Lt. Col Dave Grossman’s Book On Combat Broken Down
In this episode, Andi breaks down the book called, On Combat by Lt. Col Dave Grossman. The book dives into the physical symptoms that occur in your body in combat and the stressors in a 911 life which is very different from that of the civilians.
What You'll Learn:
➡️Gut and its relation and stress.
➡️Parasympathetic backlash where the body shuts down for maintenance
➡️And a lot more!
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“It is time to cut through the baloney and learn what really happens in combat, so that a generation of warriors is raised to be mentally and emotionally prepared to go into this toxic realm. ” Lt. Col Dave Grossman
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Today, we're going to do things a little bit differently, and we
Speaker:are going to break down a book by Lieutenant Colonel, Dave Grossman.
Speaker:We're gonna be breaking down his book called on Combat.
Speaker:Now, this book fascinates me every time that I go through it, I find
Speaker:such amazing information out of it.
Speaker:And the one thing that stands out with this book and the reason we're going
Speaker:to be focusing on it today is that it dives into the physical symptoms
Speaker:that occur in your body in combat and the stressors in a 911 life are very
Speaker:different from that of the civilians.
Speaker:And as a result, the physical things that you will experience under stress
Speaker:can be very different from what civilians experience and because
Speaker:these physical symptoms are not talked about and so much focus is placed
Speaker:on the mental effects of stress.
Speaker:You are often left thinking when these physical symptoms do start
Speaker:popping up in you, that you have a mental health condition.
Speaker:When a lot of what may be happening to you is "normal" in your line of work.
Speaker:And without further ado, let's dive in.
Speaker:"Research shows that if you have a load in your lower intestines,
Speaker:during a highly stressful survival situation, it's going to go.
Speaker:Your body says bladder control.
Speaker:I don't think so.
Speaker:Stinker control.
Speaker:We don't need no stinking, stinker control.
Speaker:What do you do if that happens?
Speaker:You keep on fighting.
Speaker:If you have dealt with injured people as a medic police officer or firefighter,
Speaker:you know that a significant number urinate or defecate themselves.
Speaker:It even happens to criminals.
Speaker:Lauren Christensen tells of helping the feds do a forced entry of a warehouse
Speaker:in which a powerful drug dealer stored huge quantities of drugs and
Speaker:property stolen in countless burglars.
Speaker:The drug dealer was a large boisterous man with a history of violence on his
Speaker:comrades and law enforcement officers.
Speaker:There was a high probability that he would greet them with a hail of bullets.
Speaker:The raid was a big operation involving a score of officers wearing combat fatigues,
Speaker:listening devices, and high tech weapons.
Speaker:But the synchronized and explosive entry from all sides of the building.
Speaker:So how did the big, bad drug dealer react?
Speaker:When the cops crashed through the doors, yelling and pointing their
Speaker:weapons, he froze copped his hands on the side of his face and squealed like
Speaker:a little girl as a wet spot spread rapidly across the front of his slacks.
Speaker:This is a normal stress response.
Speaker:Let's call it a redirection of the assets.
Speaker:The same thing happens to people in combat, but while a teacher can freely
Speaker:admit it and even joke about it as in our mouth story, most warriors cannot.
Speaker:They are too macho believing that such things just do not happen to them.
Speaker:Wouldn't it?"
Speaker:So, this dives into the gut and its relation and stress.
Speaker:And this is one thing that when I am working with all of you first
Speaker:responders that quite often is one of the most surprising symptoms
Speaker:that you all do experience.
Speaker:So let's dive into why this is happening first.
Speaker:So with gut issues, anytime you're in a stressed state, when you are going to a
Speaker:call, it does not matter if the call's cleared before you get there, your body
Speaker:still had to go into a stress state.
Speaker:You may be also in a stressed state from the admin at work.
Speaker:You have to prepare as well for anything that may happen on shift.
Speaker:So your entire shift, you could be in a stressed state.
Speaker:If you can't get turn it off ever, you are in a stressed state, regardless
Speaker:if you're on that hot call or not.
Speaker:And when you're in that stress state, your body is sitting there and thinking
Speaker:that you are in a major hot priority call.
Speaker:And what happens is you don't really need to stop and have poop.
Speaker:You don't need to like your colon doesn't need to be, to be working your gut.
Speaker:Doesn't need to be doing its thing either.
Speaker:So your stomach acid slow down and your colon slows down.
Speaker:And this can end up where, when you are in that high stressed
Speaker:state, you can soil yourself.
