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Civil War Review aka "Human Water Pistol"
Episode 15 • 17th April 2024 • Films in Black and White • Doug Wagner, Marcus Destin, and Bryan Roush
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The afterburner's on this bitch.

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I'm keeping the music going, too,

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so it's coming in right with the music.

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All right, here we go.

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Let's do it.

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I'm just going to pick an intro.

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Here we go.

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There we go.

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Just pick it.

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All right.

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It's that time.

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We'll be right back.

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Welcome to Films in Black and White,

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everybody!

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How are you all feeling?

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It is a great Monday to be with you all.

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This song has me amped to

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start getting after it.

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So I'm very thrilled.

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We've got a great episode.

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We're going to talk Civil War,

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the A24 movie that just

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came out recently starring Kirsten Dunst.

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Might touch on one or two

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other things here,

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but we are so thrilled.

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It's going to be a great Monday.

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But in order to do it right...

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And in order to do it well,

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I need to thoroughly invite

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and welcome everybody into this space.

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So I'm going to kick it on

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over to Brian Roush, a.k.a.

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New People's Army Captain.

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Brian, how are you feeling, sir?

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Okay.

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You know what?

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I'm feeling great to be here.

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I'm so happy.

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I have a space to talk about

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the movie Civil War, A24 Civil War,

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because this movie messed me up.

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Messed me up good.

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I'm also really happy to

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have some people here because...

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And man,

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this movie is a lot and there's a

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lot of really bad takes.

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I'm just going to like I'm

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usually not this guy,

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but there's a lot of bad

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takes from like reviewers

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and people like on, you know,

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on the clock app.

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So I'm just I'm happy to be with my guys.

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All right.

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That's the short that's the

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short answer here.

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I'm happy to be with my guys.

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So thank you for welcoming me,

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welcoming me into the space.

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Doug, how are you?

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I am doing well.

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Because I can't help but

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every time I hear the phrase Civil War,

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think about the Guns N' Roses song,

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Civil War.

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And so that was my problem.

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Every time I hear someone says Civil War,

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I'm like, I don't

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That's all I can think of in

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the back of my head.

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And how it starts.

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What we have here is a

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failure to communicate.

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There's something about that

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song that just triggers me

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every time I hear it.

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But he wrongs it.

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He gets it.

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Because it's a super southern accent,

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so I love it.

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You know me.

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I'm a big accent fanatic.

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That's very true.

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But other than that,

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I'm doing really well.

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I think I'm over my cold.

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Oh, that's good.

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Planning a birthday for a seven-year-old.

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So all the things that come

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along with that.

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That's high-priority work right there.

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That's a full-time job.

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It's wild times, yeah.

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But Marcus J. Destin, a.k.a.

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Somebody Stop Jesse Plemons.

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How you doing, sir?

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I'm doing good.

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I'm ready to pop.

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My guys are being flexible.

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As soon as I thought I was

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walking out of the building, you know,

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something catches on fire.

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That's okay.

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You always got to go back.

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You always got to go back.

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Did you start the fire?

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Sometimes.

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that's the fun part

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sometimes no but I'm here

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the movie was very civil

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war was very heavy but I'm

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ready to pod ready to

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dissect it with my guys I'm

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very excited to get into it

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I want to talk about we'll

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get to it when we get to it

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but the way that marcus sat

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down in this theater I was

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very concerned for his

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well-being when he sat down

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we'll get into it when we really

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Oh, man, Brian.

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We'll get into it.

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You know me, brother.

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I wish I could have seen

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this video because I was like,

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I don't know if I'm ready to see this.

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I was alone.

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I was like one of five.

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But Brian,

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tell the people how they stay in

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touch with us.

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Give them the rundown.

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Take it away, sir.

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Hey folks,

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the best way that you can

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And again,

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we are going to be having

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spoilers for the a 24 movie

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civil war by Alex Garland.

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So you have been warned.

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We are going to be deep

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diving it like we do with our style.

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So we're getting into all of

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the nitty gritty.

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We are leaving no stone left unturned.

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Absolutely.

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So we are starting a little bit later,

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so we're going to forego

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Catch That Quotable this week.

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We're going to give

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ourselves and all of you, the listeners,

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the watchers,

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a week off from Catch That Quotable.

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So big ups to Roman for

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sending us the quote.

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We'll bank that one.

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Maybe we'll get to it next

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week or we'll do a new one.

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Thank you, Roman.

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Appreciate you sending that.

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I hope it's that

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fill-in-the-blank style like last week.

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I thought that was great.

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I enjoyed that a lot.

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That was a good one.

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Even though we didn't follow

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his rules exactly.

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We had fun with it.

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Who are we not to help each other?

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It would be criminal if we didn't.

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I would be mad too.

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Before we get into Civil War,

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I did just want to do a

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quick little mini review

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because I'm a little bit of

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a rabbit hole this past week.

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Really?

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So, the Amazon Prime show Fallout.

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Yeah.

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That came out last week on Wednesday.

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It was bumped up like a week and a half.

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Yeah.

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And I've watched seven and a

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half out of the eight episodes already.

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Whoa.

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This show is very good.

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I enjoy this show a lot.

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This show captures...

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elements that if you played

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the RPGs growing up and if

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you played them,

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it does a lot of those things.

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It's got so many quick

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little nods to things from

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the game where you look at

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it and you're like, oh shit, yep,

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that's a thing.

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Yes.

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But what I think it does

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really well is rather than

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it just be... And I won't

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go any much deeper because

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I don't want to ruin it.

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Go deeper.

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You can do the first episode.

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Yeah, I can do the first episode.

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So the first episode is all

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about establishing this world.

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And it sort of does like a back in time...

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with um with how did we get

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to this point and sort of

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where it's at it has that

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like 50s vibe and then it

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flashes then bomb goes off

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and it jumps into you are

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in a fallout you're in a

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bunker with the group of

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bunker 33 as they get ready

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to do an exchange with

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bunker 32 to have this sort

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of like marriage to sort of

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propagate the species more

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and to not have it be

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And it's an exchange.

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So it's like, it's a whole thing.

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And they established the lore really,

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really well.

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Awesome.

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But then you come to find

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out that the folks in

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bunker 32 are not 32 bunker rights.

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They are Raiders pretending

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to know for 30.

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So it's very,

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very well done as this sort

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of like bait and switch with that.

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Yeah.

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Um,

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walton got walter goggins

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plays um a ghoul but also

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plays some folks in the

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back like he's one he's the

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cowboy from going back in

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time too but it's really

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well done and that's what I

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like about this is that

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it's woven such a mystery

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throughout yeah and we

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talked a lot about like how

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with ghostbusters frozen

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empire we liked all of the different like

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side quests and things like that.

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Like that was the main

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portion of this that like,

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it was a deterrent,

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but it was also something

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that we kind of enjoyed.

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Yeah.

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This,

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this TV series is very much that way

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of like, Oh, you have to go here.

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Oh, but shoot, something happens.

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So now you have to like redo

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your steps and go somewhere else.

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So again,

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it does a lot of this like

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reminder of the video game that I really,

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really like.

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But the mystery element that

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it weaves throughout all of

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it is also well balanced, too.

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So all in all, good show.

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Highly recommend.

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Check it out if you have the

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shipping service slash TV

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streaming service,

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because it's good because

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it's definitely worth a watch.

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I believe it's already been

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green light for green light

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for a season two, which is.

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Oh, wow.

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Unsurprising.

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But yeah, I like it.

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It's been really, really good.

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Did y'all know cable is back?

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I did know that Cable is back.

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Why do you think Cable is back?

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I heard that Disney Channel or Disney,

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well, it's become a Disney Channel again.

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Disney Plus is adding

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constant live streaming

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channels for things like

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Star Wars and what was the other one?

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Marvel.

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I think if we're talking

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about that one from the

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article from The Verge,

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I think they were thinking like Star Wars,

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Marvel, and Disney animation.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So they're going to add a whatever to it.

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I guess a part of the app

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will have a constantly

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streaming shows that are also on the app.

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With ads.

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And weekly drops that you

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now just pay for.

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So welcome back to cable.

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It only took us, what,

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three years to get back?

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Yeah.

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i mean I mean if you're I

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don't know 14 ish if you're

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counting the start of

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streaming I don't know

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you're right um but yeah

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like I so I i believe this

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by the way I know it was

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reported on the verge but

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it also got that

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information from a place

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called the information I've

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never heard of this website

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before that'll get you a

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laptop the cooties

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i mean I'm looking at it it

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seems legit I'm just I've

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never heard of it but like

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I believe it um so uh I'm

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seeing I'm seeing sick

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nasty in the chat we are we

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are banking catch that

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quotable for next week

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since we did have a late

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start but we are looking

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forward to it and we do we

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do appreciate you you

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haven't missed it and we

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hope that it's fill in the blank again

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We are very excited about

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the fill in the blank.

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Um, but yeah, I mean, I just, here's my,

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here's my thing.

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Here's my pitch.

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Um, listeners of this podcast, don't like,

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don't go to streaming

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services to just have cable again.

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If you don't know what to

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watch or you need a

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constant stream of things.

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Ross, sick Nancy said,

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guess you don't like charity.

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Nope.

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Guess not.

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Not tonight.

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Look,

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all I'm saying is that if you need

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live cable TV or you always

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need something on the back

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and in the background,

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we will we'll create another Patreon.

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Oh, yeah.

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You just subscribe to that.

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We will email you like every two weeks.

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Hey, you want something on the background?

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You watch Suits.

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That's it.

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You just watch Suits.

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And then here's like the

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three movies you watch.

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If you need to watch a movie,

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we will do it for you.

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We will make those choices for you.

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Don't just go to another

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cable channel and a streaming service.

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It's not worth it.

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We'll do the work for you.

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We live in this world.

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It comes naturally.

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We're now told there are

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starving children out there.

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Yo,

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should we just play catch that quarter?

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Because I feel like I'm

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being pressured into it a little bit.

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No, we run this show.

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That's how this works.

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He is a Patreon member where

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he's a producer of the show.

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I just want to say that too.

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Absolutely.

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I just want to put that out there.

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Yeah.

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I am confident that we started later,

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so we're just going to wait.

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We're just going to wait.

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He can wait.

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I just want to ensure we're

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on the same page.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Wow.

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Mason says kids in Africa.

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All right.

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Well, let's queue it up.

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I'll go ahead and pull that bad boy up.

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When a black man says kids in Africa,

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that's when you know it gets bad.

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All right.

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I feel guilt, but I'm going to,

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I'm going to, I'm sticking.

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to my to my principles we

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are I mean he is mason is

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tripling down in in lieu of

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this I will select a

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charity this week that is

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the commitment well we as a

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podcast we'll select where

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we'll be setting this money

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so in lieu of doing catch

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that quotable we will do

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that this week in the

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background we appreciate

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your patience with our

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programming I don't I'm

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just kidding I'm kidding

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I'm kidding you know what

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You know what?

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I mean,

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I am on the record as being saying

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frequently, fuck them kids.

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Not them kids specifically,

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but all kids in general.

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Just in general.

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Big Anakin Skywalker energy.

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Yo,

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they are in the chat tearing our asses

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up.

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Keep going.

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This is a great reason to

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join our Patreon and our livestream.

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The other thing, Brian,

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that I think is interesting

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about the streaming piece

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to try to pivot us back to that is that

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This is going to be a way in

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which I feel like these

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streaming services try to

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pay some of their cost for

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managing them without

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having the cost of membership go up.

