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Corporate Zen: How Mindfulness Can Transform Your Workday With Alp Geckelan
Episode 14 • 11th July 2023 • Mindful You • Alan Carroll
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On this episode of Mindful You, Alan Carroll interviews Alp Geckalan. Carroll and Geckalan speak about mindfulness in the workplace. Alp’s journey into mindfulness started in 2018 when he was practicing a mantra meditation. Mindfulness means lots of different things to different people and can be very benefical to everyone while at work. Before Alp has a meeting he takes a ‘landing minute’ – where he focuses on his breath and finds that he can hyper focus on the meeting at hand. Once we become conscious about our moments we become more present and can focus on our workdays. We should always try to use meditation as a physical exercise for our brain and try to use experiential mindfulness to help us anchor our thoughts at work.

About The Guest:

Alp Geckalan is a highly accomplished professional currently serving as the director of SAP Digital Skills Center in Dubai. His role encompasses overseeing operations in Africa, the Middle East, and South Europe. Alp possesses a strong educational background, holding a degree in Statistics and Computer Science. Additionally, he has augmented his expertise by obtaining a master's degree in marketing and communication.

Originally from Turkey, Alp has made Dubai his home for the past seven years. He is deeply passionate about digital skills, youth empowerment, and continuous education. Alp's primary mission is to bridge the gap between academia and businesses by creating industry-certified professionals. With a decade of experience in the training and education sector, he has honed his skills and is now dedicated to sharing his expertise with the younger generation.

Alp Geckalan's commitment to developing digital skills and empowering youth underscores his ambition to contribute to the growth and development of individuals and organizations. His leadership and vision in the field of training and education have positioned him as a valued resource for fostering talent and preparing future professionals for the demands of the digital age.

About Alan:

Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.

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Alan Carroll:

Hi, everybody. Welcome to the mindful U

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podcast. My name is Alan Carroll. And I'm going to be

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your host, as we journey together, down the pathway of

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mindfulness, to explore, to experience to hear the stories

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and experiences of other mindful travelers who have been

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traveling the path in various forms, many paths of

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mindfulness. And I want to share a little bit of my background.

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And I'll divide this talk into two parts. First will be my

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background. Which brings me up to the second part, which is

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okay, mindful you podcast. What is this fella know about

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mindfulness. And part two is I'll share with you the

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mindfulness practice that I've been, and my group has been

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teaching for the last 40 years as one of those paths, that

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allows people to experience to experience a sense of

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mindfulness, and all the benefits that come with having a

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mindful state of consciousness. Alright, welcome app to the

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mindful you podcast. And I want to thank you for being here

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today. And I'm excited because you are the ambassador of

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mindfulness for the one of the largest corporate organizations

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in the world, S A. P. So I want to thank you for taking the time

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today to share with our audience. And I'd like to ask a

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question from a background of if, if I was a manager, like you

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work for a corporation. And I was thinking about benefits and

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mindfulness. I've heard about mindfulness. And yet I'm not

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quite clear. And I wish I could hear someone talk about

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mindfulness and share their experiences. So I would feel

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more comfortable, whether or not I can have this conversation

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brought into my, into my organization also. So you've

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been involved with mindfulness at SAP for how many years out?

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It's been three years now, three years. All right,

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backtracking to three years. What was the vision

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of, of the people in corporate SAP, that they decided that

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mindfulness was a key differentiator are a very

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important characteristic to bring within the organization?

Alp Geckalan:

Thanks, Ellen, first of all, thanks for having

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me. In this podcast, it's incredible to catch up with you.

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We had great experiences together great training sessions

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together. And I'm so happy that mindfulness was at the core of

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what of what you do and what we have been doing as well, as part

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of our training programs. It's been nine years that I'm working

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for SAP, my mindfulness journey started back in 2018 90, where I

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was practicing a mantra meditation. And then in 2020, I

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just bumped into an email came from the sap global mindfulness

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practice, global mindfulness initiative. And they were

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providing his course it's called Search Inside Yourself. Maybe

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you heard about it. Is this the course content, the approach

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built by Google? Actually, they've done lots of research.

