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Cissy Houston & The Sweet Inspirations Were Game Changing Pioneers
Episode 164 • 15th November 2024 • Queue Points • Queue Points LLC
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In this episode of the Queue Points Podcast, hosts DJ Sir Daniel and Jay Ray dive into the remarkable legacy of Cissy Houston and the iconic group, The Sweet Inspirations. They discuss Cissy's recent passing, her influence as a vocal arranger, and her solo career. The episode highlights the group's contributions to Black music history, their work with legendary artists, and their impact on genres from gospel to hip-hop. Tune in to hear about the music that shaped generations and the indelible mark left by these extraordinary women.

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Speaker:

DJ Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

Speaker:

I'm DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray:

And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government

Jay Ray:

as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III and Sir Daniel, I am really excited about the

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conversation that we're about to have.

Jay Ray:

DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

Jay Ray:

Could we, because Queue Points podcast is the podcast dropping

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the needle on black music history.

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Yeah,

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DJ Sir Daniel: feel like right about now we could use a little sweet inspiration.

Jay Ray:

How about you?

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you know what?

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That is absolutely true.

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And I honestly miss style of singing in our music landscape.

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Like we just don't do it like The Sweet Inspirations did it anymore.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

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Sadly, um, Cissy Houston passed away on October 7th of 2024 at the age of 91.

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And the world, of course, is familiar with Cissy Houston as Dionne Warwick's

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aunt and the mother of a singer you may or may not have heard of.

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have, you may have heard of her.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So just a little singer, a little vocalist by the name of

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Whitney Houston, um, was her daughter.

Jay Ray:

She, she gave birth to the voice.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: but the thing people need to realize is that

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Cissy Houston was her own voice.

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She mama had her own bag before Whitney came along.

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And on this episode, we're going to talk about Cissy Houston and

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The Sweet Inspirations and the legacy that they left behind.

Jay Ray:

So Jerry,

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: um, A lot of people don't realize that Cissy Houston was not only

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a background vocalist, but she was, like we saying, she was a part of the, a major

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group called The Sweet Inspirations, and we'll talk about their impact as a

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group, but she was also a vocal arranger.

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Yeah,

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DJ Sir Daniel: What they would call her today is she's a vocal, she

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would be called a vocal producer.

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What do you think?

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yeah.

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So that would absolutely be true.

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And um, we've seen now a lot of clips of, uh, Miss Houston, um, with got in front

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of gospel choirs, just kind of directing.

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And when you listen.

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To miss Houston saying you hear Whitney Houston and the way that she

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was able to use her vocal, kind of the vocal inflections and some of the

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playing that Whitney ultimately did.

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Um, vocally, you actually hear her mother doing those things because the

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thing that is really important about Whitney Houston's career and Whitney

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talks about this that her mother.

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coached her, right?

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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a vocal producer today, but when you go back in time and

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you listen to these amazing voices, you hear that great combination of

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soul, gospel, and jazz just mixed in

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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Silence.

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Silence.

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Silence.

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Silence.

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right.

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This is actually the last official album that, uh, Cissy appeared on.

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She left the group after this in 1969, but, um, it's called sweets for my sweet.

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And I want to read a quote from, um, the liner notes.

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So.

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Back in the day, kids,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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you would not only get liner notes so you can know

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who produced records, you would also get like a story, right?

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So the story here, and the quote I want to read is from the second paragraph.

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The Sweet Inspirations, all from gospel backgrounds, found that they could utilize

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those roots when they began working around recording studios as background singers.

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They soon became so proficient that they were still are one of the most called

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on background singers in the country.

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Aretha Franklin, Wilson Pickett, Herbie Mann, Nina Simone, Solomon

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Burke, Chuck Jackson, and many, many others have used the voices that

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The Sweet Inspirations have heard.

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polished and honed to perfection.

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So that was on this record.

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And another quick note about this record, Sir Daniel, which is related

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to another diva that we recently did a show about is Miss Chaka Khan.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Hmm.

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All of the string arrangements, because back then, you know, the

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kids had strings in the studio,

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DJ Sir Daniel: a whole orchestra.

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orchestra.

