We're going back in time with Supernatural Season 4, Episode 3 "In the Beginning." Time travel is caused by forehead boops. We want copies of Bedtime Stories for Lil Hunters. And also have an interview with the Convention keeper of Baby, Jordan, at the Alamo Hero Con. Find his merch at www.not-topic.com

On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we're going to talk about forehead.

Boops and bedtime stories for little hunters.

All right, let's do this.

Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, We're going to talk about season four, episode three.

In the beginning.

In the beginning, there was Diana and Liz.

Yes.

How are you doing?

I'm all right.

Just, you know, coming out of the weekend, and we.

It's.

Well, by the time this is airing, it will have already been Mardi Gras.

But we had fun in our neighborhood.

Oak Cliff is a neighborhood of Dallas for those that don't know.

And it has quite a tradition for a Mardi Gras parade.

So we had a blast with that the other day, and we had lovely weather after having shit weather for days.

So it was sunshiny and there were marching bands and cars and Elvi.

Elvi.

On Elvis's.

Yeah, Elvis says Elvis.

What is a plural of Elvis's?

And then, yeah, the guy who said, it's Elvis's.

On.

On.

On mini bikes.

And it was a good time.

And they're dogs and all kinds of fun stuff and booze because Barney Groff.

So that was our fun.

Yeah.

At least there were dogs.

Yeah.

That makes everything better.

So.

Yeah.

How about you?

Oh, I think I did some things that people may find a note.

So I went to the Alamo Hero Con this Saturday.

Thankfully, no shade on them.

But I kept looking for a schedule and looking for a schedule, and I didn't see one.

So I was like, well, I guess maybe everything is the same.

And I was like, I guess I'll go on Sunday.

And then my friend texted me Saturday morning, so, what's the plan for the day?

And I'm like, I don't know.

Like, it was really shitty weather here.

It was like.

It was gross.

And I was like, I probably just.

You stay on the couch.

And then I looked and I was like, fuck, all the supernatural stuff is happening at the con today.

And so because they had, like, posted the schedule of panelists and stuff inside the photo ops schedule, like, so it was like small print inside of, like, a web page that never said anywhere, this is the schedule.

Right?

So.

But I was able to make myself look less like a cave woman and drug myself over to the Palmer Event center.

And there.

Oh, my God, there are so many people from Supernatural.

And because there were not a lot of people at the con, I got to talk to a lot of people.

Got to talk to Julian Richings, you Know who actually called me over because he wanted to want to know what the fuck Peggy was.

And he.

I know Peggy is, you know, Peggy makes friends.

You guys understand, like, everybody freaks out because they think she's real.

And then they.

Everybody loves her except for Mark Shepard.

And we'll get to that in a second.

But everybody loves her and wants to meet her.

And then when they find out that she's a puppet and talks, they love her even more.

So Julian Richings loved him.

Ruth Connell, who are lovely Scottish lass Rowena, also also loved pe.

She apparently had some wee tiny possums in with the skunks that she keeps.

So I did not know that Ruth Connell keeps skunks.

And we also.

I talked to her a bit about armadillos and she was just the loveliest person ever.

I think we all knew that, but just.

Oh.

And then, you know.

So it was also nice to take a picture standing next to somebody where like, we just look like normal sized people.

She wasn't towering over you?

No, I think we're like about the same height.

So it was like, oh, finally, for once a photo doesn't look weird.

And then we went to the Mark Shepard panel, which was fantastic.

And there's like no rhyme or reason to this.

Like, he comes in and he is like, so anybody have any questions?

He's just sitting at the front and shouting at.

I'm like, how do we do?

And I was just like, how do we do this?

And he was like, do you have a mic hidden somewhere?

And I'm like, well, I might.

You know, it's not unlike me that I really wish I'd had my mic on me and just like whipped it out and like pulled it out.

Yes, yes, I do.

Yes, I do.

And he was, of course, charming, snarky, intimidating, all those things that he is.

But just some really great insight and conversations about the show.

One of the insights I think I wanted to share was he was.

Somebody was talking about the prequel that's coming and, you know, kind of whether or not he had any interest in it, which I think he does not.

But one of the things that he pointed out, though, is that what made Supernatural so great and why none of the other spinoffs didn't, like, go, is that Jared and Jensen were in them.

And so just kind of that theory that, you know, really those two are what make that show.

So it'll be interesting to see what happens with, with the prequel and whether or not it can hold its own.

But then I was downstairs and taking pictures with him and we're chatting and he does not like Peg.

He apparently does not like possums.

I will leave out the story about the possum and the shovel that he told me.

That was very concerning.

And.

Yeah, yeah.

So we also have some really great pictures of him not.

Not trying to stand as far away from Peggy as possible, which is really funny.

He refused to touch her.

Not.

Not like I was like, touch my possum.

Touch my possum, Mr. Straight.

I would understand him being a little uncomfortable with that.

Whoa.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then she also.

Peggy got the very luxurious photo photo shoot with Baby.

So basically, you can see.

I think Diana's already posted it.

The.

You haven't yet.

Okay, well, by now I will have.

Yeah, yeah.

By the time you're listening, you will see the lovely adventures of Peggy drunk driving.

And it's not something that possum should do, but she.

She got a little hammered and Dr.

Took the.

Stole the Impala and to get verse spin.

So, yeah, it was.

It was.

It was a good day.

I'm glad I made it out there.

I did not make it to.

I wish I could have stayed for the last panel.

The last panel, which was going to be Julia and I think Katie Cassidy and Emily Holmes and maybe Ruth.

Ruth also did her witching hour there.

But there was like three hours between that and when my last thing was.

Frankly, there was nothing to do with.

Once you kind of walk around and look at shit, you kind of watch around and looked at shit.

So, yeah, I left.

But, I mean, I also was like, it's not really.

I mean, I guess it could have gotten better, but I mean, it was like.

