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Chaos Walking was a pandemic era flop, but that means less than nothing nowadays. A 100 million dollar adaptation of The Knife of Never Letting Go by Patrick Ness, drafted by Charlie Kaufman, starring Tom Holland and Daisy Ridley, and directed by Doug Liman.
We watched this movie on Hulu, but unsurprisingly it is already gone. The film is available for rent on Apple and Amazon and is streaming on Fubo (what is that?)
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Chaos Walking
Scott: [:Frank: blockbuster Hollywood and the independent
Scott: video store are over. But the days of searching the shelves for hidden gems and overlook call classics is never ending. Join us while
Frank: we drown in a sea of streaming options and ask the question, what the hell
Scott: is a good movie.
Anyway, I'm Frank I'm
Frank: Scott and we are the last video store clerks.
I mean, cuz I got the series X. Oh. Once I made this change, I was like, well I might put that in the living room, but I don't know.
Scott: It just didn't oh yeah. That's where the PlayStation is. It's out there. Kelly plays the Sims on it. Like Sims 4, cuz they never make new games. I,
Frank: I feel like if I set it up out there and she goes to her profile, I'm gonna be tempted to put her on gold, the live membership then what?
Then we've got two live membership just so they could play a game every now and
ey and does none of the work [:that's what she does.
Frank: Oh, that's awesome.
Scott: She's like, like we were with grant theft out of three. Like nobody fucking, not a single
Frank: person. You're like unlimited money. Unlimited armor.
Scott: Yeah. You could make your car jump. Yeah.
Frank: Hey, that GTA three though, that one gang did have cars. That jump. Well, that
Scott: was always the thing.
When they would be like, those games are violent. Your car can't jump kids. Know your car. Can't jump.
Frank: Come on. you know, I told you I've had a busy week. Mm-hmm like, it's just been busy. I bought two new games Monday. I've gotten to play an hour. Maybe it's a mistake. I bought two new games on a, I haven't been able to touch either one.
I
Scott: am playing the quarry really slow for a 10 hour long
Frank: game. Well, I got the new saints row. I was a pretty big fan of the saints row series. It was just always weird. It looks like shit.
Scott: It
Frank: does look like [:Scott: This has become a video game podcast. No, it's fine.
Frank: I think somebody out there might relate it.
If you played the other ones, it was just crazy. Yeah. You know, it was what, the, the crazy shit that grant theft photo was missing. And it wasn't quite grant theft auto though. I
Scott: watched somebody play it on YouTube mm-hmm and looks like that game was made 15 years ago. I was like, why would you pay, what did they charge $70 for a fucking video game now?
Well,
Frank: a couple of games ago, or was it the most re there's? One of 'em where the opening sequence you're climbing up a rocket that's been launch. And the Aerosmith song from Armageddon is playing while you're scaling the rocket, trying to get to the top to do some shit. It was epic. I was like, oh my God, this is crazy.
You can beat people with dildos in that game. It was just something different.
Scott: I did at one point, download a game called, uh, it was like boner town or something like that. Oh, where it was like, Shitty grand theft auto walk around to talk to girls and like you start out, you like have no clothes in a tiny penis.
And then you, [:hilarious.
Frank: man, you've clicked on some previews. Haven't
Scott: you? Oh, I've downloaded whole games and been like, I try this.
It's a dollar. Fuck. What kind of porn game is a dollar. Okay. We went from not a very good to your
Frank: life. Your closet. I know steam game.
Scott: Oh man.
Frank: You, we are who we are. It's behind the sparkly curtain. that's where those games are. Leisure,
Scott: leisure, leisure, leisure, leisure. Suit Larry
Frank: leisure suit lay.
Scott: It was really hard to say leisure.
what did you watch? You said you
people watched in, you know, [:Scott: I missed the history channel for. Did you watch alone? Not having, oh no, I didn't watch alone.
Oh, okay. Is alone a documentary? Something? No, it's a reality show show.
Frank: They dropped 10 people in a very secluded area. Everybody's just saying I'm gonna make it a hundred days. Last one wins like 500 grand if you make it. Yeah, but it's like last one gets it. They have to hunt forage, build shelter, protect themselves.
It's oh, and
Scott: I mean, they've got camera equipment. I might be into that. I, I watched that, uh, life below zero show for like a whole day. Which one was that? In a hotel room. The people who live way up above the Arctic circle. Mmm. It's like just survivalist people who moved out there. Oh. And it just kind of keeps up with them.
It shows what happens when like a storm comes and stuff
Frank: like that. It's not the one about the people. It's the research center. It places in an
Scott: Antarctica. no, maybe that's life blood zero. Maybe this is another one. I don't know. It's like people way up in Alaska. I'm thinking about
Frank: documentary of Alaska that I watched on HBO max or like Amazon prime or something.
I [:Scott: the year. Oh yeah. I bet. That's weird.
Frank: It's I looked at jobs I, I went to the website and looked at jobs like you were like, I wonder if I could do that. It's crazy, man. They're saying, you know, you come here for an experience. You know, they say you're gonna get an experience cuz they put your ass to work.
Cuz there's so much to do to maintain. They say you're moving, moving, moving. I mean they get to chill every now and then do something like cool.
Scott: Was that the weirdest thing you've ever looked into doing? I mean they said
Frank: like that they're always looking for people. So I said, oh, are they, well, what positions are they?
it's um, you know, There's quite a few. You don't need a certification for anything. You just need experience in an area, but
Scott: yeah. And willingness to, to go
Frank: to Antarctica where things could go south.
Scott: Yeah. Very fast or a dog could enter your camp. Oh, and we all know where it goes from there,
Frank: but um, no, a alone and I rewatch death proof.
I'm
Christmas. See happens every [:Frank: I was gonna do the whole Grindhouse thing, the planet terror and death proof. So I started death proof from halfway through it, but you know, I, you
Scott: remember it. You can, well, you can also, it's like a podcast.
What? It's just people talking.
Frank: what I didn't put together before was in the test. I love it. Well, the Texas chili part scene, the roller girls go there and one of the girls. Who's a server in death. Proof was one of the girls in the series that was on a and E or something called roller girls where they followed the Texas roller
Scott: Derby.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh, I watched a couple episodes of that. Yeah. People I knew would pop up in it and it was weird.
Frank: So one of the chicks who, who was a roller girl, she was in the movie. I was like, oh, I recognize her from that show. I watched over 10 years ago, turned out that show was oh six. So I watched that show
Scott: 15 years ago.
Oh my God. That was that long ago. It was oh six. When that fucking Ellen page movie came out, WIC, WIC came out after roller girls. Ah, I, I just got confused cause I was like, wait, am I supposed to call her that? Yeah, no, you
ller girls because there was [:Scott: yeah.
Yeah. There was a rise there. Oh no. I meant, uh, call her Elliot page. oh yes. I was like, do I have to call past version in my memory? No Elliott Paige. You're correct. Do do I have to please? My thoughts, please. Your thoughts?
Frank: like those searches on steam.
Scott: Hey, man, it's weird. I didn't think of that as being something wrong to do, but it's not.
Then I was like, I heard someone's feelings. Oh, that I'm sorry. I thought you were talking. I don't wanna hurt someone's feelings, but I do wanna play sexy video games. yeah, no, they're not, they're not good enough yet. I could talk about that for an hour.
Frank: okay. Steam special couple weeks.
Scott: um,
Frank: Scott's gonna have a whole do I don't I segment
Scott: I watched, uh, the history of nudity in movies.
. It was really good. Really [:that's what they do with everything immediately. so that's like, yeah, there's weird adult video games on steam. No, that's awesome. But yeah, it's crazy. And I didn't realize how many people had been naked in things and they did a really good job of balancing. Choice to do it with it being expected of you.