Speaker:You can drop a load without even realizing it because that's your body.
Speaker:Your body has actually relaxed those systems.
Speaker:They've reduced the amount of energy they're giving to those
Speaker:systems because you really don't need them to fight or to flee.
Speaker:And we end up seeing a lot of gut issues.
Speaker:So if you're starting to have mistakes we see is where, when you
Speaker:have gas that can clear a room, you get indigestion, not bloating, where
Speaker:I know for officers with the vests, sometimes as your shift is going on,
Speaker:you're getting more and more bloated.
Speaker:And these are signs that your stress system has been kicking
Speaker:in and it may need some support.
Speaker:So when you're having diarrhea, constipation, IBS issues, quite often,
Speaker:that is a common occurrence and it is when you do have long term stress,
Speaker:it really does become a part of that.
Speaker:So not realizing that this is a stress symptom, it's not a mental thing.
Speaker:This is your body actually preparing to fight or flee.
Speaker:Then, you're better able to start then diving in to figure out
Speaker:the tools on how to combat that.
Speaker:And so this dives into a story about during 911.
Speaker:And let's listen to this next one that will give you a little bit
Speaker:more of an insight into how this does affect first responders.
Speaker:"A few months after the September 11th, 2001 attacks, I had the privilege of
Speaker:training a group of federal agents.
Speaker:One of them had been at the world trade center during the attack.
Speaker:It came up to me after I had thought about loss about one ladder
Speaker:control and said, "Thank you.
Speaker:Now I understand what happened to me."
Speaker:Then he told me his story.
Speaker:He and the other agents in his office were able to evacuate the building.
Speaker:After the hijacked airplane had hit it.
Speaker:They were wearing their tactical gear and assisting local police when the
Speaker:first building began to come down.
Speaker:At first they didn't know what to do.
Speaker:And then they realized that they had better as he put it run like hell.
Speaker:He said that black cloud of smoke and dust envelope them and darkened the sky.
Speaker:He couldn't breathe and was losing consciousness.
Speaker:Then the cloud passed and he turned around, went back into help.
Speaker:Then the second building began to collapse.
Speaker:I found myself admiring his ability to find humor in the situations.
Speaker:He said, "But now we'd gotten to be experts to falling buildings,
Speaker:and we knew exactly what to do.
Speaker:We turned and ran like hell."
Speaker:Again, a black cloud enveloped him and darkened this sky.
Speaker:And again, he thought he was dying as he began to lose consciousness.
Speaker:But when the cloud passed, he once again turned around and headed back in.
Speaker:A few hours later, as he was climbing through the rubble, someone kept him on
Speaker:the shoulder and said, I'm your relief.
Speaker:And he was directed back to a cleanup point in a gym.
Speaker:The thing that I always wondered about he said was why everyone there
Speaker:had cracked themselves except me.
Speaker:Now I understand you said if there's a load in the lower intestines,
Speaker:it's gonna go just before those bastards hit our building.
Speaker:I had taken a really good morning visit to the bathroom.
Speaker:Probably no event in human history has been reported and
Speaker:studied more than the 911 attacks.
Speaker:And yet almost no one knows that apparently most of the survivors
Speaker:lost bowel and bladder control.
Speaker:Does just diminish their courage?
Speaker:Not in the least, but if it ever happens to us, it would be good to
Speaker:know that it is perfectly normal.
Speaker:It is time to cut through the baloney and learn what really happens in combat.
Speaker:So that a generation of warriors is raised to be mentally and emotionally
Speaker:prepared to go into this toxic realm.
Speaker:As we shall see, loss of bowel and bladder control is only the
Speaker:tip of the iceberg when we examine what really happens in combat."
Speaker:So let's just repeat what he just said.
Speaker:We need to cut through the baloney and learn what really happens in combat
Speaker:so that a generation of warriors is raised to be mentally and emotionally
Speaker:prepared to go into this toxic realm.
Speaker:As we shall see, loss of bowel control is only the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker:When we examine what really happens in combat.
Speaker:And that's the thing I've been working with you guys since 2018.
Speaker:And the symptoms, the physical stress symptoms that come in.
Speaker:Most are unaware pretty much all of them are unaware of all of the stress
Speaker:symptoms that they are experiencing.
Speaker:They didn't realize that they were stress symptoms, the anger, short fuse, the
Speaker:loss of bowels, diarrhea, constipation, all the gut issues, indigestion.