Is it really, like.

Yeah, hanging out.

I hung out with Mark Shepard.

That was cool.

All you needed, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And he is so charming, and so he is an attractive man, especially now that he has this full sleeve going and it's all this beautiful Japanese traditional tattoo work.

And, yeah, it works on him.

Well, I'm sad I couldn't have joined overall do some work.

So, you know.

Yeah.

So.

Oh, yeah, this other thing happened where Russia invaded a country and.

Yeah, so that also happened.

And I'm very tired.

Everyone in my industry is very tired.

I'm sure the rest of the world is also very tired.

And we all just.

We all just need some really long paid vacations.

Right?

Like, I think everybody, like, every office should just be like, here's a month of paid leave.

Go get your brain.

Be nice.

Right?

Yeah.

So let's get.

Let's get talking about this episode because I think I love this episode.

I know.

I think Diana's.

One of her comments was.

It was weird.

I think, you know, there is just so much canon that gets established in this episode.

And you're listening to the commentary from Eric Kripke and Jeremy Carver, you know, really thinking about how hard it was for them because they boxed in so much of this back in the pilot of Supernatural.

And, you know, which to me, like, I find it sometimes easier to be creative when I'm boxed in because then I have, like, I know what the end product is going to be.

Right.

Exactly.

I know where I'm trying to go.

As opposed to just like you bring.

Your guide, at least, even if you haven't fully boxed in, you've got something, and it's something to keep you reined in and keep you on track with what the story that you're telling.

Yeah.

And I think they did, like, a really good job of marrying.

And I was like, yeah, you would think about, like, oh, you.

It's been four years since they did that pilot.

Right.

And granted, you know, there's going to be 11 more years of this.

That's a long time between writing something and having a vision and a goal and then having to put it into this episode.

It was directed by Steve Boyam, who also did Crossroads Blues and.

But you can definitely see Kripke's hand, like, all over this.

And it was also written by Jeremy Carver, we all know and love.

He's also doing Doom Patrol with Mark Shepard, which I like.

And then I kind of felt guilty about.

Mark Shepard kept talking about Doom Patrol during his panel, and I kind of stopped watching after, like, the first few episodes.

And it's not like I didn't like it.

I just like, it's one of those shows that you want to go back to, but, like, you just kind of like.

And then you get distracted.

Like, I was literally going to go back to it yesterday, and then I was like, oh, John Oliver's back.

I watched that instead.

But anyways, so Jeremy Carver is also obviously a writer on Doom Patrol right now.

So.

Yeah.

So we're going to start off and Dean is asleep in his motel.

It's a very 70s motel.

It's not my favorite motel they've been in.

I'm just saying it's not.

So Dean is sleeping underneath his jacket and not the covers for some reason.

Like, is that was for a sanitary reason.

Maybe.

Maybe, but.

Or unless, like, maybe it was.

He fell asleep and Sam put the jacket on top of him to keep him warm.

You just making things up now?

Why not?

All right.

And so.

But Sam is there, but Sam's not sleeping.

He's awake.

And grabs a bag and sneaks out the do door to go meet Ruby.

Oh, man.

And then she asks him if he's ready.

And he's like, definitely.

And no, that's not concerning at all.

No.

Nothing looks shady about this.

Nope.

Nope.

Looks fine.

Nope.

So they're leaving, and we cut back to Dean.

And Dean is dreaming about what we is alluded to us, that this is him dreaming about being in hell.

Is that a good take on that, you think?

Sure.

Sure.

Or titties.

I don't know.

I just assume, like, maybe it was probably titties in hell.

I mean, I just assume they're in, like, every one of these dreams.

Yeah, that's fair.

Or the lack of titties if it's his nightmare.

If it's his how?

Like, you know, just like, no, there's no boobs.

And Castiel shows up and he's like, hey, Dean, you need to stop it.

And he's like, stop what?

And then he just touches his forehead.

Dean wakes up on a bench to a cop shaking him awake with his jacket still on top of them.

His jacket's still on top of him.

Which I was like, okay, I guess that carries over.

So, Cassiel, Secret power is pooping.

So that's cool.

Forehead boops, not nose.

Boobs.

Forehead, not nose.

He was like, I've got to take it different, right?

Lilith does nose boops.

I'm going to do a forehead boop.

Yep.

So this is very reminiscent.

Obviously, there's a lot of Back to the Future references we're gonna see in this episode.

And this is definitely one, you know, cop waking him up and.

But lucky for him, though, his.

His.

His jacket had the journal in it.

Cool.

Of course.

That's convenient.

Doesn't seem like that would have been left in the motel room or anything.

Of course he wants to look at his cell phone, though.

I think that's.

It's.

You know, it's just like, that's a phone's oldest.

Shit.

Couldn't do half the things our phones do now.

And it's still, like, first instinct.

Pull out your cell phone.

Yeah, yeah.

No, I mean, that would be mine, too.

And when he gets up, you can see an ad for tab soda.

And I'm like, shaggy.

Yeah.

We're.

We're a few years out of date, so.

Although, I mean, honestly, with the way things are right now, I would not be surprised or tab to come back and there being.

But there just wouldn't be a park bench, you know, just because graffiti.

There's a QR code for tab soda somewhere now.

Yeah.

So he goes into this diner across the street and ends up he's in Lawrence, Kansas.

Of course he is.

So he sits at the bar and asks about his cell phone signal, and the gentleman that responds to him makes a USS Enterprise joke.

Oh, and he starts making.

And Dean makes a crack about the somebody there being dressed in very outdated clothes is like, oh, Sonny and Cher broke up.

And they get very upset.

Broke up?

He just broke the news he broke.

Spoiler alert.

Sonny and Cher are not going to be forever.

And this is when I like, was like, something's not right.

And then as soon as that joke was made, I'm like, off.

