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[00:00:06] Jared Grifo: the house. No. Now the other issue that we see with those, uh, those lightnings, now they have a generator built into them. Yeah. So now they can be used actually to use on your house. Sure. Will. There comes an issue with, uh, not to go over people's head, but G F C I stuff. Yeah. So you have bonded neutrals and this and that, and that actually takes a specific transfer switch that breaks the neutral, otherwise it will trip the breaker every time you go to plug it in.

[00:00:41] Eric Goranson: panel. Oh, hadn't

[00:00:49] Jared Grifo: Let's trip up. D fci ba. When it comes to remodeling and renovating your home, there is a lot to know though. We've got you covered. This is around the house. [00:01:00] Welcome

[00:01:12] Eric Goranson: We got Jared Griffo from Power Equipment Direct. Let's talk Power today, my friend. Welcome to Around the House.

[00:01:20] Eric Goranson: That's gonna be a lot of fun, man. And yeah it's interesting and I'm a West coast guy, so we are now starting to deal with power generation on a whole new level out here for backup power, because I'm in the Pacific Northwest and everybody go, ha, California, you're getting your power shut off.

[00:01:52] Eric Goranson: And sure enough, we're starting to see that when the red flag conditions go, you could be, have. You could be shut down for two or three days and [00:02:00] now it's a whole different ballgame.

[00:02:16] Eric Goranson: I get it from their point of view, and I relate to their point of view because they're out there doing the best they can.

[00:02:37] Eric Goranson: I think they'd wanna sell me power.

[00:02:49] Eric Goranson: Yep. It does solve it , but at least a lot of us hanging too.

[00:03:14] Eric Goranson: And then of course the podcast, we go internationally. Yeah. So we got a lot of people. I don't wanna talk about my local store down the street cuz 99% of you guys out there are gonna go, that ain't gonna help me a bit.

[00:03:32] Jared Grifo: Yeah, we really need it. We can get you out there with a volcano going off . We'll figure out something. Exactly. . But yeah the grid's pretty rough. The Northeast is a big market it's a very old grid. Obviously Florida, Texas where you get the weather based outages and things like Texas saw that huge freeze.

[00:04:09] Jared Grifo: It's becoming more of a necessity rather than a want. Yeah. And I'll tell you what my setup is at home, cuz we haven't talked about this before the show, but I've got a like. Energizer, single gas generator. It's it's I got that a few years ago. They sent it out to me to test and then I've got the manual transfer switch at the house, which it does great cuz it, my house is l e d.

[00:04:52] Eric Goranson: I don't keep 40 gallons of gas around the house, so I was like, all right, I'm gonna siphon it outta the back tank of my truck. I didn't wanna have to drive for an hour to go get [00:05:00] gas and finally ended up doing that. But yeah, now I'm going, okay, I'm gonna have to put a tri in my life one day or just go automatic and and do it that way.

[00:05:16] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Generators primarily. Do a great job of being fuel efficient. . Yeah. Whether it's gasoline or even the standby generators. If you're looking at like propane, on average, those things are burning like two and a half gallons per hour at like half load.

[00:05:49] Jared Grifo: Yeah, and I can't

[00:06:10] Jared Grifo: Absolutely. . I gotta run everything. It's, everything's electric, Absolutely.

[00:06:27] Eric Goranson: But where do your generators of start out? What do you guys what's some of your favorite stuff over there?

[00:06:40] Jared Grifo: It's convenient, but that always doesn't fit into everybody's budget. Sure. I What a lot of people don't really see with those is it's a $6,000 generator and then another $6,000 to install it by a professional. Sometimes the portable's just the way you have to go, but those have the limitation.

[00:07:15] Jared Grifo: It's, they're really basic. I know, like you said, you have a manual switch, it really does a lot for you. Yeah. And you, a lot of people can just get by with on the flip side of that, some people just don't have the means of hooking it up or they wanna have that sense of security where maybe it's a lake house.

[00:07:50] Eric Goranson: Yeah, that, and that's my thing. I have no problem I've got a battery powered garage door opener, so it'll back up on that. So I have no problem going over, open the garage door of the power out, [00:08:00] dragging the generator around outside, plug in the cord into the side of the house where I got it and doing that.

