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Nancy's Time Capsule
Episode 26 • 25th February 2024 • Clover Club • Hawkins & Clover
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In this captivating episode we journey through the remarkable life of Nancy Rorabaugh. At 86, Nancy shares the vivid tapestry of her experiences, beginning with her childhood during the tumultuous times of World War II. Her story unfolds through tales of love and loss, featuring two marriages that shaped her path, and brought her two wonderful daughters. Nancy takes us behind the scenes of a 30-year illustrious career in the male dominated advertising industry, where her creating and determination left and indelible mark. But Nancy's adventures didn't stop at the office door; her passion for exploration took her across the globe, experiencing the vast beauty and diversity of our world through International travel. Beyond her achievements and adventures, Nancy reflects on the profound themes of love and again, offering listeners a treasure trove of wisdom and inspiration. Join us for an episode that's not just a journey through Nancy's life but a reflection on the enduring power of living fully at every age.

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Welcome to Clover club, a podcast

about curious conversations and stories

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intended to make you laugh and learn.

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I'm your host, Erica.

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And today.

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Oh, boy, I am.

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I say this every episode that I'm

excited, but this is like very special.

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So today I'm joined by Nancy or a bot.

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She is a friend, a neighbor, a client.

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And one of the coolest and baddest

bitches I have ever met in my life.

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Um, Nancy.

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Hi.

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Erica.

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Thank you so much for

coming on Clover club.

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Welcome my pleasure.

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So, , Nancy, I don't know if it's, because

I've never had a close relationship

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with a grandmother, but you have this.

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, Wisdom and energy and these amazing

stories that sweep so many decades

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that I just cannot get enough of.

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And today it's just going to be

my absolute pleasure to just sort

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of wind Nancy up and let her go.

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Because , the experiences that you've had

in your 86 years, Are just unbelievable.

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, so I know you've got a busy

schedule and I appreciate you

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taking time to sit down with me.

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Sweetie.

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I don't have a busy schedule

because I'm retired.

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And so I'm delighted to be here.

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It's something to do.

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I love it.

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Happy to give you something to do Nancy.

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Um, so Nancy, what year were you born?

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19 37, 19 37.

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My goodness.

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So, , recently I saw Nancy,

I was cutting your hair.

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And you made a comment about reconnecting

with a childhood friend of yours.

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Did you say you met in second grade?

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Yes, I did.

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Okay.

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So a woman that Nancy had met in

second grade, and you just casually

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mentioned that you had moved around a

lot as a kid because of world war II.

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Correct.

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And that was just like a crazy

thing for me to hear you say.

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, because that was obviously a long

time ago and here you are just.

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Hanging out.

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And will you just like, what was it like

growing up in the middle of a world war?

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The earliest memory I have was

before dad was stationed in

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the air force during the war.

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Okay.

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And we're stationed out in Denver,

but prior to our going to Denver,

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Uh, we had air raids and, uh, the

sirens would go off all the lights.

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You had to turn the lights off.

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In the house all over.

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Lynchburg.

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Um, so I would sit in the dark with

my mother and my younger sister.

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And wait for, for the SAR orange to stop

blurring because it was a bomb alert.

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In other words, we had.

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Uh, different dads in the

night, walking the neighborhood.

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Okay.

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My uncle was one of them.

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And, , Wait for the sirens to stop.

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And, , then the lights came back

on and I did not understand.

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I knew it was scary.

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And it was terrified, but at four

didn't have any comprehension.

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Um, the war.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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How long would that normally last for?

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I would.

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Well, what do I remember at 86?

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Four.

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It seemed like an eternity

to me, I would say.

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Probably a good 20 minutes or more.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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And it was always a warning,

but never an actual bombing.

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Right?

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Of course.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Sounds good.

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We have, in retrospect, might've

been good to bomb Lynchburg, but.

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Hello.

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We can go there another time.

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I mean, I've got all the

time in the world, man.

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It's my day off.

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Okay.

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My goodness.

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Okay.

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So that is.

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That was the beginning, Erica.

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And then we, uh, dad went to Denver.

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He was stationed down at Tom.

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Air force base there.

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And.

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Mom and Ann and I took a train out

to Denver and I have some of the

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fondest memories of train rides.

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I love trains.

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Yeah.

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And then was out there till 45.

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Okay.

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That's when they, uh, And came and

there's a big parade and everything.

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And I remember being.

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My bike all with red, white, and blue.

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Wow, you know, Crepe paper and it, you

know, we celebrated the end of the war.

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And I have the.

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During that I remember mom and dad huddled

on the sofa, listening to the radio,

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to the news reports every single night.

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I like that.

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And I didn't get.

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All of the intensity of it.

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Of course still young.

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But, um, I knew something was not right.

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Yeah.

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But the biggest memory I have is going out

to the air force base to the dinner club.

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And of course it was

balancing and everything.

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And I fell in love with

a young Lieutenant.

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Oh, at nine years old.

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Well, yes, because he'd asked me to

dance and I could put my feet on top

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of his and that's the way we dance.

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That's one of the biggest memories I have

of Denver is dancing on that young man.

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I was madly in love with him.

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And this is not your first husband.

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No, no.

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No, no.

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We've got plenty of

time between them there.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So the war ended.

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Did you stay in Denver?

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No.

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Dad transitioned out, uh,

down into Harland or Texas,

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which is my idea of hell.

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And, um, Hotter than you can imagine.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, we had to shake our shoes every

morning to be sure there weren't spiders.

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Oh, goodness.

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Uh, you know, it was.

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Plus having to sleep in the same bed with

my sister, which was not a good thing.

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Not ideal.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And how long were you there for?

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I.

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Um, Vasquez was probably

a year, maybe not quite.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So you moved around a lot as a kid

because of your, because of the day.

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All of the war.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So, uh, Later in life.

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You.

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I followed the path of an artist I did.

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How did that come about?

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I always could draw.

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Okay.

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And, uh, the biggest thing that

my parents were impressed with

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is in the coloring books, Erica.

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I would stay in the lines.

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I never came out of the lines.

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Perfect color.

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Perfect.

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Uh, distribution of color, nothing,

you know, and they decided at

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that point that I was artistic.

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Yeah.

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And they kept telling me now my aunt

Jane dad's sister was an artist, so

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they thought I had inherited that.

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And indeed, I probably do.

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That's so close.

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I could always draw.

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I spent hours.

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In my room, drawing my hands and I love.

