Laura and Xhafer may be sick and tired, but all the more reason to chat BSG with friends. Laura calls out Starbuck's toxic masculinity. Xhafer gives a shoutout to his spreadsheet homies. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 3, Episode 5: Collaborators.

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Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two, almost sick,

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very tired friends who are gonna watch

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I'm Jair

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and

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is everything.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: Um, now I think,

are you, are you sick?

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'cause I was talk, Beths had said you

were feeling a little under the weather.

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Laura: I was,

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: Evie came down with,

you know, standard issue

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daycare, cold on like Thursday.

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Woke up very stuffy on Friday

and I like made it through

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all my morning shit on Friday.

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And then the second my morning shit was

over and I was like sitting in the office

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by myself for a moment, I went, oh no.

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It's like I feel it in the back

of my throat where the sinuses

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strain, it's starting to come on.

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And I was like texting Aaron.

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I had one more afternoon

thing I had to get done.

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I was like, you need to go to

the pharmacy stat, get all of the

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homeopathic bunk you could find.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And you know, I'll take

the vitamin C and the zinc and

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the whatever and also get DayQuil.

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'cause like when my sinuses go

bad, DayQuil is what keeps me

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Xhafer: DayQuil King, a hundred percent.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So he got the, the combo stuff.

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But I hit it pretty hard with

that zinc and vitamin C early on.

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And by this afternoon I was like, you

know what I think, I think I'm okay now.

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So yeah, I feel a lot better.

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How about yourself?

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Xhafer: I am definitely

like weather change.

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Ill not actually Ill, I'm like mostly EP.

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I've drank two liters of Gatorade today

and I still feel a little dehydrated.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, like my knee is killing me.

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Like I have an old knee injury that when

there's big pressure changes I feel in

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my knee arthritis style and my knee is

in, is in pain from that, just casual.

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Um, so it's just like, I'm just grumpy.

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It's that, and it's just like the

last three weeks have been this giant

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unending snowball of things happening.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, since we've, God, 'cause

we last recorded a minute ago.

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Laura: I know.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, so in, since we've last

recorded, I have officiated two weddings,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: been chosen for a thing

to present to my CEOs, built

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the thing to present to my CEOs.

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Presented to my CEOs,

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: my furnace broke,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: my mom sold her house and

I've helped her pack and move.

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Laura: Goodness.

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Xhafer: And then my best friend closed

on a condo, and I have been helping

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him finish his floors for two weeks.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: All of that in

the last three weeks,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Just in time for the holidays too.

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Xhafer: right?

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I'm so tired.

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I've been so tired and I'm, it's like

I'm better, like as long as I get a good

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night's rest, I can make it through a day.

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But I'm in desperate need of a vacation

and I have one around the corner.

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Not this upcoming weekend,

but the weekend after.

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I'm going to Pax Unplugged in

Philadelphia for the weekend and I've

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got a couple days and I'm gonna be

hanging out playing board games all

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weekend at that board game convention.

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And then the weekend after is Thanksgiving

and I have a five day that weekend.

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So a plus I'll manage, I'll

get there, but really looking

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forward to that stuff right now.

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Laura: yeah.

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I had a couple of days there where

I was trying to cram in a literature

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review for one of my seminars

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: that I didn't get like

more than five hours of sleep

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for a couple nights in a row.

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And I am not a good person when

I get less than mm, six or seven.

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So I feel you.

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I am ready for a break,

but I do not get one until.

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Sometime mid-December.

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Xhafer: Yeah, you've got finals

around the corner, I'm sure.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Working on another important

literature review now.

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So I did make progress today,

so I do not feel guilty about

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being here at this moment.

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Xhafer: Good.

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You shouldn't feel guilty about

taking an hour to talk to a

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friend about a sci-fi TV show.

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Laura: I know.

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Xhafer: Just 'cause we happen to record.

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It doesn't mean you

should feel bad about it

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Laura: right?

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Xhafer: anything besides a

conversation with a friend.

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Laura: Exactly.

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Yeah.

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My many friends who are

all here at this moment.

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Xhafer: yes, the the one that

could respond to you and then

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everyone else who's listening to

it at some point in the future.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But usually I hear about it a

little bit in the discord, so that's

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Xhafer: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Episode release stays

always fun in the discord.

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Laura: yeah.

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So what episode are we

here to talk about today?

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Xhafer: season three, episode five.

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Collaborators.

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And I want you to know, I tried for like

15 minutes to make a regulators joke.

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And I just, I couldn't find a good one.

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So Discord, give us your best, Warren

g, Nate, Dogg, regulators get in the

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Laura: this one's a freebie.

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You all can toss it at us.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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All right.

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Well, we open in media

airlock as Jamer Stan's trial.

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Laura: Yeah.

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The circle they call themselves.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Uh, Saving Cali is not enough as

Tyro gives the gladiator thumbs down.

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Laura: Yeah, we, we find out that

Tyrell gets to know the whole thing.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So, um, the circle is Saul,

Tyrell, Anders, Selix, and Connor.

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Xhafer: And Jean?

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Laura: Okay.

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I was like, there's a sixth one.

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'cause they make it very important

that they be six of them.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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So yeah, it's the three

resistance leaders.

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Ty Tiro, Anders

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: who is a resistance fighter.

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She was a deckhand.

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Uh, She was the field medic on cobol,

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Laura: Yes.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: uh, During that whole thing.

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But she's just taken basic medic training.

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I read her Wikipedia page about it because

it was, I wanted to make sure, because her

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and Jean kind of look similar and they're

doing similar things in this episode, and

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I wanted to make sure I didn't fuck it up.

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Laura: And nobody's

wearing a fucking name tag.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, Jean effectively is in some scenes

because she is another Capric Buccaneer,

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she was on the uh, the Pyramid team.

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So sometimes she wears Buck's gear

instead of Ency gear, and it's a

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little bit easier to tell them apart.

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Laura: It's the first time we've

seen this Connor guy though, right?

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Xhafer: no, but it's the first

time he's had like lines.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Um, he was in Sam's

Resistance cell on Caprica,

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but we never saw him before.

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New Caprica.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: So he's, he's a relatively

new character in terms of like, he's

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someone that you might reme vaguely

remember seeing around and doing stuff.

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He was in other episodes this

season, but he was not in

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anything before a new Caprica.

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Laura: Gotcha.

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Connor also tells us he

had a, like 9-year-old son,

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Xhafer: Yeah, he had a baby boy.

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Well, not a baby, but like

an elementary age school son.

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Laura: Oh, I, I see.

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I wrote in my notes it's

seven, 7-year-old son,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Who

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died new Caprica.

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I,

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Laura: at the hands of si in one of

their raids, so he's got a real beef.

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Tyrell in this thing

is kind of restrained.

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He's like, okay, I'll hear you out.

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He hears out the story about Callie,

like, I cut her bonds, I told her to run.

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Uh, I'm the one who saved her

and it didn't matter to Tyrell.

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He's like, well, you know, would they say

20 something people died in that one raid?

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Ca.

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Saving Kelly doesn't save

you from murdering 20 people.

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Laura: Right.

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Right.

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And he, he doesn't, he can't

articulate whether or not he

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was part of any of that killing.