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All of the string arrangements were done by one Arif Mardin who produced

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the Chaka Khan albums as well.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Right.

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And of course, we will talk about it.

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Also, um, Cissy Houston ended up singing backgrounds on one of the

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biggest hits off of that album.

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I'm every woman,

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Yup.

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DJ Sir Daniel: to sweets for my sweet on.

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And you see on those liner notes.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: had on the album, as far as writers and producers was like none other,

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some of the featured writers on the album.

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Speaking of I'm every woman, a young Ashford and Simpson were writers

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early in their career were writers on that album, the iconic Carol King,

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who is a Kennedy center award winner.

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Like she's literally, literally written.

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Some of the most iconic songs in the American songbook.

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And of course, and another amazing songwriter Bert Bacharach and his

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partner, uh, Hal David at the time co wrote on this album as well.

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Like Bert and Cissy.

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Emily Drinkard, EmilCissyssy, Cissy, Emily.

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I don't know how black people came up with that nickname of calling her Cissy,

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but we're going to give you a nickname.

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But yes, Emily Drinkard is also known as Cissy Houston,

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professionally Cissy Houston.

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But, um, yeah, so Burt Baccarat must have loved him some Cissy because

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he loved him some Dion and continued to work with these ladies again.

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So Dionne was Cissy's aunt,

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: and isn't, wasn't Dionne one of the original

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members of The Sweet Inspirations,

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Back when they were the Drinkard singers, Dionne and her sister

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Dee Dee, um, were a part of the group.

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And What's so dope about this is just kind of the legacy of the Drinkard family.

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So they are famously related to Leontine Price, which people did not know

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DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm.

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Shout out to Danielle Smith, who has a whole chapter kind of dedicated

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to the Drinkard bloodline in her book.

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Um, so definitely check that out.

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But, um, These women, these black women from Jersey were out here

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in churches learning how to sing orchestral, uh, music and learning how

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to sing in, in, in that way and being able to apply it to gospel and soul.

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So, yeah, you know, this group actually started, you know.

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With Dionne and Dee Dee, um, and of course Dionne goes on to become the blueprint.

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We talk about blueprints and Dionne Warwick was that girl in the night,

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in the early 1960s, if you were talking about black women singers,

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all of them were aspiring to be like.

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Dionne Warwick.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Rock and roll Hall of Fame inductee of 2024.

Jay Ray:

Um, the album suites for my suite also contains a Marvin

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Gaye cover called chains, right?

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Um, I love that song.

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It's a, you know, they kind of, it's a rock, little Diddy,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm.

Jay Ray:

And this is weird because when people listen to Chained, it

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forces you to kind of go back into Marvin's career kind of pre, uh, 1968.

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And you realize that Marvin Gaye was doing like all of this other stuff.

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Like he was doing like a little rock and a little

Jay Ray:

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah,

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and like all these other things that were not what he ended

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up becoming super famous for.

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DJ Sir Daniel: yeah, you know one thing about The Sweet Inspirations also is

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that they were a pivotal part of the Stax Recordings as well because they work

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with Otis Redding If it was rumored that Cissy might have been dating him But hey,

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I mean those things those things happen Allegedly, but um, but yeah, so Stax

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they were involved in the Stax um Legacy.

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Um, and like we said, she went, they went on to sing background for, of course,

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Aretha Franklin, Solomon Burke, Otis Redding, Jimi Hendrix, Dusty Springfield,

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Van Morrison, and get ready for this.

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Elvis Presley.

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Yeah.

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man.

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Um, so after, since he left the group, um, in 1969, from like

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1970 till Elvis's death, The Sweet Inspirations were his backing vocalists.

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Um, so they sang with Elvis for many, many years.

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And to that point is speaks to, and so Daniel, we know this right.

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Artists need them a little bit of need them a little bit

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of soul in that thing, right?

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When they hit the stage,

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DJ Sir Daniel: sure do.

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What do they do with these are the live performances.

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They going to trot out that gospel choir.

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I don't care if it's total Elvis Presley, they're going to bring

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out a gospel choir to bring it on home and get people on their feet.

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and so The Sweet Inspirations.