It started out as a thing that people did to propel their career, but, and then before it was taboo, but yeah, no one was like making them do it. And I mean, anything like that is open to avenues of abuse. Mm-hmm, goes through like Maryland Monroe and all these different older actresses that shocked everyone by doing it later in their career, which was a weird thing to think about.
As far as a lot of the times, people do nudity at the beginning of their career
Frank: or they save it for cuz there's that weird. Like I was a child star, so I had to wait to a certain point in my career. So people didn't, you
Scott: [:In a certain movie, we'll have an impression on a human that goes forward and Phoebe Kates and fast times at Ridgemont high and stuff like that. Well, yeah.
Frank: Or, you know, more specifically my age, everybody would always talk about the poison
Scott: Ivy movies. Oh my God. I haven't thought about that in years.
That's fucking
Frank: crazy because the poison Ivy movies were, you know, stars that were up and comers who turned out to be, you know, um, but then it was Alyssa Milano though, was child star, you know? Oh, D Barry. So drew very the first one. Yeah. So it's weird. Cuz you go from this child star thing to like, oh my God.
They're
Scott: movie. It's an not add too. As far as a movie goes the first boys one. Yeah. Didn't have Tom scar, Tom scar. And uh, drew Barry. What's her name from rose? Darlene rose. Yeah, she's in it. And she's good little golf kid in the like late eighties, early nineties, ish. That's
Frank: I had problems remembering who like cure Goff, who was, who drew Barrymore was, you know, the other one.
rett drew Barrymore, but oh, [:Scott: Such a key part of the story. Well, she's the main character of that movie. I know. That's why, like, that's the thing too. I was, and I can tell you the whole movie, everybody just remembers like, they're like, yeah. Drew Barrymore, but I'm sorry.
I forgot. It was Darlene. Yeah. Tom scar is a, uh, American fucking treasure. She's his scar. I like saying scar. You're never gonna change it. Oh my God.
Frank: what are you doing to my brain right now? Tom scar. oh shit. Oh, there's a glitch in the major.
Scott: I like it. Cause you can say like, Tom, screw it. What are you doing to me?
The reason I do that is because there was a guy who would come in and he'd tell me at the video store that he thought Tom screw was an American treasure. you know, if I, and I was like, we were like, you're saying it weird. You're putting the emphasis the wrong.
Frank: If I ever get possessed, don't come at me with the power of gr
You know, you're not compelling to
Scott: power. Tom scar compels you.
scar? I'm just fucking with [:Scott: scar. vote for Tom Skeritt for American president Tom Skeritt, 2000. What year is it? 2002. oh man. No, I write in him for everything. You know, he was on a show called picket fences. It's my original. That alien. Yeah. Did you know that he was one the alien neck?
yes. Tom scar. Other than that, I watched the shitload of for all mankind. Pretty fucking good. Yeah. Uh, from what I can tell from the reason I started watching, it was like, I don't know why I'm not watching that. Mm-hmm it gets more space oriented sci-fi but it's alternate timeline, space travel. If the Russians had landed first feels a little bit like, uh, man, if there's scifi mad men.
Well, yeah. And if
Frank: there's timeline or time travel and it's decent, I feel
know, no Nazis. Did you ever [:Oh, I started it. We didn't finish it. Uh, I don't know if I finished it or not. The book is very short it's I think I, I just, I found something else along the way. I found something else. I saw squirrel. I knew what was gonna happen. It's fine.
Frank: Yeah. Tom Skeritt. Sorry. It's gonna be stuck
now.
Scott: I know.
Frank: man. Did
Scott: you ever watch steel Magnolias?
I, oh yeah, of course. I watched all the old lady movies when I was at the video store. All the old lady movies, Tom skeritt. Uh, I watched fried green tomatoes a lot when I looked there. Oh, it's a good movie, man. It is Kathy Bates. I want Kathy Bates and Tom screw to be I Jesus. It's just president of the
Frank: United States.
It's a heart in my, in my soul. I mean a hole am I taken
ie we watched had a bunch of [:Okay. Yeah. So that kind of backwards spent a long day, you know,
Frank: I went into this movie, not really knowing what was gonna happen. I was pleasantly surprised. Yeah. In a weird way.
Scott: Yeah, me too. In a weird way. I. Feel like if I had read the book, I might not be as happy cuz I was getting that from reviews. But luckily I watched this movie without anything.
I went in totally cold. Didn't read anything about it and then figured out that I owned the book, but hadn't read it. It was on my Kindle already. Get the fuck outta here. Yeah. I just didn't associate the two for anyone who, uh, wonders what the fuck we're talking about this week. We watched from the director of swingers.
chaos, walking pleasant, surprise, chaos, walking. So several other, very good movies and a couple fucking hard bombs. Mm. But I liked it. I liked
like, oh, is this gonna be a [:Scott: games?
That's what I get real worried about. Cause I read hunger games and Mays runner mm-hmm each, each of the two series. I read them in like a single weekend. Mm-hmm just to ate them, just went through 'em so fast. And then somebody tried to get me to read divergent and I was like, I. I don't like this. No, this was a weird one because I had heard about this movie and I knew it didn't do very good.
I don't know if that had to do with the pandemic or not. I knew that the original news about this movie was that Charlie Kaufman was gonna write it and he did. He's not credited, but he wrote the original draft for the movie. But apparently the final, well, hopefully he still got some money in there somewhere.
I don't know what he's, he's nuts. That guy seems crazy. No, I get it. That's true writer though. That's like weird guy in a row. Did you show me 10 seconds of this trailer? No, I, I think I texted you and I didn't watch the trailer. And I think you just look to me the, the like IMDB entry for a second and you were like, sure, I was, this is kind of your avenue though.
This is the sort of thing that you'd be. Oh shit. I have to find out what that is. Yeah,
Frank: I was, I would've [:Scott: Yeah. Not knowing it was this just better at the process of me watching it, but I didn't know. I was a young adult. Thing at first.
And then
Frank: I felt it. I felt it so fast. Uh,
Scott: you know, it does have a little 100 plot line yeah.
Frank: One hate a cone sky crew.
Scott: You wanna give us a summary? I'll give you the summary.
Frank: Octavia cone. Sky crew. Okay. I'll. Fucking Bellamy. Anyway, Todd played by Tom Holland lives in a dystopian future settlement, absent of women on a distant Earthlike planet.
In the first few minutes of the film, we learned that the settlers are afflicted by the noise, which causes their thoughts to manifest audibly invisibly around them. Some of the settlers are better at controlling them than others. At the same time, Viola played by Daisy Ridley as part of a second wave of settler's advanced team crashes down on the planet.
lanet's natives and that the [:When the mob arrives Todd's father sends the two away to the planet's original settle. Warning him not to say where he is from together in pursued by a literal toxic masculinity that desperately needs a shower. Our heroes set off on a journey to warn the incoming settlers of the threats on the ground and to discover the truth of the planet's violent history, chaos walking is based on the novel, the knife of never letting go by Patrick nest.
It's directed by Doug Lyman written by Patrick nest and Christopher Ford. It starts a couple other people, including a Jonas
Scott: brother. It's, you know, I like that. You didn't say which one
Frank: you know, I, I, I saw him pop up in that first scene that he's in. And I, I thought to myself, is that a fucking Jonas brother? Did you feel a little
Scott: bit like he may have been in this movie more like it was cast to be in the movie more, but they were like, nah, nah, they kind of just made him like this one, two line.
Oof. So here's the
I don't feel bad for knowing [:Scott: thing. I didn't get to check. He's the one from Jumanji. Fuck. Yeah. Right from welcome to the jungle. And the second one he's in both of 'em. I think he's the pilot that's yeah.
