What if we told you that accessing the proper care for obesity could be more straightforward, supportive, and ultimately more successful than you might think? 

Welcome to another episode of the BariNation Podcast! In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Betsy Dovec, founder of BodyByBariatrics, and her right hand, Hannah Schuyler, to discuss how they’re changing the game for bariatric surgery. In this conversation, we dive into why Dr. Dovec opened BodyByBariatrics, how they’re breaking down the barriers to surgery, and how they’re helping patients move through the surgery process and post-op more efficiently. From mindset to movement, meals to motivation, we’ll walk through how their innovative approach helps patients reset and take control of their health in meaningful ways. They also share the exciting news of the grand opening of the BodyByBariatrics surgical center in Orlando, which is on March 6, 2025, at 6 PM EST! 

IN THIS EPISODE:

• (00:00) Introduction
• (03:36) Meet Hannah Schuyler and Dr. Betsy Dovec
• (07:24) Why Dr. Dovec opened BodyByBariatrics
• (15:03) Partnering with BariNation Community
• (24:32) How has Body by Bariatrics provided more to the patients than just pre-op and the barriers to surgery from jumping hoops to insurance
• (40:18) Getting the surgery process on the fast-track and fighting with the insurance company
• (53:00) March 6, 2025, 6 PM EST is the grand opening for BodyByBariatrics in Orlando

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

• Bariatric care is evolving to improve patient access, focusing on actively partnering with professionals, surgeons, and centers. 
• Bariatric surgery is a wise investment that yields significant returns for patients and insurers. It’s time to update outdated policies that hinder access to this vital care.
• A more holistic, patient-centered approach to obesity care is essential. This requires stronger collaboration between primary care physicians, bariatric surgeons, and support teams. 

RESOURCES:

• BariNation Website 
• Join the BariNation Membership community meetups to support you on your journey with obesity treatment. https://barination.com/pages/join-our-community
• Want to see bonus content? Head over to https://www.patreon.com/BariNationPodcast to get more and support the podcast for as low as $5 per month!    

GUEST RESOURCES:

Dr. Elizabeth Dovec  - Instagram

BodyByBariatrics - Website

Weight Loss Collab - Instagram

Hannah Schuyler - Instagram

BIOGRAPHY: 

Dr. Elizabeth “Betsy” Dovec is a pioneering bariatric surgeon, entrepreneur, and thought leader revolutionizing obesity care. As Founder and CEO of BodyByBariatrics, BodyBySkin Med Spa, and The Surgical Institute of Central Florida, she has created a cutting-edge, 15,000-square-foot ASC and wellness center integrating bariatric surgery, medical weight loss, cosmetic surgery, GI, and aesthetics. A passionate innovator and educator, Dr. Dovec is transforming the field with value-based care, virtual patient engagement, and preoperative education while shaping the future of bariatric medicine.

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April Williams: You've just tuned into a podcast that welcomes you into a community, a resource center, and a safe place that powers your [00:00:15] journey towards personal wellness.

Natalie Tierney: Our goal is you leave us today feeling hopeful, inspired, and ready to live your best bariatric life.

And we can't wait to see you in Bari nation soon. Hi friends. Welcome [00:01:00] to another fabulous episode of the Bayard Nation podcast. Today we have the honor of interviewing two amazing women, Dr. Betsy Dovick and Hannah Schuyler. Welcome, ladies.

We have a lot in store for you.

This is the year that we stop putting ourselves in the back burner [00:01:45] and we start effectively treating the thing that we have been battling against for years, if not decades. Oh, yes.

And I think, you know, I think it starts, like you said, with This very important topic of access to care, like what does that even mean? And I'm sure some people are like, Oh, this is a boring one. And I hope that you are still [00:02:15] listening and you haven't just scrolled past because it is about a real crisis in our country in terms of the amounts of people who suffer with the disease of obesity and [00:02:30] the limited options that are either effective or not.

April Williams: Yeah, [00:03:00] no, this episode, no matter where you are in your bariatric journey, if you are, if this is the very first variation podcast you've ever watched or listened to, this is for you. If you are 5, 10, 15 years post op, this is also for you. And Jason and I are going to share some stories [00:03:15] about how our disease of obesity has continued to progress and how we have had to fight for continued ongoing treatment, which is exactly what Dr.