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Like Darrell is al he's willing to hear

like, did you kill any of those people?

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And if you tell me no, maybe, maybe

things are gonna be different, but

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jamer iss not gonna lie and say, I

definitely didn't kill those people.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: he doesn't know.

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Xhafer: he was too crazy.

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Doesn't know if he killed anyone.

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That's fucked.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is, we already start

to see like the cracks here.

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Anders is not pleased

with this whole thing.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Andrews is pretty upset.

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He is spaghetti.

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He wants to just fucking relax for a day.

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But you know, he doesn't get time off.

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I empathize.

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Laura: Same.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: It's been three days since

the second exodus, which they refer

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to it as the second exodus, which

surprises me because I think they

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would call it the third exodus.

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'cause there was that whole

thing where they had to leave

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COBOL and form the colonies.

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So this would be the third time

you've had to flee a planet as a

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species.

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But you know, I guess we'll talk

about that more in a minute when

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we talk about the timeframes when

we get to our survivor count.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Some

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Xhafer: a page of notes about this.

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Laura: a page of notes about the

timeframe or the survivor count

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Xhafer: Yes.

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There they go hand in hand.

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Laura: Okay.

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All right.

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We get Tyrell going back to a very crowded

bunk where Cali's holding the baby,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: and he asks her, which this is

wild to me, talking about timeframe,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: asks her, Hey, did anybody help you

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Xhafer: Like a week ago

when you almost got shot up.

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Laura: Right, because

Callie's been like rescued.

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There was, there was at least like a day

in between Callie's rescue and the Exodus.

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So how did this not come up yet?

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She's running from the silos.

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Everyone else is in bonds,

not running from the cys.

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You should have asked her beforehand.

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How did you do it?

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How did you get away?

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How were you running at us?

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It is absolutely wild that

they have not talked about this

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Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

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Laura: And she's like, I don't

know, probably somebody helped me.

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Which telling me that's not burned

into your brain, that somebody took the

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zip ties off you and told you to run.

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Xhafer: trauma.

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She also ran the wrong way and was

immediately rescued by the chief,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: so like,

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Laura: I don't know.

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It would be burned in my little brain that

like, holy shit, somebody did help me.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: And uh, she's

like, oh, why do you ask?

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And he's realizing that yeah,

Jamer really did do that.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Jabber was so there for her.

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Whoops.

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Laura: But this, this conversation

should have happened back on new capa.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: It it, regardless of the three

days that they've been on the ship,

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that it also could have happened.

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Like, no, I, I was pretty

like, this is bonkers.

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Is it stupid or is it od?

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I don't know.

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It's bonkers.

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Xhafer: It's bonkers.

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We go to theme and we

finally get a survivor count.

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It's been five episodes,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: 41,435.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Did you go back and look at

the survivor count from season two,

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episode 19 or 20, whatever it was,

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Laura: Immediately, yes.

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Xhafer: 49,550.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Now we have a lot of time here.

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Laura: Sure.

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Xhafer: There was a year on new Caprica

before the cylon showed up, and then the

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silent occupation was almost 140 days.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: the last survivor

count that 49,000 was day 280.

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Laura: And that was before, Cloud nine

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Xhafer: yes.

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Yeah.

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That factors into this.

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This is day 800.

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It has been 17 months since

our last survivor count.

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: more time has passed in the

last five episodes than passed in

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the two seasons of the show previous,

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well, counting the time jump for the year,

obviously when they landed on new capric.

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Cut all that stuff from

the season two finale.

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So some other nerds did a lot more

Math here, and I wanna shout out all

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my Excel sci-fi nerd homies who did.

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All of this math.

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but looking there, there was like

a group of people who they figured

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out Astral Queen, they used the

Caprica City population, the

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other ships that were impacted.

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All of these other little tidbits of

information we've gotten about the

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population to get to a number of 6,150

people were killed in the Astro Queen Nuke

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Laura: The Cloud nine nuke.

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Xhafer: or Cloud nine Nuke.

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Sorry.

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Yeah.

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Not the Astro Queen.

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That's the prison ship.

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Not the pleasure ship.

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To be fair to me, Astro Queen

does sound like it could be the

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name of a Cloud nine style ship.

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Laura: Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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But Cloud Nine's definitely more overt.

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Um, so sorry.

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Yeah.

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Not astral Queen.

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Cloud nine blew up.

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Laura: So 6,000 people

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Xhafer: 6,150 people blew up in that.

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We have a population drop of 8,115.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Adama tells us that several

thousand people were left behind

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on new CAPA in this episode,

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Laura: Right?

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Xhafer: which we know is we're

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not think about it too much.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: And we don't know, like that gap

there because there's at least a 45 person

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gap to be under 2000 people right now with

the amount of death on the Astro Queen.

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That's Babies

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Laura: Cloud nine,

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Xhafer: Cloud.

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Fuck, cloud nine.

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I keep saying astral queen.

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I don't know why.

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The Cloud nine, the

difference there is babies.

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We don't know how many babies were

born in these 17 months, but it's a

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minimum of several hundred to make

all of the other numbers in the show

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work going forward and backward.

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Laura: that's a lot of babies.

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Xhafer: It's 17 months.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: And given you've got a

population that is mostly not minors

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because if we remember back when I

did the math in our election episode,

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Laura: Yeah, we had a lot of voters.

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Xhafer: yeah, knowing the voting

population and the population of

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the fleet at the time, only 5.1%

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of them are under voting age,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: which is presumably 18,

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Laura: Right?

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Xhafer: not necessarily.

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It could be 16, it could be 20.

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Who fucking knows?

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Um, it could be 14.

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Maybe they really like getting their

youth involved in their democracy.

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Laura: Yikes.

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Xhafer: I wouldn't trust a 14-year-old

voting, but I'm not a part of a

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spacefaring society, so fuck me.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Probably won't be at this point either.

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So

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Xhafer: didn't Bezos test

something to go to Mars today?

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Or some shit?

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Laura: He could go to Mars.

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That would be fine.

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Xhafer: I feel like that

solves some problems.

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Laura: can, I can name a few people.

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He should take with him actually.

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Xhafer: great.

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Yeah.

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Um,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So 45 kind of unaccounted for, right?

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Xhafer: a, a minimum of 45 babies.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Minimum.

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Gotcha.

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Xhafer: It's likely several hundred more.

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Laura: One thing that they told us in

this episode, it's a little bit farther

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down, is that a couple, like a dozen

13 people have just gone missing.

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We know

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they got off, huh?

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Xhafer: Next episode.

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Laura: They're counted

in the next episode.

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That was what I was gonna

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Xhafer: the, the count drops 13

between this episode and next episode,

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Laura: Okay.

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So we know those are the

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Xhafer: we didn't see anyone else die.

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So those are the 13 deaths.

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Yeah.

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Laura: We did like a fleet wide census and

every ship counted all their people and

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immediately reported that in on day one.

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And then, yeah,

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Xhafer: Yep.

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We're already

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Laura: 13 somewhere.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Somewhere.

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Xhafer: We come back from theme to what

is the worst scene in this TV show.

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That's not true, but it's up on the list.

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It's

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Laura: okay.

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You watch, you watch

the whole theme, right?

