Shownotes
Simon Millington from Golf Brands Incorporated joins the host for a candid discussion on the future of brick-and-mortar golf shops in an increasingly digital marketplace. Millington emphasizes the unique value of independent retailers, highlighting the superior customer service they provide compared to larger chain stores. The conversation delves into the challenges faced by smaller shops, particularly in competing with giants like Golf Galaxy and PGA Superstore, while also touching on the importance of personalized service in the golf industry. Additionally, they explore the complexities of golf club fitting, where Millington argues that fitting should account for a golfer's physicality rather than just their swing on a bad day. The episode wraps up with light-hearted questions about golfing heroes, historical figures, and Millington's message to the world: to simply be happy.
Delving into the intricacies of the golf retail landscape, Simon Millington from Golf Brands Incorporated articulates a fervent defense of independent golf retailers during a candid conversation. He contrasts the personal, tailored experiences offered by local mom-and-pop stores with the impersonal nature of larger chains such as Golf Galaxy and PGA Superstore. Millington's nostalgic anecdotes about visiting local sports shops as a child resonate with the importance of community connections in retail. He underscores the exceptional service that independent retailers can provide, which often leads to customer loyalty and satisfaction. Millington's hope for the future is clear: he advocates for these smaller retailers to not only survive but flourish by harnessing their unique strengths in personalized service and deep product knowledge.
The discussion takes a compelling turn as Millington shares his expertise on golf club fitting, critiquing the industry’s reliance on technology-driven fittings that may not accurately reflect a golfer's true abilities. He warns against the dangers of fitting clubs based on a single day’s performance, suggesting that it is essential for golfers to first refine their skills through lessons before investing in equipment. Millington passionately argues that the focus should be on the golfer's physicality and swing mechanics, rather than just data points from fitting sessions. He presents a refreshing perspective that encourages golfers to seek proper instruction and avoid the common pitfalls associated with ill-advised fittings, thereby fostering a more educated approach to equipment purchasing.
As the conversation evolves, the topic shifts towards significant industry changes, including the debate over rolling back golf balls and equipment regulations. Millington acknowledges the challenges posed by modern advancements in golf technology that allow players to achieve unprecedented distances. He raises concerns about the implications this has for course design and the overall challenge of the game, suggesting that while innovation is vital, it shouldn’t come at the cost of the sport's integrity. Millington's insights culminate in a call for thoughtful governance of golf equipment standards, emphasizing that the game should continue to challenge players, making it a true test of skill and strategy rather than merely a contest of power.
Takeaways:
- Simon Millington emphasizes the unique service and expertise offered by independent golf retailers compared to large chain stores.
- He expresses hope for the survival and growth of independent golf shops amidst online competition.
- Millington advocates for a fitting process that considers a golfer's physicality rather than just their swing mechanics.
- He believes that the golf ball should be governed to ensure a more challenging experience for professional players.
- The discussion highlights the need for golf courses to adapt to modern play styles without compromising their integrity.
- Millington suggests that amateur golfers should be allowed more than 14 clubs in their bags to enhance their game.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Painted Hills Natural Beef
- Golf Brands Incorporated
- Dicks
- Golf Galaxy
- PGA Superstore
- Golf Tech
- Golf Smith
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Transcripts
Welcome to Grilling at the Green After Hours.
Host:The conversation that took place after the show ended.
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Host:Welcome back to Grilling at the Green.
Host:Or I should say, welcome to After Hours.
Host:I kind of tricked Simon into this part, so he might forgive me for this, but joking.
Host:We've talked with Simon Millington from Golf Brands Incorporated in Henderson, Nevada.
Host:One thing I didn't get to in the regular show, Simon, was do you think the brick and mortar golf businesses, I mean, you've got big ones, you've got dicks and you've got Golf Galaxy, you've got the PGA Superstore.
Host:You know, I can go on a little bit there, but do you think the smaller brick and mortar, if you will, the mom and pops are going to survive because so many people can do business off the Internet?
Simon Millington:Yeah, I think it's quite interesting because there's one big group that has about 70 stores with all stats as the sort of the lead of those.
Simon Millington:And, and you know, they're like a group, a buying group of individual stores.
Simon Millington:So they're really an interesting group.
Simon Millington:I mean, the one thing I would say is, you know, and it would go back to going to when I was a kid, you know, sport obsessed, going into this local sports shop where the guy owned.
Simon Millington:It was the guy in the shop.
Simon Millington:And I love that place.
Simon Millington:I knew it like the back of my hand.
