Use of the fixed stars has taken a back seat to planets and signs in modern astrology despite being part of the core framework of ancient astrological practice. Tarot reader, actor and historical interpreter Silverius Materi joins the podcast to answer the question, What is the role of fixed stars in astrology, and how does one get started working with them?

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Kyle Pierce: 00:00:05

Hello, you're listening to astrology hotline. I'm Kyle Pierce and joining me today is my friend, Silvarius Materi. He's a Historical Interpreter, actor and Tarot genius, among other

Silvarius Materi: 00:00:22

I'm good. I'm good. How are you?

Kyle Pierce: 00:00:24

I'm doing great. Welcome to the podcast.

Silvarius Materi: 00:00:27

Thank you. I'm I'm really excited to be on I've listened to a lot and and been we've been getting to know each other. So I'm excited to be on I was really glad you asked.

Kyle Pierce: 00:00:37

We Yeah, we've been on for our Discord group. three of wands, we've been hosting a deck and crawl together. And it's been pretty awesome. So you know if listeners want to learn about the

Unknown: 00:00:56

Yeah, we try to fit it into a Tuesday within the deck. And so sometimes it's every week, or sometimes it's like there's a break in between, but pretty consistently, it's been every Tuesday.

Kyle Pierce: 00:01:06

Yeah, yeah. Three, three Tuesday's a month, roughly.

Silvarius Materi: 00:01:10

Yeah, that's good. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce: 00:01:14

Yeah. But so do you want to just tell us a little bit about yourself what you do?

Silvarius Materi: 00:01:18

Yeah. So I think the way that I often put it is the thing that unifies all those things that you said kind of at the beginning when you introduced me was that I'm an interpreter. So

Silvarius Materi: 00:02:26

unify everything I do.

Kyle Pierce: 00:02:28

So it's like almost exactly how I felt about astrology. When I started getting really into it was like, Oh, my God, this like, unifies everything that I'm interested in into like one

Unknown: 00:02:45

yep. Yeah, totally. symbols have always been a thing that I've been interested in to.

Kyle Pierce: 00:02:50

Well, yeah. Do we want to dig into our our question for today? Let's go for it comes from Tristan. And he asks, what is the role of fixed stars in astrology? And how does one get

Silvarius Materi: 00:03:33

I've been studying them pretty in depth this last year, and they've they've taken over my, my like, my brain space a little bit. So I have a lot to think about them and to say about

Kyle Pierce: 00:04:01

yeah. Totally. Should we maybe start with a definition maybe of what Tech Stars are? Yeah.

Unknown: 00:04:09

I guess the best way to put it is that like when, you know, ancient people looked up at the sky and they saw the planets those were like the wandering stars right, because from night to night,

Kyle Pierce: 00:05:05

yeah, yeah. Yeah, I, I always really loved the term wandering stars, planets. I guess nowadays, you know, we have so much more knowledge of like, what those what those dots in the sky

Silvarius Materi: 00:05:39

like I'm not sure I'm not sure how far back like I don't I'm not I'm not really knowledgeable about at what point people realized oh, that's a totally different thing that probably

Kyle Pierce: 00:06:12

Yeah, yeah. That's what I regret so much about living in a an urban area is that you know, I read about the fact that like certain fixed stars have colors I wouldn't know but I one time

Unknown: 00:06:46

There are some that you can see you I don't want to dive too far into naming stars right away. Oh, yeah. There's a couple of like I've once you become aware of it, you can you sometimes can

Kyle Pierce: 00:07:29

it. Yeah. Like I was just looking at Moroccan even was one of the Bohemian ones. Right? We'll get that later.

