Today we are joined by longtime friends of the show, Caitlyn and Cullen of Caitlyn's Conspiracy Corner to talk about not one, but three movies, one of the greatest trilogies of all time, Robert Zemekis's Back to the Future 1, 2, & 3! These movies need little introduction, but for the uninitiated, the films star Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd as they travel back and forth through time to remedy the mistakes they both inadvertently cause for their own past and future selves.

We discuss what the films mean to us, how they may or may not be indicative of the culture of Reagan's America, and how the third movie is either a worthy entry to the franchise or a terrible tacked on addition to an otherwise perfect duology. Your mileage may vary on it, and it doesn't seem like any of us got 88 mph out of it.

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Track 2: Thank you for joining us tonight. Tonight, we're going to be talking about the

Track 2: Back to the Future trilogy all three movies and joining us tonight we have a

Track 2: long time friends of the show caitlin cullen of caitlin's conspiracy corner

Track 2: that is still you're still doing that right that still exists no.

Track 3: But it's not because we.

Track 2: Made the.

Track 3: Decision stop we just are.

Track 2: We just want to we want to hang out we're keeping this in this is all staying

Track 2: in this is still out there all right Yes.

Track 3: You guys, listen, all our fans deserve an explanation.

Track 3: Our thousands of listeners that moved over to this podcast.

Track 2: You heard it here first, okay? Caitlin's Conspiracy Corner is officially on hiatus.

Track 2: There is possibility in the future of them returning to their own show.

Track 2: Also here. They'll be here again in the future as well. But tonight, we're here to talk about,

Track 2: Back to the Future, one of the greatest trilogies of all time.

Track 2: We're going to hit all three movies.

Track 3: Bill's not going to like me very much.

Track 2: Thank you for joining us.

Track 3: This is going to be worse than me bringing up Star Trek last time.

Track 2: Excuse me, Caitlin. We've already done Cornetto Trilogy. I'm well aware of your proclivities.

Track 2: What I am truly afraid of is how the water and sodium reaction of you and Ward.

Track 2: but I'm actually looking forward to that so Ward can really bring the energy.

Track 3: Me and Ward are besties.

Track 2: Gigawatts of energy.

Track 3: Me and Ward are so annoying together that we've done this before right we did

Track 3: back to the future and it was never released unreleasable it was unreleasable no.

Track 2: It was released.

Track 3: Oh was it okay yeah well we were we were scolded a lot on that episode because we were too annoying i.

Track 2: Remember correctly there is

Track 2: a uh an individual who shall not be named on that episode as well that is.

Track 3: Why we're.

Track 2: Doing a redux.

Track 1: Yes so that that's partly why we're doing this we thought hey we should do back

Track 1: the future again but it makes sense just to do the whole trilogy all at because

Track 1: it almost feels wrong to be like, after one movie, you're like,

Track 1: well, now we have to stop.

Track 3: Yeah, we need all three.

Track 2: Was the original release not all three?

Track 1: No, just the first movie.

Track 3: No, just the first one. Okay. I had never seen the third one until this weekend.

Track 2: Really?

Track 3: And she loved it.

Track 2: Really?

Track 3: Huge fan. Before I even pressed play, she was like, I just really hate Western stuff.

Track 3: I was like, well, get ready.

Track 2: We watched it last night. And I mean, my wife and I have seen all these movies multiple times.

Track 2: We've definitely seen the third one the fewest times. and we watched it last

Track 2: night and the entire time my wife's like this just isn't as good she's like

Track 2: the entire she's like this just isn't as good as the movie i don't like this

Track 2: as much this is not a good the entire time i.

Track 3: Was pacing around i felt yeah i was i it was a struggle.

Track 2: For me it came up again tonight earlier tonight like we're just like sitting

Track 2: down after like dinner and she's like it's just really not as good she's like

Track 2: she's like did you know i looked it up on wikipedia people like it better than

Track 2: two what is wrong with people that's.

Track 3: Crazy i have to say i'm one of those people now i do think three is better than two.

Track 2: Okay so get him out of here,

Track 2: no i can't.

Track 1: Because they're on the same channel.

Track 2: That's ridiculous when i was a kid Caitlin, do something about this.

Track 4: Caitlin, kick him out.

Track 3: When I was a kid, two, I thought was by far better than even one.

Track 3: Two was my favorite. Big six-year-old energy.

Track 3: Now I've come to the point where two is just like, I can't get over some stuff about it.

Track 1: See, I think that three, I like three, but not better than the other ones.

Track 1: So I thought that I was going to be the only one here that actually enjoys the

Track 1: third movie. Listen, I don't- For many different reasons.

Track 2: I don't not enjoy it. I don't not enjoy it. It's just not as good as the other ones at all.

Track 1: Let's start with the first movie and then we'll get to the third movie.

Track 1: We don't want to, you don't need to jump to the, we don't need to go too far into the future.

Track 3: We don't want to blow our load.

Track 2: Evan did not provide me with an intro script and told me to riff and now he

Track 2: is regretting his decision.

Track 3: Riffing an intro is hard. They would always make me do it for Conspiracy Corner

Track 3: and I was scared every time. And we got to the point where we had been recording

Track 3: for like seven years, you know, once a year.

Track 3: But it was, no, we used to actually record regularly.

Track 3: And it was scary every time to do it. And I'm pretty, I'm pretty brave.

Track 3: It's scary.

Track 2: I don't normally have a problem. You know, as a lifelong DM,

Track 2: I riff a lot and I, you know, never prepare for games. So, you know.

Track 3: Okay. Okay.

Track 2: But yeah. So we'll move into the first movie first. And we're going to move

Track 2: through each of the movies one by one, much like we did Croneta Trilogy.

Track 2: We're going to discuss them all. And then we're going to go through it,

Track 2: starting with how much fucking money did Pepsi give for these movies?

Track 1: I tried to find out and I could not find out. I just know that they use it for

Track 1: like a rebrand of their logo and a bunch of other stuff.

Track 2: But geez, there's so much Pepsi anyway.

Track 3: Is it, is it as I'm trying to remember now, is it as prevalent in the first

Track 3: one or is it just the line of like, give me a Pepsi free?

Track 2: It is as prevalent in the first one.

Track 3: Is it? Okay.

Track 2: Oh yeah.

Track 3: Cause I was thinking maybe if it's not, maybe it's like it comes around again because they're.

Track 1: So if you go to the Back to the Future wiki page, it actually lists all the

Track 1: time that they mention Pepsi.

Track 1: And apparently, it's not always that they're mentioning it, but sometimes they'll be sitting on it.

Track 1: Yeah, in the second movie when they're in the alleyway when they first land,

Track 1: there's a Pepsi crate behind them.

Track 1: When he goes in the first movie, there's a Pepsi crate. So they just product placed it everywhere.

Track 2: Everywhere.

Track 3: Oh my god.

Track 4: Maybe in the future of Back to the Future, there's like a franchise war like

Track 4: Demolition Man and Pepsi One.

Track 1: Taco Bell.

Track 3: War, you might be right.

Track 2: It's possible.

Track 2: I mean, Biff, if Biff likes it, you know. Anyway, Evan, do you want to start

Track 2: us off with the first entry in the film?

Track 1: Yeah, I mean, so the, like, probably, I mean, in the first time we did this

Track 1: episode, we talked, we brought up a lot of the, like, making of it.

Track 1: And you could probably spend, like, a six-part series just on,

Track 1: like, the making of these movies of facts and all kinds of stuff.

Track 1: And I'll try not to say too many of them. But, you know, the first one is sort

Track 1: of a, I don't want to call it amazing that it was made, but there was a lot

Track 1: of struggle to get it made, mostly because, you know, there just wasn't any interest of it.

Track 1: Spielberg got involved. Of course, this was made. It came out in 1985.

Track 1: It was a blockbuster hit for people who obviously have seen this.

Track 1: They know Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd of the main stars,

Track 1: Leah Thompson, Crispin Glover.

Track 1: michael j fox was not the original character who's supposed

Track 1: to play marty in this and they replaced him

Track 1: after basically filming the whole almost the entire film and it um was just

Track 1: a blockbuster hit immediately and so they're like yeah we need to make sequels

Track 1: basically after the first one came out but they did not plan to make any sequels

Track 1: when this movie came out it wasn't called part one it was just called back to

Track 1: the future so i don't know it's,

Track 1: I love this movie.

Track 3: Our cat loves it, too. Our cat's screaming at us.

Track 1: Cat's like, yeah!

Track 3: Sorry. This is her favorite.

Track 4: This movie fucking rips.

Track 3: She's mad because we're normally fast asleep by now, so everyone in our house is confused.

Track 3: I was just going to bring up the Eric Stoltz thing. Has everyone seen the pictures

Track 3: and any of the clips of Eric Stoltz?

Track 3: Yes. I'm mad. Yeah, it's very weird.

Track 1: He played it straight. Like, it's not comedic.

Track 3: Yeah. I don't know if there's any, is there any audio? Cause I've seen like,

Track 3: there's some video and there's some like still shots that I've seen,

Track 3: but I don't know if they've ever actually released.

Track 1: I don't think there's actually, I think you're right. I think it's only just

Track 1: like at some, I think it's like, he doesn't want it to be released or like they did it.

Track 1: You know, I think he, he and Robert Zemeck has apparently have like come to

Track 1: terms. They're not like mad at each other. He's not mad at him anymore.

Track 3: Right.

Track 1: Yeah.

Track 3: I read that he was like, as they were filming, like he even was like saying to like his,

Track 3: like like people doing his makeup and stuff where he's like i don't

Track 3: know why they hired me for this like i

Track 3: don't think i'm good for this like so he are i think

Track 3: he already knew that that it wasn't gonna work too damn and apparently they

Track 3: like they like had to keep filming because they weren't sure yet that they were

Track 3: gonna get michael j fox and so they were like it was obvious to him of like

Track 3: oh that's weird that we shot that scene but they only got coverage for christopher

Track 3: lloyd like they They never got coverage for me.

Track 3: So I wonder if I'm going to get fired. And then a couple weeks later,

Track 3: after filming more stuff, he is fired.

Track 1: They apparently were negotiating for weeks with Michael J. Fox.

Track 1: Yeah. Because he was filming, was it Family Matters at the time?

Track 1: yeah or whatever the show he was on and so the crazy

Track 1: story i think we i told this the last time we we discussed this but he would

Track 1: film that show during the day he would be in like the back of a pickup truck

Track 1: sleeping while they would get him to the set for back to the future and then

Track 1: he'd film into the night barely slept and they'd take him back and he'd film

Track 1: like you know for weeks god,

Track 1: and that's crazy no but look at the performance he

Track 1: gave is just brilliant yeah there's so

Track 1: many to think about like the thing that i can't get

Track 1: over when i watch it this time i mean again from like the

Track 1: political mind of it is just how shitty

Track 1: life was for people in this

Track 1: 1985 universe like even before they

Track 1: go back in time you know just where they live obviously

Track 1: you don't really get that much sense of like the other families but the town

Track 1: isn't particularly nice his family is not doing very well half their family's

Track 1: like in prison you know uh his mom's just drinking her life away it's uh it's

Track 1: 19 it's reagan era it's perfect yeah.