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Biting parts and you know,

and faces and stuff like that.

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So, yeah, that's so cool.

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So, , as a kid, did you know that

was something that you could,

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uh, , make a career out of or pursue

that way or, no, not that early,

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but I knew it was damn good at it.

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I love that competent and nobody else.

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You know, all through school

and high school, junior high

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and grade school, I could.

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Outdraw anybody.

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That's awesome.

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Did you ever win any like

competitions or anything like that?

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I did S uh, several, , that were

just local in the high school.

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Yeah.

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Uh, senior high.

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Okay.

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I've forgotten what they were, but yeah.

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That's awesome.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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, so you graduated from high school.

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Then what.

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Then I went to Mary

Washington for two years.

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I wanted a liberal arts degree.

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And then fully planned to transfer

to a it's VCU now, but it was

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Richmond professional Institute.

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It's time that I went okay.

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And, I knew I wanted to

be a commercial artist.

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It wasn't designed, or it

wasn't graphic designer.

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Wasn't advertising or branding

any of the stuff now, but, , new

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that's what I wanted to do and did

transfer to Richmond, um, and, uh,

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sophomore year for the last two years.

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Okay.

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That's where I met.

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Husband number one.

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Oh.

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Okay.

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He was, , from North Carolina.

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Okay.

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And, uh, also in the design group.

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And, uh, or the design class.

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And we.

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We're friends right away.

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And friendship first.

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Yeah.

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And then they say that's good.

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And it was, it was for me, it was, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's awesome.

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Okay.

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So you met your first husband,

you graduated from school.

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Then.

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No, I, I actually didn't graduate.

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Uh, my dad died.

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So I had to, David was still in school.

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Okay.

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And I went to work in a small agency.

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Because we were married at that point.

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And he was finishing up his last year.

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I couldn't afford to go family

couldn't afford to send me.

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Wow.

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Uh, to finish.

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So I didn't and we got yo.

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We were married.

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So I went to work and then, , we

moved to North Carolina.

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I had two children, so I

didn't go back to school.

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To finish up an undergraduate

degree to my daughters.

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We're like in kindergarten.

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Oh, interesting.

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First grade and kindergarten, you

know that and, um, Finished up the

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undergraduate degree at that point.

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Good for you and then

decided to go to grad school.

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And, , to be a fine arts

painter figure painter.

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Yeah.

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And, , at that point, And grad school.

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Decided I was going to

do male nudes because.

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Tired of looking at females.

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A lot of the female body and not a problem

with it, but I thought male bodies got.

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Got something going.

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You ready for a really risky story.

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Okay.

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Um, David and I home.

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Uh, smoked joint.

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And I looked at him and I said, strip.

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I want to draw.

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He looked at me, like shot him.

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And I said, oh, for God's sakes, not

anything I haven't seen for years.

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Seriously strip.

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I want to draw that's right.

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So I did.

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That's what started me on

my figure, my male figure.

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Painting.

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For grad school.

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So, , that's what I was doing first year.

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I walk into second year of grad school.

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The destructor comes in

and says, design something.

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, 65 feet and soft.

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Oh, wow.

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And I thought, damn, roll of toilet

paper with some drawing on it.

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Not going to solve this problem.

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Yeah.

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So I got, okay, Nancy, just walk in thing.

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You got a semester.

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Long story short.

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, Walk past some pipes that were

sought hissing sound coming from.

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And I thought that's it recording?

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65 feet of soft tape sound, not drawing,

not painting, not doing a damn thing.

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And that threw me into final year

of grad school doing a sound and

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light project based on not music.

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Soft sound.

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Wow.

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That's so innovative.

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Yeah.

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So I get.

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I know the sounds that you could just go.

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And I don't mean to, for it to sound

that way, but because I could draw

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and paint and watercolor, I could

do all mediums, pastel, all of that.

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I got bored with it.

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Very very easily.

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And it's still true today.

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Oh, I get bored doing the

same thing over again.

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And so I, I don't.

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That makes sense.

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Nancy.

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And I were chatting before we hit record

and she made a comment about, you know,

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just how interesting it is to learn how

to do a podcast and all this stuff in.

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We agreed that you should never stop

challenging yourself to learn new things.

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Absolutely.

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Um, because it does get boring.

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If you know that you're good at

something, and there's not much

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of a challenge in that, you know?

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Correct.

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So I love that from a young age, you

identified that really absolutely.

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The hard path.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Challenging past.

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And it excited me, Erica.

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, and I do that now with photography.

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I don't paint or draw anymore.

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I.

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I don't want to.

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Yeah.

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But I do photography and

what I realize I can do.

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Is create texture and go in

close with the micro land.

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And see things that I had

never seen before that you

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can't see with the naked eye.

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And it reminded me of biology class.

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And how fascinated I was in the labs under

the microscope, looking at cell structure.

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And that you are not visible to the naked

eye, but there it was under microscope.

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So that's the same.

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What I get finally at this age.

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This point in my life.

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Creative.

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And excitement.

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Yeah.

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Is photography and going in on things that

I create and seeing things that I would

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never be able to see with a naked heart.

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That is so cool.

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Yeah.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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So, okay.

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You finished your degree.

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You've got these two young kids.

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You're still married at this point.

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Um, ah, Take us from there.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Grad school.

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I told you I was in grad school.

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And it was a whole women's lib.

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Um, you know, everything, that's

just gone down the tubes now I

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fought very hard for women's rights.

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Great.

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Thank you.

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And, uh, uh, just kills my soul.

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, But in that.

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Two years of grad school,

I found my identity.

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Does that make sense to you?

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Yes.

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As an artist.

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As a woman.

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Um, An intelligence, everything.

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And at that point, and I did try.

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To make the marriage work.

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And realized I couldn't do it and it

wasn't going to be good for me to stay.

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Yeah.

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And so I elected.

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To leave.

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Um, I knew I couldn't take the children

because I wouldn't have been able to

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support them and husband, wasn't somebody

I could rely on for constant money.

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He just couldn't do it.

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So.

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I left.

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And that began my Odyssey.

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Down to Atlanta and into advertising.

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And.

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My career.

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It lasted almost 30 years and I was in my.

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Late thirties, early

forties at that point.

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Yeah.

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When I came to Atlanta.

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I'm fascinated by, well, hold on.

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How old were your girls then?

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Uh, when I divorced a seven and 10.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And did you, uh, I know

you're very close now.

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Did you keep in touch with that?

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Oh, God.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah, never deserted.

