Welcome to part 4 of the How To Heal series. In this episode about radical listening, you’ll learn strategies for listening more carefully and trusting your intuition and inner wisdom so that you can build a better relationship with your core self.
You’ll Learn:
The closer you move to your authentic, core self, the more content you will feel. This truest version of you feels peace no matter what is happening.
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Healing is really about wanting to feel better. To feel freedom, joy, gratitude, peace, safety, and calm. To be kinder to yourself, become a good friend to yourself, notice your patterns, and make small changes to influence them. Those are our goals here.
As my mentor, Martha Beck, says, “Your true nature, the part of you that always remembers what it is meant to be and never stops trying to be what it is, no matter what happens to her. Your birthright is to feel peace and joy and gratitude and love. And in your core, you carry all of that.”
The goal of radical listening is to find your inner guidance to move away from the patterns that you've created to protect you from pain and toward new patterns that help you get what you actually want.
We all have patterns in ways that we think, feel, and act. We need to look at them and ask ourselves where they’re coming from. Are you trying to avoid pain? Are these patterns protecting you, or are they sabotaging you because you don’t think you’re worthy of feeling freedom, love, peace, and joy?
The statements we’re working with as we learn to radically listen are:
I will listen to my needs and wants and see those as valid and important.
I will listen to my intuition and trust my inner wisdom.
When you practice radical listening, you are having a conversation with yourself. But who are you talking to? In his book No Bad Parts, Richard Schwartz outlines four parts that live within each of us:
Your Inner Child
You may have wounds or patterns that you developed in childhood. These were really important to you as a kid, but they might not be necessary now. These wounds are often based on attachment or authenticity.
Perhaps you were conditioned in childhood to believe that you don’t matter or that your needs aren’t important. Or your need for security and attachment wasn’t met, so you didn’t feel safe. You may have been told all sorts of negative things about yourself. Or you were taught that you had to look or perform a certain way in order to be loved, valued, and accepted.
For example, I grew up in a household where it often felt like there wasn’t a grown up. As a result, I developed patterns of hypervigilance, overthinking, overplanning, overstructuring, and then getting easily dysregulated when things weren't going to my plan. Now that I am the adult, I’ve had to teach myself (and my inner child) that I am safe. The grown-ups are here.
Were you taught that your value depended on your grades, performance in sports, or how nice you were? Did you hear that you were dumb, ugly, mean, selfish, lazy, rude, or a problem? What messages did you hear in childhood that you might still be acting out today?
Maybe it’s time to look at those messages and examine them. Where’s the evidence?
Your Pain
Our wounds and patterns can also come from culture - religion, materialism or consumerism, racism, or other social problems that make it hard for us to feel safe, free, and loved.
When you start to look more closely at your patterns, you might see that they are your protectors. They’re there to prevent pain. To keep you safe and stable. But these protectors are in what I call “fix it” energy. These patterns are trying to manage the narrative, manage the moment, and perform.
On the other side of the coin, we have patterns with “fuck it” energy. This often happens when we get overwhelmed. You say, “Fuck it. I don’t care anymore,” and you sabotage all the work that you’ve done.
Your Essential Self
This is where it gets good! You have a bunch of dreams and goals and wishes, and they need to be heard.
There are beautiful seeds inside your core self that want to be expressed and shown - things that make you super happy, ways that you feel joy, ways that you feel purpose, ways that you feel love and express love.
You already have all of that in you. What you want to start doing is listening to your core self and figuring out how she can feel more safe to express those parts of her.
Sometimes, a seed can get buried too deep, so it doesn’t receive the light that it needs to sprout and grow. So a part of listening to those dreams and goals that we’ve buried is figuring out how to bring them into the light. How can we get them closer to the surface so that we can cultivate them?
A Future You
There’s an exercise I often do where I imagine myself in the future - 5 years from now, 10 years from now, on my 50th birthday, etc.. Visualize a future you, and ask yourself the following questions:
You don’t have to know how you’re going to get there. It’s a way to help you get more clear on what you actually want. If you were in a perfect unicorn-magic-wand world, what would you create?
Your relationship with yourself doesn’t need to be a toxic one. It can be very beautiful and loving. Let’s get to know ourselves and then grow into who we want to become.
Pay attention. Think about it. You can't get to know someone if you don't pay attention to them and listen to them. Look at yourself and notice being aware.
Notice. Notice if something doesn’t feel good or right to you. Notice what you don’t like and what you do like. Notice your pain and your delight. When do you feel joy? When do you feel present and content? When do you feel purposeful, like you have meaning?
Look for patterns. Look for thoughts that hold you back. Look at behaviors that are blocking you from getting what you want or helping you avoid pain. Look at the feelings that you have in any given situation. When you look more closely at how you think and feel and act, you will start to notice patterns, and you can start to get curious about those patterns.
Some patterns you might notice include making promises to yourself and breaking them, feeling out of control, having extreme reactions, feeling disconnected or distracted, doing a lot of people pleasing, struggling to tune into your own needs, feeling overwhelmed and unable to cope with your feelings, using buffering behaviors, feeling jealous or insecure in relationships, or being judgmental.
