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The Turnaround
Episode 123rd September 2025 • The Phil Lewis Podcast • Phil Lewis
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Mark Watson was brought in, as a relative outsider, to change the fortunes of a loss-making part of global marketing business tms. He talks with Phil about the challenges he faced, the tools he used to get the job done, and how the experience has shaped his mindset as a leader.

In the second part of the episode, Phil and fellow consultant Steve Hearsum consider the wider leadership lessons that can be learned from Mark's story.  

LINKS:

Article about hero leadership: https://www.philhq.com/hungry-for-heroes/

More information about tms: https://www.tmsw.com

More information about Steve Hearsum: https://www.edgeandstretch.com

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