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No, I physically wasn't there, but

talk to them on the phone all the time.

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And I'm down to visit me, went

up there to visit friends and

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saw them at that point as well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm intrigued by.

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I mean, even now, As women

we're kind of sold this idea

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that our identity comes from.

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Marriage and childbirth.

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Correct.

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So I'm so impressed by.

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It at that time you identifying,

that's not the case.

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And I think that being

married can be great.

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I think that being a mother

can be great, but there's.

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That leaves that, how

do I want to say this?

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It's not enough, right?

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Because those are the things

that are outside of you.

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Is that something had

you always wanted kids.

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, like.

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How did you come to grips with.

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That not being the main part.

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Yes.

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I did, uh, because that's.

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You're talking about fifties women.

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Yeah.

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And that's what you did.

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You, you was.

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I was told I should get an education,

be educated for my husband.

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To be a good host.

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It's in to be a good.

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Intelligent person.

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That was the only reason

to get an education.

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I was encouraged to do it.

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Mom and dad, but yeah.

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Uh, that was the reason.

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You know, so I just thought

that's what you did.

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And I did, and, and I love David.

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Yeah, I didn't marry him

because I had to, or.

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Anything like that.

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I thought we'd be married forever.

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No, and didn't turn out that way.

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And the girls.

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It was, it was hard.

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But I knew I wasn't gonna really, I

wasn't going to survive if I didn't leave.

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And I tried to be there for him and have.

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Oh, yeah.

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Uh, regardless.

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And, I never stopped loving them.

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I mean, it wasn't that.

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I just, I remember when Jennifer there.

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This one was born and I.

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They put her in my arms and I thought.

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Oh, my God.

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What's this.

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you know, But, you know, it's instinctual

sure you are and there's love.

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And you know, it was fun

times and scary times.

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And you know, all of that, it

wasn't that I didn't, I didn't.

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We want them in a way that I think young

women today when they start families

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really want, they knew they wanted that.

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I just thought that's what you did.

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Yeah.

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And it's not that I didn't want it.

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Because I never questioned that I wanted

it and would be happy and was with them.

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I mean, you know, Uh, it was, I didn't

know a thing about raising children.

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All you have was Dr.

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Spock don't anybody.

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Anybody ever pick up one of those books.

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Because it was awful.

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I mean, that's all the backup you

had for any problem with a child.

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So it was hard.

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And I think for any woman in my

generation, Uh, it would have been

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a hard and they're probably some.

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That did that took, you

know, it was better.

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It wasn't, wasn't a children.

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That caused any.

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The, in the marriage, it

was me finding myself.

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Finding myself and who I was

for the first time in my life

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since van a very young girl.

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That's so beautiful.

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And I think a lot of people live

entire lifetimes and never find that.

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I had done that.

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They put themselves in the back burner

and then, you know, you wake up and

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you're 86 and you're like, oh man.

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Uh, daylight and a dollar short.

479

:

Yeah.

480

:

So I just I'm.

481

:

So I'm so impressed by that.

482

:

And I know that was, uh, especially

in the fifties, my God, I mean,

483

:

it's such a tough decision.

484

:

But I think that one in the sixties.

485

:

Okay.

486

:

Also tough.

487

:

Yeah.

488

:

Also tough.

489

:

Yeah.

490

:

No, definitely tough.

491

:

Yeah, definitely.

492

:

So you shared a story with me.

493

:

Nancy wants that.

494

:

I think.

495

:

Circles back into this part of your

timeline, where you mentioned you were

496

:

down here, you were working at an agency.

497

:

And in a male dominated field and

here you are a woman doing your thing.

498

:

Talk to me about what that was like.

499

:

It was difficult.

500

:

I don't know how many of your

audience ever watch madman,

501

:

but that's probably a lot.

502

:

That's what it was even in the

sixties that started in the fifties.

503

:

The program did, but the

things that were operative.

504

:

We're still there.

505

:

They weren't as overt.

506

:

Okay.

507

:

But they were there.

508

:

Interesting.

509

:

They were there and I.

510

:

Ran into that.

511

:

Uh, quite a few times.

512

:

Yeah.

513

:

And have to tell you I got

fired from every job because

514

:

I didn't take it anymore.

515

:

I just, you know, Pretty

much said what I thought.

516

:

Yeah.

517

:

Got fired.

518

:

Yeah, use.

519

:

Use it as a badge of courage.

520

:

But, , For instance.

521

:

I was let go.

522

:

And the creative

director took me to lunch.

523

:

And said, uh, we we've lost a couple

of clients and we have to, to do this.

524

:

Uh you're we're not

dissatisfied with your work.

525

:

You're a great designer.

526

:

You know, you do great

work and all of that.

527

:

And I said, well then why

are you letting me go?

528

:

I wasn't the last hired.

529

:

Yeah.

530

:

Uh, this young man was.

531

:

And he looked straight at me and

he said, well, he's got a wife.

532

:

And you don't have, you know, I was

dating someone and he said, you have.

533

:

This person.

534

:

Yeah.

535

:

And I, it was like, because I had

a man in my life that he could take

536

:

care of me and that wasn't the case.

537

:

Unbelievable.

538

:

And it was.

539

:

I realized that I probably

had a case to take to court.

540

:

But I knew if I did, I'd

never worked in Atlanta again.

541

:

That wasn't going to do that.

542

:

Yeah.

543

:

And what a crazy decision

to, to have to make.

544

:

Stand up for yourself, where to let it go.

545

:

It wasn't a job performance problem.

546

:

You see?

547

:

And it should have been

if that wasn't the case.

548

:

Last purse hired.

549

:

Sure.

550

:

First one, let go.

551

:

When you've lose clients.

552

:

Absolutely.

553

:

And they didn't lose.

554

:

They didn't let him go

because he was married.

555

:

She's working.

556

:

Oh, interesting.

557

:

Any families she's teacher.

558

:

Oh my gosh.

559

:

So just because he was

a man and had a woman.

560

:

Take care of he takes priority.

561

:

Yes.

562

:

Unbelievable.

563

:

Did anything else crazy like that happen?

564

:

Well, let me think.

565

:

Well, there's some really,

um, That was the only overt.

566

:

Okay.

567

:

Thing that did happen, but you

know, plenty of times where.

568

:

Well, I actually, in the same

agency, . We had a big client.

569

:

I did a campaign, which they presented

and they said, oh, You can't be in on

570

:

the presentation because you're a woman.

