*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary: How is it we can share what we do? This is a conversation that discusses what we do with each other. Never feel as if anyone is lesser nor greater than another, we are all a part of God’s family. Show Notes: • We are a family that comes together to speak what God has put on our hearts • There is a love, respect, and trust we have for one another recognizing Christ in “our brother (sister)” • A friendship that transcends a general relationship • We are being created into gold and silver vessels for the Lord’s use References: Jeremiah 31:34  No longer will a person teach his neighbor or his relative: ‘Know the Lord.’ Instead, they’ll all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord. “Indeed, I’ll forgive their iniquity, and I’ll remember their sin no more.” Hebrews 8:11  Never again will everyone teach his neighbor or his brother by saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because all of them will know me, from the least important to the most important. Colossians 1:27  To whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. John 17:21  That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me, and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me Ephesians 4:13-15  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may row up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ; Romans 12: 10  Love each other with genuine affection, and take delight in honoring each other. Matthew 6:10  Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Hebrews 10:30,31  For we know the one who said, “Vengeance belongs to me; I will pay them back,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God! Hebrews 12:28, 29  Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire. Zechariah 13:6  If someone asks, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ they will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’ John 15:12, 13  This is my commandment: Love each other in the same way I have loved you. Greater love has no one that this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. John 14:2 NASB: “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places;” Quotes: • We are just sharing the love of the Lord that we have with one another • All about men and women that come together, and they just speak what is on their heart • My experience is going to be different than your experience with Christ • When we relate, we are glorifying Christ • There are different levels of walking with God • You choose where you want to dwell Take Away: We, as a family, are exposing our hearts to all that hear our podcasts, We’ve become very close and our trust in each other is beyond a natural trust. We believe that others will come to know the love and trust we are expressing here.

Ron:

Hello everyone and welcome to live behind the veil. I’m Ron your host, and today the family discusses the many different aspects of these deep love relationships in our Father’s family.

Deborah:

We have a walk with the Lord, we have a relationship with the Lord. Because out of our relationship, we’re ministering to each other and to others. We just want to share that with each other and with others.

Ron:

Basically, to me what this podcast is all about is a group of men and women that come together and they just want to speak what is on their heart and then as a listener, you can come into that room and sit there and listen to the conversation. And the Lord can meet you through that conversation and hopefully He will meet you enough that you will want to reach out to us and talk to us and create a relationship.

Deborah:

Become a part of it.

Ron:

That’s right, become a part of it. Exactly, that’s right.

Ed:

Preaching has never gotten anybody anywhere. You know people come in and people sit down and they preach at them and stuff. That hasn’t really met the Church of Christ. What meets the Church of Christ is when you come in and you relate to one another. What did the early church do? They came to each other house and what did they talk about? How God was meeting them and what they were doing from day to day. That’s what met them because my experience is going to be different than your experience with Christ, but they're both Christ. You give me faith I give you faith and that faith moves us forward into His Kingdom.

Sandy:

So, the relationship of love is a thing that the Kingdom is made of. And that is what we are dealing with is we all respect one another and we all know that Christ is in each of our hearts and because of that when we relate we’re glorifying Christ. It is an awesome, awesome place and as more and more of us and others do this we are going to find the Kingdom start expanding on the earth more and more.

Deborah:

And that is what our heart cry is. Our heart cry is for the Kingdom of God to come on this earth to displace all other kingdoms. To make His Kingdom be the only Kingdom on this earth. And we love each other. The love of the Lord is so evident in our relationship with each other.

Jim:

I kind ‘a like the word friends. There’s something really important about that said in the scriptures. Jesus really wanted His disciples to be friends and I feel like as we walk with God we learn to marry one another as friends.

Laurie:

Part of that love is speaking the truth in love to one another. There’s an aspect of it that we are talking about with this fire. The positive side of that fire is at the moment you’re going through it you’re hearing this from those that love you because where do you get the wounds?

Deborah:

In the house of your friends.

Laurie:

Correct, it’s a sign you need to take that as a sign to you that you are not illegitimate child of the Lord and not a son. If you are walking through life and God is not touching areas of your life and you don’t have people speaking truth to you especially husbands and wives and in a family atmosphere and it is done in love. And I think if you look at this one scripture; “My son do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord nor faint when you’re punished by Him. For whom the Lord loves He disciplines. And He punishes every son whom He accepts. It is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you as with sons. For what son is there whom His father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline of which you have all become partakers then you are illegitimate children and not sons.” And so, I want to take the positive side of this. Because I know we have seen a brother or sister do something or say something and you pull them aside and you go hey you know that really wasn’t the right thing to do. And then they can take that and go before the Lord with it or however, they process that. But this fire that God has and that we are talking about is a very positive thing and we need that in our lives.

