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LOSING MY MIND - FRONTOTEMPORAL DEMENTIA (FTD) With Kris Bowring
Episode 528th November 2023 • Shining Brightly • Howard Brown
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Episode Summary – "YOU CAN’T CHANGE YOUR LIFE – UNTIL YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND” in Episode 52 of the Shining Brightly Podcast show (links in the comments), titled, “LOSING MY MIND - FRONTOTEMPORAL DEMENTIA (FTD)” please meet my very special guest, Kris Bowring. He is a son, husband, and father. bass player, VP and business executive, motorcycle rider and SO MUCH MORE. He lived with ME and the MYSTERY of what was going on with his health. The secret he was told to hide. Finally. He was diagnosed after 18 long months and stuttering lead his doctors to finally figure it out, he has FTD. This quiet and hard to diagnose disease has severe symptoms of aphasia (loss of the ability to understand or express speech, caused by brain damage). Hollywood actor Bruce Willis (caregiver angel - wife Emma) was diagnosed with FTD after 3 long years. Hear Kris’s story for the first time on a podcast of how his life has been changed and he is living with FTD and what he has learned. Join me to learn about Kris’ courageous story (caregiver angel – wife Cassie). Please listen, download, review and share this incredible episode.

 

Mentioned Resources

Kris Bowring - LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristenbowring/

Association for Frontotemporal Degeneration

https://www.theaftd.org/

National Aphasia Association

https://www.aphasia.org/

National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke

https://www.ninds.nih.gov/health-information/disorders/frontotemporal-disorders

About the guest –

Kris Bowring, and I have FTD. Currently, I have a Logogenic Variant PPA. My brain damage is in the Frontal, Temporal, and Parietal Lobes of each with various damage. I will be very honest, authentic, and fair. I felt that the Global FTD Awareness Week was the perfect time to tell my short story. Me and the mystery. I was a Vice President of Innovation and Development, it was a decent job, but I wasn’t the me, I knew I should be. My wife knew something was wrong, at one point we thought it was Meniere's disease symptoms of Vertigo, tinnitus, and hearing loss. Still, I worked harder, and she watched while I began to be slightly paranoid. I left the company. Shortly after the job loss, I decided to have an outpatient surgery procedure since I had time. My time with the Doctor showed no illness or anything else. I was PERFECT. She asked, “If there were any other questions,” and my response was “I’ve heard about long-term COVID-causing stuttering, I’ve never stuttered.”  She must have noticed as well, and she scheduled a neurologist immediately. Seemed every test required blood work. Our doctor was very aware when I told her I was stuttering, I have never stuttered in my life, but it is a big symptom. We met with the Surgeon, several tests, and two MRI reviews. Then I was sent to a Neuropsychological Therapist and took five hours of crazy testing brain testing and puzzles. My PET Scan was on Valentine's Day 2023 and the results were in, I have Frontal, Temporal, and Parietal damage. All this work on and around me, the doctors, nurses, PA’s all did great work. The teams knew what to do. It took only 10 months to have the complete diagnosis. This is not what so many don’t experience, 3.6 years is way too long. We simply need to get the right people in place to understand, more people in the system need to know more. Terminal? Yes, it is. How long do I have, the answer is we don't know. During that same period, we needed to manage the insurance, financial resources, and the government for disability services and state services. There is a cost to all the needed Services. There is tremendous pressure, time, and anxiety. The anguish FTD creates, in all the mess, all the anxiety, all the anxious worry at 3:57 AM. FTD won’t reveal what will happen, what are the likely deficits in functions coming, how much time, and the anger. This is where I privately cry, it will break any man or woman. This is the end of you, this is the end of your ego, and you crash into your broken default behavior. It’s just you. Alone and enormous.

The Quiet did Come. We had a terrible 2022 year, but then two angels came to my battle-worn ego. They rescued me and turned me into a Yes-Man. Are we happy, in general, maybe, we have our moments, and those moments are creating more. I do have Miracles, and I walk beside them every day, and I cannot believe the caliber of my miracles, and friendship. Do I have a worthy purpose? Yes, and working, FTD is a known unknown, and many doctors, neurologists, and neural surgeons need to get known. Corporations need to know the people who directly interface with the Patient.

About the Host:

Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.

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Howard Brown:

Hello, it's Howard Brown. It's the shining brightly

Howard Brown:

show. Oh my goodness. We're hitting the fall. It's shining.

