In this episode Rich and Paul take you on a wonderful tour across Brooklyn's diversity, through the multiple "little" diverse communities there. For this episode specifically Rich and Paul created a board for Brooklyn, on Aboard - the sponsor of this podcast. Tune in and join the board to add your take on Brooklyn!
Rich, how you doing?
Rich Ziade:I'm doing real good.
Rich Ziade:How you doing?
Rich Ziade:How you doing?
Paul Ford:I so thank you for that.
Paul Ford:The way you just pronounced.
Paul Ford:That is perfect for where I'm taking us.
Rich Ziade:where you taking it?
Paul Ford:I was walking in today.
Paul Ford:I took a picture.
Paul Ford:I shared it with you on WhatsApp and with your brother.
Paul Ford:Uh,
Paul Ford:there was a, a fruit delivery truck by the bodega on the new Kirk Avenue
Paul Ford:stop when I was headed over here.
Rich Ziade:Okay, cool.
Rich Ziade:lots of food delivery trucks
Paul Ford:This was, this was the fruit company?
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Paul Ford:Okay.
Paul Ford:And it was, um, it just a big, I love the era we live in, in which
Paul Ford:people just are able to print four colored giant posters of everything.
Paul Ford:It's like when you go by the bodega name of the picture of all the sandwiches.
Rich Ziade:there's an excellent Twitter account.
Rich Ziade:That's just art from that
Paul Ford:I love it.
Paul Ford:I love it.
Paul Ford:I love the sign.
Paul Ford:If, if, if I really was given over to Fun and frolic, I would buy a sign store
Paul Ford:in Brooklyn and just go live out of it.
Rich Ziade:Oh, it's just like, oh, where's the roast beef?
Rich Ziade:It's like literally flying sandwiches, ba slamming into each other and it
Rich Ziade:just says, you know, 14th Street Deli.
Paul Ford:Oh yeah, the bodega.
Paul Ford:I've seen some good ones too.
Paul Ford:I, I, there was one store where for about a week it said you
Paul Ford:could get cigarettes and beagles.
Paul Ford:That was good.
Paul Ford:Uh, and the one near my house just pronounced, ha, they,
Paul Ford:they didn't pronounce, they just spelled Hamburger Hamburg.
Paul Ford:So that, that's good too.
Paul Ford:I love the misspellings, but.
Paul Ford:The banana truck, the the fruit store
Rich Ziade:Yeah.
Paul Ford:Big picture on the back of the truck, like the whole thing is taken over
Paul Ford:a picture of fruit and we're right in very fancy type in memory of Johnny Bananas.
Paul Ford:r i p r i p, Johnny Bananas.
Paul Ford:It's
Paul Ford:just a great moment and
Rich Ziade:that is an extremely Brooklyn, potentially Staten Island moment.
Paul Ford:just, yeah, exactly.
Paul Ford:It's just, there's just this, there's something that happens only here where
Paul Ford:it's actually both hilarious and touching.
Paul Ford:And it really is.
Paul Ford:In memory of Johnny Bananas,
Rich Ziade:it really, you know, just let's, can we take
Rich Ziade:five seconds of silence for
Rich Ziade:you know what I love about Brooklyn?
Paul Ford:I love a lot about Brooklyn, frankly.
Rich Ziade:It's anti assimilation.
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Paul Ford:It, it, it's, it's,
Rich Ziade:it's just like you want to go to Pakistan, get
Rich Ziade:in a cab for eight minutes.
Paul Ford:It's true.
Paul Ford:I live, I live next to little Bangladesh.
Rich Ziade:It's just this wild
Paul Ford:Haiti isn't far away either.
Rich Ziade:Yeah, and look, there's, there's a bit of
Rich Ziade:that in the other boroughs.
Rich Ziade:Let's be honest, Queens's, probably the MO like runs a close second.
Rich Ziade:Maybe Bronx, Manhattan is annoying.
Rich Ziade:Manhattan is like, okay, I got my master's degree and I'm coming back
Rich Ziade:into the city to work for kpmg.
Rich Ziade:Nothing against kpmg.
