The principal focus of this episode revolves around the profound impact that personal experiences and relationships have on one's professional journey, specifically within the realm of chiropractic care and athletic support. We engage in an enlightening dialogue with Jacob Sherer, DC, a distinguished chiropractor, who shares his transformative journey from aspiring attorney to a prominent figure in sports medicine. The conversation delves into the intricate balance of personal and professional responsibilities, particularly in the context of parenting and career aspirations. We explore the challenges and triumphs faced in establishing a successful practice and the importance of fostering genuine connections with clients, particularly athletes. Ultimately, this episode serves as a testament to the notion that true fulfillment arises not merely from professional achievements, but from the meaningful relationships and contributions one makes within their community. A compelling exploration of resilience and personal growth encapsulates the essence of our latest conversation, wherein I had the privilege to engage with Dr. Jacob Sherer, a distinguished chiropractor and a fervent advocate of holistic well-being. The dialogue commenced with a reflective anecdote, tracing back to the pivotal moment in 2017 when I, amidst a tumultuous career shift, was persuaded by Jacob to venture into the realm of entrepreneurship by establishing a jiu-jitsu academy. This narrative set the stage for a profound discussion about the intrinsic transformations that individuals undergo when they embark upon their journeys of self-discovery and professional evolution. We delved into the challenges and triumphs that characterize the arduous path of building a business, emphasizing the significance of authenticity and genuine connections in fostering sustainable success. As the conversation progressed, we navigated through Jacob's formative experiences, which shaped his decision to pursue chiropractic care. Initially aspiring to enter the legal profession, his trajectory shifted dramatically following a transformative internship experience. This revelation underscores a poignant theme in our exchange: the unpredictable nature of life’s path and the importance of seizing opportunities that resonate with one's true calling. Our dialogue also illuminated the profound impact that martial arts have had on Jacob's life, serving as a catalyst for personal resilience and professional dedication. The discussion culminated in a reflection on the broader implications of holistic health in sports, underscoring the pivotal role that practitioners like Jacob play in nurturing the physical well-being of athletes and enhancing their performance on the field. Towards the conclusion of our discourse, the conversation took a deeply personal turn as Jacob elucidated his priorities as a father, emphasizing the profound transformation that parenthood has instigated within him. This heartfelt revelation not only accentuates the notion of legacy but also reinforces the importance of being present for one’s family amidst the demands of professional life. As we wrapped up our dialogue, it became evident that the journey of building a meaningful life is characterized by both personal and professional milestones, with each step contributing to a greater understanding of oneself and one’s purpose. Our exchange stands as an inspiring testament to the potential that resides within each individual to effect positive change in their lives and the lives of others, reinforcing the core message of our podcast: the power of human connections and the essence of real work in shaping our collective future.

Takeaways:

• The podcast emphasizes the significance of genuine human connection, highlighting that meaningful conversations are built on authentic experiences.
• Listeners are encouraged to recognize the importance of resilience and hard work in pursuing one's passions, especially in the face of adversity.
• The discussion illustrates how personal transformations often precede professional successes, underscoring the necessity of internal growth.
• The episode reveals the host's acknowledgment of the complexities involved in balancing professional ambitions with personal responsibilities, particularly in family lif

This is Adam Marburger.

And this is humans that build real conversations with real people, not just about what they've built in the world, but what had to be built inside them first.

No hype, no shortcuts.

Just humans doing the work.

Humans that build.

Real people.

Real work.

Welcome to another episode of Humans that Build, where I have the honor and privilege to spend time with individuals making an impact in their communities across the globe.

It's an honor and privilege to be here.

I'm here with a really good friend of mine, actually, and I'm going to tell a story before I introduce this.

This amazing human.

And this individual reached out to me and wanted to meet for coffee.

So, you know, we knew each other.

You know, we knew each other.

Not really knew each other.

And so we met for coffee, and within the first hour of us meeting, he talked me into opening up a jiu jitsu academy.

So the last thing I needed to do was open another business.

But this individual start.

It kind of, like, motivated me to start a new business.

So, Jacob Shear, I wanted to start with that story because, you know, I don't know if you remember that day.

I remember it well.

Yeah, I remember it well.

It.

Of all the things in the world that I didn't need to add to my plate, was another business.

So I want to thank you for adding chaos, but absolute bliss and joy to my life.

So I want to start by saying thank you.

So look at you now, though.

Yeah, we got a beautiful thing.

So for.

For.

For people don't know you.

This is Dr. Jacob Shear.

He's a doctor in chiropractic.

And I will tell you, he's not just any doctor.

He works on some professional athletes, local athletes.

Every time I've been broken physically, emotionally, he's not able to fix me.

But every time I've been broken physically, Jacob and his wife have fixed me.

So, Jacob, I want to thank you for that.

Welcome to Humans that build, my brother.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah, I'm real happy to be here.

I'm glad that you're doing something like this.

And this is kind of the next.

The next step for you, I think, would be to do something of this nature and add even more chaos into your plate.

Right.

And I will say that I was just talking to somebody that I don't look at this as work.

It's.

There's a lot of.

