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A surprise early show for you to mini-preview the T100 Grand Final in Qatar this evening. Watch on T100's Youtube at 2a.m. ET tonight (early Friday morning)!
A few highlights this week:
- Congrats to Kirsten Kasper who won her debut 70.3 at La Quinta and to Georgia Taylor-Brown for clocking "the fastest 70.3 in history." What does that mean? Do records matter in triathlon?
- Then it's a quick preview of the T100 racing in Qatar, where it's a winner-take-all situation between Lucy Charles-Barclay, Julie Derron, and Kate Waugh.
- Even more retirements! Is there something about 2025 that's causing all these pros to retire?
- And a kudos to Mark Allen and TriDot's Limitless initiative to get more women to triathlon start lines. There are over 1,000 women already signed up and a waitlist has been started.
- Which brings us to Joanne's question: How do tri clubs work in the U.S.?
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All right, Feisties, we are getting down to holiday season.
Speaker A:We have one more show left next week before the holiday break.
Speaker A:This week, though, we have Joanne with us, we have Katie back with us, and we need to find out how everyone's doing on their Christmas fit challenges.
Speaker B:I'm failing.
Speaker B:I'll just start with that.
Speaker B:I opened the email.
Speaker B:I opened the email, I looked at it and then, well, Josie was in the hospital for last week, then Tommy was gone.
Speaker B:So life has been a bit hectic.
Speaker B:However, I might not be doing any prescribed challenge at the moment, but our new thing is Kimball's been riding with me.
Speaker B:And yesterday we did our first day of Tommy caravanning to go pick him up from daycare with his bike in the back, and then him and I running home from daycare.
Speaker A:How far is that?
Speaker B:And today?
Speaker B:Oh, like 4K.
Speaker B:Like, very, very manageable.
Speaker B:And honestly, okay, this is really like side sidestep here.
Speaker B:But I was so proud of him because he had like a meltdown about 800 meters from our house.
Speaker B:And I was like, we're not going to make it.
Speaker B:Like, we're going to have to get picked up.
Speaker B:And granted, like, I could have, like held him and his bike.
Speaker B:I could have made it.
Speaker A:But he came out of it, which.
Speaker B:For a three year old is amazing.
Speaker B:And I was like.
Speaker B:I kept telling him, I was like, I'm so proud of you.
Speaker B:Katie.
Speaker C:I'm so proud of you and getting your 4k run done yesterday.
Speaker C:Kudos to Katie.
Speaker B:It's still.
Speaker B:I guess that's my best bet right now is Kimball training.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker C:Well, every good athlete needs a good wingman.
Speaker C:So Kimball can be your good wingman.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, we actually, we did a.
Speaker B:We did a personal best on a loop.
Speaker B:He's done where we average 5:30 per k pace.
Speaker A:Why are you speaking kilometers?
Speaker A:This is very confusing, Katie.
Speaker A:It's very European.
Speaker B:I know, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:But I'm an international triathlete still by heart.
Speaker B:And world triathlon, actually, it was my fir.
Speaker B:My very first coach had us do everything in kilometers.
Speaker B:And then obviously with Joel, everything was in ks.
Speaker B:So now I force all of our athletes to do it because until the US Puts more races in the, like in the United States for us, I mean, we might as well just learn k be doing what the rest of the world is doing, which I would also argue that we should, the US in general should be doing the metric.
Speaker C:Systems, to be fair to say.
Speaker C:You did like 4k versus, what is it, 2.4 miles or something.
Speaker C:I don't even know I made that up.
Speaker A:It's like something.
Speaker A:Yeah, way better.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:I'm just trying to cushion what I'm doing.
Speaker B:It's a bigger number.
Speaker B:So we go with whatever number is bigger in distances.
Speaker A:How is it going for you, Joanne?
Speaker A:Are you doing your own workouts that you assign yourself?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, true.
Speaker C:Yes, I actually am.
Speaker C:I am on day 10.
Speaker C:I've been so consistent.
Speaker C:Actually, I'm really surprised because I was working in Dublin yesterday unexpectedly and we'd really bad weather over here in Ireland.
Speaker C:We had a big storm, so I had to.
Speaker C:I stayed overnight again.
Speaker C:I woke up this morning and I thought, oh my God, I have to do a 30 to 40 minute run.
Speaker C:I can't be bothered.
Speaker C:I was really like enjoying the hotel bed and got back from Dublin, did some stuff this afternoon with my mom, got the Christmas tree put up and then I was like, I really need to do my run now.
Speaker C:So I actually went and did my run.
Speaker C:I got 40 minutes done, so 4K.
Speaker C:40 minutes.
Speaker C:I did six and a half K. I was happy.
Speaker C:Tomorrow I think is going to be another run, but yeah, I am actually getting.
Speaker C:If there's like an activity like the burpees or the plank or the crunches, I'm actually getting them done and then I'm just doing whatever else on top of that.
Speaker C:I really have to get back on my bike, though.
Speaker A:You should have joined the feisty winner cycling programs.
Speaker A:I was going to tell you guys.
Speaker A:So we have the feisty winter cycling programs been going for like two weeks now.
Speaker A:And a few of us, like, behind the scenes and staff, like, loaded the program into our training peaks just so we could see how it worked.
Speaker A:But I was not intending to do it because I, like have my own training.
Speaker A:And our customer service girl loaded it so she could understand, like, how it was working.
Speaker A:But she plays hockey.
Speaker A:Like, she wasn't.
Speaker A:She's not playing.
Speaker A:She hasn't.
Speaker A:She wasn't planning to like, buy a bike and start doing it.
Speaker A:The red boxes and training peaks are really stressing her out now.
Speaker C:No red boxes in my program.
Speaker C:Read all the way.
Speaker A:She's like, I could see why our athletes get so anxious.
Speaker A:And I was like, yeah, it's very.
Speaker C:So, Kelly, are you actually doing the training or are you tipping away?
Speaker A:Well, I'm not doing our indoor cycling program because I don't ride the bike inside anymore.
Speaker A:Like, I am not, you know, I'm not a professional triathlete anymore.
Speaker A:I do not need to ride the trainer.
Speaker A:I am obviously like, trying to build back up for my racing in the spring plan, but I still can't use my shoulder for swimming.
Speaker A:So that's been challenging.
Speaker C:Lots of red boxes and training peaks, then.
Speaker A:Yeah, if you only.
Speaker A:Like, I can't like, my.
Speaker A:Cause I crashed my mountain bike two months ago, I think I've mentioned.
Speaker A:And so it's just, like, taking forever.
Speaker A:Like, random things.
Speaker A:I, like, can't swim still.
Speaker C:I'm like, oh, have you been going to a pt?
Speaker A:Well, they said I had to just give it some time to heal first because it was, like, a little before I could start doing exercises.
Speaker A:So you're just.
Speaker A:But then you.
Speaker C:Motion is lotion, though.
Speaker A:But then you randomly, like, pick up a kid or pull.
Speaker A:Pull a curtain closed, and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, my God, so painful.
Speaker C:Well, you know, I did.
Speaker C:I did.
