What if your greatest challenge became the doorway to your deepest purpose?

In this empowering episode, CJ shares how she rebuilt her life after a devastating neuro-immune disease abruptly left her largely bedbound overnight. Through her GRACE Method, she offers practical and inspiring tools for rebuilding life with resilience, hope, and joy, even in life's most difficult seasons.

CJ also reflects on the impact of Sean Thomas Doherty's "Why Bother?" poem, reminding us that "right now there is someone out there with a wound in the exact shape of your words." She shares her creative side through original music, available on SoundCloud.com, and leaves listeners with a powerful reminder that even in adversity, we can choose to live joyously within the tempest.

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About the Guest:

CJ Janzen, CWO is a #1 International Best-Selling Author, international award-winning keynote speaker, Reinvention and Resilience Coach, and founder and CEO of Beyond{dis}. Known as "The Singing Speaker," she inspires others to rebuild their lives with resilience, hope, and courage through storytelling, humour, practical tools, and moments of song.

Drawing from her own experiences of overcoming life-altering challenges, CJ transformed adversity into purpose by developing her signature GRACE Method. She is also the creator and producer of {dis}ABILITIES Unleashed, championing disability visibility, inclusion, and community connection.

CJ is the recipient of the DAWN Canada Hummingbird Award for Innovation & Creativity, recognizing her leadership in advancing disability awareness and creating meaningful opportunities for empowerment and connection.

About the Host:

Rev. DeeAnne ‘Rose Hope’ Riendeau B.Msc, HADM, PIDP, NLP is a thought leader in spiritual and business development whose mission is to elevate how we think and live. Experiencing a life of chronic illness, and 2 near death experiences, DeeAnne rebounded with 20 years of health education and a diverse health career.

She is known as the modern day Willy Wonka for giving away her company Your Holistic Earth, which is the first holistic health care system of its kind. She is currently the owner of Rose Hope International, in which she helps those who are seeking more joy, love, freedom, and a deeper meaning in life using your souls library also known as the Akashic Records.

She has spoken at Harvard University, appeared on Shaw TV, Global Television, and CTV and has been recognized as a visionary and business leader having been nominated for numerous awards including Alberta Business of Distinction. Along with being an entrepreneur, DeeAnne is a mom of 2 bright kids, publisher, popular speaker and international bestselling author who uses her heart and her head to guide others to create their best life.

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WSC Intro/Outro: This is when spirit calls, and you on your journey are in the right place. This show is about magic, miracles, and meaning shared through stories, interviews, and channeled messages. We have so much to share about who you are and your divine mission here on the earth. Let's get to it. When Spirit Calls is right now.

Rev. Rose Hope: Our next guest today is the incredible CJ Janzen. CJ is a number one international bestselling author, international award-winning keynote speaker, a reinvention and resilience coach, and the founder and CEO of Beyond Dis, known as the singing speaker, CJ combines storytelling, humor, practical tools, and moments of song to create unforgettable experiences that inspire audiences to rebuild with courage and hope after a neuroimmune disease abruptly ended her career as a scuba instructor, CJ rebuilt her life using the principles that became her signature grace method: grieve what was lost, refrain with gratitude, act fearlessly, connect with community, and embrace new passion and purpose. CJ is also the creator and producer of Disabilities Unleashed and the recent recipient of the Dawn Canada Hummingbird Award for innovation and creativity, recognizing her leadership in disability visibility, inclusion, and community impact. I am so excited for you to hear CJ on today's episode. Hello, everybody. Well, welcome back to another episode of When Spirit Calls. As you know, I have some of the most incredible guests on this show, and today's guest is no exception to that. I am so grateful to welcome CJ Janzen to the house. Hello, CJ.

Hello, hello. Nice to be here.

Rev. Rose Hope: I'm so happy you're here, and you know one of the reasons I really wanted you to come on the podcast is because you have a really interesting story, and it is - there's a uniqueness to it too that I haven't heard before. So, I am so excited to give you an opportunity to share a bit about your backstory and why you have allowed yourself to kind of be led down this beautiful path into this expressing of yourself, because now you're the singing speaker, and I want to know how you got from where you were to this beautiful path that you're on now.

Oh, it started 14 years ago, minus just a few days, when I got the most wicked birthday gift ever, because something had changed within me, something was not the same, because when I woke up on my birthday, I just wasn't feeling well, and almost overnight my life went from scuba diving two to four times a day to being barely able to speak more than two to four words at a time, I went from carrying around 50 pound tanks to being about at initially 90% or so bed bound, and in a wheelchair.

