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Well, hello, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Adult Child of Dysfunction.

Today we have with us Dr. Tiff Thompson.

She's the creator of the School of Neurotherapy, an online educational platform offering specialized curricula in quantitative eeg, didactic training, board certification in neurotherapy, didactic training, and neuromodulation education.

Dr. Thompson is also the founder and owner of Neurofeed Neurotherapy, a Santa Barbara clinic where she addresses an array of conditions, including mental health, developmental trauma, brain injury, and neurodiverse issues.

Welcome, Dr. Tiff.

Thanks.

That's a nice intro.

Yeah, it is, right.

When someone else reads it and I'm like, whoa, that was.

I read it right before we came on here.

And I'm like, oh, this is a mouthful.

But I just want to say thank you for coming, first of all.

Yeah, lovely.

Thanks for having me.

You're welcome.

And I'm going to jump right in and talk a little bit because I actually just was speaking to some people yesterday on developmental trauma, and let's just jump right in there and talk a little bit about what that is and kind of how it affects us in later years.

And when you say development, what stages you're actually talking about?

I mean, developmental trauma is really sort of.

I would say the mainstream classification of it is under the age of 18.

And, you know, there's.

There's 10 categories according to the Adverse Childhood Experiences exam.

Right.

And I would.

I won't be able to rattle all 10 of them off, but I'll give you the.

The idea, right?

One is verbal abuse, right.

Psychological abuse, neglect, physical abuse, corporal punishment in excess, sexual abuse, molestation.

If one of your family members was incarcerated, right.

Imprisoned.

If somebody in your family had a mental illness, and if somebody in your family was addicted to substances.

And there's a few other questions that, you know, extend beyond that, but those are really the categories that can.

That can create the experience of developmental trauma.

And they're not.

It's not exclusively those.

There can, of course, be other experiences that traumatize youth.

But the long and short of it is that, you know, the more of these kinds of circumstances that we have in our lives as young people, the.

The more likely we are to experience a psychological or addictive dysfunction as a consequence, even health dysfunction as a consequence.

Yeah, I joke.

I did a whole episode on the Aces because I kind of joke and I say, Well, I had nine of the 10, but I only.

I would have had the 10 if they had known what was going on.

But I always kind of Joke.

I'd be like, I should be a 10 out of 10.

And I'm like, but look guys, I'm still here.

I'm still walking.

I'm still somewhat normal.

Like so, so what.

Why does this timing, like, especially.

Is there a specific, like, is it more important the before age 7 to teens?

I know they talk about the different stages of why it's so important that you don't have these traumas.

Well, let me tell you my perspective and then I'll touch on a couple studies.

But the earlier the trauma occurs, the more impactful you.

Right.

The more insidious it is.

So if you're an infant, if you're a brand new infant, you know, trauma that you've incurred from birth on, let's just say you were profoundly neglected.

That can have massive, massive implications.

Right.

Next would be then childhood, right first, then toddlerhood, then childhood.

You know, we get more resilient as we get older.

But it's not to say that were completely and totally resilient.

And we're still very malleable.

I mean, really up until age 25, really creating brain cells forever.

We are perpetually generating new brain cells from two regions of the brain.

One's called the dentate gyrus as part of the hippocampus, and then the other is, you know, the lining of the ventricles.

But you know, there have been studies that have sort of said, oh, these are the, these are the types of trauma that are the most impactful to these demographics.

And I can't remember the ages exactly.

I want to say like 8 to 10, roughly.

And for girls with moles and for boys, it is neglect.

And I believe those are studies by Teicher.

I can't be 100% positive.

Okay, so it definitely, I mean it's.

And it stands to reason because you really, up until what, seven you write.

So, you know, it's like I tell people all of those traumas are all sensitized.

Like they're all felt in, like they're just absorbed.

And you know, you look at your parents and I know I always use the example of like one parent who's standing over the crib and being like, oh, you're going to be so good, you're going to be so great.

You're going to, you know, be the president.

You're going to be all this.

And your body is like reading all these signs and reading all these tones and body language and everything is.

Even as an infant and you're a little more relaxed and calm and Then you have the other one that's laying over the crib that's literally looking in the crib going, I wish you had never been born.