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The leaves are dropping some places. I am so happy to have

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you here your Maestro with the mic. I've got an incredible

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person. Guest. Oh my goodness. Shout out to John Rapoport and

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introduce us. Kris Bowring. Welcome to the shining, brightly

Howard Brown:

podcast show. How are you?

Kris Bowring:

I'm good. I'm good.

Howard Brown:

I'm so happy to have you. We were introduced in

Howard Brown:

the mid summer. And Kris is now back to share a really important

Howard Brown:

message and story and one of inspiration. One of a lot of a

Howard Brown:

lot of stuff he's been through. Okay, and, and some hope so,

Howard Brown:

Kris, it'll take me back and introduce, you know, before

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again, this, this all happened. And I'm not saying it for a

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reason. It's not a mystery. We're going to talk a lot about

Howard Brown:

what happened to Kris. But take me back to Kris before what

Howard Brown:

happened to you and tell me about that Kris.

Kris Bowring:

Kris before was a vice president of innovation and

Kris Bowring:

development for big corporations. And I loved being

Kris Bowring:

in corporate America. And I loved all the things that you

Kris Bowring:

get when you're doing well in corporate America. But I came

Kris Bowring:

into I went to the doctor for some some I actually

Howard Brown:

talked about you. You're a husband, you're a dad.

Kris Bowring:

Yeah, well, okay. Well, let me it goes better than

Kris Bowring:

that. So I'm, I'm a father of three wonderful, very smart

Kris Bowring:

kids. Sophie, Luca, and Sadie, my wife is she's she's been

Kris Bowring:

watching me and in babysitting me. And she and she always is my

Kris Bowring:

sounding board for everything that I was doing. And it's a

Kris Bowring:

great relationship. Really look fun. We love the desert and land

Kris Bowring:

and everything like that. I also am a bass player. And I played

Kris Bowring:

live and for the record companies and stuff like that,

Kris Bowring:

and those things, and I was a former triathlete. So I was

Kris Bowring:

doing triathlon, triathlons. And I have 42 races that was in and,

Kris Bowring:

and I kept trying to keep my, my, my, my shape. But, but it

Kris Bowring:

were, it was really good. We were in our, our time to have

Kris Bowring:

the kids and be with them. And then and then take them with us.

Kris Bowring:

And, and, and because they're old enough, like so they can go

Kris Bowring:

do their things and go on under. But then I came out of that

Kris Bowring:

doctor's office and I had a real bad piece of news.

Howard Brown:

you got the awakening. So now transitioning

Howard Brown:

to you and your mystery me and my mystery, as you call it.

Kris Bowring:

Me in the mystery. Well, you go when you when you

Kris Bowring:

are when you have FTD and we'll talk about how and what and what

Kris Bowring:

it does. It's a secret. People will telling me, Don't tell your

Kris Bowring:

employer that you have this. And that was odd to me. Because when

Kris Bowring:

you are hiding something you are losing your mind. Because you

Kris Bowring:

think that somebody's going to find about find it about you

Kris Bowring:

that you have this brain disorder, and you're the

Kris Bowring:

Villious president, maybe I can knock him off or something like

Kris Bowring:

that. But I didn't like living with this illness. And the more

Kris Bowring:

and more I was working with it, the more and more I was talking

Kris Bowring:

to people, the more and more that I studied about what is

Kris Bowring:

going to happen. I couldn't I couldn't bear. And so last week,

Kris Bowring:

I said I'm out. I'm all out. This is what's happening to me.

Kris Bowring:

And this is what's going on. So,

Howard Brown:

so pronounced pronounced. It's frontal.

Howard Brown:

Temporal degeneration, correct.

Kris Bowring:

Yeah. Right. So temporal dementia. Yeah.

Howard Brown:

And so, right, you came out it was it was basically

Howard Brown:

the frontal temporal degeneration and brain damage

Howard Brown:

month and you came out and told your story in a couple of

Howard Brown:

different ways. And you've been through the wringer. Man, and

Howard Brown:

you are doing great. So I get it, and we are on the same.

Howard Brown:

We're aligned there. So take us through, because you didn't

Howard Brown:

really know what was happening to you. But you went into a

Howard Brown:

doctor's appointment and you were you were stuttering, right?

