottle all of that in because pastors highest occurrence of drug abuse, suicide and alcoholism, lawyers Doctors, pastors, top three professions for that type of behavior.

Why?

Because you're bottling all this stuff in and you're really good at helping everybody else with theirs.

But then who helps to help?

You know, who helps the strong?

Who helps the gladiator, who helps the warrior?

This is why, even when you look at David, we see all of his psalms.

But let's be honest, that's him that getting out all of these painful experiences that he's walking through, right?

And that's why one verse, he's like, oh, the Lord is my light and my shepherd, whom shall I fear?

The next verse, you've let my enemies come and take me, and this and that and what, you know, da, da, da.

And then the next verse.

Yet I will say of the Lord, like, he's all of this back and forth, because that's the process of healing.

The process of healing is that there's gonna be moments I feel like I got it and there's gonna be moments I feel like I don't.

That's normal.

So I think being honest about your own pain is one of the greatest things anyone that you lead could see you doing, because it helps them to normalize their pain and stop thinking that something is wrong.

Nothing is wrong.

This is normal.

So for the person hearing this, who's going, yes, I wanna pour into this, I wanna break this generational brokenness in my family.

What are some practical steps you would say for someone who's like, today, I wanna begin healing my family.

True.

Oh, this is good.

One, let's identify where it needs to be healed.

Preference doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem.

You may prefer your mom to say something a certain way, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the way she said it was necessarily a problem.

You might prefer people to do things a certain way, but you know, it doesn't necessarily mean that there's a problem.

So one, where does there actually need to being healed?

Healing what's actually broken, what actually needs to be addressed.

That's number one.

Number two, after identifying what needs to be addressed, as I mentioned earlier, then not only acknowledge that, but look at the parts that you can do on your own.

Not needing anyone else from your family, not needing anyone else from around you.

Because when you begin to heal, healed people hear different.

Healed people see different.

Healed people speak different.

Healed people sense and feel different.

Healed people taste different.

All of your senses are different when you're healed.

Think about it.

If you've ever had a cold or a flu or anything like that you didn't, you know, sometimes your ears get little cloudy, your taste buds, you can't really taste.

That's not just true naturally, that's true in every facet of life, is that when you're not well, you don't.

Your senses are not well either.

So as you begin to do the individual work, and we talk about this in the books and the followers, but I've done a toddler teaching about it.

Full disclosure, I give 100% of my book proceeds to the church.

I've never taken a dollar.

So me mentioning the book is not too personally enriched myself.

Just, just, just full disclosure for everybody watching.

He's been to that book a few times.

It's just to get you the resources.

So that's full disclosure about that.

All right.

But in that, because it really requires.

I'm a big believer in following principles.

God honors principles.

He doesn't honor persons, he honors principles.

And when people follow those principles, then those principles give people productivity and progress.

But what can I do individually that doesn't require anybody else?

And from there, initiating the conversations, this is something we do in my family.

We have conversations to talk about the past and the present, present and the future, where we're able to evaluate those things and really see where there can be healing, where there can be transformation, where there can be an acknowledgement.

Well, you know, I didn't even know that.

I didn't even know I did that.

I didn't even know I did that.

I didn't even know I did that.

Now I use my brother and sister, for example, that grew up with me, they'll sometimes talk about as adults, they'll say, you know, Bishop was, he was intense.

He was, you know, he was this, he was that, he was that.

But they're both very, very successful individuals.

So they attribute their success to the fact that I, as the older brother, but really it was more selective, Father, that the discipline and the business acumen and the opportunity I gave them within the ministry or business or whatever, it might be that it contributed to their success as individuals today.

And so I think when you evaluate that, look at that, it is one of those things that conversations, I believe conversations can bring healing.

James, chapter 5.

Confess your sins one to another.

In other words, talk about it, that you might be healed.

And so I think those simple steps are really a high level view of how you begin, how you begin that process, especially with family.

And recognize everybody may not get it, everybody may not want to talk about it.

That's why you start with you, because you are never responsible for somebody else's healing or somebody else's journey.

Journey.

I love that.

So, Bishop, this has been a very powerful conversation, but before we begin to wrap all this up, I want to ask these my.

My favorite question.

What do you want your legacy to be?

That he reached as many people as he could, while he could.