Speaker C:I talked to you since I went to do gymnastics.
Speaker C:I think I told you last week I was going to gymnastics.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Katie.
Speaker C:Oh, my word.
Speaker C:I could not do a forward roll when I landed into the gymnastics gym on Friday afternoon, almost to the point that, you know, the way Kimball almost had a meltdown and is less than 800 meters to go.
Speaker C:I thought I may as well just leave now because I can't do a forward roll.
Speaker C:By the end of the hour of the session, I did a somersault on the trampoline.
Speaker C:I absolutely loved the gymnastics.
Speaker C:So much fun.
Speaker C:I was like being a child.
Speaker C:And, you know, when you.
Speaker C:When you're swimming, when you are able to swim, Kelly, and you nail something where, like, you're one second faster or something just clicks.
Speaker C:That rarely happens for me in swimming, but in gymnastics, oh, my word.
Speaker C:Every single thing I did, I was like, I could.
Speaker A:I could do it.
Speaker A:I could do it.
Speaker C:I was like a child.
Speaker C:I really was.
Speaker C:Like, my inner child was out.
Speaker C:I was squealing in happiness.
Speaker C:And, yeah, definitely worth trying gymnastics.
Speaker C:I. I really loved it.
Speaker C:I think I'm actually going to try adult gymnastics in January.
Speaker A:There's, like, a lot of.
Speaker A:Obviously, we do a lot of, like, menopause education and women's health education, and there's a lot to be said for trying to learn a new skill, like, later in life.
Speaker A:It, like, triggers things in your brain.
Speaker A:It, like, re.
Speaker A:Rewires the same stuff when you were, like, learning something as a kid.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Because gymnastics is, like, such an interesting skill to do when you're older.
Speaker B:Because when you're a kid, it's just so, like, watching the kids just, like, go and do things.
Speaker B:You're like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker B:And then now, because of Kimball, I'm also rolling around on the floor and doing things where I'm like, geez, like, what the heck?
Speaker B:Like, my body does not want to do any of these.
Speaker C:It was like they put me like a wedge.
Speaker C:Like, it's like a wedge of.
Speaker C:Whatever it is.
Speaker C:Wedge of foam.
Speaker C:That's what the word is.
Speaker C:And she's like, just put your hands down and, you know, look to your legs.
Speaker C:I was like, this isn't going to happen.
Speaker C:And then eventually I did it.
Speaker C:And then she's like, okay, do it on the ground.
Speaker C:I was like, that definitely isn't going to happen.
Speaker C:But we ended up on, like, an.
Speaker C:I did the beam and the bars and all the different tips and tricks, but we ended up on, like, it's like a trampoline, but it's called a fast track.
Speaker C:And it's the long.
Speaker C:It's a long tumbling track or a bouncing track.
Speaker C:Once I got on that, I was like an absolute child, like, because you could.
Speaker C:You could feel the banks to bounce over.
Speaker C:So we did that, and then I was flying on the air track.
Speaker C:And then when they put me on the trampoline, I just couldn't get the coordination of all the bits.
Speaker C:And in the end, it was like, okay, Joanne, just bounce down and jump up.
Speaker C:I was like, you want me to bounce on my hands and then jump up?
Speaker C:Like, this isn't going to happen.
Speaker C:Oh, I loved it.
Speaker C:And then the forward roll.
Speaker C:He was like, come on, bounce on your hands and knees.
Speaker C:Stop putting your knees down first.
Speaker C:Put your hands down first.
Speaker C:I was like, I'm gonna break my wrist, dude.
Speaker C:He's like, you're not.
Speaker C:And then as soon as you kind of get out of your head, it was just the most exhilarating experience.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I think I'm definitely hooked.
Speaker B:All right, so what does Simone Biles call it?
Speaker B:The Twisties.
Speaker A:Did you.
Speaker C:Oh, God, yeah.
Speaker C:No, won't be nice.
Speaker A:You think Joanne got so advanced that all of a sudden then she got inflicted with the pro gymnast.
Speaker A:Mental challenge?
Speaker B:Well, I would argue that the pro gymnasts don't have it all the time, and the non pro gymnasts have it all the time.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah, Interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:Do you know, what I thought was quite interesting, actually, was.
Speaker C:And maybe it's something I might look at for the coming year, is to, like, try a new activity or sport once every month.
Speaker C:So, like, try something new that I haven't done, or maybe, like, something I have done but haven't done it as an adult.
Speaker A:I think it's a great idea.
Speaker A:I think you should let us know how this goes.
Speaker A:It's going to be your challenge.
Speaker A:Like, how Katie has a challenge now.
Speaker A:It's going to be your.
Speaker B:Like, how Katie's just.
Speaker B:Every challenge just passes me by.
Speaker C:Feel like that comment should just be scrubbed.
Speaker C:Okay, edit, edit, edit.
Speaker A:Out.
Speaker C:Anyway, we digress.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Let's get back.
Speaker A:All right, so we are going to.
Speaker A:We're going to close out the show with our, like, triathlon gift holiday recommendations.
Speaker A:But first, let's talk about.
Speaker A:There's still triathlon happening, guys.
Speaker A:So this past weekend, we had a number of races actually.
Speaker A:And Katie, I feel like I was texting.
Speaker A:You explained this Women's World.
Speaker A:Women's Cup, Not World cup, because it actually was Continental cup points, but it was a Women's cup in Dubai.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I actually don't know if I can explain it too much more than just exactly what you said.
Speaker B:It's a first women's only triathlon cup that there's ever been, and in that way, it's monumental.
Speaker B:I mean, it's interesting in Dubai because, like, typically the Middle east, it's.
Speaker B:It wouldn't be women's only.
Speaker B:So that was a big.
Speaker B:That was a big aspect of it.
Speaker B:I think just the time of the year, it wasn't so prescribed.
Speaker B:There weren't very many athletes in the race, but we had Gwen Jorgensen racing.
Speaker B:It was her first race back from injury, and I know, like, she wasn't 100% going into it, but I think one of the things I saw that she'd commented about was just how brave it is to go into a race, like, when you know you're not 100% and because you're putting yourself kind of out there for everyone.
Speaker B:And I'd agree, like, it's really hard.
Speaker B:Um, I know we won't get to this until a little bit later, but we were.
Speaker B:We were talking about with Ash Gentle Racing after just announcing that she'd had a miscarriage.
Speaker B:And like, like getting going into a race in these, like, whether you're coming back from injury or like, not comparing the two, but just saying both are not right.
Speaker A:Like, knowing.
Speaker B:Setting you up to be in the right, like, headspace or physical space.
Speaker B:So I think both of them are being very brave athletes.
Speaker A:Especially, like you're saying for those pros, those, like, big names where, you know everybody's watching you, like, Joanne and I go into races unprepared all the time.
Speaker A:But if you're, like, if you're a Gwen or An Ashley.
Speaker A:It's like a different.
Speaker A:Like, different kind of level to, like, know that you're gonna try.
Speaker C:Look at Taylor and Lucy coming back from Kona and stepping on to start in a Marbella.