Speaker:The amount of first responders that come to us that are taking proton
Speaker:pump inhibitors and antacids when their doctor never, ever even tested
Speaker:them to see if their stomach acids were high because the same feeling of
Speaker:indigestion that feeling that's coming up is the same feeling that you can get
Speaker:when your stomach acids are too low.
Speaker:And we have never once, not once since we have started this program in 2018,
Speaker:tested an officer, a first responder, fire, EMS, corrections, we've not
Speaker:tested one where they have shown high.
Speaker:We've not even had any test normal.
Speaker:Every single one has tested low.
Speaker:So these are things that you need to be aware of because as Lieutenant
Speaker:Colonel Dave Grossman does say, this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker:The loss of bowel control, all of the gut issue are the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker:There are so many different layers to what is going on in your bodies
Speaker:with stress, with long term stress, with the stress that you endure.
Speaker:And being able to tackle it, being able to put the right systems into
Speaker:place, starts with you actually understanding what these symptoms are.
Speaker:And that is why we're here today.
Speaker:So the next thing we're gonna dive into from this is he's gonna dive
Speaker:into about a parasympathetic backlash.
Speaker:So before we dive into this, let's go over what a parasympathetic is.
Speaker:So you have two branches of your nervous system when it comes to
Speaker:your stress, your sympathetic nervous system is your stress nerve.
Speaker:Your parasympathetic nervous system is your resting nerve.
Speaker:And the thing is, is you need both.
Speaker:The sympathetic nerve is the one that gets you in that hypervigilant state.
Speaker:It's the one that is keeping you high alert.
Speaker:It's the one that allows you that focus and all of the adrenaline
Speaker:pumping out that you need when you need to be alert, stay safe on the job.
Speaker:But then after that what's supposed to happen is your parasympathetic nervous
Speaker:system is supposed to kick in and relax you but sometimes it's very, very offset.
Speaker:And you get this like crash after, and that's what we are going to be diving.
Speaker:So when he talks about the parasympathetic backlash, that is when
Speaker:the parasympathetic nervous system like kicks in, in high gear and you can't
Speaker:help, but fall asleep after a trauma.
Speaker:"Parasympathetic backlash.
Speaker:The body shuts down for maintenance.
Speaker:Taken from a correspondence to Colonel Grossman.
Speaker:I was part of an arrest team of seven veteran drug agents.
Speaker:We were doing hotel buy-bust where our informant inside a hotel room would
Speaker:order up several pounds of drugs.
Speaker:And when the bad guy showed up, we would watch the deal go down via
Speaker:video camera from an adjoining room to watch the actions go down in front
Speaker:of you and just watching and waiting for the bust signals all the time
Speaker:looking and listening to your target.
Speaker:Raised our stress to the point of almost being able to touch it.
Speaker:After the first deal was made and the arrest signal was given, we made
Speaker:entry from the adjacent room and arrested four suspects and seized
Speaker:two pounds of methamphetamine.
Speaker:As we were taken the suspects out into the parking lot, a car pulled up driven
Speaker:by an associate of our bad guys when he backed up and headed for the exit.
Speaker:Some of the officers ran after him and I ran to cut him off.
Speaker:The car changed paths and headed straight at me.
Speaker:I noticed the backdrop for my shot thinking I was going to
Speaker:have to kill the driver, but my teammates were in the line of fire.
Speaker:I jumped out of the way and the car passed right where I had been standing.
Speaker:I jumped into a car and we began a chase eventually
Speaker:finding the car in a church lot.
Speaker:As I drove to it, I began to get the shakes.
Speaker:No problem.
Speaker:As I knew that would happen.
Speaker:By the time we searched the church, I figured I had experienced three or
Speaker:four adrenaline rushes on the way back to the hotel, I felt very car sick,
Speaker:dizzy, and I had a terrible headache.
Speaker:I knew it was a backlash from the activities.
Speaker:So I began tactical breathing that helped for a while with the headache
Speaker:and business, but I was still very tired and had a hard time staying awake.
Speaker:What bothered me the most was I knew what was going on and
Speaker:why, but I couldn't stop."
Speaker:So understanding that backlash is where you have so many stresses
Speaker:over and over and over in your day.
Speaker:Going to different calls and they're cleared when you are
Speaker:on specialized tactical units.
Speaker:I mean, we have an episode that has come out which was with one of the guys
Speaker:from tactical unit that we work with our program and call outs two in the
Speaker:morning, having to do warrants arrests.
Speaker:Like all of the things that are going on when you don't know how to be switching
Speaker:yourself in and out of those stress states then you are constantly dumping
Speaker:and dumping adrenaline into your body.