Unknown: 00:07:39

So Al Qaeda is which is in the in the same constellation. But I don't know that miracIe

Kyle Pierce: 00:07:45

a crab? Crab? Maybe that's what I'm thinking? Oh,

Unknown: 00:07:49

yes. Sometimes I can get a little fuzzy on like, what is in the list of the stars versus what's not? Because sometimes people add stuff. And

Kyle Pierce: 00:07:55

yeah, the thing is, there was like 10,000 visible stars in the sky, something like that. Yeah, I

Unknown: 00:08:04

yeah, I would believe it like I, I am pretty particular. Lots of people will only focus on fixed stars if there are a certain brightness or like above a certain brightness. But yeah, what

Kyle Pierce: 00:08:30

Yeah. Well, that's something I think you get into when you start studying the fixed stars. It's like which ones matter? Which ones do you do you use? And it seems like there's a good

Unknown: 00:09:01

Something like that. Yeah. And those are definitely based on how bright they are. I am a bit of a proponent of the dimmer stars only because I think that they all have at least somewhat of

Kyle Pierce: 00:09:28

I, I'm like, give me the ones that do stuff like, but I feel like as the more I've gotten into it and more tech talk to you about them as well. I'm like, wow, there's actually

Unknown: 00:10:05

system. Yeah, like the planets were the offing it's kind of spheres of their own right. So there would be like, Venus would have her own sphere, and it would go out to Saturn, they each have

Kyle Pierce: 00:10:46

the idea was that, like, if you're a soul, right, and you're going to come down to earth, you have to send through the spheres, and you sort of go through each one. But then when you

Unknown: 00:11:31

totally. And I think that's because, you know, the planets have their own mythologies. In every culture right there. Some of them are similar, but each planet is is representative,

Kyle Pierce: 00:12:25

It's more big stories you have to live out to Yeah. Sometimes I wonder how much you really, really want the fixed stars and the planets and all that involved in your life? Yeah, sounds

Unknown: 00:12:44

Yeah, totally, the easier your life will be because you kind of maybe get to make your own, you know, make your own decisions, or you don't have the the theme influence. Yeah, you know,

Unknown: 00:13:43

better, where the stars are more alien and more. Like, they just, they don't, they don't necessarily speak the same language we do. So they can, if you have a lot of them in your chart, there's this

Kyle Pierce: 00:14:06

And I didn't collect like a ton of examples. But you'll see with people who have like, just a ton of fixed our energies, you know, they are these kind of larger than life characters.

Kyle Pierce: 00:15:16

talk a little bit about, is what twin it's each size about 2500 years.

Unknown: 00:15:22

Yeah, like that one is what I didn't think about before we started adding I remember, but yeah, the stars will shift but very, very, very, yeah. Right. So they're, they're in a different

Kyle Pierce: 00:15:45

Yeah. But at some point, we did figure that out. And there's a lot of mythology built around, just the very slow, there's a story around the sine of the constellation of Virgo, and it's

Unknown: 00:16:08

um, I'm not as familiar with that one with Virgo. But like, I would imagine, it's a similar story of a lot of a lot of times, underworld gods in various world mythologies are related to

Kyle Pierce: 00:16:59

Yeah. When you can imagine being an ancient person who's looking up at the sky and like wondering what it's all about, right? And you maybe have learned through the knowledge that's passed

Unknown: 00:17:35

Yeah, like, it seems this seems silly to say. But once you realize that, scientifically, it's just the that the Earth wobbles like that it's not perfectly, the orbit isn't perfect. It that

Kyle Pierce: 00:18:22

yeah, well, that's a, I think one of the keys maybe to to makes it kind of easy to differentiate from the planets. But I think especially if you practice tropical, astrology with

Kyle Pierce: 00:19:29

originally sort of defined in part by the Zodiac, yeah. are sort of an abstraction of the Zodiac because of the constellations excuse me, because even the constellations aren't divided into 12

Unknown: 00:19:51

like, it's the idea that you know, originally the, the Zodiac and the cycle of light lined up Right, so that the solstice, the spring solstice was always when the sun rose on a certain day.

Unknown: 00:21:04

signs of the zodiac. Yeah. So that gets weird.