I like those Jumanji movies though. They're good.
Frank: Oh shit. Was he in both
Scott: of those? Yeah, he was like the, the one that was stuck in the game. Yeah. I know
Jumanji
Frank: the new one ones. I've seen them once each I've seen them once. Each never did a rewatch. I don't remember it that well.
Scott: Oh really? That's weird. I dug it.
Frank: Oh yeah, me too. I liked both. You know, now that you're mentioning it and I'm having to
Scott: think of things, I feel like I may have paid attention to it more than. You should of a person my age, but I like was like Reese Darby. And like, I was like, so stoked about everything. turned into a Jumanji conversation.
but I did read the first third of this book last night. Okay. I, uh, I did this movie made me want more of that story.
Frank: Well, I was gonna say, did you go full
told you I like adaptations [:Mm-hmm cause this was a hundred million movie that failed miserably. It was like, I never heard of it. It felt like a golden compass that was supposed to be a big 3 million
Frank: was golden cup is supposed to be a thing. Yeah. Oh
Scott: fuck. I didn't know. Well, it's a TV show has dark materials on HBO now. Mm-hmm but it, it was a series of, I guess they're kids books, but they're young adult.
Narnia kind of thing. Mm. But no religion added to it. So it's like just a pure story as far as, but it has a lot of philosophy in it, like the Narnia books do, but they made that one movie with Daniel Craig and Nicole Kidman. Mm-hmm , that's it, Doug it flopped. And they moved on, well, I guess the
Frank: money alone, they had to spend on the noise
Scott: in this movie, the reception for this movie felt like that.
But like we said, we liked it.
Frank: So I, I liked it. I could dig it. I was hoping to understand the noise a
s movie so fast, but it felt [:Frank: I'm pretty good at seeing where something is going. And so with the, you know, you're seeing the noise rise from everyone's head, their thoughts.
I, I knew where it was going, but I just wanted some
Scott: confirmation, a little, I wondered at first I was like, is this gonna get annoying? And I was like, actually it works. It works right. But it made me feel like God, it would be fucking annoying. To live in that. Yeah. But I guess it's about a kid who doesn't know life any other way.
Frank: Yeah. I mean, that's where he grew up later in the movie they mention, uh, not skip ahead too much. The, the other mayor mentions you only thought there were two settlements. Oh yeah. And he's like, uh, nah, that's all he knew. He knew that village in the story of the other one. So that was his world. Yeah. And I did realize that, but now that you say it and I'm talking about it out loud, That should have hit
Scott: him a little harder.
out policing, my thoughts or [:Frank: man, I think you'd be fucked. I would too,
Scott: though. I'd be fucked, man.
I would, I would be about the weirdest shit every day. I
Frank: know. And sometimes I'm just horrible.
Scott: Like I go down Google rabbit holes and it it's nothing. That'll get me in trouble. it's just fucking weird. Yeah. I accept that about myself. No, you ask yourself what the fuck I went and got a, a writing. I went to college for writing and everything will work out.
Just go to just do writing kids. if you're really
Frank: weird, the noise was, uh, a little overwhelming at first, but then you come to understand it better. It
Scott: felt really kind of natural the way he was like, bitching it himself. I keep your shit together. They all know God bouncing from thought thought
Frank: and talking about being self-conscious it's horrible.
And then you got a village, but it's
sn't, it's not paced poorly, [:You got a lot of little ideas and then you just got more little ideas, you know, and it was like this whole, the world building. Fine, but the whole thing where he's in a town where, where all the women were supposedly killed by the natives, we only see one fucking alien, the whole, and one colony. This is my only
Frank: complaint.
One alien, one alien colony from afar. They see like the alien village from,
Scott: you know, distance. I was, I was bummed out about that. You can't drop, there are aliens here. Here's one. They meant to make more movies. Yeah. It just won't. They meant to make
Frank: more. They're not going more. They're not going to, because this one failed.
Scott: It flopped really bad. It was a huge loss for the studio. I don't remember what it grossed, but it, it was like a third of what they paid to make it well,
Frank: and that's a shame. I assumed that it was a book series as I started
Scott: it. A lot of factors there though, like came out during the pandemic
Frank: and plenty to talk about, but that end was just so open ended for the sequel.
Yeah. Beginning of the adventure, the adventure
Yeah. It, uh, like a fine a. [:I'm gonna read the books. I wanna it's strong set up for a sequel. Yeah. I like the characters. I like the idea. I think there were things about the noise that they didn't really delve into. Cuz there were a little, couple little plot points that didn't make total sense.
Frank: Part of the preacher's personality was he just always projecting that flame.
I liked his flame. He was kind of
Scott: scary. He was fucking, also this movie was fucking brutal.
Frank: I thought he was the real badass, but yeah, he was a Dick. I wish this was a TV
Scott: show.
Frank: They would 100. That shit, it would get drawn. They would get
Scott: pulled down to a, a network that beat
Frank: the shit out of it. And then it would be awful by
Scott: the end.
That's true. Charlie Kaufman wanted to write this movie. He wrote the first draft of it, but then it was rewritten five times the final time though. Was by the guy who wrote the book. Okay. So I think that's why it feels a little bit like, he's like, well, I have to explain this and I can like, it's all there.
[:Frank: enough. You would have to be such a patient person to do that. You know, imagine your work, your
Scott: book is rewritten by the weirdest fucking writer. and then other
Frank: people
Scott: dip into, but you're like honored. Yeah. And then they're like, this is fucking nuts. And then you rewrite it times.
Also they filmed the whole movie and then showed it to test audiences. And that's why they did all the re-edits and all the re-edits were, uh, the Alvaez guy Fe Fede. I think his name is the guy who directed evil, dead. And, uh, don't breathe. Okay. Oh, he's doing the alien movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's on Hulu.
It's gonna be like predator it's really? And it's outside of the storyline. It's just alien universe movie. And so Hulu's doing an alien movie. Isn't that fucking awesome. I don't think I knew that much. I've never, I haven't seen your face the whole time. We've done this podcast. When I told you something was happening, that you looked that excited.
Oh, like all of the lines in your face disappeared. Yeah. Yeah.
Frank: Wow. That's awesome. Do you
Scott: need a napkin?[:no, it's fine. No, I'm fucking excited. I didn't even know a new alien movie was coming.
Frank: Oh, that's great. Could use little of that. Who knows? How long, how long did you see a date? Did it
Scott: say 23? I didn't look up the date. I bet said 24. I should have, I bet to go 24. You all have phones. You're holding them.
You're listening to us on . I can't do all the work. Uh . I have things to do. I'm still holding the summary. Confusing myself. Let it
Frank: go. um, yeah, that preacher was awesome. Sorry. I'll start back. That preacher was awesome. I thought he was one of the darkest characters in there. I thought he was more of a badass
Scott: than the movie.
There was a lot of animals died in this movie in a fucking horribly like gut punch way. They didn't
Frank: give a fuck about the horses I thought, but you know, there was the humane touch, but
Scott: still every time it bothers me in the movie. A little bit like
Frank: in a horror movie when they killed the dog Kelly. Very upset.
ven the dog and I am legend. [:Scott: whole dog wick
Frank: it was just a fucking puppy, man. I know.
Scott: It's fucking horrible. Yeah. But it got me really effective storytelling.
It was to make you that attached to a character. Mm-hmm that? Isn't a human being. I like this director a lot. I'll always take a chance with this guy's movies. Cause he did, uh, swingers go edge of tomorrow jumper. You did go. Yeah. Jumper is not good. Yeah. He directed go second movie, a swingers and then go.