There's a lot of joy that I get from this, but it's kind of selfish joy, because every conversation I have, I take something away, and I know the viewers and the.

And the listeners take something away as well.

So there's a sense of selfishness that resides in that, and I'm just grateful to be doing this, so I want to get right to it.

So you've done a whole lot of things.

You grew up in Hillsborough, Illinois.

You, You've, You've.

You worked your way through multiple degrees.

What.

Let me just start with what motivated you to even become a doctor of chiropractic?

Like, when was that kind of moment?

Like, did you always want to do that growing up or tell me what happened that kind of ultimately led you to Logan?

So I was actually going to be an attorney.

I have a political science degree from.

SIU Edwardsville, and, you know, I had taken the LSAT and did relatively well on it.

I, I could have not had my.

Choice of schools, but, you know, I, I definitely, the.

The opportunities were.

Were open to me to, to go into that field.

And then I, I actually interned at a prison, and that.

That kind of changed the game for me, where I was almost soured on the.

The legal field to a certain degree,.

Just because I saw so much.

I don't know if you want to call it injustice or that the, the scales are just unevenly weighted.

I, I don't know how you can really say it, but, you know, it changed me, I think, for the better.

You know, it's nothing against the legal field, but it was interesting.

You know, I started doing martial arts whenever I was 19 years old.

I think you did as well, right?

You were around that.

Yeah.

So, you know, we kind of.

I say that martial arts kind of saved my life and tempered my steel.

To a certain degree, if you will.

Yeah.

But my martial arts instructor was Dr.

Sean McCaffrey, and he's a chiropractor as well.

And he looked at me and he.

Goes, what are you going to do with your life?

And I go, I don't know.

I guess go to law school.

And he's like, you don't really want to do that, do you?

And I go, how do you know this?

And he goes, because I made that.

Face, too, like he was going to be an attorney.

If I recall, his first degree was military history from Blackburn, and he was going to be an attorney.

And then he ultimately ended up switching paths and went to this direction.

And I'm going to tell you, one of the reasons that I got into.

This was my Mother had had a.

Back surgery.

Very early in my life.

And I'm going to tell you, you.

Know, when you have two parents that.

Work and then all of a sudden one of those incomes gets wiped out and, you know, all the other things that go along with it, you, you.

I don't want to say that you lose your parent, but you.

It changes.

You know, it was, it was definitely.

A fork in the road.

You know, where my mom was bowling, she was, you know, she would get out and roller skate with me, you know, and then all of a sudden, she really wasn't able to do much of that stuff anymore.

And so that, that impacted me greatly.

And, you know, she had gone to a couple of chiropractors that.

I mean, to be honest with you, that was probably the one thing that I think, you know, helped her.

Um, you know, it didn't cure her, obviously, but it, it, it did seem to help her, you know, and so that's when, you know, I, I asked him two questions.

I said, you know, can.

Can you make a decent living at this?

And he was like, well, yeah, you know me, like, he, he did very well for himself.

And I was like, well, that's great.

And then I, I asked the, the next question was the most important thing.

For me, because really, to be honest with you, what I wanted to do.

As an attorney was become a sports agent.

And so you'd be a good one.

Yeah, I would have loved it, you know, and so I asked him, I go, can you work in professional sports?

And he goes, jake, the Cardinals chiropractor, is the head instructor at Logan.

I signed up the next day.

You know, I do believe that Sean.

Adjusted my elbow once was really the.

Only adjustment that I'd ever received.

And, you know, I had full trust in him.

I think that's what happens whenever you have a martial arts instructor that makes that kind of impact on you.

I'm sure you have those people in your life as well.

You know, even if they, they tell you that the grass isn't green, you kind of almost believe them sometimes.

And dang it, sometimes it's not green.

You know, sometimes they're, they're right about that.

And I, I think he hit the nail on the head, you know, I, I guess he saw something in me.

My drive, my determination that I was going to be able to do something like that.

Um, I don't know.

I always, I always wanted to become Paul.

What, you want a professional, right?

I always wanted to be kind of in that, that scheme of things as, as Far as, you know, an attorney, I don't really think I ever wanted to be a dentist.

That wouldn't have been.

That's a different animal, digging in people's.

Mouths, you know, But.

But chiropractor kind of fit into that.

You know, I.

To be honest with you, I never thought that I could be a doctor, you know, but.

But an attorney was really where I was looking into banker, maybe something of that nature.

So I started Logan right after that, and it was.

It was kind of shocking to me because, you know, Dr. McCaffrey told me some things, but he didn't tell me.

That we would be working on cadavers.

And I was like, well, well, this is different.

And.

But.

But I will tell you that that was probably my favorite class.

I know it kind of sounds gross to some people, but, you know, actually doing dissections on our own personal human cadaver opened my eyes to what it.

What it really could be, you know, and that's whenever I really was like, all right, I'm.

I'm not only going to do this, I'm going to jump in with both feet and.

And immerse myself into this.

You know, I.

One of the things that I love to do growing up was pitch.

You know, if.

If.

If I could have my choice, I would be a major league pitcher.

You know, to be completely honest with you, that was just.

That was my drive.

That's what I love to do.

And I blew out my elbow, right?