Speaker:And the thing though is that, that is quite different for those
Speaker:who are in combat and in war and police officers, fire, EMS when you
Speaker:are on a call, cause quite often, those calls are very, very quick.
Speaker:So here is Lieutenant Dave Grossman breaking that down for you.
Speaker:"It can be a different story.
Speaker:For police officers and other warriors who are not in sustained combat.
Speaker:When the average law enforcement officer gets into a gun fight, he
Speaker:often has trouble sleeping that night.
Speaker:Why did those infantry soldiers in Korea have trouble staying awake at noon?
Speaker:But the average law enforcement officer, after a gun fight cannot get to sleep.
Speaker:The difference is what has happened to the adrenaline dump in the combatants' bodies.
Speaker:The soldiers went through six hours of grueling combat where they burned up
Speaker:every drop of adrenaline in their bodies.
Speaker:The police officer had the same adrenaline dump flooding through
Speaker:his body, but his combat event took only a few trigger pulse to resolve
Speaker:leaving him with the adrenaline, still surging through his body.
Speaker:For the officer to sleep, he must first come down from his adrenaline rush.
Speaker:Have you ever sat on the edge of your bed at night with your mind
Speaker:spinning, your heart pounding, and your body raring to go?
Speaker:That is what residual adrenaline does to you."
Speaker:So with that, we can talk as well about fire in that fire, depending on the fire
Speaker:calls, while it can be a really long call.
Speaker:For police as well when we were going through the protests,
Speaker:those were long hours.
Speaker:We had the trucker protest too.
Speaker:The thing is, is that some of it is stop and start.
Speaker:It's not continual as fighting a fire would be.
Speaker:So, you get these dumps of adrenaline and you haven't been able to
Speaker:actually use that adrenaline.
Speaker:So we get into that aspect of it.
Speaker:I mean, my husband says that he never ever goes to a call or every call that he
Speaker:does go to, he considers that it's as if it has a gun, even if it seems like the
Speaker:most benign boring call, you never know.
Speaker:Those are the ones that can sometimes turn on a dime and the ones that may
Speaker:sound like they are the most hostile may be cleared by the time you get there.
Speaker:So you never know and you do always have to be on high alert.
Speaker:For EMS as well, I mean, while you're tending to somebody that
Speaker:needs you then you also have to be on alert for the crowd.
Speaker:You don't know what the crowd's gonna do and how they're gonna
Speaker:react, especially family members or somebody close to the victim.
Speaker:All kinds of stuff.
Speaker:So you have to be on such high alert all the time and be around, but you're
Speaker:doing this for shift after shift, after shift for your entire career.
Speaker:And so what happens is at the start of your shift at the start of career,
Speaker:we say this kind of happens like what he's explaining here of these
Speaker:dumps, these happen in the first like, five years or so of your career.
Speaker:But after that, especially after having kids, once you have kids as well,
Speaker:that's another hit and your sleep totally goes down the drain as well
Speaker:for the first few years, at least.
Speaker:And your brain starts would because you have all of these adrenaline dump.
Speaker:And your body has to keep cleaning it up.
Speaker:So you you're dumping it, clean it up, dumping it, clean it up because
Speaker:you're not getting rid of it.
Speaker:Over time your brain says "What the heck is happening.
Speaker:This is absolutely ridiculous."
Speaker:We need to start turning down the amount of adrenaline that we're pumping out.
Speaker:It's cortisol that they're pumping out and stuff.
Speaker:It needs to start turning that down, which is also your energy hormone.
Speaker:So what we find is what Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman is speaking of is what a
Speaker:lot of responders experience in the first five years or so, some of them can get
Speaker:up to 10 years depending on the service, depending on how it is but I mean like
Speaker:in a large city where you're having calls back to back, 24 hours with EMS and fire.
Speaker:And you do have calls all through the night, like high call volumes.
Speaker:What we find is all of these adrenaline dumps, it hits you
Speaker:earlier into your career where they don't start hitting you anymore.
Speaker:You don't start, you don't get as many of those dumps.
Speaker:Or we find that at home is where you're absolutely drained.
Speaker:You don't even have the energy at home, but you can on a
Speaker:call if you really needed it.
Speaker:The thing is, some have told me that if they have to turn it on fast, they can't.
Speaker:If they know their lights and sirens going to a call, they can build it
Speaker:up as they're going to the call.
Speaker:But if they were, let's say manning somebody in a hospital.
Speaker:And something happened out of the blue when it'd been like
Speaker:for four hours, just dead.