I. Right in a row, we should do go down the road. It's been a long time, man. It's been a really long time. Yeah. I liked that movie. I like that movie a lot back then. I think I have that on VHS somewhere. I have it on, uh, DVD. I didn't realize that. Cuz I, I did another like passive watch while I was doing stuff today.
Oh, okay. And uh, the mayor's name is mayor Prentice and they live in Prentice town and I was like, oh, this is fucking right there in front of me the whole time. Mm-hmm cause I was trying to figure out is the
He gets in a fight with baby [:Yeah. And then he is like, mayor's coming. And then immediately the mayor's calling him
Scott: son. He saw him being strong and being able to control his thoughts better. And he knew his son was a fucking trying and his son is a Jonas yeah. It, it was like that use of, uh, what's his name? Taylor L is that his name?
Latner Latner yeah, the boy. Yeah. Yeah. When he was in. Shark boy and lava girl? No, the was the Adam Sandler movie, the despicable Des or something like that? Uh, it was the Western spoof. Oh, I never watched it. Oh, it was pretty funny. Was it? Yeah, I enjoyed it. See, I tried.
It's
Frank: not great. I tried one of his, you know, project movies on Netflix.
Scott: I like the David spade one. I haven't
Frank: seen that one yet, either. That one's pretty good. I don't, I, I wish I could remember the Spade's badass. There was one of them that I was. I I'll go back and watch happy Gilmore even 8 crazy nights. That's a
s underappreciated. He's the [:David Spade was the straight man in everything. He wouldn't laugh. He didn't get the joke. You know, like he was that, that fucking guy in everything. And Jason Badman does that now. Yeah, I go way fucking off topic. I don't remember how I got here.
Frank: You know, Jason Bateman was in necessary roughness. The Scott Bakula football movie.
Scott: Oh, it was cuz I was talking about the Jonas. Yes, I know you love gosh, the cover of that movie's burned my brain man.
Frank: No, so, yeah. But yeah, if I can make a reference to that
Scott: movie, I will, Daisy Ridley was good in this. I mean, she's good in this kind of sci-fi movie. I haven't seen her in anything else really, really felt like she popped up in some, I think she was in a rom costume.
I felt the
Frank: strength in her character when her character needed to be strong, felt the fear when there was fear.
Scott: Well, the costumes looked really good too. Like her orange jumpsuit thing. Mm-hmm, , I've seen a lot of fucking flight suits in sci-fi I am a flight suit expert. You're good with that flight suit.
y it showed up on camera and [:Frank: space wreckage looked like wreckage.
Those special effects
Scott: were
Frank: great. When that thing is crashing, you see the inside before shit hits the fan. Nice clean spaceship hits the future. We get it even, even a couple things different that captain's chair up in the window like that. Did you notice? Oh yeah. Yeah, that was, was kind of cool. Cuz it's just like a suspended chair in front of a window almost with a, like a screen.
That's the cockpit. Okay, cool. That would
Scott: make you feel outta control and just flying through space. Yeah. But
Frank: then when that fucker's crashed, only survivor it's happened before, but that's fine. She was the smart one. She was the one who could, uh, overcome, but then you see that wreckage and there's nothing pretty.
It's not like, oh, here's these like perfect battery cells in this cylinder shape that we pulled from this wall. It, yeah. Even the batteries, everything looks very appreciate those batteries.
Scott: I, they spent a lot of fucking money on this. Yeah.
hat looks like a helium tank [:Scott: it or something?
Yeah. You slide
Frank: it in the hole, you slide it in twist, you know? Oh, those filters has changed, you know? Or like the batteries
Scott: changed. I feel like I have rules for that when they're broken. I sometimes that's
Frank: weird. It sounds, I could appreciate the batteries that they pulled. Oh, fresh batteries. And it was this weird looking what, like three piece, I don't even know what shape you'd call that, but it was just something you don't see all the time in a sci-fi
Scott: movie.
It had all these things that I look for in a, uh, re watchable sci-fi
Frank: movie. The people in apprentice town had those weapons, but they couldn't charge 'em that's they used those batteries. These haven't worked in 20 years. Nah. You know, here's the batteries. Get to it.
Scott: Yeah. The weapons were cool too. All the blaster, fire and stuff.
Mm-hmm and the impact and the Foley, when it would. Sounded really good.
Frank: The weird thing that the Jonas accidentally sets off when he is going through
Scott: her stuff. Yeah. But that, all of that stuff is like, I'm like, where'd they get, those were the guns. Were those the guns from earth? Why don't the other people have more of the guns?
Well then even though why did this
en? Yeah. Viola's, you know, [:Scott: thing which I, no, you get the feeling that she was part of like a two person team to land and check
Frank: everything out.
She's trained for so much, but it's keeping it within the realm of reason. Yeah. And
Scott: there wasn't enough of showing her skills mm-hmm and that sort of bothered me. There was character development I could see was there. He put it all in there, but it's where about the guy getting.
Frank: You know, they're working out the plan and she's in the room and that guy's like, oh, I'm gonna flip and fucking I'll turn her over.
Yeah. And then it cuts to her. She had whooped his ass. He's on the
Scott: ground. Yeah. yeah. And I mean, it's fucking Ray. You could have done an action sequence. and I would've appreciated, but Todd's like, oh, you're good. But still, it was fine without it, like, it was an enjoyable, but that's what I'm saying. If I was a fucking kid and I saw this, I would've blown the fuck away.
ick. Neo. Yeah. The chosen I [:Frank: mountain. Yes. There was no, the one complex in this, which was cool for a sci-fi. Uh that's. I'm
Scott: not saying it always. I think that's indicative of.
Uh, young adult stuff. Mm-hmm to pair 'em cause I feel like the young adult formula is like put 'em together, but keep 'em apart, you know? And then just, we're gonna tease this kiss for like three books, man. Very hungry, Henry Strong once they're both on dead, they can fuck .
Frank: Oh, once
Scott: what is that short video I made a long time ago.
It says I'm gonna write the great American novel. And I just wrote vampires fucking on a piece of paper
Frank: and then a couple years later they write what we do in the shadows. No
Scott: well that, that's how that shit is, is it's good. And then it gets terrible and then it gets good again. And people love vampires.
Cause we got like after interview with the vampire. So interview with the vampire is the upswing and then you
Frank: get like interview with the vampire, which you said, yeah, that's one of those whole, uh, oh, is it? It's one of those things, man. Oh really not
Scott: to get into it. I've [:Yeah, I've always meant to. No. Um, I don't, I don't like vampires that much though. no, that's, that's part of the, I'll offend it to death, but at the same time, like I loved Buffy the vampires there. It was terrible
Frank: people try and throw that into, into the Mandela effect thing, interview with the interview, with, uh, vampire I'm like guys, it's just people that I don't, I don't,
Scott: let's not get in the Mandela.
I don't even know what I said. And now I want to go back and look, I said this to be like, are you sure
Frank: that I said that? Well, no shit, because we talk about vampires. My mind goes to Brad pitt and Tom cruise. You know, like I go to that for some reason. And so in my head, I was getting ready to tell you about the, uh, and so I listened and I'm pretty sure you said the nice, but we were right there.
on the vampire. I'm glad that popped up for both of us. Was that Anne rice? It was Anne rice. Yeah. Our IP and rice. That was a while ago. Wasn't it? That was a while ago. Yeah. Oh yeah. See, it seems like, yeah, I'm
Scott: pretty sure she was in an episode of the XFiles. It feels like just, I think she ran like a witchcraft shop.
Yeah. [:Frank: right. can't look it up, but it's fine.
Scott: oh God. Yeah, but there was everything in this movie, they focused well enough on the, the young adult thing works really good. As far as the storytelling tactic as they, they like put these two people together and, uh, will they won't they, I, I think hung games was one that kind of fucked me out out of the
Frank: three.