Bunch of cast sent him back in time.

Oh, so this is when you really figured it out?

Well, for sure.

Like, I knew something was up, but I was like.

I was like, this possible?

I'm like, yep, definitely.

So.

And yeah, so like everywhere around them they're like, the art.

Art department was like, how are you going to make people know it's the 70s?

So I guess they wanted them to be like way more hippie.

Doubt.

But they didn't, like the budget could have been too much to have everybody dress like they were part of Sonny and Cher.

But also, realistically, people wouldn't have been.

Well, it's like, it's like when you go to an 80s, everybody dressed like in fucking neon and leg warmers.

Like, especially not in Kansas.

Kansas is not a counter culture mecca, you know, like it was fucking corn.

And I'm sure they're all wearing, you know, stuff from the 60s, whatever, clean cut.

But.

And there's like, you know, there's signs over the wall like, you know, where you can tell, like, our specials are very low.

And then you see the newspaper that says, not only is Nixon residing, but it's also April.

So.

And someone, a gentleman, another guy comes into the bar and calls over to the guy sitting next to Dean, it's.

Also a diner, not a bar.

Oh, diner.

Well, the bar top at the diner.

Excuse me.

That's what I meant.

Sitting at the diner.

Bar.

Does that make sense?

Yep.

Yes.

All right, all right.

And it's fucking John Winchester.

Because of course now Dean's sitting next to his dad, because, duh, this is supernatural.

Just saying.

I feel like that would have had to happen.

But then I'm like, oh, shit, is every gonna get a paradox.

It's just like where you get in the weird time travel shit and you can't like reveal things anyways.

I don't know.

I mean, that's typically what happens when you travel in time.

If you fuck things up, then.

Yeah.

This is also why I hate time travel movies.

And apparently butterfly effects and all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

And apparently, like, it also hurts some people's heads writing it, which I'm not surprised.

But, oh boy, is John Winchester handsome.

He is attractive younger man.

Not that Jeffrey Dean Morgan is not an attractive older man, but young John,.

He's a good looking guy played by Matt Cohen, also known for a lot of his appearances on Kings of Khan.

Yep.

So always.

You know, he goes to a lot of the creation conventions then.

Yeah, he's just fucking hot.

All right, so.

Dean's giving John a very, very creepy stare.

Yeah, it's not comfortable.

And so John leaves, basically.

And then Dean's like, all right.

Gets out of there.

He's like.

But he runs into Cass, of course.

And there is a delorean joke, as there should be, because if we're going to have Back to the future references, there must be DeLorean references.

And so Cassiel just repeats to Dean that he has to stop it and then disappears again.

Just like.

Can you.

Can you finish that sentence, please?

Like, yeah, we're just not going to stop.

Pissed.

I would be fucking pissed.

Stop the bus.

Stop.

You know, stop, drop and roll.

Like, what?

What other things am I supposed to.

What, am I supposed to kill my dad?

It never exists.

Like, stop.

What?

Look and listen.

That would be a paradox too.

So that's a different story anyways.

But like, yeah, it's very annoying.

Somebody threw my ass back in time and said stop it and didn't tell me what to stop.

I'd be fucking pissed.

Yeah, I'd be.

I'd be fucking shit up.

And I would also be like, I don't know, I'd probably be shopping a lot because, oh my God, all that dead stock.

Oh, and car.

I would be car shopping too.

Like, I'm not surprised that John's at a car dealership, but also that car dealership needs to watch their fucking shit.

Like everything very dirty, filthy.

And I'm like, very dirty.

There's no excuse.

Like, even when I got Duchess, when I first got her and she was not Running and her paint, and she had been sitting in a field and had mouse nests.

It was disgusting.

Anyways, even then I took her out in the driveway and I washed her from front to back.

And everybody admit, like, holy, you got a way better deal.

That car looks so much better.

We didn't even realize it just because she washed it.

Yeah, I mean, story.

I just can't imagine going to a.

Car dealership and I'm all being that dirty.

I'd be like, fuck you.

You can't even wash the bitches.

So, yes, we are at a car dealership and John is about to buy a Volkswagen bus.

Did those buses have another name?

Because I was trying, like, last night, I was trying to remember it, and I was like, am I drunk or is there just like.

I know there were slam vans, right?

I was like, did they have another nickname?

Because there was the Bug, which was the Beetle.

But I was like, did the bus have one besides, like, hippie mobiles?

But yeah.

It's going to be the car of a lifetime.

It's going to look awesome when it's 40, just like us.

Yes.

So, speaking of cars, I think we're gonna do something a little different this week.

So when I was at again, Alamo Hero Con, as I was, I swear to God, they're not a sponsor.

When I was there this weekend, I had the fortunate opportunity and time to talk with Jordan, who is from Not Topic, I think is him and his wife's store.

Hopefully that's your wife.

Jordan not being weird, but he is the one who takes baby around to all the cons.

So let's cut to a brief interview with him.

All right.

Hey, everybody.

I am here at the Alamo Heracom podcast with Jordan.

Hey, Jordan, tell everybody what you do.

All right, so basically, I travel the country selling merch at comic Cons as well as showing off Baby.

We've had baby for about four years.

We got her in North Carolina.

We got her in Charlotte.

We got her all fixed up.

The interior had to be completely ripped out.

Had to put in all new tan interior, black leather seats, the whole.

The whole bit.

And what's funny is the guy who.

The interior.

The guy who did the interior work wasn't even a fan of the show.

And then about like a month and a half into the process, he invited us over to the house to see the.

The car that he had in his shop just to show us stuff that he had Done.

And all of a sudden, I look at the TV and he's on season eight.

And I'm like, oh, damn.

So you're a fan now?

He's like, yeah, I've basically been binging it ever since I. I was doing research on Baby, and then I just decided to watch one of the episodes and it was game over.

So, yeah, that just.