Speaker:And you're sitting there with nothing happening.
Speaker:They don't know if they could turn it on that fast, like they used
Speaker:to earlier on in their career.
Speaker:And that's because that adrenaline dump starts getting smaller and smaller as
Speaker:your brain keeps slowing that down.
Speaker:So the mistake is really not understanding how to be supporting your body, how
Speaker:to be turning off that adrenaline dump as soon as you can and how to be
Speaker:supporting yourself when you do have that adrenaline dump so that your body
Speaker:doesn't start turning it down over time.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Let's now start diving into sleep.
Speaker:And I don't think that this one really needs an introduction.
Speaker:"Sleep deprivation is the best way to physically predispose yourself
Speaker:to become a stress casualty.
Speaker:It has been linked to mental health problems, cancer, common colds,
Speaker:depression, diabetes, obesity, and stroke.
Speaker:As it relates to job performance, sleep deprivation, impairs reaction time,
Speaker:judgment, vision information processing, short term memory, performance,
Speaker:motivation, vigilance and patience.
Speaker:On the other hand, research shows that sufficient sleep combined
Speaker:with the nutritious diet, lots of fluids and exercise are critical
Speaker:for a long and healthy life.
Speaker:Unfortunately, our society is full of sincerely diluted people who
Speaker:honestly believe that they can get by forever on four hours of sleep.
Speaker:When you take Mr.
Speaker:I-Can-Go-Forever-On-Four-Hours-Of-Sleep and put him in the timeless environment
Speaker:of the sleep lab, he immediately begins to catch up on his sleep debt.
Speaker:He may sleep up to 12 hours a day until he is recuperated.
Speaker:And then he sleeps seven, eight and nine hours a day on
Speaker:a normal, healthy sleep cycle.
Speaker:Scientists used to say that you could not catch up on lost sleep
Speaker:but now we know they were wrong.
Speaker:Dead wrong.
Speaker:As in killing people wrong.
Speaker:Your body builds up a sleep debt.
Speaker:And just as you can catch up on dehydration and malnutrition,
Speaker:you can catch up on sleep."
Speaker:So, this is where we dive in.
Speaker:So he is speaking about sleep deprivation and he says that the
Speaker:best way to physically predispose yourself to become a stress casualty
Speaker:is sleep debt, four hours of sleep.
Speaker:And with the responders that I speak with, many of them are only able to
Speaker:get four hours of sleep on days off.
Speaker:So we're not talking about when you have 24 hour shifts.
Speaker:We're not talking about when you have, 12 hour shifts with OT and there's
Speaker:less spend optimal time to get sleep.
Speaker:This does happen in your job.
Speaker:That is another conversation on how to support yourself and be prepared for that
Speaker:but if you are living off of four hours of sleep, even on your days off, cause your
Speaker:body is not allowing you to do it anymore.
Speaker:Or you're not giving yourself enough time to get a sleep then that is where
Speaker:that goes into mental health, cancer, diabetes, common colds, depression,
Speaker:obesity, stroke, and it starts affecting your job performance with impaired
Speaker:reaction, impaired judgment, vision, information processing, short term memory,
Speaker:struggles, performance, motivation, vigilance, and a loss of patience.
Speaker:And so that's where he does talk about, we never used to think that we could
Speaker:catch up on sleep with sleep debt, but all the new studies are showing that we can.
Speaker:And so there are strategies with 911 shifts, so that even when you're not
Speaker:getting, like, even if you do only have four hours of sleep, making sure that it
Speaker:is the best quality of four hours of sleep that you can get and then implementing
Speaker:the right tools once you are off of that block of whatever was happening.
Speaker:If it was a special operations whatever was going on there in
Speaker:order to make sure that you are able to catch up on your sleep.
Speaker:And if you don't, then that does dive into all of these health
Speaker:issues, which can be career ending.
Speaker:So we're gonna dive next into just pulling it up here.
Speaker:Diving into court and four hours of sleep.
Speaker:"Today's understaffed and overworked warriors carry guns, drive vehicles,
Speaker:and make life and death decisions.
Speaker:All the while suffering from sleep deprivation.
Speaker:I guarantee that a sleepy police officer, or maybe even a sleepy peacekeeper will
Speaker:one day soon make a questionable decision that negligently hurts or kills someone.
Speaker:When the case goes to court, the lawyer will ask, "Officer, how much sleep did
Speaker:you get the night before the incident?
Speaker:How much sleep the night before that?
Speaker:And the night before that?"