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Because I don't wonder.

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They have to be doing

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research in the background, right?

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There's no way.

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Disney Plus is looking at

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the cost of membership and going, well,

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we can't get away with

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raising it every year.

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People will leave us.

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So let's... God damn it.

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God damn it, Roman.

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It's just...

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Let's go start our own money.

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How did they have Sick Nasty

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and Roman and Mason teamed up?

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They did.

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As much as it's weird to

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have cable come back with

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it's just a channel that's

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on that has ads, that's fine.

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If that's what they have to

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do to keep my costs from going up,

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so be it.

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It's weird, but fine.

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The added Hulu component on Disney+,

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does have movies like it

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does have ads I'm sorry so

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like if you watch anything

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that is hulu my disney plus

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things don't have ads to it

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but anything that's on hulu

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still has at least like

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maybe one or two ads on it

::

yeah he was so britney was

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so mad she was so pissed was she

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Cause Brittany has like

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things that she has like

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queued up that she likes to watch.

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And so she kept trying to

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get like Hulu to launch and she's like,

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I can't get it to launch.

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And I'm like,

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I don't know what to tell you.

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Like, it's not like,

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I don't know what to say here.

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Like it's just, it's out of my league.

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It's out of my league.

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She goes, we'll make it work.

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I go,

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you write to Hulu and Disney and you

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tell them to make it work.

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That's you contact their

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customer support folks.

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That's not on me.

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But then finally I was like, Oh shit,

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that's right.

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It switched over Disney plus.

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And so I told her to go over there.

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She goes, Oh,

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Now I have to go and find

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all my stuff again because

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it's not there.

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I know this exact conversation.

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I didn't think about this.

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So that was a thing.

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And so, I mean, to her credit,

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she's not wrong, but she's like,

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now we got to, she's like,

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now I got to go find like

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Abbott Elementary and find

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that and find it somewhere.

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That's so frustrating.

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We'll put it all in there.

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I have a question for y'all

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real quick before we move on.

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Just as y'all quick dad math

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brains real quick,

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how much is or did cable

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cost y'all versus how much

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do you pay now for relatively about,

::

I guess the same,

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how many streamers would it take?

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Two questions.

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What's the price difference?

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Like roughly how many

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streamers would it take to

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match to that cable cost or worth?

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I paid around $105 a month

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for cable and for my

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internet service provider.

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And that was for both.

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And then right now I pay $60

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a month for my internet, which is faster.

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And then I think I'm

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probably paying somewhere around like...

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$35 in streamers currently, give or take.

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So I would say it would have to, like,

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I would have to go,

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it would have to go up by

::

$20 in total for me to be like,

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but I like my internet so

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much that I'm not going to

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go back to a package thing

::

like that again.

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Like my, I get,

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I get a faster speed for less money.

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Midco can fuck themselves.

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Cause it's too expensive.

::

Yeah.

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Lost that Miko sponsorship.

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All right.

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Well, that one's gone.

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All right, bro.

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They know what they're doing.

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Don't say anything about Blue Peak.

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That's all we got left.

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It varies so much here.

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I love them.

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They're great.

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It varies so much here.

::

But basically,

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it's like if you want your

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regular – if you want your –

::

I would say the regular cable package,

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your ESPN, your HDTV,

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it's like $50 a month just for the cable.

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And then if you want internet,

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it's another 50.

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So you're looking at a hundred bucks.

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We don't have cable or

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landline phone here.

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So we only pay like 55 bucks

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for like a step above

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internet because we stream everything.

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So right now with all of our

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streaming stuff,

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we're like at that cable package.

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I like it better because I

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primarily don't have

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commercials unless I'm watching on Amazon,

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the shipping service streamer.

::

That's about it.

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Everywhere else is ad-free,

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which is how I want to live my life.

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I lived through the 90s.

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I know bad ads.

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I've seen the same ad a

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bazillion times for countless,

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countless products.

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I will never buy it.

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That was my biggest pet

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peeve about watching March

::

Madness coverage.

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They would break and they would be like,

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yep,

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two teams about to go at it and we're

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going to kick it over to

::

commercial before we start

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the second half.

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It was like,

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why the fuck did you come back then?

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Why did you come back to tell me?

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With a random shot of the floor.

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It's just a random basketball floor.

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And then some guy eating

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popcorn in the stands.

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I don't give a shit.

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And then the other thing that bugged me

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The other thing that bugged me is like,

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y'all,

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we got there are people in this

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country that are getting

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their pharmaceutical advice

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from the television.

::

And can someone tell me how

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often and how severe is it

::

that every single

::

medication gives you diarrhea?

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Like at some point in time,

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it's not worth it.

::

Hey,

::

do you have kind of a rash that breaks

::

out every once in a while

::

and it's pretty itchy?

::

You could do that or you

::

could have diarrhea all the time.

::

That's true.

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Do you want to itch or do

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you want to sit on the

::

toilet and sound like

::

you're playing Gatorade?

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You know what?

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I would gladly be a little

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itchy for a week than have

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to shit myself every day

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because of the diarrhea

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from the medication.

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Would you rather become a

::

human water pistol or get

::

rid of that pimple on your face?

::

i would rather just live

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with the pimple I don't

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need to I don't need to

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like I don't need to do

::

that so much and the ads

::

are so bad he is mad

::

something no but to your

::

point doug like in in a lot

::

of european countries you

::

are banned from advertising

::

certain medications because

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of their health care system

::

because they're like why

::

would you advertise your

::

doctor knows what's best for you

::

So anytime I see those, yep.

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Anytime I see those ads, like on TV,

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I'm just like, I ignore them immediately.

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Cause I'm just like, you finally won.

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I finally won.

::

Doug, Doug adds up in these comments.

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Now they said,

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this is way better than cash.

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Honestly, I,

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I don't want Doug to

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commentate March Madness now.

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It's just him being like, oh,

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there's a guy with a popcorn.

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That's what you want to see.

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The ad is this.

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It's like Joe working construction,

::

and he's worried all of his

::

friends are staring at his

::

plaque psoriasis.

::

And I'm like, Joe,

::

just fucking tell him you

::

got plaque psoriasis.

::

Nobody gives a shit.

::

We're out here lifting girders.

::

Leave him alone.

::

It bugs me.

::

If you ever had IBS before,

::

that commercial kind of saved you.

::

You'd be like,

::

I could probably give you

::

the name of at least four

::

drugs that IBS might be a side effect.

::

Is that a Russian roulette

::

you want to play?

::

You're right, honestly.

::

I can't argue with that.

::

Or the other ones?

::

This is the phrase that

::

pisses me off to no end

::

with pharmaceutical things.

::

If you're allergic to this, don't take it.

::

No fucking shit.

::

Don't fucking... Okay, yeah,

::

and you know what?

::

If my shoes aren't tied, I might trip.

::

Don't tell me obvious shit.

::

Like, hey, if you're allergic to this,

::

don't take it.

::

Well, I was gonna... I did feel like dying,

::

so I was just gonna take

::

Ozempic until it killed me.

::

But no, if you have ED...

::

Don't you want to sacrifice

::

your heart for a heart?

::

Absolutely not.

::

It is just a sack.

::

Look, there are,

::

we're just going to figure

::

it out like that.

::

If that's the case with me,

::

we're going to have a look.

::

I'm really sorry,

::

but I'm not dying for an erection.

::

Like that's just not

::

something that I have.

::

Dying for an erection.

::

My new band name.

::

One, two, three, hit it.

::

yeah yeah uh anyway enough

::

about my tirade about

::

pharmaceutical ads no it

::

was it was necessary and it

::

totally came out of left

::

field but I can't imagine

::

you not doing it now like

::

it needs to be just bothers

::

me that's true and I you

::

you know who's really sick

::

of it britney because every

::

time they'd show up I'd be

::

like and look a fucking

::

another one like poor britney

::

They got all the kids in

::

there that'd be like

::

holding hands or it has

::

like the B-roll footage has

::

nothing to do with the medicine.

::

Oh, absolutely nothing.

::

You know what I mean?

::

It's like, oh,

::

you got an elbow that's

::

extra cracky and you want to put some,

::

you know,

::

you've been struggling with this

::

for years.

::

It's got a little,

::

it's got a little lemon in it.

::

And you're like, yeah.

::

It's two kids doing jump rope.

::

Kids don't even have that.

::

Why are we doing the hokey

::

pokey in the EB commercial?

::

Why are you doing it in a

::

Viagra commercial?

::

Stop jumping rope in a Viagra commercial.

::

I always wonder if they're

::

getting that from stock

::

footage or if people

::

consciously know they're in

::

an erectile dysfunction commercial.

::

I can just think of these

::

people being like, yeah,

::

I just made Bank doing all

::

these stock photos.

::

Then you turn on the TV and you're like,

::

that makes me look like I have ED.

::

Now he got to go to the bus

::

stop and everybody's like, hey, look,

::

that's

::

it was just a little job man

::

it was a little look it's

::

lip dick rick like that we

::

love you you know autograph

::

lip oh god where do you go

::

from here well we're gonna

::

pivot to talk about civil war so

::

well we got our fun in we

::

got our fun in while we

::

could hard right everybody

::

this is gonna be all hard

::

right so we are going to

::

here's a spoiler warning

::

again for uh the a24 movie

::

here we go war um anybody

::

want to give us a

::

barbershop summary for this

::

particular film

::

Man.

::

All right.

::

Look.

::

Listen.

::

In a very bleak possible future,

::

here's what happens.

::

All right.

::

Listen.

::

You walk in.

::

You find out.

::

You sit down in theater.

::

You turn on screen and you

::

see America is split into different

::

Factions?

::

Is that a safe word to say?

::

Yes.

::

Yes, I would say so.

::

Different factions of

::

like... Different

::

secessionist governments.

::

Different secessionist governments.

::

Yeah.

::

Does anybody remember the

::

names of the... Oh, I do.

::

Yeah.

::

The Western Forces and then

::

the Florida Alliance.

::

Yes.

::

And then the New People's Army,

::

which is my Chiron,

::

which includes Minnesota,

::

is like the north slash

::

northwest of the United States.

::

So boom, look, check it.

::

The president,

::

he wants to go for a third term,

::

but without asking for permission.

::

I think he's in his third term.

::

Oh, he's in his third term.

::

He is, yes, yes.

::

He's in his third term.

::

He did not step down after his second.

::

Did not step down.

::

He's constantly on the radio

::

talking to people, talking about, yeah,

::

we stand for the United

::

States of America and then

::

to this republic for which it stands.

::

The factions are at war with each other,

::

okay?

::

So basically they're all fighting for

::

Some of them are trying to

::

get the president out.

::

Like they're trying to kill

::

the president essentially

::

to get him out of the office.

::

And so,

::

but they all have their different

::

militaries and things.

::

And the world is also split

::

into different factions.

::

As you have these reporters,

::

you have like this

::

journalist who captures

::

pictures and does all these things.

::

They're all journalists, right?

::

That's safe.

::

She's like a war journalist.

::

Kristen Dunn's character is

::

more like a war journalist.

::

She is with a TV news type

::

journalist interviewer guy

::

that kind of is from Reuters.

::

They said at one point in

::

time they're from Reuters, I feel like.

::

I thought that was a made-up name,

::

and then I thought it was steroids,

::

and then I thought it was hemorrhoids.

::

No, it's real.

::

Okay, got it.

::

She's from Reuters, all right?

::

And so she's flaring up,

::

and she's taking all these pictures.

