00:00 Introduction and Morning Banter

00:51 Church Plant Challenges

01:19 Call for Volunteers

03:34 Fitness Program Idea

05:10 Daily Bible Reading: Theological Discussion

05:50 David's Census and Its Consequences

14:01 The Threshing Floor and Its Significance

19:00 Psalm 30: A Song of Praise

20:16 Conclusion and Sign Off

Happy Thursday, yo yo yo yo.

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Welcome to work.

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Version of the daily Bible podcast.

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That's a PJ and rod.

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Was he in the morning

for your morning commute?

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We're practicing our morning.

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FM radio show.

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Look out for the rain out there today.

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We need sound effects.

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Yeah, that's what we're missing.

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I think I've heard,

everyone's been asking.

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Uh, what are you guys going to get?

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Sound effects?

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Drops and drops.

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I mean, that's the thing that's missing.

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It is it is missing.

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I would agree with that.

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No, it is supposed to

storm though on Thursday.

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So if it is storming today,

look out and watch out.

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I've heard about hail and, and.

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Floods and tornadoes and everything else.

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So people listening from

all over, they may not.

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Well, Texas.

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But we, we are, so it doesn't really

matter what the deal that's true.

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Yep.

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That's that's it.

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That's it exactly.

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That's it.

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In a nutshell.

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Um, Hey, we're a church plant.

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Uh, I don't know.

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Did you know that pastor Ron,

we are we're a church plant.

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The only thing that gave it away was the

constant setting up and tearing down.

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Besides that if everything else

feels pretty flawless, right.

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And we were talking about it this

week, uh, because our, our, our setup

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and tear down team is fantastic.

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Uh, but we'll just be honest with you.

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It's understaffed and

are set up and tear down.

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Team does a great job and

without complaining without.

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They just do it.

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They just do it.

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But here's the thing, church.

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We, we need that team to, to be.

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Yeah.

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We'd like some strong godly men.

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Right.

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Especially men, if you're listening

to this man, and I know that's

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a bunch of women summit, right?

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So many of our, uh, so many of our

people are already serving in some

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area and that's kind of the nature of

the church plant at this stage right

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now is people are going to be doing

multiple things in multiple areas.

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And so I know that you may

be listening, going well, I'm

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already involved over here.

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And I get that, man.

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And we love that.

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And good job.

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We're going to ask you to,

to say, Hey, I've all right.

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Yeah.

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Let me, let me do set up and tear down to.

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Um, because we really do need this.

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We talked about man, maybe

one of these weeks, we just

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needed to do no setup at all.

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And just to kind of say, this

is if you're in the lights off.

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If we didn't have a team,

this is what it would be.

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This is what we're working with.

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Right.

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You know, maybe someday, maybe

somebody will throw it out there and

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it could be part of a series like

you're necessary for the church's

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function, something like that.

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Right.

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That could be fun.

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And maybe we steal some people

from some other stack teams.

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Fatality.

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I'm looking at you.

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You.

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Sounded like 75 people, so many

and Hey, praise God for that.

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People love to serve, but we might steal a

couple of people's all I'm saying, right?

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Yeah.

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Or if you're kind of.

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Getting new to the church and in.

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You haven't been with us for too long.

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Hey set up and tear down great place

to, to show up and meet people and yeah.

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And you get a good workout in the morning.

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And the afternoon.

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So when you go to the country buffet

after Sunday morning church, you've earned

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it and you heard it here first folks,

but, uh, I believe we're going to start

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doing breakfast every other week, so that

we've, we've got through there for our

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setup team in the mornings twice a month.

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We're trying where we try to hit the,

the variety of teams that are there.

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So.

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Twice a month, we're going to do it.

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So we're going to read a feed.

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You guys.

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Honor you.

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Uh, w what did Jesus say?

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You shall not muzzle in Oxford.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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So we won't muzzle you.

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Um, no muscles for you.

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We're going to feed, you

know, but I'll joking aside.

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We do have a need here.

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We've got, uh, just to give you

numbers, we've got nine people and that

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includes pastor, rod and I on that team.

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No, we are too.

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Do it tonight.

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Yeah, two of the nine and, uh, and

that's divided up into two teams and

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they're doing set up and tear down for

our staging and all of our seats in our.

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Uh, the backdrop, the musical

instruments, the tech booth.

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All that stuff.

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Yeah.

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Stages this huge too.

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Yeah.

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Stage chair's moving in and out.

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Take it, packing the trailer,

unpacking the trailer.