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So when we think about like legendary background singers, because, you know,

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in on this show, we've talked about over the years, the importance of The music is

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not just a person up front, like there's all of these people that made it happen.

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You have the musicians and it also for many folks included these background

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singers of which the Sweet Inspirations were famous literally as we read in

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that paragraph and that was 1969.

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So these women were really kind of just running things for like years.

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Um, and it's kind of sad that music has moved.

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In such a way that we just don't get stuff like that anymore.

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You don't get to build a career.

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These women had a career that they were able to raise their families and

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes,

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: at church and somebody recently brought that up.

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I think it was Jermaine Dupri said on one of his lives, he was

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talking about, you know, Nobody's coming from the church anymore.

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Nobody's, and we've said that numerous times on this, on this show, Queue Points

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podcast, we've said it y'all are not, y'all don't come up in church choirs,

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flat footed singing, and we can tell y'all did not have to rehearse hour after hour.

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And we can tell at church churches had.

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People that grew up in the church and sang in the church just have a different kind

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of discipline and it literally paid off.

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I was thinking about them jet setting around the world

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with all these major acts.

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I also think about what, because this is, you know, not too far from Jim Crow.

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And the civil rights movement and just thinking about, you know, their treatment

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in going in these establishments, especially when they were traveling with

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the, the white, um, artists at the time, and just thinking about, you know, how

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would they were treated, um, as possible.

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They had to go into through the back, you know, the, the, the stories are

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true and we remember those things.

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So they really, really paved the way and laid it out for.

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A lot of people to come along and to do their thing in the music industry.

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Cissy literally created a path for her daughter, an industry path.

Jay Ray:

I think that's the best form of nepotism ever.

Jay Ray:

I'm not, I like me a little nepotism.

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Bring me up, Unc.

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Put me on, Dad.

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You know, I'm not opposed to it, but Yeah, the, so Cissy Houston also goes on to have

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her own Flourishing career as a soloist.

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Mm

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DJ Sir Daniel: She was a disco singer.

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She had a

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: hit

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Of course, she still hit the, um, the background vocal Um, circuit

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and, um, she was also singing what, before we do that, Jerry, there's a song

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that we've talked about on this show that, um, as part of a historical song

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: then we also find out that The Sweet Inspirations are

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actually singing on background on this particular song, which is a

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huge landmark and game changing song.

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Silence.

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Silence.

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Silence.

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being me being hyperbolic in any way.

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Um, and was written by a black woman and sung by two black men and, um,

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about being, um, out gay and proud.

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So the second version of the song though, is where The Sweet Inspirations

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come in, which is kind of fascinating.

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So I'm actually going to play a clip of that.

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of Carl Bean, who sang that version, um, telling us what happened about, um,

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how The Sweet Inspirations got involved.

Carl Bean:

When they, they approached me.

Carl Bean:

I knew when the song came.

Carl Bean:

That's because I sat on that step and heard "What's Going

Carl Bean:

On" and The Staples [Singers].

Carl Bean:

And that's what God had touched me with this message music, but in hearing that

Carl Bean:

that day, I never would've thought in a million years, I was going to get

Carl Bean:

the chance to sing about being gay.

Carl Bean:

That was so far from my memory bank, thinking that it

Carl Bean:

just wasn't nowhere around.

Carl Bean:

And, uh, when it came, and Motown presented the song.

Carl Bean:

I knew the minute I saw the lyric, it was mine to do.

Carl Bean:

Cause this is what I left to do,

Carl Bean:

but I just I didn't know it was going to be about my particular journey.

Carl Bean:

Johnnie Ray Kornegay III: Hmm.

Carl Bean:

I Saw the lyrics sheet, I said, ain't no need in me questioning God.

Carl Bean:

Johnnie Ray Kornegay III: Hmm.

Carl Bean:

I asked the folks at Motown, I said, can I bring my own background in?

Carl Bean:

And they said, well, who is it?

Carl Bean:

I said The Sweet Inspirations, so then they said, you mean

Carl Bean:

THE Sweet Inspirations.

Carl Bean:

Johnnie Ray Kornegay III: [Laughing] You mean them?

Carl Bean:

I said, Yes.