You.

You all know how amazing Supernatural is, so you all get it.

But, yeah, so that's what I do.

Travel the country, show off, baby, and have a good time.

So you are a fan of the show too?

Oh, big time.

I've probably seen the series through and through.

Seven or eight times I've hung out with basically all the cast members.

You know, it's.

It's been a wild ride.

So we are actually.

This will Go On Season four, Episode three.

And so that's the episode where Dean goes back in time to go meet.

To go meet and convince Vincent's dad to buy the Impala for the first time.

Yes.

So I think it's kind of cool that we're talking to you right now.

For sure.

If you could go back in time, what car would you get?

Ooh.

I mean, obviously I'm a big fan of, you know, any of the Impalas, any of the muscle cars, but I gotta admit, I'm an El Camino fan.

So definitely get an El Camino.

Cherry red color, red interior with the little fuzzy dice on the mirror.

Dude, that's my jam.

Well, you gotta have the fuzzy dice for sure.

Yeah.

So, okay, so those of you who have not seen Baby at a con, you know, she's got a ton of stuff in her trunk.

Yeah.

And on the show, you know that we're Team Trunk instead of Team Dean.

Team Bobby.

We are Team Trunk.

What's your favorite weapon inside Trunk?

I mean, everyone gravitates towards the grenade launcher.

You know, it was definitely one of the funniest bits when Dean kept on trying to use it and then never could, but then finally did.

That was super cool.

But I would have to go with, I mean, the Cult.

The Cult is, you know, the.

The mythical item that can basically kill anything.

Or so we thought.

But yeah, definitely the Cult.

It's.

It's a staple for sure.

So if you could hang out with any of these people, the Supernatural celebrities, like, who do you want to hang out with?

You know what I mean?

Basically, speaking on experience, DJ Quals is super fun to hang out with.

Very charismatic.

Always has something to say, is not stuck up in the least bit Ruth's really cool.

I've known she's been able to knock back a few drinks, but I hear that she's toned down a little bit from COVID which is probably a good thing for all of us to do.

But, yeah, I would.

But, I mean, come on, let's all admit it.

We'd all love to hang out with Jensen, go hunting or something like that.

I mean, that.

I mean, he's.

He's like a unicorn, you know, you never even see him outside of the panels at the cons.

Really.

I mean, I've run into him maybe once or twice in the back, and it was just like, you see him, and then you don't.

He's elusive.

He's a cryptoid.

He is.

Or cryptid.

So, I guess.

One final thing.

Of all, like, the cities that you go around to in the cons, what's your favorite one to go visit?

It's definitely got to be a toss up.

Before I lived in Texas, Dallas was definitely my favorite.

You got to love the way that everybody acts there.

Everyone's super nice, super carefree.

I mean, you can get the best steak in the country in Dallas.

Big steak fan.

My co host, who is not here, lives in Dallas, so she's gonna love this.

Go on.

Yeah.

Anyways, big, big plus plug for Papas Bros right here.

They're the.

They're the place to go if you want a good steak.

Other than that, I love New Orleans.

NOLA is definitely the place to go.

It's the place to eat.

There's a lot of culture.

The people there are super wild and crazy, so you got to go to the French Quarter.

You know, you got to hit up some of the old antique shops that are there.

There's a lot to NOLA that not a lot of people know, and it's definitely a place that you'd want to travel to.

So next Supernatural Con that is in Nola, I would suggest to go.

Yeah.

And Diana went there is the first place we met Jordan.

He took some dumb pictures of us there.

Jordan also took some fabulous pictures of Peggy.

Those will be out on the gram and probably where else we shove them.

So thanks, Jordan.

Cheers.

No problem.

Thank you so much for having me on.

Y' all have a great day.

That's so fun.

I wish I had been there.

Yeah.

Hopefully the sound of that sounded great for everybody because it was loud con, but not that loud.

So good times.

Thanks again, Jordan, and we will see you the next Supernatural convention.

Yes, for sure.

And thanks for taking rad photos.

If you See him there taking pictures at Baby Worth it.

He takes great pictures.

He takes great photos.

He actually gives a shit.

And like once you want you to have a nice experience with pictures of the car.

Seriously.

Yeah.

In New Orleans we even got, you know, a soundtrack at the con this weekend.

He is the one who was taking Baby's pictures and I think he also quite.

It's always fun taking pictures of possums, like.

Right.

So Peggy got.

Peggy got some cool photos too, for sure.

Yeah.

All right.

So back to the car dealership.

The beginning of Baby.

And so Dean and John are talking and Dean introduces himself as Dean Van Halen because of course he does.

And starts asking real fucking weird questions to John about chills, sulfur, cattle mutilation.

You know, the normal things I talk about in a car when you first.

Meet somebody and you're in a car parking lot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So John's like, this is real fucking awkward.

I told somebody I was going to buy the Volkswagen.

But you're probably right.

I need a fucking Impala.

But you need to leave because you're a fucking weirdo.

And one.

Yeah.

And one other fun fact from the car dealership.

Baby cost to the cost in the windshield.

We don't know is she was bargain was $2,204.

That's a very weird number for a car.

It is a weird number.

I'm sure there is a significance somewhere, but.

Yeah.

So we cut to John driving.

Driving Baby to go pick up Mary.

Oh, what?

It's mom.

So Dean's following.

Of course.

Okay.

We have a problem with what Dean is following in.

Did you pick that up?

That.

That is a problem.

Yeah.

That is a problem.

Yeah.

Oops.

Who did that?

I don't know.

That is at least what it said in Supernatural Wiki and I. I'm going to assume that is true.

Right.

Oops.

Weird because it looked like.

It almost looked like a gremlin, but.

But it wasn't a gremlin.

It was gremlin like.

And that's why I just didn't.

I was like, okay, whatever.

We've talked about gremlins before.