And, you know, so I figured this was a.

An avenue for me to learn more about myself, learn more about how to help other people.

And then ultimately, what it became was.

I wanted to be this uber coach for baseball athletes.

And it's funny, you know, the other thing, obviously, because it's a martial arts.

Instructor that brought me there was I wanted to work with professional MMA fighters.

You know, I was exposed to it from a very early age, obviously, because of Matt Hughes being from the town.

Of 4,000 people, and he was a welterweight champion of the world.

He's been showing up to all elite.

He's been showing.

That's what I heard.

Yeah, I saw that.

I mean, he's run a few of our MMA classes, so him and John Mayfield.

John.

John is a. John is a diamond.

You know, I. I absolute.

He's an ab.

I absolutely love that, man.

He's an absolute animal on the mat, too.

You got to be real.

You got to watch.

Oh, he's.

He's.

He's a handful, you know, and it's funny, I. I actually cornered One of his fights?

Yeah, he's, he's, he's, he's full blown.

Yeah, he's running the full blown show on the MMA program.

But I want to hear before we get in, because I do want to talk.

I got a lot of things I want to talk about when it comes to you working with athletes and stuff.

But I got a question, though, before we get there.

So go to Logan.

How, first of all, how difficult was it?

How difficult was it for you to complete and get through Logan?

It's hard.

I'm not going to say that it wasn't.

Again, not to be cocky, but I'm very blessed, number one, I think, because.

I had a passion for it, it came to me easy.

Um, but I was very blessed that I was able to get through school pretty well unscathed.

You know, my wife and I always joke about it.

It's.

You know, a lot of people get stressed out by.

By school, and I just don't remember being stressed out by school.

What's.

What's more stressful than business?

So that's where I'll go with.

So you kind of go.

So, all right, so you go to school and you knock it out of the park.

Right.

You know, it wasn't difficult that.

Difficult.

Difficult for you, right?

Sure.

A lot of people, I mean, schools for some.

School's not for some.

And I'm going to raise my hand.

I'm kind of one that I hated it wasn't great at it, but like,.

I don't like it.

I don't like it, but I can do it.

Sure.

What's more stressful and harder?

The actual opening up a startup business and, you know, what was that like?

So tell me that transition.

Let's go into that.

Well, so it's interesting because I started.

Out on my own originally at Bull now, which is a local massage therapy clinic.

Right.

And Teresa Franklin and Olivia Kelly, they.

They brought me in and I was kind of doing my own thing.

And then out of nowhere, my.

My wife's chiropractor, I guess, you know, he had some issues with the chiropractors that were working there.

And then he ended up coming to.

See me for acupuncture.

I did my internship with Dr. Gary Ditson, who I credit with.

You know, he said to me, he said, jake, you can do this.

And I was like, what?

And he goes, this what?

And what he meant was, you can do anything you put your mind to.

Right.

And so, you know, I learned acupuncture.

From him, and this doctor came in to see me for acupuncture.

And then he ended up offering me a job.

I was very grateful at the time.

It was, I wish that I never would have taken that job, if I can be completely honest with you.

And it literally, I think it was a lack of confidence to see it through, you know, in the beginning.

And if you really look at it, it was kind of like the easy way out, if you will, right?

And so I started off on my own and then ended up in that situation with him, with my wife.

So my wife and I were both working for him.

And then, you know, he told us that he wanted us to buy the clinic and basically said some calm untruths.

If you want to, right?

You've been in business.

I mean, you could blast them if you want.

Or her.

Yeah, well, I'm gonna try not to.

I would love to get in that.

I would love to, but I'm not going to.

But, you know, and, and at some.

Point, I just had had enough, you know, I, I, I'd had enough.

I was super stressed out doing some things that I shouldn't have been doing as far as, you know, I, I, I haven't drank for nearly 10 years now.

And there's a, there's a reason behind that, right?

Nobody wakes up because it's you, you're.

In a good situation.

Hey, I'm going to stop doing this, right?

And so, you know, but that was.

Kind of like the escape, right?

And then I eventually convinced my wife to, we need to go out on our own, you know, And I'll never.

Forget the day that I was like,.

Oh, boy, this is real.

Because we were driving back from our practice in Jerseyville, right, that we had just opened, it was snowing out, right?

And we had just gotten our table in, right, which was, I think, you know, 7, $800, which was a huge purchase back then, right?

And it was snowing.

And I just remember, I didn't, I.

Don't think either one of us said.

It out loud, but we were both thinking, like, what have we done?

You know, And I, you know, it's, it's interesting because we started that in.

And I remember having conversations with you.

About your business, and it was the.

Very, like, parallel roads, you know, obviously it's a different field.

But one thing that I love about business is that it's widgets, you know, so everybody's essentially in the business of being in business, right?

And so there's a lot of people in business that Say, I don't care what the field is.

It's.

You have these rules.

And, you know, then I would push back and say, it's a lot different.

In the healthcare business, but there are a lot of similarities between, you know, what you were telling me and what I went through.

And, you know, I was.

I know it kind of sounds goofy,.

But I was proud of you, you.

Know, like, to see you.

I mean, dude, you were going up.