Dr. Betsy Dovac: Sure. So I'm going to do something unusual and I'm going to introduce Hannah and she's going to introduce me.

Um, [00:04:15] dietician when it comes to all things nutrition. And I tell every patient every time that I introduce Hannah, I said, first and foremost, Hannah is cool and she's never going to tell you to eat something or do something that doesn't align with your preferences and your [00:04:30] lifestyle. And she'll make sure that yes, you're compliant with our recommendations, but this is not a sentence bariatric surgery.

Hannah Schuyler: Well, thank you. Um, Dr. Betsy Dovick is a doctor. That's it. [00:05:00] The end. The end. No. So, um, Betsy, as we all affectionately call her, is a bariatric surgeon.

We still enjoy ourselves. And like she said, we want you all to continue to still enjoy your lives and be part of this community. Um, Betsy is a community builder. Um, she's also a [00:06:00] mom of three little blondini kids who are hilarious and has a husband. He's fine. He's okay.

Dr. Betsy Dovac: He's okay. The big A is fine. You know what?

But how often do other people looking at us do? Did they have a better lens than sometimes we look at ourselves on so, um, anyway, but yeah. We're buds. We're fun.

Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's get

Dr. Betsy Dovac: candid. I love a candid conversation. Let's

And we just kind of had questions as to what led you to jump out on it because that's a big step. That's not [00:07:15] just something that you just decide overnight. So what brought you to the realization that you needed to go strike out on your own and open your own center?

And when I was there in 2019, this is pre covid. The hospital administration entered into a deal with a surgery center management [00:07:45] company called Surge Center Development, and essentially, they wanted to build a location that was about 20 minutes away from the hospital, and they needed to bring new business or safe outpatient surgery to that [00:08:00] location.

It sounds nuts because 2019 that was six years ago. Not that [00:08:30] many people were really doing it. Everyone was staying at least one night, two nights in a hospital, drains full of catheters. It was scary. It was like bariatric surgery is a big deal. This is invasive. There's a lot that goes into this, including a hospital stay.

And when I was there, they, uh, They talked a lot about, um, [00:09:15] building the program. We replicated the success. We were doing really great. Um, great administration. It really was, was a good thing. I think we're all on great terms. And essentially, we had this meeting in this big boardroom that I had really prepared [00:09:30] for.

They largely exclude bariatric surgery coverage. The self pay rates in a [00:10:00] hospital are really high. We didn't really have any direct to employer contracts. So if you had one of these three insurance companies, great, I could treat you, but there was probably a good over 50, 60 percent of people who wanted surgery, who needed surgery, [00:10:15] who couldn't get it.

Uh, it was hard. It was a lot of hard work. And it was people like Hannah and some others who have stood by my side and believed [00:10:45] in me. And every day we just keep iterating and developing. And now, We are opening the grand opening of the Surgical Institute of Central Florida will be on Thursday, March 6, [00:11:00] 2025.

So in just a couple of years it is happening and I would love to talk about this journey and and what really drives me every day to just keep on going. Keep on going.

And then, you know, to walk away from that in. [00:11:30] to serve patients better is not a story that you hear very often in this, you know, in this case. So, uh, it's, it is amazing for us to be able to sit down and talk more with you about this. So we appreciate your time today. [00:11:45]

Dr. Betsy Dovac: I appreciate you bringing that up. And I think a lot of people are like, Oh, wow, that's great.

But, um, [00:12:15] Maybe I'll take out a loan or something to pay. I like, it's, it is, I mean, we talked in our support group recently about stepping out of your comfort zone. Hannah talked about that and yeah, I mean, it's still really uncomfortable. Like if I showed you [00:12:30] like the mortgage payment on this bad boy, you'd be like, why, why are you so risk tolerant?

Jason Smith: And I'd like to think that you and Hannah had like a Jerry Maguire moment where you stood up and were like, I'm out.

And she was like, I'm going to go too. And you guys just ran off together. And now you guys are doing this amazing stuff.

So, the insurance verification, getting you credentials, getting in with payers, getting a phone number set up, [00:13:30] getting a, you know, setting up our emails, like, there is just so much that. You know, Betsy had walked in and we all did, we all walked into an office and we were handed a computer and we were given a password and they said, go and do your job.

Jason Smith: Oh, yes, the back end of these things are super fun. It's totes fun that everybody thinks is we the I think the hard part is, is we've all made [00:14:15] this look so good and so seemingly easy that everybody wants to start their own center and start their own podcast and it's going to be so fun and easy and then I think quickly they're going to find out that we just made it look that way.