We all have our own patterns for our own reasons. We don’t need to judge our patterns (and not all of them are necessarily wrong). We’re being kind to ourselves and being honest about what we’re doing. Then, you can get curious about why you developed that pattern in the first place. Is there another way you can get that need met? Is there a way you can heal that pain so that you don’t need this pattern anymore?
Practice compassionate listening. Radical listening doesn’t mean harsh. It's listening with unconditional love, unconditional acceptance, and deep, profound curiosity.
Ask really good questions. Journaling or a spiritual practice like prayer can be really helpful here. Ask yourself questions and then answer them or imagine your divine being answering them.
Here are some examples to try:
I love this last question because it can help you find your wisdom with a very small (or no) tweak. You might not have to work so hard to get what you want. I could just be available to you with one small shift of believing you already have it.
Through radical listening, you are becoming the best friend that you've always longed for, the intimate partner that you've always dreamed about, the perfect parent that you wish you would have had. You are building a deep relationship with love, acceptance, and safety within yourself.
The essential self in you is completely capable of getting you all of the joy, peace, love, hope, gratitude, purpose, meaning, safety, and everything that your heart desires.
And I promise you that she is unstoppable.
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Welcome back to become a calm mama. I'm your host. I'm Darlene
Speaker:Childress. I'm a life and parenting coach. And on the
Speaker:podcast, we have been working through a series that I've called how
Speaker:to heal, and I've been walking you through what I'm
Speaker:calling the hierarchy of healing. This is a six
Speaker:part series. This is gonna be episode four. So if you haven't
Speaker:listened to the other ones, you may wanna go back and
Speaker:listen to radical self love, radical trust,
Speaker:radical honesty. This is radical listening.
Speaker:And I recommend you do that because, really, each of
Speaker:the parts of the hierarchy of healing sort
Speaker:of require the previous pieces
Speaker:in place. So for example, if I wanna heal
Speaker:from a negative pattern of yelling at my kids
Speaker:or overeating or hyper productivity
Speaker:or people pleasing or any of those things, I'm gonna need to
Speaker:start from a premise, from a foundation of self
Speaker:love. If I use shame as a whip
Speaker:or self hatred or self loathing as a
Speaker:tool to get me to change my behavior, I'm
Speaker:not gonna experience the freedom and the wholeness
Speaker:that healing brings because I'm really just masking
Speaker:pain. And I'm using self loathing or self
Speaker:hatred to get me to act better.
Speaker:None of us really wanna act better. What we really want is to feel
Speaker:better. Right? We wanna feel freedom. We wanna feel joy. We
Speaker:wanna feel gratitude. We wanna feel peace. We wanna
Speaker:feel calm. We wanna feel security and safety
Speaker:inside of ourselves kinda no matter what's happening. We wanna feel present.
Speaker:That's really what healing is, and we can't really
Speaker:heal from something unless we start from that belief that
Speaker:I'm good enough. I'm worthy. I'm lovable. I'm enough.
Speaker:Then from there, I can start to practice feeling safe with myself.
Speaker:Alright. I'm gonna tell you some things, darling. And in this
Speaker:process, I need you to trust I need to trust that you're not gonna hurt
Speaker:me. I need to trust that you're gonna be kind. I need to
Speaker:trust that you have my back. That's why trust
Speaker:is this secondary requirement in the hierarchies. We start
Speaker:with self love, we go to trust, and then we go to honesty. Right?
Speaker:Because I need to be honest with myself
Speaker:about my pain or about my patterns that are there
Speaker:to either prevent pain or to cope with pain.
Speaker:I won't be honest and look at those if I don't feel loved
Speaker:and safe. So that's why we have to feel loved. We have to feel safe.
Speaker:Then we have to be honest. Now this episode is all about listening.
Speaker:The conversation that you're having with yourself is
Speaker:really this kind of core self, the the one that's enough, the
Speaker:one that is loved, the one that that is beautiful, the one that is
Speaker:perfect, having a conversation with the parts of you
Speaker:that show up in a way that you don't love anymore. Like, you love
Speaker:yourself, but you don't like the way that you're acting, And you don't like
Speaker:the way you're feeling, and you don't like your thinking. You're stinking
Speaker:thinking. So you want to find a way to
Speaker:heal and come together and change some
Speaker:of these negative patterns. So we look
Speaker:like I'm honest with myself, and then I listen to myself all with
Speaker:that foundation of I trust myself. I'm safe with myself. I
Speaker:love myself. So these key pieces
Speaker:of love, trust, honesty, and
Speaker:listening all go together, and I've broken them down in
Speaker:these episodes. So today is all about listening.
Speaker:Now remember the series, the goal of this series is that I want
Speaker:you to learn to be kinder to yourself. Wouldn't that be nice? Just
Speaker:that. It's like, why do we have to be so mean? Especially as women,
Speaker:we're constantly our inner critic, our inner monologue
Speaker:is on fire. It's just kind of like this, you know, this
Speaker:buzz of negativity that goes on inside of us. And it's just such a
Speaker:waste, a waste of your beauty, a waste of your productivity, a waste of
Speaker:your contribution, a waste of your own peace. I don't care how you act towards
Speaker:others or, like, what you'd show up in the world. I want you to feel
Speaker:better inside. So we're gonna be kinder to ourselves,
Speaker:making friends with our thoughts and feelings. So getting to know
Speaker:yourself, becoming a good friend to yourself, and
Speaker:being curious about your thoughts and your feelings.