Rev. Rose Hope: Wow, CJ, first of all, you singing as you're expressing your story gave me goosebumps, and I just love that you are expressing in that way, because I oftentimes will just sing stories as I'm moving through my day, and there's something I think that's really healing about that in itself, like I felt this healing energy immediately, but you're telling me that you were this active adventurous, you know, doing all these things, and then wham, you had a birthday, and literally that was it.

Yep.

Rev. Rose Hope: Can you share with us what happened there? Can you share what that was all about? Because really, that's a pretty hard knock from spirit, I would say, and not.. does it. it doesn't always have to be such a hard-hitting kind of experience, but you know, for you, tell us more about that, please.

In terms of spirit, it did need to be that hard, I think, like with many trees and plants, pruning has to take place before growth can happen in a beautiful way, and even though I was living a nearly seemingly idyllic life, I was a master instructor, scuba diving every day, living in the tropics, moving. From country to country, I was also an alcoholic, and I have been since about the age of seven. From my first drink, I was genetically predisposed, and it's.. I kind of look back at the tape, and if I hadn't have gotten sick, I wouldn't have made it to Canada, back to Canada. I wouldn't have made it through the doors of AA. If I hadn't made it through the doors of AA, I wouldn't have connected to a little tiny church that became my family. Without them, I wouldn't have gotten the treatment that I needed. I wouldn't have stayed sober. I wouldn't have learned in the rooms of AA that speaking was a gift that I had, and I learned that there were good speakers and bad speakers in the world. If I hadn't have met, met the wrong phone call and talked to a gentleman named Dave, I wouldn't have gotten sponsored into Toastmasters, which led to speaking competitions and building strength and courage to speak again, because remembering I could initially only barely speak two to four words at a time, and they were slurred and ponderous, and at the time I felt like I had no value left in life, that there was no, there was no longer any purpose or passion, and there were at the beginning many days where I was lying in bed wondering if it was worth the energy to bother taking my next breath.

Rev. Rose Hope: Ooh, can we just hold that for a moment, because that's a pretty big deal there, and I'm sure some listeners can relate in some way to the story of, oh, is it worth it? You know, I've asked myself that question a few times in my life too, like, is it worth taking the next breath, and something inside of you obviously said yes, it's worth it.

Yeah, I had the blessing and the curse of watching my mom die of cancer from the age of three to 16. I watched her fight every day to stay with us that little bit longer, to be there for us when she could. I went through a lot as a kid, and it's not.. it's relevant, but not.. we don't need to trauma dump here, but we can say I'm a me too. But it is.. it was seeing her strength and her ability to still find joy. I remember she had a poster out in front of her bed that said all this too shall pass, and at the time I hated that sign, me that was her giving up, and I have absolutely changed my perspective on that by recognizing that fighting was possible by gaining my sobriety because by the time I made it was forced back home to Canada within five days I made it through the doors of AA and you know I started processing feelings from childhood. I started getting some, you know, help, yeah, through mentorship and through other programs, recovery programs, and I started giving myself a purpose. I kind of gamified it in incense. I gave myself a single job to do every single day, manning, even though there were many days I could never leave my, my bed. I, my one thing, it was my mission impossible game, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, and Every day I had to go out into the world, either in person or online, and make one person smile. Ah, and that was my one job, and I imagined and visualized that one smile traveling around the world, because what happens is when you give that lift to someone else, there's a shift in energy, and in my mind I saw them turning around and sharing the smile, or sharing the story about how some random stranger walked up to them and gave them a compliment at how good I looked that day, or how beautiful my smile was, or just anything that I could think of, even if it was just a stupid meme that I could send to a friend to make them laugh. There was always a reason to share a smile, and that was my only job,

