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There are 78 cards in a tarot deck.
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22 major Arcana cards.
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And 56 minor Arcana cards.
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Each card carries its own meaning
symbolism, imagery, and narrative.
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Since the mid 15th century, people have
been using taro cards for a variety
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of reasons, primarily rooted in their
fascination with the mystical and the
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desire for insight into their lives.
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Welcome to this special bonus edition of
this shit works hosted by me, Julie Brown.
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And for this special episode,
I have asked my friend and
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previous guest on the podcast.
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Angela Mayer.
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Back to explain taro cards to us.
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And how we can use their meaning to aid
us in networking and business decisions.
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I've had my tarot cards
read numerous times.
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I've asked the deck for answers and
guidance for life, love and business
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during all different stages of my life.
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So when Ann reached out to me
with the idea of bringing taro
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to the podcast, I was intrigued.
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We met and she encouraged me to buy
my own deck of cards, which I did.
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And then immediately became overwhelmed.
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78 cards all with their
own meaning and symbolism.
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Some of the cards like the
death card, the hanged man.
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The devil.
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They look like they have dire warnings.
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And some have no words at all.
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Just symbols, like the 10 of
cups and the two of Pentacles.
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How was I going to be able to decipher
what the cards were trying to tell me?
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Well, I did what everyone
does when they need answers.
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I went straight to the Google machine
and found a guide online that broke
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down each and every card in the deck.
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And what it meant if it
was straight or reversed.
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And I simply started working with them.
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Asking the Decker question, shuffling
the deck, cutting it into three stacks.
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And then picking a card from each stack.
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Choosing three cards to help
me decipher the answer to the
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question I was asking the deck.
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You know, there are a lot of ways you
can ask the deck for answers and they
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get really intricate with their, layouts.
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And I'm not an advanced enough to do that.
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I'm not advanced enough to do
anything beyond three cards.
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So that will come with time.
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Maybe, hopefully.
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What surprised me about this activity?
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Even just this three card activity was
when I focused on one specific question.
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Pick three cards and examine them
to show me what was happening
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or make sense or give direction
to the question I was asking.
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It actually did end up
making a lot of sense.
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You know, if it hadn't made sense.
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And if I hadn't found value in it, I never
would have brought this episode to you.
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But since it was helpful for me, I thought
it might be helpful for you as well.
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And who better than ONJ to teach
us how we can all get started.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: So Ange,
I don't actually know how long it's
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been, but welcome back to the podcast.
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Mm
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
thank you having me back.
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I'm so um, I feel so honored actually
and very excited because , tarot for me
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is a passion it wasn't something, you
know, I didn't think when I was a little
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i'm gonna be a tarot reader one day
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: hmm.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: The way I
became a tarot reader was pretty I would
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say like in like the side, the side,
um, alleys or roads that you take in
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life, I don't think the exact word in
English, but, hit me a bit by surprise.
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And it's funny because I'm writing
my second memoir at the moment,
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which explains how I went from being
a lawyer to being a tarot reader.
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So it's all very relevant.
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But I did the same thing
as you did, um, when I.
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Two years, two days, sorry, um, it's an
intensive training with a tarot local
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established tarot reader where I live.
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And that's where I learned interesting
techniques on how to let go of all the
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actual meaning of the cards because you
can get attached to it, especially if
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you're left brain and if you're logical.
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But I also did, a wonderful
training they go into so much depth.
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The breadth and depth simply mind blowing,
but not everybody wants to have to do
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that in order to use cards for themselves.
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So I've sort of developed a very
simple method that everybody can use.
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And I think we, when we agreed, when
we talked a couple of months back
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about this bonus episode, that my.
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Intention or my, the passion behind
what I want to share today, with you
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and your audience is that I want to
keep people safe with the tarot because
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I consider that the tarot is like a
double edge, sword or like a knife.
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And if, you know, as if any tool, if
you, you can use it, you can cut yourself
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or you can just make a wonderful meal.
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And I want to make sure that people know,
you know, the pitfalls and how to keep,
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on the straight and narrow with the tarot.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Yeah,
so that leads me to a question.
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So say there's somebody who's
like, okay, I'm interested.
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I want to buy a deck.
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Do they do what I do, go
to Google and find a guide?
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\ how would you suggest people
start with getting into tarot?
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Well, the
first thing is to get a tarot deck and
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I can't remember if I recommended one to
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audioJulieBrown21873199593:
You did recommend ones
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
it was a while back,
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: yeah,
I ended up buying a different one.
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Um, but you did recommend
a couple of them to me.
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Yeah.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Are
you happy with the one that you have?
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Yeah.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Good.
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So you need to use your intuition
to choose your own tarot deck.
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That's exactly how you
should choose a tarot deck.
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Intuition is a big part of it.
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Because tarot decks have
energies of their own.
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Now, I know I'm going to stretch
the minds of your listeners
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a little bit around this.
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Uh, however, I am a Reiki master.
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I know a lot about energy.
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And this is how I was able to explain
to myself why the tarot cards worked.
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So I was a healer first before I was
a tarot reader, and that gave me a
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real, understanding that's quite
different from other tarot readers
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on how exactly this stuff works.
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And it kind of links sort of to
the law of attraction, because
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in a way the tarot works as a
mirror from what's inside of you.
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When you shuffle the cards, everybody
will ask you to shuffle the cards,
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you put your energy into the deck,
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Mm
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: and
the deck then responds to your energy.
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That's how I can put it the
simplest and the least spooky
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way possible for your audience.
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But the proof is in the pudding,
because for me, that's exactly how I
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prove Grass with all these esoteric,
um, techniques that I embraced, you
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know, I was a lawyer to start with.
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And for me, um, I still, I had a pretty
open mind for a lawyer, but for me,
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if it works, I'll continue to use it.
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If it doesn't, I stop.
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And it looks like you had a good
journey with the tarot since we.
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Last spoke, it was helpful.
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I'm super happy that you had this
first hand experience before we talked
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because then you can feed back to me and
tell me, yeah, I think that's useful.