There and taking swings, you know, and.

Well, yeah, I got punched in the face a few times, though, too.

Well, of course, you know, I mean, yeah, it's.

You know, you're not going to.

You're not going to get into a fight like this and not get touched, you know, and that's kind of where it ended up.

And then after that, I was doing jiu jitsu and judo over at the Hit squad, Right.

Matt had already gotten out of that part of it, and it was run by Jesse Fanny at the time.

Right.

And that's where I met George Danich.

Right.

And another man that saved my life.

You know, these people kind of come into your life for a reason, I think.

And he was one of those, you know, very similar to my old mentor.

He was like, for some reason, he.

Took a liking to me.

Right.

And we just really hit it off.

And it's funny, you know, because now.

I'm the team doctor over at Principia.

Yeah.

And the first call, I mean, literally the first call that I made was.

To George Stanich, right?

Like, hey, what are you doing?

Right.

Do you have time to do this?

And now he's the strength and conditioning.

Coach for baseball and some of the other ones out there.

So, you know, 10 years later, George.

And I finally get to work in a business aspect together.

We've been trying to do this for years, you know, so I love that.

I. I think so.

When you jumped off the deep end, you and Katie, you know, both had that aha moment.

Like, holy cow, what do we do?

Like, those are real moments of reflection, like, you.

You.

And I don't know about you, but I look back and I know when I did something similar, I left a safe, comfortable existence for a destination unknown.

But I did know that.

I knew I was meant for more, and I knew that.

Be honest, I'm unemployable.

I was talking to one of my business partners.

He's over in Spain.

We're, like, talking today.

It's like, we're so unemployable, like, we couldn't work anywhere.

It's Impossible.

Now, though it is an honor and a privilege to work for yourself.

It takes guts, it takes courage, it takes resilience.

A lot of sleepless nights.

So walk us through the first year of Oprah.

And I'm going to share before we go into this, you and your wife have a wildly.

I mean, not just an app.

You have a wildly successful practice, offer lots of products and services.

You guys are the.

I would say, the biggest deal in town, you guys, but you.

It took a while to get there.

So let's talk about what was that first year like?

Let's hear some of the stories from that first year.

Scary.

Scary, right?

I go back to the line, you got to fake it till you make it kind of thing, Right.

I hadn't really.

Well, I had been tested, right?

Because I, you know, I was a chiropractor for nearly four years before I started my practice, Right.

And so I was.

I'd been tested as a doctor, and I knew that I could do that, but I'd never been tested as a business owner.

Right.

It's way different when you have your.

Name on the front, right.

When you actually have your name on.

The front and you're making the decisions, it's a little bit of a different animal.

And so what I tried to do was kind of the same way that I connected with you, right.

I tried to connect with as many people as I possibly could.

I will say, probably the most important.

Connection that I made was Jordan Doughty.

Yeah.

What a great guy he is.

Yeah.

You know, he's.

He.

He and I have been through some stuff together.

You know, I've tried my best to be the best doctor that I possibly can for him all the time.

I've seen him win, I've seen him lose, you know, and so working with him.

Then he introduced me to.

To Sean Woodson.

Right.

And you.

And I had that.

That meeting with.

With Sean at the.

At the Regal Beagle that morning.

And, yeah.

And, you know, it was.

It was wild.

I.

To be completely honest with you, I had expected to have more success in.

Baseball before MMA and combat sports, Right.

But it was.

It was the exact opposite.

And here I was two, three years, maybe four years into my practice, and all of a sudden we got a guy getting a call to the ufc,.

You know, and it.

And one of the big things that.

I will say immediately, I am not responsible for anyone's success, right?

Like, that individual has put time, effort, blood, sweat, tears.

And what I try to do is help facilitate it.

Right?

So you're never going to hear me say, outside of a couple of guys, like, those are my guys.

And in fact, you'll never hear me say I'm the reason that they're there.

No, no, no, no, no.

They are the reason that they are there.

Like, that's, that's the most important thing.

You know, I try to help out sports too, though.

I mean, keep your athletes healthy is absolutely critical for their success, though.

Oh, it's huge.

It's huge.

You know, it's, you know, I just do jiu jitsu and I can barely get out of bed some days.

It's important to get.

Yeah, well, and I, you know, I think recognizing that, you know, is.

Is probably one of the most important.

Things and all I've ever wanted for, in return for a lot of these guys, you know, is for them to speak well and respectfully of me, you know, tell people what I can do.

Don't.

Don't oversell me.

Right.

I don't want to under deliver, but at the same time, you know, if I feel like if you put me in the right spot with the right person, the right athlet, I can definitely be an integral part of what they're trying to do.

So.

So do you prefer working with baseball athletes?

Because I know you work with a ton of baseball athletes or mixed martial artists.

Do you have a preference?

Is it just.

And they're both the same there?

It's, it's.

So, it's interesting, you know, the, I.

Don't know if the MMA guys are into baseball at all, but, But I will tell you that the, the baseball guys, they love mma.

You know, hitting's hitting, right?

And at the end of the day, you know, there's, there's a lot of crossovers between them.

It's funny, whenever I was in school,.

I had a horrible baseball coach for.

