Author, CEO of Ziglar, Inc, and son of legendary speaker and salesman Zig Ziglar, Tom Ziglar, explains how intentional = meaningful and the importance of getting a check-up from the neck up, and shares some of Zig’s favorite foods and activities, what he was like offstage, and why to “be, do, have”, in that order.
Today, we are talking with the son of legendary Zig Ziglar,
Host:a man who has become a legend in his own right, Tom Ziglar. He's
Host:the CEO of Ziglar, Inc, and has been bent a career in in sales
Host:and has been working with Zig Ziglar Corporation since 1987.
Host:As obviously spoken all across, really the planet and you know,
Host:the Ziglar roots run deep and wide, and everybody who does
Host:anything significant in the speaking world, and the training
Host:world is somehow tied to this wonderful family. And so Tom,
Host:man, it's good to have you. Thank you so much for being on
Host:the show. I appreciate you just being open to kind of give us a
Host:little insight or access into your life. I mean, what was it
Host:like growing up as a Zig Ziglar son? Like, can you talk to us
Host:about that just a little bit?
Tom Ziglar:Well, first off, it was amazing. As much as dad was
Tom Ziglar:loved on stage, and through his books, and people who've met
Tom Ziglar:him, he was even better at home. I mean, he, one of my friend
Tom Ziglar:said, you know, your dad walks his talk, and he's a really good
Tom Ziglar:talker. And so he was kind and consider that a love mob like
Tom Ziglar:you wouldn't believe. And I always had time for me. We
Tom Ziglar:played many, many, many hours of golf together, we took golf
Tom Ziglar:trips together. I know, because I've seen somebody, my friend go
Tom Ziglar:through, you know, challenges and their family life. We just
Tom Ziglar:didn't I didn't add that. Also, I don't know what another
Tom Ziglar:experience would be like. So it's just coming from my
Tom Ziglar:perspective. But he's the real deal. He never said anything on
Tom Ziglar:stage that he didn't back up. And then so that whole, I
Tom Ziglar:remember is a boy and come up to me and apologizing. And I didn't
Tom Ziglar:even really think he'd done anything wrong. He wanted me to
Tom Ziglar:know that he wasn't bigger than an apology. You know, he wanted
Tom Ziglar:me to know that he he wanted to follow the board and do what was
Tom Ziglar:right. And if he got out of line a little bit, he prayed out and
Tom Ziglar:go mica right. And whoever was so that was just, I was shut
Tom Ziglar:down.
Host:What's your favorite memory of your dad?
Tom Ziglar:Oh, my gosh, I have so many of them. Playing golf,
Tom Ziglar:always just a special time looking forward to. Oh, he'd
Tom Ziglar:love to compete. He'd had so much fun. And man, he would
Tom Ziglar:literally he did a good shot. And he would lick his lips and
Tom Ziglar:the intensity of the of the joy that came out of that. Probably,
Tom Ziglar:you know, there's favorite memories, and there's meaningful
Tom Ziglar:memories. And one of them did have to do with golf. I was
Tom Ziglar:about 22 or 23 years old, I've just been married. And we were
Tom Ziglar:playing golf. And in those days, I would a lot of times he'd say,
Tom Ziglar:Hey, you want to play and I deal by his house and pick him up
Tom Ziglar:that he lives right next to the golf course we drive over there.
Tom Ziglar:And we play and if you don't my mind at that time, he liked the
Tom Ziglar:best dad who ever lived, right? So we come home, I dropped him
Tom Ziglar:off, I get down, I take his bag into the garage. And I'm saying
Tom Ziglar:goodbye to it. And he says, Wait a second thought I'd turn
Tom Ziglar:around, and I look him in the eye. And he says I need to tell
Tom Ziglar:you something. And he put his hand on my shoulder. And he
Tom Ziglar:says, I don't know if I've told you now that I love you. And I'm
Tom Ziglar:proud of. And it just like the intentionality of that. You
Tom Ziglar:know, you could tell that he'd been thinking about it, praying
Tom Ziglar:about it. And of course, if you'd asked me I'd have been
Tom Ziglar:like, Dad, wait a second, he told me costal you told me
Tom Ziglar:verbally you tell me, Sharon, what you do. Just imagine doing
Tom Ziglar:this with your child or your father putting their hands at a
Tom Ziglar:quiet moment, one hand on one shoulder the other hand on the
Tom Ziglar:other tool, just the impact.