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And all the little like vignettes

they put in from the episode

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to make you go, oh my gosh,

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it's so

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Xhafer: Stuff's happening.

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Yeah.

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Laura: I've gotta keep watching, you know?

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Oh my God.

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One of the like, last things that they

put on was Rosalyn going to kiss Gaas,

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and they just like immediate, they were

like, we gotta rip this bandaid right off,

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because that is gonna be hella confusing.

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And it was,

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Xhafer: it was.

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So yeah, we come back from theme

and Baltar is being forgiven by

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Rosalyn Pama and the Saul cops.

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But six PT shows up to shit on that.

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And this is when Gaia's

mommy issues surface.

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Laura: Yes.

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So six PT is, is yelling

about them forgiving Gais.

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That's interesting.

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And then, yeah, Rosalyn goes to

kiss Gais like romantically for

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some reason in his mind.

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And I was like, oh.

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So we're just gonna add

like Oedipus in here.

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Xhafer: Just a little,

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Laura: Just a little

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Oedipus.

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Xhafer: He probably sees her as

more of a rival than a mommy.

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Laura: But she show mommy

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Xhafer: She's show mommy for sure.

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But I mean, characters like Lee,

she is actu like, she is a basically

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supplanted mommy at this point.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Characters like Gais.

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I don't think that he feels

maternal with her at all,

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Laura: No, she's something else to him.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: but he wakes up on

the psychoanalyst couch.

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He's got like a velvet couch

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: room.

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We've got the red light pulsing

all around the room at about,

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you know, waist height or so

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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What's up with this?

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Uh, My notes say, is it

stupid interior designer?

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Is it cylon?

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Laura: I think the show wants

me to think that this is like

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the blood of the ship pulsing

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It's doing the back and

forth, like the eyes.

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So is it, is it like their camera?

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Is it their, the camera

in the room to watch him?

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Laura: I mean they don't even need it.

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'cause they have a BattleBot we

find out, stationed right there

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that is just staring at gaas and has

been presumably for all three days.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Just been watching him sleep.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Speaking of sleep, we cut over to the

Galactica where Kara can't sleep and

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hey, Starbucks does the same thing

to me after 3:00 PM so I get it.

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Laura: Yeah, me too.

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I, I got old.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Andrews is worried about her since she's

only listening to Warren seven these days,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: and it is just bad news bears.

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Laura: she's pulled her

gear back outta storage.

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She's going back to work.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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She's gonna try, she's a hundred

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Laura: till she cuts her hair.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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I mean, she's always the person

who buries herself in work instead

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of deals dealing with her shit.

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So,

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Laura: Seems like a good time for that.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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I mean, there's plenty

of work to go around.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: President Tom Zurich meets with

Rosalyn to go over the Gerald Fording

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of her ascendancy to the presidency,

again, meaning she will once again be

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president without winning on election.

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Laura: Oh yeah, that's true.

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Xhafer: It is something I will

remind you of many, many times

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because she forgets constantly.

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Laura: Yeah.

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the, this whole thing, I think

it was mentioned at some point

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is gonna take like 60 days.

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Like he's gonna step down

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Xhafer: It is gonna take no,

it's gonna take three days.

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Laura: Oh, he's committed to three days.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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That's why the timeline, if the

circle in one of their meetings

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says they only have three days to

finish all of their judgments and

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executions, that's because that's

when Baltar's president or not Baltar,

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that's when Zurich's presidency ends

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Laura: yeah, Ballar presidency

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Xhafer: Brent has

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Laura: a little, cooked.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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So EK's like, yep.

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Well get the quorum together in

three days and the quorum of 12.

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I will nominate you as my vice president.

520

They will approve you.

521

I will step down.

522

They'll swear you in as president.

523

Laura: Okay.

524

Okay.

525

I was like, there's some voting

involved, but it is not the vote

526

of the people that gets her in.

527

Xhafer: Now this is a

Senate confirmation hearing,

528

Laura: Yeah.

529

Xhafer: much like what happened with

Gerald Ford and replacing Spear Agnew.

530

Laura: That's fun.

531

That's fun.

532

Yeah.

533

So he's surprisingly willing

to let this power go.

534

I was really surprised it was

happening this quickly and easily.

535

Xhafer: he's made it clear that Adama's

made it clear that he won't be president,

536

Laura: Yeah.

537

He won't be able to do anything

'cause Adama will not work for him.

538

Xhafer: just airlock

his ass if he needs to.

539

I feel like, um, I mean, he's part of the

administration of traitors, so you know.

540

I feel like that's a pretty easy

sell, even though he did immediately

541

get put in jail and almost died

because he was like, fuck you gais.

542

That's not what we're doing.

543

Laura: right,

544

Xhafer: So,

545

Laura: right.

546

I could see that, like people

would just easily write it off as

547

like, oh yeah, you have to do that.

548

Right?

549

Xhafer: yeah.

550

Laura: yeah.

551

Xhafer: Yeah.

552

When when you have a terrible DES

president who just rolls over to

553

foreign adversaries constantly, his vice

president just has to be included in that.

554

Laura: Mm-hmm.

555

Xhafer: So, yeah.

556

Laura: It's really unfortunate, but Yeah.

557

it's

558

Xhafer: That's how it goes.

559

But uh, Rosalyn's all like, Hey, I mean,

I know you were good, Tom, and so he asked

560

for a place in the administration and

roslyn's all like you were courageous.

561

You stood up to ballar.

562

The people can use that.

563

You could be my vice president.

564

So we're gonna have President

Roslyn and Vice President Zurich

565

still always the bridesmaids.

566

Tom, you get six days of presidency.

567

Just a little

568

taste.

569

Laura: Well, you know, I think he

certainly, if he is genuine in all

570

of his uniformity does need to do

like a little bit of an internship to

571

work, work, earn some respect back.

572

You know,

573

Xhafer: for sure.

574

Laura: this is, this is totally fair.

575

Um, I, I had no problems

with this at this point

576

anyway.

577

But you know, who's got some problems?

578

Xhafer: Ty

579

Laura: SA tie.

580

Xhafer: Gada shows up to help repair

shit and CIC and Ty loses his shit.

581

Laura: Yeah.

582

Yeah.

583

I mean, again, trauma, right?

584

Um, but I don't know why Saul.

585

Doesn't go quicker to like, we got some

really juicy, important stuff from that

586

mole that was in the silent government

587

Xhafer: Yeah.

588

Laura: and like

589

he was pretty like, Hmm,

could he have been the mole?

590

Like Saul never even considers it.

591

Xhafer: Yeah.

592

Well, I mean, Saul is angry.

593

Yeah.

594

I mean, he went through some shit.

595

Uh, He does throw a straight helo

for being a quote toaster Fracker.

596

Laura: Oh, I've, I

totally missed that one.

597

But yeah, you're right.

598

Helo did try to like

599

Xhafer: Well, Hilo was the XO of

Galactica for the last 17 months.

600

Laura: true.

601

Xhafer: He's, he was the XO

since the asylum genocide.

602

Hilo has had, got more reps at

his as Galactic XO than salty

603

Laura: Yeah.

604

Xhafer: statement.

605

Laura: Fact statement and like he

had all that time on Galactica.

606

Galactica came back for you and did

a competent job, a decent job at it.

