Tune in to this episode of The Hero Show as Dr. Mike Van Thielen emphasizes the importance of embracing health freedom and making conscious choices that lead to happiness and wellness. He shares his insights on the latest advancements in biohacking, personalized medicine, and how to adopt a holistic approach to health.

Dr. Mike Van Thielen is a renowned medical expert, best-selling author, and the founder of Health Freedom Movement. He is also the Medical Director at ClarigenZ Health, where he helps people regain control of their health and achieve optimal wellness through biohacking, business, and personal life coaching.

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Hello and welcome back to the show. My name is Richard Matthews, and today I have on the line [00:01:00] Dr. Mike, Dr. Mike, you there?

Yes, I'm here. How are you, Richard?

I'm doing excellent. I was actually pretty excited before we got on the call is one of the first times I've had a call with someone who's so close by. You're right down the street from me in Florida right now.

Yes. Good. Could have done a live interview, huh?

Just about if only we had known we could come and do an interview on the beach down here.

That's right.

So, what I want to start off with before we get dive into the interview is let me just give a brief introduction for who you are and what you do. So Dr. Mike Van. Oh man, I'm gonna butcher this.

Thielen is that right?

Thielen. It's Dutch, man. Everybody butchers Dutch. Yeah, Thielen. But Dr. Mike's just fine.

Dr. Mike, and you're the medical director at ClarigenZ Health, an innovative medical company with a new pill providing all the benefits of Adderall without any of the harmful side effects. You're a bestselling author of two books focused on optimizing productivity and focusing and creating a stress-free life.

Well well, currently I'm a mentor, so I help people regain control of their health, achieve optimal health, and currently I'm an expert in biohacking. That's what people hire me for, to speak about is biohacking, which means upgrading body, brain, and life. So that's kind of a new upcoming field within medicine and health because what we're trying to do is objectively reverse biological edge.

So the new a hundred will be, the hundred will be the new 30. That's our goal here. But I help people not just in health. I also help 'em in business, et cetera, because with my backgrounds, I didn't have mentors, I didn't have guides in my life. And I feel I'm at a stage in my life where I can be a mentor for people, whether it's concerning their health or their business or personal life.

So that's what I'm doing today.

That's awesome. And biohacking is definitely an up and coming field. I know I've looked into it. I got a coach that's helped me with a lot of things and been surprised how much impact you can have on your own ability to perform and output by making small, simple changes.

Yep. Nope, there's, there's, yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, I was gonna say, why don't we start off with your origin story, right?

Every good comic book hero has an origin story. It's the thing that made them into the hero they are today. And I want to hear that story. Were you born a hero? Were you a bit by a radioactive spider that made you wanted to get into biohacking and performance stuff for entrepreneurs? Or did you start in a job and eventually become an entrepreneur?

Basically, where'd you come from.

And then I went to the university of Brussels. Luckily universities are not as expensive there then here because I never would've been able to go. I did physical education first because I was a competitive swimmer, and that was a lot of fun. But what are you gonna do with a physical education degree besides becoming a drug rep, which is the opposite of what I wanna be.

So recruiter called me up and asked, and I was 26 at the time, asked if I want to call my work here. So obviously I said yes. Sure. So I saved $400. Put my jeans on and packed my backpack and I came over to the [00:05:00] United States without any mentor guidance. So, needless to say, it was a difficult time at first but my motto quickly became, I never lose, I win or I learn.

So you know, to many tribulations I am where I am today. I started here as a licensed physical therapist. Went back to school Florida College of Integrative Medicine, became a licensed acupuncturist. Got my board certification in oriental medicine, certified in homeopathy, all the good stuff, and after.

Richard's treating hundreds and hundreds of patients. I felt that these procedures, which are called alternative medicine, they're actually the original medicine, but anyways that these procedures were less harmful and invasive than conventional medicine, meaning drugs and surgeries. But I really didn't get the lasting results I was looking for either.

So, that's a little bit of my journey. And so I'm here to help people make a shortcut you know, point out the pitfalls and be a mentor for them. The mentor that I never had.

That's awesome. So you had quite a journey to get where you are now. And I guess I'm curious, how do you go from being a physical therapist to being a biohacker, like how do you turn that into a career?