Speaker:Noticing your patterns and your strategies that don't work for you anymore.
Speaker:So if you have a behavior, like, not yelling at your kids
Speaker:anymore or whatever the behavior is that you don't wanna
Speaker:do anymore, like, I don't wanna, get angry or
Speaker:feel insecure and then start to criticize my husband. Right? That's
Speaker:a pattern that I have, and I don't wanna do that
Speaker:anymore. Right? So I'm, like, gonna take a look at that pattern
Speaker:and decide I don't wanna criticize him anymore. So I need to get curious. I
Speaker:need to, you know, be honest with myself. I'm doing it. And then I need
Speaker:to listen and figure out why am I doing that. And then I wanna
Speaker:make small changes. So these are our goals. Be kinder to yourself, make
Speaker:friends with your thoughts and feelings, notice your patterns and strategies
Speaker:that don't work for you anymore, and make small changes that
Speaker:influence those patterns. And that's what we're doing in this how to heal
Speaker:series is we're healing your relationship
Speaker:with yourself so that you can shift and change
Speaker:and become more whole. Right? Healing is really the
Speaker:process of something is wounded and it
Speaker:gets healed. Today, we're talking about radical
Speaker:listening. So the core sentence or the main mantra
Speaker:of this topic is I will listen to
Speaker:my needs and wants and see those as valid and
Speaker:important. I will listen to my intuition and
Speaker:trust my inner wisdom. That's what I'm hoping for
Speaker:you by listening to this episode that you will learn
Speaker:how to listen more carefully to yourself. Notice your
Speaker:needs. Notice your wants. Notice your powder patterns.
Speaker:Validate yourself. See your needs as important. Listen to
Speaker:yourself. Trust your intuition. Trust your inner wisdom. The
Speaker:goal of radical listening is really, like I said, to build a
Speaker:better relationship with yourself. By
Speaker:yourself, I mean your essential self, your core self, that
Speaker:thing I talked about in radical self love, the essential
Speaker:being inside of you. Martha Beck says, your true nature, the part
Speaker:of you that always remembers what it is meant to be and never
Speaker:stops trying to be what it is, no matter what happens to
Speaker:her. Your birthright is to feel peace and
Speaker:joy and gratitude and love. And in your core, you
Speaker:carry all of that. We wanna tap into that
Speaker:and let help you live more and more deeply
Speaker:in your inner wisdom, inner inner self.
Speaker:So the goal if the radical listening is to find your
Speaker:inner guidance to move away from the patterns
Speaker:that you've created to protect you from pain or
Speaker:sabotage you from getting what you want. Because we
Speaker:all have these patterns of behavior And
Speaker:looking at those patterns either of how we act, how we think, or how
Speaker:we feel, those are these patterns we have. So we need to,
Speaker:like, look at them and see, okay, are these
Speaker:are these patterns that I have? Are they coming from a way to
Speaker:avoid pain? Are they protecting me from pain
Speaker:or sabotage a moment because maybe we don't think we're worthy of
Speaker:feeling freedom and love and peace and joy and all of those things?
Speaker:I want you to move closer to that authentic self,
Speaker:that core self, the one that feels peace no matter what's
Speaker:happening. Because the closer you are to your essential self, the more
Speaker:content you will feel. So all we're doing in this
Speaker:episode is we're tapping in to
Speaker:you and learning about you
Speaker:from that loving place, from that safe place.
Speaker:And when you're loved and safe, you can be honest.
Speaker:So you're kinda having this conversation about your thoughts and
Speaker:feelings, and you're, like, talking to yourself. So you're being honest, you're
Speaker:revealing things, and then you're listening to
Speaker:what is revealed and asking really good questions and getting really
Speaker:curious because your goal is to get to know yourself,
Speaker:your core self. So that's what today really is, like, looking
Speaker:for patterns. Who are you
Speaker:listening to if you're in this conversation? Right? Your
Speaker:core self is listening to who? I
Speaker:love the work of Dick Schwartz who wrote the book no
Speaker:bad parts. He's the founder of Internal Family
Speaker:Systems. It's a funny name because you think it's
Speaker:about, like, family dynamics, like your parents and your siblings,
Speaker:but, actually, it's your family system within yourself.
Speaker:So he has these different ways that he describes the
Speaker:parts that are living within ourselves. The first one I wanna
Speaker:talk about is your inner child. You've heard this phrase before.
Speaker:Essentially, I wanna think about it in terms of childhood
Speaker:wounds, childhood patterns that got established
Speaker:that maybe were really, really important to you back when you
Speaker:were a kid, but maybe aren't as necessary now.