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I mean, all that's part of

the setup and tear down.

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And I don't know if you've noticed me

and pastor PG are getting like super buff

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it's because of the setup and tear down.

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We're actually thinking about marketing

it as a fitness program, new program.

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And we're going to charge

people to be part of it.

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You got to like Tom Sawyer with

the painting, the fence, we're

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going to do the same thing.

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Yep.

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And get them to come to our churches.

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Send a subscription to be part of

our setup and tear down fitness club.

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Right.

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And then you have to join our church.

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You'll get physically

and spiritually swole.

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That's right.

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Boom done market it.

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We're offering it to you guys for free

because you're part of our church.

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Yeah.

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That's how much we love you.

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Any part of this?

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You want to, you want to have your

body shapes and your associate ban.

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Set up and tear down team.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, that's a need also

again, if you have a truck.

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And, uh, you know how to drive

it and that's good qualifier.

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Can I hook it up to a trailer also.

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Good.

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Yeah.

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We need guys to, to take trailers

for us to, and from the storage yard,

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that's, that's another big need for us.

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So, uh, we're coming to you guys making

a specific Pally for that because

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that's a big need that we have right

now for our church is a to stock

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that team so we can have more bodies

to, to help us get the work done.

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And if you're in a building

with a church facility with the

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facilities team and you just have.

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Your church has this figured out,

you guys got this going on or

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you just show up things are done.

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Man you better.

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Thank God for it.

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Right.

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'cause I, I I've been part of

several mobile churches now and

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I just never learned the lesson.

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I thought I learned the

lesson the first time.

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I just done it.

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I did not appreciate it enough.

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So if you have a church where everything's

done for you, praise the Lord for that.

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Thank God.

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Go pat someone on the shoulder say

thank you for doing what you're doing.

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Yeah.

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Thanks for setting this up.

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Thanks for turning on the lights.

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Thanks for mixing the audio.

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Thank those people, right.

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And maybe you should serve too, right?

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If you're not doing it already, right.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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That out of the way, let's jump

into our daily Bible reading.

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Oh, this is a juicy one.

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I can't wait to hear you

untangle the theological nut

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that everyone's going to be.

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If you read this already, you know

what pastor, Peter's going to have

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to talk about, hold your horses.

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He's coming to it.

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He's going to resolve all of

your theological questions.

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To a tee.

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In fact, you're going to here's my

personal guarantee from pastor PJ.

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I basically I'm quoting him.

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He hasn't said this, but I'm

almost confident he would,

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I will resolve all of it.

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Theological issues or your money back.

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I will double their money,

whatever money that they.

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It's a podcast.

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We will double.

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Yeah.

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That's the guarantee.

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Yeah, you'll get paid back.

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Yeah.

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Hey, uh, second Samuel 24.

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The reason why this is so sticky is

because you've got second Samuel 24

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and then, uh, first Chronicles 21.

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Uh, apparently it at least

seemingly disagreeing here.

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Um, As second, Samuel 24 opens up.

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We're not sure exactly what drew the

anger of the Lord in this situation.

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That's mentioned here, but it led

him the Lord in second, Samuel 24.

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Uh, to incite David against Israel

by telling David to go and take a

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census to number Israel and Judah.

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You think, why is that a big deal?

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Well, the census was

forbidden by the Lord.

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They weren't supposed to take

a census in the reason why is

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because it was a temptation.

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Uh, to put the trust, not in

God, for deliverance, but in

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their armies, in their numbers.

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And, and so this was a, uh, a thing that

was forbidden for the king to do because

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the king was supposed to trust in the Lord

and not in the numbers, not in the armies.

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And so that's why, even as it goes

on, w when David tells Joanne to go

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and do this job initially pushes back

and says, we don't need to do this.

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You, you were, were good.

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We were fine.

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We don't need to do this.

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And yet.

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David pushes through and

tells Joe app to do this now.

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Uh, put your, leave a finger

there in second, Samuel 24.

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If we go over to first

Chronicles, chapter 21 now.

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Uh, what we'll find there is

rather than it saying that the Lord

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inside of David look at second.

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All right.

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First Chronicles, 21 1.

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Then Satan stood against Israel

and incited David to number Israel.

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So second Samuel 24.

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You've got, God's saying

to David, go number Israel.

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First Chronicles 21.

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You've got Satan telling

David go a number Israel.

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So who inside of David

to go and number Israel.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Is that the right answer Satan or was.

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Yes.