Yeah. So when I came in as a physical therapist, you know, I traveled with the Olympic team, so, I was exposed to sports performance and supplements and those types of things for sure. But then I started working with somebody who combined physical therapy with acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine.

I got my PhD in nutrition. I went to the A4M conventions many times, which is the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine. I learned about bio hormones. I learned about all those types of things. And then, you know 2015 became the CEO of a stem cell company because stem cells and regenerative medicine came to the forefront in medicine as popular.

In August of 2023, like eight, nine months from now. And so my [00:08:00] competitors swim two hours a day. I don't have time to do that, nor do I have the desire to be in the chlorine water for two hours a day. So in order to compete with them, I gotta do something else. I'm competing in the 50 plus age group, and so I'm trying to biohack my body to be biologically 40.

And that will be my advantage. So, that's how I'm getting around, not swimming two hours a day.

So here's my question. Is it working?

That's amazing.

Yeah.

So I mean, it sounds like this is a good lead to my next question is your superpowers, right? Maybe you've already discovered some of them with you're a biohacking, but every iconic hero has a superpower, whether that's their fancy flying suit made by their genius intellect or the ability to call down thunder from the sky

It's funny that today we're talking about heroes, go ahead.

Yeah, go ahead.

And at that time, you believed without any doubt in your mind that you could be that person until somebody, most likely your parents told you it was impossible. And so then we settled for ordinary. But some of us continue to change those dreams and those superpowers. And so the things I do today, Richard, is really, you know, a lot of people, they don't have a purpose in life.

Right? So, and then we have our parents, our parents push a certain directions. We have dad that's a lawyer, so he wants us to go to law school. We have a mother that failed medical school and wants to live vicariously through us and pushes us through medical school. And nobody asks us what do we want in life.

And so I'm helping not just youngsters, but also older people that still are, you know not having their purpose of life, but they don't realize it. Because I do a lot of work with people with ADHD, anxiety, depression, and all those kinda, you know, mind conditions or mental illnesses as they call them.

But think about this, instead of just putting things in place or going on medications, or even on natural supplements or neurotropics, you know, if you don't have a purpose in life, of course things are gonna be thrown at you. Of course you're gonna be not knowing where you are, you're gonna be depressed, you're gonna be anxious.

So now, when we have a purpose in life, we can set a plan and a strategy, and we can surround ourselves with the people that we need. Because alone, we never can achieve our highest potential. And once we have the team of experts around us, we are not gonna be afraid of obstacles because we know the obstacle needs to be taken to achieve our goal.

So we're gonna attack the obstacles. We're gonna wake up with fire in our belly every day. We gonna be organized. We know what we're gonna be doing. So we fear, worry anxiety depression. All that stuff suddenly disappears once we have a purpose in life and a strategy and a plan. So that's what I help people to do today.

You could say I'm a pretty good swimmer, but you know, I feel the fire and the passion inside of my body not swimming really is helping people, whether it's that regaining control of their health or finding their superpower in their life. And so that's my superpower, is help people find their superpower.

What about that?

You're, you're like a superpower discoverer. You help people uncover the

That's right.

Superpowers that are already there. That's wonderful. So, over the course of your career, we've sort of discovered that there's always the flip side, right? You're. Superpower is if it's helping people discover their superpowers.

You know, every Superman has their kryptonite. Right. Or Wonder Woman can't remove their bracelets of victory without going mad. What is a flaw that's held you back in your business? Right? Something that you've struggled with. For me, I struggled with perfectionism for a long time before realized it was a terrible goal to set.

Yeah, I think, I never really surrounded myself with the right people initially. And so that's why I take it a priority. When somebody has a goal, we need to identify what type of people or what titles that we need, and then put names on them, and form a team, because she need mentors.

She needs people that have been there before you, people that can guide you in the direction so you save a lot of time and agony, right? And so I went through all the agony. And so you know, that certainly was a downfall that I never had a mentor, didn't realize I really needed those people either.

And so now I'm surrounding myself with the right people you know, that have achieved things I have not achieved yet. So they can show me the way saves all of time. So that's certainly one of the things. Next, I think the reason why I've always been persistent is I have to take that to swimming.

And so I think that really shaped me and really got me into a working mentality that it's about reaching goals and getting things done even if you don't like to do them, you know, and so, like I said before, my motto quickly became, you know, I never lose. I win or I learn. And so every time something goes wrong, I'm not even getting upset.