So I was like, yeah.

Did someone just think like, it looks kind of like a gremlin, it'll be fine.

Perhaps.

Or just like this is.

This looks like an old car.

I don't know.

I can't see them doing that.

I. I know that.

I'm sure there is a reason it somewhere.

All right, well, Dean gets real fucking Gross.

In this scene.

I don't think he's that gross.

I mean, he's.

I mean, he isn't like, I want to bone my mother.

He's just like, she's a babe and her hair is bitching.

So she is.

She's beautiful and her hair is bitching.

But the problem isn't just that he says his mom.

Mom's babe.

Because, like.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, like, she's.

Okay.

Yeah, she is.

But then he's like, but his paws.

Then, like.

And then I'm gonna go to hell again.

Like, that makes it.

Like.

That makes it a little.

That makes it implied.

Creepier.

That was my problem with it.

Like, mom's babe.

Okay.

Yeah, Mom's babe.

Good for you.

Your mom's hot.

All right.

Maybe he just realizes that it's not right to objectify women, no matter who they are.

So she's also.

That's what happened.

All right.

So he continues to stalk them.

And she is wearing a very cute Western church.

Very cute.

Like her.

Yeah.

They had.

They had her set up, right?

And she's talking to John about her, like, protective dad.

And you can tell that John's definitely thinking about proposing.

We know this from the story, too.

So Mary pops out from the diner where they're having dinner when John's about to propose and sneaks up on Dean in the alley.

Who is creeping.

Before.

Before we get to that, I think.

You know, something I thought was interesting in that diner conversation, too, is that we already get the setup that her dad isn't fond of him, but John thinks that it's because he's a mechanic.

And so that's a good point to have.

But I think it's going to start sliding.

Where I'm not sure these guys are on the same page.

All right, so now we go into.

The alley and Mary sneaks up on Dean, who's, like, watching them through a window, real creepy, like.

And attacks him, assaults him for following them.

And he sees her bracelet full of charms, ends up, Mary, mom is a hunter.

What the fuck?

What the fuck?

What the fuck?

Was your mind blown?

Yes.

Yeah.

The story on its ear.

Because the whole thing has been a long.

That mom and dad were normal as.

And then weird ass happened to mom and she died burning on the ceiling.

So then we had to.

Then dad had to go cuckoo bird and turn into a psycho hunter.

That's the story.

Yep.

So there's a power story.

It's the private story.

You didn't know.

And it's going to open up a Lot more questions when we get to the end of the episode.

There's going to be some.

It.

Does this work?

But you know, she's got an adorable charm really set on.

I think it's just the cutest fucking thing.

I don't know like where she bought those in the 70s, but like somebody had to make them for her.

And God bless that jeweler.

I would like to have like that as a jeweler.

I know I've seen the charm bracelet for sale.

But it's.

It is just cute.

It is.

So.

So she's a hunter.

So now we start think.

You start thinking about dad not liking John.

And you're like, oh, yeah.

So John goes to drop Mary back off.

Dean's waiting in like the fucking shadows to talk to her some more.

And she introduces Dean to her dad, who is Samuel.

Yeah.

And she's like, dad doesn't want to meet you.

Like she.

He doesn't like other people.

Pretty much.

He's like people and he doesn't like hunters.

Right.

So nobody like.

No, no hunters.

Like other hunters is what I've pieced together, by the way, so far in this series.

Unless you're Bobby.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But they don't even really like each other.

It's just like a necessity network kind of a thing.

But anyways, so he passes a test about killing vampires and.

But either I'm just.

They just don't trust each other and they don't really like each other and don't want to associate.

But they make, you know.

Yeah.

So Samuel is asking if Dean is in town working a job.

And Dean's like, yeah, basically because he kind of is on his own.

And then Samuel's kind of working on a job.

And Dean realizes the pain of research without the Internet.

Right.

At this point too, we also get to meet another very attractive female who comes in and her name is Deanna.

Deanna Campbell, played by Allison Hossack.

So we have Samuel, Indiana Campbell.

So now we know where Sam and Dean's names come from.

They were the name of Mary's parents.

Yep.

Very cool.

And yeah.

So we cut to their.

Oh, man, I'm sorry.

So we're cutting to Samuel's job that he's working because he's going to check out some shit that's going down on this farm.

And Samuel shows up with Mary and drags Mary with him and he's dressed as a priest.

He does make a family business reference in this when they're pulling up as well then.

But Mary's like, I'm Going to talk to the kid over here standing around by himself.

And so Samuel's like, fine.

Goes to the house and guess who's already there.

Beat him to his own job.

Dean also dressed as a priest because duh.

Yeah.

And this also, it hearkens back to Dean and Sam being the same priests in episode 114, Nightmare source from Supernatural Wiki.

So Samuel is introduced as my associate, our senior senior priest, Father Cheney.

And for those of you, those of you children who don't know, Dick Cheney is a very evil man.

Oh, man.

So Dean.

Dean's kind of pointing out to Samuel that everything there was pretty normal.

Like, she said, the widow says everything's normal kind of a thing.

But off to the side, Mary's talking to this kid by a tree and gets the kid to tell Dean that his dad was beating the shit out of mom, the widow, but that recently some guy showed up and said that he would end the beatings and he'd be back in 10 years.

Yep.

And we're getting to that demon in a second.

But.

So this scene had like a longer cut to you on the dvd.

But this kid, like, no offense to Charlie, but why is Charlie acting like he is, you know, on a farm in Oklahoma in like.

And his dad's little Abner.

Like, it was just a very weird take on this farm child.

And he makes me very uncomfortable.

Like, just as a person itself.

Like, he just bothers me.

It's just.

It's like a super, like, caricature.

It was just odd.

Yeah, it just.

It was just weird.

And like, him talking to me like, I don't know, like the whole thing.

He just.

That whole interaction.