::

And so what's happening is

::

they want to get this shot

::

of the president dying,

::

of them killing the president.

::

She wants to get the

::

world-famous picture

::

because she's a

::

world-famous war photographer,

::

and he wants to interview

::

the president in his last moments.

::

So they also take this older

::

gentleman with them who's

::

an older gentleman.

::

I'm sorry.

::

older gentleman who's an

::

older journalist in this

::

road trip across.

::

But then they also run into

::

this young lady who was

::

aspiring to be Kristen

::

Dunst and this war journalist.

::

OK, we'll get in the names later.

::

All right.

::

So then they put them all in this car.

::

They want to take the back

::

roads to get to Washington, D.C.

::

Washington, D.C.

::

is listed as if you're a

::

journalist and you step

::

foot in Washington, D.C.,

::

you basically die on sight.

::

Like they will shoot you

::

from my way because they

::

don't want any journalists

::

near whatever the fuck is going on.

::

OK,

::

so they got to go through all of these

::

different pieces and

::

different areas as you kind

::

of see how the world is

::

split and divided.

::

Nothing is very specific as to like, oh,

::

it's Republican.

::

Oh, it's Democrat.

::

Oh, it's this.

::

It's none of that.

::

There is no there's not a

::

lot of backstory outside of

::

the president is in his third term.

::

You get to see all of the

::

how the world is adjusting

::

and picking sides and how

::

people are kind of living

::

in this new America.

::

That is kind of civil war.

::

I mean, that's a good synopsis.

::

A couple of things I'll add

::

that I think are important

::

to note is the president,

::

the other forces are trying

::

to take down the president,

::

not just because he sat for a third term.

::

And they didn't really make

::

this super clear,

::

but it's what he did when

::

the other governments

::

disagreed and they split off,

::

which was he started

::

bombing American civilians.

::

Oh, he did say that.

::

Because they are and he's

::

practicing because the goal

::

for the male journalist

::

who's sort of a kind of

::

sort of like really

::

partnered with Kirsten Dunst.

::

I'll mention his name here in a minute.

::

Wagner Mora, I think, is the actor.

::

Yeah.

::

What he says,

::

he really wants to get the

::

interview because to Marcus's point,

::

the president doesn't do

::

anything with the press anymore.

::

He's basically outlawed the press entirely,

::

and it's basically his own

::

propaganda machine that is

::

publicly talking everything.

::

He also disbanded the FBI.

::

The FBI is no longer a unit.

::

And so he really wants an

::

interview to before the

::

other forces take on there.

::

So they go to Washington, D.C.

::

to hopes to capture it

::

because they basically said, look,

::

he's got three days and

::

then they will be there and

::

they will kill him.

::

So you've got to beat the

::

Western forces there.

::

Like, that's the goal.

::

And so that's some of the other stuff.

::

All in all, great barbershops.

::

Yeah.

::

So let's run down cast quick.

::

So Kirsten Dunst plays Lee.

::

Wagner Mora plays Cole.

::

Callie Spaney plays Jesse.

::

Nick Offerman is the president.

::

Yeah.

::

Jefferson White plays Dave.

::

Nelson Lee plays Tony.

::

I want to pull up some of

::

these other folks.

::

Where's that other older dude?

::

What's his name?

::

I cannot find his name.

::

acting credit is it simon

::

for no that's not him

::

anyway um kinley henderson

::

yes yes yes yep yep that's

::

him he played the new york

::

times journalist yeah yep

::

yep he does um and then

::

jesse plemmons is in this

::

playing a soldier who is

::

jesse plemmons he's playing

::

what he usually plays

::

You all know what he's doing.

::

They did have some fun clips

::

from his wife talking about

::

how he got hired two days

::

before he was supposed to.

::

And that he killed it.

::

And she was like, oh my God,

::

this guy's an amazing actor.

::

And was like, oh my God,

::

this guy's amazing.

::

um budget has an estimated

::

of 50 million dollars

::

listed as the budget and

::

then actually pretty cheap

::

the opening weekend so far

::

through yesterday um is

::

around 25 million dollars

::

so it's made half of that

::

back they're gonna imagine

::

as word catches on yeah

::

they're gonna make at least

::

that back I would expect

::

based on where we're at

::

runtime is about an hour and

::

49 minutes so it wasn't

::

like super long which is

::

fantastic but gentlemen

::

thoughts on Civil War I

::

think this is 824 is also

::

like highest grossing

::

opening weekend or

::

something like that oh is

::

it really I think it might

::

be right while somebody

::

could confirm that I think

::

initially here's how I

::

walked into the movie yeah

::

I just want to confirm, yes,

::

Civil War is the highest

::

opening weekend for A24.

::

That makes sense.

::

Confirmed on Rotten Tomatoes.

::

This will probably win some awards.

::

One, I walked in high.

::

medical marijuana so oh no

::

mark brian brian brian this

::

motherfucker sits down and

::

the music is playing and

::

he's like let's do it and

::

I'm like oh buddy like this

::

is I'm so worried for you

::

like I was going to a

::

funeral watching this movie

::

the music is playing and he was like

::

like he was just ready and

::

then that first scene where

::

the lady with the american

::

flag runs at the water

::

truck and I was like hey

::

are you gonna make it let

::

me tell you this is exactly

::

how I was running late

::

because I was at dinner

::

with some friends right and

::

so I was coming back it was

::

a seltzer it was like a thc

::

seltzer that I took like 10 milligrams oh

::

So I drank it, right?

::

And it wasn't too crazy,

::

but I had a nice little buzz.

::

And so I walked in,

::

sat down next to my guy

::

Doug in the typical seats we sit in,

::

and I'm like, fuck yeah, let's do this.

::

Like, hell yeah, let's get it.

::

They're going through this

::

whole opening sequence,

::

and as soon as that

::

American flag ran across

::

that scene and that bitch exploded,

::

I said, huh, this is a bad decision.

::

So this is...

::

Mason took inspiration from

::

Afro man somebody get Roman

::

Myers and Mason out of the

::

chat together we need some

::

mods yeah but so we that

::

scene here's what I really

::

enjoy I think one I want to

::

start here Kristen Dunst

::

did an amazing job yes

::

amazing job I think that

::

it's hard to play that role

::

Kristen Dunst is one of

::

those people of like I

::

don't really see just

::

Kristen Dunst when she's

::

playing a role does that make sense

::

Oh, 100%.

::

She really embodied

::

something completely

::

different as this lady, war journalist,

::

top of her game, PTSD,

::

also numb to a lot of shit

::

that she captures and has

::

seen a lot of shit.

::

I think she captured that very, very well.

::

So I want to just start there,

::

and then I'm going to lean

::

into the cinematography of

::

it all after we go through

::

our original things that we like.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah, man,

::

I'm gonna jump in because this

::

so it's funny to me and

::

this is important for context.

::

This movie is billed as like

::

an action movie.

::

That was how it was billed on IMDb.

::

Thriller is also on here.

::

Thriller I feel like is the

::

more apt description of the movie.

::

And I'm bringing it up

::

because this movie like

::

To me, it is a horror movie.

::

It is a thriller horror movie to me.

::

And I really enjoyed that,

::

even though it scared the

::

bejesus out of me.

::

This movie messed me up,

::

but it was done very well.

::

The cinematography,

::

we'll talk about the lighting,

::

everything.

::

That stuff is top notch here.

::

And we'll gush about that.

::

However,

::

Alex Garland has crafted a story

::

that I feel does a very

::

good job of using

::

environmental storytelling.

::

And it is focusing to me on

::

the right parts of a civil war.

::

And I'm not even talking about, like,

::

what if this happened in our country?

::

But, like, legit,

::

this is what happens in other nations.

::

And it's not always about, like,

::

the government forces versus the rebels,

::

right?

::

It's these small stories

::

that are the most...

::

like the people that are actually impacted,

::

right?

::

Like people in small towns

::

who are just trying to get

::

food for their kids or, Hey,

::

there's a war crime over there.

::

And we'll talk about that more later.

::

And so I feel like I really

::

enjoyed the focus of this film,

::

which is what surprised me

::

at the end of it,

::

because the pacing of it, you have,

::

it's basically this road

::

trip from hell is how I've

::

been describing it to people.

::

Yeah.

::

You just have this road trip

::

from hell from New York to

::

DC and you have these

::

really small stories.

::

And I thought the movie was

::

ending at one point.

::

And then they get to D.C.

::

and then it's like, no, buckle up,

::

buckaroo.

::

We got some stuff to show you.

::

And I kind of I there were

::

two points in this movie

::

where I wanted to throw up.

::

And that was the second one.

::

So in a good way, though.

::

And I thought the finale mostly landed it.

::

I did have some critiques,

::

but we'll get into that in a little bit.

::

But that's what I liked about it.

::

I love the pacing of it.

::

Yeah,

::

I think the thing that I appreciated

::

the most about the movie that I liked,

::

and it's kind of similar to Brian's,

::

is I think the attention to

::

detail from Alex Garland,

::

where he almost keeps some

::

of his bigger reveals hidden.

::

He hides them until the very last minute.

::

Which kind of puts you on edge.

::

So I want to refer to the

::

scene Brian was talking about,

::

the war crime scene.

::

They stopped to get gas for

::

the first time.

::

And I remember as they panned,

::

as they were driving by,

::

they panned by that car wash.

::

And I remember saying out loud, I was like,

::

are those bodies hanging in the car wash?

::

And didn't really even think much of it.

::

And I was like, I guess maybe it will.

::

Maybe they'll address it.

::

Maybe there wasn't.

::

Maybe that was just a, hey,

::

this is how bad it's gotten.

::

Yeah.

::

But then what he does,

::

and this is such a smart way of doing it,

::

is he confirms your worst fear, which,

::

yes,

::

those are bodies hanging in a car wash.

::

And believe it or not,

::

these dudes are the ones

::

who put them there.

::

So like it's I think it's a

::

he he makes you so uncomfortable.

::

And then he makes you like

::

almost like face that level

::

of discomfort head on.

::

It doesn't let you shy away from it.

::

And so that's the thing I

::

think he did masterfully with this film.

::

And there's several other parts of it, too,

::

where he does it really,

::

really well of like, you know,

::

that part where they're, you know,

::

climbing across where

::

they're climbing across the cars.

::

And you're like, this seems really,

::

really safe.

::

Yeah.

::

Leads to the scene with Jesse Plemons.

::

It was like your worst fear

::

was that something was

::

going to happen to Jesse,

::

not Jesse Plemons,

::

but the character Jesse in this.

::

Yeah.

::

And then you've come to find, yes,

::

you have to face that.

::

Now everybody's in this situation.

::

Like, it's just,

::

there was a lot there where he, like he,

::

he, he addresses, he says,

::

what's the worst thing that could happen.

::

Okay.

::

Now you have to face that head on,

::

which I think is, is a lot and well done.

::

Yeah.

::

I think... Okay,

::

so I want to kind of go

::

about this a little bit

::

differently by asking you

::

all some questions here.

::

Oh, okay.

::

But I want to bring up some

::

points so that I don't forget them.

::

So what would you like first?

::

The questions or the points?

::

Points so you don't forget them.

::

Yeah, you should do that.

::

Here's a couple of my favorite points.

::

I love the fact that this

::

is... What it gave me was

::

like the beginning of...

::

And Brian, correct me if I'm wrong,

::

dystopia,

::

like beginning of a dystopian feel.

::

Yeah, 100%.