Speaker:So he says, like, when you were young, you experienced
Speaker:traumas or attachment injuries. You were like a child, so
Speaker:you didn't know how to protect yourself or what to do about it. And so
Speaker:you might have, you know, created patterns
Speaker:to protect yourself or to
Speaker:soothe yourself in childhood that you no longer
Speaker:need. An example of this in my life is that because my
Speaker:mom was clinically depressed and untreated,
Speaker:she did not take any medication. She wasn't even not
Speaker:diagnosed until I was 18 years old, but the
Speaker:depression kept her really, like, on the couch, not doing
Speaker:things. She also, I'm pretty sure, had ADHD,
Speaker:and so she really didn't have a lot of order. So, like, the dishes
Speaker:weren't done. The laundry wasn't done. You know, the school paperwork
Speaker:wasn't filled out. I I I she had this, like, basket
Speaker:where you could put things we were really poor. So things that were,
Speaker:like, torn or buttons that were off, you'd put them in the basket.
Speaker:And then, like, I think, conceptually, she would fix them and then give them back
Speaker:to us. But they never got fixed, and so I would just put my
Speaker:clothes in this little basket, and I would never see them again. Also, just
Speaker:she was irresponsible with money, with decisions, with time.
Speaker:There was a lot of times where I felt like there were no grown ups
Speaker:in the room. So I over overgrown up.
Speaker:I became uber responsible, uber organized,
Speaker:you know, overthinking, ruminating, planning,
Speaker:really trying to make sure that every I was dotted and
Speaker:every t was crossed. And I took that into
Speaker:my adult life and was, like, really tight with the
Speaker:schedule with the kids or when plans changed, and I felt very
Speaker:overwhelmed. I didn't know how to pivot. I didn't know how to feel ease. I
Speaker:didn't know if something was going wrong. It
Speaker:really activated my nervous system because I was like, oh my god.
Speaker:There's no grown ups here, and no one's gonna help. And I would
Speaker:feel very overwhelmed and very triggered very easily.
Speaker:That hypervigilance, that dysregulated nervous
Speaker:system, those are patterns from childhood
Speaker:that I needed then because honestly, there was no one paying
Speaker:attention to me. But now I'm an adult and
Speaker:I get to pay attention to me. I have to
Speaker:teach that inner child that
Speaker:pattern of hypervigilance, overthinking,
Speaker:overplanning, overstructuring, and then getting easily dysregulated
Speaker:when things weren't going to my plan. I have to teach her, hey,
Speaker:girl. You're safe. I'm
Speaker:here. The grown ups are here. You are a grown up.
Speaker:You're okay. And that has become really, really
Speaker:important for me. So Dick Schwartz really talks about how
Speaker:sometimes we get put into a parentified place, and then we carry
Speaker:that intense burden of responsibility. So that's
Speaker:true for me. So for some people, you may have been conditioned in
Speaker:childhood that you're you don't matter. You your needs
Speaker:aren't important. Kit children are better seen than
Speaker:heard. Right? And you might not have felt listened to or
Speaker:validated, or you might been told that you were a problem, that you were dumb,
Speaker:that you were ugly, that you were mean, that you were selfish, that you were
Speaker:entitled. Now you have a negative self-concept. Maybe you
Speaker:were told you only only matters what you look like or how
Speaker:you perform, and you're disconnected from your authentic
Speaker:essential self because you think you have to perform or look a
Speaker:certain way in order to be loved and valued and accepted. So sometimes
Speaker:our need for attachment, our need for security
Speaker:isn't met as a child, so we don't feel safe. That was primarily
Speaker:true for me. And then sometimes our need for
Speaker:authenticity, our need to be validated for who we
Speaker:are at our core isn't acknowledged or given
Speaker:to us as children. And so our wounds are often based on
Speaker:attachment or authenticity. So you're looking for
Speaker:these patterns that maybe came
Speaker:from your childhood, and you're wanting to listen. Now I want
Speaker:you to think about what could have been my wounds as a child.
Speaker:Was I parentified? Was I taught that my needs weren't important?
Speaker:Was I taught that my value is based on how I looked or what I
Speaker:did or how I performed, my grades, how did I did in sports,
Speaker:how nice I was to everybody in the room. Right? Was I given a
Speaker:negative self-concept? Somewhere along the way, did I decide or did I hear
Speaker:enough times that I was dumb, ugly,
Speaker:mean, a problem, selfish, entitled, lazy,
Speaker:rude. What did you hear? What were the messages that you heard in
Speaker:childhood? Maybe you are acting from those messages. Maybe we need to look at
Speaker:those messages and examine them. Are you dumb? What's the
Speaker:evidence of that? What are you basing that thought and that
Speaker:belief system on today? And we wanna examine it. So we kinda have
Speaker:to look at it. We have to listen to the answers. So you're
Speaker:listening for your inner child. I also think sometimes it's not wounds from
Speaker:childhood. Sometimes our pain is wounds from culture. It could be
Speaker:wounds wounds from religion. It could be wounds from materialism and
Speaker:consumerism in our society. It could be from racism. It could be
Speaker:from it could be from a variety of social
Speaker:problems that exist that make it hard for us to feel
Speaker:safe and feel free and feel loved. And when we
Speaker:then look at our patterns, we can see that we have
Speaker:protectors, parts that prevent pain. Sometimes I
Speaker:call that the fix it energy. They keep us safe. They keep us
Speaker:stable. They avoid chaos unless chaos feels safe, and then
Speaker:they create chaos. We have these protectors that
Speaker:are really kind of in a fix it energy trying to, like, manage the
Speaker:narrative and manage the moment and perform. Then we also
Speaker:have the fuck it's, which are the parts of us that deal with the
Speaker:emergencies, and we give up all of those other strategies. And we're
Speaker:like, fuck it. I'm just gonna eat. Fuck it. I'm just gonna ignore my kids.