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That's what happened or whatever.
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Have, have you had any difficult
experiences with the tarot?
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: I don't
think I've worked with it enough
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to have a difficult experience yet
because I've just, I've just been
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learning it and reading the cards and
saying, Oh, this is what this means.
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And this is what this means.
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I've only asked it that one question
that one time I've been more trying
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to learn the deck, um, which I think
actually is a really good way for
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me to ask, you know, it's easier to.
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What am I trying to say here?
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So like, to not get bad habits, so can
you, I know that you said, and you didn't
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tell me what they were, but you said
there was three most common mistakes
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people make when using the tarot cards.
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So maybe let's start there because
we don't want to get off on the
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wrong foot when we're starting.
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And I don't want to get off on
the wrong foot either, so I don't
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want, I want to make sure that I
haven't made those three mistakes.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Okay.
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So I can remember two.
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I'll try to remember the third one.
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Probably will come as we discuss.
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No, because I remember writing a
blog post and something back then,
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but, a lot of time has passed.
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So I know that the very
first mistake people make.
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Is to ask the wrong question.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
an art to asking questions.
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Uh, and actually, it's more
than just with the tarot.
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Generally coaches or mentors or people
who try to, help you on your path will
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always try to craft the right question
so that you get the right answer.
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You know, there is, and it's from having
had that experience of 17 years of tarot
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readings, where people come to me and I
know they're asking the wrong question.
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Now, I can't always tell them that,
so I kind of suss out the situation.
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Are they ready to actually
ask the right question?
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And I'll give you a very simple example.
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I'd love to have your feedback on the
tarot readings you've had, because I'm
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kind of interested in people's first hand
experiences of tarot readers as well.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: hmm.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
So, someone came to me and said,
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am I going to marry my boyfriend?
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Well, that, that is
not the right question.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Yeah,
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
That is definitely not the right
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question, but looking back,
insight is such a wonderful thing.
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What you want to ask
is, are we a good fit?
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Are we going to happy together?
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Um, is this going to work out?
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And, and I'm going to give you an example
from what happened to actually me.
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It wasn't a tarot reader.
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It was a psychic medium.
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I went to have my first reading
with American friend, actually,
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who dragged me to see a psychic
in Boston when I visited her.
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And, um, I, I even remember
the name of the guy.
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He was called George.
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And I asked exactly that question.
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That's why I can make fun of myself.
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I'm not making fun of one of my clients.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: I think
everybody who's gone to a tarot
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reader has asked that question.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: exactly.
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And the psychic medium said, I hope
you want to marry him because you will.
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Right?
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Well, that was, that was definitely
a message, very subtle message.
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Let me know.
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I might not be as happy as I thought
I would be marrying that man.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Right.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: He was
very subtle and very good because if I was
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ready to hear that, I would have heard it.
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But because I wasn't, I went straight
into the marriage and divorced
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a few years later with quite a
few scars and missing feathers.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Mm
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
You know what I mean?
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So, so asking the right
question is so important.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593:
So I do like saying it.
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Instead of are we gonna stay
together, are we gonna be
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together, it is, are we a good fit?
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Which you can sort of do in
all of your relationships.
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Like, any relationship you're
in, you're like, why am I
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struggling with this relationship?
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Am I a good fit?
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Am I pushing it?
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Am I like, whatever?
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: yeah.
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Or what can I do to make
the relationship work?
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Mm
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
Do you know what I mean?
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It's not that subtle, but it's a shift.
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Okay.
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So that's the top, the first,
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: hmm.
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Asking questions
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
um, mistake people make.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Well,
I wouldn't say incorrectly, but what I
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suggest is that people first write down
their question before they ask the deck.
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Because very often by the
time you get the answer, you
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forgot what question you asked.
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You forgot exactly what wording you used.
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And all that is super important because
from the words that you use, you can
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get a completely different answer.
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So I would say take as long as you can.
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I got the third, um, third tip.
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So that's it.
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I'm complete now.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
First one, ask the right question.
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But don't panic about asking the
wrong one first, just make it a game,
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get the feedback and do it again
until you understand what's going on.
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And it's very often a good idea to ask,
is it the right time to ask this question?
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Am I ready to ask the question?
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Because we're not always ready to hear the
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Mm
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: So
I would say this is my first tip.
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Um, the second one, second biggest
mistake is to ask the same question
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until you get the answer that you want.
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I've done that as well.
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you done any of these Julie?
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Because, you know, you've been
having fun and you wanted to
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know if you made those mistakes.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: hmm.
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No!
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
tell our audience, your audience,
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: know, in
my tarot card reading, I did go when
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a boyfriend and I broke up, and I did
ask that tarot card reader if we were
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gonna get back together, and she was
quite adamant about the fact that,
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that we were not getting back together.
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And then she was also a psychic,
and she went on to say...
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To perfectly describe the man that I ended
up marrying, which was completely crazy.
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Like, she was like, I will tell
you who you're going to marry.
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He looks like this.
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He does this, like
whatever, blah, blah, blah.
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And I was like, okay, this woman's
cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, you know?
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And then, um, fast forward, however
many years later, I mean, it
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was probably, four years later.
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I never thought of those words
that she mentioned until my
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husband asked me to marry him.
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And when he was asking me to
marry him, I was like, Oh, like
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I remembered everything she said.
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I was like, she knew she could see him on.
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But then, you know, when I was
starting my own business, I did.
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I went to, I talked about success and.
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Was this the right, was this the right
time, was this the right business, was I
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ready, um, I've asked about my husband's
business, not so, I don't know, I
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mean, not that the answers would have
changed my mind, but I almost was like,
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looking for positive reinforcement,
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: And you
know what, this is a very important and
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there's nothing wrong when we take a risk.
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That is trustworthy and that
you trust, then they can just
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give you that little nudge.
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And for me, for years, whatever
psychics readings they were done
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for me, it was always a confirmation
of something I already knew.
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But when it's your intuition speaking and
you don't trust it just yet, it's nice
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to have that reinforcement, isn't it?