Like you're, you know, all of that is so stored.

And it can only imagine that at that point, you can't process that.

Your brain can't.

Right.

It depends on what you mean by process.

I mean, there's a.

There's an integration and an embodiment that occurs.

Right?

There's an.

There's an edification and an identification with what's being told occurs.

Right?

And so.

And there are reasons as to why.

And so the.

The.

The frequencies that we are going to generating foremost as infants are very slow frequencies.

Underneath the age of five, we make quite a lot of delta content and some theta content.

And so Delta, in my mind at least, is.

It's akin to the collective unconscious, right?

But the white matter is myelinating at that point.

The white matter is the fiber tracks that connect the thalamus, the deep subcortical regions of the brain to the cortex.

And we are coming into being.

I mean, quite literally, we are developing new fiber paths.

The networks that form us are still really coming into form in the early, early months of life.

And so the malleability of us, of our.

Of our neural networks, of our.

Of our brains at that age makes us uniquely vulnerable.

But then under the age of seven, it's really.

It's really.

I would say nine would be a threshold.

And I sort of also would think about Noam Chomsky's language acquisition period, which ends at 12, but under the age of nine, still making a great deal of theta content.

And theta is reverie and daydream and fantasy and trance, but it also gives the world a magic hue.

And so as children, you know, in my opinion, at least, it's theta that allows for the magic of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

But it also makes us uniquely susceptible to the integration of the trauma.

Right.

That occurs.

And we.

You will literally see different neurological patterns, right.

And individuals who have been through developmental trauma.

So, and one of the questions I know you mentioned here was talk about what EEG presentations for trauma are like.

That's literally the brain.

Like, you're being.

You're very scientific.

So I want to get some of the science, because people don't hear the science part of it a lot.

They hear the layman's terms part of it.

So what is going on in the brain when there is trauma?

There's a handful of different ways it could Present, honestly.

And we're all different beings, and so we're all going to receive that trauma very differently.

There's a handful of markers of dissociation, and one that's actually considered neurotypical by a neurologist is called a mu rhythm.

And a mu rhythm is in the alpha range, and it arrives over the sensory motor cortex.

Just imagine you had a headband on your head, and at the left and the right side of the headband are regions that correspond to the contralateral sides of the bodies.

Right hand, left hand, right hand, and vice versa with the.

With the sensory motor cortex.

And so what we can learn to do, you know, is generate this alpha rhythm, which is called mu.

And I won't get into the why and this and the morphology and all the interesting pieces of it, because that's tmi.

But what it is is it's a dissociative mechanism.

It's a functional disengagement of the motor cortex, the sensory motor cortex.

So let's say that you have a parent that's pecking at you, that's just nagging you and, you know, wagging their finger and telling you you're terrible.

Unless that just happens all the time.

They are always berating you, right?

This is a defense mechanism.

It actually operates as a bit of a shield.

Right.

So the individual can learn how to dissociate by generating this particular pattern in the brain.

It's more of a pediatric pattern, but we can really instantiate, we can really cement that pattern as a means of, like, protecting self.

Right.

The other patterns of trauma, you know, of dissociation, are an anteriorized alpha and then anteriorized.

Right posterior temporal alpha content as well.

And so I'm talking a lot about alpha.

And it's not exclusively the only pattern.

There's.

There's a handful more that I could touch on.

But.

But alpha is really, truly a functional dissociation in the front of our, of our, of our brain.

The anterior cingulate, the old mammalian brain underneath the cortex, right?

You push and you would touch the old mammalian brain that's responsible for love and grief and attachment.

If you generate alpha from that part of your brain, you are shutting off that emotional center.

It's.

It can be a sort of deer in the headlights kind of checked out.

And it's usually when something quite traumatic has happened and it sort of blasts you out of your body.

And then there's a perceptual one at the right posterior temporal.

So those are a handful of different patterns.

But oftentimes, and this Is sort of what I've seen anecdotally for the past 15 years is, you know, sometimes we'll see centralized or bilateral, meaning both sides.

Like, it looks like it's a mirrored expression of slow content, theta content, if trauma occurred in childhood underneath the age of nine, and centralized delta content if trauma occurred in infancy.