::

Usually we get put right

::

into the middle of that

::

kind of environment.

::

But this one was like,

::

what if we're in the early stages of like,

::

it ain't all like that, but like, hey,

::

we don't have cell phones

::

no more because the towers don't work.

::

Or like, we don't have simple heating.

::

Like,

::

she's heating up the film by her body

::

temperature.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Like to me, oh,

::

here's this empty football field.

::

And Doug said it.

::

He was like, it's never a good sign when,

::

it's never a good sign when

::

who is there to help them.

::

When like, yeah,

::

UNICEF and the United

::

Nations are there helping.

::

And he was like, it's never a good sign.

::

And there's nothing but

::

tents and cars and people

::

playing football and living

::

this kind of normalized

::

life in this area of like,

::

you could tell by the way he shot it.

::

I really enjoyed that.

::

This is the beginning stages

::

of what this would feel like.

::

So that's my number one point.

::

Yeah.

::

My number two point,

::

what I think he does really well,

::

the diversity.

::

I think that it takes a lot

::

for you not to.

::

Every shot had a mix of

::

people in it to get away

::

from the point that it was

::

just white versus black or

::

this race versus this or

::

Democrat versus liberal versus.

::

Like he did.

::

He made a deliberate effort

::

to diversify every shot.

::

If there were bodies hang

::

like the bodies in the back

::

of the truck with Jesse Plemons.

::

There was a mix of different

::

colors of bodies in there.

::

Yes.

::

Every shot was deliberate.

::

And so I appreciated that effort of like,

::

oh, they not just killing black folk.

::

They not just killing white people.

::

They not just killing.

::

You know what I mean?

::

It was a little bit of every

::

not just young, young and old.

::

It was everybody.

::

Yes.

::

Yes.

::

And then my last one was I

::

really enjoyed how they.

::

introduced characters.

::

And I think it gave me just enough.

::

You didn't need like full

::

backstories from people.

::

This old man, if you look at the,

::

if you look up at the setup

::

of the car and I could have

::

been overthinking this cause I was high,

::

but.

::

You're good.

::

You look up the setup of the car, right?

::

You have somebody who's young in the game.

::

This whole movie to me is

::

about kind of like

::

transitioning as much as

::

it's about like the

::

dystopian feel of like if

::

you don't do the right thing.

::

And it's like perspectives

::

like through the eyes of

::

everybody in the car.

::

You have this thrill seeking,

::

hungry motherfucker that

::

really will do anything for

::

the fucking shot.

::

Okay.

::

Yeah.

::

He's literally driving the vehicle, right?

::

He's driving the story,

::

driving the vehicle,

::

driving these characters to

::

different places that maybe

::

you wouldn't have gone or

::

to do things that you wouldn't do before.

::

You have this more aged out

::

leading actress.

::

Kristen Dunst is like,

::

I've gone through this.

::

I've seen some things.

::

I'm on the I haven't.

::

The first part of happiness

::

that she showed is when

::

she's wearing the dress and

::

it's like that was it

::

didn't feel normal to her to feel that.

::

So she's like in that stage of her life.

::

The back is this old man

::

who's on the nearly damn

::

near the end of his life.

::

And then you have young, fresh, new.

::

Everything is wow.

::

What the fuck type 23 year

::

old energy in the back.

::

That's all in one car.

::

Yep.

::

So I thought that they did

::

really well balancing these

::

things and not giving me

::

too much information.

::

Do I need to know if Kristen

::

Dunst was married in this?

::

No, it's not fucking important.

::

You know what I mean?

::

Just give me just enough information.

::

So those are the points that I liked.

::

Yes.

::

I just want to say it's

::

really refreshing to hear you say that.

::

And obviously I know we're

::

on the same podcast,

::

so some of it's expected, but like...

::

i read I just I read I read

::

some reviews for this movie

::

and I went to the reddit

::

discussion because it left

::

me feeling a certain way

::

last night and I just

::

wanted to see if other

::

people were feeling the

::

same way I was I had made

::

up my mind about how I felt

::

about this movie and marcus

::

your ability to be like no

::

like this is what's

::

important like the things

::

you just listed off of like

::

how these things are

::

happening and who it's

::

affecting and how that's

::

important and how the story is told

::

And then you have people that are like,

::

well,

::

this is a bad movie because I don't

::

even understand.

::

I don't even understand like

::

why people are fighting.

::

And it's like, what?

::

Like or like there needs to

::

be more detail with Kirsten

::

Dunst's character.

::

And I'm just like,

::

I just I like it's very clear.

::

Alex Garland is putting out

::

this story of like, nah, man,

::

like this is bad.

::

Like this is bad.

::

And you should avoid this.

::

Like, why?

::

Why are you not wanting to avoid this?

::

But he said that in the

::

scene when they were going

::

through the cars, right?

::

He says it deliberately outright,

::

which I thought was a fire scene.

::

He says, what are we shooting at?

::

How do you know if that

::

person is a good person or

::

a bad person that's sniping

::

us from the house?

::

He says,

::

I didn't like the line that he used,

::

but I understand.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

He was like, are you stupid, basically?

::

Are you dumb?

::

He looks over at the girl and he says,

::

what's happening right now?

::

He says, they're shooting at us.

::

He looks back and he's like,

::

do you get it now?

::

Like, it's not this side versus that side.

::

We don't know who's good or bad.

::

It's just, we are surviving.

::

This motherfucker is shooting.

::

Yes.

::

Yes.

::

And I think and I think what helped me,

::

one, yes, to everything Marcus said.

::

I think the other thing that

::

I would add that I think

::

highlights the fact that

::

this is a transformational

::

story and shows how

::

exposure to that kind of

::

coverage like this wasn't

::

about the conflict.

::

Like the conflict hits close

::

to home because I think of

::

recent events in our own

::

nation's history.

::

I think it hits a little

::

closer to home than maybe

::

we're necessarily comfortable with.

::

But I think I'm going to say

::

something and I don't want

::

everybody to like come at me,

::

but I think the conflict is irrelevant.

::

Yeah.

::

Because I think you could

::

have picked up these four

::

people and you could have

::

put them in Canada and it

::

could have been the same situation.

::

And the story is still about

::

the journalists.

::

And it's still a

::

transformation of someone who, Jesse,

::

the youngest character in this,

::

who comes in saying,

::

this is what I want to be,

::

not understanding that you

::

give up a part of your soul,

::

which she does at the end.

::

The death of Kristen Dunst

::

at the end of this is,

::

It's not, it's not, it's a sad moment,

::

but if it feels empty,

::

it means to me that I think

::

that we need to like

::

reframe how you look at it.

::

That wasn't just the death

::

of Kristen Dunst.

::

That was the death of her

::

innocence of having an idea.

::

And when she gets up there

::

and she takes a picture of her,

::

like on when she takes a

::

picture of Kristen Dunst

::

dead on the floor and she's

::

not crying about it.

::

That is a, no,

::

she's a different animal right now.

::

She is a different person in

::

this environment right now.

::

And so I think there's a lot

::

to be said for that.

::

So I think if you're saying, oh,

::

I don't understand the conflict,

::

you missed all the other –

::

I think you missed all the

::

meaty character development

::

detail in there.

::

But you need – the conflict

::

is there to give you the

::

result of the conflict though.

::

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

::

It's just – it's the

::

appetizer or it's the

::

reasoning and the cover.

::

But what you –

::

In order to tell a really

::

good story like Alex did,

::

you got to go with what are

::

the results of this conflict?

::

There has to be a reason for

::

these folks to go out and do it.

::

And I hate to say like, oh,

::

the conflict is the MacGuffin.

::

It kind of is like it kind

::

of like the reason why.

::

Why they are going out there.

::

The whole impetus for their

::

journey is we are trying to

::

get a photo of the

::

president before he's

::

killed and to get a

::

statement from him before he's killed.

::

That's the reason why they left.

::

You're absolutely right, Marcus.

::

That conflict is relevant and needed.

::

And it's otherwise,

::

why leave your back door?

::

Well, and I feel like the other thing, too,

::

is like there's enough

::

information there for

::

people to to connect the dots.

::

They don't explicitly state

::

like this is what the

::

Western forces believe.

::

This is what the loyalists believe.

::

But they do enough

::

environmental storytelling

::

that if you're if you're

::

paying attention to the

::

movie and I'm not trying to be like.

::

mean about it but like yes

::

it's not going to be in

::

direct dialogue but it's

::

not as out there as like

::

dune like you do have

::

characters saying like oh

::

yeah the president bombed

::

civilians and he disbanded

::

the fbi um and he probably

::

it's alluded to the fact he

::

suspends the constitution

::

so that is a conflict like

::

that is a very clear conflict between

::

And then you have other

::

forces like Texas and California,

::

regardless of what you

::

think about their politics,

::

they're saying, nah, I'm not doing that.

::

And they're starting this conflict.

::

But to your point, like the lore is there,

::

even if you agree with it or don't.

::

But again, that's not the point.

::

That's the backdrop.

::

And it's the main focus is

::

what happens to these

::

everyday people when a

::

conflict like this breaks out.

::

And I think I think the

::

other thing of this, Brian,

::

that I appreciated about

::

that is it allowed my brain to try.

::

I mean,

::

it allowed my brain to try to fill

::

in the dots because I went

::

because the question I

::

started before I started to

::

watch this movie,

::

I saw California and Texas.

::

together and I was like this

::

doesn't make sense because

::

I immediately went to the

::

obvious thing they're

::

politically on either side

::

of the spectrum but driving

::

home I went oh of course

::

they did they're the two

::

largest states they finally

::

realized their power and

::

their ability to try to

::

change things for the

::

better whether you agree

::

with them or not they went

::

nope this is shit isn't gonna fly

::

Well, and none, none of,

::

I don't feel like I'll watch it again,

::

but there's nothing in the

::

text of the movie that is like, Hey,

::

they're like the rebel Alliance,

::

the Western forces.

::

They're the good guys.

::

Like, no one said they're,

::

they're good guys.

::

And they literally, they,

::

I shouldn't say that.

::

They quite directly say to

::

the journalists and the audience, like,

::

we're not capturing anyone.

::

This is a mission to kill the president.

::

Yeah.

::

like we're not even

::

capturing and it's like oh

::

that seems weird okay the

::

press secretary she goes

::

well we'll we'll worry

::

about the scenario they go

::

we'll worry about the

::

surrender and they go we're

::

not surrendering anything

::

bring him out here so we

::

can shoot him right right

::

like that is not like good

::

guy language that no you

::

don't you don't see the

::

protagonist doing that at

::

all you don't know you

::

don't see princess leia

::

being like nah bring him

::

out I'm gonna shoot him

::

But I did enjoy when they

::

get to the White House.

::

And this is obviously skipping some steps.

::

I'm gonna go back to these questions.

::

There was no they still had

::

people that were in the

::

White House that were

::

aligned with the president,

::

whether it was like five people.

::

You can't really tell.

::

You know, I mean,

::

he still has his like cabinet members,

::

the secretary of the.

::

Secretary of State?

::

She was the press secretary.

::

She was in that forum room.

::

They just shot her ass down.

::

She was in the press briefing room.

::

They went through the press briefing room.

::

That's how they got in there.

::

Oh, did she?

::

Did she have a weapon?

::

I take it back then.

::

Also,

::

this movie does such a good job of

::

creating the confusion of a battlefield.

::

I saw this movie yesterday.

::

Missed that detail.

::

Well done.

::

Good call.