Speaker C:I mean, people probably expected them to fail following what happened in Kona.
Speaker C:Oh, they're not recovered enough.
Speaker C:They're not this, that, and the other.
Speaker C:And, you know, the.
Speaker C:The expectation on them is just so high.
Speaker C:So you can imagine how difficult it was for Gwen to get on that start line, knowing, you know, maybe she wasn't in the best sure shape that she would have liked to have been.
Speaker B:And to that point, like, it can go both ways.
Speaker B:Like, you can come into races, like, super unprepared or in, like, a weird headspace.
Speaker B:And, like, you can end up having things go super well and surprising yourself.
Speaker B:And regardless, I think there's no better place to do to just, like, you.
Speaker B:You just start, like, and you see what happens.
Speaker A:And it was one.
Speaker A:So going in at six, it was won by Valentina or Zova, one of the neutral Russian athletes.
Speaker A:I guess they're technically independent neutral athletes from Russia.
Speaker A:Um, which is always like a weird.
Speaker A:That's what AIN stands for for people who are looking at results and don't know what that stands for.
Speaker A:It stands for authorized independent neutral athlete.
Speaker A:So interesting.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:As the Olympics come up, in case you were wondering, that is what that means.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then we had a couple 70 point threes, obviously, here in California in it.
Speaker A:I feel like it's what used to be called Indian Wells.
Speaker A:Now they're calling it La Quinta.
Speaker A:They're two towns that are, like, next to each other, so it's could be either one.
Speaker A:But now we're calling it La Quinta.
Speaker A:And I heard, like, race morning.
Speaker A:I heard that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Golf cart backed into the pro racks, and a bunch of the women's bikes just got, like, brakes got broken, wheels got broken things.
Speaker A:Jackie Herring's bike, I gather, was.
Speaker A:Had some issues.
Speaker A:Not in great shape.
Speaker C:I think Steph Clutterbuck's bike as well get injured.
Speaker C:I think I saw a post on that as well.
Speaker C:Oh, gosh.
Speaker C:I mean, that's really tough as well, because you're psyched up for another race.
Speaker C:It's late in the season, and then something completely random happens.
Speaker C:But I think Steph actually did get to race in the end.
Speaker C:I'm not sure.
Speaker A:Oh, but yeah, Jackie got fourth, Steph raised.
Speaker A:I think Carolyn was the one I, like, heard it from.
Speaker A:So, like, people.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think people, like, let each.
Speaker A:Let people wheels you know, but it was kind of a mess.
Speaker A:Big news though is Kristen Casper first.
Speaker A:70.3 and she won, which was awesome.
Speaker A:This like these Olympians, once they, once they try the 70 point threes, man.
Speaker B:Well, and she's another one who she.
Speaker B:I mean, she's coming back from like hip surgery and she raced at the World and she was like 24th.
Speaker B:But then she raced at Florianopolis at the World cup and she was fourth there, which was really like, I thought it was really impressive.
Speaker B:So then to also be racing Indian Wells and get and win there.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm wondering she's.
Speaker A:If she's like, yeah, I don't know what her plans are for at all.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Um, yeah.
Speaker A:But I wonder if she's planning to do more 70 point threes now, now that she's got the bug.
Speaker B:It's so hard though, because this is also an Olympic qualification starting.
Speaker B:So I mean it.
Speaker B:I find, I think it's going to be super interesting to see how these athletes who, like this year, they're doing a lot of both or like dabbling in both, whether they have to dial it in a little bit more because for Olympic qualification, I mean you really have to like start focusing on like getting points.
Speaker B:And I know Kirsten has to do that anyways because she hasn't raced in so long that she's pretty far down the points list.
Speaker A:I just don't even know.
Speaker A:I know her husband announced he was retired.
Speaker A:He's in our wave of retirement and they're like moving to Arizona.
Speaker A:So it's like, who knows?
Speaker A:I don't know what anyone's plans are anymore.
Speaker A:Everybody's changing everything.
Speaker A:It's crazy.
Speaker B:Well, now I'm like, now I don't know if this is just a big year for retirement or whether you've just made me more aware of it because now I'm like, everybody.
Speaker A:Rachel Clamor announced her retirement.
Speaker A:Kate Bessette and Richard, they did a dual.
Speaker B:Very sweet.
Speaker A:Kate Beck.
Speaker C:No, but I definitely feel like we have a lot of people retiring this year.
Speaker C:2025 is going to be remembered as the year of retirement.
Speaker A:Maybe we just.
Speaker A:Maybe it just like hit.
Speaker A:Was it like a Domino's right?
Speaker A:And people like, normally people wouldn't announce, but now it's just like everyone's announcing like, keep back ba.
Speaker A:I can never say Bea.
Speaker A:I say it terrible.
Speaker A:She announced her retirement after Western Australia, Iron Man.
Speaker A:Western Australia was this weekend too.
Speaker A:And so she also had like a 20 year career.
Speaker A:So I just feel like I Just feel like everybody.
Speaker A:It's just everybody.
Speaker C:But maybe, like, if you.
Speaker C:If you kind of look at the statistics of those athletes, like, what sort of age ranges are the athletes?
Speaker C:Like, are they coming up to a point where it's time for retirement?
Speaker B:That would mean I was old, Joanne.
Speaker B:They're all my.
Speaker B:They're all my old.
Speaker B:No, I actually, as you were saying it, and as I was like, no, that can't be right.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker B:I guess we're like, almost 40.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, yeah, you know, so it's not like they're really, really, really, really, really old retiring, Katie.
Speaker C:Or really, really, really, really young retiring.
Speaker C:They're all within, like, a certain age band.
Speaker C:We'll say.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker A:I think, like, Deedee kind of mentioned last week, like, it.
Speaker A:The pro environment, pro scene, pro racing has really, really changed in the last, like, post.
Speaker A:Pandemic, Right?
Speaker A:I was gonna say last three to five years, but.
Speaker A:So I feel like that may be why, like, people made it through an Olympic cycle, or they made it through, you know, the first round of Kona and quality, like, whatever.
Speaker A:They made it through a thing or two they wanted still to do.
Speaker A:And now they're like, look, it's a.
Speaker A:It's a different fucking game now.
Speaker A:Like, time to do something else.
Speaker B:But I see both sides.
Speaker B:Like, I see athletes continuing a lot longer.
Speaker B:And maybe that's also why you're seeing a lot of retirements, is just because the ages.
Speaker B:I think it's still, like you're saying, there's this group of ages that is similar to retire right now, but also athletes are just retiring a lot later than what they would have, I think, before, just because I feel like there's more opportunity, too, but also it is more competitive.
Speaker B:So it's kind of like two things happening.
Speaker C:And then I guess there's this side of it, like, where the athletes want to retire on their terms and not maybe go another year or two years and then end the season early and have all these goals, and then you have the disappointment of, like, I didn't get to achieve those final things I wanted to do.
Speaker C:But if I retire now, I'm happy with what I've achieved.
Speaker C:Maybe I'm completely off the mark with that, but I guess being able to retire on your own terms is better than being forced out through injury or illness or something.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Well, the nice thing is you can always come out of retirement.