607

Xhafer: Yeah,

608

Laura: maybe,

609

Xhafer: doesn't matter because you

know, he's involved with Sharon.

610

But I am just wondering how, up until

this point, we have not had a single

611

thing along the line of Helo fucks a

blow up doll or some other thing where

612

they refer to her as a sex toy for him.

613

Laura: Mm-hmm.

614

Xhafer: And I'm wondering if maybe the

thing the reboot decided to keep from

615

Mormonism in the, from the original

series is the sexual repression.

616

Laura: Hmm.

617

Xhafer: And that's just why we

haven't gotten a joke like that.

618

Because frankly I would expect something

like that from this crew at this point.

619

Laura: Yeah.

620

Or Pegasus crew should have made

it if nothing else, like Pegasus

621

crew was pretty, pretty awful.

622

Yeah.

623

Hey, you just reminded me Sharon exists.

624

What the hell happened to Sharon?

625

We're Sharon,

626

Xhafer: She

627

Laura: wasn't in this episode.

628

Xhafer: wasn't in this episode.

629

Laura: Yeah.

630

Okay.

631

Xhafer: Well, she was doing double duty,

playing two characters for a couple.

632

So maybe, maybe that's how uh, it

works with the screen actor skill.

633

I don't know.

634

Laura: yeah, like there's

enough going on here.

635

Like you can just, I mean, I didn't

notice till you said her name and

636

then I was like, wait a second.

637

Yeah.

638

But Daddy Adama happens to come in during

this like whole business and uh, he.

639

Kinda takes Saul by the arm and

says, Hey buddy, you seem tired.

640

Xhafer: Maybe fuck off.

641

Laura: yeah.

642

I mean, Thomas is trying to like do the

graceful thing of like, we need this to

643

stop, you know, and I'm trying to save

your face 'cause I need people to listen

644

to you, but not when you're super angry.

645

I need you to be kind of chill.

646

Xhafer: Yeah.

647

I mean, sometimes you gotta

tell your friends to fuck off.

648

It's, they're, they're not

gonna help the situation for

649

themselves or for anyone else.

650

Laura: Mm-hmm.

651

That's this, that's this

652

whole deal.

653

So.

654

One thing that I've been joking

about, I can't remember if I've joked

655

about it on Pod or just with Aaron,

656

is that I know the boxing

episode is in this season.

657

I know it's not far.

658

I don't think, I can't

659

Xhafer: It, it is not far.

660

It is before a movie break.

661

Laura: Okay, good.

662

So I was like, obviously the point

of the boxing episode is to like

663

resolve these feelings, right?

664

We're gonna have a lot of feelings

for a few episodes and then we're

665

gonna at least surface level

resolve some of them with boxing.

666

Yeah.

667

And I was like, so is like everybody

in the main cast gonna box somebody.

668

And then I was coming up with like,

we need the training montage of like

669

Leah dama teaching Rosalyn how to throw

a punch so she can fight Zurich and.

670

Xhafer: Okay.

671

Well, you've named two characters that I

don't believe box, but it's been a long

672

Laura: Oh, damn.

673

I really want everyone

to box like someone.

674

Obviously Starbuck and Lee need

to like box each other in my mind.

675

Or maybe Anders and Lee.

676

Ooh, maybe it's Anders and

Lee and Starbuck and Dee.

677

Ooh, I don't know.

678

who's Saul gonna hit?

679

Saul's gotta hit somebody.

680

He's gotta

681

Xhafer: hit somebody.

682

I mean, Starbuck even says in this

episode that she has to hurt somebody.

683

Laura: yeah,

684

Xhafer: So

685

Laura: I am.

686

I am interested.

687

Everyone on Galactica

boxing, everybody else.

688

Xhafer: It is.

689

It is more episodes away than

you might be thinking, but it is.

690

We'll get there before Christmas.

691

You'll get to open a Christmas

present and find out who boxes who

692

put it on your Advent calendar.

693

Laura: Excellent, excellent.

694

Yeah.

695

So, before he leaves,

before he finally fucks off,

696

Saul says like, Hey, I'm not gonna

forget this to Adama and leaves.

697

And I was like, oh, it's bad business.

698

I

699

Xhafer: telltale Saul will remember

this shows up in the top left corner.

700

Yeah.

701

Laura: yeah, I don't, I don't want

daddy and uncle to fight 'cause I do

702

believe daddy can take down uncle.

703

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

704

Uh, we cut over to the circle after this.

705

This is where they mention

that three days left timeframe

706

as they find another guilty.

707

And Connor is very laissez-faire here.

708

And it's just all like, throw

'em all out the fucking airlock.

709

They're all collaborators.

710

Fuck 'em all.

711

And Ty is just all like, no,

712

Laura: Yeah.

713

Xhafer: this is due process.

714

We're taking this seriously.

715

Fuck

716

Laura: Yeah.

717

This is a version of

due process, I suppose.

718

Xhafer: this is, this is as much

due process as we're willing to give

719

these people, which is something we

will talk about in a little bit, but.

720

Laura: Yeah.

721

Saul has at least been like given

his rules and he's gonna follow

722

those rules this time, so, okay.

723

Xhafer: But as they're going through

uh, gada comes up next here and Ty is

724

just riding hard for guilty, but they

discuss a complete lack of evidence

725

that Gada actually did anything.

726

Laura: Right.

727

Saul and Anders are, are really

going at each other here.

728

Um, Saul says that, well, he knew

Callie was on the death list 'cause

729

we, he signed, he signed something

that came with the death list.

730

So he saw that and he knew And you

guys got the deathless too, right?

731

Xhafer: right?

732

You keep bringing up all this stuff

that you knew that he touched, and

733

it's all stuff that he gave you.

734

Laura: Exactly.

735

Xhafer: do anything.

736

Laura: I was like, Saul, you, you were

such, you were doing the leadership

737

and, but you just got them blind spots.

738

Oh, I made myself sad

739

Xhafer: Oh

740

Laura: 'cause I said blind

spots and he did lose an eye.

741

Oh,

742

aw.

743

But this is when we find out they,

they've got these rules on this

744

jury, so it has to be six of them.

745

They have to all be in agreement.

746

Xhafer: Unanimous.

747

Laura: has fucked off.

748

He said, no, thank you.

749

I won't agree to this one.

750

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

751

Laura: And they've

gotta find a sixth vote.

752

Xhafer: Yeah.

753

Well, it's not even, I

don't agree to this one.

754

I'm not voting, no, it's, I'm not voting.

755

I'm

756

Laura: not voting anymore.

757

Yeah.

758

I'm, I'm out

759

Xhafer: Of this whole process.

760

Laura: Connor's really harsh in the

vibe with his whole kill them all thing.

761

Like I get that.

762

Xhafer: Yep.

763

We got over back to the Bay

Star where Deanna comes to visit

764

Baltar, bringing him his meds.

765

Laura: Yeah.

766

So a couple of thoughts.

767

One, she looks very angelic.

768

We've got her lit in such a way.

769

We've got

770

a

771

Xhafer: in this sheer white dress thing.

772

Laura: uhhuh mm-hmm.