Simon Millington:I mean, it was, you know, it was fantastic.
Simon Millington:And I still think you get from an independent retailer and I hope they do continue in business because you get a different level of service to me, you know, you know, the way I feel when I go in there.
Simon Millington:It's like you go and talk to an independent guy, you probably talking to the guy who owns the shop, he really understands.
Simon Millington:When you go in some of these big box golf stores, you know, I'll walk in and they'll say, can I help you?
Simon Millington:And I really want to say, I think that's unlikely, but.
Simon Millington:But, you know, whereas you go in these smaller shops and, you know, I've taken before, you know, one time, you know, I've taken some clubs in to be repaired in, in some of these places, these big box ones.
Simon Millington:And I mean, like, it's embarrassing to see the work that comes out of some of them and stuff like that.
Simon Millington:Whereas I Think if you go to your local guy, there's a guy who's perhaps been doing it for 25 years, and he knows what he's doing, and he's.
Simon Millington:And he's an expert, and I think so.
Simon Millington:I really hope that those.
Simon Millington:Those independents do survive and even thrive, you know, and be kind of brave enough to go and open and compete against these big guys.
Simon Millington:Because to me, I'd much rather go in a smaller golf store that's got the same stuff in, but packed and you're getting a hands that you're talking to a real good golf guy as opposed to a shop assistant.
Simon Millington:And, you know, it's.
Simon Millington:That's what I hope, you know, So I really hope that they thrive.
Simon Millington:And it's.
Simon Millington:I mean, does it die out?
Simon Millington:Because people are not going to be brave enough necessarily to open a golf store in the same town that there's a Golf Galaxy or a PGA Tour Superstore, you know, maybe.
Simon Millington:But I really.
Simon Millington:I certainly hope that they survive and.
Host:Thrive, you know, you know, where I live.
Host:Simon It's a little.
Host:It's a little weird anyway.
Host:The artist is always the saying, like, keep Oregon weird.
Host:But we have a Golf Galaxy.
Host:We have Dicks, of course, and they're kind of one and the same.
Host:We've got golf tech and that.
Host:But when we had.
Host:What was the big.
Host:Yeah, Golf Smith.
Host:Thank you.
Host:I had a little brain fade there.
Host:They went out and we actually saw a couple of local stores, one in.
Host:In Portland that is owned by three friends.
Host:I'm.
Host:They're all in their 30s and 40s.
Host:They're very assertive, and they took that from a little hole in the wall store that was basically a repair place from years ago.
Host:The guy got tired, they bought the thing.
Host:And they're.
Host:They're booming.
Host:You know, they're actually booming because of the customer service that you spoke of.
Host:And I think that is so important.
Host:And even the pro shops at the clubs, I've noticed that the pro shops have shrunk their inventory a little bit because it's hard for them to compete.
Host:I think pro shops.
Host:And you could tell me this.
Host:Did pro shops always work on a little higher margin than the mom and pops?
Simon Millington:I mean, possibly.
Simon Millington:I think part of it is, you know, essentially that golf pros or the golf.
Simon Millington:That sort of golf course thing is, I think it's an easy way out to just not do.
Simon Millington:I mean, there's map pricing.
Simon Millington:You know, the pricing's pretty fixed on the golf industry.
Simon Millington:You know, it's by the manufacturers.
Simon Millington:And I Think, you know, to me, the golf pros have got it the easiest of everybody and I'm not knocking golf pros at this point, but you know, if you like, they, they have a captive audience, they're giving lessons.
Simon Millington:I mean, if you really want to work hard and be in, particularly in the clubs, you know, they'll do clothing and the soft goods and that's it.
Simon Millington:But they kind of gave up a little bit.
Simon Millington:I think custom fits help bring some of that back.
Simon Millington:But I do think, you know, you've got to, you've got to be able to say, if I'm teaching you to play golf, I really want to make sure that I should be the one selling you golf clubs and conversely the golfers.
Simon Millington:I would tell a golfer, if you're going to buy a set of golf clubs that you want to try and stuff, go and do it with a golf pro with a lesson to make sure if that's what you're going to do as opposed to going into a big box retailer.
Simon Millington:I'd go and have somebody because I've talked at length with people about this is how do you fit somebody?
Simon Millington:So people going for a fitting, but they get fitted by perhaps not an expert, but maybe good.
Simon Millington:Let's, let's assume they're, they're good at it.
Simon Millington:But if you put a bad swing on, they're going to fit you for that bad swing now.
Simon Millington:And it's happened.
