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Episode 9: Travel and Autism — Exploring the World with Heightened Senses
Episode 97th July 2023 • Divergent Conversations • Megan Neff & Patrick Casale
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Travel and the act of experiencing people and places is something that is generally talked about with excitement, but for Autistic people, it can be a much more complex experience.

Patrick, who hosts entrepreneurial retreats for therapists all over the world and travels often for extended periods of time, shared that despite loving to travel, the experience of hosting retreats and being away from home could also feel torturous at times, like having exposed nerves that were shocked by all things sensory.

When talking about travel and social interactions, Dr. Neff expressed that it "feels like the decision is to have a really small life or to lean into experiences, but to be constantly confronted with the too-muchness of the world."

In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, both AuDHD mental health professionals, share their diverse experiences and feelings about travel, social interactions, and sensory overload.

Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:

  1. Understand the challenges and experiences of neurodivergent individuals while traveling and in stimulating social spaces.
  2. Identify ways that travel can provide positive stimulation for Autistic individuals through new experiences.
  3. Learn ways to manage and do self-care and self-advocacy when feeling sensory overload during travel.


Travel and social situations can be challenging for neurodivergent individuals, but through vulnerability and a commitment to self-care, it is possible to find strength and joy in the pursuit of exploring new places and experiences.

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Hurricane Relief for WNC communities

This money will go to nonprofits who are boots on the ground. It will go to struggling individuals who do not have enough money for gas to get out, or who do not have enough money to provide their basic needs right now. Donate to Patrick's GoFundMe to help provide urgent aid for WNC communities affected by Hurricane Helene. Visit: atppod.com/wnc

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