Speaker A:You can.
Speaker A:Like that NFL quarterback guy.
Speaker A:This is probably not news to Joanne, and actually, I don't know if Katie follows the NFL, but there's this guy who just came like, he's like 44.
Speaker A:He's like a grandpa.
Speaker A:He just came out of retirement and is on like the practice roster for.
Speaker A:I don't remember who, but.
Speaker C:Well, in Irish context, we had Kelly Harrington, who is our Olympic champion and she is, she announced her retirement last year and she fought last week and I think she might be thinking about coming back for la.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Lindsay Vaughn.
Speaker A:Yeah, isn't Lindsay.
Speaker A:Lindsay Vaughn, I think is probably going to make the Olympics given just like rankings and stat.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker C:I see Casey Severus coming out of retirement to do her first Art Man.
Speaker B:Iron man.
Speaker B:No, no, 70.3 Iron Man.
Speaker B:You can add, you can add some numbers in front of.
Speaker A:All right, the other Olympian though, so we.
Speaker A:Indian Wells, La Quinta, Kristen Casper, watch out for her.
Speaker A:I think if depending on what she decides to do.
Speaker A:The other Olympian this past weekend though, Bahrain, 70.3.
Speaker A:Georgia Taylor Brown put down the fastest 70.3 time on record ever.
Speaker A:And I'm going to get this right.
Speaker A:3:51, 19.
Speaker A:Now that's caused a whole, like, controversy in the feisty triathlon comments because, like, what is the fastest ever?
Speaker A:Because, like.
Speaker A: she broke Danielle Osrie from: Speaker A:And this is why you should never listen to ChatGPT or AI because that is incorrect.
Speaker A:And the actual record that she broke was Taylor Nibs from two years ago.
Speaker A:But then you're like.
Speaker A:And then apparently Solvay also went faster than that.
Speaker A:But so, but the one Solvay went faster at we all consider to be short on the course.
Speaker A:So then it becomes like, what courses count?
Speaker A:How are they measured?
Speaker A:Do we keep records in triathlon?
Speaker A:And then I was just like, oh my God, I just threw up my hands this weekend.
Speaker B:I think it's irrelevant.
Speaker B:I'm saying that.
Speaker B:Okay, so I'm saying this out of.
Speaker B:I also at one time don't know if I still hold it had the fastest, like Olympic, like draft legal Olympic distance on Yokohama.
Speaker B:And I'm not gonna lie, I was like really proud of myself for it.
Speaker B:But also knowing the times I think in general don't really mean much when you're just looking overall like, she's the fastest it ever went.
Speaker B:But I think the trend is kind of interesting just in the sense of like a lot of times this year haven't we heard, like the fastest.
Speaker B:They went the fastest on the courses, like by a significant amount.
Speaker B:And obviously, like, I don't Know equipment changes, shoot like shoe changes, athletes just.
Speaker B:Well, triathlon just being a relatively new sport, it's just going to keep getting faster.
Speaker C:But I think they've changed most of the time that.
Speaker C:Well, definitely know that.
Speaker C:Ironman talk about world best.
Speaker A:Yeah, they don't talk about records yet.
Speaker C:They don't talk about records because like you could have, you know, the course could be slightly short or slightly long in somewhere or there could be a longer transition or a shorter transition in certain races.
Speaker C:And actually when I was looking up the Georgia Taylor Brown time, I was getting a thing where it says that Bahrain was slightly shorter on the bike course.
Speaker A:Bahrain is like known for being short and fast.
Speaker A:Like the records are always set there.
Speaker A:But then it's like is it just fast?
Speaker A:Is it a little short?
Speaker A:Do they just.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like why are records always said at Roth?
Speaker A:Like there's a lot of reasons.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Well, can I just say I hold two Irish cycling records and I'm not going to let anybody take those away from me.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:I hold them.
Speaker C:With our cycling team, we have the, the race around Ireland record, the Irish record for cycling two and a half thousand kilometers around Ireland.
Speaker C:Then we also host a record, hold a record for the fastest time around Donegal, which is the hilliest county in Ireland.
Speaker C:555km and 19 hours of cycling.
Speaker C:So records, I'm all about them, but obviously if the courses are different.
Speaker C:Very hard to hold a record.
Speaker C:But one of those races is gone now, so we definitely will forever hold.
Speaker A:You're going be the record holder forever and ever.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:I, I hold the record at a race that no longer exists.
Speaker A:And so I will be the record holder forever effort.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker C: years,: Speaker C:I'm holding onto them nice and tightly.
Speaker A:I will say a lot of people especially, okay, so if you come from a run, like a lot of people running is bigger.
Speaker A:People understand running records and they understand like 10k marathon and they understand the concept that those are certified courses.
Speaker A:Like we know how far that distance is.
Speaker A:The concept that, that doesn't exist in triathlon.
Speaker A:Like there is no certification of courses in triathlon.
Speaker A:There is no like checking to make sure it was exactly 40k or exactly 112 miles.
Speaker A:Like that's not a thing.
Speaker A:And people are really a hard time understanding that.
Speaker A:Like it's just there is no cert.
Speaker A:There is no check, there is no certification.
Speaker A:There is no like verifying how far the distances are.
Speaker C:Well, I, I wouldn't Say there isn't.
Speaker A:I'm not saying the race directors.
Speaker C:I would say there's a.
Speaker C:There's a.
Speaker B:There's a.
Speaker C:So with the racing, to have a permit for road running and road racing, you have to have it specifically.
Speaker A:There's like a very specific way they certify.
Speaker A:They get out there with like the rolly thing and they measure it.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But that is.
Speaker A:That's not a thing they do in triathlon.
Speaker A:That is not.
Speaker A:That does not exist in triathlon.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:And even in world triathlon, there's like a time for the coaches to like, go wheel the course themselves just to see how like, what the distance is.
Speaker B:So I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah, and they'll be like, oh, it was pretty much spot on or whatever.
Speaker B:Meters off right now.
Speaker B:It doesn't matter.
Speaker C:Speaking of records and Olympians, can we just take a moment to appreciate what Alex Yi did in Valencia weekend?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So we can say that's fast.
Speaker A:So Alex yi ran a 206 marathon in Valencia.
Speaker A:Speaking of, like, certified marathon courses.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It's a certified course.
Speaker A:It is a fast course.
Speaker A:It is known for being a fast course.
Speaker A:But that's still the second fastest time ever by a British runner behind Mo Farah, which is crazy.
Speaker C:And it's only his second ever marathon.
Speaker A:And he's in London.
Speaker B:He was like, disappointed.
Speaker B:And this is like quite good.
Speaker A:You know, his brother ran it with him too.
Speaker A:I didn't realize he ran like a 240something.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just saw his brother with the half and half mustache.
Speaker C:But isn't that insane?
Speaker A:It is insane.
Speaker A:I've heard a lot of people being like, oh, is he gonna go after the marathon or triathlon in la?
Speaker A:And I am here.
Speaker A:I'm putting my money down.
Speaker A:He's to going after his second old in the triathlon, guys.