Host:It's such a simple moment.
Tom Ziglar:And it's funny because earlier today, I was
Tom Ziglar:talking to a good friend and we were talking about the Masters
Tom Ziglar:golf tournament and he said, Have you ever been there? I
Tom Ziglar:said, Yeah, he goes to the tournament. No, I've got to play
Tom Ziglar:there. And he said, we'll do it. I said, Well, my dad, and it was
Tom Ziglar:beyond awesome. But it wasn't as meaningful as the story I told
Tom Ziglar:you about a normal rounded off finish by an intimate
Tom Ziglar:conversation. And that just serves that we don't have to
Tom Ziglar:have special circumstances or events or memorable places to
Tom Ziglar:add a life changing conversation. It just needs to
Tom Ziglar:be intentional.
Host:What was the height of your dad's career? I know that
Host:you weren't always in the business. But you've been I
Host:mean, you've been in business since 1987. So what do you think
Host:he thought was the height of his career?
Tom Ziglar:Oh my God. He always thought at the height of his
Tom Ziglar:career was in front of it. And so I think it finally came true
Tom Ziglar:on November 28 2012. When he went ahead that's the height of
Tom Ziglar:his career. The public would say either, you know, when he was
Tom Ziglar:speaking in the in the 80s and 90s and 2000s to the, you know,
Tom Ziglar:the arena's that had had 20,000 30,000 the biggest event he ever
Tom Ziglar:did had 82,000 people in a in a, in a dome stadium. That's pretty
Tom Ziglar:cool. He went to Brazil and filled up soccer stadiums down
Tom Ziglar:there, in the course of the book sold millions of copies. So we
Tom Ziglar:had so many of those career pipe highlights. But if you would ask
Tom Ziglar:dad, he had always done it. It was still in front of it.
Host:82,000 people good night.
Tom Ziglar:After the first 20,000 they all look the same,
Tom Ziglar:right?
Host:What were some of the favorite things that were more
Host:random? Like I had no idea. I didn't know that. I didn't know
Host:that he loved golfing that much. I mean, I knew he was
Host:competitor. So that makes total sense.
Tom Ziglar:Oh my gosh, well, he loved Well, golf. Definitely. He
Tom Ziglar:beloved, just hanging out with the family, having the whole
Tom Ziglar:family in the house activity going on him. Now this isn't
Tom Ziglar:going to surprise you either. But him with a book that has no
Tom Ziglar:pad reading and a chair or working on his next presentation
Tom Ziglar:or his next book while all the family gets going on. That's
Tom Ziglar:life happened to him. Even better to the lake house with
Tom Ziglar:the fire in the fireplace that he'd built out of in the piney
Tom Ziglar:woods, you know, just a really quiet serene place. He loved ice
Tom Ziglar:cream. I mean, he you know whether it's French talk that
Tom Ziglar:Auburn or vanilla or whenever it was he just loved it. And
Tom Ziglar:another another thing that he loved was cornbread, buttermilk,
Tom Ziglar:so he would have that for dinner. We'd go to Luby's
Tom Ziglar:cafeteria. If they had crispy cornbread there. He'd ask for
Tom Ziglar:buttermilk in the back and he'd have a glass of cornbread
Tom Ziglar:buttered dough.
Host:I think he read something like two hours a day?