You know, when you look in the Bible, the.

The.

The priests had their inheritance was a little different than some of the other tribes.

For some, their inheritance was the people.

And I think for me, what I want my legacy to be when I exit the earth is that he lived his life to fulfill what God sent him to the earth to do, and he reached as many people as he could, while he could.

And I know that may sound cliche, but that really is it.

You know, sometimes when I have my little human moments, which we all have, and I.

You know, and you can kind of go through your God, what did you do?

Like Charlton Heston from Ten Commandments.

Like, what have I left undone?

My statement is this.

Like Hezekiah said to the Lord, lord, I have lived my life for you.

And that's the truth.

The Lord has had.

I've been, you know, this has been my life since 12.

And really, technically before that, I don't know, another life other than living my life.

Not a perfect man by any stretch of the imagination, but I've lived my life for his glory.

I've lived my life so that lives could be transformed and changed.

And while tens of thousands have been, there's so much more than I'm sent to the Earth to do it.

I want the legacy to be that that man did what he could to reach people for God's glory, and he made an indelible mark in the earth that cannot be erased.

Buildings can be knocked down, you know, statues can be torn down, but what you do in the lives of a person lives fore ever.

That's great.

So in season six of the podcast, we have a surprise question.

Pick a number between 1 and 6 for your surprise question.

Oh, okay, here we go.

Let's go, let's go, let's go.

Hey, I'm gonna go with five.

I'm gonna go with five.

Let's go with five.

All right, so your surprise question is.

Oh, I love this.

If you get stuck in the elevator and were forced to listen to only one song, what song would you pick?

Stuck in the elevator.

Okay.

How long?

Just stuck.

Period?

Forever.

Just stuck.

Yeah.

Ah.

Oh, my goodness.

Oh, goodness.

Listen, if I'm stuck in the elevator, I'm gonna want to dance.

So I'm gonna want to.

I need something to move.

So listen, I would say.

You know what?

This is gonna be crazy.

Okay?

Now, this is.

This is not necessarily a gospel song or a Christian song.

Okay?

So let me just.

Let me just say this, okay?

It's not that, but I would probably pick.

I would probably do.

This is what comes to mind.

I would probably do cameo.

Something from the group Cameo.

I know it's crazy.

I probably do something to group cameo because there's stuff you could get up and dance and move to and all that.

I have to.

If I'm stuck in the elevator, I do not want some slow worship playing.

I'll worship him, but I got to worship him with a guru.

I got to worship him with some music.

I cannot just.

So, yeah.

So that's what comes to mind.

I don't know why that's what comes to mind.

That's what comes to mind.

That is a crazy question.

I love it.

That's so great.

So, Bishop, where can people find you and learn more about you?

Great question.

On all the social media.

Bishopforman.

B I S H O P F O R E M A N is the best way people can connect that way.

And then the website, bishopforman.com, books are there.

Our app is there, music messages.

So much more is available.

And this book that I made reference to a few times, Sins of the Fathers, it's there.

Then another book called Evolutionaries, Unlocking the New You.

Everybody's got a new you in you.

You're always evolving.

You're never going back to who you used to be.

One of my other books, Making Money Moves.

The Art of Getting youg Finances In Order.

I wrote that book after going through a financial valley, even after being a faithful giver.

And I said, God, why am I in this valley?

So I'm gonna anoint you financially.

And so walking through that book, and so, you know, all those resources there, tons of messages.

Our YouTube, all that.

Bishopformer.com.

all the social platforms.

Bishopforman.

Let me just look for the blue check.

Cause TikTok has five pages of, like, 20 on each page.

So like, a hundred fake profiles.

No joke.

Oh, my word.

It's like a hundred fake Profiles now on TikTok.

Just look for the ones with the blue check.

Because there are tons, literally.

I just got another list right here I'm looking at right now of fake profiles.

So it's only me if it's got the blue check.

Well, thank you, Bishop.

Kevin Foreman.

For your wisdom.

Thank you.

Your transparency for your heart, for healing.

If today's episode stirred something in you, remember you are not bound by your bloodline.

You are blessed to break cycles and build something new.

Until next time, Keep walking in purpose.

Keep healing.

Keep believing that your family tree can flourish again.

Thank you so much.