Track 2: It's pretty sad it's just sad it's depressing

Track 2: it really is yeah leah thomas is

Track 2: like just drinking herself to death like just quietly in the background like

Track 2: it's never noted no one ever says like hey ma like it's just quietly in the

Track 2: background as she like just continues to pour vodka into shit and drink it's

Track 2: just accepted it's so it's depressing.

Track 1: I have a question that's not a way to know.

Track 3: And then it gets fun. He tries to fuck his own mother. Then it gets fun.

Track 2: Then it does get fun.

Track 3: Then it gets really sexy.

Track 2: It picks up from there.

Track 3: Classic story.

Track 2: Listen, once you leave the 80s.

Track 3: Trying to essay your own mother.

Track 2: Much like in real life, once the 80s is over, things look up.

Track 4: The political thing I couldn't get over about the first movie was Doc Brown

Track 4: scammed Gaddafi. What the fuck?

Track 2: I have no reason to believe that he scammed Gaddafi.

Track 3: We talked about this another time on another episode, but I love in the 80s

Track 3: where everyone was living in fear that people...

Track 2: Of the Libyans.

Track 3: Yeah, Libyans were going to come to the U.S. and then hunt you down.

Track 3: They're coming to your house to kill you.

Track 3: It was so insane. This is in so many movies in the 80s where like,

Track 3: yeah, the terrorists would just come to your house.

Track 3: They're coming to our beautiful churches and our malls and they're going to

Track 3: go after us. They got rocket launchers. Yes.

Track 3: You got to watch out. They've got Volkswagen vans.

Track 3: You got to be prepared.

Track 1: The thing that's so funny to me is they're like, I can't believe,

Track 1: I don't know how they found you. And then like later and you see them like opening

Track 1: up a phone book and they're just in the phone book.

Track 1: Gee, I wonder how he found it. Open the phone book.

Track 1: For people out there, there used to be phone books and you would open it up

Track 1: and had everyone's name and their number in there and their address.

Track 3: Okay, boomer. Settle down. Settle down now, Grandpa.

Track 4: He's getting excited.

Track 3: He's reminiscing.

Track 4: He's having a flashback.

Track 3: Thank you.

Track 1: The other political thing that I also can't get over, but this is like Robert Zemeckis'

Track 1: thing he does in all of his movies, Forrest Gump, is just the co-opting of inventions

Track 1: by people of color by white people.

Track 1: Like, how many things does fucking Marty invent in this movie?

Track 2: We actually looked up skateboarding to see if black people invented it.

Track 3: Did they?

Track 2: No lie. He gets on the board and Jackie turns to me. She's like,

Track 2: when was skateboarding invented and who invented it?

Track 2: And I was like, shit, let me look. No.

Track 3: Was it a black person?

Track 2: No, a black person did not invent skateboarding.

Track 3: Shocking because like everything cool is invented by a black person. But.

Track 2: Yeah. As far as, you know, there is no record. It was just surfers in California that invented it.

Track 3: As far as we know. Okay.

Track 2: But the actual like invention of the skateboard mimics like is exactly what's pictured in the movie.

Track 2: It was from those what they called like crate scooters or box scooters.

Track 2: And it was a board that a crate was on as the handlebars.

Track 2: And then somebody just took the crate off and was like, we don't need this.

Track 2: We could just like that's literally what it was. That's where skateboards came from.

Track 3: Way less cool with a crate on it. So I understand the design choice.

Track 1: Wait, so if that's true, then you're telling me that Marty McFly didn't invent rock and roll?

Track 2: No, he definitely didn't do that. He definitely didn't do that.

Track 3: But he didn't invent Frisbees.

Track 1: Right.

Track 2: That he did do.

Track 1: What other stuff does he invent? I feel like now I can't think of anything.

Track 1: What else does in the first movie does he create or does he like co-op?

Track 3: In the third one, I guess he's the first person ever to moonwalk.

Track 2: Yep.

Track 1: Yes.

Track 3: In the second one, sports betting. He creates that, right?

Track 3: He creates sports betting apps. Sports betting is so huge in Missouri right now.

Track 2: It's also huge in Jersey.

Track 3: Oh, really? Man, every commercial that we

Track 3: see is like three times in a row it's the same Jon Hamm commercial that's like

Track 3: hey you lost all your friends from sports betting come sports bet and you'll

Track 3: get so many more friends they're going to think you're so cool it's really depressing

Track 3: I can't believe they can show that shit it's fucking everywhere it is we don't even.

Track 4: Look at sports betting on our computer anymore we look at it on our phones.

Track 3: I'm so.

Track 2: Tired every advertisement on a podcast is three different sports betting apps.

Track 3: Yes.

Track 2: Everyone.

Track 4: FanDuel.

Track 3: Yep.

Track 4: Bet365. I know these names better than I know my own grandmother's name.

Track 3: Oh, my God.

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Track 3: Oh, my God. Brought to you by just sports betting.

Track 2: I literally, like...

Track 3: The whole industry.

Track 2: There are times when I listen to other podcasts and I'm like, you know what?

Track 2: I am so fucking glad we don't have advertisers. And if we did,

Track 2: there is no way in hell these would be one of them.

Track 2: I'm like, I am so happy for that.

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Track 2: I don't know what else marty supposedly invents other than i know now that i say that i can't think.

Track 1: Of anything else.

Track 2: It's skateboarding uh cullen is correct he is the first person to moon moonwalk

Track 2: which again that is a black person um yes wait he invents star wars he doesn't

Track 2: i mean well he references stars he doesn't invent star wars but his dad writes a.

Track 1: Book that's based with True.

Track 3: Damn.

Track 1: Doesn't his dad then write a book that's basically about Darth Vader?

Track 2: No.

Track 1: Like, Star Wars doesn't actually exist in the Back to the Future universe.

Track 2: He just says he, like, writes, like, I think the book he writes is,

Track 2: like, literally the story of, like, their, like, romance, but, like, sci-fi.

Track 4: That's what I thought, too.

Track 1: Well, but when George Lucas then writes Star Wars later, they'd be like,

Track 1: you just copied that dude's book because he already had Darth Vader in there.

Track 1: George Lucas is fucked because of Marty McFly. Yeah.

Track 1: Disney will never acquire Star Wars?

Track 4: So is the Libyan nuclear program.

Track 2: A match.

Track 3: Is there anything in the second one that he accidentally.

Track 2: It's called a match made in space. And it is very much just the story of like.

Track 1: Okay. Okay. Fine. Wait, does he. I believe you, Evan.

Track 3: I support your ideas.

Track 1: What does he invent in the second one? Maybe there aren't as many in this,

Track 1: this franchise as I was thinking.

Track 3: You guys should have done your research. I know a bunch. I'm just,

Track 3: I'm not going to say because.

Track 2: What I want to know is, so now let's, before we continue. All right.

Track 2: So we've, we've all watched this, but what is like everyone's like kind of like

Track 2: a experience with these films?

Track 2: Like what, like how are they factored into like your like lives?

Track 3: Oh God, Colin's going to cry. The, the first two I, I were like on repeat a

Track 3: lot as a kid and love them a lot.

Track 3: The third one I hadn't seen as much, which is probably why I have the opinion that I do of it now.

Track 2: Because it's bad.

Track 3: Because it's bad, but because I just haven't seen it as much maybe. So it's just.

Track 3: Not even nostalgic. You know, it's not even nostalgic.

Track 3: It's not only bad, it's not nostalgic for you. So you don't fucking like it.

Track 3: I do like it. Okay.

Track 3: That's not what he told me. I feel like he's trying to balance how much I hated

Track 3: the third one no I enjoyed the third one well that's nice for you.

Track 4: Yeah, I wanted to like the third one more so that I could oppose Caitlin's hate

Track 4: for it, but no, I'm right with Caitlin.

Track 3: Thank you. Thank you.

Track 2: I have some, like, actual, like, concrete reasons why I think the third one

Track 2: is bad that we can go into all these.

Track 1: I'm going to cut that part out.

Track 3: I can't wait until the third one because I know one fact. I'm just kidding.

Track 1: Oh, go ahead.

Track 3: Caitlin has a fact about the third one. About the third one,

Track 3: so we have to wait, but I'm ready.

Track 3: If anyone steals my fact, I'm going to lose my fucking mind.

Track 2: So

Track 3: Watch what you say.

Track 2: Caitlin how To your To your,

Track 2: how did they affect you know what how did these influence you like you know

Track 2: what how are these in your life.

Track 3: These movies um well not in

Track 3: any way let's see she had

Track 3: a lot of old man friends when she was in high school that were inventors yeah

Track 3: i was very personal joke okay i was gonna make i tried to fuck my mom joke but

Track 3: i won't do that um because that's not you try to fuck your dad well.

Track 2: That's that makes sense it's a gender swap that makes sense that's fine that tracks.

Track 3: That tracks yeah okay so my experience with the back to the future movies i

Track 3: think it was uh i didn't grow up like you nerds where you're consuming a bunch

Track 3: of nerdy media all the time.

Track 3: And so Back to the Future for me was just like a light viewing,

Track 3: you know, like I'm sure my dad had it on occasionally or my brother or something.

Track 3: So I had seen the first one. I knew that was like a classic.

Track 3: The second one I thought was fun because when I was little, there was,

Track 3: you know, a hover round, hoverboard, hover rounds.

Track 3: There was a hoverboard and I thought that was fun. And then,

Track 3: you know, obviously, you know, my take on the third one.

Track 3: I didn't know the third one existed truly i'm not saying that it was a joke

Track 3: i thought it was just one and two but oh yeah it was repressed yeah okay i.

Track 2: Think you should go last evan because for.

Track 4: Obvious reasons yeah you're gonna cry yeah uh for me like very much like caitlin

Track 4: like passing viewing like as a kid i wasn't super into these i'm not a nerd like you guys,

Track 4: such a fucking liar so much so much cooler than y'all,

Track 4: you don't even understand but um not like i honestly didn't even remember like

Track 4: a lot of these movies at all like fuck i didn't know the third one was a movie

Track 4: i could have swore like that was just parts of like two,

Track 4: It was like the Old West stuff. I was like, oh.

Track 3: That's just parts of two.

Track 4: Oh, no, that's his own movie. Oh, fuck. I got to watch that.

Track 2: That amazes me. The idea that like you literally didn't even know the third

Track 2: movie was a whole movie. That blows my mind.

Track 4: Yeah, no, I just wasn't in the back to the future. I had like other stuff I was into.

Track 3: Yeah. Well, it shocks me because I know a lot about movies because of Cullen.

Track 3: Cullen is like truly that is his special interest.

Track 3: He didn't get a he didn't get a cool special interest. he got being obsessed

Track 3: with so which you guys can relate i.

Track 2: Love how you say that on a podcast about movies.

Track 3: That is incredible my

Track 3: goal being on this podcast is to make every single listener

Track 3: fucking hate you fucking losers but i

Track 3: cullen has has made me i'm bringing this back

Track 3: around he has made me like really into movies even

Track 3: like stuff like the shining that i did love

Track 3: as a kid because i was i've always been very into horror cullen

Track 3: has made me see it in like a totally different light just because of

Track 3: when we're watching the shining every second of the movie he is telling me a

Track 3: fact about it so like that's i know a lot of stuff because of cullen but for

Track 3: some reason back to the future it was never like i think he's told me some facts

Track 3: about probably one and probably two as well,

Track 3: but I truly had no idea three existed.