Rich Ziade:We are, you know, they did
Paul Ford:we'd love the demo aboard to
Rich Ziade:We'd love to demo board to you, but look, it's a
Rich Ziade:little, it's a little homogeneous and it's, you know, it's a lot
Rich Ziade:of the, you know, where'd you go?
Rich Ziade:Oh, Michigan.
Rich Ziade:Congrats.
Paul Ford:they, you get into those giant apartment buildings
Paul Ford:where everyone is exactly the
Rich Ziade:Yeah.
Rich Ziade:and
Rich Ziade:you know, I am an immigrant.
Rich Ziade:Uh, I came to
Paul Ford:You don't say
Rich Ziade:I am, and, and, and the funny thing about, you know,
Rich Ziade:Brooklyn is why do like people create these sort of concentrated
Rich Ziade:pockets of different nationalities?
Rich Ziade:It's because when they come here, they're like, go there
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Rich Ziade:asap.
Rich Ziade:Like, go there.
Rich Ziade:You're, you're Arabic, go to Bay Ridge, you're.
Rich Ziade:Greek go to Astoria Queens, like they're told to go where
Rich Ziade:it is a little familiar to them.
Paul Ford:I can't remember what it's either little Pakistan or
Paul Ford:little Bangladesh, but in there is a na, the neighborhood I'm in.
Paul Ford:Has little, lots of little
Rich Ziade:Yeah.
Paul Ford:One of them is simply because there was a dam that was built.
Rich Ziade:Okay.
Rich Ziade:And
Paul Ford:And it it wrecked a lot of communities.
Paul Ford:And so the people who whose lives were disrupted by the
Paul Ford:dam were brought, came over.
Rich Ziade:I see.
Paul Ford:And they all settled in this one neighborhood.
Paul Ford:And
Rich Ziade:and they tend to stick together.
Rich Ziade:Like
Paul Ford:And you can get an amazing like curried goat dish to this day.
Rich Ziade:Right, exactly.
Rich Ziade:And, and, and I think what happens is when people find that sort of pocket
Rich Ziade:of culture, they can sort of slip right into, cuz it's familiar to them.
Rich Ziade:They don't shed it,
Rich Ziade:they shed it when they move, like, I got a job in, in, in Charleston, then
Rich Ziade:they start to shed it and it gets weird.
Paul Ford:Then the kids are named James.
Rich Ziade:Yeah.
Rich Ziade:And look, that's all fine.
Rich Ziade:That's not a bad thing, but GR Brooklyn is, you ever see those like little
Rich Ziade:pads you put out for like bugs?
Rich Ziade:It's very sticky.
Rich Ziade:Yeah.
Rich Ziade:Like if you get it on your hand by mistake, you gotta have to like war
Rich Ziade:Rin, like you have to run warm water.
Paul Ford:You know what's funny that we should, we should be clear.
Paul Ford:Like I went, I went by, there was this huge street fair.
Paul Ford:And it was not for the white people, it was for the mostly Pakistani community.
Paul Ford:But everybody was there.
Paul Ford:Right.
Paul Ford:And I, and I got, I bought some samosas and like hung out for a while.
Paul Ford:Like it's not, when you say non assimilationist, and I think when people
Paul Ford:think about New York City, they're gonna think about like a Spike Lee film.
Paul Ford:Yeah,
Rich Ziade:yeah.
Paul Ford:reality is like you're just kind of riding your bike or
Paul Ford:walking around and you're like, oh cool, you guys are having a good
Rich Ziade:I might be using the word wrong.
Rich Ziade:What I mean by assimilate is like shedding some of your past
Paul Ford:No, no, I think you're totally right.
Rich Ziade:It kind of can't be, we're too jammed together.
Rich Ziade:Seeing an old Polish couple walk around Williamsburg.
Rich Ziade:Confused is still a funny thing to this day.
Paul Ford:what is this?
Paul Ford:Why are they selling a mink ottoman with coffee?
Paul Ford:Like, I don't
Paul Ford:I wanted Pirogi
Rich Ziade:and, and I think that's what it's beautiful about Brooklyn.
Rich Ziade:Uh, you can't, I mean, look, there are all kinds of Brooklyn, uh, in Brooklyn.