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Uh, it man, there's, there's a lot of

similarities here to the opening of job.

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There's a lot of similarities to

where a job is, is highlighted by

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God as Satan is commenting on the

fact that there's no one righteous.

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I'm looking for somebody.

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I can't find anybody.

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And God says, have you considered jail?

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And Satan has to have permission

from God to afflict job.

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And so the question who

afflicted job God or Satan, the

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answer is yes, they both did.

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So here in you have a situation where

God's God is the primary and chief

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sovereign one over the events of second

team of 24 and first Chronicles 21.

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And I would even say that it's, God's

anger that precipitates the events of

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second Samuel 24 and first Chronicles 21.

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Okay.

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Satan being the instrument that

God employed to be able to incite

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David, to number the people and,

and go against the command of God.

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So.

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Second team of 24 God incited.

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David, how did God incite David by

permissively, allowing Satan to insight

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David against the Lord's command to

go a number of the people of Israel.

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You used the word permissive.

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It seems like this is more

directive on God's side.

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Um, is that, is that a fair?

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Is that a fair clarification?

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We typically as.

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As people of archeological Stripe

will say, God permits evil.

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Uh, Are we wrong to say, though,

that God is behind all things

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in all places at all times.

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Including evil, even, even if he's not

directly responsible for it, right?

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Yeah.

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No, I think that's not wrong to say that.

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And the chief example of that being the

crucifixion, when Peter stands up on the

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day of Pentecost and says this Jesus.

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Uh, delivered over, over to you,

according to the definite plan

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and formula for knowledge of God.

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Right?

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Um, that the crucifixion, which is one

of the greatest evil acts that has ever

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been committed to, to kill the son of God.

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Right.

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Was according to the definite

plan and foreknowledge of God.

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Uh, is indicative of the fact that he

is behind in ordaining and, and even

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orchestrating these, these events.

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So.

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One of the challenges.

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One of the quandaries at least

mentally is, it seems like then.

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God is responsible for evil.

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How do we avoid that?

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It seems like an obvious conclusion.

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Um, even there there's opponents who

will charge us with the same thing

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and they'll say, well, clearly your

God is capricious and he's volatile.

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He's evil one day.

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He's good.

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The next day, your God is unpredictable.

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Um, that's clearly not

what scripture presents.

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So how do we put these pieces together?

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Uh, because it's, it's hard.

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It's hard to see, we got these

two passages here where clearly

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the author knows what the other

one said, what do we do with that?

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Yeah.

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Well, it's, it's again, the idea of God's

sovereignty and man's responsibility.

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Uh, scripture teaches both of

those things and holds them

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in perfect parallel tension.

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Whereas we see them as, as intersecting

and contradicting one another

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that they have to come to a head.

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And yet scripture teaches them

both that God is a hundred

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percent sovereign over the events.

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The affairs of mankind, including evil

things like the crucifixion of Jesus.

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And yet man is a hundred percent

responsible for his actions and the

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things that he does in that, even

though they are done in accordance

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with the will and plan of God.

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A decreed will of God.

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Um, and so w th the, the, the

tension is there and it's felt,

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and it's, it's understandable.

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And yet what we find in the scripture

is both things are, are, are taught.

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And so are we held accountable

for our actions and our decisions

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and the things that we do that

evil and wicked things that we do.

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Yes.

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There's not a single

innocent person in hell.

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Um, everybody that is in hell is

suffering for seeing that they committed.

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And guilt that they incurred.

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Um, and yet is God's

sovereign over those things.

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Even as we talked about it a

little bit last Sunday, with the

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idea of God's sovereignty over our

salvation, even though these things

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are all related to one another.

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Yeah, he is sovereign over our

salvation and, uh, those are, are

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difficult things to, to reconcile.

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And that's why they've plagued the logins

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Yeah.

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And I suppose that one of the things

that we could quickly miss and gloss

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over in an effort to resolve this

tension in our own minds, Is what's

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so interesting and comforting here.

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And it's that the devil is God's devil.

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The devil is not just running

around without a leash,

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just kind of wreaking havoc.

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As he sees fit, everything has

to go through the providential.

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Sovereign decree of God.

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Uh, Providence in terms of how he

rules the world, but also his sovereign

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decree that there's a, both ant here.

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Now God is operating the whole universe.

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And nothing that happens

then is, is accidental.

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It's all.

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According to his sovereign

purposes, you quoted acts 2 23.