Kris Bowring:

Yes. So that's one of the big ones in in the

Kris Bowring:

flavours of symptoms. And I had no idea. And it was the, the

Kris Bowring:

grind that I had, you'd like Kris, you need to go here, you

Kris Bowring:

need to go here, you need to go to here, you need to do this,

Kris Bowring:

you need to do all this. Here, we got to go put you in, in the

Kris Bowring:

the puzzles they gave me they were they were actually tests

Kris Bowring:

that I was taking to see how much of my brain has been

Kris Bowring:

affected. And, and in one after the other and they were

Kris Bowring:

required. And then all of a sudden they're saying, Hey, you

Kris Bowring:

may be can't drive your car anymore. And I'm like, How do I

Kris Bowring:

get the test to tell me that. So I still can't do it. But there's

Kris Bowring:

limits on it. There are I cannot drive to this day with my kids

Kris Bowring:

in the car. And so I have to take, I get the car all the time

Kris Bowring:

has to be empty. Because there there there could be something

Kris Bowring:

that would go haywire and have an accident and stuff like that.

Kris Bowring:

So. So those were done. But now the mystery of it is it's gone.

Kris Bowring:

I know what it is. I know where I'm going. I know how much I do.

Kris Bowring:

I do not know how much time I have, because nobody does. And

Kris Bowring:

they don't know when it came in as well. So this could have this

Kris Bowring:

could have been four years old. But but now I feel like I'm

Kris Bowring:

settled. And the mystery is, is now because of you right now.

Kris Bowring:

You're my guy. For the first first time. I've never done a

Kris Bowring:

podcast.

Howard Brown:

I know. But I'm glad I am because we're going to

Howard Brown:

tell your story. And we're going to tell how through it all.

Howard Brown:

You're shining brightly. So there is you have a famous

Howard Brown:

brother of former Hollywood Bruce Willis that has an

Howard Brown:

aphasia. And so he's bringing some more awareness to this

Howard Brown:

because I have to tell you before I met you this summer,

Howard Brown:

I'd had no idea about this degeneration and the brain

Howard Brown:

damage and, and all that. So you know, we got a little bit of

Howard Brown:

Hollywood here shining on it as well, because he's going through

Howard Brown:

what you're going through.

Kris Bowring:

He is and Emma is so on it. Like a little bit. I'm

Kris Bowring:

trying to chase her around, because she is just always

Kris Bowring:

there. And she's had some bad, bad news all along. Now he but

Kris Bowring:

Bruce, the reason it is so bad for him right now is that it

Kris Bowring:

took them three and a half years to give them a diagnosis. For

Kris Bowring:

me, I got mine in 18 months. And they are and people who have

Kris Bowring:

done that have said we How did you get all these things fast?

Kris Bowring:

When on my letters came out? They were saying how did you do

Kris Bowring:

that? Well, how do you do this? How do you get to, you know,

Kris Bowring:

disability, and just there was there was 5000 people that were

Kris Bowring:

emailing me and thanking me and stuff like that. But there's a

Kris Bowring:

there's a lot of work to do in this vein of brain disorders.

Kris Bowring:

Yeah.

Howard Brown:

And yet so you So Emma is Bruce Willis, his wife

Howard Brown:

and caregiver and your wife remind me of her name? Cassie,

Howard Brown:

Cassie, they are angels on this earth because my wife Lisa, and

Howard Brown:

for cancer one, my parents, Nancy and Marshall Brown, they

Howard Brown:

are angels because they have to basically look after us. Because

Howard Brown:

we have trouble looking after ourselves when we're going

Howard Brown:

through the war and through this tornado, and all that sort of

Howard Brown:

stuff. So I agree. It's something and so for you to be

Howard Brown:

able to shed light to this and I will tell you there will be lots

Howard Brown:

of links on the post and in the show notes. So for people to

Howard Brown:

want to be able to learn and potentially even help out, you

Howard Brown:

know, on this from the different organisations, the aftd.org and

Howard Brown:

all that as well. So take me through you basically went from

Howard Brown:

stuttering at your general doctors to a neurologist. Right.

Howard Brown:

Right to it. Yeah. And what they were just basically doing every

Howard Brown:

sort of test they could on your brain Right and giving you these

Howard Brown:

puzzles as well and trying to figure out the extent of the

Howard Brown:

disease.

Kris Bowring:

Yeah, it was, it was quite a ride. But we finally

Kris Bowring:

got to our pet scan. And the PET scan made it really, really real

Kris Bowring:

for me, because I could see what's going on in the brain, in

Kris Bowring:

my brain. And so, so it was it was weird. You know, but I'm

Kris Bowring:

always kind of a, I'm optimistic of everything. And, and I like

Kris Bowring:

hanging around with optimistic people. But I looked at that,

Kris Bowring:

and I not only have it in frontal in, on my forehead, and

Kris Bowring:

then the temporal, all of them, all four have damage, but I also

Kris Bowring:

have parietal. And they say, Kris, you're one in a million.