Speaker:Fuck it. I'm just gonna watch TV all day. Whatever. I'm not judging those
Speaker:behaviors, but I I'm saying that we have kind of this fix it
Speaker:energy sometimes, and then we have this fuck it energy sometimes. And you wanna just
Speaker:look at, like, wow. Am I in a hyper controlling, hyper productive
Speaker:way? Or am I in a chaotic,
Speaker:overwhelmed, give up, give in space?
Speaker:I don't know for you, but for me, I kind of vacillate. Usually, I stay
Speaker:in fix it energy. That's kind of the way my pain shows up. But
Speaker:there's times when I get so overwhelmed that I go into fuck
Speaker:it. And I'm just like, forget it. I don't even care anymore. And then
Speaker:I sabotage all of the work that I've done. And I think that
Speaker:comes back to, like, core woundedness of feeling unsafe and
Speaker:unlovable. A lot going on in this episode.
Speaker:So we're listening to our inner child. We're listening to our pain. We're listening to
Speaker:our essential self. So this is where it gets fun and yummy and good.
Speaker:You have a bunch of dreams and goals
Speaker:and wishes, and they need to be heard.
Speaker:Right? If you think about a seed that is planted,
Speaker:right, you already have a bunch of beautiful seeds that are
Speaker:inside your core self, things that wanna be expressed, things that wanna be
Speaker:shown, things that make you super happy, ways that you feel joy,
Speaker:ways that you feel purpose, ways that you feel love, ways you
Speaker:express love. You already have all that in you.
Speaker:And what we wanna start doing is listening to her and figuring
Speaker:out how she can feel more safe to
Speaker:express those parts of her. I remember one
Speaker:time a long time ago, actually, I was doing, like, goal
Speaker:work. This was when the kids were little. And I remember thinking my
Speaker:goal was to consider learning how to
Speaker:knit. I didn't wanna make a goal of learning how to
Speaker:knit because I wasn't sure if I would even like it. So I made
Speaker:a goal to figure out if I would like it because I didn't wanna put
Speaker:that fix it energy. Like, here's my goal and then and then go fuck it.
Speaker:I don't care. And I didn't wanna do that. I was like, I'm just gonna
Speaker:be curious. What do I like? So that's what we're trying to find is, like,
Speaker:your essential self has all these seeds inside of
Speaker:her, these dreams and these goals. Now sometimes seeds,
Speaker:if you think about a garden, a seed can get
Speaker:buried too deep and it doesn't receive
Speaker:any of the light that it needs to
Speaker:sprout and grow. And I know this is true because I
Speaker:tried to garden. I've dabbled in that. I've decided I don't like it,
Speaker:and I'm not gonna try anymore. So there's that. I do grow
Speaker:strawberries and blueberries, but they kind of berries do their own thing.
Speaker:Though I did, like, the whole garden box and tried all the things
Speaker:and just realized, like, it's too frustrating to me most pretty
Speaker:much. But in the process, I was sprouting seeds.
Speaker:And if you sprout a seed and you push it too far
Speaker:down, it won't actually shoot up through the
Speaker:soil because it needs the light to grow. And if
Speaker:it's too far down, it doesn't get the light. So sometimes our
Speaker:seeds of our essential self are buried. We're trying to listen
Speaker:to those and figure out how to get those
Speaker:to the light, bring them up a little bit closer to the surface so that
Speaker:we can cultivate them. Some of you already know your goals and dreams, and you
Speaker:just haven't put enough fertilizer, enough water. You
Speaker:haven't given enough sunshine. You've hidden it. And I wanna
Speaker:help you discover those goals and dreams and then find out how
Speaker:to actualize them. So we're listening to our
Speaker:inner child. We're listening to our pain. We're listening to our essential
Speaker:self. And sometimes we're listening to a future you.
Speaker:So I like to do this exercise a lot where I
Speaker:imagine myself in the future, five years from now,
Speaker:ten years from now, or one year from now, or on my fiftieth birthday.
Speaker:And I think about how do I wanna feel? What do I wanna be
Speaker:doing? What do I want my habits to look like? What patterns do I wanna
Speaker:have healed from? And I don't need to know how I get
Speaker:there. I just kinda wanna know what I want. What is
Speaker:it that I want in a perfect unicorn magic
Speaker:wand world? What would I create? So we're
Speaker:listening to our pain and we're listening
Speaker:to our future. So we're listening to our past self that
Speaker:got hurt and that has protection. And then we're listening to
Speaker:our future self and what she wants and who
Speaker:she's becoming, all in line with our
Speaker:core essential self. So that's who you're listening to. Why should you even
Speaker:do this? Right? It's because you can't get to know someone
Speaker:if you don't pay attention to them, listening to them, finding out what's going
Speaker:on. You're in a relationship with yourself, and it's can be a very
Speaker:beautiful relationship. It doesn't need to be a toxic relationship.