[00:08:21] Jared Grifo: to.

[00:08:37] Jared Grifo: Yeah. We let it do its thing. It's

[00:08:55] Eric Goranson: You guys go from Generac to Westinghouse to champion to a lot of the different [00:09:00] even the Cummins ones, which are really cool, those coming own, own one and Honda and all the big. Yeah. But where do people start out with kind of what? What would you recommend if Okay. I can't spend 12,000 bucks.

[00:09:20] Jared Grifo: get. Exactly. Starting out I really to simplify it. If you just wanna run your home, 8,000 wads will cover pretty much most of everybody.

[00:09:48] Jared Grifo: 12,000 watts is 50 amps. Yep. As a 50 amp outlet, I can utilize all that power . Yeah. So just to make it simple 8,000 watts, if you're basic, just necessities around the house. [00:10:00] If you want more, move up to 10, 12. And that'll cover your house. And there's just a plethora of generators out there that pH and you'll see most of 'em in that range due to that fact.

[00:10:30] Eric Goranson: I don't have any power at the house, but I was really planning on plugging my car in tonight. And I don't have enough charge to get up to the supercharger or whatever, to that's out of my area to get it there. Now you're stuck trying to depend on your generator to put something in it.

[00:10:46] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Electric cars have definitely been giving me a headache. . It's nothing wrong with them. It the fact of it is if you want to use those chargers that are already built into your house, everybody has something. They might draw a little bit different power [00:11:00] here or different power there.

[00:11:34] Jared Grifo: Exactly.

[00:11:53] Eric Goranson: It's huge. So you're not gonna just hook that up to your portable to, to do that no. You got a problem then. So [00:12:00] now you're grabbing out your level two charger or something, like you said to, to put that in there. But you're not hooking that up to a portable generator very easily.

[00:12:07] Jared Grifo: The other issue that we see with those those lightnings, now they have a generator built into them. Yeah. So now they can be used actually, Use on your house. Sure. There comes an issue with not to go over people's head, but G F C I stuff. Yeah. So you have bonded neutrals and this and that actually takes a specific transfer switch that breaks the neutral.

[00:12:47] Jared Grifo: Yeah. It says, Hey, it's somebody's getting electrocuted. , let's trip the G F C I. So there are special switches for that. Okay. That we do sell. But yeah, that's been a headache because. I People forgot about that. [00:13:00] Yeah. I got

[00:13:05] Eric Goranson: Yep. With all the new stuff. Oh dude, I hadn't even thought about that. Great culture. Yeah, I can see where that's giving you a headache cuz that's, yeah. Cuz all of a sudden you've got a whole different neutral situation going on and it's oh yeah. Great point. I And it's all newer stuff.

[00:13:24] Eric Goranson: A year now. Yeah. I They, I saw one almost a year ago, so Yeah. That's when they were first bringing it out but yeah and yeah, that's gonna be a problem. And then of course you're planning on with the Ford and I love the thing, don't get me wrong, that's a super cool truck.

[00:13:51] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. It's a good job site thing running new tools, this and that.

[00:14:05] but,

[00:14:15] Eric Goranson: Because they're bringing the trucks out there. They didn't set the electricity up in the campsites to charge electric vehicle. So they're taking these maybe 20 amp setups and plugging in 30 chargers and either burning stuff up or kicking breakers off. And there's been a lot of issues talking to people in the RV world that are taking out their that are towing around the Tesla, or they got towing the electric vehicle around that. They go plug it in at the campsite and it's taken the whole campsite.

[00:14:56] Jared Grifo: Oh. People were buying RVs with no generator [00:15:00] on them that need a generator, , and they're waiting years for those Oh, yeah. To come out. But yeah, I couldn't imagine that. I never thought. Having to charge your vehicle is gonna take down a whole grid and people are trying to enjoy their weekend.

[00:15:29] Eric Goranson: Yeah. You guys been doing pretty good on getting stuff back in.

[00:15:48] Jared Grifo: I would say. Some of the bigger units when you get into the more, the commercial? Yeah. Those are taking a little bit longer to get out. There's EPA restrictions, things like that, that they're running into [00:16:00] on top of the production delays. Forgot about that. . Yeah.

