This "part two" conversation with Toby Daly came about because I've been trying to learn the Saam system of acupuncture as he detailed it a recent Journal of Chinese Medicine article. 

In that process I've had some surprising good results, as well as a few cases that I really took in the wrong direction. 

Toby points out, when you get it wrong, it's really wrong and you'll know pretty quickly. Unless you're still fairly new at it and not yet tuned into the warning signs of trouble. 

This discussion comes from my own clinic experience with trying to learn the diagnostics and how to tune my clinical thinking. 

Toby really makes the Saam perspective come alive with relevant clinical examples as he helps me to "correct my errors in the forest of medicine."

If you have an interest in employing this powerful method of acupuncture, pull out a notebook and pen, because you are going to want to take notes!