Speaker:I think that if you were in a relationship with someone
Speaker:who treated you like you treat you, you would probably break up
Speaker:with them. And some of you try to break up with yourself by
Speaker:avoiding your pain, not taking a look at it, hating
Speaker:yourself. Let's not do that anymore. Instead,
Speaker:let's be loving and kind and get to know ourselves and then
Speaker:grow into who we want to become. Okay.
Speaker:So how do we do it? How do you listen? The
Speaker:first is the just paying attention. It's going back to
Speaker:that honesty thing. It's like taking a look at
Speaker:yourself and noticing being aware.
Speaker:There's a lot of things in self help and in healing and
Speaker:in psychology that are all around awareness. It's like one of the
Speaker:benefits of meditation is you become aware of
Speaker:your thoughts and of your patterns. Right? Because you're in a
Speaker:trying to be still and be present in the moment, and then you notice
Speaker:your monkey mind, and it moves all around. Just pay attention, but
Speaker:you can't do it, like I said, if you don't love yourself and if you
Speaker:don't feel safe. What are you looking at? You're looking at stuff you don't
Speaker:like, maybe stuff you don't like the way you're being treated, the way your kids
Speaker:are behaving, the way that you your spouse is behaving, the
Speaker:way your boss is behaving, the way your community treats you,
Speaker:or the way that you're acting, the way that you're thinking, the way that you're
Speaker:feeling. Just noticing if something doesn't feel good or
Speaker:right to you, we don't need to figure it
Speaker:all out, but we need to get curious about it. So you're paying attention
Speaker:to yourself. You're like, that didn't feel good. I'm gonna think about
Speaker:that. I'm gonna explore that a little bit. So we're noticing what we don't like.
Speaker:We're noticing our pain, and then we're noticing what we do like.
Speaker:We're noticing our delight. We're noticing what we
Speaker:love paying attention. When do you feel joy? When do you
Speaker:feeling of lightness inside of yourself? When do you feel just
Speaker:present and content? When do you
Speaker:feel happy? When do you feel purposeful? When do you
Speaker:feel like you have meaning? What are your favorite things to do?
Speaker:Think about taking yourself out on a third date. Like, you would
Speaker:wanna get to know, hey. What makes this person tick?
Speaker:That's what you're paying attention to, and you're being very curious.
Speaker:So we're paying attention. We're being curious, just truly, like, wanting to
Speaker:get to know yourself. And then looking for patterns,
Speaker:looking for the thoughts that hold you back. Look at the
Speaker:behaviors that are blocking you from getting what you want or helping you avoid
Speaker:pain. Looking at the feelings that you have
Speaker:in any given situation. Are you overwhelmed? Are you frustrated?
Speaker:Are you rageful? Are you hurt? Do you feel lonely? Do you
Speaker:feel sad? When you are looking at how
Speaker:you think and feel and act, you will start to notice those
Speaker:patterns and you can start to get curious about those patterns.
Speaker:So some patterns that you might be noticing, making promises
Speaker:to yourself and breaking them, feeling out of control,
Speaker:having extreme reactions like that mad mama
Speaker:syndrome, feeling disconnected or distracted, not
Speaker:feeling present, noticing that
Speaker:mean inner critic, that inner monologue, doing
Speaker:a lot of people pleasing, difficulty tuning into your own needs
Speaker:or not feeling entitled to take care of yourself, very difficult for
Speaker:moms. Having trouble expressing what you want, feeling
Speaker:overwhelmed and stressed and unable to cope with feelings,
Speaker:buffering behaviors, behaviors that avoid that
Speaker:pain. One of the ways that I'm exploring buffering right
Speaker:now is I've done a shopping ban, particularly for
Speaker:clothes, because I noticed that one of the ways that I protect
Speaker:myself or avoid pain is
Speaker:by buying things to put on my body,
Speaker:almost like a shield or to say I belong, to say I'm
Speaker:safe, to say I matter. And I want to explore
Speaker:not doing that, not buying those clothes, and finding out if
Speaker:I can find the feeling of belonging and safety and worthiness
Speaker:without adding anything extra. So buffering is
Speaker:when we do things to avoid pain or do things to
Speaker:get a feeling. It's not necessarily bad, but
Speaker:you wanna get curious. Do I need this pattern? Also notice that you
Speaker:have jealousy or insecurity in relationships. I think whenever I'm
Speaker:jealous of someone, instead of judging myself
Speaker:or making them wrong, like, oh, well, you know, she's a bitch anyways. I don't
Speaker:know. Thinking negative thoughts about that person. I get curious and
Speaker:I'm like, why do I want what I perceive them to
Speaker:have? What is the feeling that I think they have that I don't have?
Speaker:What is the essential need that I see in them that I
Speaker:wish I had? Then I look and I say, do I already have that? Or
Speaker:can I get that in another way? Jealousy and envy
Speaker:are interesting patterns because they help reveal something that
Speaker:you want. Not the thing, not the
Speaker:money or the funny husband or the
Speaker:beautiful house or the pretty hair. Not
Speaker:those things, but you are looking at what you
Speaker:make those things mean that that person has that you don't
Speaker:have. And you get curious about them. So looking at
Speaker:your jealousy and your insecurity, and that's a pattern.