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, like I said, it wasn't going
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to change me from, I was still going
to go through with it, I just, I don't
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know, I trusted my own gut, that's what
I was doing, but you always want somebody
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else to say, yeah, this is, or not even
somebody else, like you want the universe
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to say that this is the right decision,
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
yeah, yeah, yeah.
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As I said, I think it's,
um, it's human to want that
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reinforcement, that encouragement.
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Um, and I don't think there's
anything wrong with that.
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So, but, um, my question was also directed
as when you did readings for yourself.
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Did you ask the right question?
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Did you ask the same again until you
got the answer you wanted to hear?
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: I only did
it once, and I, I, I gotta be honest,
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I didn't write down the question
so I don't exactly remember what it
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was, but, um, you know, I've, I've
changed some things in my business.
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Over the past year, I've sort of
dissolved the consultancy part of my
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business and now pretty much speak and
coach full time, and with that came
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some growing pains and some changes
to reoccurring revenue and, just.
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financial, it was a financial thing,
shift that happened in the business.
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And so when you let go a very
lucrative part of the business to grow
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another part that gives you more joy.
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There's some financial
ramifications, um, with that.
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And so, I think I asked something to the
effect of, did I make the right decision?
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Like, even though this is hard,
is this the right decision?
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And I pulled the three cards, and
so, somewhere I had read that, you
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could interpret the three cards
as past, present, and future.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
Yes, that's right.
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Yeah, that's a good one.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593:
it rang complete.
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I wish I had taken notes when I did it.
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but it rang completely true about where
I was, you know, where I have the company
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had been and where it was now financially.
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And then it had a really,
really bright sort of card
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interpretation for the future.
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And it just made me feel really good.
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So
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
That's perfect.
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It's absolutely perfect.
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Yeah.
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So congratulations.
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You avoided at least two, I think
three actually of the top mistakes.
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Do you want me to get
on with the third one?
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audioJulieBrown21873199593:
I would love that.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
Oh yes, we did.
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Yeah.
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So the third one is don't use tarot
cards when you're feeling depressed.
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Okay, and I'm not using that word
lightly, um, but it could also be
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when you're feeling really down or
discouraged or very dark when you, when
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you're feeling dark, dark emotions.
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And the reason is, is the tarot, because
it's a mirror, it reflects back to
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you, um, you would probably interpret
all the cards that you're seeing as
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the worst possible interpretation.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Yeah,
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: So,
for that reason, I don't encourage
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people to use the tarot cards when
they're feeling down, or when they're
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feeling in a very difficult...
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It's better to ask someone else to
read them for you, because they'll have
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a bit of distance from the problem.
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And also, um, I mean,
there's oracle cards.
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I think they're better for that,
because they don't have the
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death card like you mentioned at
the very start of this episode.
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They don't have the hanged man and all
these things that can really trigger us.
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When we see these cards
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for someone who might do that on their
own, especially if they haven't done
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any therapy, or if they haven't done
any self reflection, or if they don't
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journal, that can be a bit tricky.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: You know,
I think a lot of the times that I've
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had my cards read, the people that
read them were also intuitives, or
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sensitives, or psychics, or mediums,
and So I think that there was a lot more
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going on in that reading, um, because
I've had some, so tarot card readers
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who, reading my cards, they just said
things to me that they could never know,
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the cards would never tell them this.
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And so if somebody's listening, saying,
hey, I would like to use this tool for
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myself for answers, but I'm not intuitive,
I'm not psychic, I don't have a third eye,
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I'm not an, uh, you know, a sensitive,
what is your advice to people who are,
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like, don't have those other abilities.
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Like I don't have the, I don't
have those other abilities.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
is a very, very good question.
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First of all, I'm going
to debunk one myth.
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Everybody's intuitive.
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Not everybody's psychic,
but everybody's intuitive.
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It's built into us as a sort
of protection mechanism.
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It's that gut feeling that you
get, uh, that we all get as kids.
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And the only reason why we don't think
we're intuitive is because it's been
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knocked out of us through schooling.
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So, we're all intuitive.
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You don't need to be psychic to
benefit from the tarot, because
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the tarot is actually going to help
you tune into your own intuition.
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What's really important is to set
an intention for your tarot deck.
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So for me, I asked that my readings with
my tarot deck and I, I sort of, it's not
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consecrate, it's too big a word, but I
always set an intent for each of my decks.
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And it's always that I want the
readings to be helpful, to be, um,
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uplifting and to be inspirational.
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Now you could set your intent to
whatever you might want to set
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your intent that it's accurate.
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be accurate and it's, it's good
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to play with different words and
maybe I encourage people to actually
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start an intuition journal, right?
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Like this and in it, so you've done
only one reading, but now if you
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want to do more, write down it.
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Your question, what card you're getting,
what do you think it means, and then
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leave a space, I've left space here
for example, so that I can get back
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to it in two, three, four weeks time,
four months, when I actually get the
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confirmation, when the thing actually
happens, and then I can get back and
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say, Oh, what did I read back then?
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Because what you want is to do some
detective work on your own intuition
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so that you trust it more and more.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
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I should have done that.
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I should have, um,
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
Does that make sense?
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audioJulieBrown21873199593:
yes, I should have done that.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
But you didn't know,
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: I didn't,
yeah, I guess that's why you're here.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
exactly, that's why I'm here.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: I should
have had the journal and I should have
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said this was the question I asked and
these were the cards that I pulled.
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So, um,
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: and
that, that's fine, now you know,
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and, and your audience will know.
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This is exactly why I
wanted to come here today.
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Because I don't think there's only so much
you can learn on Google about this stuff.
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And...
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And then there's people who have
the experience, the first lived
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experience, and then I think these
people have, you know, an input.
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And, and of course everybody's different.
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Some people will like
me, some people won't.
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And I'm not taking this personally.
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There's, um, as many flavors of tarot
readers and tarot teachers as there are
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pupils and, and different, affinities.
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But I like to keep it.
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It's super simple.
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Maybe it's because of
my lawyer's background.