[00:16:06] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. But, and that, that's actually one of 'em. We do have specific generators that have to ship into California. They have to have like catalytic converters on 'em. And this is for even propane and natural gas. Oh, so

[00:16:26] Eric Goranson: They're buying 'em up because of the power grid issues they have down there. Okay. Yeah, I get it. What's the most common size of let's jump over into standbys a little bit because I know people see 'em, but I don't think they really understand how that all works. They're a great unit that you can slam in there next to your house.

[00:17:02] Jared Grifo: Yeah. On average it's you can get into some of the smaller units if you're just trying to get by with again, lights, refrigerator, things like that. Maybe three or four grand. But generally we're Americans, we want the biggest and the baddest out there, . Why not Guilty is charged.

[00:17:35] Eric Goranson: So you know, you're watching the game and the game's still on, yeah. Just, you don't have to mess with that at that point. That's the whole Roy, that's the whole reason of getting that it's true. Is to power everything. Yeah. The average customer is probably buying something in the 20,000 to 24, 20 6,000 watt.

[00:18:10] Jared Grifo: Yeah. . Yeah. You're never getting that. So you're feeding half the panel all at the same time. But the biggest reason for people going that large, honestly, is hvac. Yeah. A lot of the generators are rated at what tonnage AC unit they can actually run. Nice. An example 14 ton or a 14 KW generator can run a three ton AC unit.

[00:18:48] Jared Grifo: Of a five ton. Even with the very efficient stuff out there now with hvac, you're still talking maybe surging to a hundred, 120 amps instantaneously. Wow. So [00:19:00]

[00:19:13] Eric Goranson: The AC side of things the furnace side as far as gas, but yeah. Hadn't thought about it. Yeah. That could be more than 30 amps just in the startup phase on something like that.

[00:19:33] Jared Grifo: Yeah. It the grid doesn't really care, but the generators. They have to be able to produce that power to, to actually start it up. That, that's a big reason for going that big. And like you said, why not just have it do everything ? Yeah.

[00:19:55] Eric Goranson: That thing only Dr. It's an 80 gallon tank. It only draws 500 [00:20:00] watts. Oh wow. When it's heating. That's awesome. Yeah. It like 500 wa light bulbs. Okay, cool. Yeah, that I'm not doing too much with that, so I can be running the refrigerators, the water heater and stuff, and still not be not be pulling too much on it.

[00:20:18] Jared Grifo: no that's actually awesome to have that lo of consumption cuz I've dealt with some people who have 60, 80 amp breakers on their electric hot water heater and it's like I need to size you a pretty big generator .

[00:20:31] Eric Goranson: You're almost better to go buy a convert over to the water heater cuz it's cheaper than having to double the size of your generator cuz you can buy a $1,500 heat pump water heater that pays for itself pretty quick cuz you're also saving every day on doing water. And then you have to put. On the generator side, so

[00:20:49] Jared Grifo: Those are what are those, the on-demand water heaters? Those are great too. Yeah

[00:21:06] Eric Goranson: Just the coil.

[00:21:13] Eric Goranson: works. I get it. . I get it. So how do you size up those? Like the, for instance, like the gener X that's a O obviously a big brand name out there. There's a lot of different ones out there as far as the standby us, but any Generac, Kohler, whatever, how do you size those up?

[00:21:35] Jared Grifo: Yeah. That's pretty much the get-go. I've been doing it long enough for, honestly, I just tell people what they need. . Yeah. But we do have so every manufacturer has their own sizing calculator.

[00:22:03] Jared Grifo: But smart. I The sizing calculators work fantastic. They're gonna give you a good rough estimate of what's required. Nice. That's one route obviously calling us and asking us, we'll help you out. Sure. Otherwise one of the best ways. Because obviously you're going to need a installer anyways, would be to have somebody come out and do a load calculation.

[00:22:49] Jared Grifo: If, do you, you

[00:22:56] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Your electric bill would be insane. Yeah. [00:23:00] The average person is probably actually drawing anywhere between 10 to 30 amp. Throughout the day, yeah. When the HVAC kicks on, maybe a little bit more it's, if you get something in the a hundred amp range, cover half of your panel, usually it's going to be perfectly fine. You don't have to worry about much unless you have a gigantic home or a 400 amp panel split services.