Kris Bowring:

The you you've got, you've got more damage than most will have.

Kris Bowring:

And, and that's, that's when it, it really hit me and really hit

Kris Bowring:

me that I was doing things very, very, very wrong. I was still

Kris Bowring:

angry. Just so angry. And you know, when when we had to do

Kris Bowring:

some things that it felt like I went, I have to sell my car. I

Kris Bowring:

love that car. Oh, and I have to I got a motorcycle too. And I

Kris Bowring:

love them your motorcycle, and it's gotta go. And then I was

Kris Bowring:

like, Gee, I hope we can't I hope I don't have to sell any

Kris Bowring:

basis. But the but I was everything that was kind of what

Kris Bowring:

I would tell you, the manhood was stripped away. And, and I

Kris Bowring:

had to get I had to get help to, to help me not curl up and, and

Kris Bowring:

get in a corner and do nothing.

Howard Brown:

Yeah, so I love the fact that you're, you're

Howard Brown:

you're telling your story, you're coming out, listen, it is

Howard Brown:

okay to be angry, it is okay to be depressed, it is okay to

Howard Brown:

isolate for a short period of time, just to take it all in.

Howard Brown:

Because 18 months to diagnosis. Bruceville is three years of

Howard Brown:

diagnosis. That seems like an eternity to me. And I love the

Howard Brown:

fact that you're sharing, and people are actually coming to

Howard Brown:

you, one applauding that you're coming out and telling you

Howard Brown:

because they have their stories too. But you're gonna you're

Howard Brown:

helping so many now, your toys are getting taken away. That is

Howard Brown:

part of your manhood your motor. I hope they don't want to take

Howard Brown:

your guitar, your bass guitar away from you, I Oh, I hope that

Howard Brown:

you can even hold that even if he can't play it very well.

Howard Brown:

Yeah, man, that feeling. And so I hope you'll be able to

Howard Brown:

preserve all that. And so you know, your kids now, you know,

Howard Brown:

everybody knows, your wife knows. And, quite frankly, if

Howard Brown:

you do Google the diagnosis, it gives you a your lifetime is

Howard Brown:

being shortened for sure. And mine too, you know, with stage

Howard Brown:

four cancer diagnosis, as well. And you got to make some

Howard Brown:

decisions here now. And you know, your wife is basically got

Howard Brown:

to watch you and and all that as well. And so this is it's tough

Howard Brown:

mentally, to be able to adjust to being, you know, the man of

Howard Brown:

the family and being also independent as well, some of

Howard Brown:

your independence is taken away, as well. But I gotta tell you,

Howard Brown:

man, you're doing great. Today. There's a lot going on here.

Howard Brown:

You're talking, it's emotional, and all that sort of stuff. So

Howard Brown:

tell me about you know, your mom said you're the patient patient.

Howard Brown:

Because you waited so long here, go into that, because you've

Howard Brown:

been through a lot.

Kris Bowring:

Yeah, it's it is a lot. But it I think so you and

Kris Bowring:

I, you know, there was something about my team that made it moved

Kris Bowring:

fast, faster. And I was I was I thought that was hard as hard to

Kris Bowring:

wait. But, you know, but you can I was slowing myself down to

Kris Bowring:

retire because that's what my life was saying. You need to

Kris Bowring:

retire and just go work out every morning and do all these

Kris Bowring:

other things, which I do because that's part of the symptoms, to

Kris Bowring:

err on the symptoms. Like go get a workout, read, play a gig

Kris Bowring:

guitar, and no alcohol. And that was that was a I was so sad to

Kris Bowring:

see Alcohol go. But now I've been sober since a the since

Kris Bowring:

last May and everything like that. But the the, the two

Kris Bowring:

breaking moments were me trying to me trying to talk to my kids

Kris Bowring:

about this. And it was all tears. And then And then shortly

Kris Bowring:

thereafter, to friends of mine from in Omaha where I go, I went

Kris Bowring:

to number I was in Nebraska college. And these are my two

Kris Bowring:

best friends, they came to me. And my wife had organised a

Kris Bowring:

brunch, and they came walking in, and I didn't even think and

Kris Bowring:

I looked at it, and they were both there. And they're twin

Kris Bowring:

brothers. And they said, We're here to take you up to Omaha,

Kris Bowring:

we're going to go to the All Star game they got. And they

Kris Bowring:

had, they had two parties, for me to be with all of the people

Kris Bowring:

that we had in, in Omaha, just like, fantastic. That helped me

Kris Bowring:

become much, much more. Because there's nobody for me to talk.