::

I want to go back here a little bit.

::

Let's do it.

::

What was,

::

we talked about pop moments and I

::

like that.

::

And I think I want to apply

::

that to our podcast language.

::

We talked about pop moments

::

last week on wrestling.

::

What was your favorite pop moment for you?

::

What like,

::

and I'm going to put a little

::

definition to it.

::

What woke up your,

::

what cleared your sinuses to be like, Ooh,

::

this is one of those.

::

I need to think Doug, narrow it down.

::

Go ahead.

::

I think for me,

::

it was it was the transition.

::

We're about I think,

::

like a third of the way

::

through the movie.

::

And

::

uh jesse the new

::

photographer is trying to

::

get sleep and they do this

::

kind of like they lull you

::

into this sense of like

::

safety and familiarity even

::

though by the way there's

::

like clearly gunfire

::

happening a mile off you

::

hear it in the sound and it

::

you know they're and joel's

::

like oh you just try to

::

sleep blah blah blah and

::

it's like oh okay we're

::

going to sleep we're going

::

to sleep and then snap it's

::

a bullet and like

::

it is a credit to the sound design.

::

Cause like, I was like, is this a dream?

::

Like, it's just so shocking.

::

It's almost surreal.

::

And it's like, no, this isn't a flashback.

::

This isn't a dream.

::

Like they're in it.

::

Like these, this is it.

::

This is the civil war.

::

This is what the movie is about.

::

And it's this terrified man

::

hiding behind a column like that.

::

And that is based on what we

::

have heard of war.

::

That, that is war.

::

You are just trying to survive war.

::

the next thing and it is

::

people who look like they

::

just came from a Jimmy

::

Buffett concert I was

::

thinking the same thing bro

::

I was about to say you know

::

is the best way to say it I

::

didn't realize that they

::

were probably the Florida

::

Army until after the movie yeah

::

um but it doesn't matter

::

right it doesn't matter in

::

that moment because that

::

dude's getting shot at and

::

yeah it totally brought me

::

into the movie and was like

::

this is it we're doing it

::

and you have jesse they're

::

trying to learn how to take

::

a picture of someone being

::

shot at and it woke up all

::

of my senses a hundred

::

percent nice yeah like it I

::

think I think for me

::

not to be too obvious about it,

::

but I do it.

::

Those, those put me like,

::

those were certain Brian,

::

that is a great example

::

because those put me on edge that moment.

::

Certainly that moment certainly did it.

::

The moment where the

::

firefight at the edge of the white house,

::

like where they're trying

::

to get behind the barricade,

::

like really super, super intense.

::

But the thing that fucked me

::

up the most that made me go like,

::

Oh Christ,

::

like this is going to be a

::

thing is that opening

::

sequence with the woman

::

with the flag bombing the water truck.

::

that that messed me up

::

because those I think where

::

this is this this set the

::

stage for me on the stakes

::

yeah and I realized why it

::

was so early in the movie

::

is one I didn't expect it

::

to be there right I didn't

::

expect that I expected a

::

yeah this is a conflict to

::

be honest with you I saw

::

the police and I kind of

::

expected one of them to

::

shoot it shoot a civilian

::

That felt like a bait and switch.

::

Cause I felt like a huge bait and switch.

::

I was like, Oh God,

::

they're going to fucking hit one of them.

::

And cause I,

::

that's just where I saw it going.

::

So then when somebody who is

::

wildly unassuming,

::

who you didn't even notice

::

until right before it happens,

::

picks up a flag and runs in

::

slow motion to bomb the truck.

::

That to me, like that was such a,

::

oh god like this is the

::

stakes for what's going on

::

and what they're involved

::

with the rest of it was

::

military combatants people

::

who were armed fighting one

::

another that one messed me

::

up because I was like no

::

the stakes here are

::

different like the stakes

::

with whatever conflict is

::

going on yeah is a whole

::

other level and it's

::

something really serious

::

that that is affecting it

::

at the level that there is a

::

suicide bomber in the

::

middle of New York City.

::

Like that to me was just another level.

::

With an American flag.

::

With an American flag.

::

Because again, I think the thing,

::

and from listening to

::

interviews and things like that,

::

I think that's the thing

::

that we're trying to go here is that,

::

I think the statement is like,

::

we all assume none of this

::

can happen or you see it

::

somewhere else and you go, never here.

::

And then what Alex Garland

::

does very well as he goes is,

::

No, this stuff happens everywhere.

::

It's not unrealistic to

::

assume that it could happen here.

::

One interview I want to

::

share with and I'll share

::

with in the chat.

::

Lisa Fottle from NPR

::

interviewed Alex Garland

::

and she Leslie Fottle.

::

I can't remember her first name,

::

but she used to be a military reporter.

::

She was on front lines in

::

places like Baghdad and

::

Cairo and parts of Africa.

::

And one thing she says is she goes,

::

so tell me about why did

::

you make some of these choices?

::

He goes,

::

because whether we want to admit

::

it or not and whether it

::

gets covered or not,

::

these things are happening.

::

And that's why the press is so important,

::

because they have to shed

::

the light on and you have

::

to see it like you have to

::

see it to believe it,

::

that it could happen.

::

And so I think that that to me.

::

That statement compared with

::

that scene with the American flag goes,

::

okay.

::

Yeah.

::

That's,

::

that's why we're following them

::

around is we have to see

::

this to believe it and to understand it.

::

Okay.

::

Yeah.

::

All right.

::

All right.

::

Next question.

::

Marcus, what was yours?

::

Oh, do you want to, did you have one?

::

Hey,

::

Yeah,

::

my pop moment is probably the it's

::

really late in the movie,

::

but after it's her crawling

::

out of the pit on top of dead bodies.

::

Yeah.

::

And what got me was it's the

::

length and the duration of

::

the shot because it didn't

::

just show that she fell in

::

the pit and landed on bodies.

::

They showed her struggling

::

to climb over dead bodies

::

to get out of the pit.

::

It was grotesque.

::

And the way it's framed like

::

it when you see that pit

::

and you're standing on the

::

outside of it looking at it,

::

it doesn't look big.

::

But then when she's in there,

::

that that fucking pit takes

::

up the entire frame and you

::

are just trying to figure

::

out where she is.

::

in what literally is a pile

::

of dead bodies.

::

Brian,

::

it is what makes it... When you said

::

it's a horror movie, I was like, no,

::

he's not wrong.

::

That scene alone was like, holy shit,

::

what a scary moment to see that.

::

That was crazy.

::

I mean, it did make me queasy, 100%.

::

And it...

::

I don't know.

::

I don't know.

::

I think it was just the

::

visceralness of Jesse,

::

like literally having to

::

climb over these dead bodies.

::

And to your point, Marcus,

::

like it's a lot deeper than you think.

::

And you're just in a dead bodies.

::

Um,

::

Yeah, it was chilling.

::

And here's why I like the scene.

::

I may have inferred entirely too deeply,

::

but like you said about the

::

environmental explanations and shots,

::

right?

::

If you look at where they are,

::

they are in a field of green grass, okay?

::

Like bright green, green grass.

::

They are also pouring

::

something before they get there,

::

which seems to be like

::

seeds or some type of

::

fertilizer or something.

::

It's...

::

So what I would have

::

imagined what they were

::

doing is that was a

::

perfectly cut out square.

::

It seems like they were killing people,

::

putting them in the dirt,

::

and then grass was growing

::

over the top of them.

::

So that entire field could

::

have been filled with,

::

I interpreted it to be like,

::

they have fields of people being killed.

::

Like, you know what I mean?

::

But maybe that's a stretch,

::

but I don't know.

::

It was something about...

::

It seemed like it was

::

inferring that they were

::

doing that constantly.

::

Yes.

::

To me, it went, oh,

::

what a convenient place to

::

cover up a war crime.

::

That's the thing.

::

Going back to a point I made previously,

::

we assume that war crimes

::

happen in a jungle a

::

thousand million miles away.

::

and it's not they can happen

::

anywhere and it doesn't

::

take much there are I

::

fucking we live in south

::

dakota like it wouldn't be

::

hard oh fuck hold on not

::

that but you know what I

::

mean like what I was trying

::

to say was it's not outside

::

of the mind to say what war

::

crimes were committed and then covered up

::

You know what I mean?

::

I almost went to a rabbit

::

hole where it said,

::

too hard to commit a war crime.

::

That is not the route.

::

Hey, NickyBT,

::

I swear to God I'm not

::

committing war crimes.

::

I swear to God.

::

I'm just trying.

::

I was going down a rabbit hole.

::

I had to stop myself.

::

I got excited.

::

But what I'm saying is that

::

it's not outside of the mind to say,

::

you know, if it were to happen,

::

North and South Dakota

::

would be great wet places.

::

Nope.

::

Go ahead.

::

No, because I'm trying to help you.

::

Because of mainly because of

::

the whole night.

::

She's like, what the fuck am I watching?

::

I'm just joining her.

::

yeah all right so the next

::

question is if you were a

::

war crime what war crime

::

you were a war criminal no

::

um what would be your crime

::

of choice thanks for doing

::

this where would you go huh

::

well clearly mine's mass

::

graves so clearly but no to

::

your point doug it's these

::

rural areas right that that

::

are out of the way that are

::

unsuspecting and it's

::

people who it is people

::

who don't think it can happen.

::

It's for people that don't

::

think it can happen.

::

Yes, it can easily happen.

::

I think what they were spreading was Lyme.

::

Oh, that's what it was, Brian.

::

It was.

::

But yeah,

::

I totally get that as a pop moment.

::

It made my stomach queasy.

::

Well done, Alex Garland.

::

I hated it.

::

Good job.

::

I hated it.

::

All right.

::

Can you give me your

::

favorite moment or least favorite moment?

::

I also take least like which

::

one did you like?

::

Oh, I don't like that.

::

But in like a good way or

::

which one did you like?

::

Oh, they explain that pic.

::

They painted that picture or

::

delivered that message very well.

::

I think for me,

::

one of the there's I think for me.

::

I hate to bring it back to a

::

scene that we've just spent

::

so much time talking about.

::

No, I think you have to.

::

But I think the way Jesse Plemons...

::

The man,

::

the way Jesse Plemons played that.

::

What kind of American are you?

::

That phrase of what kind of

::

American are you is sort of

::

like deep on so many other levels.

::

And it's just so masterfully listed.

::

He's so... I love it when...

::

someone is so calm, they become menacing.

::

And that's the thing about

::

him that I love the way he played that.

::

He was not on edge.

::

He didn't look like he was on edge.

::

He didn't look angry.

::

He didn't look mad.

::

He looked...

::

call and I'm going to ask

::

you a very matter of fact

::

question because I'm

::

prepared for whatever the

::

results are but here's the

::

thing nobody knows what the

::

right answer is and that's

::

the reason why it fucked me

::

up yeah and I you can say

::

I'm reading too much into

::

it but I that scene I think

::

one of the reasons it's so

::

scary is like you don't

::

know who he's gonna shoot and yes

::

And you're like,

::

who's going to make it out?

::

And in the back of my mind, I was like,

::

he's going to shoot all of them.

::

He's just dragging it out.

::

Because the reporter,

::

and I'm totally blanking on his name,

::

and I'm going to find it really quick,

::

but the New York Times reporter, Sammy...

::

He's absolutely right.

::

He's like, no, they're all dead.

::

If you go over there, you're dead.

::

And Jesse Plemons' character

::

was absolutely stringing it

::

out because he enjoyed it

::

or he enjoyed the power or

::

he just enjoyed leading the conversation.