Speaker A:Like, I think he's going triathlon.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:It's all like, oh, but he could.
Speaker A:No, he's going triathlon.
Speaker A:Like, I'm gonna put my bets on.
Speaker B:This, but marathon is always last.
Speaker A:I know people are like, could he do both?
Speaker A:And I'm like, I don't think he's a guy who.
Speaker A:I think he wants to win another gold medal.
Speaker C:Plus maybe he was just taking a year off from, you know, taking the year, taking the break, getting the miles and the legs, maybe wanting.
Speaker C:Wanting to have a stronger run coming into la.
Speaker C:And this is the perfect time to put those miles into the legs.
Speaker C:And now, you know, let's see what happens.
Speaker A:I think Olympics, I mean, I think he can do Whatever he wants.
Speaker A:I'm just saying my bet is.
Speaker C:Triathlon.
Speaker B:I think it'll be really interesting to see, like, this next year.
Speaker A:So what he.
Speaker A:If his.
Speaker A:If he pulls a Gwen and is like, my heart calls me to the marathon.
Speaker B:I. I don't feel like he wouldn't do triathlon.
Speaker B:I just wonder if he would try to see if he could do both.
Speaker B:But I also think even now, he's kind of seen with his focus on the marathon, how much, like, his triathlon has been impacted in the sense of, like, when he did race, like, the level he was like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:Like, I see where I'm at when my focuses are kind of split.
Speaker A:But see, that's what I think.
Speaker A:I don't think he's gonna, like, want to give up that, like, split that focus and give up that gold medal possibility.
Speaker B:I hope not.
Speaker B:Because he's such a good rep for Trav.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's great.
Speaker A:We love him.
Speaker A:But he ran Valencia.
Speaker A:I will.
Speaker A:I also want to do you guys.
Speaker A:Melindy Elmore, Canadian runner.
Speaker A:Then she was a pro triathlete for all the.
Speaker A:Back to running.
Speaker A:She also ran in Valencia.
Speaker A:I'm only calling this out because she's like, 42 and she ran or 45 and she ran like a 224, which is crazy.
Speaker A:So the triathletes, you know, they can get it done.
Speaker A:Any other races.
Speaker A:Joanne, you want to say Western Australia happened this weekend too.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Yes, it did.
Speaker C:And actually, I want to give a shout out to Bex Milne, who is the coach to Cameron Maine, who won Western Australia on his debut.
Speaker C:And he also.
Speaker C:He also won Ironman 70.3, Kanaka haste back in August.
Speaker C:But yeah, on debut, took the win at Western Australia.
Speaker C:And his coach is Bex from the uk.
Speaker C:So big shout out to Bex and to Cameron this week on that phenomenal result.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:Heather, I feel like Western Australia ended up being all these debuts because Lottie Wills won.
Speaker A:But then in second was Kate Coran, who was.
Speaker A:This was her first ever Ironman.
Speaker A:In third was Anne Sophie.
Speaker A:It was her first ever Ironman.
Speaker A:So I was just like, is this just where everybody did I, like, miss the memo?
Speaker A:Were we all supposed to make our debuts in Busselton?
Speaker A:Apparently.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:Maybe people were going out for Christmas, little extended break before Christmas, you know?
Speaker A:But yeah, King Karan, good for her.
Speaker A:She won 8:30 too.
Speaker A:As in her first ever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is like, solid.
Speaker A:Race coming up this weekend.
Speaker A:T100 Qatar, which I always.
Speaker A:Because people who are Arabic fluent Say it differently, but we're going to screw it up if we try.
Speaker A:So, Qatar.
Speaker A:I was correct last week in saying that it's basically down to Kate Woff, Julie Duran, Lucy Charles Barkley.
Speaker A:Whoever wins, wins.
Speaker A:Like, there's like.
Speaker A:Like, if Kate gets second, then Lucy and Julie have to both be off the podium in order for.
Speaker A:Like, there's all these complicated scenarios, but basically, whoever of the three wins, wins, is the winner.
Speaker C:It doesn't matter where the other two finish them.
Speaker A:Whoever wins, wins.
Speaker A:If they.
Speaker A:If none of them win, then it becomes more comp.
Speaker A:Like if Ashley Gentle, some, you know, upsets all of them or.
Speaker A:Or Georgia Taylor Brown upsets, then it becomes more complicated.
Speaker A:But whoever wins out of the three of them wins.
Speaker C:And is Georgia definitely going to Qatar after winning in Bahrain?
Speaker B:I believe so.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:She's doing everything.
Speaker A:She's doing everything this year.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Insane round the clock there.
Speaker A:My, my.
Speaker A:Right now.
Speaker A:Paula was a question mark.
Speaker A:Paula Finley.
Speaker A:But she is there and her bike finally showed up.
Speaker A:I believe that was a question mark.
Speaker A:Ash.
Speaker C:Her injury healed after Marbella because she was.
Speaker C:She had a hip.
Speaker C:Hip niggle.
Speaker A:I think she's been.
Speaker A:I think this is part of why she was said she was a question mark because she wasn't sure if she was going to be able to, like, do enough run training to, like, really make it through.
Speaker A:But she's there, so she's going to give it a go.
Speaker A:Ash Gentle, like we mentioned, just shared that she miscarried this week at, like, seven weeks, but she still.
Speaker A:And still got on her flight to go race in Dubai, which has got to be rough.
Speaker A:It's got to be tough.
Speaker C:And then also, Josh retired after Patagonia man in Chile as well, so it's been a bit of a roller coaster for those guys, so I hope they're doing okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, I hope she has fun in Dubai.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I hope, like.
Speaker A:Or Qatar.
Speaker A:Sorry, I said do I. Qatar.
Speaker A:Because I know, like, a lot of the athletes, like, when they go to the races, they all get to see each other.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's like seeing your friends.
Speaker A:And so hopefully they.
Speaker A:Everybody, like, you know, is there to support her.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker B:I feel like the triathlon community is, like, really good at rallying and T100 probably.
Speaker B:Like, I've never done a T100 race, but I would imagine that group of people would really be there for her and, like, be able to just support, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then you see Byron coming back as well after her partner Sam passing away.
Speaker C:I think we, we mentioned that last week.
Speaker C:And Imogen Simmons is back as well.
Speaker A:And then other names we have Taylor Spivey race.
Speaker A:I think this is her also her last race of the wild whirlwind year.
Speaker A:And Jess Learmont.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Holly Lawrence.
Speaker B:It's a good race.
Speaker C:It's a good race.
Speaker B:Good start listening.
Speaker A:And it like actually is the men's race is a little bit more like Hayden Wild has to do badly in order not to win.
Speaker A:For anyone else to win, he has to be like off the podium.
Speaker A:But the women's race is very much up in the air.
Speaker B:Well, that's what I was thinking when you were talking about like the what if situations.
Speaker B:It's like they could be all off the podium.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I think, I think in their heads they're like, win and I win.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Like, I just have to win and I win.
Speaker A:So because you told us before, right, Katie, that you guys don't do.
Speaker A:You don't do all the math.