773

The pills thing, like we clearly

saw him like addicted to some

774

kind of pills it seemed like,

in this whole new caprica stuff

775

at the very beginning, like,

and he's a little shit.

776

So that seems like,

escapism he might do and,

777

Xhafer: They might be recreational,

they might be mood stabilizing.

778

He, He,

779

he, does see shit.

780

Laura: It's true and I wondered if he

is using these pills to keep six PT

781

away because she's been upset at him

and he does not wanna deal with it.

782

Xhafer: so I, I don't remember.

783

I, they, they haven't told

us what the pills are.

784

I don't remember if they

tell us what the pills are,

785

Laura: Yeah.

786

Especially because when he was

dreaming, that was six PT coming in and

787

chewing everybody out in this vision.

788

I wondered if she's been away for

a while and it was three days.

789

Some things out of his

system she showed back up.

790

Here comes Deanna with the

pills to silence six PT.

791

Xhafer: Yeah.

792

Good timing.

793

Laura: I don't know.

794

Yeah, but she like tries to sit

with him on the couch and he's

795

squeak, squeaked out by it.

796

Uh They really don't believe

he has value to be here.

797

The silent model you in, they're like,

798

Xhafer: Yeah.

799

The fuck is this guy?

800

Laura: want you here, but

hey, our vote is deadlocked.

801

Xhafer: Yeah, you saved that baby.

802

So like, that's a big deal.

803

But it's split three ways, right?

804

Three.

805

Three right now.

806

And the only model that

hasn't voted is the sixes.

807

Laura: Uhhuh.

808

Yeah.

809

So he is also in the hands of his own kind

of jury, but they have different rules.

810

It's not a unanimous, we all agree

in order to throw gas out at the

811

airlock, it's a majority rule.

812

Xhafer: Yeah.

813

Laura: Interesting.

814

Xhafer: Lee hangs out with the dad

rule here, noting the missing reports

815

the missing people reports coming

in 13, missing confirmed survivors.

816

He says in all of this, they

have a conversation about stuff.

817

He says he's gonna go hit the jump rope

818

and he says he is lost half a stone, ex

819

14 pounds.

820

Excuse me.

821

Imperial weight measurement.

822

No, I was on board for everything.

823

I was on board for robot genocide.

824

I was on board for spaceships.

825

I'm on board for the physics breaking,

jumping, the, the, the, like the quantum

826

displacement of jumping, which is a

really fucking kind of way to do space

827

travel that is probably impossible.

828

Like that's breaking all kinds of rules

and shit like you're doing quantum

829

tanglement with, from one place.

830

That's fucking weird.

831

And also on scale, which

is also fucking weird.

832

Like I, this doesn't make sense to me.

833

I was on board for all of that.

834

Laura: Uh Huh.

835

Xhafer: Referring to losing half of a

stone broke my suspension of disbelief.

836

Laura: Also, you just told

me a stone is 14 pounds.

837

Xhafer: Yeah, I think that's right.

838

It might

839

Laura: Yeah.

840

So half a stone is about seven pounds.

841

My guy, you've lost three

pounds of water weight.

842

Because I'm gonna assume that

this actor is taller than me,

843

probably by an inch or two.

844

I don't know.

845

And that's like my

846

Xhafer: he's probably as

tall as you, if not shorter.

847

Laura: Oh,

848

Xhafer: doesn't tower over James

Callis and, and James Callis,

849

I don't believe is a tallman.

850

Laura: find out how tall he is.

851

Xhafer: Jamie Barber height Google.

852

Gimme the answer.

853

He's five nine.

854

Laura: Oh, he is shorter than me.

855

Xhafer: He's shorter

856

Laura: Oh, wow.

857

Xhafer: If we're an

abnormally tall podcast.

858

Laura: Abnormally tall.

859

Very special blood typed podcast.

860

Xhafer: Right.

861

Laura: Yeah.

862

Okay.

863

Well, maybe he's less, a little more

than water weight, whatever, but I

864

think if he scraped that putty off of

his face, he could lose another pound

865

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

866

Laura: because I mean, to, to be fair,

867

it, it's, it's good face putty

compared to like some face putty, like

868

Xhafer: like it's better than like

the olds makeup and TNG for sure.

869

Laura: Sure.

870

Yeah.

871

And

872

Xhafer: that loaf on.

873

Yeah.

874

It's, it's better than

that, but it's not good.

875

Laura: have you ever watched I Claudius.

876

Xhafer: No, I actually, I, I

think I just got it with the

877

intention of watching it sometime

878

Laura: Awesome.

879

I Claudius is very good.

880

It also has Patrick Stewart with hair.

881

I think it was his real hair.

882

I think he was young enough that

it was actually his hair, but I'm

883

not a hundred percent sure on that.

884

So if somebody out there in the

discord knows that it wasn't

885

his real hair, yeah, you got me.

886

But let me tell you, the wig is

better than, than all of the face

887

putty they throw on those people.

888

'cause they weren't

thinking about those high

889

Xhafer: Hd.

890

Yeah.

891

Laura: Whew.

892

It's a fun little journey.

893

Xhafer: Yeah.

894

Laura: Yeah.

895

I didn't love that.

896

Adama is like fat shaming him to back

897

to the

898

Xhafer: great.

899

No.

900

No.

901

Laura: Like, come on man.

902

It's been three fucking days.

903

Get a grip.

904

Xhafer: Gada is alone

in the mess hall here.

905

Starbuck moves over to join him.

906

this is where he tells her that he

was the mole, but like nobody has, no

907

one that he's talking to has any way

to confirm anything that he's saying.

908

It, it becomes apparent that he wasn't

quite sure who he was leaving stuff for.

909

I don't know how you set that up

910

without anything at all.

911

I, I figure, I mean, I, I know it's

for the dramatic tension in the

912

storytelling, but at the very least,

you would think that Gada had to like

913

tell Tiarra the like, Hey, when this

is down, check here kind of a thing.

914

At some point,

915

Laura: Uhhuh

916

Xhafer: even, I guess it might

have just been like a message

917

at the door or something

918

Laura: probably, probably just

a different note that said,

919

Hey, flipped bowl, look here.

920

You

921

know, but yeah.

922

And he, he might not have known who.

923

Picked up the message.

924

If you just leave it somewhere where,

you know, like resistance gathers, you

925

don't know which one of them gets it.

926

Xhafer: yeah.

927

Laura: Yeah.

928

Starbuck like sets this whole

thing off by like, did you even

929

think about me being locked up?

930

And Gada says he didn't know,

which I totally believe.

931

'cause Lee Obin was totally bonkers.

932

Xhafer: Well, and Bin never

went to silent model Un,

933

so he, he wouldn't have been all

like, oh yeah, and I've still

934

got Starbucks captured guys.

935

You know, like, that's not

something that happened.

936

Laura: and they might not have even cared.

937

Like, they're like, oh, crazy,

Loubin and his fucking premonitions

938

thinks Starbucks is important.

939

Like, no, she's not.

940

You know?

941

Xhafer: That's human, whatever.

942

Laura: Yeah.

943

And so, like, there's no reason for him

necessarily to mention it to the Model

944

N there's no reason for the model to

talk about it in front of other humans

945

like.

946

Completely plausible to

me that Gada had no idea.