A high school baseball coach.

My summer baseball coach, on the other hand, was.

Was a gym, right?

But my, my high school baseball coach was.

Was terrible, except for the fact that.

He was not against us getting into the gym.

Right.

So what I had always heard from baseball guys was, don't get in the gym.

You're going to get hurt, you're going to get too tight, you're going to whatever.

And it's just, It's a farce, right?

We now literally tell people to get into the gym for the exact reasons that we were being told not to get into the gym, to prevent injuries.

And so at some point, somebody told me, they said, you know, get in.

The gym and get bigger.

So I Did.

And it didn't help me at all hit a baseball.

Now, if I got a hold of it right, it was, you know, at 20%, it was the pop out to the center fielder was now going to clear the wall.

Right?

But.

But that's really what I learned.

And I'm going to tell you that that the.

The change in strength and conditioning in.

MMA happened like that.

I mean, like, when I first got into this, strength and conditioning was a thing that some of them did and some of them didn't even do at the time.

Right.

Nutrition wasn't really a big thing.

Like.

Like when people were doing their weight cuts.

I mean, Adam, one of the things I remember is, is Jordan and I talking.

For whatever reason, he has a maturity level to him about weight cutting and about nutrition that very few people do, you know?

And when I first started talking to him, he was telling me that it was still the wild, wild west, you know, I mean, geez, we weren't even on ESPN yet at the time when I first got into it.

In fact, Dr. Whitmer, one of my instructors in school, made fun of me one day because I wanted to work with professional MMA fighters.

He literally made fun of me.

He's like, what do you want to work with those crazy people?

Out of all of my careers, the businesses that I've had and exited, the mixed martial arts promotion, Take that, promotions that turned into Premier Combat League.

We did it for almost 10 years.

And I'm going to tell you, working with MMA fighters was an honor at many levels.

Not a blessing in some meaning.

A lot of these, you know, especially amateur fighters, professionals or professionals, they would show up on weight, but my goodness, some of these guys would.

Oh, it's wild.

It's wild the way they cut weight.

And, you know, it's.

It.

You know, I cornered a guy at King of the Cage right up in East Moline.

Jeff Curran was fighting.

Oh, geez.

Uh, Crazy Horse.

Yeah.

Right.

And.

And so we're there, and it's so funny.

Shoney Carter was there fighting as well.

Right.

And so I'm in there, and the promoter looks at us and says, hey, your guy already weighed in.

What?

So we didn't even see this guy weigh in?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, That's.

It's.

That's a kind of a.

He didn't weigh in.

There's no way that he was 170.

So.

Yeah.

And.

But then on the up.

Lack of regulation back then, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I went out of business.

I'm not going to blame.

Blame the state of Illinois.

Not going to blame.

No, you can.

I'm not going to blame the state of Illinois.

Right.

We left that business because it just wasn't as fun anymore in the state of Illinois.

I'll tell you, my last pro card, I had five fights, and they brought in, I think, three timekeepers instead of one.

Like, one.

I mean.

You mean one time keeper can't keep time for five fights, so now I'm paying, like 700 for three.

They're bringing in, like, six judges because they got to take breaks.

They're taking X percentage.

I mean, they.

Oh, they.

They got their hands too deep in it where it wasn't profitable.

And it was like, all right, here's a sign.

Like, here's a sign.

Nickel, nickel, and dime you to death.

But the sport has definitely evolved.

Did you.

Hey, by the way, since we're on MMA, did you watch Freedom to 250 at the White House?

Did you get to catch any of those fights?

I didn't catch it, but I got.

I.

You know, obviously, I went through and watched all the highlights of it.

I. Gaethje's an animal.

My God.

Him and I fight.

I have loved watching that man fight.

Since he first came in, you know?

Oh, man.

100%.

He's a dog, and he's always the underdog, and he's just.

He's.

He's not.

He's.

He's not human.

There's no way that guy's 100% human.

He's gonna go out on his shield.

Like, he's.

Yeah.

You know, I. I really.

I thoroughly.

I thoroughly enjoyed watching.

That was kind of a cool setup.

I mean, they did a really nice job.

That's tough to do it outside.

So my.

One of my best friends from back home, Adam Wright, he used to run.

Explosive mma, and he would do outside fights at the Butler Montgomery County Fair.

Right?

Yeah.

There we go.

Are we back?

Dude.

But, like, it's hard enough to have a baseball game in the.

Yeah, those outside fights are fun.

They're MMA fights.

Like, if it rains, you're toast.

Yeah.

Well, how about this?

They did downtown on Broad North Broadway.

I forgot the venue.

I think Court might have fought on it.

I. I got.

I got to go back in time, but it was hot.

I'm talking the camp, the.

It was so, yes, hot.

I mean, horrendous idea.

And I'll tell you, the White House card, they did such a nice job on it.

And I can see truly well, there's.

A, There's a joke in baseball, whatever your position is, you want to play something.

I mean, it's.

So if you're a pitcher, you.

Catch.

So.

So it's like these.

A lot of the baseball players have, you know, the imposter syndrome of I really want to be an MMA fighter, but you really don't like that.

That's the thing.

You know, any.