Kyle Pierce: 00:21:07

Yeah, the way I reconcile it in my mind, is that, like, the signs, you're using the tropical zodiac? are, they're rooted in the equinoctial points of the Yeah, the rotation of the

Unknown: 00:21:49

It's almost like I don't know if this is a perfect analogy, but the idea of like, the constellations being on, or at least the the constellations that are on the ecliptic, like on a band

Kyle Pierce: 00:22:30

like that. Yeah. But even if you wanted to stick with this idea of your zodiac, you're still not getting a Zodiac that lines up perfectly with the constellations like Virgo is this big

Unknown: 00:22:56

and that, like, Scorpio used to be way bigger and used to encompass all of Libra, right, whereas now Libra has been cut into a sign of its own, the stars of Libra were for a long time the

Kyle Pierce: 00:23:23

Yeah. Well, so I guess with like all that in mind when you're looking at the fixed stars, I like to just take the you know, the planet sign delineation that I give, almost separately,

Unknown: 00:24:01

Yes. Yeah. Like a really kind of simple example is in Bernadette Brady's what a burden everies books she gives the example of if you have Venus, you would think that Venus is a is

Kyle Pierce: 00:25:05

Loud. Yeah, it's I mean, you were saying earlier, I mean, we have our own star, the Sun, and our planets all derived their light from our star. So they're all rooted in our system, but

Unknown: 00:25:46

I think that's a perfect analogy. And I know that there are other people who are doing who are really leading the forefront of DexStar astrology for example, like Sasha ravage who we can kind

Unknown: 00:26:53

Well, to me, this is what is pleasurable, because it's any kind of experience. So I think that idea of an alien infusing itself into the planet or a lot. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce: 00:27:03

I love the Hellraiser analogy.

Unknown: 00:27:04

Yeah, I can't I can't take that one. That is totally Sasha's Yeah.

Kyle Pierce: 00:27:10

I should reiterate, it's not that, you know, Venus being the star is going to make it just not Venus anymore. It's still Venus. It's acting through Venus. But you could think of it as

Unknown: 00:27:35

Yeah. I don't know. Like one of the ways that I like to think about it when I've been thinking about fixed Mars conjunct planets or just in different like houses and things like that is

Unknown: 00:28:42

trying to think of like a kind of creep, you're one. But something that's going into the underworld, for example, you can draw on something like that instead, and say, this is more of a figure of Venus

Kyle Pierce: 00:28:57

Remind me when we talk about some of our favorite stars? To ask, what what are the creepy stars? I'm sure. Yeah, okay, so, let's see.

Unknown: 00:29:12

Do you want to talk at all about the like, how they can start could be found in the decades or do you want to move on do Oh, yeah,

Kyle Pierce: 00:29:19

yeah, let's talk about Yeah, I think I'm gonna go for

Unknown: 00:29:26

Midwest nice off right now. A lot of a lot of the idea in in more ancient cultures was that like stars were used to, to keep track of the decades right or, or potentially the hours of the

Unknown: 00:30:33

conditions off the farther away from the embankment so that the river could flood, right. Yeah. So they become associated with certain periods of time. They become associated with specific gods,

Kyle Pierce: 00:31:18

Yeah. Yeah, that's let's be serious. Serious is one that's like, pretty much stayed where it's at, though. Right. But that one is, like, kind of like a Muna procession to some degree

Unknown: 00:31:55

Yeah. And it's about in this I don't remember exactly what decorative cancer it's in, but it is still in one of in one cancers. I

Kyle Pierce: 00:32:01

can say it's mid, it's middle cancer. I think there's like some reason that Sirius because of where it is, like, See, they're not moving as fast or?

Unknown: 00:32:11

Yeah, it could be distance. It could also be, you know, some for some stars, like, especially the stars that are closer kind of more closer to the, like, Meridian. So near near the

Kyle Pierce: 00:32:35

I think that might be the case with Sirius, but

Unknown: 00:32:38

double check. Sirius is

Kyle Pierce: 00:32:42

key in cancer.

Unknown: 00:32:44

Yes, yeah, that's correct.

Kyle Pierce: 00:32:46

Yeah, um, with the deck ends, I think Austin in 30, Austin Copic and 36 faces had a really nice explanation for that is kind of like, the sort of houses kind of are these spaces that

Unknown: 00:33:19

Yeah, I think you can still see some remnants of this. Like, I don't want to speak too much of this because I'm not super well versed in Vedic Astrology necessarily, or Arabic astrology, but

Kyle Pierce: 00:34:01

today. Yeah. So, yeah, so I guess, you know, get a good sense of maybe what, what exactly fixed stars are. We should talk a little bit about how they are applied in astrology. You