947

and, you know, he is trying to like

explain the dead drops and stuff, and

948

I've really thought for a second that

Cix might've overheard him talking

949

Xhafer: They make it look like she does,

950

but then they don't do anything with it.

951

Laura: Yeah, no, her, I guess her look

is like, oh, now I found another person

952

who has a beef and can do this thing

with our six people with the circle.

953

But to me, that conversation was

loud enough that she should have

954

overheard about the dead drops.

955

But I, again, maybe you're right, maybe

Tyrell didn't really talk about them to

956

others, like how they actually happened.

957

He just was like, I have a source.

958

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

959

Laura: So I, I don't know.

960

I, I can forgive Cix for not taking this

information and doing something with it,

961

but it really felt like she was about to.

962

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

963

We cut over to the bass star

where six watches, baltar

964

wake up, but in a creepy way.

965

Not a cute or loving way

966

Laura: Yeah.

967

Xhafer: terrors kinda way.

968

Laura: Yeah.

969

Six is messed up.

970

Something is wrong with six.

971

Xhafer: Yeah.

972

He tries to talk to her,

but he fucks it up too.

973

Laura: Oh, he's so bad at this.

974

Xhafer: the whole thing is so, so awkward.

975

I have no notes on it because

it was just so awkward that I

976

was just like uh, the entire

977

Laura: can't even write with my pencil.

978

Oh,

979

yeah, yeah.

980

She goes on this thing about my

feelings have clouded my judgment.

981

He tries to like convince her, no, no, no.

982

You're just, you're just a person.

983

You're a person who's in love with me.

984

CAAs Baltar,

985

and uh, I'm the only one who can make

it better for you and you need me.

986

He's like screaming out the door,

you need me and forgets to be

987

like, oh yeah, I need you too.

988

It's just very classic guys.

989

I was like, wow, wow.

990

He's not learned anything.

991

just so fucked up.

992

This gross little man.

993

And yeah, we go back to

Galactica the circle meets

994

Xhafer: The circle.

995

Yeah.

996

Starbucks has been

brought into the circle.

997

Laura: and so this, I think is when

it's explicit that this purge is.

998

Ordered by Zurich.

999

Like we kinda had the three days where

it's like, oh, you know, we've gotta do

00:42:45,071 --> 00:42:47,021

this before Rosalyn gets back in power.

00:42:47,141 --> 00:42:52,001

But now we see the letter

with the corners cut off.

00:42:52,091 --> 00:42:52,781

Yeah.

00:42:53,936 --> 00:42:54,226

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:42:54,551 --> 00:42:56,381

Laura: that Zurich is trying

to get rid of these people.

00:42:56,921 --> 00:42:57,011

Xhafer: yep.

00:42:57,621 --> 00:43:01,131

She votes guilty while

Tiro remains undecided.

00:43:01,881 --> 00:43:07,571

Sam talks to Kara about not becoming in

Ahab, and she says she would rather kill

00:43:07,571 --> 00:43:10,721

traitors and hurt Sam than go to therapy,

00:43:11,136 --> 00:43:11,556

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:43:12,191 --> 00:43:12,521

Xhafer: so,

00:43:12,581 --> 00:43:12,881

Laura: Yep.

00:43:14,651 --> 00:43:14,951

Uck

00:43:15,326 --> 00:43:15,546

Xhafer: yep.

00:43:16,901 --> 00:43:18,071

Laura: that's men's job.

00:43:18,491 --> 00:43:20,201

Men would rather than therapy.

00:43:22,811 --> 00:43:24,191

Xhafer: Have you watched Peacemaker?

00:43:24,881 --> 00:43:25,451

Laura: No.

00:43:25,456 --> 00:43:25,726

Uhuh

00:43:26,201 --> 00:43:27,341

Xhafer: There's a character in there.

00:43:27,341 --> 00:43:30,221

There's a, a female

character in that show.

00:43:30,221 --> 00:43:31,847

Female uh, there.

00:43:31,847 --> 00:43:32,687

Oh, there's a woman.

00:43:32,687 --> 00:43:38,014

It's uh, who uh, gets diagnosed

from a therapist with toxic

00:43:38,044 --> 00:43:40,174

has being toxic masculinity,

00:43:40,954 --> 00:43:42,724

like having toxic masculinity.

00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,049

Laura: I wasn't aware that

it was an actual diagnosis.

00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:45,499

Okay.

00:43:46,114 --> 00:43:50,734

Xhafer: It's all like, you are clearly

like exerting toxic masculinity on people.

00:43:50,974 --> 00:43:53,704

And it's, it's an interesting story beat.

00:43:53,834 --> 00:43:56,354

But it reminds me a lot of this exact

00:43:56,549 --> 00:43:56,999

Laura: Yeah.

00:43:56,999 --> 00:44:02,459

Starbuck is, is so toxically

masculine in this moment that, yeah.

00:44:03,936 --> 00:44:11,646

Sam reminds her, like, none of these

people put you in that cell crazy.

00:44:11,646 --> 00:44:13,326

Leo Obin put you in that cell.

00:44:14,376 --> 00:44:20,076

And as we just discussed here,

it is extremely possible.

00:44:20,136 --> 00:44:22,536

It was literally just crazy.

00:44:22,536 --> 00:44:22,956

Leo Obin.

00:44:23,436 --> 00:44:23,706

Xhafer: Yep.

00:44:25,371 --> 00:44:29,751

Laura: There is no way to get

justice on these people who

00:44:29,751 --> 00:44:31,246

didn't do the thing to you.

00:44:32,106 --> 00:44:32,856

Xhafer: Doesn't matter.

00:44:33,126 --> 00:44:33,846

Want to kill him?

00:44:34,236 --> 00:44:34,456

Laura: Yep.

00:44:34,943 --> 00:44:38,423

Xhafer: The circle convinces

tiro to vote guilty on gata.

00:44:39,353 --> 00:44:42,443

As Kara and Sam go their separate ways.

00:44:42,443 --> 00:44:42,893

For now,

00:44:44,003 --> 00:44:44,423

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:44:45,106 --> 00:44:45,316

Xhafer: uh,

00:44:45,316 --> 00:44:50,156

just, it's very amorphous the status

of their relationship and marriage.

00:44:50,711 --> 00:44:52,091

Laura: Truly, truly, yeah.

00:44:52,091 --> 00:44:57,371

Saul is arguing that like, if I

killed Ellen for the collaboration

00:44:57,371 --> 00:45:01,061

she did, everyone else should have to

die for the collaboration they did.

00:45:01,141 --> 00:45:01,561

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:45:02,261 --> 00:45:06,911

Laura: Like, so I'm, again, I'm

like, Saul, there's that blind spot.

00:45:09,266 --> 00:45:09,686

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:45:10,817 --> 00:45:16,255

Laura: Did In the Sam and Starbuck fight,

he went to give her her dog tags back,

00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:19,885

the ones that she left and said, this

is my promise, I'm gonna come get you.

00:45:19,885 --> 00:45:23,305

When he was on Caprica,

did she take them back?

00:45:24,505 --> 00:45:28,795

Xhafer: Um, she hangs it up in her

locker at the end of the episode,

00:45:29,155 --> 00:45:29,695

Laura: Oh, okay.