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I like to keep it practical and grounded.
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And I will say to you one thing that's
really helped in, um, both training
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that I did with the tarot, is that,
yeah, it's okay to try to learn all the
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meaning, but you'll never remember it all.
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Not in the moment.
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So it's okay to check the little book
that comes with your tarot whilst
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you build your confidence with it.
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But what you want to do, even if you
read the book, is when you open it and
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you read sentences, Check within your
body the ones that resonate with you,
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and that's how you're going to know
what is correct and what doesn't matter.
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By reading it, you will have
a feeling inside your body.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: So, when
it comes to networking and business
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development, what are the kinds of
questions we could ask the deck?
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Like,
suppose we met, you and I met in
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a networking event, and you want
to know if I'm a good prospect.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: Mm
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
Just ask the cards, you see.
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Should I pursue her?
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Should I, you know, try to organize
a one to one meeting with her?
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What kind of synergies
could happen between us?
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All these questions you can ask the card.
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audioJulieBrown21873199593: hmm.
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Okay.
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audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: It
can save you wasting your time on
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someone, for example, that is really
not a good match with who you are.
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If you think about someone, but you're
feeling guilty, you're like, I don't know
446
00:21:55,242 --> 00:21:57,982
this person from, you know, a bar soap.
447
00:21:58,022 --> 00:22:00,082
Why am I having this
reaction to that person?
448
00:22:00,082 --> 00:22:01,402
You're feeling bad about it.
449
00:22:01,752 --> 00:22:04,222
And you want to see, is
there something in it?
450
00:22:04,222 --> 00:22:07,772
You know, is it because I was having
a bad day or is it really that I need
451
00:22:07,782 --> 00:22:09,042
to be careful around that person?
452
00:22:09,212 --> 00:22:10,582
Pull a card and you'll get the answer.
453
00:22:11,002 --> 00:22:12,402
And I'll teach you a technique.
454
00:22:12,432 --> 00:22:15,012
And I don't know if you found
that on your Google journey,
455
00:22:15,257 --> 00:22:15,697
audioJulieBrown21873199593: No.
456
00:22:15,807 --> 00:22:16,097
All right.
457
00:22:16,107 --> 00:22:17,237
So, should I take out my card?
458
00:22:17,497 --> 00:22:18,627
Should I take out my deck right now?
459
00:22:18,657 --> 00:22:19,137
Okay.
460
00:22:19,137 --> 00:22:19,447
Okay.
461
00:22:19,557 --> 00:22:20,827
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
I will show you a technique
462
00:22:20,827 --> 00:22:22,477
to ask a yes or no question.
463
00:22:22,487 --> 00:22:26,127
Have you found a technique online to
ask a yes or no question yet or not?
464
00:22:26,192 --> 00:22:26,922
audioJulieBrown21873199593: I got my deck.
465
00:22:27,997 --> 00:22:28,327
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Okay.
466
00:22:28,327 --> 00:22:32,177
So what you do first, you knock your deck
because that kind of clears the energy
467
00:22:32,227 --> 00:22:35,877
really quickly from everything else you
would have done before because the deck
468
00:22:35,887 --> 00:22:37,957
gets builds energy from all the readings.
469
00:22:37,967 --> 00:22:40,087
So you want to clear
the, yeah, the energy.
470
00:22:40,647 --> 00:22:41,717
Then you shuffle it.
471
00:22:41,747 --> 00:22:44,777
No, actually, then what you
do, you split it in two.
472
00:22:45,172 --> 00:22:45,502
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
473
00:22:46,452 --> 00:22:48,802
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
And then you turn one upside down,
474
00:22:49,612 --> 00:22:50,762
and you get it back together.
475
00:22:51,242 --> 00:22:54,372
So you have half the cards, at least
half the cards, especially if it's
476
00:22:54,372 --> 00:22:58,812
new, that are going to be upside,
um, upright, or, uh, reversed.
477
00:22:58,882 --> 00:22:59,202
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Yep.
478
00:23:00,102 --> 00:23:02,332
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Then
you shuffle, and you ask your question.
479
00:23:02,422 --> 00:23:04,712
Now you want to focus on your
question whilst you shuffle.
480
00:23:04,722 --> 00:23:08,462
So you have a question you want to ask
now, that would be a yes or no answer.
481
00:23:09,072 --> 00:23:12,212
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Um,
I, I, Of course I'm blanking!
482
00:23:14,197 --> 00:23:14,757
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Okay.
483
00:23:14,767 --> 00:23:15,097
Okay.
484
00:23:15,097 --> 00:23:15,307
Okay.
485
00:23:15,307 --> 00:23:15,677
Okay.
486
00:23:15,887 --> 00:23:18,677
So let's ask, I'm going to ask my
deck and you can ask your deck,
487
00:23:18,797 --> 00:23:22,017
is this episode is going to be
useful for you to audience, right?
488
00:23:22,107 --> 00:23:23,067
Let's have a bit of fun.
489
00:23:23,472 --> 00:23:23,832
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
490
00:23:24,347 --> 00:23:26,867
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
So is this episode going to
491
00:23:26,867 --> 00:23:29,387
have a good, be beneficial?
492
00:23:29,790 --> 00:23:33,070
One or two, three times in your mind so
that you really focus your mind on that.
493
00:23:33,195 --> 00:23:33,655
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
494
00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:39,420
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: And then
you pull the card out and it doesn't
495
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:43,320
matter how you pull it, where you
pull it and whether you turn it around
496
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,230
when you do, and then you, thank you.
497
00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:49,840
Um, and then, right, you have an
upright and I have an upright.
498
00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:50,940
This is a yes.
499
00:23:51,555 --> 00:23:52,495
audioJulieBrown21873199593: King of Wands.
500
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:54,940
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
card, yeah, the card doesn't matter.
501
00:23:55,075 --> 00:23:56,015
audioJulieBrown21873199593:
it doesn't matter!
502
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:59,190
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: no, what
matters is if it's upright or reversed.
503
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,690
If it's upright, it's a yes.