Rich Ziade:Brooklyn is a
Paul Ford:Well, and, and the Brooklyn that is now the
Paul Ford:global brand of Brooklyn Yeah.
Paul Ford:Is.
Paul Ford:Actually a very large city unto itself, but a very small part of Brooklyn.
Rich Ziade:That's a, I live in the global brand of Brooklyn.
Rich Ziade:I live in a neighborhood called Park Slope in Brooklyn, uh, which is connected
Rich Ziade:to Cobble Hill and Brooklyn Heights, which are these really, really sort
Rich Ziade:of, I, I'll say the word gentrified, gentrified pockets within Brooklyn.
Rich Ziade:That changed a lot.
Rich Ziade:Like Smith Street in Brooklyn used to be a
Paul Ford:This is like, you're on like four layers of, of gentrification over
Rich Ziade:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rich Ziade:But there are po
Paul Ford:like you're at a point now where when you move
Paul Ford:in, you're kicking out lawyers.
Rich Ziade:Yes,
Rich Ziade:Yes, yes, Which, you know, people are, some are in favor of, um, but you
Rich Ziade:still have, you know, neighborhoods like Bay Ridge, which were, is where
Rich Ziade:I grew up, which is still extremely Italian and extremely cannoli like
Paul Ford:like it is.
Paul Ford:It is Bay Ridge oi.
Paul Ford:Can you get a good Greek meal?
Paul Ford:Oh my, oh my
Rich Ziade:beautiful restaurants there, but it's truly, it really
Rich Ziade:has not changed that much.
Rich Ziade:It
Rich Ziade:hasn't changed.
Paul Ford:Cops and firemen still live there
Rich Ziade:And, and you like, to your point, you know, along the Coney Island
Rich Ziade:Avenue corridor, it hasn't changed that
Paul Ford:I always, I always felt that there, well, Coney Island
Paul Ford:Avenue is Mi miraculous street.
Paul Ford:If you're ever in New York City and you want a real New York City
Paul Ford:and not even little like, hey, the insiders New York City, but
Paul Ford:the one that no one will show you.
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Paul Ford:Go to Coney Island Avenue
Rich Ziade:the one the New Yorkers don't want to take you
Paul Ford:Yeah, just walk down Coney Island Avenue as long as you can.
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Paul Ford:And it is like, Oh, I'm in Aer Baja.
Paul Ford:Oh, I'm at a tire store.
Paul Ford:Like I'm, I'm in the, the cultural shifts that happened on that block.
Paul Ford:I absolutely love that block.
Paul Ford:So, or that, that street, um, I always felt that there should be a neighborhood
Paul Ford:because, you know, as my career was moving along, I'd go meet people at
Paul Ford:places like Conde Nast and they'd be like, Oh, you live in Brooklyn and they
Paul Ford:might know like one or two neighborhoods.
Paul Ford:Yeah, and I've always lived further out and I just came up with the idea
Paul Ford:of way Falbo, which is my neighborhood, which is way the fuck out in Brooklyn.
Paul Ford:Just easier for people to understand.
Rich Ziade:I mean, that is still relevant today.
Paul Ford:Yeah, they know where you are.
Paul Ford:They know the slope.
Paul Ford:They know the heights.
Paul Ford:They know Cobble Hill and Carol Gardens.
Paul Ford:Anywhere that like Maggie Gillen Hall might be found, they tend to be aware
Rich Ziade:I think it's Gillen Hall
Paul Ford:Is it Or a scars guard?
Paul Ford:They like a good scars guard.
Paul Ford:I
Rich Ziade:think it's scars.
Rich Ziade:Gerd, no, I don't know about, I don't know the right answer for either
Paul Ford:But I live in way falbo.
Paul Ford:I go to Coney Island or to the Rockaways on the weekends.
Paul Ford:I don't go into the city.
Rich Ziade:Right.
Rich Ziade:You go the other way.
Rich Ziade:Yeah, and I know Mill Basin and Keni, I lived there for a bit too.
Rich Ziade:These are like,
Paul Ford:are not good.
Paul Ford:Mill Basin is if you want to be, if you want a guy in a forerunner to get out and
Paul Ford:punch you in the face, that's Mill Basin.