So what I found, and you probably know this maybe from experience, maybe from your clients, when you are, when you are traumatized at a very young age, right?

You develop a sensory perception of what's going on around you.

Like you can read the.

Read the room.

You can read the vibrations of a room, right?

And a lot of folks that have early, early developmental trauma, at least what I've seen, have highly perceived conceptual intuitive capabilities.

Right?

A lot of these people are, you would call them clar, audient, cl.

Clair, sentient, clairvoyant, psychic.

But there's, there's.

There's silver linings that come with, with, with these experiences.

And also I've seen that individuals that are able to shift into a theta range, right?

A lot of healers are able to do this, and that's a whole separate topic.

They are more available as a. I'll just say a medium through which healing can occur.

So there's something about the opening of.

Of a channel, however you want to think about this.

Something about the opening of self to these deeper frequencies, these more subcortical frequencies that avail some special gifts to people that have been traumatized.

Well, I definitely can see where you're talking about with the hypersensitivity.

I mean, people have said that to me forever.

Like when I was in my teens or I was in college, I could walk into a room, literally like a networking type place, and I could get certain vibes off people and be like, yeah, no, I don't want to talk to them.

Yes, I do.

Like, I just got these vibes and people.

And then later, people be like, how did you know you.

Like, I wouldn't like them.

I'm like, I don't know how I knew.

But let me ask you a question, since I got you on here and you know, the whole science, the brain thing and all that stuff.

So I tend to say that I am a huge dissociator.

I have experiences where, like, when very traumatic things were happening in my younger years, I would watch it from outside my body.

And I used to be like, I literally could do it, like my son.

And even when I became an adult, my son put a knife through his hand one day and I rocked back and forth on the floor with him.

And I literally gave every single person in the room an instruction.

But while I was doing that, I was standing outside watching me rock him back and forth, giving everybody the instruction.

But I didn't remember it until much later.

Like they were like, wow, you were so calm.

When I had a stroke, same thing.

I stood outside my body and I watched myself what, what I was trying to say, what was in my brain and then what was coming out of my mouth.

So what is that?

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I, I would love to explain that neurologically and at the same time, I don't know if I can actually do it justice.

I mean, I do think that what you're describing is the phenomenon that happens to individuals who have dissociative identity disorder, right?

So in dissociative identity disorder, you know, in my opinion, and this is a theoretical interpretation of what's happening, but you have to leave your body.

You have to leave your body.

It's actually, it's actually a brilliant mechanism that we've been endowed with and we can think of it spiritually.

I think that for some that's really very comforting, this idea that, you know, we can escape.

So I think about that more from, from a spiritual perspective.

And if you look at sort of the lives and teachings of, you know, some of the great masters over time, there was the ability to transpose oneself in space and time.

Meaning you could be two places at once actually.

And so I don't know that what you're describing has ever been quantified or measured neurologically.

I mean, of course there's, you know, there's near death experiences, right, where individuals report, you know, floating above their body and, you know, they go, they go brain dead or the heart stops beating or that kind of thing.

But what I can say about did, right, Individuals that have come in with dissociative identity disorder is that they will.

You can see alters come in, you can see different, different profiles of different cells, right.

I always just was like, I don't know, it's just something that my body does because it need, like you said, it needs to.

When I was having very traumatic experiences when I was a young child, I.

There was no pain, there was, it was just watching kind of with a clean slate.

I actually did a, an interview with a gentleman who had a 13 year dissociative amnesia, amnesiac, whatever you call it.

He literally for 13 years was out writing articles and doing all kinds of things and really wasn't in.

He wasn't in.

He didn't know who he was, really.

Well, I don't say he didn't know who he was, but he was writing about his story.

When he came back 13 years later, his family had, like, lawsuits against him because he had published all these books about his story and his trauma.

And it was really interesting.

But I mean, the brain is amazing and complicated, but we need one.

I figured since I have you on here, I'll ask what your.

What your takeout was on that.

So do you.

You asked a question, and I love this because I wish we had all day to talk to you.

But knowing that, or you asked, is trauma fundamentally a biological problem or a psychological problem?

And if so, what do parents or caregivers need to know?

Or what do you think you want them to know?

So I'm going to repeat the question to make sure I understand.