Track 2: That just blows my mind. Do you know Viggo Mortensen broke his toe?

Track 3: Was Viggo Mortensen in the third one?

Track 2: No, no. I'm just making a joke about movie facts that people love to drop while watching movies.

Track 4: Yeah, actually part of three includes Hidalgo.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 2: It's the best part of it. Three is also super, three is super racist also.

Track 3: Yeah. No surprise. No surprise there, but yeah.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 4: Honestly, you think like the first one would like provide a lot of racism.

Track 2: Yeah, you would think so.

Track 4: You know, they toned it down pretty well.

Track 2: I mean.

Track 4: They got to make it idyllic.

Track 2: It does, but it's never presented as like, okay.

Track 2: like the the the racism in the first one is kind of like casual and like it's

Track 2: done by people that are not good people like the most overt racism in the first

Track 2: movie is from biff's friends yeah unless i mean you think something else happened like no.

Track 1: No i mean i mean it's not overt you're right that is that is definitely.

Track 2: I mean outside of that like there's nothing i can save.

Track 1: This i can save this but i was going to say like part of the like the idea of

Track 1: the premise of like the them going back into 1955 is that somehow like this

Track 1: there's only one black person other than the band at the the dance there's only

Track 1: one other black person that's ever presented in the entire movie and they white sweep the floor.

Track 2: At the cafe.

Track 1: Who later becomes mayor but at the time is not and it's clearly like kind of

Track 1: showing that this sort of like white suburban setting is the ideal like you

Track 1: know this ideal time in american history you.

Track 2: Know like the way like i don't know to me like

Track 2: the way that whole like the town is

Track 2: presented in that time and like the way marty

Track 2: reacts to it it's not positive like it is

Track 2: not looked upon as a positive experience and

Track 2: a like positive representation in his mind at least and he is the proxy for

Track 2: the audience in a lot of ways like it never it has it never struck me that the

Track 2: 1950s were portrayed in any way like idyllic in that throughout that that's fair um,

Track 2: I have watched these movies entirely too many times. I grew up watching them,

Track 2: especially the first two.

Track 2: They're like one of my favorite things. I actually realized while watching this,

Track 2: I'm like that the fact that George McFly, who is a giant ass nerd,

Track 2: defends Lorraine and like, you know, like, I'm like, wait a minute.

Track 2: I think that this might have had an outsized impact on me that like,

Track 2: if you're like a nerd, you should be a good person and protect other people

Track 2: who are being like oppressed or being, you know, like treated badly.

Track 2: And you should not be the way all these nerds have become since nerd culture

Track 2: has become the dominant culture. how they're basically shitheels and they act like they're superior.

Track 2: And I'm like, I watched that and I was like, no, you should be the person that

Track 2: like, you stand against the odds and you protect other people.

Track 2: Like George McFly, who was a fucking loser.

Track 2: Even Doc Brown, who is not socially active,

Track 2: adept recognizes the George McFly is of fucking reject like.

Track 2: Doc Brown a man that clearly is

Track 2: not all there is like this is your this is

Track 2: your father this this this guy

Track 2: this fucking loser and yet

Track 2: when the time comes he does what needs to

Track 2: be done he stands up and he he does the heroic thing which

Track 2: I on it like I said I think I actually realized I was like oh wait

Track 2: I think this might an outsized outsized impact

Track 2: on my brain as a young child um and

Track 2: then oh yeah on the top of that um it came

Track 2: out in 1985 which is the year my wife

Track 2: was born and like it's one of her all-time favorite movies and

Track 2: it's like we have like you know it's like she's like

Track 2: the entire time it's like 1985 this is your own great thing aha's

Track 2: take on me back to the future me you know like you know like we've seen it like

Track 2: in theaters together because it's an important thing not only to like me but

Track 2: like to us and to her you know so oh and i just shit on it she also doesn't

Track 2: like she also doesn't like the third one keep.

Track 4: Doing it caitlin.

Track 3: No that was really beautiful i love that i really hate to like yuck other people's yums so.

Track 2: I got.

Track 3: All my shit talking out of the way first and now i feel like a fucking dickhead.

Track 2: You you didn't say you just said you didn't grow up with it that's all i.

Track 3: Just didn't grow up with him yeah yeah.

Track 2: Yeah you didn't say anything bad about it Yeah. Other than the third one.

Track 2: You said bad things about the third one, which is fine.

Track 3: I did, yeah. And I don't take that back.

Track 2: No, you shouldn't.

Track 1: Well, we'll get to the third one.

Track 3: Evan's going to tell me that it played at his wedding.

Track 2: Just in the background. It was just in the background. That was the backdrop

Track 2: when they walked up. That was the backdrop. It was the scene where the train takes off.

Track 1: Well my my like history with this is similar to

Track 1: yours bill is that i grew up watching the first

Track 1: two i pretty think i only had one of them on

Track 1: vhs i think i don't remember if it was the first one or the second one i never

Track 1: had the trilogy i didn't watch the third one that much either i saw it a few

Track 1: times you know when it came out but if you're like going to the if you're going

Track 1: to the v like the video store you want to rent a movie you know like i wasn't

Track 1: gonna pick back to the future part three you're gonna pick one or two and i

Track 1: have i have like a book about back to the future back

Track 1: behind me somewhere on that bookshelf i have them the like

Track 1: the blu-ray set i have a actually but my sister

Track 1: got me you can't really see it it's like the it's like

Track 1: a plastic i'll just get it it's like a thing that looks like the flux capacitor

Track 1: where the time we enter in like the dates and stuff it's like a little plaque

Track 1: during that my sister got me i have you know i love these movies i love the

Track 1: third one too not as much as the other two of course but you know i um because.

Track 2: It's bad thank you evan.

Track 1: I think i told you i gave the first two five stars you know out of five and

Track 1: then the third one i give three and a half that's my that's not true your.

Track 2: Thing your thing said five stars four and a half and then i think three.

Track 1: I upgraded well i it's because i used to give the second one four and a half but i moved it with five.

Track 3: Okay. Okay.

Track 4: We didn't bump three down.

Track 1: Well, I never, I never had, I never, I don't think I never read it.

Track 1: This is just, this is like, you know,

Track 1: on letterbox or whatever, but yeah, that's, that's, I mean, I just,

Track 1: you know, I know like, I know on, on not unlimited, I know many useless facts

Track 1: about these movies that are just no, not useful to any other scenario other than right now.

Track 4: So. Okay. I'll just keep judging it until you bump down three.

Track 2: I mean, the book I read doesn't know all facts. He learned a new fact,

Track 2: like, like two nights ago.

Track 1: You did give me a new fact.

Track 2: I'm not going to tell you.

Track 4: Why are you asking him? What if he says it and it's yours?

Track 3: Oh, a fact about this?

Track 2: No, it wasn't about the third one.

Track 3: Okay, okay. I want to surprise people with this fact because it's so fucking funny.

Track 3: I feel like I'm going to say it and you guys are going to be like,

Track 3: yeah, that's a well-known fact.

Track 1: I mean, now that I'm thinking, Bill, to my talking about the 50s,

Track 1: I guess you're right that they don't make it seem ideal. But the other thing

Track 1: that they also don't make, like, the 1980s seem good, they just kind of, like, make...

Track 1: life seemed shitty for mostly everyone and the only reason marty's life got

Track 1: better was because he gave his dad a pep talk when he was like a teenager and

Track 1: somehow used that advice like to better himself for the rest of you know his next 40 30 years.

Track 3: Or whatever right to not be spineless don't be fucking spineless there was a

Track 3: little bit of trauma involved.

Track 4: To not just the pep talk.

Track 3: Yeah yeah there

Track 3: was some weird stuff i i feel like it could be

Track 3: a commentary of like you know everybody that thought

Track 3: life was shitty in the 80s and like the people that wanted to go back to the

Track 3: 50s like hey the 50s weren't good either and then now in 2025 there's still

Track 3: people that think the 50s would be cool whoever thinks the 50s would be cool

Track 3: is a fucking loser it does Nothing about the 50s,

Track 3: even like all the horrible shit,

Track 3: like the good, quote unquote, good stuff still seems fucking boring.

Track 3: Awful. Awful all around.

Track 3: I hope we don't have any 50s lovers out there. And I just shit all over there.

Track 1: That was my favorite decade, goddammit.

Track 2: I do like the style.

Track 4: Could housewives still get really cool drugs in the 50s?

Track 3: I hate the style.

Track 1: I think the cars are like the one cool thing.

Track 2: Yeah, the cars are good.

Track 3: I could, I could. The cars are cool. That's about it.

Track 1: Yeah. Nothing, nothing much else for me, really.

Track 2: I mean, I mean, I mean, actually, I think I might be more 40s.

Track 2: Yeah, I'm probably more 40s.

Track 1: Style.

Track 3: Well, yeah, I feel like, like, earlier decades were really cool and fun.

Track 3: And then the 50s was like, they regressed into like, boring and,

Track 3: I don't know, like, sterile.

Track 2: I just, I find it very interesting that like, if you like, you know,

Track 2: like read about, you know, like,

Track 2: thematic like analysis of these movies like reaganism

Track 2: and american anxieties like come up a lot and i'm just like that they are actually

Track 2: like these movies promote reaganism which like i can't how i don't understand

Track 2: where the claim comes from that these movies promote the concepts of reaganism so.

Track 3: Just some random people are saying it promotes reaganism.

Track 2: Or is it.

Track 3: Like the director.

Track 2: There is like a critics and film studies. People have like said this like repeatedly,

Track 2: like throughout the years.

Track 3: Yes. I think that's what Crispin Glover was on about too.

Track 1: Why?

Track 3: One of the reasons why he didn't come back for this sequel is that he had a,

Track 3: he had an issue with, with specifically the ending where he felt like the,

Track 3: the, the, he had, I think he had a problem with the, the truck.

Track 3: Like, like Marty gets his big toy, like his cool toy at the end.

Track 3: like he felt like it's kind of like it is

Track 3: a sick truck it's got those lights on it so sick um but he felt like it kind

Track 3: of like neutered the emotional impact of like his family is happy finally and

Track 3: right after that he gets the cool truck i do i do agree with that i can see that i.

Track 2: Can totally see that yes but like overall like.

Track 3: Mm-hmm.

Track 2: Honestly, I think to me,

Track 2: these movies are so light on actual intention like that, that it's like you

Track 2: have to put an effort into making that effort to draw that in.

Track 2: Because I don't think it's Amikas is trying to say anything fucking deep about

Track 2: anything. I don't think he is.

Track 3: No, I agree with that.

Track 3: I think legitimately all that they were trying to do is make a successful comedy

Track 3: with Steven Spielberg because they had had two attempts already that failed miserably.

Track 3: And they had written the script and they were shopping it and nobody wanted it.

Track 3: And so Zemeckis went and did Romancing the Stone because it kind of seemed like

Track 3: a good opportunity to show, okay, I can make a successful movie.