Speaker A:You're just like, I just need to go out there and win.
Speaker C:Well, I hope everyone will be able.
Speaker B:To really gonna race it differently.
Speaker B:And if you are in a.
Speaker B:It's when you're it.
Speaker B:I would say it's the middle of racing when things aren't going your way that you're like starting to be like, well, where am I?
Speaker B:And like you start like count like counting a bit more.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:Because I was gonna say there.
Speaker C:I hope all the athletes are able to do their maths for this way.
Speaker A:And they can count because it is six laps.
Speaker A:Six laps.
Speaker A:Again, I believe in Qatar, so.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:But I always feel like T100 messed it up or like there was.
Speaker B:There was some miscommunication and some mess ups.
Speaker A:They won't mess it like, oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:This will be the clearest.
Speaker A:If anybody, if anybody starts an ex Sherlock, there's gonna be like T100 staff member like chasing them down.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think this is the one where everybody's really gonna have it dialed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:T100 also announced their schedule for next year, which you can see like on their website and on their Instagram.
Speaker A:And it is rotating like, you know a men.
Speaker A:Like the men are in San Francisco, the women are in London.
Speaker A:There is a Butler is not just Qatar and Dubai.
Speaker A:There's a Saudi Arabia race too.
Speaker A:So there's a bunch of Middle east races now.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Which is interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Have you heard like what athletes think about this splitness?
Speaker B:I haven't like really talked to anyone about it.
Speaker A:I think I mean, I think there's like kind of like two mindsets.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:One is like from a realistic logistical standpoint, the athletes were like, we are over racing.
Speaker A:So I think they recognize that, like, they needed less races.
Speaker A:So they like that on that side.
Speaker A:I think they appreciate it and get it and are like, yes, I need less races.
Speaker A:There are too many races on the marketing side, I think they are a little split in terms of like, it is easier to market when you have everybody, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But you know, they, they were too many races this year.
Speaker A:Like, the athletes were flying too much.
Speaker A:Like, I think they were just like, this is nuts.
Speaker A:Like, how do we do this?
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So my event management brain is kind of going like, how, how many women and how many men are they going to have now racing at these events?
Speaker A:Because obviously they're gonna have the same 20.
Speaker C:So they're gonna put on these massive races for 20 athletes?
Speaker A:No, they're really just Joanne, they're really an age group racing company now.
Speaker A:Did you get the memo?
Speaker C:But like that's on the next day, is it?
Speaker C:Like the age group race will be on the next day and the pro race will be on the day before, potentially, like they've done in the past.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think there's mix like London, like London, they're not actually putting on a pro race.
Speaker A:It's actually the WTC or sorry, WTCs in London and there is no T100 Pro race.
Speaker A:And then T100 is just putting on the age group race there.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then like San Francisco here, they're like, that's actually Alcatraz.
Speaker A:Alcatraz is putting on the age group race and then they're just doing like this little men's pro race like in the morning the day before.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So like, I think there's like a bunch of things that are going to be quirky and weird or like the Dubai event is obviously part of this whole big festival where they do that big, like 5K.
Speaker A:So I think there's a lot of elements here where like, the pro thing is certainly not their primary focus in every situation anymore.
Speaker C:Like, how can you shut down a City for 20 athletes?
Speaker C:Because that's what they'll be doing.
Speaker C:They'll be shutting down a city.
Speaker A:Well, that's why they do loops.
Speaker A:They don't really shut down the whole city.
Speaker A:They shut down, you know, a 5K loop.
Speaker C:Yeah, but you're still closing roads.
Speaker C:You're still having like implications for cities that are going to cause trouble for local residents or People pissed off.
Speaker C:And then the next day you've got all these age group athletes that are doing the race.
Speaker C:I just find it strange that they would split it in the way that they're doing it with only 20 athletes.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't think it's going to operate the same way they did this year.
Speaker A:Like, I think there are some operational changes they're making.
Speaker A:I also think there is a reason that like four of their events are in the Mid east now.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because they are being paid a lot of money to come and put on these festivals.
Speaker A:So, you know, like the notion like the way they started with, like, we're going to do things in like a city center in London or San Francisco or Miami.
Speaker A:Like, I don't think that's really what they're doing as much anymore now.
Speaker A:So we'll see.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker C:Watch this space, I guess.
Speaker A:Watch this space.
Speaker A:I mean, them and super try.
Speaker A:Everybody's just getting into the age group racing business.
Speaker A:So Super Tri had an announcement too where I kind of expect us to see changes to their racing as well.
Speaker A:Read between the lines.
Speaker A:Unless Katie, Unless Katie knows something secret here.
Speaker B:No, but I do expect there to be changes as well.
Speaker C:Manifesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:What was the word that was most used on this podcast?
Speaker C:25 Since Katie and I joined.
Speaker C:Katie, do you want to say the word?
Speaker B:Is it manifesting or oops?
Speaker C:I think they're equal.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But T100 you can watch this weekend, I think in Europe.
Speaker A:You actually are in a good time zone, right, to watch it.
Speaker C:Yeah, we should be.
Speaker C:I think so.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Hopefully so.
Speaker C:I'm on my holidays.
Speaker C:I'm finished.
Speaker C:Watching triathlon on tv.
Speaker C:Studying for next year.
Speaker A:Studying for next.
Speaker A:You got to study up because next week we are going to do a. I want your favorite picks of the year.
Speaker A:But before we finish up today's episode with our gift guide picks, I do want to give a shout out.
Speaker A:We didn't talk about it last week because the announcement came.
Speaker A:The official announcement came after we recorded.
Speaker A:But Tridot and Mark Allen's big push to get more women into triathlon.
Speaker A:They launched this program for free.
Speaker A:A year of free tri dot coaching.
Speaker A:They're going to have like webinars.
Speaker A:Feisty is probably going to help out with a few of the webinars and some experts.
Speaker A:They filled up so quickly with 500 people.
Speaker A:They extended it to a thousand.
Speaker A:And then I was told today they've already filled up a thousand and they have a wait list now.
Speaker A:So that's a lot of.
Speaker A:A lot of women.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So hopefully, I mean I don't obviously I don't know that it's going to like solve all the systemic structural problem, but it'll, you know, give women some support, get them into, into a race, get them at a start line.
Speaker B:Yeah, it'll be cool to see like, because I wonder how many people actually have coaches or like not follow a program so like the actual staff have.
Speaker A:The opportunity that most people do not, which is always like kind of crazy.
Speaker A:They're like chat gpting programs.
Speaker C:But then if you're in a tri club and you've got a coach attached to your tri club, do you really need to have a like a coach through training or an online coach?
Speaker C:I think it depends on your level.
Speaker A:I don't know that everybody is attached to try club with a coach.
Speaker B:That's what I was thinking here.
Speaker B:It's not as.
Speaker A:It's not a thing.
Speaker A:Like I mean it is a thing, but it's not.
Speaker C:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker C:Over here there's a lot of people are in triathlon clubs and so like in the week they're structured training.
Speaker C:So you're like, you're not.
Speaker C:Might.