Anyone that's fought and I have never.

Not actually gotten into the cage.

Right.

Trained since I was 19.

Well, we're not doing that.

But.

But I will tell you, anybody that gets in that cage is a.

Still got time.

I mean, you know, there's promoters that.

Than anybody else on this planet.

Yeah,.

It's different, man.

I'll tell you.

I, I've only done.

I did three MMA fights.

I did a couple amateur kickboxing fights, fights with big gloves and big headgear, which, God, those were awkward.

But I'll tell you, it's a different thing.

It's kind of.

It's weird.

It's almost weird when you.

It's because you got all those people in the room and they're watching every.

Fight that anybody else, it, it is,.

It does something to you, you know, it is exhilarating.

It is true.

It's wild.

So.

Yeah, yeah,.

Yeah.

You know, you're playing it.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, I tell you too, that it does take a lot.

It takes a special human being willing to do it.

And that's why I have so much respect for these pro fighters, these amateur fighters.

Anybody.

I agree with what you said, Jacob.

Like, I.

It takes a special person to do it.

There's a lot of props of respect.

I, I gotta ask you this question, because you've done so much, you know, with your firm, your practice, but you've worked on so many different types of athletes.

What's one of your maybe biggest wins?

So what is my favorite successes?

And from being a coach, working with.

These individuals, if you could, was kind.

Of watching Sean Woodson hit his opponent with a knee on the Contender Series, and he gets, he gets a contract, right?

I lost.

I still get chills, right.

Like, I, I lost, right?

Yeah, number one.

I, I think Sean is one of the best human beings on this planet.

I truly do, you know, and to see him succeed, you know, after all.

The, the stuff that he had been through in the sport was just icing on the cake.

Right.

And so the.

The next biggest win for me was.

Getting an opportunity to work with our local baseball team, the River Dragons.

Right.

The collegiate team.

And, you know, off of that, I have a guy that I've worked with over the years.

His name's Blake Vandiver, and he has just been through it in baseball.

You know, he went to Lewis and Clark for a couple years and then went to another Division 1 school.

He ended up doing a little bit of professional baseball.

And now, you know, he's.

And then he was training at a baseball facility in Virginia, and now all of a sudden, he's a.

An assistant coach with the River Dragons.

And so, you know,.

A lot of people.

And somebody asked me the other day, if the St. Louis Cardinals called you, would you go?

And I said, I. I don't think I would.

I know that.

That's.

I know that.

Does.

But it would take me away.

You know what I mean?

And so it's crazy.

I really just know that that sounds bizarre, because that was one of my.

Big things that I wanted to do.

You know, I wanted to work in professional baseball.

I don't.

If somebody called me today, I don't think I would.

Yeah.

And I. I'll tell you what.

And I think this is the perfect segue, because I think I know where you're going with this.

So you're.

What one thing I wanted to bring up, and I want to give you some recognition and acknowledgement for, is your single.

You know, you're homeschooling your child.

You're.

I mean, you're sacrificing a whole lot that you could be doing to ensure your best future for your little boy.

So, first of all, hats off to you, but let's talk through that a little bit.

What.

Hey, what made you make that decision?

What did you make that decision to begin with?

Literally, I mean, difficult was it to start?

I've been very critical in your child.

Right.

I have.

I carry two master's degrees, one in sports science and rehabilitation, and then another one in nutrition and human performance.

I've taught at multiple schools from, you know, Division 1 colleges to online programs.

Currently, I teach at Graceland University in their master's program, and I get the.

The final class.

So I'm the fine.

I'm the final boss.

I'm the.

The Shao Kahn of.

Their degree.

Right?

The top of the mountain, they gotta beat me.

And, you know, I saw it get watered down.

You know, they.

They keep moving the goal posts, and not in a good way.

They're Moving them closer to the kids, right?

And what you're seeing whenever you really.

Look at the statistics.

I never thought I was, I was a public school kid, right?

So I, Yeah, so I did.

I wasn't private school, you know, I, I grew up in the public school.

System, and I hated it, right?

Like, like, I think a lot of other people do.

I mean, I appreciate everything that those.

Teachers did for me, but at the same time, I, There was nothing about it I liked, right?

Just going to.

I, I honestly think that if it.

Wasn't for sports those last three or.

Four years, I probably wouldn't have been.

Done as well as I did.

They, they made you, right?

And so I, I just started to see it get watered down.

And from it being watered down, I.

Started to look into it more and more, right?

To be completely honest, like, I would get messages and letters from kids that.

Were graduating and things like that, and I would see the.

I know this sounds terrible to critique.

It this way, but, like, the grammatical errors, right?

Just that the errors and things on.

Super simple things, right?

Like they were misspelling things, using punctuation incorrectly.

And I was like, what is going on right now?

Right?

Is this just laziness?

And then.

Nope.

A small percentage compared to where we were when we graduated can read.

A small percentage are doing math correctly.

So I started looking more into it, right?

And I'm very critical of the education field at large.

The, the capital E, right?

I think the, the lowercase educators, I,.

I, I feel for them, right?

But they are part of that system, and that system's broken right now.

Like, there's, there's no way around it.