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They've done lots of workshop, and then they realize

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mindfulness really increase the productivity, overall wellbeing

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in the company. And it really increased the leadership skills,

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especially for the managers. So SAP has decided to implement the

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same Search Inside Yourself global mindfulness initiative

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across the globe, more than 100,000 people working for SAP.

Alp Geckalan:

It's definitely not an easy task. But it's been 10 years,

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that ASAP implemented this methodology or initiative, let's

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say more than 15,000 people participated in more than 55

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countries. Now we reach out more than 70 internal trainers in

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more than 25 countries. We have 85 Ambassadors, which I'm one of

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them based in Dubai, covering the emir, South countries, and

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our virtual community reach more than 15,000 people. So from my

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perspective, it really helped me to develop my leadership skills.

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I'm running workshops, I'm running, guided meditations for

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the group kickoff meetings, for example, I deal with my team in

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a mindful manner, which I can discuss about the benefits

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later. But what I can say from an ambassador perspective, as a

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receiver of this training, I've seen lots of benefits out of

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this global mindfulness practice.

Alan Carroll:

Wow, that that was wonderful to hear to hear your

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story. Let's take a look at the benefits. Let's say let's just

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backtrack a little bit. And how would you if I'm not clear about

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the definition of mindfulness? And I'm listening to you talk,

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could you just tell me, in your own words, of course, the the

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definition or the the idea of what mindfulness, what

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mindfulness is?

Unknown:

Well, it's gonna be a difficult task to define it to

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you, because I learned mindfulness from you. But my

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definition of mindfulness is basically regulating your

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attention, consciously, your attitude. And then you don't

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judge anything, you just accept everything as it is, in that

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moment. This is how I see mindfulness. So you bring your

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conscious mind into a state, where you don't live in an

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autopilot world, when you actually notice everything

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around you in that moment. This is what mindfulness for me,

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that's a very good definition of mindfulness, that,

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that that points to the the fundamental skill is the skill

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of observation, to be able to observe, you're in a situation,

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the organization, something something's happening in front

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of you, your five senses are plugged into it, you can see it,

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you feel it, and something's being stirred up, it feels

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something's being stirred, energy stirred up, got thoughts

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being stirred up, and you're able to step back. Notice that,

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that. And just by noticing it, it begins to settle that energy.

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And so exactly what you said I thought was, was was was

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brilliant, wonderful. It's great to hear the ambassador speak

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with such eloquence about about the idea of mindfulness, because

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you, you hit it right on the head, it's that ability to

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observe your reaction, and then transform it into a response.

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And that that that is mentally balanced, physically balanced,

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emotionally balanced. And and now you have nine years of

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practice at SAP. And it's exciting to hear that the there

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is people who say that things are changing, people are

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changing. And so what are some of the benefits that you have

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noticed, in your organization, with with bringing mindfulness

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in,

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there are a couple of things like that I can easily

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mention top of my head, first of all, the meetings become more

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productive. For example, there is a practice what I usually do

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as well before joining a meeting, or just take a minute,

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it's, I would call it like a landing minutes, for example,

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right? When you go to landing with the plane, everybody's kind

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of focusing on the landing, it's the same metaphor, let's say for

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the meeting, I take a minute, focus on my breath. And then I

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go to into meeting to take the most out of it with the good

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intentions. Some of the managers, some of the people, I

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think, we've done it, and I'm still doing it, I'm not perfect.

Unknown:

You go to a meeting, and then still you're thinking of the

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previous meeting, or you're thinking of the next meeting,

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right? What I'm gonna say in the next meeting, what did they say

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to my What did they make a comment about the previous

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meeting? You basically missed the moment. Basically, that

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meeting is not productive because you're not focusing it

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right now. I think this is the first benefit in terms of

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productivity. If you become conscious about that moment,

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then you become more present. And then you focus on the

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meeting. So the productivity goes up. Second, is a personal

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power. If anyone bothers you, if any, anything bothers you,

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instead of reacting, you take a moment, and then you respond.