Speaker C:May not be specific to what you need if you're training for an Ironman or 70.3 or whatever your goal is.
Speaker C:But like certainly you'd have coached swim sessions.
Speaker C:So you have a coach there on the track, you have a coach run session, they set the session.
Speaker C:But if you're racing a marathon in a couple of weeks time, they'll tailor the session for you or they'll suggest you do something different.
Speaker C:Like the bike is slightly different because we're cycling on the roads here.
Speaker C:But there's an option for like turbo training classes and different things.
Speaker C:So I think definitely the culture in the UK and Ireland is to be in a tri club as opposed to.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, we're headed for a big goal.
Speaker A:It's an interesting question because like clubs are like clubs definitely exist and clubs were really, really big here.
Speaker A:Like USAT will tell you like that was the.
Speaker A:I think they fell awesome during the.
Speaker B:Pandemic or I feel like it's not as structured during the week.
Speaker B:Like I think people are still more.
Speaker B:They're in triathlon clothes but it's more like you go to a race, you're wearing the same or they have like one.
Speaker A:It's like on Saturdays we do a long ride together.
Speaker A:Like it's like.
Speaker A:Or you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like there's two workouts a week.
Speaker C:But then in the States Sign up.
Speaker C:But then in the States, is it, is it different?
Speaker C:Like, so our clubs are voluntary run.
Speaker C:They're, they're, they're like funded through the membership and stuff like that.
Speaker C:But then if you look at some of the clubs, or maybe they're not close, but like say the Cupcake Cartel, is that a club or is it like a commercial entity that provides coaches and you join the club, but it's not volunteer led, it's actually somebody at the top.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker A:That is for sure.
Speaker A:That is for sure.
Speaker A:A business model that you'll see around here where like there is a coach or a group of coaches and you pay in to be part of that group.
Speaker A:It's usually not like as expensive.
Speaker A:And then you get, you know, joint workouts, group workouts.
Speaker A:Like LA Triclub is a really, really big one that does this and you can, and you sign it.
Speaker A:You like pay in to be like, I'm.
Speaker A:We're all going to do this race together.
Speaker A:We're all going to be on this program.
Speaker A:We're going to do group workouts together.
Speaker A:But then, yeah, like you're saying it is, it is more of a business.
Speaker A:There are obviously volunteer ones, but they, like Katie saying, kind of tend to be more like we have a like two, like a Tuesday night track workout and a Saturday long ride and then we just like go out for beers.
Speaker A:Like it's more like a.
Speaker C:Okay, okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I gu a different structure really over there than it is over here now.
Speaker C:You would have some of those kind of clubs over here.
Speaker C:So I'm just thinking like passion, fit and total try training.
Speaker C:And some of those that are in the UK would be more like the American model, like the Cupcake Cartel or Everyman Jack or some of those guys.
Speaker A:I think they vary.
Speaker A:I mean, I was in a lot of club, I was in different, not a lot, but in different clubs kind of coming up through and I just, I don't even think those exist anymore.
Speaker A:And I think that was a pandemic.
Speaker A:Like the ones I belong to, like do not exist anymore.
Speaker A:And I think that was a pandemic thing for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know, Katie.
Speaker B:I don't have that much experience just from what I've like even seen on the junior side of things.
Speaker B:It's like they have like group coaching sometimes, but they're not getting like a whole plan for their training.
Speaker B:And so some people might have like be on a club and also have an individual coach.
Speaker B:I don't feel like there's that Many.
Speaker A:That are giving out full training plans.
Speaker B:No full training plans, but also really limited view here.
Speaker B:So I'm sure our feisty are.
Speaker A:Yeah, I will.
Speaker A:It is definitely an, like, what's the word?
Speaker A:A barrier for women to, like, fully know how to train.
Speaker A:Like, what.
Speaker A:How do I get from here to the start line of my ironman?
Speaker A:And so for sure, like, that is one of the barriers.
Speaker A:So, like, providing coaching, again, like, I don't think it's gonna solve all the barriers, but it will.
Speaker A:It will help some women for sure.
Speaker A:Because even when we do feisty programs, like, we do a lot with cycling programs.
Speaker A:It is like, I needed, like, how do I get from here to there?
Speaker A:All these questions, webinars, group rides, and a training plan.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Okay, so that kind of segues us nicely into the final portion of today's show, which is to talk about presents for triathletes at Christmas.
Speaker C:So what are we thinking, girls?
Speaker C:What would you like to see stuffed in your Christmas stocking on Christmas day?
Speaker B:Well, I put, I put a Christmas list together for my OXO athletes.
Speaker B:I did, because one of them asked for it.
Speaker B:And when I, like, put the list down, I was like, well, this might be multiple Christmases, like a decade.
Speaker B:Triathlon is an expensive sport.
Speaker B:But I was saying, like, even like, gift cards to, like, their local bike shop.
Speaker B:That way you can kind of see, like, you're supporting local but also getting what you need for our athletes.
Speaker B:I also said grocery.
Speaker C:Grocery gift cards.
Speaker B:And then now, because we're in the winter, I'm like, the winter gear.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I was going to say winter.
Speaker A:I like, it's been weirdly cold here for a while and I, I'm all about right now.
Speaker A:Fleece bib tights are like the biggest luxury for cycling.
Speaker C:Please sleep tights.
Speaker C:I'd be sweating like, oh, no, no.
Speaker A:You think you don't want them?
Speaker A:You're like, no, no.
Speaker A:I can just put on leg warmers.
Speaker A:I don't need these.
Speaker A:But I've never regretted.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Between being prepared for the outdoor elements and not.
Speaker B:I remember when I first did, like, when I first got into triathlon, I was in Syracuse and I was doing like a ride with my coach.
Speaker B:And I think I was wearing, like, shorts and a.
Speaker B:And like a short sleeve bib.
Speaker B:And I can remember being so cold, I was like, sticking my fingers, like, up my bib shorts to like, try and keep them warm.
Speaker B:So I would say, like, nice gloves would be.
Speaker B:And toes.
Speaker B:It's like your gloves, your.
Speaker B:Your hands and your feet.
Speaker C:The merino wool socks is always a good choice because they.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:They help keep your toes warm.
Speaker B:This is coming from though.
Speaker B:This is coming from also going with Kelly.
Speaker B:I hate riding inside.
Speaker B:So anybody who just like thrives in the winter indoors probably is like, what?
Speaker B:We don't need that.
Speaker A:But fair point, fair point.
Speaker A:Yeah, I will.
Speaker A:Like, this is like Joanne was trying to get us pick stocking stuffers, but I'm going to tell you.
Speaker A:I was for a long time.
Speaker A:Like, I don't need, you know, a long sleeve bike jersey.
Speaker A:I don't need like long bib tights because you could just wear leg warmers or arm warmers or like what?
Speaker A:Like this is.
Speaker A:And someone gave me some a couple of years ago and it is such a big difference.
Speaker A:So I would say.
Speaker A:And it feels like a luxury.
Speaker A:It feels ridiculous.
Speaker A:But long sleeve jersey, long bib shorts, bib tights, excellent.
Speaker B:Surprise.