That's without the follow up pair that comes with it. So it is this this process that again, we had to. Had to create from the ground up, um, [00:15:00] essentially get that, get that.

Dr. Betsy Dovac: And I want to jump on that in terms of you guys, in terms of Bari Nation, in my perspective, being a longtime fan, watching your evolution.

Nobody else. I don't think so because it takes just such determination, but you [00:15:45] also have to have the level of empathy of actually being a patient. And I've always watched you and thought, man, I have to work with them somehow because I think like Hannah said, we all, all programs and it's just the nature of [00:16:00] the beast.

I felt like I was just like pushed through there and then there was nothing. So, for us, we realize that we can't do everything, and so that's why I think [00:16:30] every program in the country, put your pride aside if that's what it is. There's no competition here. I love that you guys have stood true to being agnostic to any program.

So Hannah and I were trying to one night make this and we're like, this is janky, man. We need to go with the professionals. Why are we going to reinvent this wheel? So partnering with you guys is long [00:17:15] overdue. Honestly, uh, I, I, I mean, and I'm not just saying that what you have done with very nation, I think it is the most almost hidden gem.

If they want to be successful on their [00:17:45] journey, period. Because if you do it by yourself on an island, it's not going to work.

Success. We've seen people start their journeys pre op, right? They don't even have a date yet. And [00:18:15] they're coming to Bari Nation and asking the questions. And we had this conversation a week or so ago where someone said, I just got to get to the date. And I said, okay, then what? Right? Because [00:18:30] I'm on the other side and I can say, yeah, the date is cool.

Dr. Betsy Dovac: Very good points.

Natalie Tierney: Yeah,

But where we felt there was a lack in pre and post operative care and support, we [00:19:30] created it ourselves because we knew that we could do it and where very nation, I think. Has really thrived is in these partnerships with with centers and surgeons, just just like you and professionals just like you. It's because when those [00:19:45] 2 worlds come together, you acknowledge I can't do what you do.

Natalie Tierney: even

Not only get the support of peers, but really those credentialed experts, right? Like support groups led by bariatric therapist classes taught by registered dietitians. That makes a difference. Uh, and [00:20:30] I think all of us on the screen believe that is the future of patient care. It's why you both reached your tipping point and you were like.

They're [00:21:00] going to be introduced to people that truly care about them as a person as a person fighting a disease.

Natalie Tierney: And they're going

And that's what this is all about.

And I mean, Bari Nation, obviously there's, there's [00:21:45] nothing else like that there. Uh, you know, I kind of thought about. this. I go on vacation. I do take time off and things, but the whole time I'm thinking about this, I know I'm just like, Hannah, she's like, [00:22:00] go away. I thought I was going to get a minute off at a beach, but I went to Costa Rica and I always joke when I, when I actually have time to do nothing but really think about things, I was at a beach in Costa Rica and it was.

Um, just such a great perspective and I'm like, how do we incorporate her into our practice? And so it was at that trip that we kind of sketched out in the notes section of our phone, [00:22:45] um, this project reset thing and that incorporates mindset, movement, meals, and motivation. And they get all these things and weekly small group, um, kind of cognitive behavioral therapy strategy sessions with Laura and they get meal plans from Hannah and they [00:23:00] break it down.

Here we are in the podcast. We're talking about all of these things that we are doing that I can tell you firsthand. And so can Hannah, [00:23:30] how many of our patients are already in this Project Reset grad group, or they're just joined. You don't have to be a Project Reset to join through the Bari Nation, kind of bought it by Bariatrics affiliate link.

Natalie Tierney: Yeah, we, um, we think about that all the time. The patient feedback, right? The member [00:24:00] feedback for the very nation support community.

Hannah Schuyler: Yeah,

Dr. Betsy Dovac: do you want to go first?

So we can help people that are, you know, not able to get this covered by insurance, but maybe still make it manageable within within that. I think, from my perspective, you [00:25:00] know, thinking about kind of the. You mentioned a little bit about this Natalie, like the period before leading up to surgery and there is so much emphasis on that.

It's just. Yeah. Poof. Like, and as the dietitian, you're getting burnt out doing this education and whatever. And so really trying in my perspective to help patients to shift from, yes, the pre op education is important and you need to know what you're getting into and blah, blah, [00:25:45] blah. But realistically, you guys could attest to this.