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This is where your personal power lies, I think. So you

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become more empowered, you become more powerful and strong,

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because you are in control of the moment, right? So now you

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become free, real hassle free of anxiety, free of salts, free of

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these chatter back of your head, right. So I think these two have

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its moment and the productivity, it's the best outcome.

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And the word freedom. Freedom is a another

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word that you said, which is that feeling of, of non

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judgmental, being able to see that you just made a judgment.

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And once again, it goes back to the observation to see I just

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made a judge still, you're good, I'm still gonna make judgments.

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But I noticed that I made a judgment. And I realized that

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the judgment is based on the past. And so I paint this moment

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with paint from the past, rather than be present it with and that

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is, like erasing you can you can erase the judgments that the

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judgment disappear? And an important part of the

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mindfulness, which is the next question I want to get into our

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is the is the embodiment of consciousness, rather than the

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disembodiment, of following the thoughts in your head? Versus is

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there something else I can do? Oh, yeah, there's the breath in

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the body, which allows you to become embodied. And that begins

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to diminish that, that that flow of energy to the thoughts, the

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flow of energy goes to the body where there are no thoughts. So

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what are some of the practices that that you have? seen done

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are do yourself with the teams that SAP?

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Individual level, if I talk about myself, I'm pretty

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judgmental person. And what I realize these judgments, as you

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said, it's coming from a programming, maybe from my

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childhood, maybe from the culture that I've been raised

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in, maybe from my parents, maybe the society, maybe the school,

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maybe the previous companies, right? This is absorbed by my

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subconscious mind. And then I'm judging everything, right? What

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I start to do, still not perfect, but I'm just a student,

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as you said, always,

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so am I try,

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try to notice it, label it, and then let it go focus on

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your breathing. It's easy to say, difficult to make, right?

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You're in a moment you say, Oh, this email is bad. Wow. bad or

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wrong? Or whom or from what perspective, right? Because I'm

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just literally judging it. But instead of charging, I could

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just, I'm judging it right now. Let it be, just breathe. And

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then think about your response. This is what I'm trying to do.

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It's good for self awareness.

Alan Carroll:

So let's just let's just go back on that one.

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Because it's real, real important that that people

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understand clearly what step one is. And step one is, before I

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try to stick my hands out into the world and make changes, I

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better stick hands into myself, and make sure that the

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instrument that is doing the perception is in a is stable.

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And the more stable it is, the clearer you are about

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appropriate courses of action. And often what I see is that

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people react to things in the outer world from a platform that

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is unstable. And you can you can see if you're looking the the

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unstability simply by the pattern and control of their

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speaking, because when you're out of control, you're out of

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control. You're speaking but if you are you're speaking big

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sounds a lot more grounded, a lot more powerful, a lot more

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clear. You're not caught by a hook by a story. And this I I'm

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pretty sure we're both on the same page. Is that correct?

Unknown:

100% 100%.

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Go ahead and, and talk about so you had mentioned

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guided meditations, that that to me is a wonderful tool. So share

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some of the, the guided, what is a guided meditation? And what

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are some of the guided meditations. And as a matter of

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fact, I would like you if you would to lead us all in a guided

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meditation, a couple of minute guided meditations so people can

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actually experience a guided meditation, whoa, okay, what was

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that.

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And, for example, just a couple of weeks ago, I was

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invited to a team kickoff meeting, where the regional

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heads wanted to create an awareness of the mindfulness and

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a bit of practice as well. And before we do the practice, I

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wanted to make them aware of themself, and also their

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surrounding, right. So I always start with a concept of the VUCA

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world, we are living in a very volatile, uncertain, complex,

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complex and ambiguity, environments, right. So they're

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aware that everything is changing, sometimes in their

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control, sometimes out of their control. Right. So their mind is

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constantly all there is a popup, it says, You got an email, there

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is a pop up, you got an SMS message there is something is

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happening. And it's all distractions, our mind is

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constantly on. However, by default, I think our body

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designed to be in the rest and digest situation or status,

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let's say. So how are we going to bring our mind and body into

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rest and digest status, right? Meditation is one of them. So

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this is how I build this story. Make sure that they're aware

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that this world is out of their control, but what they can

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control is their body and the reaction.