Carl Bean:

yeah, THE Sweet Inspirations.

Carl Bean:

They said oh, hell yeah.

Carl Bean:

[Johnnie laughing] Uh, huh.

Carl Bean:

Johnnie Ray Kornegay III: Like they were going to say, no,

Carl Bean:

your like, well, you know.

Carl Bean:

Well, I've called Estelle [Brown], I said, y'all, I

Carl Bean:

got a gig for you, they said what?

Carl Bean:

I told em, they said, yeah, Carl, you know we will.

Carl Bean:

And I said, cause if my girl, we all came up from New York together,

Carl Bean:

so all we got to do you give us the beat and we'll take it from there.

Carl Bean:

[Johnnie laughing] We've been doing this a good while together, and so Estelle

Carl Bean:

and I worked that way in the studio that night and, the thing that the people

Carl Bean:

in loved was really my ad libbing.

Carl Bean:

All the other stuff that people sing and get off on is me taking them to church.

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so as you can see, so Carl bean, who got this deal at Motown to be, to

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sing this song, that was really like the crux of the deal, um, called up, uh, Ms.

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Estelle of The Sweet Inspirations.

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Um, since he was long, um, out of the group by then.

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And, um, to sing backgrounds on this gay anthem and their version of the song is

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the one that the kids tend to go up for.

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Cause it's very gospel.

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It's one it's disco and two is gospel.

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And so The Sweet Inspirations is just bringing it.

Jay Ray:

So women were a part of.

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Not just music history overall, not just black music history, but also

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the history of LGBTQ music includes the voices of The Sweet Inspirations.

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DJ Sir Daniel: That's right.

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And you know, not only did The Sweet Inspirations make their mark in gospel

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and disco, but they made their mark in hip hop as well, because there are a

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couple from a couple of those albums.

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There are a lot of sweet inspiration samples that you listen to to this

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day and you can't get enough of.

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I think the most prominent one that.

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The everyday listener and people who enjoy Queue Points will recognize

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is the classic I'm blue, which is actually a cover of, of the eye cats.

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Um, I'm blue and you will notice that it was sampled by one ice cube,

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but you will also know, and here.

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Immediately as the record plays, I'm blue is the foundation for salt and

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pepper's major massive hit stoop.

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And so, yes, The Sweet Inspirations gave us a little hip hop Diddy as well.

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So shout out to them.

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They did quite a bit in the time that they worked in the industry.

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But as we started off talking about Cissy Houston, um, going on to have.

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You know, being the focus of this conversation, but then going on to have

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a substantial solo career of her own, as Jay Ray mentioned, she's, you know,

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was featured on I'm every woman, um, a shocker con, but did you know that

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she was also singing backup with Bette Midler on Bette Midler's Grammy award

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winning massive hit from a distance.

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Uh huh,

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DJ Sir Daniel: And, um, yeah, and not Bayhive listened to this.

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Cissy Houston is singing backup.

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With Beyonce on The Closer I Get to You, and I believe that was

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on the Dangerously In Love album.

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That was Beyonce's first album, I believe.

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So yeah, Cissy Houston, y'all gonna stop referring to her as Whitney's mom.

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She was her own woman.

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She, you know, she was her own woman and she did her, you know, she

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did her thing in this industry and left an indelible mark on the music

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industry, specifically Black music.

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And for that, we salute Miss Cissy Emily Drinkard Houston on this

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episode of Queue Points Podcast.

Jay Ray:

Another one, Jay Ray, what you got to say about it?

Jay Ray:

yo, thank you all so much for tuning in with us

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as we walk down memory lane.

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Before we close out, please make sure that y'all go and stream.

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Um, The Sweet Inspirations, you will not be disappointed.

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These records are full of beautiful harmonies.

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Um, lots of great covers that are unique.

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So you want to check out these records.

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So please go and do that.

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And for you beat makers and producers out there, you'll probably find

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some stuff you want to sample.

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So there's that.

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You can either pick up the needle or you can let the record play.

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I'm DJ Sir Daniel,

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My name is Jay Ray y'all.

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DJ Sir Daniel: and this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping

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We will see you on the next go round.

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Peace y'all.

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