Um, I do open office hours. So like once a week, I'm just in my zoom hanging out and people [00:26:15] can pop in. Um, so just that like access to. To, like you said, a professional. And again, I think that's where VariNation is great because you guys have the dietitians and I trust my colleagues who sure we may do things sometimes a little bit differently, but I'm sure that they're [00:26:30] giving great advice out to the people and to the members and supporting them on that lifelong journey.

April Williams: And from our live patient experience, maintenance. Six months out or one year out is very different from maintenance, 18 months and 24 and third, like the further you go move out from your surgery, [00:27:15] it looks and feels completely different. And when you think you're rocking and rolling life, there's your curve ball and you need to, to mix things up.

And if you're, if your surgeon is not kind of your partner in crime through this, this is a part of the access to care discussion. You either need to re, engage with that person, or you need to find a new 1 [00:28:00] because these are conversations that you have to have. You have to have dietitians and professionals that you trust in your life to go.

So powerful for 29 a [00:28:30] month, you can attend registered dietitian led classes 345 times a month. And then if you are still involved with your surgical center, you have that as well. Access to care can be such a scary thing for [00:28:45] patients because. We tell ourselves this is going to be too much work. I, I'm going to say the wrong thing.

None of us want that. And that's why this access to care is so [00:29:15] critically important.

versus being an employee of a hospital. The simplest thing is being able to communicate. Hannah said she doesn't mention it casually. I'm like, man, though, that's the [00:29:45] major thing. It's texting. If you text me seven days a week on a Sunday in our, we have kind of like a group chat almost we can see it. You will get an answer seven days a week.

It's so slow. The [00:30:15] administrative burden associated with it. So we really try to make it like white glove, very frictionless, really easy. If you want to do this, Let's cut some of that red tape and make it so that you can get the care that you want to, um, all the timeline [00:30:30] that you want it. So if you're ready like yesterday, let's do it.

Who has the magic answer? No one except for the person who knows that they're prepared and they're ready for it. And, and then let's do it. Did you guys have to go through three, six, 12

Dr. Betsy Dovac: That's sorry. That is punitive. I

Hannah Schuyler: but

Natalie Tierney: yeah,

So anyway, I'll jump on that right now, but it

So I guess I'll just like, stay at home. And, um, but, yeah. April and Jason, I've told so many horror stories. I met them during my pre op. So I'm like, [00:32:15] wow, really like, thank the heavens for Jason and April because they got me through,

Jason Smith: yeah, it was a six month, a six month program. Pre op or I had to go at that point.

I'm like, oh, I have that. And then some, well, I sent it over to my doctor and they were like, [00:33:00] well, we don't really have or to the insurance. And they were like, we don't really have the specific notes like we want them to. So if she can send notes on these two. We'll take these two along with this other two.

So when I finally made the decision to have it, then having that extra hurdle on top of that. Almost made me pull the plug on it. That's why they do it. I was sitting there with, with the, cause the, the whole [00:33:45] part to the Baptist center that I went to here in Jacksonville was you had to watch the webinar first, then you had to call them back and let them know that you watched the webinar and that then you could go set up for a consultation.[00:34:00]

And I'm just like, it really, like when. And that's just kind of a, the part that they don't understand [00:34:30] not being on the patient side, is that when we finally get the guts to make this decision, we don't need the hurdles. So it's just those little things. That I wish of more providers knew [00:34:45] that, you know, those, those roads kind of need to be cleared off so that we can kind of make it to the table because a lot of times that I'm sure they lose way more patients that that just decide they're not going to deal with it.

Did you check? Are you making them do things that they don't need to do? Like all of those details matter because like why waste someone's time? We see that all the time. Oh, [00:35:30] we have. I just are obsessed with that. Yeah.

April Williams: And again, if you are a patient and you're a pre op and you're listening to this, our message to you in this moment is persevere.

Dr. Betsy Dovac: Well, like Hannah said earlier, uh, we are able because You're looking at a hospital compared to a surgery [00:36:00] center. So let me break this down.

And maybe if you're in a hospital, it also [00:36:30] includes the overnight hospital stay, any labs, imaging, SCDs, medications, all of that. And then finally, there's the anesthesia fee, and they're separate as well. So there are these three separate entities, it's called fee for service. So all [00:36:45] of us have individual, completely independent contracts with the insurance companies.