Simon Millington:I've seen people come back from major manufacturers with terrible fittings because they've gone, they're, you know, then when that, you know, one came back from, with a 4 degree upright set of irons because he came over the top of it when he was nervous.
Simon Millington:That was his bad swings.
Simon Millington:He got fitted for that.
Simon Millington:Now I think you should fit for the, for the golfer's physicality.
Simon Millington:It's like, you know, I'm six foot four, so I'm, I'm plus three quarters of an inch.
Simon Millington:I'm one degree upright, stiff, right?
Simon Millington:I'm, that's it, I know what I need.
Simon Millington:And I think, you know, the problem is people get fitted by people who don't necessarily know about their golf swing, but they can look at a computer and say, well this is, you hit this one better.
Simon Millington:But it doesn't necessarily translate into that golf swing of the day.
Simon Millington:And so I think I'm a great believer in fitting people correctly and saying to them, look, get fitted, prop, get, get this, this is what you should actually we build the clubs for, then have some lessons, spend the, spend the savings with us on lessons, you're going to be a better golfer.
Simon Millington:You know, when you see people spending, you know, beginners spending $3,000 on a set of golf clubs, it's like, spend $500 and two and a half thousand dollars on lesson, I guarantee you can be a better player.
Host:Yeah, it's funny that you say that, because I had a friend who shall remain nameless, but he, he's a golf pro and all that, and he gets, you know, he's on one of the major brands, pro lists.
Host:You know, they, he.
Host:That's what he sells in his, through his, through his website, through his lessons and all that.
Host:And I had never hit a golf ball in front of him before, and he was like, well, come on down.
Host:I'm going to bring some clubs up, meet you at the range, and we're going to do this.
Host:So he comes in with this bag of clubs and it looks like something out of Caddyshack, you know, it's like just full stuff.
Host:And he goes, well, hit this one and then hit this one.
Host:And he's changing the heads and all this.
Host:And, and it actually kind of made me nervous.
Host:And Simon, I'm skulling balls right and left, you know, and I'm.
Host:I'm not getting him more than, you know, 20ft off the ground or something because he made me nervous.
Host:He's a nice guy and I like him, but he made me nervous as hell.
Host:And I'm out there doing this and he goes, well, and he's taking notes and all this, and it's like, dude, this is not the way I hit my golf ball all the time.
Simon Millington:Yeah.
Simon Millington:You know, but that's it.
Simon Millington:That's what you don't need to be fitted for.
Host:Right.
Simon Millington:That's on that bad day that sort of say it's like fit you for what you actually need is like, you know, let's, you know, I'm all for swing speed and, you know, getting the shaft right.
Simon Millington:You know, you get your.
Simon Millington:How tall, you know, hand to wrist, wrist to floor measurements and all these parts of it, grip size.
Simon Millington:But that's really, I think, what you should build a golf club around.
Simon Millington:Not bad golf swings.
Simon Millington:You know, it's like if just spend some money on lessons and that the clubs are now right for you.
Simon Millington:Now get the golf swing right for, you know, if, if you're, if you're swinging that badly.
Simon Millington:I just don't think it's the answer to have golf clubs fitted for a bad swing.
Host:You know, I agree with you and I'll Tell you something else, of all the people I've had on the show, and we've been doing this show for what, seven years now or something, you're the first person that ever said that.
Host:Even all the fitting people I've had on over the years, and I like them all, they're great people.
Host:I played golf with some of them.
Host:It's a lot of fun.
Host:But you're the person that ever said about the fitting and having a bad day, or maybe the person being nervous.
Host:They've, they've never, they've never addressed that.
Host:So kudos to you.
Simon Millington:It's what they do, right?
Simon Millington:And it's how they sell it.
Simon Millington:But like I say, from my perspective, it's just, it just doesn't make sense.
Simon Millington:And I've, I've seen the horror stories that come with it.
Simon Millington:And I don't think you get a horror story when you go, these clubs are right for your height.
Simon Millington:You know, we sponsored for a number of years and he's a great friend of mine, Ian Woozner.
Simon Millington:Now he's five foot four.
Simon Millington:He's not easy to fit, you know, so he's five foot four, he has a, you know, three degrees flat.
Simon Millington:He's, you know, and hits it as good as anybody you'll ever see.
Simon Millington:But, you know, you every, you, you've got to fit him for physicality, you know, it's like there's no good if he puts a bad swing on and going, you need a one degree upright.