Speaker:They will subpoena the officer's work logs to show the volume of overtime he worked
Speaker:and they will show that he like so many other officers today had no more than
Speaker:four hours sleep each night for the last 20 days or better yet from the accusing
Speaker:lawyer's standpoint, he will prove that the officer had not slept for 24 hours.
Speaker:And was therefore the equivalent of being legally drunk.
Speaker:Then the lawyer will ask the jury what they think the officer would
Speaker:do if he caught them legally drunk behind the wheel of a vehicle.
Speaker:The result of such a lawsuit to the officer and the department
Speaker:would be devastating."
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:It's devastating when things happen there's quite often when I hear
Speaker:about first responders that passed away when they were on their way to
Speaker:or from shift quite often to shift.
Speaker:There are some research studies that dive into sleep deprivation and officers
Speaker:and fire and they talk about when an officer or fire is sleep deprived.
Speaker:The amount of mistakes and struggles that occur, um, outbursts like anger,
Speaker:short fuse on calls that occur in the first couple of hours of shift are large.
Speaker:So we often think, oh, it's the end of shift.
Speaker:But if you're going into a shift, sleep deprived, it could mistakes that
Speaker:can happen could be career ending.
Speaker:Or could end your life.
Speaker:Now, this is the part that I need you to understand is that.
Speaker:Sleep struggles start as well.
Speaker:In about five years into the job, a lot of this stuff is related.
Speaker:Once you start really diving into it, what we spoke about earlier about the
Speaker:body starting to shut down that cortisol that also ties into when of five years
Speaker:often is when it comes into your careers.
Speaker:When we hear that that's when the sleep struggle started tired and
Speaker:wired, waking mid sleep can't sleep.
Speaker:And many of you are trying to implement healthy sleep strategies but the thing
Speaker:is, is we need to be diving deeper.
Speaker:We need to lift that hood of your car, dive into that engine of your
Speaker:stress system and start supporting it.
Speaker:Start oiling and lubing the parts of your stress system that need the help.
Speaker:Just focusing on a better sleeper routine is not necessarily going to help.
Speaker:They will definitely be valuable.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:I'm not saying that they aren't.
Speaker:But when you are solely focusing on strategies for sleep, sleep pills, sleep
Speaker:aids, anything to try to get you to sleep.
Speaker:And everything that you're researching is sleep, sleep, sleep of how, what can
Speaker:I do routines for sleep, and you're not actually diving into the stress system,
Speaker:diving into that cortisol, diving into the adrenaline dump, diving into the
Speaker:parasympathetic nervous system and the stress nerve, the sympathetic nerve.
Speaker:When you're not diving into all of these things and really looking at the
Speaker:root cause and looking at how the gut is affecting all of this as well then
Speaker:you will struggle with your sleep.
Speaker:It's just a fact.
Speaker:You will.
Speaker:So if you are somebody who has tried all of those things, don't worry.
Speaker:It's not your fault.
Speaker:Those are the things that we are told.
Speaker:They're the things that often work for a civilian, but these civilians
Speaker:aren't working different shifts days and nights all over the place.
Speaker:Their body knows when it's supposed to go to sleep.
Speaker:When it's supposed to go wake up, it's not getting these adrenaline
Speaker:dumps all of the time on shift.
Speaker:And you also haven't been taught how to turn yourself in and
Speaker:out, how to control that switch.
Speaker:So there's a lot of other deeper things that we need to be diving
Speaker:into with this, especially like when you're doing 24 hour shifts.
Speaker:I know during COVID many services, fire, EMS, we're doing 96 when there
Speaker:were stations out and neighboring stations had to cover for the
Speaker:station that was out because everybody had COVID in the station.
Speaker:96 hours were being pulled.
Speaker:The stress, the toll that, that took on many bodies that we're
Speaker:now seeing the effects that their sleeps is struggling worse.
Speaker:Even though they're beyond exhausted the adrenaline dumps all of these
Speaker:things start kicking in together and they really start affecting you.
Speaker:Which brings us to this next one that we are gonna be diving into.
Speaker:This is the last clip that we're gonna be taking from this book.
Speaker:I do highly recommend you read this book.
Speaker:It's actually not available in print anymore, but it's on audibles.
Speaker:It can possibly get it from your library as well.
Speaker:In audible format in audio and it is amazing in audio, as you can hear,
Speaker:because Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman is an amazing storyteller as well.
Speaker:But I highly recommend you listen to this whole book cause it does
Speaker:put everything together in combat.
Speaker:How so many things can be affecting you one way or another.