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When I say that, again, they can control that,

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again, you can't control what's outside of yourself, but you can

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control

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your reactions, your attitudes, and your state of

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mind.

Alan Carroll:

Yes, yes. And your physical body. Absolutely. And

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you can control your breath. So so these are things that are

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under your control. It's like, oh, I didn't know that. Oh,

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yeah. Yeah, you got under your control. And now that are under

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my control, what did you do next?

Unknown:

And so we're talking about the neurological system

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that we have. So if there isn't something out of our control,

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our body, our mind is designed to attach. So it's like a flight

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and fight mood all the time. So we perceive everything is a

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danger, danger. So like, it's like a lion wants to eat us.

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Yes. You know, this dinosaur wants to attack us or something.

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Yeah. However, it's just the perceived danger. Again, it

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comes from our back of our head, all of our programming. Yep.

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Programming coming from our previous life. When you get to

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that level, when you increase your awareness, then you say,

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wait a minute, it's, I don't need to fight with everything,

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it's coming to me, I can choose the battles. So they, you start

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to control your body, your breath, your reactions, your

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attitude, basically everything. So this is this leads to the

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next to the next, let's say metaphor that I usually use,

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it's imagine the waves in the ocean, you cannot control the

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ocean or the waves, but you can learn how to surf on it. So

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basically, the world is going to happen, it's going to turn

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regardless, if you worry about it. If you get anxious about it,

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if you get angry about it. It's okay. But you need to learn how

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to surf on these waves. That's the metaphor I'm using.

Alan Carroll:

Those are great, great metaphors. It's the There

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is a waking up kind of experience, from the dream of

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thought. And, and what I noticed in the work that I do is, if I

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can have you wake up from the dream of speaking, by

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consciously putting an empty space between the thoughts, you

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got to be present in the moment to be able to stop speaking

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consciously. And so that's another way of bringing

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mindfulness into into a corporation. It's through this,

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just the speaking piece. And that goes back to the leadership

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piece you talked about, what are some of the things that you see

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as a leader and a leader bringing mindfulness into their

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own way of being? What are some of the observations that you

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have seen?

Unknown:

There are scientific evidences that cool, let's say

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it's been put out there, that it really physically builds your

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brain, neuroplasticity, that I like to also mention in any any

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mindfulness. Conversation, it's like, working out, when you work

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out your muscles, then you get bigger muscles, right? Like

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biceps, and so on. And meditation is similar to that

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when you do meditation. It physically, physically helps

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your brain to grow. The gray matter is actually growing. This

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is incredible, really. And what I see as a benefit, when I when

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I talk to my colleagues in the global mindfulness initiative,

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the decision making process in a complex world we talk about the

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VUCA world, it makes it easier because you make more conscious

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decisions rather than reacting something you're responding to

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something right. So in the complex environment, you make a

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better decision. I can talk about the creativity. So

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remember, dictation, absolutely as in, increase your creativity,

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right? And maybe last thing that I can talk about is the

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emotional regulation. Yes. So basically, you control your

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emotions, you just sometimes with your emotions array, and

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with potions, you are trying to respond to a situation. That I

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think is

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the regulating of emotions is like there's there's

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so many things that you could get emotional about going on

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outside and the outside world across the planet, that if you

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had a way that you could regulate your emotions, so that

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you didn't get hooked by your emotions that I have emotions,

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but I have control of the emotions, rather than the

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emotions have control of me. That would be that would be a

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major major underlying it. Many, many times benefit of

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mindfulness in a corporation.