Simon Millington:He's a three degree flat guy, you know, and you gotta sort of work on that physical attribute first and is set up to get that right, you know, versus, oh, well, the, you know, it's, you know, this is what the computer says.
Simon Millington:Well, I honestly don't care what the computer says because that's like you say, you just, even if you stand in front of the golf pro and you're topping it and he goes, all right, he's writing notes.
Simon Millington:It's like, yeah, the note should say, let's get some lessons before we get the clubs.
Host:Right, right, right.
Host:So that's, that's all good with all the, A couple of personal comments here from you perhaps.
Host:And then we'll do a, I promise we'll do a couple, three fun, fun questions that I put people on the spot with, just make them think the changes in the golf world, especially the changes, you know, there are big discussions over the years about, you know, roll back the ball, roll back the head, dimensions on the drivers, you know, so on and so on and so on kind of give us your overview on all those things because you're a man that's right in the middle of it.
Simon Millington:Yeah, listen, I, I actually fully understand both sides of it.
Simon Millington:I understand the industry saying we're trying to make it better, more fun for the average golfer.
Simon Millington:I also understand that, you know, if you look at the tour, the golf courses that have been played on tour are becoming not fit for purpose.
Simon Millington:Now.
Simon Millington:I was up, I went and played in Scotland last year and you know, you play St.
Simon Millington:Andrews, it's an Andrew.
Simon Millington:So it's fantastic to go there and play golf.
Simon Millington:I recommend anybody to do it.
Simon Millington:Is it a great golf course now at 6,400 yards off the tips?
Simon Millington:No, it's not.
Simon Millington:You know, wind makes it interesting, but it's not a challenging links golf course.
Simon Millington:You know, you go and play carnousity down the road, that's still fit for it.
Simon Millington:Right.
Simon Millington:But St.
Simon Millington:Andrews isn't.
Simon Millington:And golf courses can't evolve like Augusta does where they'll buy a lump of land and they'll build the whole sudden he's, you know, 50 yards longer and, you know, they, they keep toughing their golf course.
Simon Millington:And actually Wussy was a great one.
Simon Millington:He was a great believer in the ball needed some adjustment.
Simon Millington:And what he talked about, which was quite interesting, is not rolling back the ball in terms of distance, but stopping the fact, making the ball spin more so that if you want to try and hit it really hard and drive a green like you see Rory Drive a 400 yard green, right, you can do that, but the ball is going to spin more, so you get more side spin.
Simon Millington:Now the ball is going to go.
Simon Millington:If you miss it, it's going to be worse.
Simon Millington:Because golf balls now, you know, they go straighter as well, you know, so that was quite an interesting view on if, you know, it would take a lot of governing, certainly in tall level.
Simon Millington:But I do think it needs to be governed.
Simon Millington:I think the golf ball is the easy, you know, they govern the drivers, you know, to an extent, you know, the.
Simon Millington:Well, people might try and work around it.
Simon Millington:It's largely governed, but I don't think, you know, it's, it's.
Simon Millington:And I think really we're talking about the professional game.
Simon Millington:I don't think for the, you know, that we're going to see massive changes for the consumer.
Simon Millington:Right.
Simon Millington:But I think for the professional game, you know, can you have, can you have golf courses that people are driving par fours and you know, pi5 is a driver wedge and stuff like that, you know, they become poor events for that.
Simon Millington:You know, when you see the great courses, when you see them playing at Sawgrass or a Bay Hill, you know, or you go and see open courses and stuff like that, they're proper golf courses and they're remain a great challenge.
Simon Millington:But if you, if you.
Simon Millington:So many of these other tour events and you see people shooting 30 under and I know it doesn't necessarily matter and it might still be good for the audience, but aren't the tournaments like Sawgrass and Bay Hill better when you've got tougher holes and you've got more chance?
Simon Millington:You know, if somebody's got a three shot leader at some of these courses, you go, well, they're going to win because there's nothing they can't, you know, to drop three shots in the last three hours, they're too easy for them, you know, whereas you go and see those really great courses, you know, Augusta always has that, you know, when you come through 13 and 15 and 16, you know, it's an easy par three, but, you know, suddenly it gets hooked in the water, you know, and then, you know, 18 is a fantastic finishing hole, you know that, you know, when you stand on that back to Augusta, it's so narrow and it's so, you know, and so.
Simon Millington:But there's not courses like that enough and so.
Simon Millington:And you can't, you know, you know, I see your background being sheep ranch, you know, when that blows up there, that's, you know, these golf courses, you know, but they're built for sort of modern day, you know, I call them like a modern day links golf course, you know, the modern day taking.