Is trauma fundamentally a biological or a psychological problem?

Is that the question?

Yeah.

You.

Yeah.

It says, if trauma is fundamentally a biology problem as much as a psychology problem, what is the biggest thing you wish every parent, therapist or educator understood?

The mind and the brain are inextricably linked.

And what I'm saying is that the physiology, biology and the psychology are inextricably linked.

They're two sides of a coin.

And then the body and the mind are also linked.

I believe honestly, that there's the ability to heal a great deal.

For some cases of really severe trauma, it's pretty hard to come back.

But the modalities of addressing this kind of thing, you know, most of us know about therapy.

What I do, what I'm an expert in and beyond, beyond analysis, is different forms of multimodal stimulation, multimodal neurostimulation, or brain stimulation.

And so, you know, what my expertise is and what I teach people to do and what folks who use our system all over the planet do is they address the physiology, we address the biology.

Right.

Because you can, you can, you can address the psychology, you can address the mind, and that's great, but it's one side of the coin.

And if you find that patients keep going back to the way that they were, or an individual who's listening, who might be like, you know, I've done all the talk therapy in the world and I just can't do it anymore, chances are good that they've actually greased the skids for their biology to change.

But we use a non invasive stimulation system that we created to shift the biology.

And sometimes it moves pretty rapidly.

Right?

Yeah, that's.

I mean, half my podcast episodes are about how Everything is stored in the body and you can do all the talking you want, but if it's stored in your nervous system and it's firing rapidly, you can't talk yourself out of a full blown anxiety attack.

You know, it's like you have to calm that nervous system and that's biology.

That is literally your body firing or over firing or whatever that is.

So, I mean, yes, that's, I 100 agree.

And then it looks like, I mean, in just talking to you, you bring in the whole body, mind and spirit.

Like you talked about the spiritual side.

I don't know if you work with that at all or.

No.

Yes.

Yeah, no, I do actually, but I don't get asked about it very much.

I mean, may as well talk about it here.

Why not?

But I was doing something with my patients for a while, so I'm, I'm a true Aquarian in the sense that I, you know, I'm working with brain stimulation modalities that aren't really known about out there.

Very uni.

Customized modalities.

And I'm a psychotherapist.

Right.

My, my therapeutic training, I'm an lmft, a marriage and family therapist.

Was, was Jungian.

Right.

So depth and so that's very, oh gosh.

I mean, it's just, it's, it's spiritual innately in its own right, sort of, but, but not in any sort of religious sense.

I was doing something with my patients where I would lay them down on a very nice soft bed and I would use a very slow parasympathetic frequency, maybe a pediatric parasympathetic frequency, which is akin to an emdr.

Then I would dim the lights, put a soft blanket over them and sit next to them and move into a relaxation exercise, sort of a hypnosis, and blend all these things, but not with any real agenda, but just to move them through whatever might be coming through me, as silly as that sounds.

And I, I, I, I had a patient who came through later who had, did and I thought, gosh, you know, I should really learn how to do soul retrieval because of this patient.

And so I got a book on something called soul retrieval, not knowing what it was.

And when I, when I the book and read it, it was exactly what I had been doing and what I had already been doing.

I didn't know what to call this thing that I was doing.

And so, you know, that terminology isn't something that I'd necessarily throw out there.

We could call it whatever we want, you know, but if you believe that Time bends that it's not linear.

Right.

Which it isn't.

Right.

That we can go back and we can find ourselves, you know, then, Then, then this, this hopefully makes some sense.

And, and that is the spiritual aspect of what I do.

Yeah.

And that makes total sense.

I mean, I.

And like you said, there's so many modalities out there, but you hear a lot of them that are going back into the archives and going back into your different souls even, and all that stuff.

You know, it's.

It's fascinating.

I say a lot of people, and you either.

I truly believe.

You either believe it or you don't, and it doesn't matter.

You're not right or wrong either way.

But if you want to try something new or explore something new, you kind of have to be open to the fact that it is a thing, or else energetically, you're just expelling it anyway.

You know, you're.

You're not bringing it in.

That's my thinking.

So people that are like, oh, you carry a crystal.

I don't believe in that.

I'm like, then don't go get yourself a crystal.