571

:

And if the client knew you were a

woman, we would lose the account.

572

:

What.

573

:

Are you able, what industry was the

accountant and you don't have to

574

:

call them out, but I'm just curious

what type of problems are, you

575

:

would know who I was talking about.

576

:

Okay.

577

:

I won't do that.

578

:

Yeah, curiosity is going to kill me.

579

:

I'll tell you independent of the podcast.

580

:

Perfect.

581

:

Can I wonder, can you answer this?

582

:

Is it like.

583

:

A male dominated product.

584

:

Uh, no, because, uh, well,

there's some of those I refused,

585

:

they, one of the agencies.

586

:

Later, you know, had a, uh, a rifle

account and I wouldn't, they asked me if I

587

:

wanted to work on it and I said, no, Nope.

588

:

No, no, no.

589

:

But, The one ad I was given

in this original agency.

590

:

Oh, I was with, um, The first day or they

gave me was a half page for a women's,

591

:

, lotion for stretch marks after my gosh.

592

:

Well, that should be your,

your expertise, Nancy.

593

:

Well, Yeah.

594

:

You know, I thought.

595

:

Okay.

596

:

This is not a challenge.

597

:

But I did a really good job.

598

:

And, , I was proud of, it was my

first one I could put in my portfolio.

599

:

Well, good for you.

600

:

And then they gave me another bigger.

601

:

The thing to do full page ad.

602

:

That really was a springboard

for me to further work.

603

:

That's cool.

604

:

Yeah.

605

:

Okay.

606

:

So you're in your mad

men era, you're fighting.

607

:

For feminism.

608

:

You're divorced, you're dating around.

609

:

I know husband number two comes

floating in at some point.

610

:

Okay.

611

:

I wasn't dating around, uh, you

know, I didn't mean it promiscuously.

612

:

No, no, no.

613

:

Well, um, unless, you know,

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

614

:

Uh, uh,

615

:

Man by and large, not attracted

to me because of my mouth.

616

:

So maybe that's my fault.

617

:

Yeah.

618

:

Uh, you know, that's pretty much

the way that is, but, um, Um,

619

:

It was seven years.

620

:

And then I met my second husband

through friends that I had worked

621

:

with at one of the agencies.

622

:

And we each marriage in

retrospect lasted 13 years.

623

:

Not really lucky, you know?

624

:

But.

625

:

I was in my late fifties

when the second one ended.

626

:

Okay.

627

:

And then my life began Erica.

628

:

Oh.

629

:

Cause I had always wanted to travel.

630

:

I wanted to see Greece.

631

:

And Italy and all of Europe, because I

was a big history, European history, nut.

632

:

As well as English literature.

633

:

Oh.

634

:

And I might just say.

635

:

Jane Austin didn't help me

in the men department cause

636

:

I was ever looking for Darcy.

637

:

Oh.

638

:

He doesn't exist.

639

:

He does not.

640

:

This does not exist.

641

:

Ladies, let me tell you.

642

:

So that was part of me looking

for the wrong thing as well.

643

:

Yeah.

644

:

Well, that also that

follows that same thread of.

645

:

From a young age kind of being

shown like this is what your

646

:

life is supposed to look like.

647

:

Yes.

648

:

What love is supposed to

look like and partnership.

649

:

And it's just not the case in equal.

650

:

Uh, she was so brilliant at it,

writing all of her stories where

651

:

the women having their own boys.

652

:

Yep.

653

:

And that was a real part of my.

654

:

Establishing who I was female.

655

:

Yeah.

656

:

I like that.

657

:

It wasn't my mother.

658

:

The two women that influenced

me the most were a Jane Austin.

659

:

And, , Georgia O'Keeffe.

660

:

Cool.

661

:

That's it.

662

:

Yeah, they, they formed.

663

:

MI good and bad.

664

:

You know, with though.

665

:

Looking for Darcy thing.

666

:

Ridiculous.

667

:

Not helpful, not helpful.

668

:

But there's a very oh,

romantic side to me.

669

:

Yeah.

670

:

Juxtaposed to the real list.

671

:

Yeah.

672

:

And it's a constant battle.

673

:

I can totally relate to that.

674

:

Why are you thinking about hard heart

saying, what are you thinking about?

675

:

You know, get over it.

676

:

It's not that easy.

677

:

Yeah.

678

:

No Daisy.

679

:

Did you know, when you

married your second husband?

680

:

That it wouldn't last forever.

681

:

No, not really.

682

:

Okay.

683

:

You know, but when no, cause

it was kind of a surprise.

684

:

Oh, interesting.

685

:

Okay.

686

:

Uh, who was a good bit younger than I was.

687

:

How much is a good bet?

688

:

Uh, 10 years.

689

:

Nine 10 years.

690

:

Yeah.

691

:

Okay.

692

:

They have to be younger

to keep up with me.

693

:

I love you.

694

:

And stripped gentlemen.

695

:

Pretty much.

696

:

My hero.

697

:

But what I was getting

ready to say, Erica.

698

:

Because it did break.

699

:

It allowed me to go to travel.

700

:

And, uh, when I turned 60, I thought.

701

:

I'm going.

702

:

Uh, I knew there had

been a type typography.

703

:

I love type.

704

:

I taught type.

705

:

The use of typography fonts,

all that love letter forms.

706

:

Absolutely adore them.

707

:

And, There was a big, a type I

conference in Redding, England.

708

:

Ooh, and it was happening.

709

:

, the summer or the, well,

it was not somewhere.

710

:

It was fall.

711

:

My birthday's in September.

712

:

Okay.

713

:

And, , I thought that's where

I'm from our 60th birthday.

714

:

I'm going to rent a car.

715

:

I'm going to fly.

716

:

I'm going to rent a car Gatwick

and I'm going to drive to Redding.

717

:

This is awesome.

718

:

And after I'm through with the conference,

I'm going to drive west to Boff and down.

719

:

You know, to solve it, I'm gonna,

and then go back, fly home.

720

:

Good for you.

721

:

And I practice walking on the side of the.

722

:

The wrong side of the street.

723

:

Yeah.

724

:

, I had a friend.

725

:

That was teaching at, Uh, where

I was and she was from England and

726

:

taught me all about roundabout.

727

:

So I knew how the drill was on that.

728

:

Yeah.

729

:

And did that and met my friend, Nan

at the conference and told her what

730

:

I was planning to do after you said.

731

:

Ooh, new.