Unknown: 00:34:46

Six stars that are like more famous than, than other

Kyle Pierce: 00:34:49

stars. Yeah, you get your your four royal fixed stars, which are Regulus BOMA halt. Yep. And tarries. Yep. and algebra one. That's right. And then you get your bikini and fixed stars,

Unknown: 00:35:43

which Yeah, they they come with gifts, but they're also traditionally said to come with sort of like expectations are not necessarily like not curses, but they have they have downfalls

Kyle Pierce: 00:36:05

Totally. Yeah. It's like if you're given the power of a god, you know, what, what does a human do with that? Normally? Yeah, definitely seems potential for more moral moral fatness. I

Unknown: 00:36:29

Yes, yeah. They were really particularly popular in medieval Europe, specifically for their magical properties or their magical capabilities. I have, I don't know exactly why they were those

Kyle Pierce: 00:37:23

Yeah. Which you get to talk to any longtime practitioner of astrological magic that will warn you to to be careful. Yeah, yes. Because they they do have a lot of power.

Unknown: 00:37:36

Yeah, you're trying to plug in to like, an electrical outlet, right?

Kyle Pierce: 00:37:41

Exactly. Like you're trying to hook up, you're climbing up onto a transformer and just trying to plug your totally plug your house into it. Yeah, you might want to have the right

Unknown: 00:37:55

need to know that, like, you have the proper channel of energy, that's not going to blow your house. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce: 00:38:02

And then there's devotional astrology. And you can tell us a little bit about that.

Unknown: 00:38:07

Yeah, I would say that that's, it's it's been an aspect of fixed star astrology. And I would say astrology in general for a very long time. But I think that's one of the ways that fixed

Unknown: 00:39:13

certain knowledge or have certain skills, if you develop that relationship with that person, they might be able to help you out of a sticky situation or be there to listen to you when you need them

Kyle Pierce: 00:40:11

Yeah, totally. I think it's, I mean, it's probably always a good place to start. Yeah, definitely a big difference between choosing a time to sort of meditate on the qualities of a planet

Unknown: 00:40:41

Or like going on a date? Yeah, with someone and the first time you're on a date with them. You're like, we're, here's a pre, you know, here's a priest or someone who's gonna marry us. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce: 00:41:02

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Sort of swiping through your, your Tinder profiles? Totally getting to know. Yeah, yeah, I

Unknown: 00:41:12

want that app, I want that app. So

Kyle Pierce: 00:41:16

I think we have a new business idea to talk about after the show. No, that's, um, I think that's a really good place to start to, if you're looking at potentially working with the

Unknown: 00:42:15

Absolutely. And from all different cultures, right? Like it's there. There's, it's, it is really easy to find ones from Greek mythology. But it's not just Greek mythology, you can you can

Kyle Pierce: 00:42:53

Once we get so interesting to when you're studying some of the lore behind each of the stars is you get almost like, we start to get like a cross cultural perspective. And you see the

Unknown: 00:43:16

Yeah. And sometimes they're super different. But lots of times there, there's a strange thread of something where you just seems like cultures, and maybe it's because of the color of the

Unknown: 00:44:28

lot of interest and things thrown at them. You can Yeah, especially if you think that might it like you have those aspects, or that mythology kind of showing up in your life. You can develop a

Kyle Pierce: 00:44:58

Oh, yeah. I mean it It's the difference between a bad date and a bad marriage. Right? Yes, exactly. Yeah. But I mean, I would say if you do have, maybe you have a close contact with a

Unknown: 00:45:33

Yeah, with stars, there's seems to be less hang up on on. Like, if the moon for example, usually you'll you'll do it you can communicate with a star when the Moon is conjunct, that stars

Kyle Pierce: 00:46:36

Yeah. Yeah, usually with a talisman. It's like you can almost let nasty should be happening elsewhere in the chart. But like is it's all focused on that planet. Yes. And you do want

Kyle Pierce: 00:47:47

close, particularly with aspects. It's like one degree. Yeah, that's what I've heard too much less the with less than a degree. With conjunctions you get? For the most part, I like to look at like a

Unknown: 00:48:15

too. Yeah, you can I even my own chart, I'll buy I paid attention to stars that are up to two degrees, but usually the ones that I'm most interested in are the ones that are within a degree

Kyle Pierce: 00:48:30

Yeah, I think, you know, two, or three for some of the stars is enough to like, have some of that stars story or like, yeah, it may not be like as front and center. But start with the

Unknown: 00:48:46

And some astrologers will only pay attention to stars on angles. So yeah, some may do the moon, some major the sun. But some people would say, you know, yeah, you can do start that's

Kyle Pierce: 00:49:07

Yeah. Yeah. And personally, I will really mainly pay attention to a conjunction. Yes, but if you see a star conjunct a planet, and on an angle. Oh, yeah. You got something there? Yeah.