[00:23:47] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. So when you're shopping for these things out there of course the wifi stuff is to me super important cuz I'm a tech guy. But stuff like they've got the AC shedding or load shedding that kind [00:24:00] of stuff.

[00:24:08] Jared Grifo: shedding is probably the most confusing thing for my customers. Yep. But it's actually probably the easiest thing to explain. So basically what it does is it allows the generator to automatically shut down a particular circuit.

[00:24:49] Jared Grifo: Which is, it's super cool cuz now we're making that a smaller generator seem bigger. It can do a lot more for my house. Yeah. Cause I don't have to compensate for all these other weird nuances. Yeah. [00:25:00] That's great for hot tubs and pools and things like that, that you're like, I'm not worried about it today.

[00:25:16] Jared Grifo: Yeah the, one of the great uses for it is if you have multiple AC units oh, if I've got two or three AC units, I don't want them all trying to come on at the same time.

[00:25:47] Eric Goranson: clicking breakers and you're assuming that you're there to do that.

[00:26:01] Jared Grifo: so it depends on the manufacturer, but a lot of it is just set it and forget it.

[00:26:23] Jared Grifo: They send a signal over the neutral wire of the home. Oh. So it knows that the generator's on, so

[00:26:30] Jared Grifo: course. Yeah. Yeah. So it, but I guess to bring it back, they can only be used on two 40 volt items. Oh yeah. Because, That makes

[00:26:45] Eric Goranson: Coming in, so that makes sense. Okay. Yeah.

[00:27:03] Jared Grifo: If the generator turns on the inverter says, Hey, we got power back. And now it starts backing the generator, which is a no-no. Yeah. So what we do is we put one of those on that breaker, it locks out power from going to that inverter, and then the generator shuts down, unlocks that module, and allows it to backfeed.

[00:27:22] Eric Goranson: smart because Yeah. I hadn't thought about that with solar. Cuz all of a sudden it comes on generator's woo-hoo, we're done. Yeah. . Yeah. And the solar's not bringing enough to power the house cuz it's only kicking a little bit out. Yeah. Ah they thought everything on that. I love it. I love it.

[00:27:46] Jared Grifo: Yeah. If you already have it. There's no reason to do any other fuel. Yeah. The upside of propane is that you actually do get they're rated higher, if you will.

[00:28:19] Jared Grifo: That's just everybody comes with the territory. You have less horsepower. You're, and you need horsepower to turn a magnet, right? Yep.

[00:28:36] Jared Grifo: Yeah.

[00:28:41] Eric Goranson: Yep, that too. But yeah, but you'd have to have a massive propane tank to fill these though. That's the other, the downside of that is you gotta have a a solid, like what at the gas station style propane tank, if you're gonna lose power for four or five

[00:28:56] Jared Grifo: Yeah, minimum size that you're gonna want is about 250 [00:29:00] gallons. At minimum, not everybody has the space for that, and especially if you got a homeowner's association and you can't bury, you can't bury it. ,

[00:29:11] Jared Grifo: they, I've had HOAs that made people paint their generator the same color as the house.

[00:29:20] Eric Goranson: yeah I could do a whole show on HOA horror stories. Our condo associations are just as bad too. Yeah. Those are the worst too oh yeah, that's, hadn't thought about that. But that's the thing with those big tanks, you gotta figure out where to put those things and have access for the propane company to come out and fill it up.

[00:29:56] and

[00:30:04] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah,

[00:30:12] Eric Goranson: Yep. They're smart on that, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. I like that. And does anybody on the residential side do anything like diesel or stuff, or is that pretty much more commercial?

[00:30:25] Jared Grifo: that's, A lot of farmers will do it. They have a ton of diesel on their property. Why not? Yep. Yeah. You

[00:30:31] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. And they can use that. I guess the biggest misconception is people think they can use heating oil in them and Yeah. No, that will just destroy a generator.

[00:31:08] Eric Goranson: though, different animal. If you got the farm and the fuel and you don't have natural gas, then that might make good sense for you. It,

[00:31:20] Jared Grifo: Awesome. Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the farmers will do that. They'll, because they already have a tractor, you can get a huge generator. They'll go

[00:31:37] Eric Goranson: That's awesome.