732

:

You must come with me, you and

stay with me and John and I

733

:

will drive with you everywhere.

734

:

He sails.

735

:

I don't.

736

:

And we will travel.

737

:

And I said, okay.

738

:

If you insist.

739

:

So that set up for me.

740

:

I was never going to turn a

major birthday in the states.

741

:

Yes, I do the same thing.

742

:

Yeah.

743

:

And, uh, so that was

60, 70 a was in Italy.

744

:

Nice.

745

:

Unfortunately at 80, I ha I was here.

746

:

Well, it was.

747

:

Just health wise.

748

:

Yeah.

749

:

The stuff, I just couldn't do it so glad

I did it when I did, because I had about.

750

:

1215 years there that I just

went to, I was going to Europe.

751

:

Probably twice a year.

752

:

Yeah.

753

:

That's awesome.

754

:

Different conferences.

755

:

And then to visit Nan of friend, I

met at one of the conference was the

756

:

director of the Bauhaus in Weimar.

757

:

Wow.

758

:

And so I went to visit him and,

and his wife and, uh, was able to

759

:

see the beginnings about house.

760

:

Amazing.

761

:

And, , it was the things I've

been able to do in those years,

762

:

since that second divorce.

763

:

I wouldn't give anything.

764

:

So it was.

765

:

I'm forever grateful.

766

:

I that had happened.

767

:

I think every woman needs to

experience solo, international travel.

768

:

I agree with.

769

:

I totally agree.

770

:

There's totally more

character building and.

771

:

Absolutely.

772

:

Oh, how cool.

773

:

And you're resourceful.

774

:

You have to rely on your own resources.

775

:

And, , it's, it's great.

776

:

Ah, fodder for loyal.

777

:

Yeah.

778

:

Were you ever, , especially with that

60th birthday trip with the first big one?

779

:

Yes.

780

:

Were you fearful at all?

781

:

Or were you just enthusiastic and ready?

782

:

Oh, well, no.

783

:

Well, You're fearful.

784

:

I mean, you know, back, you

know, thinking to myself, oh

785

:

God, this is go way wrong, Nancy.

786

:

This could be really, really horrible,

but wouldn't let myself do it.

787

:

However, I will say.

788

:

That Redding England.

789

:

There is no from the highway,

no clear way into that.

790

:

City that little town, that

little city, not a huge town.

791

:

And I drove around the circumference

of reading over and over again.

792

:

And I thought headline reads.

793

:

American dyes and car, trying

to find the center of town.

794

:

Finally just took something that got

me down there on the main street.

795

:

And, but it wasn't clearly marked.

796

:

Yeah.

797

:

And I thought I'm not going

to make the conference.

798

:

I'd probably not even be alive.

799

:

Even if I just don't get

out of this circling vet.

800

:

And there's no I-phones back then.

801

:

No.

802

:

You are only, maybe you have

a paper map and that's it.

803

:

Well, yeah, I had, yeah,

that's pretty much it.

804

:

Yeah.

805

:

Um, I broke off an engagement and

took a big solo international trap.

806

:

And this was like, right.

807

:

Like, I think I may have had an

iPhone, but it wasn't there wasn't

808

:

the easy maps and navigation.

809

:

So this was still like you're

on your own and you're up.

810

:

We're getting lost in Paris

and having that scary feeling

811

:

of like, is this how I die?

812

:

Yeah.

813

:

Obviously the answer's no, but I mean,

When you have no one to rely on, but

814

:

yourself that is when magic happens.

815

:

Well, it reminds me of another store.

816

:

I'm going to go back.

817

:

Or while this is a college

at marijuana, Washington.

818

:

And I had a blind date set up.

819

:

Put through a friend of

mine there at west point.

820

:

And the head to try change buses in DC.

821

:

Okay.

822

:

I was going up for the weekend.

823

:

And, uh, I just, I decided

there was bus broke down in DC.

824

:

The one I was supposed

to take to New York.

825

:

And they were getting us on another one.

826

:

It was my decision at that point, Erica,

to turn around and go back to college.

827

:

Or to keep going and realize that I

would have to spend the night that

828

:

I wouldn't be able to get the bus

out of New York up to the point.

829

:

Um, okay.

830

:

In time.

831

:

Because of the delay.

832

:

And I've decided to keep going.

833

:

And I made a plan that I'd

get into New York city.

834

:

I would get a cab.

835

:

And go to, um, Y, uh, WCA.

836

:

Because I had enough money

that I could probably fit it.

837

:

Well, I went in there.

838

:

And they didn't have any rooms whatsoever.

839

:

So I.

840

:

When it calls for it, I can.

841

:

Act.

842

:

Well, Part of, it was part real and part

little over the top of Scarlet, but yeah.

843

:

Southern accent, New York.

844

:

You know, I was supposed

to go to the porn.

845

:

And I, I just haven't

got anywhere else to go.

846

:

Can I just sleep on a sofa in

the F you know, with tears and.

847

:

I really just don't know

what to do, you know?

848

:

And, , They S they put me

basically in a room closet.

849

:

Okay.

850

:

And it was had a bed in it, but the

toilet was down the hall and everything.

851

:

So I spent, I was fine.

852

:

I had a little box of rice

Krispies or something.

853

:

You know, so I've had myself.

854

:

You know, Out of a box corn CRISPR zone.

855

:

And, , got a taxi to the train

station the next morning.

856

:

I met one of the most interesting.

857

:

Taxi drivers.

858

:

In my life.

859

:

And I was telling him him.

860

:

He said, well, where are you going?

861

:

I said, up to the point

and I told him a story.

862

:

And he said.

863

:

Well, a little lady.

864

:

He said that's a lot for you must be

really in love with this young man.

865

:

And I said, oh no, it's first.

866

:

And I'd never met him.

867

:

I just wanted to go west point.

868

:

Yeah.

869

:

And, , got there and that's

a whole nother store.

870

:

But he did not turn into

one of the husbands.

871

:

No.

872

:

No, no, no, no, no.

873

:

But a fun adventure.

874

:

But that back to the point.

875

:

Of taking risks.

876

:

I wouldn't give anything.

877

:

And the taxi driver said,

when I said, oh no, no.

878

:

First time he said, well, little

lady, you got a lot of guts.

879

:

I love that very Brooklyn accent.

880

:

He said, man and wife drive

up every weekend on Sunday.

881

:

If it was Sunday, I drive you up myself.

882

:

Yeah.