Let me tell you, Mrs. My pa was baiting Ma.

And this man came and said, like.

And he was a Bible thumper, but not like the other Bible thumpers.

And it was gonna save Ma from PA being so mean.

And.

And he didn't have black eyes.

He was just an old dude.

He was a normal looking white dude.

But, oh, yeah, he had yellow eyes.

Yellow eyes.

Oh, shit.

Who's back?

Fucking Ye.

Ye.

Ye is back.

Whoop.

Whoop.

So good Lord.

We cut back to the Campbell house where Dean is trying to explain to Samuel about who the fuck ye is.

And it's like,.

I'm just sorry.

That can be applied to so many things.

That's true.

That's true.

Trying to explain anything.

Yeah, that's very confusing.

Yeah, especially culturally now.

Oh, my God.

Anyways, so he's like, you know what?

Dean's like, you know what?

I know where the cult is because he knows where they got it in their time, so he knows where the cult has been.

So he thinks they can go get the fucking cult and kill Azazel to start Zazel.

Yeah, but also, Samuel is like, you know, he's like, no, that's a bedtime story.

The cult is a bedtime story I used to tell Mary.

And I'm like, what the fuck?

Like, did you not have Goodnight Moon?

Like, there's this gun that could kill demons, and it was awesome, but guess what?

It's gone, so we're fucked.

And this princess was happy, lived happily ever after.

Oh, so Samuel.

But, oh, my God, I did.

Now I'm just picturing Samuel with, like, his bedtime story for children.

Children, bedtime stories for little hunters.

Oh, my gosh.

Okay, somebody needs to make that happen.

I want to see it now.

Someone go make that content.

Oh, my gosh.

Anyway, so Dean can't explain how he knows all this and how he has Dean.

His notes from his dad's journal, which he has with him because he's like, I have all the sightings of Yellow Eyes ever written right here by date and time, which is.

I don't think they've ever referenced that before, but sure.

And some of them are super fucking recent.

Like, real recent.

Yeah.

And the list to, like.

That's weird.

I mean, this is, like, one of the things, too.

So John not knowing, but he had to have known about this because he lived in fucking Lawrence, Kansas.

So if she knew who Liddy Walsh was and she knew where the Wiltshire farm is, so did John.

Because Lawrence, Kansas, is not a giant fucking city.

What?

So I am like, this doesn't really add up.

There's some timeline, him not knowing that Mary was a hunter, but it's possible that he did, right?

It's possible at the end, with the end, we can go back to again.

But I don't know, because I'm like, how would you not know?

Like, you had to know that this was all connected to you or at least to Mary, right?

Anyways, Dean's like, my dad was a psychic, right?

And hunters don't like psychics.

So there we go.

And they basically think Dean's insane because duh.

And so he's like, all right, I'm gonna go.

And so he tells Mary that says goodbye to her and that he likes her.

And she's also listening to records in her room.

And that was adorable.

And then Mary describes John as sweet and kind, and he believes in happily ever after.

And he's everything a hunter isn't.

It's like, that's not the John we know.

Not at all.

But.

And she loves him.

And she wants out of the hunting world.

She hates it.

She wants a family, she wants safety, and that's it.

And her.

The worst thing she can imagine is her children to be raised into this.

And Dean's face is like, oh, well, that.

That cut deep.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

No matter what you hear or what you see.

That's upsetting.

It is upsetting.

And then.

Well, I'll bring this up later.

I'm going to cage that thought about the future predictions and stuff.

All right.

So she's like, okay, weirdo Dan.

Like, you would.

I mean, like, what else would you say?

Like, sure, Okay.

I don't know.

So Dean's driving because he wants to drive to preemptively stop Yellow Eyes.

Castiel shows up and Dean trying to make angel flopping.

Sounds like.

Is that what it sounds like?

I don't know.

That's classic.

There you go.

And Dean's like, why?

Where the fuck is Sam?

I mean, and Sam is probably freaking out looking for me.

And Cassio is like, no, not really.

He's fine.

Well, I mean, honestly, like, time travel.

No, I mean, you went to the.

Past, so, like, is the time, like,.

Frozen or is it time moving, but time.

Normal time, but it's a different time speed for him.

I don't know.

This is why time travel, once again, it's very frustrating.

No, but, you know, basically, like, now, this is.

This is for you alone.

You have to do this without Sam.

And then we get into.

Yeah, part's weird.

And so the whole thing has been.

Cass.

TL has told Dean, you must stop it.

Right.

That's what he keeps.

Well, I say keep.

Tell him twice to stop it.

Well, what.

I think he said stop him the first time.

Okay.

I thought I would stop it.

I don't know mine.

He has to stop it or you have to stop it.

I thought it was.

But either way, time to stop something, right?

Whatever it is.

And then, like, whatever you're assuming it is that he's trying to stop, which we still don't fucking know because Castiel has not said what he's supposed to be stopping.

Cassio starts pointing out that, like, you know, yeah, if you.

If you, like, save mom and y' all don't end up being hunters or anything like that, then Everybody that you've ever saved will die because you saved all these people.

And they will be dead people because you didn't save them.

And so, yeah, so Dean's kind of in a weird.

It's kind of a weird, like borderline paradoxical but also ethical dilemma that also.

Dean is just like, no, I'm just.

No.

But you can tell he's upset.

No, you can't.

He's upset about it.

He's like, I'm gonna do it anyways.

He was like, for sure.

Like you would.

It's just.

It's just.

It's just super tough.

So I'm like, so why is he there?

Anyway, so Dean gets his happy ass to Colorado, finds the cult.

Daniel points a shotgun at him and he's like, nope, need it for a few days.

Save my family.

I will leave it with the Campbells and Lawrence.

Bye.

Bye.

Bye.

And you know, Samuel Elkins is like, okay, I guess that that's cool by checks out.

I don't know.