Like, if, if you can't look at it, it's kind of like a, a baseball team.

If you're, you're, you know, 3 and 25.

Something's not right, right?

And, and so, yeah, and so not only are they, are they moving the goal posts closer so it's much easier to graduate, but they're still doing terrible even whenever they do lower the standards, right?

And so I started seeing that with.

My son, and I was like, I.

Can't let him go through this.

Number one, he's a different animal.

I mean, you've been around him like,.

He'd probably be in trouble every single day.

Like, well, bro, like, I don't want.

To go to the principal's office every single day, right?

So I decided I'll just be the principal, you know, educator, never taught kindergarten, never taught preschool, but, But I always had gone back to Common Core, right?

And, and so Common Core Math.

And then there was.

As I got further into it, I.

Realized that the kids weren't doing phonics anymore.

Right.

So.

And you remember the, the old commercial, hooked on phonics worked for me.

Right?

It does.

Like, it, it literally works for you.

Like, if you don't do phonics, you're not going to learn how to read properly.

I remember.

And so they went to this, what's called a learning system, right?

And so I'm going through curriculums and I'm like, what are sight words?

Right?

And so now these kids were expected to memorize these list of words and then be able to put them together.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Right.

I mean, back to our MMA stuff.

How often do you see an uber advanced technique win a fight?

Zero times.

Zero times.

It's usually something simple, right?

I mean, how often did Chuck L. Knock somebody out with a, with a, with a hook punch?

Pretty.

Pretty low percent.

It's not advanced, Right.

I mean, how many times do you guys see.

Do, do we see people get cotton guillotines?

How many times do we see people get caught and still.

Even rear naked chokeholds?

Yeah, Right.

The basic thing is what often is the most effective issue, right?

Yep.

And so, yeah, and so I realized that they weren't doing the basics anymore, you know, and I saw this too.

Yeah, I agree.

Guys that come in and they wanted to learn the.

I even heard it a couple times.

I want to learn the secrets to martial arts.

You know what the secret is?

Get really good at the basics.

Simple, right?

Like, if you're really good at the basics.

That's the secret.

Yeah.

Here's the secret I'm going to give you because this is something I'm passionate about for obvious reasons.

How do you get good at martial arts?

That's it.

Well, especially Jiu jitsu, which is the most difficult black belt to ever receive.

You have to show up and put hours on the mat.

That's it.

Because if you, if you put hours on the mat, you're learning techniques, and over time, you stack these combinations of techniques with time, and then you become good.

And a lot of, you know, coming in two days a week is not going to get you great.

When I first started coming three, four days every week, 10 to 12 years,.

You absolutely consumed me.

I had the benefit of a, a Muay Thai world champion, was one of our instructors, and, and I would literally drive to Jacksonville, Illinois, right, For, for two hour lessons with him by myself.

You know, nobody else would Go with me.

We'd go to this little cornered part of the gym, and he basically beat the crap out of me for two hours.

And I, I learned that way, you know, and.

And that's how you get good.

Same thing with becoming a doctor, you know.

Let me.

Let me ask you this, Jake, because this is something I, I bring up a lot because I use a lot of parallels in my business career along with my martial arts career.

It's because my martial arts career, really complicated.

Complimented me.

Complimented me in my personal life and in my business life.

So do you have a take on that?

Like, how is it a.

How is martial arts enhanced your life?

What would you say to the younger.

Generation that is not most rewarding?

What would you say?

You want to become a better baseball player?

Go do jiu jitsu?

Go do Thai boxing?

Go learn how to do that as.

Nicely as I can say, I don't care what the sport is.

If you have that background, right, you're going.

And, and what's interesting is not every martial artist is good at the other sports.

I've encountered that quite a bit.

But I will say this.

If you have a propensity to be a good athlete and you go and do martial arts, you will get better at that sport 100%.

Right.

The other side of it is kind of like what you said.

You have to keep coming back, right?

Yeah.

Now what.

Ha.

Let me ask you this.

So I.

Okay, first of all, I mean that my question was kind of loaded because I kind of knew you'd agree.

But now let me ask you this question.

How do you.

I agree, but how do you get through to that individual?

It's got, like some nervous energy about it.

Apprehension.

What's going to happen?

Am I going to get.

Oh, yeah, that's going to happen.

Am I going to feel stupid?

I've never done that before.

I watch the ufc, that stuff seems.

If you go and you don't know how to say that, are you going to suck in some water?

Yeah, like, there's.

There's a learning curve for everything.

It's just.

It's much sharper in martial arts, you know, I mean, I mean, look at.

You and I were slow rolling that one day, right?

I slipped.

Your knee was in the wrong spot, and I broke a ribbon.

That.

It's gonna happen, right?

But.

But you will.

You will learn something about yourself, you know?

Yeah, I do remember that.

It was a long time.

I think it's the most humbling experience.

Right?

What, what's interesting to me about martial arts is when you first get into it, right?

You almost have, like, this cocky attitude to you to a certain degree.

And I've.

I've seen this in other people, right?

And.

And then the longer you've been in it, the more humbled you are.

Typically, it's not to say that every person.

That's been done for 20 years, but, you know, like, it.