883

:

Aw, you know, those are the things you

don't forget and interactions with people.

884

:

I've had all over the world.

885

:

And I wouldn't give anything for my life.

886

:

Absolutely.

887

:

We're fortunate.

888

:

You don't collect interesting

stories like that by playing it safe.

889

:

No.

890

:

Yeah.

891

:

It can be exciting and fun

and maybe a little scared.

892

:

Or safe and boring.

893

:

Yeah.

894

:

Yeah.

895

:

I think you just have to challenge

yourself whatever way that comes for you.

896

:

And.

897

:

I just encourage my granddaughters.

898

:

To do that because you

will never regret it.

899

:

Yeah, I agree with that.

900

:

So at 86 now, Nancy, you have a.

901

:

A good little track record behind you.

902

:

Of choosing.

903

:

The challenging choice.

904

:

Yes.

905

:

Are there any regrets that you have,

or is there any advice that you have

906

:

for younger women or people just

at different phases of their life

907

:

that you wish you could go back in

time and maybe tell your past self.

908

:

Or your granddaughters.

909

:

Uh, I I am at this

point, I have no regrets.

910

:

That's awesome.

911

:

The.

912

:

They grow grit.

913

:

That I do have is that I

did have to leave my girls.

914

:

But it was survival.

915

:

For me.

916

:

Yeah, it wasn't.

917

:

Didn't leave him because I didn't want

him didn't want him or didn't love him.

918

:

That wasn't the thing.

919

:

So if I had to look at one regret,

Not to go back and change it.

920

:

Because I wouldn't have.

921

:

I wouldn't have sure.

922

:

You don't have to.

923

:

There's some regret that

it couldn't have been.

924

:

Yeah, I.

925

:

I've tried to be there for him as much.

926

:

And this life of mine

is I could possible be.

927

:

Well, I would think that the other

side of that choice is staying.

928

:

In a dynamic that you were unhappy

in and then modeling for your

929

:

girls, that their happiness was

less important than their partners.

930

:

Right?

931

:

Right.

932

:

Yeah, correct.

933

:

So, I mean, That makes sense.

934

:

Yeah.

935

:

Yeah.

936

:

So it's just the way it was.

937

:

And I'm at the end of my life,

Erica and I don't regret anything.

938

:

I'm very grateful.

939

:

That's cool.

940

:

Good fortune I've had.

941

:

Yeah.

942

:

One little regret is that, but

I wouldn't have changed it.

943

:

So.

944

:

Um, I guess it's not regret so much.

945

:

It's just some sadness.

946

:

Yeah.

947

:

That's okay.

948

:

Yeah, but it's, it sounds like

the trajectory of your life

949

:

would have been vastly different.

950

:

Had you oh, Yeah, I would have been.

951

:

Um, I wasn't in a good head.

952

:

Yeah, it was not a choice.

953

:

Yeah, I wouldn't, I

don't know how long our.

954

:

What are some are doing?

955

:

Well, I appreciate you.

956

:

Being so candid and share.

957

:

Yeah.

958

:

Um, I think everybody's journey

is different, but I encourage.

959

:

Uh, I have certainly encouraged

my granddaughters to be

960

:

their individual selves.

961

:

And to take care of themselves and do what

they needed to do for them regardless.

962

:

Yeah.

963

:

Yeah.

964

:

I know you're 86, but what type of

fun plans do you have in the future?

965

:

Well, Remember the story

about my childhood friend.

966

:

Yes.

967

:

Yes.

968

:

Share this with them.

969

:

Yes, I looked, I looked her up.

970

:

She was just your maiden name.

971

:

Cause I've forgotten her married name.

972

:

And I knew they were in Baltimore

and I just put in her maiden

973

:

name and Baltimore, Maryland.

974

:

She came up.

975

:

And I paid somebody white

pagers or somebody 12 bucks.

976

:

To get me a phone number

and an address yeah.

977

:

And called her.

978

:

And, and, and she didn't answer because

she was, she was out and she called me

979

:

back and she said, oh my God, Nancy.

980

:

She said, I couldn't get my coat off.

981

:

Fast enough.

982

:

And we just started yeah.

983

:

Going away and, All stories and

remember to the very same way.

984

:

So I'm going to fly to

Baltimore to see her.

985

:

Uh, in April.

986

:

Just a long weekend.

987

:

No, but I think you said it's been 60

years since you've seen each other.

988

:

Wow.

989

:

And it felt like no time

had passed when you chatted.

990

:

No.

991

:

It's like nothing had happened.

992

:

That's so cool.

993

:

I think of like our bodies age as we move

through time, but our soul really doesn't.

994

:

Resonate with you.

995

:

I would agree with that.

996

:

That's so cool.

997

:

Yeah.

998

:

Yup.

999

:

I feel like you've done a

good job of staying young ass.

:

00:39:22,170 --> 00:39:23,220

Energetically.

:

00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:28,110

What would you attribute, attribute that

to your travels and just self exploration?

:

00:39:28,110 --> 00:39:29,970

Or is there anything

else specifically that.

:

00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:31,920

I added to that.

:

00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:34,050

I like people.

:

00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:37,230

I interact with them regardless, or I am.

:

00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:37,620

Aye.

:

00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:38,940

Want to find the joy in.

:

00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:40,800

I don't want to be old.

:

00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:42,360

I mean, I am getting old.

:

00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:43,140

Trust me.

:

00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:45,480

Anybody listening to

this, trust me, I'm old.

:

00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:51,120

But, Don't ever lose your curiosity or

your interest in other people and things.

:

00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,680

You don't have to be best friends.

:

00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,510

You, you can talk to somebody.

:

00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:59,190

That's serving your coffee or

whatever, and yet to be really.

:

00:40:00,150 --> 00:40:02,130

Relate on a human.

:

00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:04,590

Positive connected level.

:

00:40:04,650 --> 00:40:05,070

Yeah.

:

00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:06,630

And that's what I love.

:

00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:07,140

Yeah.

:

00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,270

Regardless, it could be out on a walk.

:

00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:10,890

Can be anywhere.

:

00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,340

Yeah.

:

00:40:11,850 --> 00:40:12,630

That's so cool.

:

00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,660

And if you don't lose.

:

00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:20,590

Um, your appreciation or your

love for that, or just what.

:

00:40:20,590 --> 00:40:22,960

What interesting person lied on meat.

:

00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:28,420

Or thing might happen because

I said hello to somebody.

:

00:40:28,450 --> 00:40:28,900

Sure.