[00:31:42] Eric Goranson: and so everybody out there, what that says, just if you're not like a Midwest person or a farmer person that I like, I used to so you got a tractor, or even a truck sometimes will have a power takeoff is what this is.

[00:32:12] Eric Goranson: So hadn't thought of that, cuz now all of a sudden you don't have to worry about a power source, you just have to worry about the power creation side of things.

[00:32:20] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Pull the tractor up and off you.

[00:32:30] Jared Grifo: We're not talking like a regular lawnmower or anything. No. Yeah. These are cost more than my car yeah. Type tractor,

[00:32:47] Eric Goranson: And if you're not in a farm area when I was in high school, I'll tell this funny story and you'll kinda laugh. We used to go out for buying and mud and doing all that stuff. the, I was in the Tri-Cities, Washington there. And I gotta be careful cuz the [00:33:00] listening audience of the place that we used to do this at is now listening to this on the radio.

[00:33:24] Eric Goranson: Go out there, pull everybody out, run it back, spray it off, put it back up in the line and nobody knew any different. No man . But I'm not gonna say brands cuz. A lot of people that still work around there. I don't wanna get anybody in trouble . But if you saw us running down the street on the freeway at two o'clock in the morning in the nineties or late eighties, that was me,

[00:33:58] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Nothing wrong with that, but yeah [00:34:00] that's a good one though, man.

[00:34:13] Jared Grifo: Servicing and whatnot. We don't okay, so just

[00:34:18] Jared Grifo: we can, yeah.

[00:34:38] Jared Grifo: For the hydraulics, but, Yeah. Just strictly sales . Okay,

[00:34:50] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. That's, a lot of people don't think that, again, they want the biggest and baddest for their RV or whatnot.

[00:35:04] Eric Goranson: Sorry. It's what it is. It's what it is. So what else we should we talk about with generators here that we haven't really talked about? Man, because there's, I used to say generators, you'd see it a lot on job sites now.

[00:35:35] Eric Goranson: Yeah,

[00:35:55] Jared Grifo: So the small little generators some of the Hondas and yeah. [00:36:00] Champion makes the good ones and Westinghouse Basically what they do is they take the power out of the generator, they turn it into DC and then they turn it back to ac, which makes it extremely clean. So very clean sine wave.

[00:36:52] Eric Goranson: mine, mine, it says inverter on it, I mean it, and it's a big one, yeah. But yeah, the power coming outta the thing, I've had no issues as [00:37:00] far as that other than massive gas consumption. But other than that it gets the job done. Some of the newer ones are pretty cool where because they're an inverter. So the way the magnets work, they have to spin at 3,600 RPM to get 60 hertz.

[00:37:33] Eric Goranson: because the inversion process.

[00:37:35] Jared Grifo: sense. So that might be what you need , see? Yeah. No, yeah. Take yourself a couple

[00:37:50] Eric Goranson: And I've got know, have that it's one of the reliance know manual switchover switches, which works great. Yeah. But that's only 30 [00:38:00] amp. And that's the problem that that that does is it doesn't do everything. Even though my generator puts a little bit more out than that.

[00:38:21] Eric Goranson: I guess that's the question that, have you seen anything bigger that on those

[00:38:39] Jared Grifo: Almost like an interlock. But what it'll do is it's rated for 200 amps on one, and then on the opposite side you'll have a 50 amp or 125 amp breaker. Ah. Shut off the main flip or shut off the, that main breaker, flip it over to the generator side, and now I'm feeding my whole house with generator.

[00:38:58] Eric Goranson: I like that. That's cool. [00:39:00] That's cool. Yeah, if I wanted to take that project on, that might be a way to go, but I think I'm just gonna have to go the other direction with that. A lot of people don't like it because you have to get pull permits and whatnot cuz you have to pull the meter can, yeah.

[00:39:26] Jared Grifo: Yeah, those are actually pretty awesome. I've been trying to get my hands on those myself, but Yep.

[00:39:49] Jared Grifo: However many you need. Yeah. Uh, They work very well, yeah. It's mine's

[00:39:58] Jared Grifo: Yeah. I like the fact that you're [00:40:00] not flipping on and off breakers. They have switches on it. Yeah. Because, and a lot of people don't know.