Weird.

Real weird.

So we cut back to.

We cut back to the.

The Campbell house.

And Mary's pretty upset.

Ends up that the house where Dean is trying to intercept the demon with Liddy Walsh.

And that's where her and her dad's aware and Samuel's aware of this.

And she's pissed because she's like, that's my fucking friend.

Now I want to go help and hunt, I guess.

And also she's having a very sweet father daughter moment of them cleaning their guns and.

Which is actually a sweet thing that I have done with my father.

And it's.

I don't know, it's a good bonding moment.

Gives me fond memories.

There's a man who is Dr. Brown talking to Liddy Walsh and giving like some very bad medical news about a family member of her.

And yeah, this is the scene where they're trying to intercept the demon.

So Samuel busts in the doctor.

It's a. Anyways, it's confusing.

Yeah.

Okay.

So the doc is like, hey, Lydia, your dad has cancer.

Yeah, he's got his bad.

I can fix him.

I'm just gonna ask.

Come back in 10 years and ask you for something.

And then Samuel comes in and he's just blasting away.

But the demon does the.

The doc does a demon fling.

Does a demon fling.

Happens and then Samuel is stuck to the wall.

Azazel then turns to choke Mary because Mary is a run up and try to.

Tried to stab him and which Mary.

And he likes hers.

Then gets real weird.

Yeah, it's.

He.

Yeah.

He starts creeping on her.

He's creeping.

He.

That Doc Brown, AKA Yellow Eyes, is creeping on Mary while they're fighting.

And Dean shows up then with the cold and right as he's about to shoot, then the ye.

Does the demon cock thing out of his mouth.

Cock smoke.

Not just a demon cock thing, Stephen.

Cock things I think of smoking is important, you know?

Like, I mean, and I'm sure, like, they didn't even want their cocks to be shortened, you know, Everyone wants a long demon cock smoke.

So anyhow, okay, so Mary is like, telling, you know, Azazel that he liked her.

And then she kind of, like, realize that she's like, oh, oh, no.

And then just like, this is bad, right?

Like, this demon that we've never seen before, like, likes me.

And Samuel's like, okay, I was wrong about Dean.

Dean knew what the fuck he was talking about.

And then that's when Dean tells Samuel that if they don't kill him, Mary's gonna die.

Yeah.

And so Dean tells us to Samuel alone, right?

Mary luckily.

Because that'd be really, once again, paradox.

Upsetting.

Not.

Okay, yeah.

So he doesn't.

But.

So I'm kind of like, you guys know that keeping secrets never works out.

And then Dean's like, guess what?

I'm for the future and I'm your grandson.

Yeah, I don't.

This is once again one of those things in every single time travel story.

This is a paradox, and you can't fucking do that.

That.

Why is it a paradox?

I don't know.

You're just not supposed to let them know who you are.

I don't know.

It's confusing.

Yeah, I mean.

But I mean, what else is he gonna tell him?

I don't know.

Anyways, but he also says that this is the night that the demon caught Mary sent.

And I just think that line is disgusting.

It's so gross.

This is all just icky.

It gets grosser.

It gets grosser.

It gets.

It gets real gross.

All right, so.

So Mary and John are running away together.

Samuel now believes Dean, but.

And Dean won't give Samuel the cult because guess who is now taking over Samuel's body.

Oh, no.

It's a sail.

Oh, my God.

Demon.

I saw somebody at the con and she was wearing this shirt that said it.

It was just like, avoid demon.

Avoid.

What does it say?

Like, wear protection.

Like, avoid.

God damn it.

It was so cute.

It was like, avoid possession.

Wear protection.

And I had like, the.

The anti possession on it.

I'll define that thing.

It was cute.

So cow.

Oh, so cow.

So cute.

And so Azazel's like future boy, huh?

He's like, are you.

Are you one of my psychic kids?

Nope.

Yeah, but we're gonna now kind of get a little more insight into to what Sam is.

And then.

But we're also going to go to some Nazi places because.

Oh, shit.

Like, and we're not even disguising it because he said, you know, he's looking for the perfect parents, like his mommy.

He's gross.

They eat their Wheaties.

My own little master race.

Their ideal breeders.

Yeah.

I'm so glad that we don't share video of this because my face right now is very unattractive because I'm just like vomiting in my mouth.

So gross.

So we learned though, that for him to be able to give his demon blood to these kids, that he has to be invited.

So the concept is, is that he does someone a favor, he doesn't want their soul, doesn't try to trade them for anything.

Except for a favor ten years from now.

And the only favor he's asking them for 10 years from now is for them to let him walk into their children's bedroom and bleed in their baby's fucking mouth.

No, no.

We need to say exactly what he says because it's disgusting.

Okay, so.

And also, Deanna is creeping in the kitchen behind while Azazel is giving his cold cult monologue.

So he's like one.

He is like.

No one's breeding with me.

Though Mary.

Mary would like to make an exception.

And then he says, I'm gonna stand over their crib and I'm gonna bleed into their mouth.

Demon blood is better than Ovaltine.

Vitamins and minerals.

It makes you big and strong.

So begin with it.

Discount demon army.

But it's bigger than a demon army.

But.

So this goes.

So is Sam not Samuel, but is Sam big and strong?

Like, is he, you know, in this big honking thing because of the demon blood?

Is that why he's so tall?

You know, Is that why he has those guns?

Is it the demon blood?

I don't know.

But not all of them are big.

So maybe it's a, you know, symbolic or metaphorical, I don't know.

Anyways, so.

But.

But he won't share his end game.

He's gonna cover his tracks.

So then, weirder and weirder, man.

So fucking weird.

I'm sorry.

That's what I said.

Okay, so then Dean gets a really good line and he is like, maybe not today, but you look into my eyes, you son of A bitch.

And I really love the way he delivered you.

Son of a bitch.