:

00:40:28,930 --> 00:40:29,320

You know?

:

00:40:29,350 --> 00:40:31,210

So that kind of.

:

00:40:31,810 --> 00:40:32,560

Curiosity.

:

00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,070

Yeah.

:

00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,170

I think that's so important in my life.

:

00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:35,470

Yeah.

:

00:40:36,670 --> 00:40:39,520

Is there room in your

future for more romance?

:

00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:40,060

No.

:

00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:44,410

I know I'm being very facetious.

:

00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:49,690

Um, not in the sense of

finding intellectual.

:

00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,070

Um,

:

00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:51,820

Humor.

:

00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,030

Humor is huge part of my life.

:

00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:55,420

Yes.

:

00:40:55,930 --> 00:41:00,430

And it's, uh, One thing probably

has kept me sane as anything.

:

00:41:01,180 --> 00:41:04,030

It's just see the humor in things.

:

00:41:04,570 --> 00:41:06,490

We're in the ridiculousness of things.

:

00:41:06,490 --> 00:41:06,850

So yes.

:

00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:11,080

Well, so yeah, I mean, Darcy.

:

00:41:12,430 --> 00:41:13,720

Yeah, I'd have a go.

:

00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:16,180

Yeah.

:

00:41:16,570 --> 00:41:17,500

Yeah, yeah.

:

00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:17,650

Out.

:

00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:18,700

They're letting me know.

:

00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:21,520

Oh man.

:

00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:24,100

I am going to be so bummed.

:

00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,830

If I find out I have to wait until

my eighties to meet my Darcy.

:

00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:29,860

It's not going to happen.

:

00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:30,040

So.

:

00:41:30,970 --> 00:41:32,650

It will happen long before that.

:

00:41:33,610 --> 00:41:33,820

Yeah.

:

00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:37,600

Do you have any dating advice for people?

:

00:41:38,890 --> 00:41:40,330

Uh, just be yourself.

:

00:41:40,990 --> 00:41:43,780

And have a sense of humor and, um,

:

00:41:45,340 --> 00:41:46,450

Be true to yourself.

:

00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:46,870

Yeah.

:

00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:47,050

You.

:

00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:49,840

Don't just to be with somebody.

:

00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:54,550

And have to, to change anything

about yourself in order.

:

00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:56,620

To do that.

:

00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:58,630

It's something I couldn't do.

:

00:41:58,750 --> 00:41:59,170

Yeah.

:

00:41:59,380 --> 00:41:59,860

I agree.

:

00:42:00,340 --> 00:42:04,240

And, um, I think women shouldn't do that.

:

00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,350

I think they should be here.

:

00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:05,740

Sure.

:

00:42:05,770 --> 00:42:06,490

Of themselves.

:

00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:08,080

And open.

:

00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,170

And not that it, no, no, one's perfect.

:

00:42:11,290 --> 00:42:15,640

You know, so it, it's not the can't

change some things, you know, but.

:

00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,170

I think you have to.

:

00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:19,630

I think men and women,

you have to meet friends.

:

00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:22,180

I think you have to meet

somebody and connect and be

:

00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:23,920

friends and be able to talk.

:

00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:27,220

And communicate and be yourself.

:

00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:27,580

Yeah.

:

00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,890

And, , you the same with them.

:

00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:34,150

And if that isn't viable.

:

00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,110

Uh, then it's not going to

last for a long, in my opinion.

:

00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:38,650

Yeah.

:

00:42:39,070 --> 00:42:39,790

I can confirm that.

:

00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:42,700

That's so funny.

:

00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:43,030

Yeah.

:

00:42:43,570 --> 00:42:49,180

Um, So at 86, you've got a

couple bionic knees and hips and.

:

00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:51,130

Trust me.

:

00:42:51,790 --> 00:42:54,940

Leap bound, single young

buildings in a single round.

:

00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,530

Yeah, absolutely.

:

00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:59,470

Do you have any aging advice?

:

00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,540

Because I think you've done

it so gracefully and you've

:

00:43:01,540 --> 00:43:03,940

stayed so cool and awesome.

:

00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,910

And, uh, I don't look at all

86 year olds and feel that way.

:

00:43:06,910 --> 00:43:07,360

So.

:

00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,810

I think it's my mind.

:

00:43:10,810 --> 00:43:11,860

That's kept me on.

:

00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:14,410

Yeah, the body wears out.

:

00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,890

There's no question about it,

but if I've always taken care

:

00:43:17,890 --> 00:43:19,390

of it, I've always exercised.

:

00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:20,170

I eat right.

:

00:43:21,070 --> 00:43:22,840

Uh, I'm a good Greek in a way.

:

00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:25,930

Everything in moderation,

I don't try to, to, um,

:

00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:27,400

Be too harsh on myself.

:

00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:27,820

Yeah.

:

00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:30,400

And, But I am cognizant.

:

00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:35,830

Of doing the things that I need to do

to keep myself health as well as I can.

:

00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:36,220

Yeah.

:

00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,960

, The Greeks have a.

:

00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:42,610

Thing they think the body, they

look at the body, the ancients

:

00:43:42,610 --> 00:43:44,770

did as a suit of clothes.

:

00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:47,410

And that's gonna wear out.

:

00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:49,750

So, or the essence.

:

00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:52,540

It just houses that yeah.

:

00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,920

And that wears out.

:

00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,600

So the soul is what's live.

:

00:43:56,710 --> 00:44:00,310

And regardless of where you

are religiously or, or not, or.

:

00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:01,600

I'm not, but.

:

00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,130

Um,

:

00:44:03,130 --> 00:44:06,640

There's something in the

universe that is strong.

:

00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:07,960

And positive.

:

00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:11,470

It's a lot of bad out there, so yeah.

:

00:44:11,890 --> 00:44:13,960

Uh, but I really feel.

:

00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,840

My mind, my openness to people.

:

00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,750

My love of humor.

:

00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:21,700

The arts love opera.

:

00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:23,830

Oh, God grew up.

:

00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:29,200

Listening to Matt every Saturday in

my room by myself with the beautiful.

:

00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:32,740

For years didn't speak any Italian.

:

00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:34,630

But loved the music.

:

00:44:34,690 --> 00:44:35,110

Yeah.

:

00:44:36,010 --> 00:44:39,430

And that, that combination

of story and song.

:

00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:46,060

I I've just, I've been so lucky in this

life because I found a lot of joy in it.