[00:40:12] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah. I can't tell you how many commercial you think about commercial buildings all the time. People go in and turn the warehouse lights on and they're clicking breakers every morning.

[00:40:24] Jared Grifo: designed to do that? Nope. No. That's how you

[00:40:49] Jared Grifo: I guess one of the genres that we didn't cover is batteries. So there's a lot of, oh, let's talk about that.

[00:41:17] Jared Grifo: That means that if I draw a thousand watts from that battery, it's going to give me power for one hour. . Yeah. So is it if a lot of people think, oh, it's gonna put out a thousand watts and then all of a sudden it, it doesn't live up to their expectations. On top of that, a lot of these companies Generac and Kohler especially, are coming out with whole house battery

[00:41:41] Eric Goranson: Those are pretty cool. Yeah, those are pretty cool, yeah. Make me a little nervous, but they're, it's new, but. They work super cool. I like '

[00:41:55] Eric Goranson: Yeah. It's like a Tesla car battery on the wall, basically. Yeah.

[00:41:59] Jared Grifo: running your [00:42:00] house. And that's through they're that's who they're competing against is the Tesla wall. Yeah. But I could see where it's really nice if you live in an area where you have really high peak hours. Of power because you can actually set those things up. So it'll turn on at a certain time of the day, you'll run off batteries and then charge back the batteries either on solar or off of the grid at your lower peak period.

[00:42:44] Eric Goranson: Are they a lot more than just doing a standby generator? Haven't it done or are they up in that price point?

[00:43:03] Jared Grifo: And that's like full batteries. You'll be running for days off batteries, but Yeah. But

[00:43:15] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. Soon enough the market will have enough out there and the technology will catch up and we'll have some pretty nice systems that are Yeah.

[00:43:22] Eric Goranson: out there. I noticed recently that Tesla and their solar roof, just got quiet and went away. I saw that heard from some listeners that had that had scheduled installs and all of a sudden they went no longer available and gave 'em their deposits, showed up in their bank account, and off they went.

[00:43:48] Jared Grifo: Yeah. With the limitation on certain things there's still microprocessors and stuff like that. It's a weird market and I think Tesla's always ahead of the game, but maybe too far ahead where they don't [00:44:00] see the market changes so quickly that they all great intentions, but yeah.

[00:44:25] Eric Goranson: You

[00:44:29] Eric Goranson: New York Elon. Hundred percent. I have a better chance because man I have reached out probably 40 times to those guys and I get crickets. And I know people that are huge news people out there that crickets. They just don't wanna talk to anybody. They're like, That's their game. They're just

[00:44:52] Eric Goranson: 14 herbs and spices they got in there

[00:45:02] Jared Grifo: No, the batteries are great. As far as generators go, if you really are interested in 'em give us a call or there's tons of information online.

[00:45:33] Eric Goranson: right?

[00:45:50] Eric Goranson: Versus, oh, this is gonna kind of work. But that's all we. Yeah. And

[00:46:07] Jared Grifo: That's, it doesn't matter what the install is the cuz they know it's gonna work. And it's some people just don't need that . Yeah. Yeah. It's

[00:46:20] Jared Grifo: not with that . So there's short cycling and Exactly.

[00:46:24] Eric Goranson: house. Yeah. And that can't be good though too with if you've got a generator that's a standby generator that's way big and it's just idling along, that can't be that great for it either. You'd think you'd want to have it sized. Yeah. If you're in the 50 to 80% range that's about where they like to sit.

[00:47:02] Jared Grifo: Pretty much know what they want. , you're not gonna come into it come calling me up, being like, I want this $18,000 generator on my house. It's . You're doing a little bit more research, .

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[00:47:34] Jared Grifo: They'll save 50 bucks on a qualifying portable generator on our site. There we go. Yeah, they can do power equipment direct, which actually we have multiple sites. With that we do air compressors and all kinds of fun stuff. Otherwise electric generators direct.com. They can talk to me on the phone.

[00:47:55] Eric Goranson: That's great. And thanks for that promo. Who doesn't want 50 bucks, right? Yeah. Especially [00:48:00] nowadays, right? , that'll fill one of the tanks up in a truck. Maybe . Yeah. Fill the tank in your generator. Exactly.

[00:48:16] Jared Grifo: that's awesome. No, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Thanks,