Speaker:Asking for advice, some people crowdsource every decision. And if
Speaker:you're doing that, that means that you don't feel safe. You
Speaker:don't trust your wisdom. I'm not saying don't ask for advice. I just
Speaker:think, you know, sometimes you can see if it's a pattern where you're
Speaker:constantly asking many, many people for advice, or there's just one person you feel like
Speaker:you can't make a decision until you talk to them. That might be
Speaker:something to get curious about. All of these patterns
Speaker:are not necessarily wrong. We're not
Speaker:judging the pattern. We're being
Speaker:honest about it. We're being nice to ourselves. We're
Speaker:trusting ourselves if we're doing the pattern to protect
Speaker:or soothe or prevent pain.
Speaker:Great. Good job. I'm glad you found a pattern that works for you.
Speaker:Now we have to ask, is there another way you can get that need
Speaker:met? Is there a way we can heal that
Speaker:pain so that you don't need this pattern anymore?
Speaker:That's what we're doing. We're being really curious
Speaker:and from that foundation of love and honesty and trust.
Speaker:So this process that you're going through, right, is curious.
Speaker:And then you're practicing compassionate listening. So first,
Speaker:we're curious, just finding out what the heck is going on, being
Speaker:really honest, really curious, listening, what
Speaker:is going on? Then we practice compassionate
Speaker:listening. I love the concept of compassionate
Speaker:listening. It's listening with unconditional love,
Speaker:unconditional acceptance, and deep, profound
Speaker:curiosity. So when you are listening to
Speaker:yourself, we have that foundation of love, that foundation of
Speaker:trust. Now we're gonna get really curious. We're gonna
Speaker:ask really, really good questions.
Speaker:The process of listening, right, is we're being curious, we're being compassionate, we're
Speaker:listening really closely, and then we're asking really good
Speaker:questions. I find that it's really important for
Speaker:me to journal these questions and these answers
Speaker:to explore myself because I can't do that
Speaker:reflective listening and ask the next question unless I'm
Speaker:doing a journal entry for me. But I do
Speaker:find that I can do this sometimes with a very good
Speaker:listener who asks me really good questions.
Speaker:So my best friend, Tiffany, does this. I have some dear
Speaker:friends, my friend, Kristen Kristen Kristen, all the Kristins in my
Speaker:life. Kevin will do this sometimes. He's not
Speaker:great at asking good questions, but he's really good at
Speaker:letting me process my own questions with
Speaker:him. So I find that I have found a few people who
Speaker:let me do this. Some people and I think I used to do this. I
Speaker:did this in prayer. So I was like, it having a
Speaker:conversation with God and letting
Speaker:sort of the god within I didn't think of it that way. I thought of,
Speaker:like, literally god asking me these questions. And
Speaker:so if you have, like, a spiritual practice, you can do it with
Speaker:that. Like, ask Alex,
Speaker:imagining that the divine being that you
Speaker:worship or that you follow is asking you
Speaker:these questions, if that makes sense. So what
Speaker:are these good questions? K? First,
Speaker:I like to just start with a circumstance. Like, what happened? What are you bothered
Speaker:by? Like, I buy a lot of clothes or I really hate gardening
Speaker:or I really wish I could garden, or I'm so jealous that my friend
Speaker:has a job and I don't have one, or I really wish that I
Speaker:had more money, or, man, I really don't like that my
Speaker:kid is being so you know, call saying I hate you, or
Speaker:I really don't like that I took this thing out on my husband.
Speaker:Whatever the thing is that's going on, kinda narrating that.
Speaker:So we kinda start with, like, what the heck are you even talking about?
Speaker:And then what are my thoughts about it? What do I think about
Speaker:this circumstance? And doing, like, a thought dump
Speaker:where you just kind of free flow whatever you're thinking.
Speaker:For me, I broke my shopping ban this week,
Speaker:and I was like, okay. That's how that happened.
Speaker:Okay. Let's get curious about it. Why did I purchase that? What
Speaker:was I thinking? What happened? What was my reason for doing
Speaker:it? So I started doing the questions. What are my thoughts about it?
Speaker:Do I think it's wrong? Do I think it's right? How am I justifying it?
Speaker:What do I feel about it? What do I think about it?
Speaker:Then what am I making this mean? That's one of the best questions you
Speaker:can ask is what am I making this behavior mean?
Speaker:What am I making this circumstance mean? So if it's my kid
Speaker:saying I hate you, I'm thinking I'm a bad mom. I'm thinking that they're
Speaker:not a nice person. I'm thinking I've made a mistake and a mistake parenting
Speaker:them. I'm thinking that they are gonna become
Speaker:a psychopath. I'm thinking that whatever. Right? We can start
Speaker:to be honest about what we're making that mean. What do we
Speaker:make it mean about ourselves? What do we make it mean about them?
Speaker:What do we make it about the future? What do we make it mean about
Speaker:the past? Also going and saying, like, well, what are the
Speaker:facts? What is the facts about this thing? What happened?
Speaker:And then what is the story I'm telling about these facts? That's another
Speaker:way to figure out what am I making it mean. What's the story I'm
Speaker:telling? So you're trying to separate the thing
Speaker:that happened with your thoughts about it. That's that
Speaker:metacognition, that cognitive behavioral therapy
Speaker:is really this mindset work is recognizing
Speaker:your thoughts are separate from the circumstances.