Track 3: um and i think they were just trying to make just

Track 3: a fun summer blockbuster um

Track 3: like the the the writing of the script i originated where bob gale was looking

Track 3: through his dad's yearbook and was just like would i be friends with my dad

Track 3: because me and my looks like me and my dad when we were in high school were

Track 3: so different um and i think i yeah i think it's just as meant to be like a screwball comedy.

Track 4: I don't think it is that deep i was

Track 4: trying to go through and like try to pull some like oh

Track 4: let's see if there's like any political intentions and like

Track 4: yeah no i couldn't really get anything

Track 4: like too tangible to work with

Track 4: except for like the biggest one is like in the

Track 4: second movie there's like the very liberal notion of like oh when good people

Track 4: are like in charge and good things happen to good people good economic conditions

Track 4: happen but if bad people are in charge and they take advantage then bad economic

Track 4: conditions and that's like the most i could get,

Track 4: socioeconomic analysis out of these films.

Track 2: Yeah it's kind of like in that case it's like you can

Track 2: draw that from like anything it's you know and intention i do think that intention

Track 2: like when you just when we're discussing things like this intention does matter

Track 2: it contributes to the conversation and i i just i don't think i don't think

Track 2: zamikis is that deep like no offense to me no offense to zamikis evan.

Track 1: Yeah i mean i was gonna say i mean i think the way

Track 1: that i mean i think you're right colin i think he was just they're trying to

Track 1: make a fun comedy i think we say this in a lot of episodes

Track 1: where they may not have been attempting or working

Track 1: towards anything that was remotely political i don't

Track 1: think they were injecting it maybe in the second with like the biff

Track 1: character which we can talk about and what they were actually going for

Track 1: like that was clearly modeled after donald trump in the

Track 1: 1980s but i think they're just like

Track 1: liberal-minded guys making just sort of things that

Track 1: lean slightly conservative to the point of

Track 1: like what crispin glover talked about and sort of the materialism is

Track 1: the most important thing in a way at the end of the first one which i could

Track 1: see as a perfectly valid criticism but i think for them that was just like the

Track 1: happy ending right they get what they want you know i don't think they were

Track 1: thinking like oh yeah it's this is sort of a conservative or you know boomer

Track 1: generation like the gen that gen x getting what they want there.

Track 2: Are also things to be said about material needs being met and like Like, I don't think Michael J.

Track 2: Fox's family's material needs were really being met all that well.

Track 2: Like, you know, like, yeah, he got a car, but also, like, part of that is also, like, they are...

Track 2: they're they're secure now they have security which they did not have before

Track 2: you know and it's like that also does matter like that they have some kind of

Track 2: security now in their lives like,

Track 2: which goes along with like when you're non-security when you're not secure like

Track 2: people fall back on things like leotops like being an alcoholic like their lives

Track 2: fundamentally change like what could be said is that material needs and material

Track 2: conditions do matter like,

Track 2: and one of those things is like is having the things you need to live in the

Track 2: society you live in and like it's fucked up but like that's also a thing you

Track 2: have to like grapple with and he previously didn't have those things their family

Track 2: didn't have those things.

Track 1: We could go to the second movie because we're kind of sort of bleeding in to it a little bit,

Track 1: And for any, I mean, obviously we've already shared spoilers.

Track 1: Like the first movie ends, as we've talked about, is that they go back,

Track 1: you know, he gets back the old doc from 1955, helps him return to 1985.

Track 1: Leah Thompson, you know, is there. Not before his mom tries to fuck him.

Track 4: He has his beautiful truck.

Track 1: He's going to go on his trip. And then they have, what's so funny to me is they

Track 1: claim that there was no intention to making a sequel when they made the most

Track 1: sequel ending you could possibly make.

Track 1: Yeah. I don't, I've watched commentary and, you know, all these things and they

Track 1: claim they weren't, like, thinking of the sequel. I think that's bullshit.

Track 1: I don't know. I mean.

Track 4: How the fuck were they not planning a sequel with that fucking ending?

Track 2: That's a lie. They're lying.

Track 3: That's a lie.

Track 1: And they literally also, the ending credits of the original movie,

Track 1: when there was no, like, when it first came out, it says to be continued.

Track 1: But the joke was, like, that's, like, to be continued in the future,

Track 1: not, like, with a movie. Which, again, come on.

Track 3: Hmm.

Track 1: It's like, I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night.

Track 3: It is like one of, probably one of the best third acts of a movie of all time.

Track 1: It's really fun.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 2: The second movie to me is where, like, I know I, I joke. I,

Track 2: Alien and Aliens are really just one movie. But, like, Back to the Future 1

Track 2: and 2, like, they work so brilliantly together.

Track 2: Like, watching 2 really makes you, like, really appreciate.

Track 2: And now, I will say that I have long loved 2 to the point where there are times

Track 2: where I've been like, I think I might like 2 more than 1.

Track 3: Wow.

Track 2: Because there are aspects of 2 that, like, balance of where,

Track 2: like, you're referencing the first one.

Track 2: And it's like constantly feedback, that constant feedback of one and how the

Track 2: two scripts come together so seamlessly.

Track 2: The second movie is a brilliant piece of script work. It really is.

Track 1: Well i think what like your point kind of like

Track 1: the second act of the first

Track 1: movie also makes the second one even better

Track 1: because it i can't speak of

Track 1: how brilliant it is to redo a part of the first movie but from like different

Track 1: angles and perspectives like they talk about how hard it was to recreate you

Track 1: know because they end up having to go back to 1980 1955 again in the sequel

Track 1: in real life than he did Time.

Track 2: Machine it was hard.

Track 1: Yeah right yeah they had to wait until it was invented before they could make

Track 1: the movie it's really hard but yeah,

Track 1: I love the just the whole you know everything that Doc has to do like he's on

Track 1: the clock and he's that was the fact Bill that's the fact yes.

Track 2: It's a reference to a I actually don't remember the name of the movie it's a

Track 2: reference to one of the more famous silent films when Doc is falling off the clock.

Track 1: And he's trying to.

Track 3: Oh, yeah. Okay. Is it a Buster Keaton thing or what is it?

Track 2: Oh.

Track 3: I can see it. I can see it in my head.

Track 4: Yell for Jackie. Yell for Jackie now.

Track 2: What movie is it again? The silent movie? Safety Last. Is it Buster Keaton? Buster Keaton.

Track 2: No.

Track 3: No? No.

Track 2: Who is it?

Track 3: So sorry, Harold Lloyd.

Track 2: She's going to fight Cullen.

Track 3: Okay.

Track 1: I would have thought Buster Keaton, too, just based on the physical comedy that he does.

Track 3: Who the fuck is Buster Keaton?

Track 2: What? Are you serious?

Track 3: Who is Buster Keaton?

Track 4: See, Caitlin's not a nerd.

Track 2: Who Buster Keaton is?

Track 3: He was in Back to the Future 3.

Track 2: He's like one of the most famous old-timey actors of all time.

Track 3: Yeah. If you look up Buster Keaton's stuff, you've seen Buster Keaton.

Track 3: Cullen always is like, if you look up whatever old person name,

Track 3: and then I'm like, I have no idea who this person is.

Track 1: He invented some of those insane special effects with, obviously,

Track 1: just practical effects, like ever made.

Track 3: Yeah. But it's not him.

Track 2: It's not him.

Track 3: Yeah, it's not him.

Track 2: It's Safety Last, which is Harold Lloyd, which was a 1923 silent romantic comedy.

Track 1: Wait, you think his name was also Lloyd? That's weird.

Track 2: Yes.

Track 3: Crazy.

Track 1: We can go past that part. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, Cole.

Track 3: Oh, I was just going to say, like, I can see, now that you say that,

Track 3: I can see that scene in my head. And yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Track 1: It's so good. Like, his pants are ripping and, like, the thing is attached and

Track 1: it's, you know, he's, like, going to lose it.

Track 1: And then the tree falls and he has to slide down. And you're like,

Track 1: oh, my God. Every time I watch him, I'm like, is he going to do it?

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: It escalates in a perfect way.

Track 2: It's one of those things that's like, you know it's going to happen.

Track 2: But no matter how many times you've watched it, you're like,

Track 2: ooh, is he going to succeed?

Track 3: Right.

Track 1: And also, how did he not die from the lightning going through at the same time?

Track 2: He got blown off. He's fine. People live from lightning strikes.

Track 2: In real life, people live from lightning strikes.

Track 1: He only got hit by 1.1 gigawatts, not 1.21.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 1: But yeah, the second one, for people who don't know,

Track 1: it takes place like it's literally the end of the first movie is Doc Brown comes back from the future,

Track 1: takes Marty and his and Jen to 2015 to with also one of my favorite lines.

Track 1: And it's like, what do we become assholes or something?

Track 1: And he's like, no, like that's the worst thing that could happen is you could become assholes.

Track 3: I think I know I'm probably alone in this, but for me, the issue I have with

Track 3: the second one is the first act.

Track 3: And as a kid, that was my favorite part because I was like the hoverboards and everything.

Track 3: But I feel like the second and third act of the second movie is really strong.

Track 3: But the first act just doesn't, I feel like the explanation of why they need

Track 3: to go back doesn't, or why they need to go into the future doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Track 3: and and then some of the stuff of them in the future just doesn't hold up for

Track 3: me quite as well as it did when when i had first seen it.

Track 1: What gets me.

Track 2: What gets me about the second one is they literally leave his girlfriend in

Track 2: an alleyway in garbage yeah she's just there.

Track 3: They sure do.

Track 2: Until the.

Track 3: End of the third.

Track 2: Movie.

Track 1: So in a pile of

Track 1: garbage here's here's my big here's my

Track 1: big question here might be a question about part two that i've been

Track 1: like thinking about this a lot according to like doc and

Track 1: like marty himself he blames himself because he

Track 1: bought the the almanac he biff

Track 1: overhears the conversation steals the steals

Track 1: the time machine and gives it to himself to make himself rich in the future right

Track 1: in my opinion it's actually doc brown's fault

Track 1: for all of this because if he didn't show up

Track 1: brown's fault well no but but here hear me

Track 1: out if he didn't show up in broad daylight which

Track 1: he also thought was a bad idea to let people see the time machine biff sees

Track 1: him in the in the in the driveway it's like what's that is that a time machine

Track 1: and then he remembers that nugget 30 years ahead and then he sees the time machine

Track 1: again and it triggers him to then realize what it is to then steal it to give

Track 1: himself the almanac but if he had,

Track 1: later that night also why.

Track 4: Not be like.

Track 3: Hey hey it's doc when you guys have kids your son's gonna get mixed up in this

Track 3: thing so just make sure on this day like playing a family.

Track 4: Vacation or something.

Track 3: Like why do they have to go into the future to to deal with this.

Track 4: Exactly like wasn't part of the

Track 4: whole first movie like stressing like hey we can't just be fucking around with

Track 4: time machine for personal gain you gotta be careful how you affect time and

Track 4: then like the first the second movie starts off with like hey in the future

Track 4: your kid fucks up so we gotta use this time machine for personal gain that is.

Track 2: Actually doc brown's like marty's marty's character arc is like basically learning

Track 2: responsibility in a lot of ways and like also becoming sure for himself Doc Brown's, like...