I just, okay, what went wrong? What was my fault? How can I do better tomorrow? And just implement that knowledge and try again, you know, till you get knocked down again. But you get up stronger and stronger until you make it. But all of the things can be prevented by having a plan, having a strategy.

Yeah, I like the mentality of not you either win or you learn something. I always tell people, you know, it's like I either win or I get a story, right? You get a story to

Yeah, well, yeah, that's so true, right?

Because the stuff that doesn't work out well, they always make good stories.

Afterwards. Right afterwards. They're funny.

Yeah, absolutely. So, not having a mentor, not having a team was a downfall. And I'm curious, how did you discover that? How did you sort of come to the conclusion that what you needed was you needed to have, you know, your Gandalf to your Frodo, or you know, your Uncle Ben to your Spider-Man.

How did you discover that you needed to have a mentor in your life?

And so things go wrong, right? Until we started the Neo Matrix Medical, uh, geometrics Medical, which was our stem cell company in 2015. We actually had a team, so it's the first time that we actually had some investors, some board members, a CFO, they made me the CEO, but I was just a leader and the one that conveyed the messages and did the seminars.

But when I wanted to spend X amount of money on marketing, the CFO and other people say, no, we can't do that because we need to have so much in reserve. And so, People that specialize in certain fields, which are my weaknesses, and they balanced me. You know what I mean? We either, we either were seeking for more funding, or they told me, you can't do this right now.

So that's what you need to do. It's pretty simple actually. Once you put that ego to the side and you can figure out where you need help and put strong people in those positions, then you're obviously gonna be unstoppable.

Yeah. That's where I remember learning that lesson myself and thinking, you know, what I needed to do was work on my weaknesses and turn them into strengths. And you realize a lot of fricking work..

Yes.

But what work significantly better is to just focus on your strengths and find other people who are strong, where you're weak and you can accomplish so much more together that way.

A hundred percent agree, yes.

You know, 30 year old body. When they're a hundred, when they're a hundred, what is the common enemy that you are constantly having to fight against in this world?

Well, in this world, I would say it's obviously our conventional medicine system, the big pharma, the lobbyist, the government pushing us vaccines, pushing us all the unhealthy, manmade foods in the store, you know, all the drugs you know, all, everything is about profiting greeds and so, you know, so you are always pushing up against the doctor's advice, right?

Because people still go to their regular doctor and usually health is exactly the opposite of what the doctor's advice is. That's how simple it is. So maybe, maybe it's a little bit a crude statement, but I can give a hundred of examples of the doctor's advice is usually exact the opposite. And I tell people, just look at animals in the wild and see what they do.

Those are people that experienced the floss of drugs and surgeries and injections. Those are the people that had a flawed back surgery. The people that, you know were on drugs that had severe side effects and kind of got away from the conventional system.

You know, I've been a CEO of a stem cell company for almost five years. You know, as soon as we gain traction, as soon as people start getting real results, meaning we eradicate the cause of a condition or we actually repair something and they no longer depends on medicines. You know, the governments and the big pharma step in and tighten up the regulations and ban certain things.

And it happened with stem cells too. You know, there's all of procedures that can be done with stem cells because they work. And so, you know, it's gonna be the same thing with bio hacking probably is once this gain traction and people start, you know, telling their stories and their testimonials and how they feel there will be restrictions coming.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So why don't you tell me the top two or three pieces of advice that people are given that the exact opposite is actually true.

Yes. Well, you know, I mean, there's many, but let's go with a few fun ones too. Right. So for example when people have swollen lags or ankles the doctor puts you on diuretics to get rid of the water, right? Now, why is the body holding onto water? I ask those people. It's holding onto water because you're not drinking enough, right?

It's holding on the scarcity of water. So why would you get rid of it with a diuretic? You actually gotta do the opposite. You gotta drink a lot more water so the body can let go of that edema and things like that. So that's something that's total opposite. You know I mean, there's many things, but for example, breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

And so, you know, breakfast is the least important meal of the day. Ideally you eat early evening, and that's because of our society, right? So what's the best time to eat? It's early evening because digestive efforts will take based on what you eat, four to six hours. You don't want to be digesting while you're sleeping because then you can't sleep deep.