Yeah, for sure.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

You know, there's no right or wrong,

you know, like, I love that you have that perspective.

I think that's true.

I think there's many, many, many, many, many shades of gray.

And thank God for subjective perspective.

I mean, even some of my daughter went to a naturopath doctor.

Even some of the things they did on me, on her, which now I do on a regular basis for myself and my friends and whoever I would have thought was, ooh, like, because I didn't know, you know, muscle testing and just different things and, you know, you talk about frequencies.

I do a lot with frequencies now.

And, you know, people are like, well, where's the data?

I'm like, well, I don't have exact quotes, but I will find you research that shows frequencies do certain things.

You know, I mean, it's just, it's.

There's so much and, and none of it's.

I don't want to say none of it's new.

I think that we humans endogenously have within our nervous systems the ability actually to heal ourselves.

Now, I'm not saying snap your fingers and make it happen.

It's that easy, but.

But I, I don't think that.

I don't think that.

I don't think that these things would happen without the ability to somehow address them, you know, and so someday, maybe it's a thousand years down the road, right?

We'll be able to do this to one another without any equipment.

Right.

You hear these stories of people that had stage four this, and they healed themselves and they can tell you what I did, and.

And that's their experience.

And by golly, let them live.

It's a fun concept for me.

And I love the.

I don't know how you do the brain stimulation thing.

I don't know if it's like electrodes or if it's frequency, if it's noise.

I'm not sure how you do it, but it's interest.

Very interesting to me.

Yeah, it's a multimodal blend.

And so frequencies for sure.

Right.

When I teach, I talk about hero ingredients.

So we work with frequencies.

We work with.

I love that you said noise.

Something called pink noise and brown noise stimulation, which is an audible.

It's not audible, but we work with noise.

We work with direct current stimulation, tdcs.

We work with pulsed electromagnetic field stimulation and photobiomodulation.

And so it's like a recipe.

Right.

So you come in, you have your own unique signature.

You want to work on these things.

And, you know, and your system, your unique system wants something particular just for it.

And that's the nature of this work, right.

Is it's really customized to the individual.

Very interesting.

And you practice virtually or in real life, or everything is in real life.

Yeah, I mean, I.

Together, yeah.

People come and sit down in front of me, you know, and we have clinicians all over the planet that use our system, which is called neurofield, and we do trainings all over the planet for clinicians who are interested in, you know, computational neuroanalysis, which is looking at brains and how they behave and.

And.

And then figuring out what to do with them.

So it's actually a really good.

Any.

Any mental healthcare practitioner who's interested in neuroscience.

This is.

This is sort of the bridge between neurology and psychology.

Right.

This is stuff.

And I think that bridge is.

It's important and so important that it keeps bridging.

You know, there used to be.

My mother was a child psychiatrist, but that was, what, 30, 30, 40 years ago or say.

And it just seemed, you know, and it.

It just seemed.

It was all the mind, the mind, the mind.

You didn't.

There wasn't as much science behind it back then.

I mean, at least from what I knew watching her and, you know, watching the whole process.

But I love it.

I think it's.

I think it's so important.

I mean, when they show you a brain scan of a child that certain part of their brain is shut off or smaller.

That's science.

That's.

That's indisputable.

You know, I mean, so it's.

So, yeah, yeah, take that information and do something with it, you know, so.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, there's.

There's a lot of studies on that kind of thing.

How the.

There's a white matter collar that surrounds the corpus callosum and it's.

And it's thinned.

It's thinned.

And individuals who have developmental trauma.

And so what this.

This region does, right, Anterior is it inhibits the.

The firing amygdala, right?

Which is a very popular part of the brain which is responsible for a great many things, but fundamentally fight orf flight.

Right.

And so when we have the.

Basically the brake pedal for amygdala firing worn down the brake pad, then that individual is more prone, right.

To having very large startle reactions and startle responses.

Right.

And the other piece, I mean, there's so many.

But one other very interesting thing about the neurology of trauma and the neurobiology of trauma is that we seek out what is familiar, right?

And what is familiar is it's called default mode in.

In, you know, network theory.

And so you have a default mode experience, and that is your experience of self, right?

Just kind of like hanging out, doing your thing, whatever.