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Um, even though Jesus was delivered

up according to the definite plan and

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foreknowledge of God, God still says,

or through Peter, you crucified and

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killed by the hands of law plus men.

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So.

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T to bring it to a close again.

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It's God's sovereign plans

and man's responsibility.

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How we put these two together.

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It's hard to know for sure, but

the Bible teaches both and we ought

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to, as Spurgeon once said, not put

at odds, those who scripture says

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our friends, they work together.

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And therefore we have to take that

at face value, even though our

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theological systems, our logic

and our reasoning may come short

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and say, no, it can't be that way.

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Well, God says it is.

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We need to trust him instead

of trusting our shortsighted.

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Very limited insight.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, and just to let you know, I

mean, this is hard, um, and if you

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find it hard and uncomfortable,

then I think you get it.

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Yes.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Yeah.

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Well after the census, because Joe

does obey his king and goes out and in

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numbers, the Army's, uh, David falls

almost immediately under conviction

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and he responds appropriately.

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And again, I, I mentioned this back.

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In the context of his sin with Bathsheba.

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I think he learned from that.

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Uh, because he doesn't try to cover it up.

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He doesn't go into a

self justification mode.

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He simply goes to the Lord and in

confesses and says what he did is wrong.

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And the load responds by saying, okay.

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Uh, you know, forgiveness,

but not without consequence.

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And so God gives him kind of a

choice, a, B or C, what do you want?

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And David cast himself into the hands

of God and says, I'm going to trust you.

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I'd rather be in your hands

than in the hands of men.

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The wise choice.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, and yet people die.

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Uh, 70,000 men die as a result

of, of David's sin here as

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a result of David's action.

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And I think the number is so large,

because again, it's in the consequences

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in direct concert with the sin,

the sin was I'm going to trust in

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numbers, and God says, I'm going

to take away a large number here.

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Right.

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And so he removes 70,000 meant

the angel of the Lord is, is the

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one that is sent out to destroy.

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Again, so often in scripture,

it's the pre-incarnate Christ.

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Uh, who's the execute executioner of

God's judgment here in this context.

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And, and he comes to the threshing floor

of a RUENA or a Ronna, the Gebbie site.

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Uh, and he's about to go

after Jerusalem when he stops.

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When he stops and he stops right there.

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And you might say, well,

what's the significance?

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Well, the threshing floor of Aroona

is also known by a couple other names.

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One of them is mountain

before you go there.

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Uh, RUENA Urana Urana is also Ornan.

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So if you go to second Chronicles,

Just remember, these are the two.

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Same guy, same guy, different,

different name, a nickname who knows

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what the, what the difference was,

but there's two names for this guy.

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So that's going to be important

as you talk about more names.

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Yes.

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Go for it.

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So he's there and, uh, Two of the

other names of, of the threshing floor.

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Uh, one is Mount Moriah.

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It sounds familiar.

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Yeah.

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You may remember that.

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That's where Abraham took Isaac and bound.

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Isaac.

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Exactly.

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And then the other is the temple Mount.

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Oh, this is going to be the place

where David is going to direct a

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Solomon to erect the temple of God.

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And that's, what's going to happen.

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This is where the angel

of the Lord stops though.

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And he stops before he gets to Jerusalem.

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Why Jerusalem?

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Jerusalem was God's city.

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It was the place that God had

had chosen for his name to

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dwell there forever and ever.

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There's.

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There's I think undercurrents of

the Davidic covenant behind the,

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the ceasing here and the stopping

here of God, remembering his

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faithfulness to his covenant and

his faithfulness to his people.

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They weren't going to

be wiped out completely.

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But David is instructed then to build

an altar there where the angel of the

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Lord had stayed his hand of judgment.

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And so he does so and makes

these peace offerings, these

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burnt offerings to the Lord.

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Uh, which are the first offerings

offered in that spot since Abraham

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had offered up Isaac to the Lord.

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So long ago, before this.

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Um, And, uh, and, and so we get the,

the alter established there, which

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down the road will become the temple.

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That's exciting.

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It is.

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In fact, you talked about this guy not

too long ago, but expedition Bible.

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I think that's what it's called.

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Right?

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You too.

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Yep.

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YouTube channel.

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Uh, that has a really cool

it's 25, maybe 30 minutes

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documentary about this very spot.

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I found it supremely helpful because

I haven't been there and being

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able to see it and understand some

of the history behind it does a

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really good job of explaining this.

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And exploring some of the territory.

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So expedition Bible look

for, uh, I don't know.

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Oren in the job site or something

like that, just look up the temp.