And during sleep, we repair, recover, renew, and regenerate, right? It's like when you are a supermarket overnight, you need to restock. If you don't restock a few nights in a row, you won't perform, you won't sell. There will no publix's supermarket anymore. So during sleep we need to replenish, regain, restore.

So, you know that's another example.

I have a question about that one in particular cuz it's something that I've learned a lot. I accidentally discovered that I do what is dubbed intermittent fasting cuz I skip breakfast and lunch frequently and that's just something I've always done. And I have found, or at least I found when I started working with a bio hacking expert myself, that I still wasn't getting enough calories, right.

I was not actually eating enough when I was eating. So how do you balance the one meal a day that you're designed to do with making sure you're getting enough actual food and nutrition during that one meal?

So that's very individual how much you need. But first of all it's not about how much because calories, again, it's a measure of they say energy, right? But your body needs essential nutrients on a daily basis. So if you give your body the essential nutrients during that one meal, and I'll give you some other things that I do.

If you give your body all the essential nutrients, it's not gonna send out a hunger signal because if it gets all the nutrients it needs, there's no need to eat more. So even though I only eat one meal a day, I'm never hungry cuz my body gets what it wants and therefore it's not gonna ask for you to eat more.

So if you wanna know how many chemical reactions there occur in your body at any given second, you simply have to multiply 75 trillion with a few million. So next time somebody asks you, Richard, if you're busy, you say yes, extremely right now. Anyways, each and every one of those cells. Each and every one of those cells has a hundred thousand receptors on its outer membrane.

And the RNA or the messenger in the cell tells those receptors constantly what it is that the cell needs to repair, replenish, and renew itself. So let's say the cell needs vitamin C, so those receptors stick out a neck in the extracellular environment to look for vitamin C. But what if due to our standard American diet, SAD, that vitamin C is not available?

If you don't get the right nutrients and you get less compatible less potent nutrients than the cell's gonna degenerate, which means disease and it's gonna mutate, which means cancer. Okay? But what I wanna show with this example is that we don't have to be health freaks either. All we need to do is to make sure that our body gets all the essential nutrients it needs on a daily basis so that it can repair, replenish, and renew itself.

And if you do that, it's okay to have your taco on Tuesday or have two beers on Saturday, believe me. But the problem is that 95% of us Americans here, we do not get those essential nutrients. We only eat the bad stuff, and then the body is forced to replace itself with less potent nutrients, and that's when we get disease and that's when we get, you know, cancer.

But what I wanted to say is I juice a lot. So even though I don't eat a meal in the morning, I juice a lot. So I have my juice with me during the mid-morning and lunch and I juice. And so that juice is a concentrate of like 10 salads, which impossibly could eat, physically eat, but I got a lot of nutrients and I take high quality supplements because in today's day supplements or high quality supplements do become an insurance policy.

Cause even if you eat wholesome organic foods, you cannot get all the nutrients that you need on a daily basis.

Yeah. Yeah. I used to call it, I ran a supplement company for a while and I used to call it eliminating the nutritional gap, right? Because even if you have a healthy diet there's a gap between what you can get from a healthy diet and what your body actually needs. And so supplements help eliminate that gap.

Absolutely.

That's correct. Yeah.

What is it you fight for in your business, your mission, so to speak?

Well, you know, I call it health freedom, right? Health freedom is the freedom that all of us have to either choose to be sick and sad or to be healthy and happy. But I try to educate people that it's not in the hands of your doctor, it's in your own hands. You are responsible. We can blame the FDA, we can blame the CDC.

We can blame the big pharma. We can blame the propaganda on the fake news. We can do that. But ultimately, just take responsibility, and educate yourself or get yourself. Like you did, hiring a a biohacking expert or a functional medicine doctor to help you in the guide direction, and be responsible and take care of your own health and the health of your loved ones.

responsibility.

With great power, comes great responsibility and responsibility symbol, the ability to respond. See, that's what separates us humans from animals. Animals have an instinct and they act according to the laws of mother nature. That's why they are in perfect health. We have an awareness, which means is we have the freedom to choose our response and that, exactly, that power has put us in ill health because we have become slaves of choosing the wrong response over and over again.