504
00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:01,480
If it's reversed,
505
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,800
audioJulieBrown21873199593:
Oh, I actually pulled it up.
506
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,270
I pulled it this way and then
turned it to show it to you.
507
00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:08,290
So mine was upside down.
508
00:24:09,385 --> 00:24:10,735
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: so
mine is a yes and yours is a no.
509
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:12,670
audioJulieBrown21873199593:
the odds on this one.
510
00:24:13,915 --> 00:24:16,375
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Well,
what I would take out of this is
511
00:24:16,375 --> 00:24:19,765
that not all of your audience is
going to enjoy the episode, but it
512
00:24:19,765 --> 00:24:21,805
will be relevant for some, right?
513
00:24:22,205 --> 00:24:23,965
That's useful actually as an information.
514
00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:27,940
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Let's say
I had a question about my business.
515
00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:34,690
For example, I a lot of times have
to go back and forth with potential
516
00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:39,130
clients and I have to decide, if
they don't have my full fee, is this
517
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:43,880
a client that I should still work
with and discount my fee because.
518
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:46,940
I like the group or I
like, you know, whatever.
519
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,530
Um, but that is a business decision
that I have to make over and over
520
00:24:50,530 --> 00:24:52,210
again with potential clients.
521
00:24:52,210 --> 00:24:54,900
Like, is that something I could ask the
522
00:24:55,285 --> 00:24:55,955
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: absolutely.
523
00:24:56,245 --> 00:24:58,085
Yeah, you ask it the way I've shown you,
524
00:24:58,318 --> 00:25:00,338
audioJulieBrown21873199593: So I
have a, I have a potential client
525
00:25:00,338 --> 00:25:01,728
that I met with this morning.
526
00:25:02,298 --> 00:25:06,398
There's no way they would have
my fee, but I still, like, I,
527
00:25:06,638 --> 00:25:08,318
it would be a feel good event.
528
00:25:08,418 --> 00:25:12,648
But it still does take a day out of
my calendar that I have to travel
529
00:25:12,658 --> 00:25:15,538
to the event, so I have to decide on
530
00:25:15,578 --> 00:25:17,328
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
how would you phrase the question?
531
00:25:17,378 --> 00:25:18,178
How would you phrase that?
532
00:25:18,188 --> 00:25:19,828
We're going to have a bit
of a little play with that.
533
00:25:19,928 --> 00:25:26,583
audioJulieBrown21873199593: okay,
I guess the question would be, One
534
00:25:26,583 --> 00:25:30,083
of the questions would, if I decide
yes, well, you know, would it be,
535
00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:36,653
will I regret taking on this client
or should I take on this client?
536
00:25:39,103 --> 00:25:39,683
Um,
537
00:25:39,688 --> 00:25:42,488
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: So I
think the second one is not precise
538
00:25:42,488 --> 00:25:46,798
enough because you should say, should
I take this client at the rate that, or
539
00:25:46,948 --> 00:25:48,868
whatever, you add the price behind it.
540
00:25:48,923 --> 00:25:50,153
audioJulieBrown21873199593: So
I think that's a good question.
541
00:25:50,163 --> 00:25:55,753
Should I take this client at
a 75 percent reduced rate?
542
00:25:56,378 --> 00:25:56,728
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Okay.
543
00:25:57,248 --> 00:25:59,448
Go focus, do what I've just
544
00:26:00,463 --> 00:26:02,283
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Do I
have to tap at the deck because,
545
00:26:02,598 --> 00:26:04,348
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: asked
you to do and ask the question.
546
00:26:05,073 --> 00:26:06,783
Yes, because we asked the question before,
547
00:26:06,883 --> 00:26:07,193
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
548
00:26:07,374 --> 00:26:09,364
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: you
shuffle them without looking at them.
549
00:26:09,464 --> 00:26:09,774
Yeah.
550
00:26:09,914 --> 00:26:12,204
So with your deck It's
difficult to see which one is
551
00:26:12,384 --> 00:26:14,214
audioJulieBrown21873199593:
Oh, I forgot to, um, cut it.
552
00:26:14,294 --> 00:26:15,434
I forgot to cut it in half.
553
00:26:16,094 --> 00:26:16,554
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: That's fine
554
00:26:17,349 --> 00:26:17,509
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay,
555
00:26:17,704 --> 00:26:18,204
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
Just do it now
556
00:26:18,479 --> 00:26:19,259
audioJulieBrown21873199593:
Okay, so I'll cut
557
00:26:19,274 --> 00:26:20,644
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
cut it in half turn it around
558
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:21,569
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
559
00:26:22,379 --> 00:26:23,759
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
and just focus on that question.
560
00:26:23,789 --> 00:26:24,979
Should I take on?
561
00:26:25,209 --> 00:26:28,319
Just think of the name
at 75 percent of my rate
562
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:34,459
You could add, you could phrase
it slightly differently saying,
563
00:26:34,579 --> 00:26:36,039
would it be for my highest good?
564
00:26:36,949 --> 00:26:37,119
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Mm
565
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:38,819
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
To da da da.
566
00:26:39,239 --> 00:26:44,379
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay,
so I'm now pulling out a card.
567
00:26:45,179 --> 00:26:45,649
Uh oh.
568
00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:46,949
It's upside down.
569
00:26:47,509 --> 00:26:48,659
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
Okay, that means no.
570
00:26:49,209 --> 00:26:49,799
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
571
00:26:50,909 --> 00:26:52,259
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
How do you feel about that no
572
00:26:52,349 --> 00:26:55,229
audioJulieBrown21873199593: I feel
bad about it because I like them.
573
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:56,819
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: Okay,
574
00:26:57,233 --> 00:27:03,823
So what you could do next is to journal
around that no, how you feel and is
575
00:27:03,823 --> 00:27:09,063
it just guilt and in which case you
can overcome that guilt and just tune
576
00:27:09,063 --> 00:27:12,463
into actually how you feel about doing
it or not and you can override the
577
00:27:12,463 --> 00:27:15,473
cards because I don't think there's
going to be any dire consequences
578
00:27:15,513 --> 00:27:17,203
if you decided to do it anyway.