Some of these health systems are billion dollar and that is because they make it off of the facility fees, the surgical fees specifically, and the specialist surgical fees. Bariatric surgery, at least in the state of Florida, it makes a lot of money in [00:37:30] the inpatient setting. So, when you have that, and to get a little controversial, a lot of bariatric surgeons are employed by the hospital.

Let's keep these surgeries on the CMS Centers for Medicare and let's keep them on the inpatient only list so that we can't take Medicare and Medicaid patients, lower socioeconomic status to a surgery center so they [00:38:15] actually get it. So, when you look at that, it's expensive versus a surgery center where it's lean.

Or if you have an employer, we can actually contract directly with employers so that they can carve out that bariatric coverage, they can bundle it up, and then we, uh, will take care of their employees almost exclusively. [00:39:00] And then there's the payers and ultimately this is where the work comes, but we're on the tip of it and this is going to happen right now.

You have the ability to give yourself the pain meds, the nausea meds, you [00:39:45] have everything set up and organized because you're prepared, your expectations are set. And you're going to do better overall

April Williams: as a patient. You don't understand any of these back end things, right? You literally make a phone call to your insurance company and you say, do I have coverage?

Dr. Betsy Dovac: It's never a no, it's never over.

And we're going to follow what the insurance company says, but we're not going to arbitrarily make rules that apply to every single patient. So, while, [00:40:45] yes, I have a couple of patients that are requiring right now, 6 months of supervised weight loss visits. And so I see them. They see their surgeon in month 1, they see me 4 months and then they see their surgeon in month 6 and that's their 6 months.

We got to hook them because again, I, I interrupted I interjected earlier and said, this is their model. This is the insurance business model. That's what I believe is that they put [00:41:30] these guidelines a lot of them, like, like, Betsy said, they change all the time too. And some of these programs have just, they're just doing it.

Jason Smith: Well, because I think about the people that are dealing with the insurance companies that just do the initial decline anyway, just the initial decline, see if they'll fight [00:42:00] for it.

times that we're just left to our own devices. We just want to help. Like, that's all it is. We're grasping at anything, any kind of help we can get because we're [00:42:30] legitimately drowning in our own, in our own obesity. And without that life preserver, like we don't have a way out. And we just grasp for whoever can help us out.

Dr. Betsy Dovac: Mm hmm. Yeah. And I mean, once you submit it, if you get a denial, Oh, that means mommy's getting ready. I'm getting warmed up. It's time for peer to peers. Let's do this. And I love a good medical director. I will, because a lot of them, they're not specialists in [00:43:00] bariatric surgery.

It never gets overturned in the appeal process. So you can't let it go there. I, you learn how to do that. So if you're listening and you have been told that you don't qualify or [00:43:30] that your prior authorization request has been denied. Oh, let me have, let me have a stab at that because honestly, um, I, I would love to speak to a medical director on your behalf and honestly, this is weird, but some of these medical directors [00:43:45] that I've spoken to so many times over the last decade plus I've kind of become friendly with.

It's nonsense. So yeah, you, you, you, you like Jason said, you've got to fight for [00:44:15] it. And there is a lot behind the scenes that we have learned through our experience. Um, and. We have a whole army of people who do benefit verification, prior authorization, surgical scheduling, obtainment of your preoperative medical clearances, [00:44:30] all that stuff, logistical stuff to do a 20 minute sleeve.

My God, but we got it and you're going to get it too. So we're going to make it really easy on the back end.

Right, we, for the patient side of things, we have insurance, right? There's things that we have to do, but to know that there are options out there and that once you have reached that tipping point in your own life, and you say, I am going to have [00:45:15] surgery. The, the world opens up a little bit and now, because of these opportunities that you're creating the center that you're opening.

And we all have the right to, to, to live life and, and to not suffer it. Yeah, access to care is, I think, are all of our [00:46:00] bold predictions for 2025. We see it really changing. We see surgery kind of coming back online as the. Preferred treatment for the disease of obesity. Uh, and yeah, we all see centers like yours [00:46:15] being that pathway forward into a bold new kind of era for obesity, medicine, care and treatment.