Speaker B:You're not more on board with this.
Speaker B:You're like in the uk.
Speaker C:Well, I'm, you know, you can just layer up.
Speaker C:Can just layer up.
Speaker C:It doesn't have to.
Speaker C:I'm worried about.
Speaker C:I mean, I think I'd prefer the fleece lining on my leggings.
Speaker C:So I come home and put the fire down and have a hot water bottle and a fleece blanket.
Speaker B:She's also in Southern California.
Speaker B:Remember.
Speaker B:Me?
Speaker A:Oh, no, I'm in Northern California.
Speaker B:Oh no, you're Northern California.
Speaker A:And we have had a cold spell and it has been like 40 degrees for like weeks and it is terrible.
Speaker C:Okay, so tell me 40 degrees in my, my Texas.
Speaker A:8 or 9, 10.
Speaker C:I went running in shorts and a long sleeve top.
Speaker A:I did too.
Speaker A:But biking is very not fun.
Speaker A:I did not regress the fleece bit.
Speaker B:Biking is different.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay, so then, all right, so then some fun things like.
Speaker C:Journal.
Speaker C:Well, a journal, but that's kind of like serious as well though, isn't it?
Speaker C:No, it's not.
Speaker B:Well, okay, a plug.
Speaker B:Never been sponsored and still not sponsored, but has been my Christmas present from my sister for like a decade now.
Speaker B:Is the Passion Planner Journal.
Speaker B:Huge fan.
Speaker C:Now is that for triathlon or for something else?
Speaker C:Katie, the Passion Planner.
Speaker B:Everything, it's.
Speaker B:It fits all realms of life, all rounds of life.
Speaker B:And like it's goal setting.
Speaker B:It really like maps it out.
Speaker B:It has the week, it has the month.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker B:Really keeps you on, on deck.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:The Passion Planner.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Kelly, have we got any feisty.
Speaker A:I was saying.
Speaker A:Well now I was, I was stuck to.
Speaker A:I'm trying to think if I have goal setting, fun things.
Speaker A:I am also A big fan of like the little fun jewelry that is like swim swim resistant, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:And there's a couple of athletes that have done kind of collabs that raise money then for you know like Jesse Diggins does one for Protect our Winners.
Speaker A:Kate Courtney's done one for like the little girls mountain biking group.
Speaker A:So I like those.
Speaker A:Those are fun.
Speaker A:And then feisty has.
Speaker A:We have a bunch of little like merch if you're looking for.
Speaker A:Because I'm in a winter mood.
Speaker A:A good sweatshirt is this watch women sports sweatshirt.
Speaker A:We also have strong and feisty tanks but that's really more for summer.
Speaker A:So I've been going with my sweatshirt.
Speaker A:My nice watch women sports to go.
Speaker C:With your fleece line bib shorts.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And socks are always fun.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker C:Socks are always good.
Speaker C:And like headbands like and especially like when you're living in, in Ireland or the UK and it's really dark at night, it's a bit cold.
Speaker C:You can get some of this body light gear.
Speaker C:It's made for runners but actually it's really good for if you're even running on the streets where the street lighting but you're seen by the cars, you're seen by the trucks, which is obviously very important.
Speaker C:But it's very funky looking gear as well.
Speaker C:And I did actually pick up a shocks race band race belt in Hawaii.
Speaker C:So I think that's a pretty cool.
Speaker C:You know, a race belt's a nice kind of little little thing for Christmas and also for an athlete who plans to do a lot of running or racing next year, it's like a little medal holder, you know, where you can hang little medals.
Speaker A:That's cute.
Speaker C:And I think that's kind of cute as well.
Speaker C:And you can actually get ones where people's name are on it or you can even get a mug with your favorite face on it.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker C:So there's loads of different things, you know on that.
Speaker A:You know what I did a couple ago when we were like testing different gift guides for triathlete.
Speaker A:You can send in like old race T shirts and they made a little quilt of.
Speaker A:Because I don't.
Speaker A:I mean I have.
Speaker A:You have.
Speaker A:If you have so many race T shirts that you don't wear some of them.
Speaker A:They made a little quilt.
Speaker A:It was very cute.
Speaker A:It was fleece backed.
Speaker A:Joanne.
Speaker C:So you're really getting into the fleece thing.
Speaker A:You know, I.
Speaker C:More sparkling.
Speaker C:I'm thinking sparkling gifts for this year.
Speaker B:Just so you know, I'm on the cozy fleece side.
Speaker B:Of things like 100.
Speaker C:What age are you?
Speaker B:Give me a blanket, give me a sweatshirt, shirt, some socks.
Speaker C:Well, well, I was going to say, you know, one of the little tricks that we learned over here was to put tin foils.
Speaker C:This is not a gift thing, but this is like maybe you guys do this over in the States.
Speaker C:Tinfoil toes.
Speaker C:So you put tin foil over your socks before you put them into your cycling shoes.
Speaker C:Your toes try and stay nice and warm and they don't get too wet, you know, from the dry shoes.
Speaker C:And then the other thing is, if you don't have fleece lined bibs, we take, we get a lot of free newspapers over here.
Speaker C:So you take the free newspaper and you plop it down inside your top so that when you stop for coffee, you take the wet newspaper out because you've gotten really wet, because you're sweating with all your layers on.
Speaker C:Take it out and your clothes are dry.
Speaker C:And the final tip I'll give you girls because I think you really will enjoy this is, you know those, like waffles that you can get, and they're really hard, but if you, if you pop them onto the top of your coffee cup, when you stop for your coffee, they kind of melt.
Speaker C:But an extra tip is to put them into a little bit of tinfoil, tuck them inside your bib, inside your shorts, maybe like somewhere in your torso.
Speaker C:And when you go for the coffee, they're already melted.
Speaker C:They're so good.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker B:UK athletes are more tough, right?
Speaker A:We're like, we're like, what?
Speaker C:I'm Irish, so I'm even tougher.
Speaker B:I will say that we always did plastic bags, which I think, yeah, most of the other world, the rest of the world is not doing plastic bags anymore, but here we still find them.
Speaker C:So it's my toes.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:Put them on our toes as well as the.
Speaker A:So what we're getting is that you should give someone tin foil and plastic bags and treats and paper and newspapers.
Speaker C:Sustainability in triathlon.
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker C:There's the product for next week.
Speaker B:It is a good point, though.
Speaker B:There are, there are other things, other ways to be warm.
Speaker A:There are.
Speaker A:Or you just buy like 200 bib tights and they last forever.
Speaker C:Like my, my Wahoo treadmill didn't arrive either, by the way.
Speaker C:Kelly just thought I'd mention that, you know, that that was the other big gift last week we were talking about.
Speaker C:See the indoor, the treadmill.
Speaker C:You know, Kelly recommended, you know, getting the Wahoo one.
Speaker A:I, yeah, I have a lot of recommendations for you.
Speaker A:We also, we also are running a feisty, strong club that'll start in January that you could sign up for right now and get your get a whole home gym set up.
Speaker A:See, these are things you can put on your Christmas list.
Speaker A:Yeah.
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