Unknown:

I think I asked you this during our one of the

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training sessions, what about the feelings and I remember you

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said, feelings are like it, like traffic signs, or an indicator.

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It shows there is a red flag over here. When you're getting

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angry at a situation. The situation is not making you

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angry. You're feeling anger because of that situation. So

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basically, as you said, we need to turn ourselves and regulate

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that emotion. Why am I feeling anger at this very moment?

Alan Carroll:

So many good things anger. What would it be

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like to be in an environment in which anger attack thoughts were

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totally eliminated, that people could regulate, they could still

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get upset. Yet they're able to control the upset so that when

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they spoke, they didn't spoke from an ego human in it, but

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they spoke from a being of compassion, inclusion, seeing

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the different 360 points of view about it and and my physical

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body went on speaking is totally relaxed. And that would be what

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a vision that that would be and I believe that mindfulness that

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sap in the conversation of Mindfulness is a pathway to that

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conscious, keeping my body physically relaxed, no matter

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what's going on outside of me kind of stuff. And one of the

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ways that I'd like to complete our conversation is by having

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you to do a two or two or three minute mindfulness guided

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meditation with us, we'll have our we'll close our eyes and

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relax our body, so that people in the audience can actually

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experientially taste a little bit of the of the secret sauce

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of mindfulness.

Unknown:

Okay, all right. And we can, so we just need to find the

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posture that feels both relax, alert at the same time. So we

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make sure that we are not sleeping, you can put your feet

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on the floor, hand on the size,

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and we're not driving a car by the way, we're

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we are safe.

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If your eyes close, or with a soft focus, you don't

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need to close, maybe soft focus just in front of you. Make sure

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that you're not getting distracted, allowing the spine

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to live, shoulders relax. Let's start with getting into focus

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state of being become aware of your feet, contacting on the

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ground, then your weight pressure on the sitting bones on

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the chair. Then the sensation in your upper body, take a deep

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breath. And that really is it you can feel the sensation of

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your breathing in your upper body. Whenever the sensation is

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most vivid for you become your attention to your breath there.

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Consider your chosen sensation as the stabilizer of your

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attention to come back to your focal point whenever needed.

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You may get distracted with some thoughts, sounds or something

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you see. Just bring your attention back to your breath.

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Breath is your anchor to the present moment.

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Distractions are coming, they're going instead of hooked up with

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that or fighting with them. Notice it, label it. Let it be

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and then bring your attention to your breath.

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You can take one long inhale and then deep exhale. And then

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slowly you can open your eye

Alan Carroll:

very relaxing, very relaxing. And if I was

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listening to this podcast, then I could actually use that guided

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meditation with my team. It's a short one. I think it lasts

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about two or three minutes. And it just gets people to begin to

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disconnect from the outer world and focus more on what's going

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on on the inner world. I remember someone said that the

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The way out is to go in. If you want to get out of whatever that

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complex world that we live in with all the emotional things I

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want to get out of going crazy. You got to go in to get out. And

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so mindfulness is that journey inward. So I want to thank you

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out for sharing with us the journey that you're on

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personally and professionally. It was exciting to hear you

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share it. And I'm just so happy that now when we send it out

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into the universe, other managers and other their

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corporate people, and other people can begin to integrate

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these these easily gotten mindfulness tools. And a couple

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of the questions. One was, if I was wanting to get a hold of you

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or connect with you, is there a way that I can connect with you

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an email or website or something?

Unknown:

LinkedIn would be great place to reach out to me. I'll

Unknown:

catch Golan, you can reach out to me on LinkedIn. It's, I have

Unknown:

quite a big network, over 10,000 people and it's growing. So I'm

Unknown:

happy to accept people who are listening to this podcast. And

Unknown:

I'm happy to respond to them if they have any questions.

Alan Carroll:

Wonderful. Well, thank you very much. It's been a

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wonderful opportunity and exciting to hear you speak and I

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look forward to having more conversations because you are a

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rich resource. So thank you very much.

Unknown:

Thanks for having me. Thank you so much. Thanks.

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