Speaker:What we do on my end is we start working with things that help you preventatively.
Speaker:We start helping you from long term stress.
Speaker:What he's talking about is actually in the combat situation.
Speaker:When you are fighting the fire, when you are dealing with a hot priority call.
Speaker:These are the things that, that he is talking about and what we deal
Speaker:with is getting your system strong to be able to withstand those things.
Speaker:So this last one is really interesting.
Speaker:So we've dove into gut.
Speaker:We've dove into energy.
Speaker:We've dove into sleep.
Speaker:This is where sound and hearing can change.
Speaker:And some of the things too.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You know, you are chatting with your spouse.
Speaker:And they give you a to-do list.
Speaker:You're talking about things to do and you leave the room and you're blank
Speaker:on what you were even supposed to do.
Speaker:What was that task?
Speaker:What was the honey do list just asked of you?
Speaker:And things like this will happen with what I see with the long term stress.
Speaker:What Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman here is speaking about is about an
Speaker:auditory blink that may happen when you are right in the middle of a trauma.
Speaker:He's specifically talking about gunshots.
Speaker:So with what he's speaking about here, gunshots when he's talking
Speaker:about a blink is where the auditory blink is like a blink of an eye, but
Speaker:it's actually your ears blinking.
Speaker:So there's moments of sound you may not hear.
Speaker:So some may be where you don't hear your gunshot, but you
Speaker:hear your colleagues gunshots.
Speaker:Some are where you don't hear the gunshots at all, but you
Speaker:hear like the bullets drop.
Speaker:I'm not using the right technology, please don't hold me on this one.
Speaker:But you hear certain sounds around you.
Speaker:We'll just say it with that.
Speaker:And you may hear all sounds around you, or it may just go completely quiet.
Speaker:All of these things are normal and that's what he's gonna dive into right now.
Speaker:"And a state trooper said, "Now I understand what happened.
Speaker:It was so embarrassing.
Speaker:I never told anyone about it.
Speaker:My partner and I were on a one car roadblock.
Speaker:A guy blows the roadblock at a hundred miles an hour.
Speaker:We both fire one shot as we leap out of the way.
Speaker:I called the Sarge and said, "Sarge, he's blowing the roadblock.".
Speaker:And the Sarge tells us to pursue him.
Speaker:I said, "Sarge, we can't pursue, honest.
Speaker:Our guns just went pop.".
Speaker:We thought there was something wrong with our ammo.
Speaker:We actually took a pencil and ran it down the barrel of her weapons because we were
Speaker:afraid there might be a bullet lodge.
Speaker:How many warriors across the generations have fired their weapons
Speaker:and failed to continue fighting because they thought there was
Speaker:something wrong with their weapons?
Speaker:When they could not hear the shots.
Speaker:In this case, there was nothing wrong with their ammunition or their
Speaker:weapons, but there was definitely something wrong with their training.
Speaker:We have gone through centuries of the gun powder era and we are just
Speaker:now informing our warriors that their shots might get quiet in combat.
Speaker:As I collect data from literally thousands of warriors about
Speaker:their combat experiences, this auditory exclusion effect is a
Speaker:single most common occurrence."
Speaker:So this is such a common occurrence and if we dive down, we break into it.
Speaker:The body, how it reacts to stress.
Speaker:This isn't a mental health issue.
Speaker:This is your body's reaction.
Speaker:Your body has these automatic reactions that it elicits when you are in a
Speaker:stressed state for different reasons.
Speaker:Soiling yourself, your ears shutting off, sleep getting disrupted, gut issues.
Speaker:So many different things that we see in first responders where they start thinking
Speaker:that what is happening is a mental health issue when there's that fine line
Speaker:where you may be struggling with past traumas that have occurred on the job.
Speaker:And I am not taking anything away from that, but understand that a lot of
Speaker:what you're experiencing PTSD, no PTSD.
Speaker:We see this in guys with PTSD and we see it in guys without PTSD who do
Speaker:not have a PTSD diagnosis and have actually gone to check because of
Speaker:symptoms that they were experiencing.
Speaker:And once we start looking into the physical stress symptoms
Speaker:that their body has just been telling them you're on high alert.
Speaker:You're hypervigilant now you can't shut it off.
Speaker:They cannot shut off that sympathetic nerve system.
Speaker:That sympathetic nerve becomes so frigging strong that they can't turn
Speaker:it off and that means that the body systems are all turning on 24/7.
Speaker:That only need to be turned on when you need to be in a
Speaker:hypervigilant state on call.