00:45:31,495 --> 00:45:31,885

Yeah.

00:45:32,095 --> 00:45:32,485

so

00:45:32,725 --> 00:45:33,175

Hmm.

00:45:34,825 --> 00:45:38,545

Amorphous, but I'm leaning

towards, we're broken.

00:45:38,725 --> 00:45:39,445

We're broken up.

00:45:39,895 --> 00:45:40,165

Xhafer: yeah.

00:45:41,308 --> 00:45:45,628

Gada gets, got, gets brought to

that airlock for his last words

00:45:45,628 --> 00:45:47,998

slash pleading for his life.

00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:53,754

and uh, he's just all like, fuck you

guys, like, you've made your decision.

00:45:54,384 --> 00:45:57,324

I'm not gonna beg for my

life and Starbucks all like,

00:45:57,324 --> 00:45:58,614

no, you will fucking beg.

00:46:01,494 --> 00:46:04,914

Laura: the, the way this goes down

is so interesting because Tiro is

00:46:04,914 --> 00:46:07,614

like, speak, tell me your story.

00:46:07,614 --> 00:46:10,584

But Connor immediately

starts mocking gata.

00:46:10,974 --> 00:46:17,604

I think that if Connor hadn't mocked gata,

GATA might have tried again to explain

00:46:17,604 --> 00:46:25,374

the dog bowl and stuff, but Connor's

hostility, Starbucks's previous hostility,

00:46:26,269 --> 00:46:26,689

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:46:26,694 --> 00:46:30,744

Laura: he says, no, I'm, I'd rather

just die than beg for my life.

00:46:31,594 --> 00:46:35,254

But Starbucks wants to physically assault

someone, as we've already discussed.

00:46:36,064 --> 00:46:41,434

Xhafer: Yeah, she's gotta, she's gotta

work that outta her system and however she

00:46:41,434 --> 00:46:43,714

does it, it doesn't really matter to her.

00:46:44,614 --> 00:46:45,154

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:45,244 --> 00:46:48,094

She starts kicking him, yelling

at him, like you said too.

00:46:48,094 --> 00:46:48,664

Beg

00:46:48,874 --> 00:46:49,054

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:46:49,634 --> 00:46:51,104

Laura: And Mockingly.

00:46:51,104 --> 00:46:58,149

Retells the story that he told earlier,

which Tyrell happens to recognize.

00:46:58,814 --> 00:47:01,694

Xhafer: So there, there's

a commercial break in here,

00:47:01,969 --> 00:47:02,389

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:47:03,674 --> 00:47:07,784

Xhafer: and I just want you to imagine

like it's at a very tense moment.

00:47:08,084 --> 00:47:10,904

Like where it's all like gays,

fate's about to be decided.

00:47:11,024 --> 00:47:11,294

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:11,294 --> 00:47:12,824

We just read the sentence.

00:47:13,034 --> 00:47:14,294

Xhafer: It's like, yeah,

it's a whole thing.

00:47:14,564 --> 00:47:17,654

I want you to imagine having to sit

through five minutes of Eureka pre

00:47:17,984 --> 00:47:22,964

previews and dove shampoo commercials

instead of continuing on with the show.

00:47:23,294 --> 00:47:27,254

This is, I don't know what it is about

this particular commercial break that

00:47:27,254 --> 00:47:31,424

made me think, and this is, I'm gonna

be old for a minute, but it's all like.

00:47:31,934 --> 00:47:33,524

Y'all got it so easy these days.

00:47:35,354 --> 00:47:39,434

You think Amazon's absurd ad

breaks, they don't even compare.

00:47:40,166 --> 00:47:45,866

It's literally five minutes of like

sci-fi previews and I don't know why like

00:47:45,866 --> 00:47:48,056

shampoo commercials are always on sci-fi.

00:47:48,426 --> 00:47:48,776

Laura: Uhhuh.

00:47:49,016 --> 00:47:50,696

Xhafer: You, it's a weird choice.

00:47:51,491 --> 00:47:55,781

Laura: Maybe it's not though, like maybe

the demographic needs to wash a tear.

00:47:56,336 --> 00:47:56,936

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:47:56,996 --> 00:48:01,166

But also like you're trying to sell

people something that they're not buying.

00:48:03,546 --> 00:48:05,951

Laura: but maybe if they see

this pretty woman using it,

00:48:05,951 --> 00:48:07,901

then they will think about it.

00:48:08,471 --> 00:48:12,161

That's the, that's the whole like

premise of advertising, right?

00:48:12,311 --> 00:48:15,851

If we see this pretty woman

doing it, maybe we'll think about

00:48:15,911 --> 00:48:16,201

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:16,206 --> 00:48:17,786

It used to be that sex sells.

00:48:18,176 --> 00:48:19,916

That used to be how marketing works now.

00:48:19,916 --> 00:48:21,716

Outrage sells unfortunately,

00:48:22,001 --> 00:48:22,391

Laura: Mm.

00:48:22,571 --> 00:48:23,531

I'd rather go back to the

00:48:23,666 --> 00:48:25,406

Xhafer: how our, how everything works.

00:48:25,676 --> 00:48:26,931

Oh yeah, me for sure.

00:48:27,821 --> 00:48:28,481

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:28,646 --> 00:48:29,666

Xhafer: better than outreach.

00:48:30,086 --> 00:48:30,656

Big thumb.

00:48:30,836 --> 00:48:31,946

Double thumbs up.

00:48:34,991 --> 00:48:38,081

Laura: and if you use shampoo, you

might get it every now and again.

00:48:38,311 --> 00:48:38,531

Xhafer: Hey.

00:48:39,646 --> 00:48:40,816

Laura: It's, it's not gonna hurt.

00:48:41,201 --> 00:48:42,371

It won't hurt anything.

00:48:42,386 --> 00:48:44,336

Xhafer: I mean, it's why I

use Dove shampoo to this day,

00:48:44,921 --> 00:48:49,181

Laura: But Do you remember on sci-fi

where you would have like, okay, we go

00:48:49,181 --> 00:48:52,991

to commercial break, we do the eureka

preview, we do a shampoo commercial.

00:48:52,991 --> 00:48:57,656

We do the eureka preview again, where

they'd like do the same previews,

00:48:58,526 --> 00:49:06,021

Xhafer: And specifically Battlestar

Galactica, um, season four used all

00:49:06,341 --> 00:49:08,101

American re rejects for all of their ads.

00:49:08,661 --> 00:49:09,236

I think we've

00:49:09,251 --> 00:49:09,881

Laura: that was that

00:49:09,986 --> 00:49:12,836

Xhafer: pod, but it, it's

something that just sticks in

00:49:12,836 --> 00:49:14,366

the back of my brain so much.

00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:16,170

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:16,500

Yeah.

00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,310

Every now and again I'll hear a song come

on and I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that.

00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:21,260

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:49:22,804 --> 00:49:23,284

Laura: Yep.

00:49:23,367 --> 00:49:27,537

So Tyrell Tyrell's livid

00:49:27,537 --> 00:49:27,927

here.

00:49:29,007 --> 00:49:30,837

He's got the source.

00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:35,677

He immediately cuts gita's bonds the

same way that Jamer cut Cali's bonds.