Ron:

Yeah, I would like to go back to what Jim was saying because this thing about friendship, I want to connect that with what Laurie was saying. In my mind and heart what the Lord is doing He’s is bringing forth a many membered-body. He is bringing forth His family. Although I believe that the Lord does deal with us through circumstances things like that. He does do that but I think as we progress in the Lord that becomes less and less. The real the things that deal with our spirits is from our brother and our sister. But see that is not going to happen unless we begin to develop the relationships of trust between us and like Jim was saying friendship. You just think about it, somebody comes up to you and crosses your will and you don’t know him from beans. You’re not really going to listen to that very readily, you’re not going to be open in your heart to that. It’s relationships with people that are filled with Christ, full of God, full of the Holy Spirit. They’re very special relationships that the Holy Spirit has created and those special relationships can minister discipline to one another, but I feel like as the body of Christ this is what we are reaching into is these deep, deep, deep relationships that we can be crossed by one another. And it is not going to be a blowout, no. You don’t blow out when your friend comes up to you and says to you Jim, that wasn’t quite right what you said. Because Jim knows my heart, he knows I have a love for him, and a brokenness and I am not being arrogant or trying to hurt him. So, that’s the type of relationship I think we are entering into.

Jim:

John: 15:12

Sandy:

The thing of trust verses the thing of judgment. Judgment has a bad connotation because basically, He is just purifying us. As we get more purified we can come into the trust more of one another and that oneness will start coming forth. Unless you have that trust you’re going to react and you are not going to open up to your brother. But as we come into the purification process if we let the Lord bring out the dross then we can open up more and actually start working in this thing that Christ wanted to put on the earth in the first place. And that’s where the church age has not done it. It’s either you’re sinning and you’re going to hell or you’re following all the rules or something. And that’s not what Christ wanted, He wanted the thing of trust to start growing in humanity.

Deborah:

The Lord takes us step by step. As a young child, you would not allow them to do certain things and you would discipline in one way. But as they grow, as they become more mature, as they come into a relationship of knowing and trusting the Lord. Being able to know who the Lord is, who others are being able to trust them. Then they are able to open up more, and as they open up more the Lord brings different things to their; brings the dross up, and as the dross comes up because they trust in the relationship that they have, that have been developed for over a period of time; it doesn’t become the issue. It becomes a thing that you just skim off the top and you become pure before the Lord. You know, it is step by step by step that you walk with the Lord.

Laurie:

Ok, I just wanted to tie what Ron and what I said and what the others have been saying, is that this lifestyle is a choice. Not everyone; that there are different levels of walking with God at different depths. And we’re talking about becoming sons and becoming all in, a hundred percent disciples and that is what ties altogether. You an individual Christian need to come to the place in your heart where you desire and choose this.

Ron:

There are so many dwelling places in the Kingdom of God and it is interesting because one of the places of division that has been huge is people think, well I believe this way and this way is higher and this way is more. And so, what Laurie is saying, He goes what we are holding up here is a very high standard. It is called Sonship. But guess what? You may be starting out or you may have walked with the Lord ten years but you're just not there, your hearts not there. You know, God hasn’t brought you to that place and that is okay. That is fine your not less of a person, you’re not less before the Lord. He doesn’t look at you: you don’t look at your child, your two-year-old, and put him down because he can’t do what your eighteen-year-old can do. You’re loved just as much. There is no putdown. See and that is the subtle thing that tries to come in when you start speaking things of Sonship, and resurrection life, and all these things that we are talking about. It’s not a put-down if you’re not there. It’s fine, in fact, one of our great mentors told us, when you hear stuff and it just doesn’t click with you, you are just not there. Don’t throw it away just put it on your spiritual shelf. And the Holy Spirit will bring it to you when it’s time for you. You’re fine where you are at.

Sandy:

I was just thinking in my house there are many dwelling places. And you can choose where you want to dwell. It doesn’t matter once you accept the Lord, you’re going to heaven. And if somebody wants to be there and just accept the Lord. That’s their choice. It is not the choice I would make because I am not them. Yeah, and so there is no judgment in it or anything but if you choose to really become a mature son of God, these are the steps that you need to go.

Ron: Well family, today we’ve seen that the love, discipline, and maturity comes through these deep love relationships in the Father’s family. We’ve also seen that in our Father’s house, there are many dwelling places, many levels to live on. The question is, which level will you choose?