Unknown: 00:49:32

Yes. Yeah, that's, yeah, it's a little trickier. It's like the full word. I always try to do some lovers print to long term. One to full Yeah, parental onta. People say differently. Like I

Unknown: 00:50:46

visible relationship, which means that they have a parental relationship.

Kyle Pierce: 00:50:49

Yeah, yeah. But it's they're rising at the same time or setting at the same time.

Unknown: 00:50:54

Yes, yeah. It can be like,

Kyle Pierce: 00:50:57

at the Yeah, at the midheaven or in a deer? Totally.

Unknown: 00:51:01

Yeah, those are the kind of four places that you want to pay attention to. So like, just to throw out an example. Like, let's say, mercury, is rising. So like just above the ascendant. And

Kyle Pierce: 00:51:46

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I think it was actually after talking about it with you that I sort of get into it a little more. And I started reading Bernadette Brady's book of fixed stars.

Unknown: 00:52:13

where I do it. Typically. Yeah. There's other software you can use. But that's like the best free software that you can find. Yeah, just

Kyle Pierce: 00:52:21

Castle church. Honestly, I found the Astra diensten more helpful than Yeah, then. Solar fire? Oh, good to know. Yeah. I think she actually was involved in with the website.

Unknown: 00:52:34

She was yeah, I believe she helped create that software or that yeah, the program. I think it's worthwhile saying that we talked about this at one point is that when you go to that there's a

Kyle Pierce: 00:53:22

Well, even in terms of which always have to do with astrology is like, identifying like order of importance. Yeah. Even Bernadette Brady and params is like her baby. Like kids will say

Unknown: 00:53:48

I think they give you different stuff, right? Like, I don't know if it's a like an example from my own chart is, I don't have anything in Virgo. But I'm pretty I'm a pretty organized

Kyle Pierce: 00:54:31

Yeah. So yeah, it's it's pretty interesting. I would recommend checking it out. Yeah, just well, I'll include a link in the show notes. But I guess maybe one thing to note, too, with the

Unknown: 00:55:01

Yeah, on your life. And like there are certain stars, specifically like the Hawaii Eagle rising and the Hawaii Eagle setting star, those stars might not actually have risen on your

Kyle Pierce: 00:55:48

I don't remember what mine was now. Go back. Yeah, I

Unknown: 00:55:53

don't think I have your chart anymore.

Kyle Pierce: 00:55:54

Yeah. Yeah, I think that covers grants though, right?

Unknown: 00:56:00

Oh, do? Maybe the only other thing is talking about the four. Like if you cast your branch, there'll be like, the four phases? Yeah. Yeah. Rising culmination stuff like that.

Kyle Pierce: 00:56:14

Yeah. And the way from Liberty presented it, it was kind of like if it's tied to your if it's a rising with your ascendant, it's prominent earlier in life and throughout your life. Yes.

Unknown: 00:56:27

That Yeah, usually, it's like your rising stars are often what are prominent in the early part of your life, lots of people say usually up until your first Saturn Return. The stars that are

Kyle Pierce: 00:57:19

Yeah, it was a interesting way of breaking things down because I was like, Yeah, and like certain patterns there was like, Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. It's definitely something

Unknown: 00:57:38

Yeah. And you can look at like, perfection, right? So if, like, if you're in a Mars year, you can look at like, what, what stars have a parental relationship with Mars, and maybe that star

Kyle Pierce: 00:58:08

Yeah. Do we want to talk a little bit about some pet favorite stars? Yeah.