00:49:36,037 --> 00:49:40,867

Frees him, sets him, says, go and

just yells at Saul like you've

00:49:40,897 --> 00:49:42,157

fucking lunatic.

00:49:42,447 --> 00:49:45,892

Xhafer: this fucking innocent ass

dude who is the only reason that

00:49:45,952 --> 00:49:47,087

the resistance was successful.

00:49:47,627 --> 00:49:48,047

Mm-hmm.

00:49:48,097 --> 00:49:48,547

Laura: Right?

00:49:49,897 --> 00:49:50,287

Yeah.

00:49:50,287 --> 00:49:51,247

He was working.

00:49:52,147 --> 00:49:55,447

On the inside in the same kind

of sort of way that you were

00:49:55,447 --> 00:49:57,307

working on the inside for Adama.

00:49:57,367 --> 00:50:02,947

Like you were on Caprica for Adama, he was

inside the administration for us, like,

00:50:03,037 --> 00:50:03,327

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:50:04,117 --> 00:50:05,947

Laura: can't do this.

00:50:06,977 --> 00:50:09,887

And then we immediately cut to

Adama and Rosalyn confronting

00:50:09,887 --> 00:50:11,927

Zurich about this whole business.

00:50:12,647 --> 00:50:20,147

So what I wanna ask you, do

we get any idea who snitched?

00:50:22,413 --> 00:50:25,233

Is that gonna come up later, or

is this just gonna be ambiguous?

00:50:25,233 --> 00:50:25,263

I,

00:50:25,308 --> 00:50:28,458

Xhafer: don't, I don't remember

if it comes up later and I

00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:30,468

don't remember if we find out

00:50:30,933 --> 00:50:32,703

Laura: I think there's plausible,

00:50:33,168 --> 00:50:33,978

Xhafer: it's gotta be Andrews

00:50:34,623 --> 00:50:34,743

Laura: yeah.

00:50:34,743 --> 00:50:40,053

I was gonna say Anders Tyrell could

have been just like, fuck this as well.

00:50:40,083 --> 00:50:40,933

Xhafer: Once it was done.

00:50:41,083 --> 00:50:41,373

Yeah.

00:50:41,598 --> 00:50:43,668

Tell, tell Papao what was going on.

00:50:44,073 --> 00:50:45,243

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:50:45,244 --> 00:50:45,254

I.

00:50:45,318 --> 00:50:50,868

I think the next possible one could

be Saul, except that I don't think so,

00:50:50,868 --> 00:50:56,688

because I think he's too stuck on the,

I've been given a task, I finish a task.

00:50:57,558 --> 00:51:00,918

But yeah, I was like, I

am not sure who it was.

00:51:00,918 --> 00:51:06,168

They don't explicitly state and they may

never, and that would probably be fine.

00:51:07,098 --> 00:51:10,668

Or GAA could have gone and snitched

'cause he actually lived through his trial

00:51:10,913 --> 00:51:11,203

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:13,428 --> 00:51:17,268

Laura: would be maybe a bad idea

later for working with Saul.

00:51:17,268 --> 00:51:17,508

But

00:51:18,475 --> 00:51:21,805

So Zurich has this whole story

of why this is necessary.

00:51:22,495 --> 00:51:30,505

Like we can't do this with due process as

we know it because it will take forever.

00:51:30,505 --> 00:51:32,785

It will be witch trials where.

00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,290

Innocent people get accused

because I don't like his face.

00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:43,540

And this is not the time.

00:51:43,540 --> 00:51:50,740

We can't we cannot devolve into that

because then we won't achieve our goals.

00:51:50,815 --> 00:51:51,115

Xhafer: Yeah,

00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,230

Laura: But also these

people can't stay among us.

00:51:54,830 --> 00:51:57,800

Is his, like his whole guiding philosophy?

00:51:57,935 --> 00:51:58,985

Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

00:51:58,985 --> 00:52:01,955

He's real big on, it's all like,

we've got a broken system and

00:52:01,955 --> 00:52:03,545

they're just gonna dodge justice.

00:52:04,145 --> 00:52:04,475

Right.

00:52:05,325 --> 00:52:09,165

But Roslyn reminds us that the

Constitution applies to everyone.

00:52:10,035 --> 00:52:10,485

Laura: Yeah.

00:52:11,025 --> 00:52:15,825

So we are at a sort of an

impasse here in this moment.

00:52:16,785 --> 00:52:20,925

Zurich has his efficiency argument.

00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:21,440

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:52:21,975 --> 00:52:23,475

Laura: This will not work.

00:52:23,865 --> 00:52:26,925

You will have too many things going on.

00:52:26,925 --> 00:52:32,085

No one will get anything done, and

you have like the right thing to do.

00:52:35,115 --> 00:52:38,355

And so we cut to Rosalyn swearing in.

00:52:39,728 --> 00:52:40,028

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:52:41,418 --> 00:52:48,378

Laura: Rosalyn has decided

that in lieu of the.

00:52:49,503 --> 00:52:52,713

Whole Justice Circus that Zurich proposed.

00:52:53,353 --> 00:52:55,453

We're gonna do a Truth and

Reconciliation Committee.

00:52:56,113 --> 00:52:59,773

Everybody's pardoned, but we're

gonna find out exactly what

00:52:59,773 --> 00:53:00,733

the hell happened everywhere

00:53:01,143 --> 00:53:01,563

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:53:02,863 --> 00:53:05,833

Laura: and we're gonna reconcile

with our neighbors and fellow man.

00:53:06,523 --> 00:53:12,253

And you two are gonna shake hands and

tell each other that you love each

00:53:12,253 --> 00:53:17,713

other because you are siblings and

we're all gonna get along basically.

00:53:19,168 --> 00:53:19,498

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:53:20,845 --> 00:53:22,975

Laura: And Daddy backs this up.

00:53:23,335 --> 00:53:28,075

Daddy Adama is the first

one standing O applause.

00:53:29,047 --> 00:53:29,467

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:53:30,107 --> 00:53:32,447

Laura: Uncle Eric reluctantly comes along

00:53:33,872 --> 00:53:36,752

Xhafer: Well, I mean, he's, you

know, the most senior elected

00:53:36,752 --> 00:53:37,832

official in the government.

00:53:38,222 --> 00:53:44,862

So, she says some stuff about like, being

grateful for the gift of the people,

00:53:45,012 --> 00:53:46,632

you know, to choose her to do this

00:53:46,827 --> 00:53:49,497

Laura: Yeah, that's, that's

where you were gonna mention,

00:53:49,872 --> 00:53:50,442

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:53:51,402 --> 00:53:52,782

Hey bullshit.

00:53:53,067 --> 00:53:57,537

Laura: I mean, she has the gift of

the people's representatives, right?

00:53:59,307 --> 00:54:01,377

Xhafer: Yeah, I feel great about that.

00:54:03,822 --> 00:54:04,112

Laura: Yeah.

00:54:04,377 --> 00:54:06,507

Representative Democracy works perfect.

00:54:06,507 --> 00:54:07,317

It's great.

00:54:07,347 --> 00:54:08,427

No problems.

00:54:09,147 --> 00:54:10,947

A plus work here,

00:54:11,937 --> 00:54:12,297

Xhafer: Yep.