Paul Ford:So look, what are some of the best things in Brooklyn, Richard?
Paul Ford:What are what?
Paul Ford:Let's, let's each name like three or four things we
Paul Ford:absolutely
Rich Ziade:minute per,
Paul Ford:And I'll tell you while we did this, the funniest thing
Paul Ford:happened is we were just gonna do this as regular old content.
Paul Ford:And this is where it gets marketing ready for some marketing.
Rich Ziade:Yeah, go ahead.
Paul Ford:and I have a product that we are co-founders of.
Paul Ford:We've been building for a while.
Rich Ziade:Yes.
Rich Ziade:It's called a A board.
Paul Ford:Very good.
Paul Ford:Thank you for getting there.
Paul Ford:I almost forgot.
Paul Ford:And, uh, a board lets you organize your passions, lets you put stuff together
Paul Ford:into cards and you stack them up and now you can share them with anybody.
Paul Ford:Yes.
Paul Ford:So while we were talking and I was saying like, well, here's
Paul Ford:some content we could create.
Paul Ford:You looked at me and you went and we could use our own product here to organize
Paul Ford:the things that we like about Brooklyn.
Paul Ford:Totally.
Paul Ford:And so, Five minutes before we did this podcast, which let, let me be clear.
Paul Ford:Usually we prepare for days, but today it just happened to be five minutes.
Paul Ford:Yes.
Paul Ford:Just a, just a coincidence.
Paul Ford:Um, I made a board and we started to go through and add a few things to him.
Paul Ford:We haven't added many things to it, but I'm gonna look, we're
Paul Ford:each gonna say things we love about Brooklyn, some history, some
Paul Ford:food, and just a generic place.
Paul Ford:We'll do one of
Paul Ford:each.
Rich Ziade:Yeah.
Rich Ziade:And look, we're not Brooklyn experts.
Rich Ziade:If you are in Brooklyn and you have things to add to, uh, our space, uh, let us know.
Rich Ziade:Email us at hello@zitiford.com and we'll invite you in.
Paul Ford:in.
Paul Ford:Okay?
Paul Ford:Yeah, that's right because anyone can be part of this board.
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Paul Ford:So, alright.
Paul Ford:I'm gonna start with, I'm gonna, I'm gonna actually knock out you,
Rich Ziade:a minute.
Rich Ziade:I'm gonna make my We can talk one per minute and we're gonna share
Rich Ziade:five of the cards on the board.
Rich Ziade:And there it may have a lot more by the time you see it.
Paul Ford:Okay, I'm gonna start with a downer, but it's not really a downer.
Paul Ford:Greenwood Cemetery.
Paul Ford:You ever been there?
Rich Ziade:That sounds like a blast.
Paul Ford:Greenwood Cemetery is this deeply historic and
Paul Ford:it's about 150 plus years old.
Paul Ford:It's founded in 1838,
Rich Ziade:Okay.
Paul Ford:it is one of my favorite places in Brooklyn.
Paul Ford:It is the size of Prospect Park,
Rich Ziade:Is that right?
Paul Ford:close.
Paul Ford:Yeah, it's not quite as big, but it is big.
Paul Ford:Okay.
Paul Ford:It is the site of a Revolutionary War battle.
Rich Ziade:Oh boy.
Paul Ford:has the highest point in Brooklyn, and it is historically
Paul Ford:important, filled with Wild Mausoleum, some of which were designed by Tiffany,
Rich Ziade:Whoa.
Paul Ford:Tiffany Glass, and it's one of the actually most beautiful
Paul Ford:settings and environments in the fibers,
Rich Ziade:but it has a lot of deceased people
Paul Ford:yeah, but I'll tell you what,
Paul Ford:that's Oh, okay.
Paul Ford:What's, do you got one or you want me to keep going?
Rich Ziade:I've got one full disclosure.
Rich Ziade:Uh, it is a landmarked location.
Rich Ziade:Uh, well, full disclosure.
Rich Ziade:Well, I'll do the full disclosure
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Paul Ford:You,
Rich Ziade:It's in Brooklyn Heights, which is one of the
Rich Ziade:most expensive, exclusive, fancy neighborhoods in Brooklyn.