Unknown: 00:58:14

I've already dropped their name a couple times. But speak I would say is my, my main one. That's the one that I'm most I think I feel the most in my life and that I have like a devotional

Kyle Pierce: 00:58:43

it's nice. Yeah. Yeah, it's

Unknown: 00:58:44

very gentle. Like it seems. It's it's the brightest star in Virgo. And a lot of people talk about how it is like, like, the it's them. The era of wheat that burger was holding in their their

Kyle Pierce: 00:59:13

Here like I don't have like, much pet favorites. I'm a big fan. I like BOMA Hall. It's it's a cool Star. I don't have any connections to form a hall. But of the Royal stars. It certainly

Unknown: 00:59:30

Yeah, that seems to be pretty common is like it's a really artistic star and yeah, it gives like a mystical wizard.

Kyle Pierce: 00:59:38

kind of vibe. Yeah. Very

Unknown: 00:59:39

Gandalf in some way. Yeah, that's right. I think the biggest danger like when we talked about the idea of downfall with that one is that like, you can start to buy into your own mysticism

Kyle Pierce: 01:00:09

that one's at, what four degrees? Pisces?

Unknown: 01:00:12

I don't know that one off the top of my head. I haven't started that one quite as much yet.

Kyle Pierce: 01:00:17

But where's speaker? Speakers at

Unknown: 01:00:21

about 2424 degrees of Libra. So actually, it's because Libra Yeah, today was today the moon was conjunct. Well, for me. Anyway, the moon was conjunct was condemned speaker so I did a

Kyle Pierce: 01:00:35

Yeah. Yeah. Nice to see i i know it's not anybody's favorite star, but it's the one fixed star that is. Seems to be tied to me. Yes. In some way. It's our goal. Yeah. Which I have

Kyle Pierce: 01:01:48

I'm misusing that word mundane, but like the day to day, I guess, goals. You see. People report like difficulty with technology, which I guess I do have some bad luck with sometimes. But it's what

Unknown: 01:02:02

Yes. Yeah, it's the name comes from like our goal comes from Ra's al Ghul, which is like the head of the demon or the head of the school from from Arabic StarLord. But it's the it is Medusa

Kyle Pierce: 01:02:47

got a pretty bad reputation. Yes. You're very many people saying that. It's that it's super benefic

Unknown: 01:02:54

I think if you're really interested in finding the the other side or like the non, you know, like Medusa is very wrapped and wrapped up in a very patriarchal myth. Oh, yeah. And so if

Unknown: 01:04:07

happening inside you that you need to like, feel like you need to purge and she she sees it as like a very artistic star as well. People who like need creative outlet to kind of you know, have a

Kyle Pierce: 01:04:23

that. Yeah. Yeah, I know, for myself if I don't, if I'm not creating something, doing something like it does become this, like thick stuck, kind of, yeah, like, heavy sort of energy.

Unknown: 01:05:09

don't I didn't pay too much attention to what the outcome of the trial was. Yeah, I don't I don't exactly remember.

Kyle Pierce: 01:05:19

But um, I know it's pretty tied into like, the myth of Lilith is well, just another female figure that steps away from the patriarchy in a sense. Yeah, like gods like, Hey, you're

Unknown: 01:05:40

Yeah. There's like a quality of being able to point out a flaw in the system and say, no, no, that sucks. Yeah, yeah. And it's wanting to dismantle it potentially, to

Kyle Pierce: 01:05:50

that. It's definitely one of the more consistent themes without goal. It's kind of like a wanting to just say fuck it to systems making a lot of systems, which I would say it's been. I

Unknown: 01:06:12

Yes, yeah. The same way that like, when, like in the Perseus myth, Athena, who's kind of one of, you know, purchases, patron goddesses, takes the head of Medusa to put on her shields to act

Kyle Pierce: 01:06:54

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I thought about this for a while, and I realized that I don't have I don't really have like an enemy. And actually, the few times I think that I had, like, someone

Unknown: 01:07:20

they just see this like snake guard dog. Like behind you, though. Oh, fuck, I don't want to do Yeah,

Kyle Pierce: 01:07:26

I'm just gonna be good for holding a mirror up to people. Like, here's your here's your bullshit. But I guess there is a certain amount of, you know, hiding in a cave that will offer you a

Unknown: 01:08:02

It? Like I would say, the, the kind of common conception of serious is that it's like this. It's this. It's a it's a dog, right? It's in Katie's major. And it is, like, I know that Austin

Unknown: 01:09:15

burn yourself away in the in the meantime,

Kyle Pierce: 01:09:19

it's interesting. I I guess it's gonna be a kind of a watch and see thing but my kid has the Moon and Jupiter conjunct serious Okay. Serious and it's funny because they'll for a while.