::

And it's like,

::

there's not a win scenario here.

::

This is it.

::

Brian,

::

I think if you take it a step further,

::

I think the other reason

::

why it's so menacing is

::

We don't know what side he's on.

::

Yeah, we don't know.

::

They've never explained it.

::

Who is he fighting for?

::

Like,

::

is he fighting for the Florida Alliance?

::

Is he fighting for the president's army?

::

Right.

::

He asked him, though, and they asked him,

::

they said,

::

aren't you with the Western forces?

::

And he doesn't answer.

::

He doesn't answer.

::

He literally like skips right by it.

::

And you sort of go like, oh, fuck.

::

And that's the thing that

::

makes it so hard is if I

::

don't know who you are,

::

I don't know how to answer the question.

::

And it essentially becomes

::

this like standoff of you don't know me.

::

I don't know you.

::

So the only choice is we go

::

back to that scene where

::

it's like there's somebody

::

shooting at me.

::

So we're shooting at them.

::

That's what this is.

::

And that's again,

::

it just takes it to another

::

level where it's it's menacing.

::

Like it is a menacing moment.

::

A hundred percent.

::

And I will answer your question, Marcus,

::

but I do want to take a

::

Films in Black and White

::

victory lap because we all

::

watched this preview and we

::

all went into the chat

::

about Jesse Plemons and we

::

all clocked that sequence

::

for exactly what it was.

::

We did.

::

We talked about it.

::

I can't remember what episode.

::

I'll bring it up later.

::

But it was like,

::

Jesse Plemons is going to be

::

this awful white

::

supremacist and basically

::

that's what ended up

::

happening so I just want to

::

take a victory lap here

::

please join us for our

::

podcast follow us for more

::

futuristic insights of what

::

you can expect in movies so

::

Look,

::

you gotta give credit where credit is

::

due.

::

That's true.

::

We saw Jesse Plemons and we were like,

::

this guy's gonna be bad news for us.

::

We know what he's like when

::

he pops up in roles.

::

It's like, he pops up and he's like,

::

oh yeah, that guy's gonna fuck some shit.

::

He just asked what kind of

::

American we were.

::

And remember,

::

he was married to Kristen Dunst.

::

So I leaned over in the

::

movie and I randomly said,

::

I wonder what their sex is like.

::

Right.

::

Okay.

::

Okay.

::

I just want to be honest.

::

I bet it's weird.

::

Does he wear those glasses?

::

Yeah.

::

Those glasses were a touch.

::

Those are my Bubbler glasses.

::

They gave me those when they

::

sent me packages from Bubbler.

::

And I was like,

::

how the fuck did he get those?

::

Okay, so don't drink Bubbler, apparently.

::

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

::

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

::

That's what I heard.

::

That's what I heard.

::

We know you're listening.

::

Reach out to us.

::

We'll share our media.

::

Stop sending glasses to white supremacists,

::

Bubbler.

::

No free passes from me.

::

We'll advertise you on a bracket about,

::

like, your favorite Marvel characters.

::

What's your favorite drink?

::

It's Bubbler every time.

::

Oh, man.

::

But, I mean, to answer your... I mean,

::

obviously,

::

I think that the scene that we

::

just talked about is, like,

::

one of the best sequences in the film.

::

But I think, for me, one of the other,

::

like,

::

good sequences in the film for me was...

::

when they get to the Western

::

forces forward base and

::

essentially they've just

::

survived Jesse Plemons.

::

Um, we have Sammy bleeding out.

::

He's probably not going to make it.

::

And like the way they use

::

sound to kind of convey all

::

this anger and sadness,

::

like there's these Chinook

::

helicopters that are just like,

::

I was worried my,

::

my theater speakers were

::

going to blow out.

::

Cause it was so loud.

::

We don't have a million.

::

Oh, okay.

::

Um, but like, it was just like the dum,

::

dum, dum,

::

And it's like dropping off a Humvee.

::

But you see I mean, you see Joel,

::

the character Joel,

::

just screaming because he

::

just lost a friend and

::

everyone is processing.

::

But I thought that was a

::

really I don't know that I

::

just thought that was a

::

really cathartic and

::

creative way to convey this sense of loss,

::

to convey the sense of

::

futility and to have this

::

oppressive noise on you,

::

just like this unrelenting feeling.

::

This unrelenting force you

::

can't get rid of,

::

and all you can do is try

::

to deal with it.

::

I thought that was very well done.

::

I want to add,

::

and then you combine that

::

with the fact that Kristen

::

Dunst is literally cleaning

::

her friend's blood off the seat.

::

And there's all of this

::

cacophony of sound.

::

It's just so much in that moment.

::

with the gut punch that

::

they're like oh yeah by the

::

way they like surrendered

::

the war's over the war's

::

over oh so we did so we did

::

all of that for nothing

::

cool which is I was not

::

expecting that in this

::

movie no and I applauded in

::

this movie I think it is so

::

smart and I think it makes

::

so much sense for the

::

finale which I'll talk

::

about at another point but

::

it's like this makes sense

::

like all of this does

::

narratively make sense and

::

it focuses on the right things

::

Yeah, I think for me,

::

my favorite moment was the transition.

::

So there's two parts in the

::

final scene when they go to

::

the White House, right?

::

They have the scene where they're at.

::

There was a black man who

::

was a soldier who was

::

hiding behind the column.

::

And he's leading,

::

the journalist is leading

::

the younger photographer by

::

holding the back of her like jacket.

::

bulletproof vest right

::

through the thing and kind

::

of guiding her to keep keep

::

the eyes together I asked

::

doug like why why is he

::

doing that why is he doing

::

it he said to keep her

::

moving to keep her like

::

yeah she slows down she

::

gets in the way and

::

somebody gets shot it's on

::

her right and so and I want

::

to add to that I love this

::

idea that the journalists

::

are so much involved nobody

::

ever stops them from being

::

a part of like oh the

::

military is about to push

::

into the white house

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Include them into like

::

they're giving signs and signals of like,

::

yeah, we about to go in right here.

::

You need to hop in right

::

here and are just molding

::

them right into the function.

::

Well,

::

and I don't know if this was intentional,

::

but it definitely felt like

::

the Western forces, they wanted that.

::

They right.

::

They wanted those news reporters.

::

They wanted to.

::

I said that at the end, Brian.

::

So that was going to be my next point.

::

Oh, everybody loves you.

::

Everybody wants to be a part of history.

::

Right.

::

And so that's the picture

::

that goes in the history

::

book is look at how they

::

posed up in front of the body.

::

And that's what we would do overseas,

::

you know, in other countries.

::

But to do that in your own

::

land in the White House is

::

a crazy thing to think about.

::

Right.

::

Like Nazi flag on January 6th.

::

Mm hmm.

::

Right.

::

You know, I mean, so.

::

You know, I'm just spitting facts.

::

These are things that happen.

::

So one of the things that I

::

liked was on the back end

::

when they're storming and

::

actually going into the White House,

::

it transitions where Jessie

::

is no longer afraid.

::

She's going to go get those fucking shots.

::

But the person that he has

::

to lead and push forward is

::

Kristen Dunst.

::

Because she's throwing up.

::

She's crying.

::

She can't stop going.

::

And he looks at her at one

::

point and is kind of like,

::

He looks at her and the way

::

he looks at Jesse like, oh God,

::

this transition has happened.

::

She's not going to get the shot.

::

Jesse's going to be the one

::

to get the shot.

::

And I like that.

::

And then when she gets shot,

::

there's a scene or this

::

snapshot of Jesse laying

::

next to the body of Kristen

::

Dunn's character.

::

And there's bullets,

::

there's bullet casings surrounded her.

::

There's two bodies next to each other.

::

And when she gets up,

::

there was almost this

::

transference of like spirits, souls,

::

feelings.

::

Ah.

::

When she laid down,

::

she laid down in her innocence,

::

but when she got up,

::

she got up as this numb

::

character of what Kristen Dunst was.

::

She embodied everything that

::

Kristen Dunst was.

::

Did not hesitate to get the shot,

::

did not hesitate to get anything.

::

Yeah, that was her transformation.

::

That was the climax of her transformation.

::

Yep.

::

That's an amazing call-out

::

and description of that

::

because I didn't think that

::

in that moment because I'll be honest,

::

the assault on the White

::

House is so well done,

::

I didn't have time to think about it.

::

And that's the part, by the way,

::

that's the part of the

::

third act that surprised me

::

when I'm referring back to

::

what I said earlier because

::

I thought basically when

::

the cars drive out of the White House...

::

This is it.

::

It's going to be a whimper, not a bang.

::

Then it was this moment.

::

I don't even know how to describe it.

::

When Kirsten Dunst looks at

::

the White House, she's like, no,

::

he's in there.

::

I'm like, no way.

::

Marcus fucking called that shit.

::

Oh, man.

::

Those are decoys.

::

He's in there.

::

And just this idea of one,

::

there's more of the movie left.

::

Amazing.

::

But two, oh no.

::

You know the whole thing.

::

Oh no.

::

It's not a haunted house,

::

but it's just this house of

::

horror of you know exactly

::

what's going to happen.

::

And it wasn't the fear of

::

what's going to happen.

::

It was the fear of I know exactly.

::

This movie has told me

::

what's going to happen.

::

And it's going to be awful.

::

And there it is.

::

You go straight down the hallway to it.

::

Man, yeah,

::

I just really liked that action sequence.

::

So I'm really glad you brought that up,

::

Marcus.

::

All right, two more questions.

::

What was your favorite

::

picture that was taken in

::

the movie that stuck with

::

you after it was over?

::

So for those that haven't seen it,

::

they do a combination of as

::

the movie is going.

::

So something that he does really well,

::

as I'm explaining,

::

allowing the guy some time to think,

::

There's an amazing contrast

::

that Alex provides here

::

because there was a song

::

that was randomly played and I was like,

::

why the fuck are they

::

playing this song with

::

everything that's happening?

::

But one thing he does really

::

well throughout the movie

::

is capture the contrast of things.

::

There is a car wash.

::

with bodies hanging in it.

::

There's all of these

::

different shots of like the

::

White House and a military

::

person with a gun in the

::

White House in rooms that

::

are like legendary.

::

So he captures all of these

::

moments really well.

::

Was there a picture that

::

stood out to y'all that

::

they kind of flashed on the

::

screen the most?

::

I can start.

::

I liked.

::

Yeah, go ahead.

::

I liked when the friend, you know,

::

they were trying to get the

::

guy from behind the column

::

and like Brian said,

::

they're dressed in shirts.

::

You have these regular dudes

::

that are dressed in these

::

regular Florida shirts,

::

like these button-ups, Jimmy,

::

Margarita time type shirt.

::

Bulletproof vest.

::

Yes.

::

With like a bulletproof vest

::

over the top of it.

::

And the guy is reaching out,

::

like trying to resuscitate

::

or trying to bring back his friend and

::

And you can see the life leave his body.

::

I thought that that was a

::

perfect capture of like at

::

the end of the day,

::

these are regular people fighting a war.

::

Yes.

::

That have been recruited to

::

either fight a war or

::

volunteer to fight a war.

::

But they're not like dressed

::

in military clothing head to toe.

::

They got a fucking

::

bulletproof vest on with a

::

shirt from JCPenney.

::

Yeah.

::

So I thought that that

::

picture captured things really well.

::

Yeah,

::

I think that was going to be mine too,

::

Marcus.