It just.

It just becomes something you do, as opposed to, let me show you what.

I do, you know?

Amen.

I love that.

So we're going to do this.

I'm going to kind of.

I got to.

I'm going to put you on the spot here for a minute as we kind of finalize this talk.

This has been a great conversation.

Conversation.

Jake, you're a wealth of knowledge, and I'm gonna make sure everybody has your contact information, because I'm telling you, I mean, if you're anywhere near the St. Louis Metropolitan, you're.

You're banged up, you're injured, you got an injury.

It's something you just.

That has been bothering you.

Can't get it fixed.

You see, Jake, I can promise you his team will.

Him and his team will get it fixed.

But what is.

What I want to know is, you know, you've got all these things you do.

What do you want to be known for?

Like, you know, fast forward, you know, people talking about you 100 years from now.

What do you.

What do you want to be known for?

Something clicked in me whenever my son was born.

You know, when.

When my son was born, I just.

I don't want to say, because there.

Is a business side, like, we gotta eat.

We gotta put food on the table.

We have to do these things.

And before Quentin was born, I would have told you that I wanted to be a professional major league baseball chiropractor.

100%, Right?

And now I'm telling you that I don't know that I would do that, given the opportunity, you know, so that's really what I want to be known as, is I want to be known.

As a good father, you know, And.

I don't want that to be known from everybody else other than my son.

You know, he's.

His opinion.

You've heard the thing.

Your opinion doesn't matter.

Well, I have two opinions in my life that matters.

My wife's and my sons, you know?

Yeah.

And at the end of the day, I mean, you and I have talked about it.

We've heard everything about ourselves.

I love this, Right?

How many untruths have you heard about yourself?

It's Kind of like back to the.

The Eminem line.

Tell.

Tell me something else.

I don't know.

You know, and that's really where it is.

You know, at the end of the day, I. I want him to have a fruitful life.

I want to provide for him.

And like I said, I gave up.

I don't want to say that I gave.

I chose him over my professional care.

Yeah, you have the ability.

What a.

What a blessing.

Well, I'm going to say as a, as a.

As a girl, Dad, I love what you just said.

I mean, really, if you think about it, and really, Salt family is what matters.

And I love how passionate you are about being a father.

You're a wonderful father.

You're a wonderful friend.

You're a wonderful entrepreneur.

So, Jake, how can people follow you?

What's the best way for people to reach you?

Follow you?

We also get a hold of you Bio id, hormone replacement clinic.

Right.

And that's kind of more of what she runs, right?

So it's funny, we.

We call ourselves the bald eagle parents, right?

Where.

I don't know if you know much about the bald eagle, but while, while one's out hunting, the other one's tending the nest, right?

And so that's literally what happens.

Whenever she's at work, I'm here, and.

Whenever I'm at work, she's here.

So, you know, it's great.

It.

It does, you know, and we're.

We're now getting into the peptide side of things.

My.

I've got.

It works real good friend that's affiliated with the, the Dallas Cowboys, Dr. Logan Mills.

And he's just been twisting my arm for three or four years about this stuff.

And I, I finally found a program and, and I feel confident enough with them that we're going to, to.

We're going to start really going after those.

I can't wait to have them for myself.

That, that's the one thing they don't tell you about when you start martial arts.

The accumulation of injuries, you know?

Yeah, well, you know, I'll never forget I was working with Huber, Eric Huber one day, and he didn't even put a lock on right.

But just his pressure, plus the position that my arm is, my.

My elbow went right.

I was like, I don't know if that was a good thing, a bad thing or what that was, but whatever.

Baseball didn't set up MMA and the.

Other types of trainings knocked it down, you know, so, so I'm.

I'm very excited to get on some.

Of the, the peptides that are, they're supposed to help with, with signaling, healing.

A little bit more, you know, and with testosterone.

You know, I myself, I kind of let myself go.

You know, I was £240.

£242.

I can't wait.

And my testosterone, when I finally did get it checked, was 540.

Right.

I'm sure it was lower than that because I got it checked whenever, you know, I, a couple years after I met you and I was, you know, hadn't been doing any of the silly stuff that takes away that natural testosterone.

So I'm sure that I was lower than that.

But I was able to get my, my testosterone last time I looked at it was 906, you know, at, at 41 years old.

Well, man, it was, it was a.

Clawback, let me tell you.

It's kind of like whenever you spend money incorrectly or unwisely clawing it back.

Into your bank account is, is way more difficult.

Yeah.

So.

It makes them very difficult, for sure.

Well, this has been, this has been.

Yeah, yeah.

First of all, we need to talk a little more.

I want to get a little more information for you on this peptide and have to bring you back on.

There's a lot more for us to talk about, but this conversation, this has been, this has been very good.

I'm sure my, my viewers and listeners will enjoy this immensely.

So I appreciate you coming on.

And for those that listen and, and those that have and eventually watch.

Humans to build, we greatly appreciate you spending time with us.

This show is designed to help people become a better version of themselves today than they were yesterday for a more promising tomorrow.

It's about helping the younger generation have a great day.

So, Jay, humans that build, real people, real work.

See you next time,.

Sam.