Unknown: 01:10:07

No, no, I would say it's not it. I don't think people cringe. If that's in your in your charter, or in your

Kyle Pierce: 01:10:16

Yeah. Yeah, it's a man. I'm forgetting what I read about it. But there's a lot of really good stuff, like different perspectives coming out, like for fixed? A lot of the fixed stars.

Unknown: 01:10:26

Yeah, I think we've been, for a long time, there's been a certain like set of books, or a certain set of ideologies, especially, like I know, they talk about on the astrology podcast all the

Kyle Pierce: 01:11:18

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's been helping me because like, I'll, you know, get back into the fixed stars a little bit, and I'll start looking for examples. And I'm like, Well, I don't see it

Unknown: 01:11:47

So I have a, like, kind of a good example of that if we want to go into one please. Yeah, one of the ones that I think is a good example of like that idea of in older texts, it's doom and

Kyle Pierce: 01:12:06

that's a Gemini start every Gemini? Yes, yeah, I

Unknown: 01:12:10

think it's in Gemini one, like, right, right, right at the very beginning of Gemini one is that because it's a nebula nebula are often associated with blindness, because they because of like,

Unknown: 01:13:15

example, like you could be more disposed to, like pre cognitive abilities or things like spirit sight, or like, just, you might have a more of an awareness of the, the invisible or like the subtle

Kyle Pierce: 01:13:33

Yeah. Yeah. You don't see like the you get your really extreme examples every now and then, which I'm always fascinated in. I've always been interested in just the extremes of things

Unknown: 01:14:04

I think it's like, if you lived near a volcano, you'd want to know that it could erupt. Yeah, absolutely terrified that it's erupting. Every day. Yeah, necessarily write

Kyle Pierce: 01:14:13

well, and if you will, the next one, it's good to know the science of, of when it's going to erupt. So totally. You know how to get out of the way. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any, any

Unknown: 01:14:30

trying to think of like, ones that I have soft spots for? Stars and Pegasus tend to be kind of like, nice. I have a couple of those in my charts. And they're, they I don't know they just have

Kyle Pierce: 01:15:08

that. Not that we want to attach them to the signs too much but no,

Unknown: 01:15:12

not necessarily. I also am doing more looking into stars in Gemini specifically.

Kyle Pierce: 01:15:22

There's a bunch of them in Gemini, there's a ton. Yeah.

Unknown: 01:15:26

Like Castor and Pollux are the two brightest stars there. Right? And that's directly from Greek mythology, like

Kyle Pierce: 01:15:32

storytelling kind of types, right?

Unknown: 01:15:35

But yes, specifically Castor, I would say is like one of the ones that is is well known for the their storytelling ability and kind of even things like prophecy. In some ways. I'm really

Kyle Pierce: 01:16:34

with them. Where's the one where roughly is the one with me going to look it up? Because it's making me think about the chart I was looking at recently. I was trying to figure out

Unknown: 01:17:02

It's yeah, like, I think it's in the first couple of cancer potentially. But if it is, like, if they're a fighter that Pollux is known, as you know, in mythology isn't the boxer out of

Kyle Pierce: 01:17:19

that's interesting is I find your Sean O'Malley is kind of like a rising star in the UFC. Okay. And he had this like, really long, undefeated streak that was broken by it was his ankle

Kyle Pierce: 01:18:24

wonder if the moon

Unknown: 01:18:25

it's a it's in Gemini want to start specifically that I know. Okay. Yeah. So at about five, five ish degrees, it's called. This is one thing with stars too, is that they're often really

Kyle Pierce: 01:18:51

Well, so much for that story.

Unknown: 01:18:54

There's more. More than one star. That's where did they go?