579
00:27:17,693 --> 00:27:19,273
But you could ask another question.
580
00:27:19,873 --> 00:27:24,663
So, If we wrote down the question that
we just asked, should I do it for 25%?
581
00:27:24,923 --> 00:27:29,083
Maybe you could ask the question, um,
should I work with this client at 50%?
582
00:27:29,423 --> 00:27:29,873
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Okay.
583
00:27:30,253 --> 00:27:30,463
Yep.
584
00:27:30,523 --> 00:27:30,963
Okay.
585
00:27:31,183 --> 00:27:31,973
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
The bar a little bit.
586
00:27:32,093 --> 00:27:33,403
Let's see if it's a yes at that.
587
00:27:34,583 --> 00:27:35,313
audioJulieBrown21873199593:
So I'm gonna cut
588
00:27:35,373 --> 00:27:37,763
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: That's
why I said don't ask just the one thing.
589
00:27:38,143 --> 00:27:40,813
Add the price at the back because
that's the defining factor for you.
590
00:27:41,513 --> 00:27:42,863
There's something in there, right?
591
00:27:43,058 --> 00:27:43,418
audioJulieBrown21873199593: okay.
592
00:27:43,631 --> 00:27:46,131
It's the same card, but
it's this, it's straight up.
593
00:27:46,391 --> 00:27:47,271
How weird is that?
594
00:27:47,271 --> 00:27:47,741
Is this safe?
595
00:27:48,161 --> 00:27:51,811
I don't know if anybody, this is,
again, this is not a visual medium,
596
00:27:51,841 --> 00:28:01,191
but to pull the same exact card
out of 78 cards, that's crazy.
597
00:28:01,221 --> 00:28:03,131
To pull the same exact card.
598
00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:04,096
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
you do the maths.
599
00:28:04,136 --> 00:28:06,996
I don't do the maths anymore,
but it's, I agree with you.
600
00:28:07,346 --> 00:28:10,046
So by going, see if you hadn't asked that.
601
00:28:10,276 --> 00:28:15,256
75 or 50, you wouldn't have
actually a precise answer.
602
00:28:15,446 --> 00:28:19,656
If you had stopped, I, shall I work with
them at 75 percent and it was a no, you
603
00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:20,966
wouldn't have worked with them at all.
604
00:28:21,236 --> 00:28:24,736
But you go to the next question and
next, it's an inquisitive process.
605
00:28:25,076 --> 00:28:28,736
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Yeah, how
weird is it to pull the same exact card
606
00:28:28,736 --> 00:28:31,656
on the same question and have it be?
607
00:28:31,871 --> 00:28:35,011
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: I always
say it's, yeah, it's weird and wonderful.
608
00:28:35,021 --> 00:28:37,001
Don't forget to add the
wonderful at the end.
609
00:28:37,116 --> 00:28:40,136
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Yeah, um,
610
00:28:40,711 --> 00:28:41,251
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: I love it.
611
00:28:41,836 --> 00:28:44,546
audioJulieBrown21873199593: I I'm shocked
by this that it's the same exact cards.
612
00:28:44,566 --> 00:28:48,606
Um, this is the two of What is it?
613
00:28:48,651 --> 00:28:51,171
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: I think
it's the two of wands and there's
614
00:28:51,171 --> 00:28:54,881
a card about, I'm going to say as
a joke, it's the card of the war.
615
00:28:56,841 --> 00:28:57,651
It's called domination.
616
00:28:58,291 --> 00:29:00,701
It's the card of the person
who has success, who's happy.
617
00:29:00,981 --> 00:29:01,911
So you have that.
618
00:29:01,961 --> 00:29:03,301
It's not just the card.
619
00:29:03,551 --> 00:29:05,341
It's also just the upright or not.
620
00:29:05,441 --> 00:29:07,971
Then if you want, you can
explore the meaning of the card.
621
00:29:08,181 --> 00:29:12,121
You got a yes, but it was this
card, not the 77 other cards.
622
00:29:12,351 --> 00:29:14,391
So you can go deeper into
the meaning of the card.
623
00:29:14,781 --> 00:29:19,971
So this is a, an extremely positive card
to get for your answer, especially at 50%.
624
00:29:19,991 --> 00:29:23,521
So what you need to do is trust
that client a little bit and
625
00:29:23,521 --> 00:29:24,511
see if they're going to bite.
626
00:29:25,251 --> 00:29:26,131
It's going to be good for them.
627
00:29:27,441 --> 00:29:31,351
Because they need to have more belief
in their, whatever they're doing.
628
00:29:32,571 --> 00:29:36,131
And it's better for you because
you don't give away 75 percent
629
00:29:36,576 --> 00:29:37,096
audioJulieBrown21873199593: right.
630
00:29:37,396 --> 00:29:38,741
Yeah No,
631
00:29:38,841 --> 00:29:40,161
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
how the tarot can help with
632
00:29:40,171 --> 00:29:41,291
such a simple decision.
633
00:29:41,561 --> 00:29:46,691
But as we discussed earlier, it's the
art of asking the right question and
634
00:29:46,691 --> 00:29:50,951
then questioning the answer with more
questions until you get to a point where
635
00:29:50,961 --> 00:29:53,161
you feel good about whatever is happening.
636
00:29:53,981 --> 00:29:56,451
audioJulieBrown21873199593: is there
a point of like oversaturation where
637
00:29:56,451 --> 00:29:59,891
you're just asking too many questions
and you're just doing it too much?
638
00:30:00,921 --> 00:30:02,381
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
Just as you would in any normal
639
00:30:02,381 --> 00:30:04,001
decision process in your business.
640
00:30:04,386 --> 00:30:08,451
You can overthink things and you can
exhaust yourself and also You know,
641
00:30:08,591 --> 00:30:12,231
um, top mistake number two, asking
the same question again and again,
642
00:30:12,301 --> 00:30:15,781
and then you confuse the cards as
well because the cards are saying,
643
00:30:16,031 --> 00:30:17,331
I gave you the answer already.