and I built from that one small job to starting to volunteer in the AA community, in the church community, in my local community, I started doing fundraisers for the food bank that I was having to use, you know, at the women's shelter that I ended up at. I moved into a seniors residence for eight months while I was waiting for housing to come through, and I kept finding different ways to become the mentor and to become that smile maker. I mean, living in a senior's home at 3940 I guess at that point I was 40, was absolutely hilarious, because this was pre-COVID, so every day I would go around and hug almost everybody in that dining room to make them feel loved and special and seen. I remember bending over once to hug this one lady and this guy who was 104 years old went on my bum, it's just like, and he just sank there and cheeky little bum, but it, you know, I'm no longer afraid of living in a senior's residence. I'll put it, put it to you that way. There's a lot of joy in there. There's a lot of sadness too. I lost friends, yeah, washroom, but you know, there's just.. there's just been so many connections that have happened because the spirit said you need to stop, you need to heal, so that you can shed your light in a different way. I am still missing the ocean with all of my heart. It is a big part of who and what I am, but I am able to still do something different that brings me joy, that lifts and helps others. I mean, my entire job now, I have three different hats. The first job is keynote speaking, which is why I'm called the singing speaker. You may have noticed that, and I help people rebuild their lives after a major life disruption, disability, disease, or loss. I'm also a life coach.

I'm a resilience and reinvention coach, is what I'm termed it, because those are the people I'm always turning back to that person I was 14 years ago to help them see that they are not broken, that you know that they are not a burden on society, that they still have value, you know, it really every time I talk about it, the I am brave, I am bruised, I am who I'm meant to be. This is me always comes into my head, and I really feel that that's important. And then a third hat got well, third of four hats, I guess. The third hat that came on is in June of 2024 I learned that in Canada that July is Disability Pride Month, as in I'm not ashamed of having a disability, and I went online, and I was searching and googling, and there wasn't a single event in my region, like I didn't even see much of anything in Toronto.

Wow,

and that made me really sad. Then it made me mad, and then I decided to become the change that I wanted to see in the world, and so I created a show called Disabilities Unleashed, and we've now put the show on twice, once in December, which was a whole other story of that year. It was like three months. Would you like to do this show in three months? I learned yes, but they paid for it and everything, and it was.. it was great. I put on a show in July, and I've got another show this coming December in celebration of the UN's International Day of Persons with Disabilities, and so there's just been these wonderful connections and wonderful experiences, you know, that have allowed me to have those three hats, and I'm an author, so I've got two. Co-authored books out, and a third one is in editing right now that I'm sharing space with Lisa Nichols.

Rev. Rose Hope: Awesome, brilliant,

that that is a been a big gift in my life, so that I'm excited, so that too will become an international bestselling author, thanks to Michelle, and good planning as well, good marketing, but yeah, I'm always finding new things to do. I was just awarded the Dawn Canada Hummingbird Award last, last week, I think. I think it was last week. It all seems kind of a bit of a blur, it was an early birthday present, and so they're flying me to Ottawa in June. It's just a series of amazing little events that have allowed me to help various communities, so whether that's me singing in the rainbow chorus and speaking some of my stories, or doing solos, or whether it's creating events, all of these things I'm still doing while 75% bed bound. Wow, but that's the gift of speaking, is just like now I am here, I am present, I can sparkle, even while they're done, I can turn off the lights, crawl into bed, and go to sleep.

Rev. Rose Hope: Wow, so I.. so first of all, thank you, because your perspective then you have is so exhilarating to me, because I think it's so easy to get swallowed up by the story that, like, I'm, I, I'm bed-bound, I can't do anything, and it was so inspirational to hear you talk about that one thing that you did, you had one mission every day, you had one mission, you know, to make someone smile, and how that created this ripple effect, and I think it's important to just shine light on that, because I think so many of us think that we have to like climb the mountain, but we really just need to do one thing, just take the one step, and that one step will lead to the next step, and the next step, as it did for you, and clearly spirit is working through you in how you're showing up in the world now, the fact that you still are quite bedbound, can you, you know, share with people like what it takes for you to actually be here to express and to share, and how that impacts the rest of your health the rest of the day, you know, you mentioned recently there I can turn off the lights and I can go to bed now that I've done this podcast, right? And so, is that.. is that normal? Is that like a day in the life of CJ?

Very often, I've got

about

four functional sitting up hours.

WSC Intro/Outro: Okay,

after I've been out and about for more than four hours, it's always a pay to play system, and on any given day that that changes, and so it's hard. What I can do today might be too much tomorrow, then leads to what's called post exertional malaise, which is generally painful. My sleep becomes non-restorative, and the more exhausted I get, my ability to speak slowly disappears again. Sure, you become develop aphasia, so I can have my mug in my hand, and I can't remember the word mug.