Kyle Pierce: 01:18:57

Yeah, that's the scene. That's something that I want to one reason I want to get into the stars more is because I imagine it has to, like, fill in so many gaps where I'm like, I'm not

Unknown: 01:19:46

I think I've heard of it that way. Yeah, yeah. It's only from dark tourists that show dark Oh, yes. is like the only place I know from

Kyle Pierce: 01:19:56

Yeah, he was you know, drug lord. You know terrorist basically, he he politically involved for sure. But definitely had this kind of mystique around him, you know, kind of loved by

Unknown: 01:21:08

What I find interesting with that, specifically is that Antares is in it's the heart of Scorpio. So it's like the heart of the Scorpion. Mon Antares means the rival of Mars, right? Or the

Kyle Pierce: 01:21:41

force, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, like rival Yeah. killed a lot of cops. But the ones that he basically killed the ones that he couldn't bribe, more or less. I know, he went to prison.

Unknown: 01:22:00

Yeah, I think he built it. Like it was like a house.

Kyle Pierce: 01:22:02

Yeah. Yeah. But super. I mean, it's, this is one of those cases where you get a planet, right on a fixed star on the midheaven. In a very powerful house. Like it's just, it's very loud.

Unknown: 01:22:49

to there's this, like, we talked about the idea that they have these expectations, and there's almost this quality of like, you get the thing, the fixed star promises, so long as you

Kyle Pierce: 01:23:41

Yeah, but it's almost like they give you the impulse to do it to some degree, but like, like, Oh, are you going to? Want to mess with you? Like, how are you going to handle this? Yeah,

Unknown: 01:24:16

That one's a little tricky? It's not as it's not

Kyle Pierce: 01:24:18

as clear what you said getting wrapped up in you're almost like drinking your own Kool Aid. Yeah, that kind

Unknown: 01:24:22

of seems to be the agreed upon one is that like, foam, a whole brain, you know, a sort of mystic quality like, in this sense, I think what Pablo? Yeah, charisma, what we're seeing is like a

Kyle Pierce: 01:24:54

And it's good for magic, too. But it's like magical practitioners.

Unknown: 01:24:58

Yeah. I think it's interest thing was, well, maybe well, I don't know, maybe. Yeah. I find it interesting too, that it's on his ascendant which like, in different ways you can kind of

Kyle Pierce: 01:25:46

Yeah. I don't know how much I mean, sure. He did plenty of drugs. I don't know if the if he had as much of a specific problem with this or not, I don't know either. But I'm just thinking

Kyle Pierce: 01:26:56

for drive like, yes, motivation. Yeah, just makes it like gives you like a like, you see what you want. And you just go for it. And you keep going for it relentlessly. Yeah,

Unknown: 01:27:07

like you're like a steam engine, right? Like you'll just push and push and push and push and push until you get the thing that you you desire.

Kyle Pierce: 01:27:15

Yeah. And then Regulus. God was too many examples of Regulus. Yeah,

Unknown: 01:27:21

we know one in particular. That's really Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce: 01:27:25

I see Regulus showing up a lot. And just dirty men are just like, prominent patriarchal figures who get themselves into trouble. At some point. It's almost too many of them. And I feel

Unknown: 01:27:55

Yes, like, in different different cultures. It's got like less intense significations. It's a but it's it's the heart of the lion. Yeah, it's like, one of the animals that's known for being or

Kyle Pierce: 01:28:22

Yeah, this is making me think that we will have to do a we had our astrology one on one series, where we did planets, aspects, signs and all that. We got to do fixed arcs. So sure, their

Unknown: 01:28:58

it. Yeah, totally. I mean, you there's, there's certain things where I've been very systematic about it. But for example, like I, I, I don't necessarily know all of the ecliptic

Kyle Pierce: 01:29:31

Well, I think a good way to start if you're looking to get into the fixed stars is maybe start start with the Royals. Yes, those are real important. And you don't want to miss that. I

Unknown: 01:29:44

there's lots of literature on them already. Yeah, yeah.

Kyle Pierce: 01:29:47

And really good examples. Like you can you can just find them. They're not hard. Yeah. And then I'd probably go with like bohemian, though. I don't know if the Bohemian was two stars.