However, we have the same power. Our awareness, our freedom to choose our response to any stimulus. We have that same power to turn things around and become superhuman.

Perfect. That's really well said. Well put.

Yeah. Yeah. And the health freedom is a really interesting thing cuz my business, like my actual LLC for my business is called Five Freedoms.

And sometimes I feel like I missed one cause I was like, you know, you have, the big ones are Spiritual freedom, religious freedom, time freedom, location freedom, financial freedom. And the last one I call, and I call it the sixth, freedom is health freedom. Right? And the, all of those are each freedom is generally, it's a restriction on your ability to make choices, right?

So like, the reason you want financial freedom is you don't want your finances to restrict your choices. And location freedom is, you have the ability to choose where you want to be and where what you wanna do. And time freedom is you get to choose what you do with your time and political freedoms.

It means you can do and say what you wanna do without a fear of, you know, political retaliation, right? Being put in jail or whatever those kind of things are. And health freedom is the same thing. It is your health is not the limiting factor to your choices, right?

And to what you just said about the sixth freedom, you know, I even want to add to that, that, you know, without health freedom, in other words, if you're sick and sad, you cannot exercise the other five freedoms. What if you have extra time? What are you gonna do with it if you're sick? Right?

Yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, it's the.

It's sixth people don't think about.

And it's the fable of the goose and the golden eggs. You gotta take care of yourself, otherwise you cannot take care of others. Yeah.

I wanna talk about the top one or two tools you couldn't live without to run your business. Could be anything from your notepad that you take your notes on to your calendar, to your marketing tool, something you use for your actual delivery of your services, your clients, something you think is essential to getting your job done on a daily basis.

Well, you know, I guess the way I get people interested at it, I take complex topics and I explain 'em in a very easy way. I make 'em aha moments. Just like I did, for example, with the cell. You know, I make something very complex, easy so the average person can understand, but also has a paradigm shift or aha moments.

So, I think I always write down analogies or try to simplify things, and I use those to really get people considering, you know, taking the path of health freedom. So I think that's always important and that's always helped me to get people's attention, whether that's during a webinar or whether it's during a podcast or whether it's during a life event, is creating those paradigm shifts or aha moments.

From a tool, I mean just recently, of course I'm going on many podcasts and I have to applaud people like yourself that taking the time to spreading the word, because, you know, maybe I have a certain method or a certain service or something that can help people. But without people like yourself, Richard, you know, we can't reach many people and that's where you are the expert.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, metaphors and analogies are a fantastic tool for teaching and educating and helping people understand complex concepts. Like, you said, like cellular regeneration, how it actually works. You have to have the stories, analogies for people who aren't medical experts to understand those things.

So it's a powerful tool and what you're doing, you know, with the podcast is, you know, being a guest on podcasts, I always tell people, if you want to build an audience, or you want to have access to an audience. There's only three ways to do it. You can buy audience with ads and you know, billboards, and things like that.

Or you can borrow audience that's like what you're doing. You come onto my show and borrow my audience. Or maybe you get on the Today Show and borrow their significantly larger audience, or Oprah or something like that. Or you can build your own audience, which is what I'm doing, right?

No agree. That's good. Buy, borrow, or build.

Buy, borrow, or build. Those are the

I'll learned something today. Buy, borrow, or build. Yeah.

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Peers who are a couple years ahead of you, and how important were they to what you've accomplishedso far?

Well, I got a few, I got a swim coach when I was younger. I was at University of Brussel and he actually was an Hungarian guy who spoke English because he was the swim coach of the English speaking NATO team. So, you know, a lot of families lived in Brussels, but they were not from there because one of their parents worked for Nato and so they had a swim team and he asked me to help out, become an assistant coach to help out a little bit and go on a training camp, and he set me down one time.

And so he was the first person in my life, and I probably was 19 years old, that basically set me down and said, look, you know, you're a smart guy. Just don't accept everything that you hear or that's written down, and start thinking about, you know, these basic, even basic principles in swimming that everybody just blindly accepts over the years and copies, and continues to implement and they're wrong.

And so from that moment on, it really opened my eyes. And that's when I really started not only to do practice critical thinking, but also stepping out of the box and look from things from a different perspective. And so that was number one. Number two, I think early on, Stephen Covey's the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People was one of the first books that really helped me, especially habit number five, listen to understand, then to be understood, because when you are young, you're opinionated, right?

