Welcome to another episode of the Data Debrief, the companion show to Driven by Data: The Podcast, where host Catherine Dowden-King and, this time, special guest Nirali Patel, unpack Tuesday's episode, share what's been on their minds, and explore the realities of leadership, culture, and capability across the data and AI landscape.

This week, Catherine and Nirali reflect on the conversation with JoAnn Stonier, Lara Izlan and Abbi Agana, diving deeper into what it actually takes to step into a NED role, where your mindset needs to go, and how your patience may be your best asset.