644
00:30:17,341 --> 00:30:18,421
Why are you asking again?
645
00:30:19,171 --> 00:30:21,851
I'm fed up with you and they
might mess with you then.
646
00:30:22,151 --> 00:30:23,401
And I've had that happen to me.
647
00:30:24,271 --> 00:30:26,781
If I don't trust the answers I'm
getting first and I ask three days
648
00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:29,771
later the same question, unless I
say to the cards, look, I'm so sorry.
649
00:30:29,771 --> 00:30:30,941
I'm not confident at the moment.
650
00:30:30,941 --> 00:30:32,671
I really need that bit of reinforcement.
651
00:30:32,861 --> 00:30:33,251
Okay.
652
00:30:33,381 --> 00:30:36,071
But if you mess with the cards, the
cards are going to mess with you.
653
00:30:36,591 --> 00:30:37,671
It's that mirror thing.
654
00:30:41,841 --> 00:30:44,511
audioJulieBrown21873199593: So, I
mean, I just, I, I found, I, you
655
00:30:44,511 --> 00:30:47,471
know what, I know we pulled, you
and I both pulled one upside down
656
00:30:47,511 --> 00:30:49,991
and one right side up about whether
or not this was going to be useful.
657
00:30:50,491 --> 00:30:54,671
It's been supremely useful for me right
now just in doing this little exercise
658
00:30:54,671 --> 00:30:56,921
with the cards right this second.
659
00:30:57,551 --> 00:31:01,941
I want to go back to how we
decided to do this, episode.
660
00:31:01,941 --> 00:31:06,041
Were you doing something
specifically tarot for networking?
661
00:31:06,571 --> 00:31:07,991
Can you refresh my memory?
662
00:31:08,141 --> 00:31:10,301
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: I
don't remember precisely, but I
663
00:31:10,311 --> 00:31:14,061
wanted to make sure that people
had enough, it's becoming popular.
664
00:31:14,291 --> 00:31:17,721
I see blogs everywhere, but not
everybody knows enough about
665
00:31:17,721 --> 00:31:19,181
that tarot to do it right.
666
00:31:19,231 --> 00:31:23,561
And I wanted to make sure that your
audience had that bit of information
667
00:31:23,561 --> 00:31:25,111
that's useful to get started.
668
00:31:25,508 --> 00:31:28,448
So I think that's how we got, and
you said, Oh, that sounds like a
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00:31:28,448 --> 00:31:30,308
great idea for my Halloween special.
670
00:31:30,308 --> 00:31:32,778
And I thought, yeah,
let's spook everyone out.
671
00:31:33,198 --> 00:31:34,128
I've spooked you.
672
00:31:35,798 --> 00:31:37,658
Your tarot spooked you with this card.
673
00:31:38,198 --> 00:31:38,918
Perfect!
674
00:31:39,078 --> 00:31:40,898
audioJulieBrown21873199593:
with the same exact.
675
00:31:41,678 --> 00:31:46,858
Like, I can't, like, statistically,
to shuffle the deck out of 78 cards
676
00:31:46,858 --> 00:31:52,018
and pull the same exact card is
just statistically unbelievable.
677
00:31:52,868 --> 00:31:55,648
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593: so, Julie,
write this in your intuition journal.
678
00:31:55,878 --> 00:31:58,018
You've learned something, you've
learned lots of interesting things.
679
00:31:58,018 --> 00:31:59,858
You might want to write them
in your, in your journal as
680
00:31:59,858 --> 00:32:00,958
well, so you remember them.
681
00:32:01,218 --> 00:32:04,888
Well, obviously you'll be able to listen
to the, to the recording and then.
682
00:32:05,288 --> 00:32:07,508
That particular reading,
that was super powerful.
683
00:32:07,528 --> 00:32:10,638
Even the one where we got reversed,
I had one and you had the other.
684
00:32:10,668 --> 00:32:12,468
I think it's still very valuable.
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00:32:13,253 --> 00:32:14,223
audioJulieBrown21873199593:
Yeah, definitely.
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00:32:14,768 --> 00:32:15,828
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
The interest is not always
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00:32:15,828 --> 00:32:17,048
to get the yes or the no.
688
00:32:17,308 --> 00:32:19,988
It's in interpreting what
does that really mean?
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00:32:21,003 --> 00:32:24,053
audioJulieBrown21873199593: I hope
this, just this little thing that we
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00:32:24,053 --> 00:32:29,433
did makes people curious enough, if they
weren't already curious enough to say.
691
00:32:30,073 --> 00:32:31,093
How can I use this?
692
00:32:31,093 --> 00:32:34,423
This sounds like something really
interesting, and informative.
693
00:32:34,483 --> 00:32:35,873
And this is another tool.
694
00:32:36,013 --> 00:32:38,273
It's not the only tool that you're
going to use in your business,
695
00:32:38,283 --> 00:32:39,713
but this is another tool.
696
00:32:40,183 --> 00:32:41,323
And I agree.
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00:32:41,323 --> 00:32:43,393
I think more and more people are using it.
698
00:32:43,403 --> 00:32:45,013
I'm super excited that we did this.
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00:32:45,593 --> 00:32:46,483
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
And it's healthy.
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00:32:47,153 --> 00:32:49,673
It is healthy to approach that
kind of thing with the skepticism
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00:32:49,683 --> 00:32:52,493
because you don't want to be
enrolled into some sort of weird
702
00:32:52,493 --> 00:32:55,043
cult or, you know, crazy practice.
703
00:32:55,533 --> 00:32:59,543
But I think it's the experimentation
and keeping an open mind.
704
00:32:59,603 --> 00:33:01,903
Always use your
discernment as well, right?
705
00:33:02,163 --> 00:33:05,593
You don't want to decide on a 10
million dollar investment only
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00:33:05,593 --> 00:33:07,103
on the basis of the tarot cards.