We mentioned, I read a little bit of hung. I halfway through the second book. I think as far as I got reading it, didn't read Mays runner. Didn't read divergent, but I seen all the movies. Right. I watched divergent and that was it. I didn't watch the other two in that one. Yeah. I couldn't,
Scott: I couldn't, it was too, uh, it looked like, uh, how Ender's game was real disappointing.
It was that kind of feeling to it.
Frank: Oh, I rewatched that a couple, uh, maybe two months ago. Really? It, because I'd only seen it once and I remember having mixed feelings, so I gave it another chance.
hmm like, eh, I was probably [:So you had some expectations there. Uhhuh . Big ones. Okay. The man who writes those books is very problematic.
Frank: so yeah. Uh, this one. Good, good action. When there needed to be action. Not over the top. No one complex. No, the one complex,
Scott: but yeah, it was like, they gave you one little alien and they gave you one little tentacle monster in the river.
Frank: Well, they wanted to do all three movies. I'm
Scott: sure. But the tentacle monster was cool in the river.
It was one of my favorite parts of the movies I love. Like I
Frank: was like, oh shit. I had very few notes. Did you notice? I don't even have my notes up like usual notes. Cause I had
Scott: very few. I didn't. I really watched
Frank: this part. I'm glad you mentioned it. That is one of my notes. That scene. Was awesome to me, that was
Scott: great because you thought he was, had no shame about being naked, cuz he'd only grown up around men.
Then he just
Frank: gets ass naked right in front of her. No second thought without even realizing it's a thing.
Scott: And I thought he was just bathing, but he was like, I'm gonna go kill a 10 monster, this fucking monster
Frank: with her in the water. Yeah. So he goes all survivor man in the fucking water. This is the guy who would win alone.
[:Scott: He would fucking win alone. I liked all his little casual thoughts about how he was gonna die. like, he was like, oh, that's gonna get infection. I'm probably gonna die. He just moves
Frank: on. Do you know how much I respect go? He get those little thoughts. That's that's my head all day. A certain thing happens.
I'm like, oh, is that that little microbe that's gonna finish me? Don't know why he just kept moving. Yeah. He finds out there's more than two towns in the, in, in the entire existence. Yeah. That he
Scott: knows. I kind of like that about his character. He brushes it off. They built up that whole thing in the beginning where he was like the mayor's boy mm-hmm you know, he was like the most, those were the only two children born on the planet.
There weren't any other young ones other than later, which spoilers. There's another town. There's another town. Yeah. And when they get there, there are women there and he's, he's just, he takes it
Frank: pretty well. And then that mayor there's other towns, there are other settlements, it was kind of a breath of fresh air that, that mayor wasn't on edge over overprotective.
these trust no one survive, [:Scott: no new members and reaction at the beginning. Isn't, isn't all that crazy. As far as a mayor in a dystopian. Sci-fi yeah, that's what
Frank: I expect. I mean, or
Scott: new, new planet or whatever. So many
Frank: of those postman
Scott: the postman was okay.
The postman gets a lot of shit. Okay. I'm down
Frank: with the postman. The postman's all I'll agree. I watched the postman several times back in the day.
Scott: I love the postman. Yeah. It's not as bad. Everyone was like, don't often it's a little SLU. You don't often
Frank: meet a man named Ford, Lincoln, mercury.
Scott: you? Don't that's the other thing is the postman has some funny shit.
Oh, and will Patton hand will
Frank: Patton. It's got some will Patton
Scott: in it. The little tiny characters I've seen them. Other places. Mm-hmm the settlers other mayor. She was in outsider.
Frank: The, the guy who, who tries to kind of bully him on the steps. What the fuck? You know, the
Scott: one who gets oh, that guy's name was in the lead credits.
He's not really in the movie. All that
what it is. I mean, off hand [:Scott: guys you see in his he's every police procedural under his cell.
He's definitely in castle.
Frank: I bet he, I bet he's on Castle's roster. Yes. Um, good point it's it's people you've seen in think Mads
Scott: Kelson. I love Mads Kelson. He's so good. Such a good, bad guy. And. I people don't like this, but I think he was a better Hannibal actor. The best Hannibal actor. Oh well. And the
Frank: actor who plays, uh, Todd's dad.
Well, the dad who lives longer. Yeah. Oh, oh. I think you were trying to keep
Scott: shit. No, that's way early. Uh, but his dad, I like that his dad's Uhhuh were, uh, Burley. They're fucking
Frank: Burley, one of my other three
Scott: notes, but there was so much like, I was like, well, wait, are there more men that are like married? Is that what they're going for now in this town?
l just get rid of your women [:Frank: it was the best. Fuck you possible bolt strategy, cotton . Um, but yeah, you've seen the two dad things a lot lately.
But the buiness of the dads,
Scott: because one, the blonde guy was the dirty blonde. He was hot dear day. He was, he was a Hotty man. He was like a fucking wildling. Yeah.
Frank: yeah, that dude was definitely north of the fucking wall. you know what I'm saying? He was a fucking wall climber, like no other, at some point I could respect that though.
Cuz it's one of those things that, oh, we're seeing more of it. That's awesome. But oh you, you put an extra little touch on it.
Scott: It's very realistic. Mm-hmm too that, uh, I mean lots of spoilers. So yeah. You're
Frank: deep enough in where I feel like if you decided you wanted to watch it, you've already stopped.
Listen to
Scott: us. Yeah. but even like watching this, I was like, cool. I have something to read. Mm-hmm I'll probably read it pretty quick. It's pretty short. But
Frank: uh, the fact that you actually had it on your Kindle
is. I would've read this for [:Yeah. I would've gone full missed from here on out. Like their journey to the place was kinda short. Not didn't take 'em very long. And then, but everything was paced fine. It just felt like a lot in, you know, two hours. It
Frank: was enough of a journey for the get to know you build trust.
Scott: Yeah. Which is fine.
That's that's how star wars movies are. And so it's just, it was fine storytelling. Yeah. There
Frank: just, yeah, there wasn't much of a
Scott: journey, but it's fine. But it was a lot of world packed in. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Not that there's anything wrong with that. oh, in his mom's journal that his dad slips into his bag before he leaves that they don't mention when it happens.
They, but then he has it later and then, oh, he's a literate. Yeah. That's
Frank: sad. Oh, also shortest fucking journal ever written.
ead? She said, I'll read you [:Frank: it. I expected a montage where it slowly flashed forward and he's like, uh, oh, like posing different or they're in different scenery, you know?
Like, oh, change scene, exterior hut,
Scott: maybe being I literate is hereditary. it
Frank: took his mother five years to write five pages.
Scott: yeah. They're short entries. Just sweet to the point. The story of the story, the journal journal was the movie. It was like the whole movie. It was just like, yeah, cursory. We we're telling you all
Frank: these things.
The truth was there the whole
Scott: time. And if they could've made another movie that could have slowed down and fleshed out some of that stuff.
Frank: Well, I'm sure. You have to think they went into this movie with the intention of making two and three. Oh, for sure.
Scott: So they spent a hundred
Frank: million dollars. So, so you would have to hope that things were left open-ended for a reason, not thoroughly explained for a
Scott: reason.
y're gonna be like, oh shit, [:it's
Frank: not a movie.
That's going to reach cult status any day. It's not that type type
Scott: of, but I liked it a lot. I liked everyone in it. Everyone was really good. I've seen
Frank: some sci-fi shit with a bigger budget. That was way more disappointing. This wasn't disappointing.
Scott: I, no, it, it had a very compelling plot and. Was just, it should have been, uh, television series.
I hope somebody makes a TV series of this one day.