Kris Bowring:

You know, but the and that was all the talking, we did all this

Kris Bowring:

stuff. It was great was wonderful. And now I say that

Kris Bowring:

they're the ones that make made me a yes, man. So if you want me

Kris Bowring:

to do something with you, I'm gonna do it, I'll do it. I'll go

Kris Bowring:

and Cassie saying, Please don't jump out of a plane, or anything

Kris Bowring:

like that.

Howard Brown:

But here's the deal. So you went from a little

Howard Brown:

bit of isolation, okay, and you hear about Bruce Willis. And now

Howard Brown:

you're in contact together, and you found your people, you found

Howard Brown:

your people that you actually know, and you're bringing

Howard Brown:

awareness to this, you're doing what you can do. And also you're

Howard Brown:

deciding to get help from others, you can talk to people.

Howard Brown:

So I know that when I talk to other people in the midst of

Howard Brown:

their cancer battle, you know, we have this understanding,

Howard Brown:

okay, because we're going through it. And listen, everyone

Howard Brown:

has to fight their own battle. But still, when you actually be

Howard Brown:

it becomes a team sport, it actually does become a little

Howard Brown:

bit easier. So you don't have to carry all that weight on you.

Howard Brown:

And I have to tell you, that you're you're hanging in there,

Howard Brown:

and all you can do every day is get out of bed and see what you

Howard Brown:

can accomplish that day. And you you are doing that. And you have

Howard Brown:

amazing, you know, angel on Earth, Cassie, and your kids,

Howard Brown:

and you're doing it and so this is why we decided to do this

Howard Brown:

podcast today. And we don't know what life's gonna throw at us.

Howard Brown:

But you're doing whatever you can do in the in the time that

Howard Brown:

we have. And and you're gonna motivate, educate and inspire.

Howard Brown:

And that's what I love about you, Chris, is that you've

Howard Brown:

decided to do that as well. And so take me through of what your

Howard Brown:

plans are now, what do you what do you see, in the short term

Howard Brown:

coming for you you want to accomplish?

Kris Bowring:

Well, I'm going to try and storm as many people in

Kris Bowring:

corporate America about what does this because above and

Kris Bowring:

before anything, this this disease is attacking so many

Kris Bowring:

people in so many different ways that it they called it the quiet

Kris Bowring:

a long time to it but but you cannot do that the best thing

Kris Bowring:

should be okay, I have it, I go to HR or something like that, or

Kris Bowring:

you ease your way out of your job. So that you can have,

Kris Bowring:

you're going to be asked to do that to get some of the things

Kris Bowring:

that will be much more beneficial in in your life. And

Kris Bowring:

then the other thing is, when if there if you keep in a mystery

Kris Bowring:

and stuff like that, it makes you anxious all night, not at

Kris Bowring:

357 in the morning, you're taught you're you're you're

Kris Bowring:

walking, you're still walking the thing. And then what I found

Kris Bowring:

was that it was alone and enormous. And it was so hard not

Kris Bowring:

to get just angst and but but it did. Then the thing starts to

Kris Bowring:

started getting better. And then the things are doing helped me

Kris Bowring:

kind of get through the night and and be the dad, and you

Kris Bowring:

know, my kids, if you'll see them sometime. And then they

Kris Bowring:

will, they will, I will, I will make jokes about what I've got,

Kris Bowring:

like, every time I can't remember something, I'm like,

Kris Bowring:

Well, you know, I gotta I gotta FTD password on that, but just

Kris Bowring:

trying to, to live the life. So the people also when it happens,

Kris Bowring:

you, you don't want to let your your husband or your wife go

Kris Bowring:

into the corner. They still are there. They they and in my case,

Kris Bowring:

I still got the voice. I won't have it in. But I don't know

Kris Bowring:

what how long I've got. So I'm trying to talk to people about

Kris Bowring:

this. And just about that, this, this, this is life saving work.

Howard Brown:

I have to tell you, Chris, so I love that

Howard Brown:

you're the crusade that you're on to inform, make aware

Howard Brown:

corporate corporations, their HR departments, so that people can

Howard Brown:

understand that. Because so they can make the empathetic decision

Howard Brown:

to be able to retire you gracefully or still support you.