:

00:44:46,270 --> 00:44:46,630

Yeah.

:

00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,420

Uh, literature, music.

:

00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,100

Oh theater.

:

00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:52,840

All of it.

:

00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:54,160

All of it.

:

00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:54,670

Yeah.

:

00:44:55,690 --> 00:44:58,930

Does it feel scary as

you're getting older?

:

00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:00,430

okay.

:

00:45:01,690 --> 00:45:02,230

It's good to know.

:

00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:04,600

I just want it to be quick.

:

00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:08,050

I just, oh God, take me out.

:

00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:12,820

You know, universe, brother,

God, but universe take me out.

:

00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:13,480

Yeah.

:

00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,400

Let me just.

:

00:45:16,570 --> 00:45:17,710

Everybody wants that.

:

00:45:17,740 --> 00:45:18,040

Right.

:

00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,080

Uh, I.

:

00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,650

C.

:

00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:24,170

Friends of mine, old friend

of mine and a friend.

:

00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,720

Uh, have Alzheimer's I can't imagine.

:

00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:28,040

Uh, worst hell.

:

00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:30,170

Yeah, that's all so horrified.

:

00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:31,850

Oh, that's so sad.

:

00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:33,590

So I feel very fortunate.

:

00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,930

But not afraid to die.

:

00:45:36,110 --> 00:45:36,530

Yeah.

:

00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:38,720

No it's going to happen.

:

00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,250

Oh, It's all of us.

:

00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:40,610

Yeah.

:

00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:41,840

And it's not scary.

:

00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,440

I D you know,

:

00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:46,400

I have an older daughter

that's really into.

:

00:45:46,850 --> 00:45:48,020

Eastern philosophy.

:

00:45:48,590 --> 00:45:50,870

And, you know, some

thinking about you have.

:

00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:52,550

You, you don't work it out.

:

00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:57,110

You come back and I said,

Well, I ain't coming back.

:

00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,150

I'm done with this.

:

00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,270

There's this kind of life thing I've done.

:

00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:03,920

I don't need to do this anymore.

:

00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:06,470

I'm going to float or

whatever's left to me.

:

00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:09,260

It's just going to float

and look down on things.

:

00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:10,490

That sounds awesome.

:

00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:12,680

And let the rest of the world go to.

:

00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,100

Shit.

:

00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:13,880

Yeah.

:

00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:14,390

Hello.

:

00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:17,960

Yeah, I feel that way.

:

00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:19,430

But I needed to see.

:

00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:23,540

Uh, and hopefully, you

know, not afraid to die.

:

00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:23,870

Yeah.

:

00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:26,180

I don't want to.

:

00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:26,720

Linger.

:

00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:29,990

I, if I have a fear,

then that would be it.

:

00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:30,620

Okay.

:

00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:33,560

Yeah, that would be a non actual death.

:

00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:34,070

Yeah.

:

00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,540

Cause that's release.

:

00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:36,140

Yeah.

:

00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:39,410

I agree with that lingering

and, or not knowing where you

:

00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:44,240

were or being tied to a tube or

something, you know, that's not why.

:

00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:44,840

Yeah.

:

00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:46,550

I wouldn't want that.

:

00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:51,770

That's I, if I have a fear is I

just would like it not to be bad.

:

00:46:51,830 --> 00:46:52,820

Don't know that it won't.

:

00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,390

Yeah.

:

00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:53,690

Yeah.

:

00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:55,580

Do you have an advanced medical directive?

:

00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:56,060

I do.

:

00:46:56,090 --> 00:46:56,360

Okay.

:

00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:56,570

Good.

:

00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,050

.

Yeah, mine is like, if I get a paper cut, I'm like, put me out.

:

00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:03,440

I'm done.

:

00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:10,190

I'm half joking.

:

00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:11,570

Yeah.

:

00:47:12,350 --> 00:47:12,590

All right.

:

00:47:12,590 --> 00:47:14,090

Well, your affairs are in order.

:

00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,920

And so now you just get to enjoy yourself.

:

00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:19,640

Pretty much, but what will

be, will be yeah, exactly.

:

00:47:19,850 --> 00:47:21,620

I don't know for all of us in one way.

:

00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:22,790

Yeah, absolutely.

:

00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:26,360

Yeah, because you don't always get to

have that, but no, you don't and to enjoy

:

00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:28,610

what you have and take full advantage.

:

00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:29,150

Yeah.

:

00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:33,320

I love that and be kind and

be kind and laugh a lot.

:

00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:36,050

It's the best medicine.

:

00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,010

Yeah, it is, isn't it?

:

00:47:37,070 --> 00:47:37,370

Yeah.

:

00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:37,520

Yeah.

:

00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:37,970

Truly.

:

00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:38,360

Yeah.

:

00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:41,600

Well, Nancy, is there anything else

that you want to share or talk about?

:

00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,460

I feel like this has been so wonderful.

:

00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:45,350

No, I, I it's good.

:

00:47:45,350 --> 00:47:46,610

Cause I'm follow your lead.

:

00:47:46,610 --> 00:47:47,630

I got stories.

:

00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:49,820

For days.

:

00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:53,040

And months or years even,

but, , no, this is lovely.

:

00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,150

And thank you for having me.

:

00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:54,630

Gosh.

:

00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:55,230

Thank you.

:

00:47:55,530 --> 00:47:57,540

Another new thing at 86 people.

:

00:47:58,170 --> 00:48:01,230

Nancy don't even hesitate to say, yeah,

that's what I, when I asked her if she

:

00:48:01,230 --> 00:48:04,260

would come on Clover club, so I just been.

:

00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:05,640

The curiosity.

:

00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:05,970

Yeah.

:

00:48:05,970 --> 00:48:06,270

Yeah.

:

00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:07,890

Yeah, we're doing this.

:

00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,490

Yeah.

:

00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:10,050

Why not.

:

00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:11,220

I love it.

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00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:14,820

, well, thank you so much for tuning

into this episode of Clover club.

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I hope you enjoyed Nancy's sweeping

guest stories and insights.

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, as always Clover club listeners get 10%

off@hawkinsonclover.com with promo code,

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a Clover club, all caps, and you can

find us on Instagram at Clover club pod.

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, and also, you know, friendly

reminder that we love all

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feedback and reviews and ratings.

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And on that note, we are

going to hear you next week.

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Nancy, thank you again so

much and we'll chat later.

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Bye bye.

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Yeah.

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I don't know about that.

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