Frank: The, the thing that did scare me most was at the beginning, when I tell people to watch the 100, I tell them once you get past the TenX it's okay. And now I tell them, you probably won't finish it. Like, that's just something I say, but I'm like, give it a shot.
Think it would be hard to finish. Yeah. And so I felt that teen angst rising in this movie, I don't think it ever got to a boiling point. I don't think it ever got to critical level of
I was like, these were good. [:Any day, there were third person narratives. They had really complicated stuff. Mostly what hunger games had as far as like complicated emotional stuff. Mm-hmm was, uh, the weird love triangle that didn't pay off as well in the movie, as it did in the book, I felt like mazes runner was just kind of more fucked up and sci-fi, it was cool.
Frank: This one got darker than that. In a weird way, killed
Scott: both dads killed his dog, killed two horses. I mean, one of 'em was the bad guy's horse
Frank: whiskey, the white horse horse. Didn't ask for that whiskey. The white horse
Scott: didn't need to die. Oh no. He could have fixed that. He didn't have time. I, no, that's was a time saver, reverse a horse
Frank: with a broken leg.
The best thing to do is put that horse down. Is
Scott: that true? I, my wife works for any Equin don't know
ost just worth the put down, [:Scott: wrong.
Wait, we can ask Kelly right after . Hold on one more. Hold on one second. Will I ask my wife tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Like,
Frank: um, the horses, the dog, the dads, uh, what else? Yeah, that
Scott: fucking preacher sucks. Just the fact that
Frank: they killed
Scott: the women. Cause he fucked. That was fucked up, man. The
Frank: whole basis of wiping the women out of the settlement.
Yikes. Oh,
Scott: that's what really intrigued me was I was like, that's fucking weird,
Frank: man. I mean, that's the kind of shit that goes down when you've been in stuck in a grocery store for eight hours with no power and monsters outside
Scott: the existential terror that some of these things caused me. Mm-hmm watching this movie where I was like, they killed all the women.
They can't read their thoughts, thoughts. and they don't like that. They don't like it.
Frank: And then, then they become distrusting of the women because they can't read their thoughts kind of second that creature too.
He
Scott: is like, like a woman, like two or three times, like, like disgusting. Oh
Frank: yeah. That [:Like a woman. Yeah. He told what did he tell him? He even told that to the mayor, right? Yeah. He told the
Scott: mayor that later, but he told Todd in the beginning of it.
Frank: Yeah. What's his name? I already forgot Pinkerton. No, no. Pence the town. what's his name? Shit called? Uh, apprentice town, apprentice, apprentice, mayor apprentice, mayor Pinkerton.
Where the fuck did I get Pinkerton from the Weezer
Scott: record, I
Frank: guess. Oh God. No. Well, I guess it might have just been deep in there anyway, old Pinkerton, like a woman and the way that there was the respect there between the character, like nobody fucked with the mayor, but the preacher just talks shit to the mayor and makes his own decision.
Mayor's like, eh, go do
Scott: your thing, ING. Yeah. And I think some of those like plot points were introduced later. Like mm-hmm oh, you're wondering about that. Here you go. I think that's how the journal popped in. Like, it was like, well, we need the journal. The journal explains everything and then it got put in, or it got cut for time
Frank: early.
e that I had was the antenna [:Scott: hell of a climb, which was weird because Daisy Ridley was in this. There were a lot of star wars references when she takes off on that bike. Mm-hmm through the woods. That was the speeder chase from returning to Jedi.
like straight up. It's like people on horses chasing her on. Like dirt bike mm-hmm did appreciate that. She jumped off that thing and didn't land. And I was like, is this gonna be one of those cheesy things where she's so badass, that's the
Frank: same jump that killed whiskey, the white
Scott: horse. And they looked fucked up the whole movie blood all over their
Frank: faces and yeah, people got fucked up when you got hurt, you got hurt.
Okay. So back to the antenna situation, so it's broke and then the connection looks kind of just like, you know, that old cable for a monitor into, into a PC , you know, I was like, oh wow. Is this like a monitor for 90? It just kind of unplugged. And it was unplugged, but dangling but hanging, but then, okay, this is one of the original ships from like the first settlement.
Right. It's been scrapped over time and it's a Relic. However,
Scott: they've been there at least a hundred, I don't know. Or I would
Frank: say
. That's what I didn't fully [:Frank: say 70 to a hundred. No, but it couldn't have been, it
Scott: could have been 63 years to get there, but see, I think technology has to have improved.
That's why her ship was better. So it probably took less time for the generation ship afterwards to get there, but also
Frank: it turned out there was more than just Prentice town. So for some of those other settlements founded by other vessels that arrived before those settlements. That's a good question. You
Scott: know, did you follow that?
Yeah. Like how many generations deep are we? Because
Frank: I think that'll help you track what exactly the timeline is from when the settlements first started. Yeah,
Scott: definitely with print town, they'll be happy to see us. They probably thought we weren't coming there, which was real cursory at the beginning.
Mm-hmm . But
Frank: back to the antenna, one more time, the hatch that goes to the panel. So this ship has been stripped. It's been there for
Scott: decades. Oh yeah. And her ship wreck, the second they lay eyes on it, those dudes craft fucking score. However,
ened with a working terminal [:I don't wanna dispute that with whatever power source is running that ship that, that wouldn't
Scott: work, but they did find it very quickly. Well,
Frank: part of her training must have been, you know, blueprint recognition. So she
probably,
Scott: yeah. Cause there was more stuff about
Frank: like, she probably studied the blueprints of all prior vessels that were sent to the planet.
Scott: Right? Yeah. That's part of the, they were both kind of badass with three more movies. You could have seen them. Become oh,
Frank: really become, and then there would've been the conflict at some point, you know, somehow they would've gone to another settlement
Scott: in there. Would've been like, yeah, like around the end of movie two.
Cause that, yeah, his hormones, that's your empire strikes back moment. Yeah. His
Frank: hormones would've kicked in or something. Oh. You know, and it would've been the chick with like the weird alien hand.
Scott: Yeah. But that climb was very like Luke falls down the tube in, uh, empire strikes back. Yeah. You know, it looked very similar.
Mm.
Frank: I can see that that panel was okay. That computer hadn't been scrapped. Yeah. You know, if it's an antenna, sounds like something somebody might wanna
Scott: use to make a, oh, like we left this just in case we have to call somebody
body's shack at like another [:And that was the radio that's where you had to get
Scott: to, that was the mission, you know, like the Russian guy and lost .
Frank: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but it just, but you know what I'm saying, if there was anything to me that was super questionable about the story and it's just like one of those little things like, oh, you don't have to really explain it to me, but just, I mean,
Scott: that's a little, well, when he shows, uh, the mayor, all the women that he kill.
In his like memory thing, the finale, like, I'm sure he could only conjure up the memory of his mother and then where these other women come from. Yeah. That's like, uh, thinking up a unicorn in the first place. Mm-hmm is just putting two things together,
Frank: but, but so do you think in the stories his noise develops and
Scott: I almost wish right there.
Maybe it is that way in the book. I don't know yet. Mm-hmm but I thought right there, they should have made clear that he could influence somebody with his mind. I felt like they kind of seated that, you know who he is. Don't let him in your head about the mayor. Well,
Frank: second settlement. He gets them to put down the guns almost like mind control.
Yeah. Not just a [:Scott: mind control. And it wasn't clear enough that that was what happened. And I felt like he wouldn't fall for a bunch of women he'd killed as a hallucination from somebody else. Like I didn't, I didn't. And he should have been really
Frank: buy that through that with his extra
Scott: ability.
And maybe if I wasn't backwards rationalizing the story and filling in the gaps myself. I wanna find out how many of my assumptions about these things are correct.
Frank: Well, and I think, let me know, because that's just the thing I'll fill it in all day. I can fill in that story. All day with just my thoughts.