Rich Ziade:Uh, and they make a good sandwich.
Rich Ziade:And there's a really salty proprietor named Frank who runs it, who just
Rich Ziade:yells at actually some of the most important and influential people
Rich Ziade:in New York City because they want more mayonnaise on their sandwich.
Rich Ziade:He just yells at everyone, and it's actually pretty hilarious.
Rich Ziade:It's called Brooklyn Heights Deli.
Paul Ford:Mm-hmm.
Rich Ziade:Full disclosure, um, Frank is my uncle.
Rich Ziade:I've known him my entire life.
Rich Ziade:He's actually a big teddy bear, which is why I think most people love him, uh,
Rich Ziade:even though he yells at everyone, like it's on the same physical block as the,
Rich Ziade:uh, The education commissioner's home.
Rich Ziade:Sure.
Rich Ziade:When you become Commissioner of Education in New York City, you, you live in like a
Rich Ziade:mansion, like a mayor's mansion and they, I guess they probably have this for other.
Rich Ziade:And so there's all these prominent figures come in the place often gets shut down
Rich Ziade:to film, uh, TV shows and movies cuz it's like this beautiful idyllic little shop.
Rich Ziade:But he is a salty, angry Lebanese guy who makes a preposterously
Rich Ziade:large roast beef sandwich.
Paul Ford:Little story about that place, even though we're gonna run
Paul Ford:outta time, but it's a good story.
Paul Ford:Um, my twins were born at Long Island College Hospital.
Paul Ford:Right around the corner, From the Brooklyn Heights
Rich Ziade:That's right.
Paul Ford:So when you have kids, you, it's not like they're gonna
Paul Ford:cater, you don't get hospital food.
Paul Ford:Like you don't, they don't bring you anything.
Rich Ziade:Go to Brooklyn Heights Deli.
Paul Ford:I went, that was my first sandwich after I
Paul Ford:got my, the twins were born.
Paul Ford:I went and got a sandwich and uh, I told the guys like, yeah,
Paul Ford:I just had kids at the hospital.
Paul Ford:And he was like, oh hey, congratulations.
Paul Ford:And I gave him a good tip, but I don't think it was Frank, but
Rich Ziade:probably wasn't Frank.
Rich Ziade:He wouldn't have said congratulations.
Rich Ziade:He was like, welcome to hell buddy.
Rich Ziade:All right.
Rich Ziade:You're up.
Paul Ford:Um, well, you know, I'm gonna keep it real with sandwiches.
Paul Ford:This is a place you don't know this place.
Rich Ziade:I don't.
Paul Ford:Red hook, red hook down, down
Rich Ziade:Red Hook is,
Paul Ford:Yeah, you keep going, you keep going until you get to the water off.
Paul Ford:You start at the Brooklyn Heights Deli and you actually just
Paul Ford:keep walking down Court Street.
Rich Ziade:What's it called?
Paul Ford:it called?
Paul Ford:Devonte's.
Paul Ford:It's a sandwich shop.
Rich Ziade:Okay.
Paul Ford:And it's just, there is a, a good Brooklyn sandwich
Paul Ford:is a is a hell of a thing.
Rich Ziade:It's a, it's a thing.
Paul Ford:The deli sandwich is one thing.
Paul Ford:And Frank Frank's place makes amazing deli sandwiches.
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Paul Ford:These are kind of the next level full on chicken parm, like everything's hot,
Paul Ford:the meatball sub, that kind of thing.
Paul Ford:Sandwich
Rich Ziade:you It's hard to finish it.
Rich Ziade:It's so freaking
Paul Ford:It's a medically difficult sandwich.
Paul Ford:Since I went on Manjaro, I don't actually want to go there very much.
Paul Ford:Um, it's
Rich Ziade:an experience.
Rich Ziade:Red hook's a weird part of Brooklyn.
Rich Ziade:So if you're coming into Brooklyn, check out Red Hook.
Paul Ford:Correct.
Paul Ford:All right, rich, back to you.
Rich Ziade:All right.
Rich Ziade:Um, alright, well we're on restaurants.