Speaker:When you need to be on high alert, when you need to be in order to make sure
Speaker:that your surroundings are safe, to make sure that you are watching everything
Speaker:around you and can react super fast.
Speaker:And so when you're yelling at your kids, when you're just all of a
Speaker:sudden calm around your kids and yelling instantly, that is your body
Speaker:being in that sympathetic state.
Speaker:That is your body telling you that you are not able to shut it off.
Speaker:And we work with guys that have been struggling as well in PTSD treatments
Speaker:because they can't shut it off.
Speaker:And we can dive further into certain studies where they're talking about
Speaker:HRV is a marker that tells us it's the time in between heartbeats.
Speaker:When you're stressed, your heartbeat's fast.
Speaker:When you are relaxed, your heart beats slow, so that time increases.
Speaker:When your HRV is low that means you are living in a stress state all of the time.
Speaker:And what studies show is when you are in that too, that means you're living in your
Speaker:sympathetic nervous system all the time.
Speaker:When you are so low and the thing is, is that studies show that it is
Speaker:really hard to make it through therapy.
Speaker:To get through therapy sessions and therapy treatments
Speaker:when your HIV is so low.
Speaker:So what we have found is once we are able to start getting you to be able to
Speaker:switch out of that" I'm always on state."
Speaker:Be able to start controlling that switch to turn it into hypervigilance when
Speaker:you need it and off when you don't.
Speaker:That is when they start making headway in their PTSD treatments.
Speaker:And we have guys that thought that they had PTSD, but didn't have
Speaker:all of the criteria of PTSD and we're not given a PTSD diagnosis.
Speaker:And we start working with them on their stress system and a
Speaker:lot of their symptoms go away.
Speaker:So from this today my hope is that you really do see that what happens when you
Speaker:are in a high stress state is definitely more intense than a civilian's life.
Speaker:And what happens in your day-to-day stress, your long shifts, OT, admin
Speaker:stresses, going to calls where they're cleared before you even get there.
Speaker:You've got family stressors, family guilt.
Speaker:Knowing the signs that we have started talking about today, and
Speaker:these signs here, snoring, tired and wired, waking mid sleep, anger,
Speaker:anxiety, no motivation and drive, short term memory, constant injuries,
Speaker:cold, flus, allergies, gut struggles.
Speaker:The list goes on.
Speaker:We get into hormonal, if any of you have tested for low T.
Speaker:I'd love to dive into that further with you because the odds are your T isn't low.
Speaker:It's actually just being stolen by other hormones that your stress system needs.
Speaker:And so it's showing as low, but it's actually not it's because it's being
Speaker:used for something else because you're using different hormones
Speaker:in a stress state all the time.
Speaker:So all of these, we are gonna be diving into more in our 911 Shift Ready podcast.
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Speaker:Being the wife of an officer, I want each of you to be able to
Speaker:come home at the end of your shift.
Speaker:And by come home, I mean I want you to come home to a house where you are
Speaker:surrounded by your spouse and kids who you have a solid relationship with
Speaker:because you are focusing on what it takes to be that resilient tactical athlete.
Speaker:You're aware of all of these tools that you need in order
Speaker:to stay strong on the job.
Speaker:This is beyond exercise and nutrition.
Speaker:What you need to do to support the stress of the day to day of your
Speaker:job, especially if you are in high tactical units is a priority in order
Speaker:to allow you to be able to shut it off and shut it on when you need.
Speaker:So you can be who you need to be at home.
Speaker:Be who you need to be at work.
Speaker:And just last your entire career cause most of you, this is your calling.
Speaker:Most of you love what you're doing, but if you are questioning, if you
Speaker:have what it takes, know that you do.
Speaker:It's just most likely that you are not implementing the right tools in
Speaker:order to last your entire career.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I hope that you have enjoyed this episode of the 911 Shift Ready podcast,
Speaker:breaking down Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman's book on combat.
Speaker:If you liked the style of an episode, let me know, and we can do more
Speaker:breakdowns of videos of books and things of other trainings to help you really
Speaker:understand the deep parts of them.
Speaker:You really don't have to be experiencing four to six hours of sleep and live
Speaker:in a hypervigilant or anxiety state for the remainder of your career.
Speaker:Make sure you know the signs.
Speaker:Acknowledge them and take action to make sure that you do spend the least amount
Speaker:of time on the job in a stress state.
Speaker:And keep switching into that resting state so that you can last your entire career.
Speaker:And be the parent and spouse that you want to be at home.