Howard Brown:

Because, listen, you're, you still have so much more to give

Howard Brown:

and to accomplish. And so I have to tell you, I have chemo brain,

Howard Brown:

which is a form of PTSD. All right, I sometimes do make a

Howard Brown:

joke about it. But it's not a joking matter. Okay, I can't

Howard Brown:

remember I can't remember names anymore. And I was a Spitfire

Howard Brown:

for names and all that. And, and what I see you doing, which I

Howard Brown:

think is so important is that and, and I might do this in

Howard Brown:

other disease communities. But we have a little mantra in the

Howard Brown:

cancer world. And I'm sure you'll carry this forward and

Howard Brown:

the FTD world as well as kfg. Okay, we got what we got, and

Howard Brown:

you got to keep effing going without the swear word, right,

Howard Brown:

keep everything going. And that's all you can do until your

Howard Brown:

voice is taken. And then you'll do it by written word, or you'll

Howard Brown:

do it by some other way, you'll get the message out. And that's

Howard Brown:

all you can do. So it's just so important. And I love the fact

Howard Brown:

that I'm your first podcast, because there'll be all these

Howard Brown:

people trying to contact you and, and you're going to help so

Howard Brown:

many. And that that does that give back is so important for

Howard Brown:

you. So what I want to do now, is I'm going to put on my

Howard Brown:

sunglasses, all right, because Chris, you are shining brightly.

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And I want people to say how should people get in touch with

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you? And give me a final message that you want to tell my

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audience and the rest of the social media world? What do you

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want to talk about? Well, well, good touch you.

Kris Bowring:

Yeah, well, to reach me just do my Gmail,

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Gmail, because I'm, I'm more attuned to that, then and, and

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then LinkedIn. So LinkedIn is a good one, because I'll be able

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to do a lot much much more and, and and handle it. One

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way. So Chris, I'm gonna put, I'm gonna put your in

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the notes and the social media, I'm going to put your Kristen

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dot bow ring at Gmail, and then I'm going to put your LinkedIn

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address, so people can just click on it, and they can get in

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touch with you. And I think that's beautiful. And then

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you'll be able to get them information about the aftd.org

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the aphasia.org and connect them up. And I it's such a beautiful

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thing. So what's some message or messages you want, you want to

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leave the listening group,

Kris Bowring:

I would like to just say that, that don't hide

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behind anything is good to maybe hide behind your father or

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anything like that. But try to if you have it, figure out how

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to live with it because the things that I rattled off like

Kris Bowring:

the working out reading the everybody should be doing that

Kris Bowring:

anyway, so it but the it helps and and you can find help. If

Kris Bowring:

you're feeling or if your wife is telling you you're not the

Kris Bowring:

man you're not, you're not behaving like like you normally

Kris Bowring:

did, which she did say to me. And so there was something

Kris Bowring:

wrong. We had to get to it. And then we did it and we got to it

Kris Bowring:

and we were all ruffled and but we need to keep moving forward.

Kris Bowring:

And and keep do this go go to an event go to and and then read

Kris Bowring:

and this FTD is in a class like Alzheimer's. And the one thing

Kris Bowring:

that you do with Alzheimer's and FTD is not take their medicine,

Kris Bowring:

you can damage your head a lot harder if you're taking out

Kris Bowring:

Alzheimer's stuff. So so that's what I would say, stay alive.

Howard Brown:

So I want to tell you, you, your fighting spirit,

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your courageousness is so admired. You're you're digging

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in deep here, you're living your life. And, and that's what you

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got to do. And so, this has been a really one emotional and a

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deep show. For me personally, because I resonate with what

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you're doing, and I'm in your corner, I know you're in my

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corner. And that's what we do, we bond together, we lift each

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other up. And so this is you can find me our brown at the shining

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brightly.com You can find about my speaking, you could write

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about the book, shining brightly is doing so great. You can even

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find it on Amazon or contact me directly. You could find out

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about the podcast, which this will come out in a couple of

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weeks. Doing great 25,000 downloads, people are listening,

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they're getting inspired, they're getting informed,

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they're getting motivated, educated, and it's just

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tremendous. And then you can learn about my advocacy work, my

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advocacy, work in entrepreneurism, interfaith and

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in cancer. And now Kris has advocacy work and FTD. So, if we

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shine brightly, just a little bit each day for ourselves,

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which Kris does, and we do we take care of ourselves, then you

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help others which he's doing, I'm doing, okay. And our

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communities like we're giving all this great information

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today, the world will be a better place. So Kris, thank

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you. You are a friend. You are brother in arms. What a great

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show. Thank you for being here.

Kris Bowring:

Thank you very much.

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