Speaker:So we wanna be like, what are we thinking? What are we
Speaker:feeling? How do we act when we
Speaker:think that way? How do we act when we feel that
Speaker:way? What's the behavior that I
Speaker:do? Right? How do I treat myself? How do I treat my
Speaker:child? What do I do to avoid when I'm in this situation?
Speaker:How do I get out of this situation? What feeling am I
Speaker:chasing? What feeling am I avoiding? So you're just asking
Speaker:yourself, like, really, really good questions. One
Speaker:question I love is why now?
Speaker:What's happening? Why am I showing this behavior now?
Speaker:And looking at a bigger narrative? Oh, it's because I've been very
Speaker:lonely lately. Oh, it's because I stress that I'm
Speaker:traveling soon. It's, oh, because my kid went to
Speaker:kindergarten. Like, oh, it's because my husband lost his job or
Speaker:whatever the circumstances. Start to notice. Oh, maybe there's another
Speaker:pattern going on in my life that's making me feel insecure. That's making
Speaker:me feel unsafe. That's making me feel purposeless. That's making
Speaker:me feel like I don't belong. Sometimes our other circumstances
Speaker:in our life can be triggering the behavior. So getting
Speaker:really curious, like why now? What's happening? What's changed? What's coming
Speaker:up? So those are some questions to reflect
Speaker:on a situation and helping you find
Speaker:some ways to kind of explore
Speaker:what this could be. Why are you acting this way?
Speaker:Your best guess. That's it. You're just trying to figure out why am I acting
Speaker:this way. There's no right answer. Whatever your intuition,
Speaker:whatever your core self answers, that's probably the
Speaker:answer. And if it doesn't ring true, you could just be like, okay. What
Speaker:else could it be? It's this relationship with yourself.
Speaker:Another prompt I love is asking myself that magic
Speaker:wand question. Like, if I could magic wand this situation,
Speaker:what would I do? If I if there were no rules, there was no restrictions,
Speaker:I could solve this problem immediately. What would
Speaker:the solution be? And asking yourself, if I could magic wand
Speaker:this and I could fix it, what would the fix look like? That's a really
Speaker:interesting question because it kind of helps you tap into some of your wisdom and
Speaker:some of the action steps that might need to be taken. Another one that's
Speaker:kind of easier is, like, if I could change one thing about this, what would
Speaker:it be, and why would that make it better? The last question
Speaker:this is a newer question for me that I've been playing with
Speaker:in the last year or two is what if there's
Speaker:nothing wrong here? What if nothing is broken?
Speaker:What if I'm not broken? What if I'm
Speaker:not a bad person? What if I'm not a bad mom? What
Speaker:if I'm doing everything right? Instead of looking for problems
Speaker:and then finding solutions, I've been really challenging myself by
Speaker:the thought, hey. Nothing's wrong here. What
Speaker:if everything is going great? How would I
Speaker:think and feel and act if I believed that was
Speaker:true? Because then you might find your wisdom is like a very
Speaker:small tweak or no tweak. You could just live
Speaker:in the piece that you think you have to work so hard
Speaker:for. You might not have to work so hard to get there.
Speaker:It could just be available to you with one small
Speaker:shift of believing you already have it.
Speaker:The thing I'm jealous of, what if I already have it?
Speaker:The healing I'm craving, what if I already have it?
Speaker:It's an idea. It's something to try out. I've been exploring it
Speaker:and it's been very freeing and really fun to not be
Speaker:in so much like, I gotta heal from this and pain from this and just
Speaker:kinda like, what if I'm already good? What if it's already
Speaker:great? Could that be true? If it
Speaker:were true, what would I use for evidence to prove it? That's a very
Speaker:powerful question. So you can play with that one.
Speaker:The whole point is that you are listening to figure
Speaker:out how to have a better relationship with yourself.
Speaker:You are becoming the best friend
Speaker:that you've always longed for, the intimate partner
Speaker:that you've always dreamed about, the deep
Speaker:relationship with love and acceptance
Speaker:and safety, the perfect parent that you wish you
Speaker:would have had, all of those dreams
Speaker:for relationships, that's what you're creating
Speaker:within yourself. That's who you are becoming
Speaker:for you. And I promise that
Speaker:she is unstoppable. The essential
Speaker:self in you is completely capable
Speaker:of getting you all of the joy and peace and
Speaker:love and hope and gratitude and purpose and
Speaker:meaning and safety and everything
Speaker:that your heart desires, you already have everything in
Speaker:you to create that. All you have to do is discover it
Speaker:through radical listening. Alright,
Speaker:mama. I really appreciate you listening to this episode. I'd love to
Speaker:hear your feedback. Please either reach out to get a complimentary
Speaker:consultation with me. You can book right on my website,
Speaker:or you can DM me on Instagram. You can reply to an email. Just
Speaker:let me know your thoughts, your feelings, your reflections, what you're struggling
Speaker:with, what you love. Also, if you wanna do comments on Spotify
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Speaker:super cool. I'll interact with you there too. So love
Speaker:you so much. I think you are incredible, and I will talk
Speaker:to you next week.