We know this. Even if you're self pay, you're going to pay most likely five figures plus probably somewhere in that ballpark. But so it's a [00:46:45] big investment. So you have to look at it from their standpoint in how do I protect? How do I ensure a return on that investment? How do I do an ROI? And this is where I think, like you said, in 2025, [00:47:00] things get very interesting for Bari Nation because when we go to these people, sometimes their policies we definitely think are just, you know, put in place to be barriers.

What are you going to learn about yourself in that time? It's about ongoing therapy and really diving [00:47:45] into this whole process. So I think when you do that, when you really look at it from, I am all engaged in a program that works and you show the data. They're all obsessed with the analytics. Just show me objectively that this is the best way to [00:48:00] go.

We should do something. And that was the last time that a lot of these, like, curriculums and policies were really looked out of these outdated NIH policies, looking at the BMI requirements and those sorts of things. I think it's time for a fresh [00:48:30] overview, but I also think that if you sit back and just kick the tire and think, you know what?

It's much more cost effective and it's just much more tolerated. And it's, it's overall, it's just works. It's the best treatment that [00:49:00] exists to treat this disease. So we need to make sure everybody knows that. Period, period, period, whatever that is, like, okay, keep that [00:49:15] entertain that out as you will variation.

GLP1 [00:49:45] medication sure is helpful, but people are losing access, gaining access. Everything's changing. Nobody knows what's what. It's compounded. It's not. Yeah. And the answer has always been in front of us and that is metabolic and bariatric surgery. Why are we straying from [00:50:00] this? If we want to move the needle, we need to have more conversations with more people who are suffering.

How can I partner with you to help you jump through the hoops? How can I connect you with organizations right with [00:50:30] peers that are going to help you through it all? And how can I be that holistic partner for you? Because. I can do 1 thing, multiple things really well. I can move you through surgery. I can help you with the education, but you're going to be dealing with this for the rest of your [00:50:45] life.

Natalie Tierney: And what I'm hearing from from [00:51:00] you, Betsy and Hannah is the autonomy, right, of like, pulling back that insurance veil. If we want to use that metaphor, but like, giving back the autonomy to the patient [00:51:15] and say, and that's why Barry nation, the support community works so well, the podcast works so well.

Yeah, we get it. We're small. You can text us at 12 in the morning. We might not answer it right away, but we'll answer it as soon as we wake up, you know, and having that autonomy to ask the [00:52:00] questions and to get curious and to, to find care that actually works for them. And I think that's what's really going to move the needle, but we have to, we have to take that veil off of bariatric care because it's there.

It's been there.

Our life will be because we need the best version of you showing up each and every day and the disease of obesity is preventing the best version of you from doing that. So [00:52:45] everybody on this screen is here to help you. Get access to the care that, that you need. Last question, Dr. Dovick and Hannah, tell us a little bit about your grand opening that's happening.

Dr. Betsy Dovac: Thursday, March 6th, 6 p. m. Eastern, if you're in the greater Orlando area, we would love for you to stop by. You can find all of the very public [00:53:15] invitations. I, you know, there's so many of you who have watched. I have been inspired by your journeys and I hope that you are inspired by mine. I think that there are a lot of parallels and chopping [00:53:30] that Everest climb into these daily things.

It's for, it's for everybody that's had a part in it. Hannah will be right there with me arm and arm, um, with a patient and with my [00:54:00] colleagues and mentors and friends and family and my husband and my three kids and everybody who has allowed me. Um, to do this and the sacrifices they have made,

April Williams: you deserve every moment of joy and celebration that comes with this.

It is a bright and bold future for, for both of us, and we are just so thankful for your support, Dr. Dovick and Hannah. You guys have really been in our corner since [00:54:45] the beginning, and we could not have done it without your, your constant support and belief in us as patients. You really were 1 of the 1st professionals that point blank said to us.

We are onto something. We deserve better.

Dr. Betsy Dovac: That is awesome. Thank you for sharing that with me because it's all

Where can they go? Where can they find you? The easiest

I personally respond to every message that I get and so does Hannah, [00:56:15] um, hannahschuyler. rd. And then she's on the

So, um, check us out, same thing at the weight loss collab on Instagram or search us on your favorite platform. We have a lot of episodes, lots of topics. We're. Always [00:56:45] getting back on track with it. So we'll, we'll put out new ones. We promise, but check us out there as well.

April Williams: You know, 1 thing at a time, you're opening a giant surgical center and we'll make sure friends, all of those are linked in the show notes below.

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