Yeah.
Scott: what about us as an audience has changed to where we wouldn't be blown the fuck away by this, because if this movie had come out, even with late nineties, special effects, eighties, special effects, 70 special effects, all these other points in movie history. If this movie was made exactly like this, just with what that era could do, it would've been huge Terminator the way we remember, because it was different enough, weird.
t was different enough. So I [:I was fucking fascinated. I couldn't wrap my head around it then but now I, I am, it's just interesting to me. Mm-hmm because he, he saw these shitty movies. What I saw was I was like, you just made shitier, you know, yeah. You're but that was fine with him. Those were his special effects for this time. I can up with the originals.
So things like this kind of fascinate me, cuz I think this is, this has the. Potential to get a kid obsessed with something mm-hmm and maybe 10 years from now we see an HBO series of this.
Frank: See, and this has fallen into that category of we've mentioned all those movies that were book series prior, you know, hunger games was a, what would you call survival of the fittest?
MAs runner [:Scott: experiment. Hunger games was like running man. And, uh, the long walk, it was a very like Stephen King battle, Royal battle Royal.
Frank: Yeah. But then you've got maze runner, which to me was a little more human experiment slash
Scott: survival of the, well, I like the twist of that was, it felt Japanese to me.
I don't know how much, like Japanese sci-fi or horror you've read, probably you're shaking your head. Like none ever. I love that shit. I love Japanese sci-fi and horror and like cyber punk that comes outta Japan. That stuff is really fucking cool, but it has this sort. Pace of storytelling. It's
Frank: not what somebody, who's not into it.
Me what I'm used to. Yeah. It's not what we're well, sometimes
Scott: it'll take a hard left turn and you'll be like, what the fuck? this just turned into something else. Yeah. the ring books are crazy. Cause they start out just like the movies except gender swapped. Male is the main character of the book by the end of it.
le thing gets outta control. [:Frank: by that
Scott: originality. I like that. Ballsiness in, in storytelling when somebody's just like, you know what and this was existentially fucking me up the whole time. Cuz I was like, you don't wanna, this is like what women want only like sci-fi and I love when you mix that kind of weird shit together.
Frank: Well, and then you have cool stuff like him killing the fucking water monster. That
Scott: was just, yeah, that was like a nice little thing. And they didn't ever do it with the monsters. I really liked that. You, you should watch it loving monsters. It came out during the pandemic. It's fucking great.
Frank: No, I told you I've got this thing, the expensive Roku that wasn't worth it.
The last time I tried to watch that movie, it wasn't happening and I kept resetting it and everything. I couldn't play it on prime. I could play every other movie on prime, but that movie,
Scott: that movie feels like this movie. It was weird, but that movie is a better movie. All around. Love monsters. Yeah, the story was, I remember you really liked it.
I put Michael R's in it. Oh, Michael RER. I love Michael
chael RER days of thunder. . [:Scott: Was that what an old thing was? Was you trying to think of the most obscure Michael
Frank: RER thing you could think of? I was, I
Scott: guess that's not super OB, so I almost, but like, that's not like the
Frank: immediate, I almost made a me reference these days, you know, I almost made a walking dead reference and I was like, no, I, I wanna dig a little deeper for years.
Scott: I thought of him as Henry the portrait of the serial killer. Uh, cause I think that was the first thing I ever saw him in. Maybe mall rats around the like, but then you see the stink Palm. I think of slither almost every
Frank: time. HBO kid days of thunder is number one. But I think for me, mall rats is number two for RER.
I fucking love slither. I re-watched it before it left prime. I think when we first started doing this, you had mentioned it. And so I found it and I was like, ah, and I, it was gone the next week. Yeah. Yeah. It was off prime like the next week. And I'm like, I think I watched
Scott: this very audit, like right at that time too.
Well, it had been
Frank: on there forever and I'd seen it and I thought about it and you said it. So I went home, found it. No shit. The little prime banner was missing. And I was like, oh, it fucking, just left like great timing. I
Scott: feel like [:like slither is the most me, a movie has ever been. It has castle
and it's funny as. Oh, Pam is in it too. Cause she was married to James gun then was she in it? I think I saw. Oh, she she's the, for the police 9 1 1 operator. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And he's like, you're
Frank: supposed to answer the phone. she's like, oh,
Scott: sorry. were the, uh, aliens called speckle?
Frank: I believe so. Okay. I think that was the record.
I read it
Scott: in the book last night too, but they weren't PRS. I was kind of out of it. They wasn't PRS I want another one of those. Oh,
Frank: well Neil Blu. How do you say his name? Blu.
Scott: Yeah, but the way Blum,
Frank: Blum BL. Oh shit. I don't know. I want his
Scott: chap pro movie still to this day. Did he do the new Rebo co? No, he wanted to, oh, he just wanted to and fuck give it to him.
would you not like you pump [:Frank: one? Did I bring this up when we were talking about parade? Did we talk about how he did, um, he was going to redo aliens? Yes. From after aliens. He was gonna pick it up like three never happened. Yeah.
Scott: I don't know if I want that anymore.
Frank: Well, I saw the concept out for it. Like this was probably 20 13, 20
Scott: 14. I've settled into, uh, aliens went where it went, dude. He
Frank: was gonna bring back Sigourney Michael Bean. And it was gonna pick up from the rescue
Scott: craft. I have less bad feelings, about three than most people do. That was the first time I saw David Cher's name on anything at the time.
That's not great. As far as a David Fincher movie goes
Frank: in my youth. I didn't like it, but a few, well, I guess several years ago, I read an article that one get better shaped my mind
Scott: because the wine cellar movie, that was a great resurrection is also better. Than it was when it came out. I was, Ugh. I thought it was, I
Frank: was always fine with it.
I was always fine
Scott: with it. I thought it was fuck awful when it came out, but I'll watch it now.
s fine. Yeah. I mean, it was [:Scott: whole, it just felt like that time where like everything was like event horizon. Well, it was that
Frank: whole nineties thing.
Yeah, it was so nineties and a sci-fi
Scott: movie. What was it? Event horizon was the nineties version of what alien felt like when it came out. And then they made an alien movie that was like event horizon. It was like when Kevin Smith made a Judd AAL movie, even though Judd AEL makes Kevin Smith movies
Frank: stop.
Every time you say that my brain does something fucking weird. It's like that other guy we were just talking about earlier. And I'm not gonna say his name again.
Scott: anyway, but this movie has doesn't deserve a 38. It has a 38 meta score. It has a 5.7 on IMDB. Mm. Yeah. I don't think this needs to be anyone's favorite movie, but people were fucking harsh about it.
ion of the book or they were [:Frank: Okay. Well, speaking of district nine, district nine was one of my Hollywood movies.
I love and I was in Cedar park. Right. So you've got some country out there. I love district nine. I was such a fan of district nine. Does anyone not
Scott: like district nine though? People in the country
Frank: see that the shit that I would hear needed more aliens in it. Why didn't they have more spaceships fight? A lot of fucking aliens.
No. Yeah. They were like, why aren't there more aliens? Why weren't there more fighting? Like this was shit that I would hear at Hollywood video in Cedar park. And I'm like, that's not the fucking point of the movie. There's plenty of action for what this movie is. It was mind numbing. They don't get it. they don't get it not to go back into video games.
I played an amazing video game lately. That was just a low level arcade game. The reviews, there were people that are like, the bots are ramming me off the track. It's what the game was, man. It was like a death race scenario. They're trying to kill you. people don't fucking understand shit. Sometimes
% on rotten [:So people like to be entertained, man.
Frank: And is this, was this an opportunity for critics to try and make a name for themselves?