Track 2: Actual story arc is being connected to other people and caring about things

Track 2: that are beyond the intellectual.

Track 2: That is his story arc. His story arc starts out, we can't interfere with things,

Track 2: and ends with, I will destroy my intellectual,

Track 2: my, by movie three, his story arc ends with, I will destroy the thing,

Track 2: I will leave behind everything.

Track 2: And destroy the greatest piece of intellectual work I've ever done for love.

Track 2: And movie two is, I will risk my intellectual integrity to ensure the well-being

Track 2: of the son of this, you know,

Track 2: this, this person who like has come to be like almost like a surrogate son to

Track 2: him. Like that's, that's doc.

Track 2: That's his story arc learning to care about things.

Track 3: And that's what really bothers me when you guys say part three is bad is because

Track 3: you don't want to see doc fall in love you don't want to see doc be happy and

Track 3: that's that's the problem with you guys doc brown haters there are.

Track 2: I have very.

Track 4: Specific in all fairness doc brown's arc started with undermining the libyan nuclear program.

Track 3: Okay and.

Track 4: Leading to the toppling in the coup of gaddafi,

Track 4: That's not the gang's fault.

Track 2: That's unfair. That's unfair.

Track 4: How's that unfair?

Track 2: I don't think you can lay, I don't think you put the whole thing at his feet. I think you can.

Track 3: I think you can more.

Track 4: They rightfully stole the plutonium. Okay. Just fully.

Track 4: And then hired somebody who scammed them. Yeah. It's his, it's his fault.

Track 1: It actually reminds me of one of my favorite lines is when he goes back in time

Track 1: in the first movie and he's like, yeah, sure.

Track 1: I'm sure in 1985, anyone can just buy plutonium at any corner store.

Track 1: But in 1955, it's hard to come by.

Track 1: It's like, why would anyone need to buy plutonium at the grocery store?

Track 2: It's the same logic of Fallout universe. It's like, you know,

Track 2: at a certain point, in the 1950s, they were like, you know, 20 years from now,

Track 2: we're just going to be using fucking radioactivity for everything.

Track 1: Yeah, that's true.

Track 2: Put it in the car.

Track 3: I went to that for a minute.

Track 2: At a certain point in actual history, they were putting radioactive material

Track 2: in children's toys. Okay?

Track 2: I just, like, in real life.

Track 1: What was that, Caitlin? yeah.

Track 2: No i have specific that is not my problem with three i have specific reasons i don't.

Track 1: Just wait wait we're not there everyone's everyone's excited to just to get

Track 1: the three well one of the things that i thought when i just thought of this

Track 1: is it would have been funny if they had somehow like invented nfts in this like

Track 1: in the future like that was like one of the things they invented but they did it.

Track 2: I love the, I love the, like the way the future is imagined by people.

Track 2: It is the future as imagined by these people is exactly the future that all

Track 2: of these like tech bro oligarchs try to create.

Track 2: And it is the most empty, vapid, hollow thing.

Track 2: And it's really like the, and to me, like, that's like the big thing that jumps out.

Track 2: And this is not, I don't think it's a deliberate action on the part of the creators,

Track 2: but this is a reflection of the mentality that if you do not change anything,

Track 2: despite the fact that you get toys,

Track 2: things change, technology advances, and people get shiny new things,

Track 2: but nothing fundamentally changes.

Track 2: If you don't change the system, nothing changes. You just get more expensive toys.

Track 2: that's it and that's exactly what they portray in that in two when they go back

Track 2: to the future it's like fundamentally nothing has changed you have jaws 19 and you.

Track 1: Have like the mayor's the mayor's like great great or.

Track 2: Like grandson.

Track 1: Is now the mayor.

Track 2: Yeah if you don't change you do get the ayatollah at the cafe 80s though that's true that's true.

Track 1: Which is awesome.

Track 4: Oh, they got rid of lawyers in the future. There is that.

Track 1: But they didn't get rid of capitalism, so.

Track 2: They probably just called them something different. They got rid of them the

Track 2: way libertarians get rid of things. They just call it a different thing.

Track 1: Corporatism, guys.

Track 2: Corporatism.

Track 3: Still got fax machines, though.

Track 2: Yeah, still got fax machines.

Track 3: They still got fax machines. They could not dream bigger than fax machines. They got wear two ties.

Track 2: To be clear, we can't get rid of fax machines in real life again.

Track 2: Why? Please make that go away.

Track 4: They just imagine smaller ones everywhere.

Track 1: I like the dehydrator, the pizza thing. That was always pretty cool.

Track 1: The little thing that comes down.

Track 4: The Black & Decker rehydrator.

Track 1: I do also like how Marty plays all of the characters in that.

Track 1: He plays his sister. He plays his son, everything.

Track 3: It's bizarre.

Track 2: It's bizarre.

Track 3: Is that a guy in weird Crispin Glover makeup? Yeah. It's a real nutty professor situation.

Track 2: Speaking of makeup, Evan, I have to ask you this.

Track 2: in two okay in the first act of

Track 2: two marty is accosted by another person to save the clock tower it is an old

Track 2: man it's a person in old man makeup do you know who that is why is he an old

Track 2: man makeup why why didn't they

Track 2: just get an old man fuck you're right it's gotta be someone if they're.

Track 3: If they're dressing them.

Track 2: Up who is like that's there's it's not a callback it's never referenced again

Track 2: who is that person are you talking.

Track 1: About the guy who comes up to Marty and asked him to give money for the.

Track 2: Clock hour and he yes well.

Track 4: That happens in the first but it's an old lady.

Track 2: But it's a real old lady but in the second what if it's an old lady in an old

Track 2: man makeup it's an actual old lady like a like a natural like in the second one what.

Track 4: If it's the old lady in makeup in old.

Track 2: Man makeup.

Track 4: Cause we hear.

Track 2: The cops talking about like.

Track 4: Oh my god that's a hell of a facelift so they gotta have some good facelifts.

Track 2: What she.

Track 4: Might have one.

Track 1: Of the really good facelifts I think the best part of the joke about the facelift

Track 1: is he looked exactly the fucking same.

Track 2: They're talking about they're talking about wait the girlfriend that's what

Track 2: they're talking about when they said the facelift oh which no.

Track 4: When leah when leah thompson's love passed out in the.

Track 2: No they're not leah thompson the.

Track 4: Fucking girlfriend that's passed out in the alley yeah.

Track 2: It's when elizabeth shoe passes out which i do believe we should talk about

Track 2: the replacement of elizabeth shoe and what people how people feel about elizabeth

Track 2: shoe being the replacement of the girlfriend i.

Track 3: Do want to talk about that because the girl they replaced her with is.

Track 2: It's elizabeth show okay.

Track 3: Well she is in uh adventures and babysitting is that the movie has anyone seen that oh.

Track 1: Yeah fuck yeah.

Track 3: Okay well i had a big crush on her when i was little so i do like to see her the reason she wasn't.

Track 1: In the sequel because she quit.

Track 4: Caitlin will not be bad mouthing her.

Track 2: Yeah her mother had cancer i

Track 2: stand her yeah but i don't i prefer the original

Track 2: actor that played the girlfriend she elizabeth shoe's

Track 2: presentation is way more just like fraught like she seems so like high strung

Track 2: and kind of like manic and like uppity jennifer in the the first movie seems

Track 2: so just like chill and cool yeah and elizabeth's presentation is so off she.

Track 3: Doesn't get to do much other than be confused and then pass out.

Track 2: Yeah that's.

Track 3: Pretty much all she gets to do.

Track 2: And hide.

Track 4: And be put- Hide while confused.

Track 2: Barrel bales of giant CDs.

Track 3: That's-

Track 1: Those were Laserdiscs, Bill. Those were gems.

Track 3: Which I love.

Track 2: It's like, they're like, in the future, we're not going past this.

Track 2: They're just going to get bigger. They're just going to get bigger.

Track 1: The guy who plays the guy you're talking about who looks old,

Track 1: I found who that it was. He was not old. They just decided to make him look older.

Track 2: Yeah, I know that. I want to know why.

Track 3: Bill.

Track 2: That's the fucking question. That's the question.

Track 4: Why couldn't you just get an old guy?

Track 3: Bill's question.

Track 1: I think the idea, so that actor was in Who Framed Roger Rabbit the year before, between one and two.

Track 1: I'm guessing he just wanted him

Track 1: in the movie and he just didn't think he would look good as a young guy.

Track 2: It's such a weird choice.

Track 3: What?

Track 2: It's such a weird choice. I know, I mean.

Track 3: That's crazy.

Track 2: It is such a fucking weird choice.

Track 3: Maybe there was something that they filmed or were planning the film of when

Track 3: they go back to 1985 or something.

Track 3: And so he was going to play two different ages, maybe. that had to be it because

Track 3: what a fucking weird thing to do yeah out.

Track 2: Of context it's truly bizarre.

Track 3: Yeah well he's the voice for.

Track 1: Roger rabbit not just the cab in the in the who framed roger rabbit that's.

Track 3: The voice actor.

Track 1: From roger that's royalty.

Track 3: Oh yeah yeah.

Track 4: Why hide that.

Track 3: Yeah hey.

Track 2: Did you guys know that who framed roger rabbit is according to evan a child's

Track 2: a kid's movie it's kids movie.

Track 3: Excuse yeah listen that's a lot of our sexual awakening okay it's more than

Track 3: just a kids movie it's the sexiest it's the sexiest kids movie there is.

Track 1: All right, so I figured it out. This guy, Terry, the guy, he was the auto mechanic in 1955.

Track 3: Oh, okay.

Track 2: Okay.

Track 3: Okay.

Track 1: So that's why he's older. It had to be that. So you're right.

Track 4: That makes sense. But they could have just got somebody else.

Track 3: Yeah, certainly.

Track 2: 1950, what year are they in?

Track 1: 60 years later. So if he was 20, he could be 80, but they have lots of surgeries now.

Track 2: So you could look like he's 60. Okay.

Track 4: Faceless.

Track 2: They did it. It's so extensive. Like, you cannot recognize him at all. Like, at all.

Track 1: He's the one. When Biff gets into the accident in the manure and he's arguing

Track 1: with him over how much money he is, that's the same actor.

Track 2: There's no way to know that.

Track 3: They could just not have done that.

Track 1: No, I never knew this, and I know a lot about this movie.

Track 2: There's no way to know that in the movie. That's wild.

Track 3: Yeah, that's insane.

Track 1: The other funny thing that I noticed when I, like, did some, like,

Track 1: stop, like, the screenshots, when they show like newspaper you know how they

Track 1: often use like newspapers and it's like oh the the story changes there are a

Track 1: bunch of really funny newspapers like the i guess the big crux of the second

Track 1: movie is that they create an alternate 1985 they have to go back and fix,

Track 1: which i think is also just like an awesome plot point and like they have to

Track 1: go to this weird 85 where biff tannen who's like donald trump is like a what the casino I don't know.

Track 1: not oligarch isn't the right word.

Track 2: He is posited as if he is some kind of

Track 2: local he's not just like yeah like

Track 2: he's not just like he is in charge

Track 2: like they pot the way he is posited in that thing as if he actually and when

Track 2: i was a child i thought he was just in charge of america like the way he's like

Track 2: putting like he's just in charge like he he rules america like that's the way

Track 2: it's it's kind of like put out there is as if like he's the president or like emperor of america.