Simon Millington:It's, you know, but the wind can make that a whole different game up there, you know, so.
Host:Yeah, I always thought, excuse me, at Augusta, instead of calling it Amen Corner, they should have called it holy.
Host:I mean, fill in your own adjective after that.
Simon Millington:I mean, I was lucky.
Simon Millington:I caddied for woozy and two Masters.
Simon Millington:And when you come down to that corner, I mean, it's quite surreal down there because it gets kind of quite.
Simon Millington:When you come 11 is so difficult and it's such a difficult hole.
Simon Millington:And then 12 kind of you stand there and look and go really that hard?
Simon Millington:But it's so narrow the green and then 13 is like the quietest part, you know, 12th green and 13 is so quiet because there's no spectators.
Simon Millington:It's, it's, it's kind of bizarre there, you know, so it's just, yeah, you know, that, that golf course, it can produce so much you know, if you've got a four shot lead, five shot, you saw Faldo take Greg Norman down that time.
Simon Millington:You know, there's not enough of a lead to feel comfortable as you come in that back nine.
Host:Right.
Host:So quick question though.
Host:If you were, if you were caddying for Woozy, did the coveralls fit you down there?
Simon Millington:They were.
Simon Millington:They, I've got to say they did.
Simon Millington:They were a bit tricky to get across over the shoulders with the button up thing.
Simon Millington:So I had to have a bit of a lucky.
Simon Millington:Luckily, yeah, it was, it was quite surreal.
Simon Millington:But it was an incredible experience.
Simon Millington:But, yeah, I did have, I did have to have help.
Simon Millington:It wasn't so much getting them on, it was getting them off was the job.
Host:Yeah, I bet, I bet.
Host:Okay, a couple fun questions for you here, Simon.
Host:If you could play a round of golf with one of your golfing heroes, they can be alive or not, who would it be?
Host:Sebi, that would be fun.
Host:Yeah, I think that would just be really, really fun.
Host:And if you could dine with a historical figure, who would it be and what would be on the menu?
Host:And I would come cook for you if you wanted.
Host:But the point is, who would the historical figure be and what would be on the menu?
Simon Millington:Does he have to be a golfer or anybody?
Host:No, anybody.
Host:Anybody.
Simon Millington:Do you know, I think it'd be Winston Churchill.
Simon Millington:He loved drinking champagne and I think that, I think I'd be okay with that.
Simon Millington:And he looks, he looked like he, you know, enjoyed a good meal.
Simon Millington:So.
Host:Yeah, I heard something the other day.
Host:I don't know if it's true or not.
Host:And I actually saw it in a, in a TV show, so it could have just been made up.
Host:But, you know, when Churchill was back in the war and stuff and he'd have his cigars and he'd have that big long ash on it.
Host:And what he did is he took a hat pin and stuck it in the cigar.
Host:And so people were always thinking that the ash would fall or when it would fall, and it never fell like that.
Host:I never knew that.
Simon Millington:Yeah, I kept the focus on him because they'd look at, they'd stare at his cigar so they'd listen to him.
Host:Yeah, that's brilliant, that, that's, that's brilliant.
Host:If you could erase one mistake from your past, what would it be, if any.
Simon Millington:Oh, that's a good question, isn't it?
Simon Millington:What would it be?
Simon Millington:I don't know.
Simon Millington:I kind of don't.
Simon Millington:I'm not.
Simon Millington:Somebody kind of looks in the rearview mirror Really, I don't have, I don't have too many regrets.
Simon Millington:You know, it's like, you know, the, you know, like if you, you know, from a business perspective, you know, you have.
Simon Millington:Things go wrong and bad things happen, but you kind of, if you learn from them, I kind of think that's part of life.
Simon Millington:Right, sure.
Simon Millington:You know, probably do.
Simon Millington:I wish I'd done stuff earlier than I did.
Simon Millington:You know, I wish if I'd known about going out to, you know, getting Brad just.
Simon Millington:I don't know.
Simon Millington:Yeah, I mean, it's kind of.
Simon Millington:I'm just not somebody really with a ton of regrets.
Simon Millington:Yeah.
Host:Yeah.
Host:Good.
Host:If you were declared supreme ruler of golf, the the edict came down from on high and Simon Millington is the supreme ruler of golf.
Host:For just one day though, what would you decree as supreme ruler of golf?
Simon Millington:Am I allowed two things?
Host:You're the supreme ruler.
Simon Millington:Right.
Simon Millington:Firstly, divots on the fairway you've all been in there is completely, utterly ridiculous.