Tom Ziglar:Yeah actually he did study and research and reading
Tom Ziglar:at least three hours. He got so excited. I mean, he could just
Tom Ziglar:see it when he had a new idea. And his sole purpose of that
Tom Ziglar:idea was, if he could translate it into simple language that
Tom Ziglar:somebody else can apply, they could change their life. He got
Tom Ziglar:so excited about having a little part of that. So he was always
Tom Ziglar:on that cliff. I remember this was kind of a flashback slowly
Tom Ziglar:that I remember when he would come home from the road. And
Tom Ziglar:this is what he was in his 70s Because he was still traveling
Tom Ziglar:all over the 70s speaking and even like 70s And so you're
Tom Ziglar:getting in and out of airplanes. You don't treat as well on the
Tom Ziglar:road. He come home and he walks through the door and it's in his
Tom Ziglar:shoulders would be flooding from physical exhaustion. And his
Tom Ziglar:face will be lit up with complete emotional contentment.
Tom Ziglar:God well done energized emotionally, he do it all you
Tom Ziglar:want to do and and he was Hoh. It I used to think how does that
Tom Ziglar:happen to somebody as a kid and growing up in Washington due to
Tom Ziglar:the IRS? How did that happen? Last year, I had one of those
Tom Ziglar:leaks, you know, or maybe two years ago, we're outside of the
Tom Ziglar:three different cities and I came home. And I was physically
Tom Ziglar:worn out. But emotionally I was I was excited. And then I
Tom Ziglar:realized that a secret. Think about this. And he did prepare
Tom Ziglar:three hours every day. And then three hours for that specific
Tom Ziglar:talk before he gave. So that means he was putting the right
Tom Ziglar:information in his mind that old time. And then he gave the talk.
Tom Ziglar:Well, when you think guess who else hears that of the side of
Tom Ziglar:the audience, the speaker, and then he would get feedback
Tom Ziglar:before he left because people autographed and so on, you know
Tom Ziglar:about talking about how they read his book, is that cool, we
Tom Ziglar:can all do that in our own way we can, we can study to make
Tom Ziglar:somebody else better. That builds us. We can share it with
Tom Ziglar:somebody that builds up. And then when they give us feedback
Tom Ziglar:about the success that add whether that builds us to that's
Tom Ziglar:what I understood that thicker, he wasn't being drained, he
Tom Ziglar:would be filled up by what he did.
Host:That's so cool.
Tom Ziglar:And no matter what career we have, you know, if we
Tom Ziglar:have a career that has to do with things and products and
Tom Ziglar:technical things, then it's draining. But if we realized
Tom Ziglar:that our career is really about the relationships that we have
Tom Ziglar:inside that career, and those we work with and those we serve,
Tom Ziglar:all of a sudden it can be filling out because ours are
Tom Ziglar:still there. And we can't hope to get filled up in the process
Tom Ziglar:of filling them up.
Host:Absolutely. Well, what's going on with Ziglar? Now like
Host:what do you guys really focused on? And what is what is the plan
Host:for the future of sort of the Ziglar brand and the Ziglar
Host:business?