Track 1: Well i'm about to put a put a thorn in your plan because when he holds a newspaper

Track 1: in that period it says that nixon's seeking his fifth term so nixon is still president somehow.

Track 2: Biff chanon seems to have a lot of power for a guy that he's.

Track 1: He's vice president.

Track 2: Yeah like i.

Track 4: Don't know because i mean he doesn't just own a casino with all those headlines.

Track 2: Like one.

Track 4: Of the The headline says, like, he owns nuclear power plants that dump toxic chemicals. Yeah.

Track 4: Like in mass, but like he owns nuclear power plants for fuck's sake.

Track 4: Like Mr. Burns type shit.

Track 1: Did he fund the Libyan nuclear program?

Track 4: Probably not.

Track 2: Probably not.

Track 4: Like there's not cool.

Track 3: Yeah, he's not based.

Track 2: He is like running shit.

Track 4: He owns the police.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 1: Kid, I own the police.

Track 2: I can't imagine being the actor that plays Biff Tannen.

Track 2: His character is one of the most insufferable, obnoxious, purely,

Track 2: easily hated, hateable characters.

Track 2: I couldn't imagine being that man.

Track 3: I would love to do that.

Track 2: He's like the original kid that played Joffrey.

Track 2: Three movies in a row, you just play the worst person in the movie.

Track 1: What's even crazier is the first Back to the Future movie was his first speaking role in a movie.

Track 3: Damn.

Track 2: Hey, you, would you like to sexually assault a woman on screen?

Track 3: Boom.

Track 2: Not only that, I'll do it two more times.

Track 4: Not only that, Bill, hey, do you want to be an asshole the entire time in a

Track 4: movie and sexually assault some people?

Track 4: And then, hold on, at the end, you're a fucking loser.

Track 2: Yeah you sold are you sold,

Track 2: Like, it's a fucking wild choice. It's a wild choice.

Track 3: He also ends up in Horseshit. Not to bring it back to the third one, but...

Track 2: Three times.

Track 3: All three movies. All three movies. I definitely call it...

Track 2: In the third movie, it is especially ripe, though. It is...

Track 3: It is...

Track 2: Bright green.

Track 3: Yeah. Too much.

Track 1: Here's the question I have. The first movie, they never use,

Track 1: like, the joke where Marty, if they call him chicken, he, like,

Track 1: has to... But in the second one, they just materialize this sort of lore about him.

Track 1: How does that work exactly? I couldn't put my mind around.

Track 3: Yeah, it's, it's something that I would buy.

Track 3: I would, I would buy it if, if not the first, the whole plot point of the first

Track 3: movie that he, you know, he doesn't want to be like his dad,

Track 3: but his dad isn't like, he helps his dad overcome that, uh, aspect of his personality.

Track 3: So his dad isn't like that anymore. So that wouldn't really be an issue for him. And, you know.

Track 1: But maybe that's like the opposite now that because he had him stand up is that

Track 1: he always now has to stand up for himself like he took his own advice to the extreme i don't know i.

Track 2: Mean that's it's never it's never really like explored explicitly and it's also

Track 2: like it goes against his general character his general character is pretty chill

Track 2: he's yeah just a cool guy he's just he's just chill.

Track 1: That's like the one i mean there's lots of kind of inconsistencies in

Track 1: the time travel things but that always confused

Track 1: me but the only thing i could think of is at the end of the third movie like

Track 1: the very one of the very last scenes when he doesn't get into the car accident

Track 1: because he doesn't take the bait and that's in like the current 1985 like that's

Track 1: the beginning of the movie you know right time somehow that trans i don't know yeah.

Track 3: Well i think that's all in this in the scripts for that payoff at the end of the third movie.

Track 1: Right right yeah the whole the whole time, it has to lead to that.

Track 1: But there's also the great, like, in the second movie, when Biff's in the tub,

Track 1: and he's watching the Clint Eastwood with the bulletproof vest,

Track 1: and then he uses that in the second one. That's another great call.

Track 1: There's so many good calls.

Track 3: Right.

Track 1: That's why I like the third one.

Track 3: Yeah. You're all haters. Maybe it is, like, the first movie is learning to stand

Track 3: up for yourself, and then you got two and three is more.

Track 2: Learn to let things go.

Track 3: Right, yeah. Learning to pick your babbles.

Track 2: Though I do want to say, my media thought on what he did in the third one,

Track 2: which is like, hey, man, that's also super not safe.

Track 3: Yeah, why go in reverse, dude?

Track 2: That's also really dangerous.

Track 1: It's because he had to do the little quick spin around so he could then see,

Track 1: you know, the, I don't know.

Track 1: I just want power laces and a flying car. I don't know, man.

Track 2: I wanted a hoverboard so bad.

Track 3: Same.

Track 4: Hoverboard. power laces as well power laces exist in real life but they're goddamn expensive they.

Track 1: Release like some like 500 version of the ones from part two yeah like yeah.

Track 3: The shoes exist.

Track 4: Well they like yeah nike did an official release twice and i think they're like

Track 4: 500 at release but like for the first batch at least but like yeah that's not

Track 4: how much they sell for now no.

Track 1: It's like they're like 10 grand or something.

Track 4: No, they're like 60.

Track 1: Oh, geez, really?

Track 3: We're just keeping track. We just keep an eye out for Selena.

Track 4: I used to be a sneakerhead. And then watching this again, I was like,

Track 4: oh, shit, the power laces. Oh, fuck. I forgot about those.

Track 4: And so I looked up the current prices, and it was like the last couple pairs

Track 4: hold for like 60, 70,000.

Track 2: Jesus.

Track 4: Damn. Yeah, they released them in 2011. There was only like 1,100 pairs.

Track 4: and then again in 2016 but they only did like 60 pairs in.

Track 1: 2016 they could totally have something where i just like you press a button

Track 1: and it sort of retracts them or something if they wanted to yeah.

Track 4: Nike's made a couple other.

Track 2: Models there's a current there's a current a new they're they're it's called

Track 2: power lace it's actually a current company they're currently taking priority.

Track 1: It was anything from anything like from anything else from two we can hit three Just.

Track 3: The Crispin Glover Lawsuit,

Track 3: where he sued the company for using his likeness in the second movie.

Track 3: And that's kind of, well, it's still in all actors.

Track 3: If you're a member of the Screen Actors Guild now, all of your contracts have

Track 3: it where they can't use outtakes or you're trying to recreate your likeness

Track 3: in another movie without paying you something.

Track 1: Because of this movie.

Track 3: Oh. Yeah, yeah.

Track 2: You know what?

Track 3: Hell yeah yeah that's cool it's.

Track 1: Funny like in the in the like the behind the scenes the it's like zemeckis's

Track 1: way of describing of what happened was that he asked for more money they didn't

Track 1: want to give it to him because they didn't think he was worthy of that like

Track 1: thing and then he they just he they just decided to.

Track 3: Pass on him which i think he did

Track 3: he had a point asking for more money because apparently it

Track 3: was like less than half of what everybody else was

Track 3: getting paid and he's still he's a pretty iconic character not as

Track 3: much as mcfly and doc from the

Track 3: first one but i mean he still is a pretty iconic character

Track 3: from that movie so he was worth more but i

Track 3: i think i mean he's a fucking weird dude and other other explanations of what

Track 3: he was like when they were trying to make that movie make it sound like he was

Track 3: just a constant pain in the ass so i think they just were looking for any excuse

Track 3: to say like well we at we offered it but yeah They really didn't want him to be there.

Track 1: Christopher Lloyd apparently was pretty annoying, too. Like,

Track 1: he wouldn't do any of the, um, he wouldn't do, like, during the rehearsals, he wouldn't try.

Track 1: So they started actually filming the rehearsals to get him to actually do the scenes.

Track 1: And, like, Michael J. Fox said, like, they would just have to hope that they

Track 1: got it right, like, after one of the first takes. Because, like,

Track 1: he didn't want to do more takes, so.

Track 1: He just seems kind of like a dick. Michael J.

Track 2: Fox.

Track 1: They liked him, though.

Track 2: Michael J. Fox has quite a few stories about both of them, and he's like he

Track 2: knew Crispin Glover before,

Track 2: Like he never worked with him. Um, and he'd worked with Christopher Lloyd before.

Track 2: And he's like, and he said, and like one of these, like in the book that he

Track 2: wrote about, he's like, so first of all, Crispin Glover would not stay on Mark ever, ever.

Track 2: So that scene where they're in the backyard and there's, they're by the clothesline.

Track 2: Apparently the, they actually like fenced him in with sandbags and like stands.

Track 2: so that he was forced to go where they wanted him to go.

Track 2: Because otherwise, he wouldn't do it. He just refused to do it.

Track 2: He said that, like, Michael J.

Track 2: Fox says that he's like, he thinks that Glover basically thought of George McFly

Track 2: as like a free spirit and an adventurer and a wanderer.

Track 2: And so that his character, so he wouldn't,

Track 2: stay on that either to like embody the character and

Track 2: he's you know he says he's like christopher he's like

Track 2: working christopher lloyd he's like you never is like

Track 2: you you never know quite what's going to like happen he's like but not knowing

Track 2: what's going to happen is different than like not knowing what crispin glover

Track 2: is going to do which is like not only is you not what it was going to do but

Track 2: it's never going to be even in your wildest imagination what it's going to be

Track 2: it's always going to be like on what field like apparently he is a nightmare to work.

Track 3: Oh my god they did.

Track 4: Like it is christopher lloyd is unpredictable but in frame.

Track 2: Yeah yeah exactly that's basically what it is no.

Track 1: But christopher i mean crispin glover was on an episode of family ties with

Track 1: michael j fox so that's how yeah.

Track 2: Yeah he says like and he said he's like and he says he's like i like crispin

Track 2: glover he's like i genuinely like him as a person he's like but working with

Track 2: him was a nightmare he's like it just was bad he's like i like him i've known

Track 2: him before this he's like but working that's why he had that little pad right.

Track 1: So that he could write down his lines and not like run away.

Track 2: Yeah it's crazy yeah apparently he's the real he's one of those character those

Track 2: method actors who like you can't fucking like yeah yeah he's.

Track 3: Cut from the nicholas cage cloth yeah he does seem a lot like.

Track 2: Nicholas cage i don't know i yeah they.

Track 1: Kind of have like the same hairstyle too.

Track 2: And then Christopher Lloyd is his own, you could tell Christopher Lloyd is like

Track 2: barely acting. That's just who Christopher's like.

Track 4: That's great though.

Track 2: Yeah. He has been a favorite of mine since I was a child.

Track 2: You know, like I've always loved Christopher Lloyd. Like I watched Christopher Lloyd at Taxi.

Track 2: Like, you know, like watch the weird ones of Taxi.

Track 1: Christopher Lloyd was in the year before he did Back to the Future.

Track 1: No one's going to get that. National Improves Joy of Sex. which I didn't know.

Track 3: Was a movie I didn't either did they bury that movie like tiptoes I don't know.

Track 2: Tiptoes was not buried sadly also.