Scott: I, uh, this isn't the Batman begins of science fiction, but about like a Marvel movie, it's probably like was better than jumper though. Same director. He did jumper jumper. Yeah. He's got some duds, man.
He's got some really good ones. Edge of tomorrow's fucking great jumper
Frank: was jumper man jumper, I think was coming off
Scott: the new release show. Well, that was another one that in my Hollywood time, I think he's willing to gamble on these sort of young adult things. I think he likes them. I think he likes young adults.
You think he likes young adults?
Frank: there's another word for
Scott: that, man. Yeah. He also directed Mr. And Mr. Smith, which I find middle of the road less good than the gray man, but the same kind of action. Just
wood and I can know that he, [:Scott: you don't know
Frank: I think I know.
I, I mean,
Scott: you think it's fair for critics to have looked at this a little bit and been like, uh, you guys didn't finish the story. It
Frank: has that ending. That's complete setup for the next one, but it's fine. If you chop, chop, its fucking head off there also. Yeah, it's just a little unfor. It's a little more unfulfilling.
It's a
Scott: little unfulfilling it's but it, I mean, not everyone will do this, but I'll just, I'm just gonna fucking read the books now. Cause I, it teased enough. It was like a good teaser.
Frank: There you go. And that's that's great. If you have the time to read, read it. Yeah.
Scott: You can't make a full length novel into a fucking movie and please everybody you're never gonna be able to do it.
Never. It has to be tiny novel. Like the mist or hell Razr. Or something like that. You have to pick short stuff. If you're gonna make Shawshank redemption, short that Philip K Dick
Frank: stuff. A
Scott: lot of them, a lot of Phillip, a lot of Dick, some of that shit is three pages long and they made decent movies out of them.
[:Frank: um, no. And so there's that acceptable level. And I wanna say some of those other ones, probably through a wrench in this one, cuz people were expecting that. Yeah. And the
Scott: level that the star power in this at the time, cuz they were both filming Spider-Man movies and uh, the last star wars movie mm-hmm at the same time and then it didn't test well and they breeze shot stuff.
Well
Frank: I shit, you not, I'd never heard of this fucking movie before you were like, Hey, check out this movie. That's on Hulu.
Scott: The fact remain. At the end of the day. It's not terrible. It's not a bad movie. No. And, uh, uh, if you're like just looking for a fun movie to watch and you have no interest in, and it's not a real teeny bopper for you, or you're like us where you've just fucking seen all the sci-fi movies.
Mm-hmm and you're like, I have to watch that.
Frank: There's only so many times I can go to sleep watching your Oprah report.
Scott: you love your report.
Frank: It touched me. I thought that that was brilliant at the end. The first
Scott: time I saw it, it was the, it was that last days on Mars came out the same time and I just thought it was better.
bie move better. I liked the [:Frank: I liked the actual life kind of thing. Opposite of a Astra,
Scott: other than the like XFiles, I'm up to dog it now. And, uh,
Frank: dog, it was
Scott: rough for me in the beginning. It was rough for me in the beginning back then too. Then I got to like him. I knew it was coming.
And I remember that I got to like him. I see. So this is easier now.
Frank: I think dot gains your.
Scott: Agreed. And I kind of, I'm kind, that's a real fuzzy time of high school where I wasn't watching any TV show regularly because I was a, I was a kid.
Frank: I think we were so busy trying, well, I was so busy trying to fucking like party and
Scott: like I had to walk everywhere and did the walking and the rain and shit, like you were always moving when you were that age.
You know,
Frank: I, I grew up watching football and I quit watching football around that time movies. XFiles TV shows that I was like balls deep, uh, that seventies show. We were all watching that seventies show as they came out. I lost track of that 70 show about that time. There was just that year, like, like 99, I guess, TV more
Scott: than movies.
and ended without me really. [:Frank: on Sunday night, how I finish them before streaming was out, you know, like you'd rent it, you'd go rent them. If, if the store had all the copies of the season, God, my first watch through battle star, man.
That was so hard for me. We
Scott: had just like season two of something. Exactly. And you we'd be like, and I'd be like, what
Frank: the fuck is this? Oh, you have season two discs one and four. I remember
Scott: having not two agree, but I could talk him into getting season two of Dr. Hill. And he was like, oh, they changed doctors and I was like, this is what they fucking do.
Yeah. Like I was just, yeah,
Frank: well, and I wasn't doing the office when I worked at Hollywood, but it was only what the us office, it was only four years old, maybe three, four, and I wasn't into it. But the, the random fucking episodes that we had of what seasons were available, people got so mad. They're like, what am I supposed to do?
It was like, I don't know. We can call the other Hollywoods. Like I can, I can check the inventory. See if somebody, all
I
Scott: know is I can make fucking nothing and I can't help you. And then
of Austin. And I'm like, oh, [:Scott: park.
Frank: I'm
Scott: like, well, if you really fucking wanted it, so that's buy down the fucking road. Yeah. What a time? We didn't know any different though.
Frank: No, I mean, I'd have late jobs where I'd get off at midnight, two in the morning, my movies came from the Bennett Walmart because they were like five bucks or less. I was like, oh fuck.
I haven't seen that in 10 years or, oh, I
Scott: have purchased movies from Walgreens in the middle of the night. Walgreens is how I owned VHS copies of it was the Halloween trilogy. That's when I was younger, I think. I was like 15 or something like that. I bought them and I was like, I've never seen Halloween three.
I'm gonna buy this. Like, and I was like, this isn't evil fucking Halloween movie. Didn't I show
Frank: you the tune on VHS. And you loved that, that animated thing called the
Scott: tune. I think I was tripping on mushrooms. well, I mean, so, but you found it very entertaining, but yeah, I did find it. So that movie I bought it.
Frank: Weird back when there WASD. That's crazy. I, that was just, I was a kid and I was like, oh, thought's a cartoon.
Scott: I had no [:Because I don't think either of us have seen it since we were children. Not even as a
Frank: young adult. Did I rewatch it? Yeah. For some reason, but
Scott: I'm due cuz I, I read the book for the first time. Yeah. There's no telling how much
Frank: I didn't understand because I was probably nine, but
Scott: I remember the first time I saw hell razor when I was younger, I'd already seen hell razor, like two and three mm-hmm
So when I saw the first one, I was like, nothing's happening in this movie? And those, now that I've read the book I want, I bet I'm like, I bet that's good. I bet that's got that. I didn't like Lord of illusions when I was younger either. I've watched it several times. I can't believe I re-watched
Frank: that because you talked about it.
I fucking love it. It was kind of hard for me to get through. It's a toughie it was just cuz of how slower,
Scott: like it's a, the director's cut is long. Oh geez. But it has a really slow
femme. I would need a lot of [:So I watched it a lot at a very young age, just thinking it was a scary movie, probably not understanding the storyline at all. So I can't wait to watch it now and really feel that
Scott: movie. Yeah. I really wanna, it's not like there were other things like that movie that I thought that I was gonna go back and watch and I'm like, God, that scared the fuck outta me.
But guess what? Warlock, wasn't a scary movie. do you remember it had a video game though? It did. No. No, no. Oh,
Frank: didn't make any sense. You know, I'm gonna say that movie dolls held up kind of yeah. Dolls held up. All right. Yeah, because creepy as fuck.
Scott: Um, one day I'm gonna make you watch troll too well, and it's gonna be a good day.
I
Frank: kind of want to redo critters, man. Just see how goof
Scott: troop. I've been a long time since I watch critters, I'd be down, but I'm gonna be singing that fucking song. It's the feeling of the night for weeks and weeks on.
Frank: Thanks everyone for [:You can find us on Twitter at last clerks, Instagram at the last video store clerks. And you can find Scott at dispatches from the pit.com.