Simon Millington:It's the ultimate ground under repair.
Simon Millington:So I would change the rule that if you are on the fairway, anywhere on the fairway, if you're on the short gas, you can pick place clean within 6 inches.
Simon Millington:You shouldn't have mud on your ball and you shouldn't be in a divot.
Simon Millington:It's ridiculous that you get punished for being in the middle of a fairway.
Simon Millington:That would be day one.
Simon Millington:This, the other thing I would do is I think we have an antiquate.
Simon Millington:This is from a manufacturing point of view, but also the golfers enjoyment.
Simon Millington:I think we have an antiquated rule that you're allowed 14 golf clubs in your bag.
Simon Millington:It goes back to.
Simon Millington:Used to be back in the day, it was 1, 2, 3, 4 woods.
Simon Millington:It was three to sand, iron and a putter.
Simon Millington:That was your 14 clubs.
Simon Millington:But now people have hybrids and they have lofted, you know, they have lofted wedges.
Simon Millington:They have, you know, they want, they want to hit a seven wood.
Simon Millington:They want to have these things.
Simon Millington:What does it matter in terms of that?
Simon Millington:And I don't care, you know, if they made it 15 or 16.
Simon Millington:Allow people instead of having to go, I've got to take my four hour, an hour, I've got to do, I've got to take a wedge out or I want to hit, you know, I need this and just let people.
Simon Millington:What does it matter if people have more than 14 clubs?
Simon Millington:I mean, obviously the conversation, you know, that people would always go back to Ian Woozner, I keep mentioning there, but obviously he famously had 15 and lost two shots in the Open.
Simon Millington:But I honestly don't.
Simon Millington:I think if I say, in answer to your question, if that was it, I would say, hey, right, let's add a couple of clubs that you let.
Simon Millington:You don't need to take anything out your bag to want to be a better golfer, you know, and have more fun.
Host:I would say, especially, I mean, if they want to keep that rule for the pros, I don't have a problem with it.
Host:But for the amateur players, the regular weekend warrior guys, have at it.
Simon Millington:Yeah, but even the, you know, even the pros, and I do agree with you, but even the pros, I mean, why is it 14 clubs?
Simon Millington:I mean, literally, why, you know, I mean, and if the pros, they've still got to execute the shot, right?
Simon Millington:You know, so.
Simon Millington:And if they, I think it makes it more interesting if you've got, you know, like Nicholson used to carry two drivers, right?
Simon Millington:You know, you'd have a small headed one and stuff like that.
Simon Millington:Makes it interesting.
Host:Yeah, absolutely.
Host:A couple more here, Simon, and then we'll, we'll release you from your bonds here.
Host:If we put your skills to music, what would the music be?
Simon Millington:Oh, my.
Simon Millington:This is some good questions.
Simon Millington:What would it, what would it be in a song?
Simon Millington:I don't know.
Simon Millington:I can't honestly think.
Simon Millington:Oh, just trying to think.
Simon Millington:Oh, yes, let's go my way.
Simon Millington:Let's do a bit of Frank Sinatra.
Host:Okay.
Host:All right.
Host:Very good, Very good.
Host:Here's one that I think will make you scratch your head.
Host:What would your last meal be on death row?
Simon Millington:Oh, is it just the main course?
Simon Millington:Are we talking whatever you want, food guy.
Host:Yeah, whatever you want, I think.
Simon Millington:Well, I.
Simon Millington:I'm gonna have to go Cajun ribeye with some lobster, my man.
Host:That is good.
Host:That is good.
Host:That is good.
Host:Last question here.
Host:This is your opportunity.
Host:What would Simon Millington's message to the world be?
Simon Millington:Be happy.
Simon Millington:Just be happy.
Simon Millington:You know, and, and, you know, you look at it, you know, there's so much sad, you know, people, there's such terrible things like this, you know, it just.
Simon Millington:I know, like I said, I'm a bit.
Simon Millington:I don't look backwards, just look forwards.
Simon Millington:Be happy.
Host:Battery.
Host:There you go.
Host:Simon Millington from Golf Brands Inc.
Host:Danner Henderson.
Host:You can find them all over the web.
Host:Thanks for taking the time to be with us here.
Simon Millington:Thank you for having me.
Simon Millington:No problem.
Host:We'll be back next week with another edition of Grilling at the Green After Hours.
Host:Until then for Simon and myself.
Host:Go out, play some golf.
Host:Smile and have some fun.
Host:Take care, everybody.