Tom Ziglar:Well, as everybody can imagine, we been going
Tom Ziglar:through a transition for for a number of years, even before dad
Tom Ziglar:graduated to his ultimate goal which was to get him in because
Tom Ziglar:he wasn't speaking the last few years that he was here. But we
Tom Ziglar:have been really laser focused on attracting and connecting
Tom Ziglar:with all the people who've been impacted by him through the
Tom Ziglar:years and now our Facebook is going nuts. The littler fanpage
Tom Ziglar:is the place to go. If you need a checkup from the neck up. You
Tom Ziglar:just want to get some Zukul vote and some inspiration. It's the
Tom Ziglar:community it's just amazing. But there's nothing about dads
Tom Ziglar:simple saying his clones that are viral that hit home, that
Tom Ziglar:even though you've heard it before, you need to hear him
Tom Ziglar:again, you know, there's just something about it. That's been
Tom Ziglar:really cool because the legacy lives on. I mean, let's face it,
Tom Ziglar:we are in a better position today than ever to reach the
Tom Ziglar:world. And so if we know that the principles that dad taught
Tom Ziglar:this philosophy work, then we have a bigger opportunity than
Tom Ziglar:we've ever had. So, so we are now taking our core programs,
Tom Ziglar:and allowing people to be certified to teach and try knows
Tom Ziglar:wherever they are in the world. There are three core areas, the
Tom Ziglar:dad is known for one in personal development. One is relationship
Tom Ziglar:building, and one is goal setting. And so if you're a
Tom Ziglar:trainer, speaker, or consultant, or coach, you know, your
Tom Ziglar:audience or your customer is going to want information in
Tom Ziglar:those areas. And so we realized that, hey, if we can equip
Tom Ziglar:people to teach dad's core material, how fast and how cool
Tom Ziglar:is that? Well, they can just take the best of the best and
Tom Ziglar:use it in their own way. And so we created a five day
Tom Ziglar:certification class, where you come through, you learn how to
Tom Ziglar:teach it, you're giving them the materials, the Leaders Guide,
Tom Ziglar:the student manuals, the PowerPoint is everything, you
Tom Ziglar:need to be turned key, so that you can go back to your
Tom Ziglar:audience. And then we went one step further, we kind of almost
Tom Ziglar:adopted these folks into the family. And we give them the
Tom Ziglar:logo because it will ever get the certification logo, so that
Tom Ziglar:they can call themselves by that name, which gives a huge amount
Tom Ziglar:of credibility when you're going into associations or businesses
Tom Ziglar:or things like that. He wants to bring in somebody who's really
Tom Ziglar:there maybe from the local community, but they want to know
Tom Ziglar:what credibility they bring to the table. So this means that
Tom Ziglar:he's got the Ziglar stamp of approval on it. I love it
Tom Ziglar:because it's like finding brothers and sisters I didn't
Tom Ziglar:know I had I mean that's the coolest part.
Host:Yeah, and so where do they go, just ziglar.com for that?
Tom Ziglar:Or you could call the office, all those are good
Tom Ziglar:places.
Host:Last little thing Tom, I just wanted to get kind of your
Host:ideas; what is one of the most lasting principles that he
Host:always promoted offstage that you that you really you know, as
Host:you look back on your time with him, this is one of the one of
Host:the biggest things that I learned from my dad that I carry
Host:with me forever.
Tom Ziglar:God, it was all Conoco you can have everything
Tom Ziglar:in water, if you want, it will just help enough other people
Tom Ziglar:get what they want. The motive needs to be to help other people
Tom Ziglar:be do and have more than they thought possible. And dad kind
Tom Ziglar:of coined the beat you in hand philosophy, you gotta be before
Tom Ziglar:you can do or you got to do before you can have, and our
Tom Ziglar:culture is so wrapped up into the do have to have, right, I
Tom Ziglar:want to have the car, I want to have the house, I'm gonna have
Tom Ziglar:to burn it. I want to get I want to do this cool job. I want the
Tom Ziglar:applause. I want the big stage. And that's the duty. And dad
Tom Ziglar:always said, no, no, no, that's good. But what you want to focus
Tom Ziglar:on first is being the right kind of person. And we'll give the
Tom Ziglar:right kind of person first, and then you didn't do the right
Tom Ziglar:things. Eventually, you'll have all a lot of fast offer. And
Tom Ziglar:that's why lottery winners lose their money so fast, because
Tom Ziglar:they weren't the right person to handle in the first place. If
Tom Ziglar:we're going to achieve success and fame and keep it because
Tom Ziglar:believe me, you've seen the track record of speakers that
Tom Ziglar:are industry who do very well for a time and then kind of
Tom Ziglar:disappear. It's not their speaking talent that goes away.
Tom Ziglar:It's usually an integrity issue. They lose their credibility from
Tom Ziglar:that perspective. So maintain and develop and work on your
Tom Ziglar:integrity every day. Adapt to defer that will pass
Tom Ziglar:sustainability.
Host:If you help enough other people get what they want. You
Host:will always get what you want. Tom thanks for stopping by on
Host:the show.
Tom Ziglar:Alright, thank you.