Rev. Rose Hope: Okay, okay, and so this is tied to your diagnosis. Then it is

all part of the myalgic encephalomyelitis, otherwise known as me, because after all, everything's about me.

At

least that's how I have to giggle about it. Myalgic encephalomyelitis is a neuroimmune disease that is more prevalent than MS, and yes, very little is known, like MS. You can go and get a brain scan done, they see certain things on your brain scan, they go, you have MS, right? Me is there's certain criteria that you have

to

meet, but it's, it's through exclusionary testing. Wow,

it

took two and a half years to get a diagnosis. I was dismissed constantly, gaslit, constantly, because all of my tests, except for a few inflammatory markers, came back as normal, so my inability to speak. I must have been making it up, or I had mental health issues, or I was just malingering. The doctor, when I filled out the forms to get onto a disability pension, she said, Well, I could fill out the exact same form for any of my secretaries. When I took that form to the specialist in Toronto, she read it and she got mad, and she filled it improperly. But without her having done that, I would not have gotten onto ODSP, the Ontario Disability Support Pension, and I probably would have ended up homeless, because I was in the shelter, uh, women's shelter at the time, and I only had two choices: living on the street in a wheelchair or going back into the situation I had just left. Wow, so it was um yeah, again, spirit provided,

Rev. Rose Hope: yeah, you know, what a gift, like I feel like in some ways that specialist was an angel, you know, to really take you seriously and see that there was more going on, and I just think about all those people that do get written off, you know, and I think it happens far too often, and it makes me sad, you know, to know that you know, but I just want to just pause and give you reverence, because I just think it's so incredible. Your story is remarkable to me, that you were able to go from, you know, scuba diving in the ocean, to being bedridden, to being sick, and then having to fight to get that diagnosis, so you could live, so that you could just live. And I just want to applaud your bravery, and your courage, and your willingness to keep fighting, like your mom. You know, I really feel her energy here as we're having this conversation, and she's, you know, cheering you on in such a way. It's so beautiful, you know. Out of all of this experience, CJ, you know, you've really, you know, you're one of those people that, like, I'm gonna squeeze it for all its works here, I'm gonna take what I can out of this now, and you've come up with a really interesting methodology to help people, can you share your formula, because I think it's too special to not share with our listeners,

so I, it took 13 years to figure out, but I had been sort of over the last two or three years coming up with the words that the words that I had to the steps that I had to take to get to where I am, and it wasn't easy. It wasn't easy to figure out the words, but what I ended up coming up with was the word grace, not necessarily in the sense of church, but the grace that we need to give ourselves when you know we are sometimes so hard on ourselves, we say things to ourselves that we would never say to another human being. You're fat, you're stupid, you're ugly, you're lazy, you're whatever. It's horrible, and I'm no different. I've had to really continuously work hard at silencing some of those harsh voices. So the word grace came about, which stands for G G G, what was lost. I love that G grieve what was lost. We don't realize that we can, we may have to grieve the fact that we no longer have financial security, that we've lost trust in our body. If you've ever had heart issues or cancer or something like that, all of a sudden one day you're fine, and then the next you're not, and you're counting your heartbeats, or you're listening to your chest, or you're wondering if there's something going wrong in your cells. You know you've lost trust, and that needs grieving. You may lose friends, because, like myself, you can no longer go out and play, or you have to cancel last minute because your body has said it ain't happening today. You know, you may have lost your job, your passion, and purpose, there's a lot of things to grieve, and as a person with a chronic illness, all of a sudden I face those things more often because I used to be able to go scuba diving, I call it living in the I was, you know, I was a paramedic, I was. A truck driver, I was a professional clown, I was a whole bunch of different things, but I wasn't anymore, and I didn't know who CJ is, and that was part of the rebuilding process, and until the specialist, about two and a

half years in, said, "Yes, you are sick, you have a disease, you're not crazy, you're not making this up. I couldn't fully grieve because I wasn't even sure it was real, even 14 years later, I will still push and push and push at the boundaries, and then have a really bad flare up, for lack of a better term, a crash is what I call it, and realize, nope, nope, you're still sick, but I keep trying to push that boundary because there isn't a definitive test,

Rev. Rose Hope: right, and like you said, every day is different too, so you might have all this energy one day and then the next might be totally different. I love that. Grieve what is lost, so permission to grieve everybody. Okay, give me the R