707
00:33:07,503 --> 00:33:09,813
You got to use your,
your, you're not here.
708
00:33:10,253 --> 00:33:13,243
When you do the tarot, you're
not here to put your business
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00:33:13,313 --> 00:33:15,423
acumen behind you, right?
710
00:33:15,553 --> 00:33:17,883
It's supposed to enhance everything else.
711
00:33:18,183 --> 00:33:18,943
Does that make sense?
712
00:33:18,943 --> 00:33:19,028
So
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00:33:19,113 --> 00:33:19,503
audioJulieBrown21873199593: Yeah.
714
00:33:20,333 --> 00:33:22,513
Well, thank you so much for being here.
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00:33:22,523 --> 00:33:25,373
This was I I enjoyed it.
716
00:33:25,943 --> 00:33:27,053
I had a lot of fun.
717
00:33:27,063 --> 00:33:30,513
So I'm so glad that you suggested
this and that we actually ended
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00:33:30,513 --> 00:33:32,063
up doing it as a bonus episode.
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00:33:32,958 --> 00:33:34,228
audioAngeDeLumiere11873199593:
Thank you for having me.
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00:33:34,328 --> 00:33:35,388
It's always such a pleasure.
721
00:33:38,594 --> 00:33:41,024
Was this episode, a little booboo.
722
00:33:41,654 --> 00:33:42,314
Yes.
723
00:33:42,794 --> 00:33:44,234
Am I still totally into it.
724
00:33:45,194 --> 00:33:46,064
Also, yes.
725
00:33:46,784 --> 00:33:51,404
I have to tell you that quick
exercise that we did with me asking
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00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:54,524
the deck, that question about
taking that gig at a reduced rate.
727
00:33:54,974 --> 00:33:58,724
And then getting the same
fucking card twice in a row.
728
00:33:59,114 --> 00:34:03,824
After shuffling, cutting and
shuffling again, like that's uncanny.
729
00:34:04,634 --> 00:34:06,344
And even though it was the same card.
730
00:34:06,584 --> 00:34:10,484
It was different answers because in
one question it was straight up and
731
00:34:10,484 --> 00:34:12,254
in the other one, it was a reversed.
732
00:34:12,583 --> 00:34:13,184
Like what.
733
00:34:13,543 --> 00:34:16,904
How's it possible to go through all that
and pick up the same exact fucking card.
734
00:34:17,833 --> 00:34:19,214
The card was the two of wants.
735
00:34:20,324 --> 00:34:23,204
So I decided to dig a little
further into the card because
736
00:34:23,384 --> 00:34:26,414
it can't just be a coincidence
that it came up twice in a row.
737
00:34:26,444 --> 00:34:27,014
Right.
738
00:34:27,974 --> 00:34:31,813
You know, the second time I asked
it was, you know, the second
739
00:34:31,813 --> 00:34:33,494
time I asked it, it was upright.
740
00:34:33,734 --> 00:34:38,444
It meant that I should say yes to the
opportunity at that 50% reduced rate.
741
00:34:39,614 --> 00:34:40,724
Upon further research.
742
00:34:40,754 --> 00:34:45,494
I learned that the upright two of
wands predict success in creative
743
00:34:45,494 --> 00:34:49,694
ventures, especially those that
involve partnership or cooperation.
744
00:34:50,204 --> 00:34:53,864
Oh, my gosh, when it comes to
money and progress at work, or as
745
00:34:53,864 --> 00:34:57,554
an entrepreneur, the two of wands
represents financial stability.
746
00:34:57,914 --> 00:35:01,784
Moreover, it urges you to survey
the situation carefully and
747
00:35:01,784 --> 00:35:04,214
then create a plan for success.
748
00:35:04,484 --> 00:35:09,434
This is literally the exact type of
business advice I was, uh, looking for.
749
00:35:09,884 --> 00:35:13,544
When it came to this particular client
and this particular question of whether
750
00:35:13,544 --> 00:35:14,834
or not to work with this client.
751
00:35:16,994 --> 00:35:17,504
No.
752
00:35:18,764 --> 00:35:22,844
After this, I think I'm going to be
tuning into this deck a lot in the future.
753
00:35:23,714 --> 00:35:27,584
What do you think, would you trust the
taro to help you make business decisions?
754
00:35:27,614 --> 00:35:30,164
Or is this a little too out there for you?
755
00:35:30,914 --> 00:35:31,694
Anyways, let me know.
756
00:35:31,754 --> 00:35:34,424
I can't wait to hear if you
have your own tarot stories.
757
00:35:35,444 --> 00:35:35,714
Okay.
758
00:35:35,714 --> 00:35:39,824
It's that time onto the drink of the
week, which is the fortune teller
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00:35:39,854 --> 00:35:43,214
cocktail from the cosmic cocktails book.
760
00:35:43,394 --> 00:35:44,204
Here's what you're going to need.
761
00:35:45,254 --> 00:35:50,444
One and a half ounces of Blanco tequila,
one ounce of Sherry, one ounce of cherry
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00:35:50,444 --> 00:35:52,544
liqour and a lemon peel for garnish.
763
00:35:52,544 --> 00:35:55,184
What you're going to do is you're
going to fill a rocks glass with ice.
764
00:35:55,544 --> 00:35:59,204
And then add the liquors and stir
and garnish with a lemon peel.
765
00:35:59,654 --> 00:36:02,474
That's a strong ass drink, dude.
766
00:36:02,534 --> 00:36:05,894
I mean, You don't need a
fortune teller to tell you no.
767
00:36:06,374 --> 00:36:08,384
You're going to be tipsy
after you drink that one.
768
00:36:09,464 --> 00:36:09,854
Okay.
769
00:36:10,154 --> 00:36:10,634
All right, friends.
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00:36:10,634 --> 00:36:11,564
That's all for this week.
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772
00:36:14,114 --> 00:36:15,254
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00:36:15,254 --> 00:36:18,254
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00:36:18,284 --> 00:36:21,044
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00:36:21,134 --> 00:36:24,704
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00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:27,554
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