::

I think the way that it was

::

framed and the way that it was shot,

::

the way that he's reaching

::

back at that moment,

::

I thought that was just

::

really – because he's calling for help,

::

but it's like he's the only

::

one who doesn't know.

::

He's going.

::

The rest of them know,

::

and they're like standing there,

::

but he's still fighting.

::

I thought there was a lot to that.

::

I was going to make an ankle back joke too,

::

but I decided not to.

::

That's how you remind me, Doug.

::

Look at this photograph.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

That's fair game.

::

We need a little bit of levity.

::

Marcus,

::

that is really inappropriate that

::

they would say,

::

look at this photograph by

::

Nickelback in the middle of

::

a song about war photography.

::

It's just rude.

::

It's insensitive.

::

That's what it is.

::

Brian, keep going.

::

I mean I think for me I

::

appreciated the photograph

::

and I think I'm remembering

::

this correctly of the

::

downed helicopter in front

::

of the JCPenney I liked it

::

mainly because narratively

::

it's like where I mean it's

::

kind of where these two

::

characters of you know Lee

::

and Jesse are starting

::

their journey together and

::

they're trying to figure

::

out what they are but also I feel like

::

It's giving this vibe of like, yes,

::

this can happen where you live.

::

There could be a downed Huey

::

in front of your mall.

::

This isn't that far off to make believe.

::

And I know there's some

::

other critics and reviewers that are like,

::

I couldn't get with it.

::

Like I couldn't believe,

::

or I couldn't buy into what I was seeing.

::

Like it wasn't real enough.

::

And I just don't get that.

::

I didn't, that was not my perspective.

::

It seemed very like the

::

photography that was done.

::

It was like, everybody knows a JC Penny.

::

No one would ever think a

::

war would be there.

::

So having those two things

::

next to each other in that contrast,

::

I thought did its job,

::

even if it was on the nose.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Agreed.

::

I like it.

::

Yeah.

::

I think, yeah, Brian, that was well said.

::

Yeah.

::

I think, I think that was a,

::

I think that that's where

::

Kristen Dunn starts taking

::

some responsibility for

::

Jesse a little bit.

::

And that's such a good, that's such a,

::

it's like one of the really

::

good wholesome moments in the movie.

::

I couldn't tell what their

::

relationship was.

::

Not that you really needed to.

::

I was trying to figure out

::

what their relationship was

::

trying to flourish into.

::

If it was mother-daughter, sister-sister,

::

or romantic.

::

I don't think there's any romance in here.

::

There was one scene that

::

made my stomach curl, which was the lead

::

journalists trying to hit on

::

jesse in the back of the

::

car well he was like you

::

don't want to be scared

::

alone don't be afraid oh

::

you're doing a very

::

specific person's voice

::

that's not his voice so

::

we're just gonna I think

::

you might be projecting a

::

little bit you don't want I

::

understand wait no that's

::

right what the fuck am I

::

projecting I don't start

::

with me I don't know man I

::

don't know what it is

::

I did not read it as romantic,

::

but I do... I get what you're saying,

::

though, Marcus.

::

I understand how it can be read as...

::

as romantic when they're

::

trying to dress on I was

::

like huh okay okay yeah

::

there was like some type of

::

tension there and also like

::

kind of with the movie

::

you're like I don't know is

::

this guy legit like he kind

::

of seems like a few fries

::

loose of a happy meal um

::

because he's just like

::

because he just is like

::

such an adrenaline high so

::

you're kind of like not so

::

sure about him at times in the movie

::

A few miles loose of a Happy Meal.

::

I mean, like, but the movie goes on.

::

They're in the box, Brian.

::

No, it doesn't matter.

::

They're not in the actual Happy Meal.

::

A Happy Meal with no toy is

::

kind of psychopathic.

::

What's the point?

::

And he's an adrenaline junkie.

::

That ends up what it is.

::

He doesn't have other

::

motivations other than getting that.

::

Don't be afraid, dude.

::

Don't be afraid.

::

Don't be afraid to wake up.

::

I understand why you read

::

that scene that way, though.

::

Yeah, it was very creepy.

::

All right.

::

Last question.

::

What is our favorite type of war crime?

::

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

::

That's an inappropriate

::

question that I'm not going to answer.

::

She actually submitted a question, Doug.

::

She said specifically, Doug,

::

where would you commit a

::

war crime and what is your

::

current address?

::

And I plead the fifth.

::

That's weird.

::

That's weird.

::

The FBI is that way.

::

All right.

::

Yeah.

::

Did you guys hear that glass

::

shatter like in unison?

::

Oh, wow.

::

All right.

::

They're asking me questions.

::

What did the journalist represent to you?

::

Oh, I thought about this.

::

I can go.

::

Yeah, I did.

::

Go ahead, Brian.

::

I this this movie is very much to me.

::

It's very a lot of a lot of

::

things in this movie are

::

pretty clear to me.

::

And I feel like again,

::

my interpretation is that

::

these journalists are

::

basically they are

::

representing this like last

::

line of defense to the nation's soul.

::

Not to be dramatic,

::

but that's kind of what it

::

feels like of just this nation that

::

has kind of become complacent and,

::

and they, there, there are people, they,

::

they make comments during the movie,

::

again,

::

more environmental contextual

::

storytelling about how

::

Jesse's family and Lee's

::

family know there is a

::

civil war happening.

::

They do not care.

::

They're on a farm and they do not care.

::

And I think that,

::

later in the movie, as you, you hear Lee,

::

she's like,

::

part of the reason I did this

::

was so that like,

::

I would take these photos

::

and I would send them back,

::

letting people know like,

::

this is terrible.

::

Don't do this.

::

Or like avoid this at all costs.

::

And that is a little bit in

::

contrast when she also says

::

during the movie, like, Hey,

::

we're not here to make opinions.

::

All right.

::

We're here to take pictures

::

and let everybody else sort them out.

::

And she kind of betrays

::

herself in that moment of like,

::

The whole reason I did this

::

job was to show how terrible it was.

::

So I was like, so you did care.

::

You did have an opinion.

::

You weren't unbiased,

::

even if you didn't think you were.

::

And the line is,

::

I take the pictures and

::

somebody else puts the story together.

::

Exactly.

::

And so it's like journalism

::

is this window to the world

::

to show people like this

::

isn't the way to go about things.

::

These are the terrible things that happen.

::

And to me,

::

it is this story of how these

::

journalists tried to do

::

that and nobody listened.

::

Nobody cared.

::

Nobody listened.

::

people were ambivalent and

::

that that is the theme I

::

kind of drew out of it

::

because there are people

::

that I know that are like

::

oh I actually just don't

::

read the news at all I

::

don't read the news at all

::

and I'm so much happier and

::

it's like fake news fake

::

news yeah um like cool for

::

you but like there are

::

there are things that are

::

happening that are hurting

::

people that you can even

::

get involved with at a local level

::

that you can help your

::

fellow community members.

::

And obviously this is taking

::

it to a dystopic extreme,

::

but like this world happens

::

partly because there are

::

ambivalent people not

::

caring and not doing anything.

::

And these journalists are,

::

Essentially, it shows them failing.

::

They failed to inform the

::

nation or sway them in any

::

particular way.

::

And it's not necessarily their fault,

::

but they didn't do what

::

they set out to do.

::

I mean,

::

even even what's his name in the

::

older gentleman,

::

the older journalist says, oh,

::

it's happened.

::

Kristen Dunst Lee has lost her art,

::

love of the art of journalism.

::

Yeah.

::

And it happens like she's so numb to it.

::

Yeah.

::

Sammy.

::

Yes.

::

Thank you.

::

Sammy says, oh,

::

Lee's lost her art for journalism.

::

And and kind of he was right.

::

He was absolutely right.

::

He didn't lie.

::

And you can see it in her

::

eyes that she just didn't

::

have that same passion until Jesse.

::

kind of come back since she

::

sees this picture that

::

Jesse took and says, that's the one.

::

You know what I mean?

::

And she says, that's the one,

::

so you can see it.

::

I think for me, the journalists are,

::

I just think,

::

I don't know what they represent,

::

but you can see that

::

they're more protected.

::

And so I feel like you see

::

see that when you wear the vest,

::

you're a little bit more protected.

::

You need to wear Kevlar.

::

You need to... Just ignore it.

::

You need to wear Kevlar.

::

You need to wear the hard hat.

::

They are easily welcomed into the fold.

::

People want you to capture their moments.

::

They want you to capture

::

what the fuck is going on

::

on their side of things,

::

and they protect them

::

during the duration of it all.

::

When we went to LA, we road tripped to LA,

::

and we were with...

::

We were with the guys that do L.A.

::

Sundays where they block off

::

the street intersection.

::

They do a lot of of Nikki is defending us.

::

And I think there is like L.A.

::

Sundays, they block off the intersection.

::

They do like the car tricks

::

and all that other stuff like that.

::

One of the things we had,

::

we all had cameras when we

::

were going and we told them

::

we were with media.

::

They immediately welcomed us

::

into the fold and would

::

tell everybody as we got to new places,

::

they're with us, they're with us,

::

they're media.

::

Because they wanted us to

::

capture what was going on

::

and being a part of that moment.

::

And that was kind of what I

::

felt like with this movie was, you know,

::

when you're on whatever side,

::

you want your story to be

::

told through the eyes of the journalist.

::

And if a journalist is with

::

you and you let them in,

::

they can tell your side of the story.

::

You know what I mean?

::

And I think that there's a

::

deeper message there,

::

but I can't really put it

::

into words at the moment.

::

No, I think you got it.

::

I do think that is... And I

::

think you underscored it

::

too with your earlier point

::

about how the Western forces were like,

::

no, no, no,

::

you stack up with me because

::

we need the reporters when

::

the moment happens of it

::

being a when and not an if.

::

Right, right.

::

Thank you, Brian.

::

Yeah.

::

I think for me...

::

I look at there are two, unfortunately,

::

in the times that we live in,

::

I think that there are two

::

types of truth.

::

There's lowercase truth,

::

like lowercase t truth,

::

which is subjective to the individual.

::

And I do personally believe

::

that there's uppercase truth,

::

which is what really happened.

::

Right.

::

Like there are there are facts.

::

Right.

::

And what I appreciate and

::

what I think that these

::

what I think that this

::

movie does an excellent job

::

of is I think that it

::

really shows that

::

journalists are the

::

crusaders for capital T truth.

::

Like they are they are

::

they're trying to against all odds.

::

I mean,

::

they are in they are in an

::

environment where.

::

where the president does not

::

like you has actively

::

rejected you has said if

::

you set foot in washington

::

dc you're basically the

::

rumor is no confirmation

::

but the rumor is you're

::

executed on site like all

::

of that there and yet you

::

are still committed to go

::

to the one place no one

::

else would go that's a

::

commitment to uppercase t

::

truth that I think is yeah

::

So I think he does a good

::

job of painting these folks as heroes.

::

I do think, Brian,

::

you bring up an interesting

::

discussion that I've had a

::

hard time with squaring up,

::

which is this idea of

::

people who are ambivalent.

::

Because on one part of me,

::

I get and I empathize with

::

their ambivalence.

::

Some folks' brains,

::

the notion of trying to

::

understand what is

::

happening thousands of

::

miles from you is anxiety-producing.

::

And so through a series of self-protection,

::

you have to be like, I just can't.

::

I can't do it.

::

And I think,

::

but you also then also that to

::

the other side,

::

because you're absolutely right.