Son of a bitch.

And then Samuel is like, but you know who you can't save?

Your grandpappy.

And he really does say grandpappy and.

Stabs himself because he's in the body.

Which is the body.

Is that.

Anyway, this is also the body of Mary's dad, who just made a reference to her scent.

It's just all so gross.

So it gets worse.

Anyways, so Mitch Balaghi, who plays Samuel, who is a delightful actor.

I don't know if we.

Amazing.

Is Walter Skinner from X Files.

He's Brian Walker in.

In Walker his Earnest in Sons of Anarchy.

He's a beloved actor.

Very liked, very talented.

Yeah, he's.

I never want to hear him say grandpappy again.

I never want to hear him say anything in this.

In this episode ever again.

But he does such a phenomenal job like this.

His language, his body language, his facial movements, like, everything.

You can tell when the character changes for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because he turns into, like.

Yeah, it goes from, you know, super stoic to super fucking creepy.

So.

But he also apparently, like, like, was so into it.

The actor.

Not.

Not Samuel, but he, like, was basically like.

He bruised up his hands on the fake knife from, like, stabbing himself so hard.

I was like, way to commit, man.

You're.

You're amazing.

All right, so we're gonna go to.

A lake and John and Mary are sitting in the.

In the Impala by the water, and she's about to tell him about being a fucking hunter and he's about to fucking propose.

But who shows up?

Oh, it's fucking Yellow Eyed Samuel.

Yeah, so, I mean, but I also think, like, these are people who are in two different spaces, right?

So Mary has obviously been telling him everything through, like the.

This veiled lens of my life, right?

Like, I want you to take me away.

I'm not telling you why.

And he's like, oh, I gotta save and rescue her.

You know, like, it's probably does have a bit of that already because, you know, we all.

John's a fucking, like, martyr saber.

Like, that's.

That's word I'm looking for.

But he always wants to.

He's got a hero complex.

But so he's like, I want to marry this girl and save her.

And she's like, I've got a demon who wants to bone me.

Me.

You know, and so just completely different spaces and it's just a weird couple thing.

Like.

Right.

I don't know.

I maybe, like, you guys aren't the best couple.

Like that's just kind of my thought.

Anyways, so Azizil comes and he basically, you know, rips.

And John's out of the car and she.

He's fighting with Mary.

And John tries to break up the fight because he thinks it's just like her dad abusing her.

Yeah, it's.

Yeah.

Because that's what it looks like.

So we.

Yeah.

And then John gets his neck snapped.

Yeah.

He's not just.

Fucking neck like John's dead.

What the fuck?

Why is John dead?

Yeah.

That's very upsetting because that can't be happening.

Right.

So I.

Everybody's upset at this point.

But you also know now that you're watching that John died.

That you also know that John can't be dead.

Because once again, that'd be a paradox because there's so many other things that have happened because if John died then.

Then the brothers wouldn't have been born.

And then Dean wouldn't be in this position anyways because he wouldn't exist.

And.

Or he wouldn't have been saved by John in the future.

So.

Jesus fucking Christ.

This is a lot.

Okay.

Do you need a moment?

No.

You want to hug?

All right.

I might need a hug.

I might need a fucking hug.

It was distressing.

All right.

So it's about to get real distressing.

Yeah.

Here we get to the real bad part.

So yeah.

Good old Yellow Eyes is flirting with her after talking to her about being an orphan now.

Because he had already killed John and Mommy and Daddy too.

And offers to bring John back.

But not mom and dad.

Mom and dad are fucked.

They're not coming back.

Even though he's in Dad's body.

Which is real weird.

Makes it extra awkward to talk about.

But there'd be no more fear of monsters.

I just need permission to come by the house in 10 years.

I won't take your soul.

No one will get hurt.

As long as I'm not interrupted.

So unpacking this line.

So no more monsters or fear.

I'll make sure of it.

So knowing that we know what's that.

You know how this ends, right?

That she does end up.

Up saying yes because she's about to do something disgusting with her father.

Does that mean that they didn't have.

You know.

That's why they never saw any ghosts or any monsters or anything during those 10 years.

Right.

And that's how John was kept in the dark.

Because Azazel was keeping things away from them.

Deep thought.

Right?

Interesting.

Yep.

There's so many interesting things that this.

Episode breaks up and then Dean pulls up because he finds them and what does he pull up to?

Vomit central.

That's what he pulls up to fucking vomit central.

This is.

This is the incest scene.

This is so wrong.

So now we've got demon Samuel making out with his daughter.

And like I'm just saying, even if you know it's not him, it's his body and it like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So there was a comment that Crypti made about like somebody saying this wasn't going to be able to get past the TV network.

And then they like when I went ahead and explained it.

Okay, but regard how they said this.

It's going to get through.

But yeah, now that's gross.

That's.

Fuck.

Fuck.

It's just fucking awful, guys.

Yeah, it is not.

Not right at all.

It's gross.

So.

So a days old cock smokes out.

Yeah, so he cocksmokes out like he does.

Because he does that every time it's convenient.

And John wakes up and sees that Samuel's dead and does not seem particularly distressed by anything in this situation though also he just came back from being dead too.

So who fucking knows knows.

Then Castiel shows up and boops Dean and Dean wakes up in motel.

So.

So this is where I go with the does.

What is John remember from this night?

Right?

I mean so he's brought back to life.

Obviously Mary has to explain her dead father, right?

So we've got a dead Samuel who's been stabbed next to them.

1.

Hello Police.

Like like you would be in jail for murdering your father.

Like how the fuck upset about this?

No one's running, no one's screaming.

Like nothing.

No, no, she's not screaming because she was just making out with him.

Like I'm sorry, I don't know.

I mean I know she didn't have a lot of like say so in this.

It's still gross.

No, I'm just thinking about repercussions of like random murders and like how they're not getting aggressive for it.