Track 3: Ernie hudson was in it we had a party where we watched tiptoes and our friend

Track 3: two of our friends we like in the group are no longer friends the trailer,

Track 3: because i would they're like our weirdest friends so they did end up enjoying

Track 3: it but in the group chat we sent the trailer and then and then when they got

Track 3: there mark and nox were like what the fuck are we watching we didn't watch the

Track 3: trailer that you sent and we were like Oh,

Track 3: I'm so glad you're coming into this movie night with no context.

Track 3: It was so funny. That was insane.

Track 4: I'm very happy, but sorry.

Track 3: It was insane and it kept going. It was crazy. Let's do next left of the projector. Let's do tiptoes.

Track 1: I've never seen that.

Track 3: I'm not kidding. Evan, it's so crazy. I can't believe it.

Track 3: Gary Oldman in the role of a lifetime.

Track 2: Evan, have you listened to our Greatest Rivals episode on Tip Tops?

Track 1: No.

Track 2: It's a good episode.

Track 3: Oh, my God. It's crazy. Gary Oldman is working off his knees.

Track 3: He's playing a little person, and he is literally on his knees.

Track 3: And in some of the shots, you can see his legs, like, behind.

Track 3: Wait, but I don't understand.

Track 1: But Peter Dinklage is in it. Why do they need him to be on his? Sorry.

Track 4: Because wonderful questions are being asked.

Track 3: Where Gary Oldman, his character, is sitting on a couch.

Track 3: And it's so obvious that the bottom half of his body is inside the couch.

Track 3: And he's just got dull legs.

Track 3: He's got Kermit the Frog legs. It's crazy.

Track 3: We rewinded that like 12 times. It was wildest thing I've ever seen in my life. It was so crazy.

Track 3: They put that man in a couch and then called it the role of a lifetime.

Track 1: I'm going to watch this tomorrow.

Track 2: They were like trying to get Oscars.

Track 3: He could tell his Oscar rate.

Track 2: Which, which, right. This is the best part. Okay. This is the best part.

Track 2: Gary Oldman in that movie.

Track 2: Gary Oldman in that movie is Matthew McConaughey's. Okay.

Track 3: Little.

Track 2: Gary Oldman in that movie is Matthew McConaughey's twin brother who was not a little person. Okay.

Track 3: Matthew McConaughey is not a little person.

Track 2: Gary Oldman is a little person. Who is his twin brother.

Track 2: And then Peter Tinklage is just a separate character who is also like, why? What the fuck?

Track 3: It's crazy. It's the craziest movie I've ever seen. We quote it all the time.

Track 1: I'm going to watch it tomorrow.

Track 3: God, it's so funny. Fuck. I hate Gary Oldman with a passion.

Track 1: Oh, I love Gary Oldman.

Track 3: I hate that bitch. He's a bad person, Evan.

Track 1: I know, I know.

Track 3: He's a bad, bad man.

Track 1: I know, but he's in so many good moods.

Track 3: And they put him in a couch and try to get an Oscar from that. That makes me so mad.

Track 2: That's a plant.

Track 3: That's an industry plant to me. That's a couch plant.

Track 3: Not since J.D. Vance has anyone been deeper inside a couch. Yes, bitch.

Track 1: Tiptoe the story of jd vance,

Track 1: cullen.

Track 3: That.

Track 2: Is that's the greatest line ever.

Track 3: Once an episode cullen will come out with like the best line it's crazy if only

Track 3: this episode was about that movie,

Track 3: Yeah, you got to keep the tiptoes part in, Evan. Release your tiptoes cut.

Track 4: Or at least say you're going to cut it and then leave it in.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 1: I usually do that.

Track 2: So it could be for the super cut.

Track 3: A signature, yes.

Track 2: So it could be for the super cut. Okay, so.

Track 1: Back to the Future 3.

Track 2: Back to the Future 3.

Track 3: Part 3.

Track 4: Boom.

Track 1: Here's the thing. I'm going to tell you why Back to the Future Part 3 is good,

Track 1: despite the blatant racism, especially in the first 20 minutes.

Track 3: Are we talking about racism against Native Americans?

Track 2: Yes.

Track 3: Yeah, they were like, these are the bad guys and that's just that.

Track 1: And there's the cavalry. They're just going to go and chase that.

Track 1: Like, terrible. Even if the cavalry- Without a doubt.

Track 2: If the cavalry- I forgot that the cavalry was actually chasing them.

Track 2: And I turned to Jack and I was just like, this is just racist.

Track 2: Like, what? They just think indigenous people just run around screaming all

Track 2: the time? Like, what the fuck? Yes, they do.

Track 3: And then the cavalry comes up like.

Track 2: Oh, it's even more racist.

Track 1: Just and the all they needed that entire scene for was just so that an arrow

Track 1: could puncture the gas line.

Track 3: Yeah that was that was the.

Track 1: Point of that whole and i guess they also had the.

Track 2: Honestly i would say it's not even that it's literally for the gag that starts

Track 2: when he's driving towards it yeah.

Track 3: Yeah that's it you're.

Track 2: Right it was for that stupid gag.

Track 3: Yeah that was really dumb too yeah i

Track 3: i mean and this is my problem with both of the sequels that

Track 3: the first act of for me the first

Track 3: act of both movies is is really weak it's like they didn't know how to start

Track 3: and yeah yeah and the third one especially they didn't know how to start and

Track 3: it really is just kind of like okay play the hits and they just kind of rehash

Track 3: bits again evan was telling us why he despite this he loves this third part and now we're just all,

Track 3: i still love the evan finish i.

Track 1: So despite that horrible opening and it being really very racist,

Track 1: what I think is good about the third one is like each of them is actually kind

Track 1: of like a different genre of film.

Track 1: Like the third one is really kind of a rom-com that's set in a situation where

Track 1: they're going back in time.

Track 1: And what I like about it is that they've, what you said earlier,

Track 1: Bill, about the idea that the arc of Doc Brown is from someone who cares about

Track 1: only himself and the science.

Track 1: And he, like, there's no way anyone could fall in love. And he does.

Track 1: And their characters flip where Doc Brown is saying Marty's lines.

Track 1: Marty is saying Doc Brown's lines. he becomes the voice

Track 1: of reason to doc of like we need to do these things scientifically

Track 1: and all of these things and i think it

Track 1: it kind of dulls the message for me at the very end when he's like oh so like

Track 1: what how come this paper is blank and it's like oh well you could write any

Track 1: future you want but in some ways like he is correct in that you can change one

Track 1: thing but it's gonna you can't change like one little thing and expect it to

Track 1: change the world kind of thing he feels.

Track 2: That last line feels so like shoehorned in and like he comes off so like willy wonka it is.

Track 1: You're really.

Track 2: Wonka ass terrible it is terrible that is.

Track 1: So shoehorned in no they didn't they didn't it is.

Track 2: It is terrible and it is so i really don't like that there.

Track 4: Could have been any other like semi positive, open-ended Doc Brown lines that

Track 4: they could have used, but they forced him to say that shit, and it felt so out of place.

Track 2: It really did.

Track 3: Well, it makes me happy, and Doc Brown is like my dad.

Track 3: I see Doc Brown as like my dad. Okay. So fuck you guys.

Track 3: Caitlin, is there anything you'd like to mention about that scene?

Track 3: I would like to mention something about that scene, you guys.

Track 3: I have a little fact for you.

Track 3: So does anyone know the fact of the little kid, one of his kids in that scene?

Track 3: If you watch them, I have to get up and demonstrate.

Track 3: I've got a heating pad. I've got so many cords.

Track 2: Those little kids are creepy.

Track 3: If you watch that scene, the kid, he is going like this.

Track 3: And he's like smiling a little bit because his mom's off camera and he's telling

Track 3: her that he has to pee and they left it.

Track 3: So go back and watch, go back and watch it. Cause his face is so funny.

Track 3: He's like, it's so fucking funny.

Track 3: It's crazy. Yeah.

Track 1: You're like, we got it.

Track 4: Fantastic.

Track 3: Yeah. Nobody will notice that, which I mean, they were right.

Track 3: Not a lot of people noticed.

Track 1: I did. I did not know that.

Track 3: No, I don't think I'll be able to see that scene the same. Oh,

Track 3: no. It's crazy. Because once you see it.

Track 4: You cannot see it. I mean, it's a bad movie. I don't know if I'll rewatch it.

Track 4: So I don't know if I'll see it again. Well, now you have to.

Track 1: Part of what I like about it, too.

Track 3: Make joy and watch it.

Track 2: I know you can all see my head pointed to the right.

Track 2: And I know that Warden never knew what that means, which is I'm looking at my

Track 2: other monitor, which means I'm scrubbing to that point.

Track 3: Hell yeah.

Track 1: Here's another thing that I like about the movie. not even the plot

Track 1: is that they built like the entire city

Track 1: that they use in the third movie they built like completely

Track 1: from scratch like the whole thing was built you know

Track 1: near a train track so they could have the train of

Track 1: course but like it's just i just like i i'm not even a western fan that's the

Track 1: thing i don't really like western movies but i like the idea of all like the

Track 1: little continuity things with you know he he's really good with a gun because

Track 1: he played video games and these just these little like little things i just

Track 1: like those little quirky i.

Track 3: Feel like once once he's in the west and doc shows up for me that's when the

Track 3: from that point on i feel like the movie's pretty enjoyable for me.

Track 1: Yeah i i agree the first part of it i think it's annoying it's.

Track 3: Really boring and it's just kind of it's yeah it's it's a rehash of things from the other movies.

Track 1: And they should have used leah thompson more yeah she's only in it for what

Track 1: the two scenes basically.

Track 2: My thing about the third movie is that it feels disconnected in a lot of ways to the first two.

Track 2: The second movie, whether you agree or not with why they go back in the first

Track 2: place, it is connected directly to the time machine.

Track 2: What is happening is tied to the time machine in a lot of ways.

Track 2: Whereas the third movie, it's not. it's just he's

Track 2: just gonna go there and it's like there's no real

Track 2: reason for it it just feels tacked on

Track 2: in a lot of ways it just they just kind of like yeah like we're gonna make a

Track 2: third movie and it just that's true it does not it feels disconnected from the

Track 2: other movies in so many ways especially the fact that the first two movies constantly

Track 2: reference each other and the third movie is just it's just there it's just the third movie yeah.

Track 3: I i don't disagree with that and And I do think it suffers from the fact that

Track 3: they shot them back to back.

Track 3: So they wrote them both at the same time and shot them back to back.

Track 3: I think it would have, I would have benefited from releasing the second movie

Track 3: and then waiting a couple of years to make the third one.

Track 1: I also think that if Crispin Glover had been in the second movie,

Track 1: because they wrote him out and they had to kill him basically to not be in it.

Track 1: If they had been in the second movie and had a better role, I bet he would have

Track 1: also been in the third one somehow.

Track 1: You know, I think there would have been like a better tie in to the other two

Track 1: movies, which doesn't exist because they don't have characters to use to build

Track 1: on it. There were no other characters.

Track 1: They had to have this sort of the love story as like a new thing,

Track 1: which I don't disagree with you, Bill. I still like it.

Track 2: I don't think like I listen, I have criticisms of it.

Track 2: I don't think it's a despite what I've said multiple times. I don't think it's a bad movie.