::

Like even educating yourself

::

to a certain point,

::

even if you do nothing about it,

::

at least now, you know, right?

::

Like there's, there's some of that,

::

that knowledge,

::

the GI Joe's weren't wrong.

::

Knowledge is power.

::

Like the more you know about it, the more,

::

you know, the more, you know, is, is,

::

is certainly a really true phrase.

::

So I think.

::

Like,

::

I think I think there's just a lot

::

there for me that I think

::

this movie does a good job of saying,

::

like, who should you feel?

::

Who are you mad about the fact?

::

Like, who are you more like?

::

Are you more like?

::

lee who's like mad that her

::

family in colorado is

::

actively like putting their

::

heads in the sand or are

::

you more like jesse who's

::

eh fuck them like if they

::

don't want to believe it

::

that's fine this is the

::

story I want to tell and I

::

think it does a really good

::

job of being like you can

::

both be doing it for

::

different reasons yeah but

::

so long as you're going for

::

that ultimate pursuit of

::

like uppercase t truth I

::

think you're in yeah you're

::

in good spot anyway

::

I have to agree.

::

I do have to, you know,

::

I've been having a lot of

::

conversations about Gen Z.

::

I'm actually reading a book

::

and I can't remember.

::

Oh, everybody.

::

It's just it was a book that

::

was given to me from my

::

supervisor and just kind of, you know,

::

I've been having a lot of

::

conversation about feeling

::

your feelings and how this

::

generation loves to feel their feelings.

::

And I do understand not wanting to.

::

You know,

::

you don't want to do that all the time.

::

Right.

::

Like for me,

::

I can't turn the TV on and just so sure.

::

But I can't also I also

::

can't afford to be unaware

::

of what's going on and be

::

just oblivious and ignore

::

what the fuck is going on.

::

It is a balance that has to be made.

::

And the type of journalist

::

and journalism also matters.

::

Right.

::

Because some are sleazebags

::

and they only want to do it

::

to get a story to get

::

something out for just like hot.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Real quick shit.

::

Some are still trying to

::

capture like the moderate

::

journalists that aren't

::

trying to push a propaganda

::

or an agenda are still

::

trying to like figure it out.

::

You know what I mean?

::

Like it's, it's, it's just,

::

it's kind of crazy,

::

but that's kind of where I'm at.

::

Gentlemen,

::

I didn't have any other questions.

::

Anything else from the movie

::

that we felt like we wanted

::

to cover that we missed

::

that was important.

::

I mean, I, I,

::

I just wanted to say that

::

the cinematography in this is incredible.

::

It's going to get an award.

::

It's incredible.

::

It is the lighting that they

::

use is just like I could

::

talk to the like I would be

::

happy to talk to the

::

lighting specialists who

::

worked on this movie

::

because they did a scene in

::

pitch black and I don't

::

know if they only used

::

firelight to simulate or

::

like to get the light.

::

It was like they shot it in pitch black.

::

They shot it at night.

::

Sorry.

::

That's me.

::

I thought we were talking

::

about the movie Pitch Black.

::

Oh, fuck.

::

Riddick was in it?

::

Riddick was here?

::

Where was his bald-headed ass?

::

Sorry about that.

::

Girl,

::

they shot this movie in the dead of

::

night.

::

That wasn't a joke.

::

That was dead serious.

::

That was not even a joke.

::

I'm not even going to play

::

it off like I was joking.

::

This movie is so serious.

::

I welcome Vin Diesel showing

::

up and being like,

::

I did have to get on this spaceship.

::

That's a terrible Vin Diesel.

::

Because this movie does such

::

a good job of being like,

::

you should be scared.

::

You should try to avoid this.

::

Like, what are you doing?

::

But anyway, the lighting is phenomenal.

::

The way that the shots,

::

like shot composition,

::

it is of course also amazing.

::

But just these wide,

::

the ability to have these

::

wide panoramic views of

::

destruction and then

::

focusing on these really, really

::

quiet or loud small moments

::

like in the corner of an

::

office park that's a

::

battlefield or in the white

::

house or like in one

::

intersection of a city

::

street and make it feel big

::

and small all at the same

::

time it's just like if you

::

haven't go watch 28 days

::

later like if you if if

::

this is your first

::

experience with alex

::

garland go watch 28 days

::

later and then the rest of his work um

::

I've seen everything except men.

::

Um, so I can't really talk about that,

::

but I,

::

you'll enjoy it if you enjoyed that,

::

this movie.

::

So I just wanted to give a

::

shout out for that.

::

Cause I feel like it really

::

added that the gravitas to

::

this movie that it needed.

::

Word.

::

Um, yeah.

::

Uh, do we, uh, anything else with this?

::

Anything else?

::

I do not have anything else.

::

I think we covered it really, really well.

::

I certainly would go see it.

::

Like it was well done.

::

It's worth a watch.

::

If you can see it in theater.

::

Great.

::

If not,

::

I think this would be just as

::

enjoyable at home.

::

Like one of those.

::

So like, if you can't get to a theater,

::

don't, don't sweat it.

::

But I think it's,

::

it's going to be good

::

wherever you watch it.

::

So certainly worth a watch.

::

For sure.

::

Absolutely.

::

I mean,

::

if you sat through this and you

::

haven't seen the movie and

::

you're still interested, go to an IMAX.

::

Go to an IMAX and watch this.

::

Because you're in for a treat.

::

I wasn't able to get to an IMAX, but yeah,

::

I wanted to say that out

::

loud because the sound is a shame.

::

Brian,

::

do we know what we're going to

::

review in the future here coming up?

::

Yeah, I do see the chat comments.

::

Nikki gets an award because

::

she heard the war crime

::

comment and she went,

::

maybe I should stick around.

::

And then followed us as our

::

first Twitch follower to

::

write off the war crime comment.

::

Out of context.

::

Most outer context that you

::

can say for this movie.

::

You can catch the beginning

::

of this every Wednesday

::

when we drop the audio on everywhere.

::

Films in black and white.

::

Our episodes come out

::

Wednesday wherever you get podcasts.

::

We haven't decided on a movie.

::

What would you like us to review?

::

Next week, we're going to do a bonus.

::

We're going to watch The Life Aquatic,

::

which is a Doug Wagner recommendation.

::

That'll be exclusive for our

::

Patty family folks.

::

It'll come out on Monday,

::

but the podcast itself will

::

release that same Friday.

::

You'll get it either way.

::

Then I think after that,

::

we've got to check the calendar,

::

but we'll keep it updated.

::

yeah we'll uh yeah um we'll

::

release a new calendar for

::

may 2 with that coming up

::

and then next week is

::

probably going to be a news

::

roundup episode our

::

listeners that are

::

listening to this in

::

podcast format uh so you

::

can look forward to that

::

and then we'll be recording

::

our bonus episode next week so

::

So it's going to be one of

::

those shorter news episodes,

::

but bonus and early access

::

to that for our Patriot.

::

We might even talk X-Men 97

::

a little bit next week.

::

We got some shit to unpack with that too.

::

So I think there's some shit

::

to unpack there too.

::

Yes.

::

Gentlemen,

::

we have reached the lovely time

::

where it is time to plug things.

::

Brian, what do you got to plug this week?

::

Before I plug,

::

I just want to give a shout

::

out to everybody in our chat.

::

Our chat was exceptionally active tonight,

::

and we appreciate that.

::

Nikki, Mason, Roman,

::

everybody who stopped by our chat,

::

thank you so much.

::

So the one thing I'm going

::

to plug here is my wife's Etsy store,

::

Color Me Confetti.

::

Head over to Etsy.

::

Type in Color Me Confetti

::

for all of your printable event needs.

::

You throwing a party?

::

Don't go to Amazon.

::

Don't go looking for overpriced stuff.

::

Just go to Etsy on Color Me Confetti.

::

You just print that stuff out.

::

You got a printer.

::

You got paper.

::

Print it out.

::

It's all at home.

::

Color Me Confetti on Etsy.

::

Absolutely.

::

Marcus J., what do you got, sir?

::

Make sure you follow the mantra,

::

never offended, always humble,

::

or N-O-A-H for short.

::

You can hit the link in my bio,

::

Marcus J. Destin, on all socials.

::

Buy yourself some gear,

::

listen to some music, stream some music.

::

I got music out right now.

::

S-O-U-L-T-Y-E also has music

::

out right now.

::

But whatever you do, stream the music,

::

stream the mantra, wear the mantra,

::

love the mantra, never offended,

::

always humble.

::

I want to plug this podcast.

::

So if you enjoyed our

::

conversation about civil war,

::

head over to wherever you

::

get your podcast,

::

check out some more of our episodes,

::

share us with a friend or a

::

family member.

::

That is the best way for a

::

small podcast to grow.

::

So pass along that way.

::

If you're feeling generous,

::

head over to patrion.com

::

slash films in black and white,

::

sign up for one of our tiers there.

::

That's how you get all the

::

fun bonus stuff we're doing.

::

But,

::

But in the meantime,

::

we have a three-step process to success,

::

gentlemen.

::

Brian, lay us down with that first step.

::

Hey, folks.

::

I'm here to tell you to read a book.

::

Marcus is already living this.

::

He's a living embodiment of this.

::

Read a book, all right?

::

And it can be nonfiction.

::

You can just read about the

::

things happening around you

::

or read a newspaper.

::

What this movie is basically

::

begging you to do is just

::

read about the things that

::

are happening around you.

::

Begging you, please, just read books.

::

Any about the current events

::

happening around you.

::

Read a book.

::

Yeah, absolutely.

::

Marcus, what's that second step, sir?

::

If you want to survive the

::

apocalypse or a third term president,

::

make sure you drink some water.

::

You just never think about

::

when the apocalypse or

::

dystopia area happens.

::

You always forget.

::

Like you take it for granted.

::

Drink some water.

::

I mean, keep your piss clean.

::

It's important.

::

And most importantly, look, y'all,

::

wash your ass.

::

You got to wash your ass.

::

Also got to wash your legs.

::

Look,

::

some of y'all are just getting in the

::

shower and you're not washing waist down.

::

And it smells like we can find.

::

We know.

::

We know when it happens.

::

Wow.

::

I know you think, oh,

::

the water's just going to

::

run down my legs and it'll be fine.

::

It's not true.

::

You're just wetting up funk.

::

You know, when you sit down,

::

you can still smell you.

::

That air that comes off your ass.

::

Adding tips.

::

Yes, that is how our population skews,

::

NickyVT.

::

This is not for you.

::

You can go do whatever you want.

::

Anyway,

::

but this is like so it's all like

::

you're not washing waste down.

::

You're not scrubbing your legs.

::

You're just basically making it worse.

::

So here we go.

::

That's that's just where we're at.

::

So be sure to wash your ass.

::

Look, y'all,

::

that does it for this week's

::

episode of Films of Black and White.

::

We'll be back next week with

::

another outstanding episode.

::

So in the meantime and in the between time,

::

stay safe, stay healthy.

::

We love y'all.

::

We appreciate y'all.

::

And we will catch y'all next week.

::

Any slick-ass comments?

::

Doug,

::

what war crime are you committing

::

after you get done with it?

::

None.

::

He's going to bed.

::

I'm going to bed.

::

You're going to wake up with

::

flashlights in your fucking face.

::

There's a flag on my work computer now.

::

They're going to come at me.

::

We got him.

::

I'm in a lot of trouble.

::

Bye, girlie.

::

Bye.

::

He's fucked.

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