Rich Ziade:I'll do one more restaurant and then you do one more and we'll call it a day here.
Paul Ford:Well wait.
Paul Ford:That was 1, 2, 3.
Paul Ford:Okay.
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Paul Ford:Four, five.
Paul Ford:There we go.
Rich Ziade:There we go.
Rich Ziade:Um, so I grew up in Bay Ridge for many of my years, uh, and there is an Italian
Rich Ziade:restaurant there called Ponte Vecchio that is named after Ponte Vecchio
Rich Ziade:probably, which is I think a bridge.
Paul Ford:It's a famous bridge in Venice, or one of those things.
Paul Ford:Yeah.
Rich Ziade:Anyway, if you want an absolutely authentic, un ironic, just.
Rich Ziade:An excellent Italian dinner with like a real, like deep in Brooklyn vibe.
Rich Ziade:You kind of can't beat Ponte Vecchio.
Rich Ziade:I'll, I'll, I'll, I'm gonna imitate one of the waiters, greeting someone that
Rich Ziade:walked in with one word and you will get
Paul Ford:okay.
Paul Ford:Ready?
Paul Ford:I'm ready.
Rich Ziade:So the guy walks in, the waiter sees him from across the restaurant
Rich Ziade:and he goes, Jimmy, And that was it.
Rich Ziade:And then you're like, okay, let's, let's have some linguini and white clam.
Rich Ziade:All right, so Paul, you've got number five,
Paul Ford:Jimmy.
Paul Ford:Uh, it's real.
Paul Ford:It's, it's, um, uh, number five is,
Paul Ford:Not exactly one place, but it is this, it's, you go, you can ride
Paul Ford:your bike down the beautiful and well maintained bike path on Bedford Avenue
Rich Ziade:Uh huh
Paul Ford:And you can, you get to, um, you can either keep going
Paul Ford:to sheep's head Bay, but you can actually use this and you can.
Paul Ford:Kind of go down, go to Chief Tab Bay, take a left.
Paul Ford:There's more and more bike paths until you get to the Rockaways.
Paul Ford:And the Rockaways is one of the best beaches in the world.
Paul Ford:I, I will argue for that.
Paul Ford:It is an open public beach.
Paul Ford:It's vast, and it is filled with humans.
Paul Ford:I mean, if you're looking for, like, I'm gonna walk quietly on the beach
Paul Ford:in a linen sweater, and, you know,
Rich Ziade:this might not be for you.
Paul Ford:rich people, thoughts, that's, that's not this beach.
Paul Ford:But this is like, I want to see everyone in humanity, everyone.
Rich Ziade:Everyone's coming
Paul Ford:and I kind of want to go swimming and it should be pretty
Paul Ford:like, like nice to go swimming.
Rich Ziade:Yeah.
Rich Ziade:It's wor it works
Paul Ford:there's a toilet like that.
Paul Ford:That's the Rockaways.
Paul Ford:Rockaways are great.
Paul Ford:So that there, there's just good public infrastructure to get you out
Paul Ford:to the beach and everybody's going.
Paul Ford:So that's, it's summer's coming.
Paul Ford:Uh, do it.
Rich Ziade:I'm gonna throw a bonus one out there and only take 20 seconds for
Paul Ford:Okay.
Paul Ford:I'm ready.
Paul Ford:There's
Rich Ziade:a ridiculous, uh, fast food place that you would think had hundreds
Rich Ziade:of locations, but I think has one.
Paul Ford:Oh, it's not too fast though.
Rich Ziade:It's not too fast.
Rich Ziade:It's called Roland Roaster.
Rich Ziade:in sheep's head bay.
Rich Ziade:I kid you not, if you turn the lights out and look at the sandwich, and if
Rich Ziade:you got the roast beef with cheese, the cheese glows so brightly that
Rich Ziade:it could light the room you're in.
Paul Ford:I think everyone who can tolerate roast beef should
Paul Ford:go to roll and roast, right?
Paul Ford:It is truly one of the most fantastic experiences in Brooklyn.
Paul Ford:Look up the commercial online.
Paul Ford:yeah, it, it hasn't changed.
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Rich Ziade:Cuz Brooklyn is 5 million people
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