Track 2: I think there's aspects of it that aren't great and I think honestly I think the,

Track 2: thing that's the worst thing about the movie is that it is put with these,

Track 2: the other two movies and it simply does not, it fails to connect to those two movies.

Track 2: If they had continued the storyline in a different way and then,

Track 2: you know, like, and actually made them feel connected beyond simply the character

Track 2: lines, I think it would have been, you know, greatly improved by that.

Track 2: I really think the biggest issue is that it just feels so disconnected when

Track 2: the first two movies are so intimately connected in so many ways and this one's

Track 2: just there I mean I do think I think it's.

Track 4: A bad movie that is forced and then leads into like a mid-western and I'm not

Track 4: a western fan it was a very mid-western and like there's some good westerns

Track 4: out there there's some good westerns,

Track 4: I'm still suffering.

Track 3: Watching them but this.

Track 2: Parts of it's feel like there are the some of the jokes that are made in the

Track 2: first two movies and this is to your point like where they're like actually

Track 2: you know like like i don't want to call it a bad movie like i you know but like

Track 2: there are parts flashback.

Track 3: To the beginning of him being like this is just a bad.

Track 2: Movie the first two movies like there are jokes in

Track 2: the first two movies that work because they're

Track 2: like subtle like for instance in the

Track 2: second movie when they go back to 1955 and doc brown

Track 2: says to marty um when they

Track 2: go back again to 1935 he says to marty buy some

Track 2: clothes to fit in and he wears

Track 2: what he thinks fits in which like yes it is 1955 and he fits in but he fits

Track 2: in in a way that's still like he stands out like he's he fits in but as like

Track 2: a cool person like you know like he's got the hat that the leather jacket it, like, you know,

Track 2: and then the third one, it's like, oh, you're going to go back to,

Track 2: You know, 18, it's 18, but when is it fucking 1885, 1885, you're going to go back to 1885.

Track 3: Okay.

Track 2: Here's, here's the clothes you're going to wear now. And it's like,

Track 2: it's a ridiculous outfit.

Track 2: And it's like, that's like, it feels like a cliche. It feels like a joke and a gimmick.

Track 2: It doesn't feel like a, it doesn't feel subtle.

Track 2: It doesn't feel intelligent. It feels forced. It feels like,

Track 2: Hey, look at this silliness.

Track 4: I mean, it was fucking pink with atoms on it, for fuck's sake.

Track 3: I'm so glad you guys are pissed off about the outfit, because it pissed me off

Track 3: so bad. It made me not want to watch the movie.

Track 2: It really annoys me. I fucking hate this outfit. It annoys me.

Track 4: It was forced. It feels like a bad movie.

Track 1: But it's because Doc Brown bought them. He has no style. Do you see what he wears?

Track 1: I agree that it's a hideous outfit, but I think that part of the joke is that

Track 1: Doc Brown dresses him like you know like his dad dressed him.

Track 4: No i'm evan.

Track 3: No matter what you say.

Track 4: I'll i'll as somebody who

Track 4: is opposed to the man who undermined the libyan nuclear program i'll give him

Track 4: credit that he does have some forethought did you see like that sick ass briefcase

Track 4: with all the denominations of bills with from different time eras he has forethought

Track 4: and that's the fucking clothes he got you.

Track 2: Can't you can't say that you can't say that the man that like deliberately made

Track 2: sure he had denominations of money from every possible place didn't also go.

Track 4: Also invented time travel like also that guy also.

Track 2: Didn't go away this these clothing aren't like yeah.

Track 3: What do you say to that evan.

Track 2: Nothing.

Track 1: I mean, the good store was closed. That's what they had.

Track 2: The good store was closed. Evan, they have a time machine.

Track 1: There's no Amazon.

Track 2: They have a time machine. They have a time machine. They could have waited three

Track 2: weeks. They have a time machine.

Track 3: Yeah. They could have gone back to when the store was open.

Track 1: Well, but in this case, they rebuild the time machine. They only had one shot at it, presumably.

Track 2: My point is not even that they could use it. They could have literally just

Track 2: waited until the goods store was open and it wouldn't have made a difference

Track 2: because they have a time machine.

Track 2: This is a man that builds a time machine out of a steam train. Okay.

Track 1: Which is completely unexplained, by the way.

Track 2: Oh, it's actually explained in a comic.

Track 1: I meant in the movie.

Track 2: I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding.

Track 4: No.

Track 2: I'm not kidding. No.

Track 4: I'm surrounded by nerves.

Track 2: I only know this. I only know this because Jackie and I were like,

Track 2: what the fuck? How does this work?

Track 2: And because Jackie hates that train so much and,

Track 2: hates it.

Track 1: So you don't watch the you don't watch the cartoon where they just go on the train every.

Track 2: Only reason the only reason i know this is because we both

Track 2: hated that so much we had to look up how

Track 2: the fuck that worked and jackie looked it up trains terrible

Track 2: okay and apparently in a comic book this is i'm not making this up okay he used

Track 2: parts of the broken time machine the broken delorean that was in the mine plus

Track 2: the bits from the hoverboard which had enough power to create 1.21 gigawatts of power.

Track 2: Okay. And he also, I swear to God, made a time traveling tricycle,

Track 2: a steam powered time traveling site tricycle so that he could go back in time

Track 2: to get more or go forward in time. So he could get more parts.

Track 2: So he built that one, but two time machines.

Track 3: So what you're telling me is it completely adds up.

Track 2: And makes perfect sense one.

Track 1: Plus one is four check.

Track 2: So i.

Track 3: Kind of thought this out.

Track 2: Perfectly we literally looked this up and jackie's like it's in a comic book and i was like i.

Track 4: No longer hate the train.

Track 3: It makes sense now can imagine the person having to write that comic book and just like,

Track 3: like crying.

Track 2: Drunk like.

Track 3: I don't fucking know.

Track 2: What's it gonna make a tricycle fuck

Track 2: like seriously like like i'm like okay all right i can you can get me on board

Track 2: partially partially with the like he used the parts from the broken one and

Track 2: the hoverboard okay and then she's like also he built a time traveling tricycle

Track 2: so he could get more parts like i'm done no.

Track 3: Dumb as hell how's he getting that thing up to speed.

Track 2: I don't like the train i don't like the train.

Track 2: I do like the train when they use it to.

Track 1: Push the time machine that part's really.

Track 2: Cool and they built like.

Track 1: A massive model to just blow up and they only had one shot to do it.

Track 2: But I cannot get over the fact that Mary Steenberg and Christopher Lloyd have

Track 2: a 15 year time difference and the ages make no sense at all Christopher Lloyd

Track 2: is Doc Brown when he meets Clara he is anywhere from,

Track 2: 75 to 85 years old. That's the only way.

Track 3: Yeah, but people age really fast. Wait, but dude, dude.

Track 1: Dude, wait.

Track 3: He was 15, but she basically was 85. She was really mature for her age.

Track 4: She knew about science.

Track 2: Those are the only, like he is either, he was anywhere from 75 to 85 years old.

Track 2: And 75 is really pushing it.

Track 2: Like, you have to really give some, like, you've really got to give some, like, wiggle ring.

Track 1: So this was a libertarian universe.

Track 4: Got to be gracious with those numbers.

Track 2: Yeah. You got to really, yeah.

Track 4: Oh, so this is a bad movie. Who just brought up libertarians?

Track 2: It's not good.

Track 1: I just said it's a libertarian universe.

Track 2: It's not good.

Track 3: Yeah, certainly.

Track 2: It doesn't make, I don't feel comfortable with it at all.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 1: They had two kids. The first time I ever noticed is I don't watch the third one that much. Oh, God.

Track 3: Oh, go ahead. What were you going to say? I was going to compare him to Al Pacino still having kids.

Track 2: Oh, God. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Track 3: Yeah. Yeah.

Track 1: But he made them cute things like Jules and Vern. So, you know.

Track 2: Vern is a bad man.

Track 1: I agree. The thing that I noticed was when they are at the train tracks,

Track 1: there's a sign that calls it Clint Eastwood Gulch or whatever,

Track 1: which I thought was a nice little funny.

Track 3: Wow.

Track 1: Because Marty supposedly goes off the edge.

Track 3: So they put some thought into it.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: There were some thoughts.

Track 2: Yeah, there were thoughts. That's how they got to the tricycle.

Track 1: They definitely don't, they definitely paid attention to all the little details even if they weren't.

Track 2: Good deep there are aspects they didn't.

Track 4: Think if they should though.

Track 2: There are aspects of the third

Track 2: movie that i do enjoy i actually really love

Track 2: marty's costuming after they change

Track 2: i really love his costuming in the third

Track 2: movie a lot after he changes out of the ridiculous thing

Track 2: i actually really like that um and i really love sheamus mcfly i love his character

Track 2: he's a great character he is the person who everybody should fucking listen

Track 2: to he's just the one person who's like hey could you all just not be assholes Seamus.

Track 3: McFly is his dad right.

Track 2: It's his great great great grandfather yeah.

Track 1: Well it's because of him that he doesn't get into that accident right he's like

Track 1: dude you should stop being such a.

Track 2: Bitch and he's the best character he's the best character I.

Track 4: Get what you're saying caitlin in this film he's the closest older father figure to marty so much i'm.

Track 2: Sorry i didn't realize what i thought yeah i think yeah i think i get what you're.

Track 4: Saying and i also understand when you mean this is a bad movie unlike everyone.

Track 2: Around us it's good.

Track 3: To have support from one.

Track 2: Person caitlin i thought you

Track 2: meant literally his father and i was like no what are you talking about i.

Track 3: Honestly it's 9 30 here guys remember.

Track 2: I went to bed at 5 30 yesterday.

Track 3: My brain is having difficulties okay ward what time is it in california 7 25 really yeah.

Track 2: It's do you have a time machine.

Track 3: Is that how you.

Track 4: Made i got all the lights off.

Track 3: Wow daylight savings times.

Track 4: It's like dark early now.

Track 3: I don't know what I was saying you're saying in my head he's his dad okay he's like his.

Track 2: Dad he's.

Track 3: Like his dad.

Track 2: Yes mm-hmm,

Track 2: I like Seamus McFly, personally.

Track 3: I like Seamus as well.

Track 1: I do like all the little notes. In every future, there's like,

Track 1: well, I guess not in the third, in the second movie, but they go back in time

Track 1: and they see his relatives as babies.

Track 1: In the first one, too, I like when he's like, oh, get used to these bars,

Track 1: kid. You know, because this kid's going to dab on a gun.

Track 2: So fucked up.

Track 4: So fucked up. It's so funny.

Track 1: This movie also has, like, the best meme from this movie is the one with when

Track 1: he says like oh I've seen this one before.

Track 2: I've seen that it's a rerun that is a great line oh and young Elijah Woods in

Track 2: the second one oh yeah which I did not catch that's a baby's toy,

Track 2: I love oh I love future fashion as imagined by people yeah yeah they're just

Track 2: gonna wear um acrylic rings around their head everything's.

Track 4: Really reflective yeah.

Track 3: Yeah, everything's neon or reflective.

Track 2: Which is exactly what you would think of the 80s. That's how people in the 80s would imagine shit.