R stands for Reframe with Gratitude,

Rev. Rose Hope: Reframe with Gratitude, love

it. Okay, and that isn't make Toxic Joy. Okay, this, this is about I had to again with a lot of things start at the beginning, because in the room, one of the rooms of AA, there was a sign that said Attitude of Gratitude, and I would look at that sign, and I would growl and just wrap, because I was sick, I didn't know if I was living or dying, I couldn't do all of these things, I couldn't go back to work, I had no money, I couldn't even drink, and I was in a state of just anger and denial and everything, and if it wasn't for, you know, some some classes that I took, I found out that I started, had to start with super small, like I can turn the light on and there is light, I can turn the tap on and there is water. Yeah, it's clean. I can make it hot. I have enough food to eat, not necessarily what I want, but I have enough food that I'm not starving. I have a comfortable bed that I hate and resent, but it's there and it's comfortable as much as it can be. Yeah, and every day I just kept building that list and I started learning how to find the smallest of joys in life, and I just kept building that, that gratitude muscles are called, yeah, until one day I was, I was sitting at my back door, and when I, my, my cat at that time would go out on her leash. If I looked to the right, it was nothing but bright sunshine, which is extremely painful. I can't go out without sunglasses and a hat. I'm always mostly covered up and isolating to a certain extent.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah,

but to the right is a giant maple tree, and beneath that giant maple tree with the summer winds blowing, what I saw was this dappled dancing sunlight that reminded me of the ocean, and I sat there in wonder at the beauty of just that dancing sunlight, and I realized in that moment that I had finally reached that constant state of gratitude. Wow, and that that moment has been one that I turn to very often, along with my, my life mantra, which is choose to live joyously within the tempest of adversity. I use those things on my worst days, like recently my father passed away, and what people tend to do is they close down, and I try to do the opposite. I try to look for the flowers at the hospital that maybe they were meant for somebody else, but I could still see them, and they're beautiful, even though he. Passed away. It was a beautiful day outside, though it was very hard for me to go north to lay him to rest. I was surrounded by family members I hadn't seen in years, and I got to appreciate their time and their love. There were still challenging times, there were still really bad times, but there were still moments of beauty, because I chose to look for them. Yes, and that beauty was huge difference.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah, wow. And it's such a reminder for all of us too that we can choose to look for those spaces and places in which we can receive and be in that gratitude that's so beautiful, and, and I think it's just such a wonderful opportunity to to invite us to look at the world with a slightly different lens, not ignoring the discomfort, the pain, the sadness, the things that we go through in life, but honoring all of

it. Yeah,

Rev. Rose Hope: so let's keep going on this grace formula. A, let's tell me what the A stands for.

A is act fearlessly.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yes,

so many of us, almost all of us, are afraid to play like a child, we are afraid to be bad at something, we are afraid of looking ridiculous or not good enough.

Yes, the

advantage of having lost just about everything was I I could do that. I gave myself permission to try new things. I learned how to make jewelry. I created an entirely new craft that had never been done before. I started writing songs again. I have a song that I wrote called Don't Give Up. I'll just do one quick part of it. Was not long ago I reached my end thinking I could never mend, but when I was black and sad, a little angel came and said, "Don't give up, hold your head up high right now. The skies are cloudy, but soon they will be blue. I won't give up on you. It goes through four phases of, you know, the bad times, the times when somebody reaches out, the times when you're starting to heal, and the times where it's your turn to reach back and help.

Rev. Rose Hope: I love your voice so much, like your voice is so healing for me. I don't know why, but like every time I'm just like you, as soon as you start singing, I just drop into a whole nother world. So, thank you for sharing, and I hope that the audience can feel that too. So, living fearlessly, of course, such a key piece, and I think you're exactly right. You know, so often we keep ourselves limited, but when you've lost everything, you've got nothing to lose, and even when you have, or you think you have everything, you still have nothing to lose. People, that's my point. I want to remind everybody that the idea that you're losing something is made up in your mind, and when you act from a place of aligned courage and fearlessness, that's when the magic really happens, right? That's when,

yeah, no matter what, no matter what. When I have tried something, whether I have succeeded or failed, I have met new people, I have created connections, I have learned new skills, and skills that I did not think were important in the past become pivotal in the future.

WSC Intro/Outro: Yeah,

like I thought I was starting from nothing, but I wasn't.