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I'll look up the temple Mount

and he'll talk all about it.

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It really, really worth the time.

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Yeah.

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By the way, if you have seen the

temple Mount or picture of the temple

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Mount, you know that today the temple

is not standing, but instead you've

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got the dome of the rock that's right.

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Which is a shrine, not

mosque, but a shrine.

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Uh, it's an.

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Islamic shrine.

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And it's a shrine that is built over a

holy site to them, which is the rock.

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Where they would say.

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Uh, not Isaac, but Ishmael was

bound and offered by Abraham.

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Yeah.

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Scoffing at that.

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Scott, Scott, Scott.

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Yeah.

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No.

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And that's where, uh, the Muslims and

Christians really begin to depart is, is

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the promise given to Isaac or to Ishmael.

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And on many other things as well,

but, uh, that's why that holy set

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is there for the Muslim people.

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They believe that that's where Ishmael

was, was sacrificed or, or offered.

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Um, we would say no, that's where

Isaac was, but that dome the dome

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of the rock that the center of that

dome is directly over where the rock

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is purported to be where the altar

was built and where Isaac was laid.

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So it's.

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It's fascinating if I've seen

inside, um, through pictures of

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the, the dome of the rock and

there is a place carved out there.

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Uh, A hole in the floor where you can look

down and actually see exposed rock there.

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And that's what they would point to now.

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Can we be sure on that?

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Can we be a hundred

percent positive on that?

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Um, you know, on the one hit, I would say

no, but on the other hand, because of the

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rich tradition in oral history, that is,

is part of the, the, these people groups.

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Um, you go to a lot of the holy

sites in Israel today, and it's not

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like right after the events, they

put up a plaque there and said this.

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What had happened, but.

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Uh, significant things were

remembered by the people.

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And they were passed down from

generation to generation, to

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generation, to generation to

say, this is where this happened.

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And, uh, and so there's, there's a

lot of confidence that we can have

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in things, even though there wasn't

a historical marker put up right in

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the, on the heels of what took place.

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So it's possible.

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It's possible.

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Oh, that's the same possible.

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Interesting.

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And that was the threshing

floor of the Jedi site, though.

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So, uh, first Chronicles, 22.

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Uh, first Chronicles 21, a lot of

what we just read is paralleled

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there again with just the difference

being that Satan is the one that

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incites David there, instead of God.

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Uh, we hopefully totally

explained all of that.

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So you have no more questions on that, or

are you going to get your money back or.

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Terrible first Chronicles 22, though,

you get a David, even though he's

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not going to build the temple, he

wanted to make sure that all the

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supplies were ready for the temple.

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And so he called Solomon who would

be a successor and charges him

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to build the house of the Lord.

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Um, And no, here it's interesting

David prays that God would give

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Solomon wisdom and discretion.

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And when he rules his people.

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So maybe that was still echoing

in Solomon's mind when God asks

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Solomon, Hey, what do you want?

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What should I give you?

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Maybe he's hearing his father's prayer

for him in the back of his mind, going

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my dad prayed that I would have wisdom.

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I think that's a.

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I need wisdom.

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That's a good connection.

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Yeah.

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So I'm 30 then.

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Uh, though we wouldn't be there

for it, like much like gathering

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the supplies for the temple.

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David wanted to make sure that there was

worship appropriate for the event as well.

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So David writes this Psalm in Psalm 30 to

be sung at the dedication of the temple.

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And it's an apt summary of God's

faithfulness to him through the

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various stages of his, his life.

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I like the verse five, his anger is, but

for a moment, his favor for a lifetime.

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We being made tarry for the night,

but joy comes with the morning.

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Yup.

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I think a lot of people know that

verse because it's so special.

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So precious.

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God, God.

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God does get angry, but that's

not essential to his being.

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Um, has, has.

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The essence of who he is is gracious,

merciful, and he's, he's good.

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The anger and his wrath and

his retribution comes from

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his righteous and just nature.

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So that's really cool.

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I think this is appropriate for,

I mean, this is the verse 11.

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You've turned it mourning into dancing.

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I like that one too, because it says.

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It's a praise type song causes you

to do it, to say, you know what?

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Maybe we should be dancing

more in our worship gatherings.

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You heard it here first.

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First off.

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If I could get you to lead the

congregation, I think they might follow.

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I got rhythm is not something God gave me.

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All you need is a two-step.

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One to the left one to the right.

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I do.

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But not, not quite so egregiously too.

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Yeah.

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