So if you were raised in an environment that was quite chaotic and that.

That's familiar.

Fam.

Like family default mode, right.

Then that individual, especially if they haven't done any.

Any work later in life, they will seek out experiences like prostitution or shoplifting or getting into fights or violent relationships.

Because that is familiar.

That is akin to their default mode, right.

That was trained early on.

And the opposite, I. E. You know, just calm, peaceful, relaxed, hanging.

That might be more uncomfortable for them.

It's not their natural state of resting.

Oh, I remember the first time I started going through that and I.

First time, like, I met a normal, healthy relationship type guy and I was like, oh, this does not.

It was very uncomfortable being.

When I was in my early 20s, it was.

I was definitely wired for that adrenaline rush.

It's like if I didn't have the adrenaline running through my body, I was not happy.

And I used to joke and say every time I had.

That's why I worked so hard.

I was a chronic worker when I was young.

Every time I stopped working, I get sick.

So every time I took three days off, yeah.

Anytime I took a vacation, I was violently sick the entire vacation.

So I just stopped Taking them.

I never took more than two days off in a row because the third day I would be sick.

And I didn't know what that was, but I assumed it was because my body was so used to being up, up, up, up, up, up, you know, working three jobs, going to school, stressing about this work, you know, afraid of this.

That when I slowed down, my body was like, okay, I can finally do what it's meant to do.

And it was.

Doing whatever it was doing is interesting.

Well, yeah.

I mean, what a tremendous amount of resilience as well.

Because if you're in that space all the time that go, go, go, go, go, go, go, you know, you're probably also cheating your immune system a little bit, you know, weakening it, chewing it away, wearing it down.

Right.

And so the resilience of warding off germs or, you know, illness in the.

Letting down your, your system.

Yeah.

That potentially was able to get sick.

That's interesting.

Yeah, it was, it was funny.

And I, it's.

I'm not the first one that said that.

A lot of my clients have said, oh, yeah, I remember.

I, I do that.

Yeah.

So it's like, you know, you learn.

But wow, this has been super fun.

So, so people want to work with you.

It's.

You said your people are all over the world, but how do they work directly with you or what?

Right, right, right.

So.

So, so we, and I say we because my husband is the other side of this equation and he's an awesome, cool guy.

So we were in Santa Barbara, California.

We have a clinic called Neurofield.

Neurofield Neurotherapy.

And people fly in, actually from all over.

An intensive is usually about two weeks.

And it's exciting because we get to quantify the changes.

Right.

In two weeks we get to see the subjective and emotional changes, behavioral changes, but then we get to quantify them over the course of time.

So that's an option.

And then for clinicians who listen to your show, mental health care practitioners, or the school is called the School of Neurotherapy and that's online.

And some brick and mortar teachings as well.

And so there's a whole bunch of curricula.

I mean, lots of courses on the school.

Okay.

And then the best places just to

go to neurofieldneurotherapy.com or neurofeel.com that's the hardware software that we create.

It's called Neurofield.

Right.

Okay.

And so any, any variation of Neurotherapy or Neurofeed will probably find your way to us.

It's a really exciting field as up and coming.

And, you know, I think it's going to change.

I think it's going to change the way we work with mental health for real, you know, in the future.

I 100% agree.

And I think it's love.

I think it's amazing.

And I love what you do.

So kudos to you people.

Got a very detailed and scientific explanation for a lot of the stuff that we talk.

Like I said, we talk about it in layman's terms, but we haven't really gotten deep into the science behind it.

I mean, a little bit here and there, but not like you did.

Before you go, if you could give the listeners one piece of advice or words of wisdom or just a final thought, what would it be today?

Well, I mean, as you're saying that, you know, this may sound.

I don't know how this might sound, but it really is to.

To allow what is right, to not fight what is happening or what is reality, and instead to accept what is so that we can then begin to move towards what we want.

And I think a lot of times it starts out with accepting who we are, who they are, so on and so forth.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, sounds great.

So thank you again so much for coming on.

I appreciate it.

And for everybody else out there, you heard it.

Don't fight it.

Just accept it for what it is and know that you are so worth anything and every step you make towards having a better reality.

So go get it.

So thank you.

Have a blessed day.

Okay, thanks.

Bye.