I

recognize that I have been a teacher since I was a teenager, whether I was teaching first aid and CPR, lifeguarding, I taught women how to drive 18 wheelers, I taught people first aid and CPR, I taught people how to become scuba divers. All of those things were actually me being a speaker, so I repurposed that skill. I had to relearn how to speak to a certain extent, but I already had some of those skills. Yeah, and part of what I teach in my workshops and in my, in my speeches is recognizing some of those things. What do I still have that I can repurpose?

Rev. Rose Hope: Oh, I love that,

that's

Rev. Rose Hope: a lot of shift in perspective, because you know we have it, we can't lose certain aspects of our being, right? So it's beautiful. Okay, we better move on, because we're now getting to the end of our talk today. Give me the C and the E of grace.

C is connect with community. If it weren't for the people in AA, if it weren't for my little church, if it weren't for the seniors community that I developed at the seniors home, all of those people have been there to hold me up when I was too weak to stand on my own. They became my voice. They became my cheerleaders, and they've become my friends and my family.

Rev. Rose Hope: Amazing, and so important. You know, community is so critical. We know that there's studies that are done that show that relationships actually are a major, major contributor in our overall happiness, and I think we got, we lost the village somehow, didn't we? That village energy, and so I love that this is on the list, because it's just, it's such an important part right now of humanity. So, thank you for that. Okay, give it, give

us the E, E is Embrace new passions and purpose, son. Just going out there and using what you're learning, creating new opportunities. Have I ever run an event like Disabilities Unleashed in my entire life? Absolutely not. But that was part of embracing the acting fearlessly, which we are always waiting until we are perfect, or till we consider ourselves good enough. That's too late. We need to do step into that fear and embrace these opportunities and these passions and make them our own, good, bad, ugly, it doesn't matter, as long as we're trying and experimenting, good things happen because we create the alignment.

Rev. Rose Hope: Ah, brilliant, CJ, this has been such a gift, and I love this grace methodology that we can all kind of take some tangible feedback from and insight from to apply to our life, so with all that in mind, you know, someone says, Oh my gosh, CJ, you're speaking to my heart, how can, how can they get a hold of you? What do you have on the docket?

What I'm offering your people, your audience, is they can find me at, you know, CJ Jansen. I'm on the first four pages of Google, you'll find me. So, for those who are not reading, or who are just listening, it's C J, that's it, that's my old first name, Jansen, J A N Z E N. You can find me there, and I am for your audience. I'm willing, they can sign up on my web page, CJ janssen.com You know, go to my Calendly and book a 30 minute getting to know you, and I will give a free coaching session, and maybe, for you know, three to five people, maybe I will do a five day intensive for free.

Oh,

run you through the Grace program.

Rev. Rose Hope: Wow, okay. So you're just stacking the gifts here, people. What a great opportunity if you're willing to receive these gifts, all those links gonna be in the show notes for you, so you can get on to CJ's website. Just let her know that you are signed up and ready to rock and roll, and that you are interested in her session, and it will be done just like that. So, CJ, can you finish us off with either something cool, maybe there is some song that needs to come out of you. Would you wrap us up with some final words or final singing?

So I didn't do a tiny bit of both. Why bother? There's this poem by Sean Thomas Doherty that resonates so deeply for those of you who are sitting there, who are speakers or who are leaders. The poem's name is Why Bother, and it says because right now there is someone out there with a wound in the exact. Shape of your words, and as a final note, the sun will come out tomorrow. Fetch a bottom taller that tomorrow there'll be sun.

Rev. Rose Hope: Ah, yes indeed. Thank you so, so much, CJ. It has been such a gift to be with you. Keep singing, please. I want you, like, do you have an album? I want your CD.

I have written music. They can find me on soundcloud.com you then can see some of my music there. I've got Canadian folk music, I have hymns that I've written for my church, and I've got some protest songs out there as well. But yeah, I'm just.. I, it comes down to just finances, it's just not in the financial cards at the moment. I'm focusing more on the disabilities unleashed. I'm looking for the sponsors and stuff to, so I can make the avail free to the community things like that. That's the priority.

Rev. Rose Hope: Well, I'm sending all the prosperity in the world to you, so that you can fulfill this mission, you know. I have a saying: fill the soul bank, the money bank will fill. And you, my friend, are filling the soul bank, and you filled my soul bank today. And I hope you filled our audience's soul bank today. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in to When Spirit Calls today. Until next time, be well. Thank you, CJ, for being part of our episode today. Thank you.

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