Because you can only learn when you listen. You never can learn when you talk, right? So I think Stephen Covey initially was one of the books that really helped me, you know synergize with other people and understand that you need a team. And those types of things.

And then you know, recently it's just people that are successful in the area that I wanna be successful in, such as Dr. Fab Mancini, which is the doctor of Dr. Phil has been on all the major news channels and he's actually, you know, getting the message out to millions of people. So, it's something, somebody that I look up to because he already accomplished where I wanna be, and so I hang out with him a lot.

Yeah.

Oh, those are my heroes.

Exactly.

So that's definitely an important lesson. And especially the second one you mentioned about understand ing when you listen. And I know early on in my life I remember thinking, you know, you could talk a lot, right? And it sort of goes right along with the that first thing about critical thinking is that critical thinking happens when you learn.

And, you know, so those two things tie together really well, is critical thinking and learning to listen to others because you know, well, you don't know everything.

Yep. No, and you don't have to agree, but you even learn something from, you know, understanding why they think that way. That's learning experience there, so you understand why they think that way, even if you don't agree.

Yeah. And if you don't agree, it forces you to understand why and to think about why you don't agree, and you can articulate your own beliefs better.

Yeah, absolutely. So we are, I think getting near the end of the interview here, I wanna talk about one of the things that makes heroes heroic, which is their guiding principles, right? They live by a code. For instance, Batman never kills his enemies. He only ever puts them in Archem asylum. So as we wrap up, I wanna talk about the top one, maybe two principles that you live your life by that maybe a principal that you wish you had learned earlier on in your entrepreneurial career.

Huh. Well, very interesting. Well, you know, principles is just you always stick to your beliefs, right? Even though beliefs may change a little bit, but you gotta just stick to your beliefs. And I'm, you know, I'm a fighter that way. Even though, you know we talked about our enemy in the past, right?

And so, even though you know it's gonna create adversity and you're gonna lose friends or you know, create more opposition, you know, that's what you need to do as a fighter, as a superhero. You cannot back down no matter what it takes. And so I think that's one of the, you know characteristics that you have to have superhero.

It doesn't matter who your enemy is. It doesn't matter how much you're gonna get hurt. You just gotta stay the cost, right? You gotta stay the cost. So I think that's you know, the most important one right there.

Yeah, absolutely. So you when once you know the truth, you have to continue fighting for it no matter what the cost is for it.

You just gotta stay the calls until it's all over. Right?

Yeah, absolutely.

Otherwise you're really not a believer. I guess otherwise you're just a fake, I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you don't believe anything, right, you will believe anything.

Well then if you're no purpose in life, then you're just walking around here and that's why you get depressed and stressed and you don't have any fire, you don't have any passion. You're sick. You know, there's no positive feelings, right? If you have a fight, if you have a passion, that's when you're happy.

That's when you feel victory. That's when you have, you know, positive emotions. You're joyful when you accomplish something or you tackle or you take another hurdle to watch your goals and dreams. That's what life is about, making a difference and feeling good about it, and be passionate about it.

Who are they? First names are fine. And why do you think they should come share their story on our show? First person that comes to mind for you.

Well, I would say Dr. Fab Mancini just because he's been there before me and he used the mainstream media to get where he is, which is kind of funny because the mainstream media is usually the ones that shut you down. But he used that tool to get his message out. You know, who else?

That's fine. We'll see if we can get an introduction to him, maybe we can get him on the show.

Yeah. Sure.

So yeah, thank you for that. And you know, in comic books there's always the crowd of people who are at the end cheering and clapping for the acts of heroism. So, analogous to that here is where can people find you if they want your help in biohacking, right?

Where can they light up the bat signal, so to speak and say, Hey Dr. Mike, I'd like to get the health freedom in my life. And I think more importantly than where is who are the types of people to reach out, who should be lighting up that bad signal?

What we do is we'll see where you are health-wise or business-wise, or in person life, and initiate a plan of action and a strategy. And I'm one of those mentors that will stick with you until you accomplish your dreams. You can check out my books. You can check out my speaker bio over there, you can check out my mentorship programs.

There's three different levels of programs and so yeah, check out the website. That's the only place from which you can look at my credentials and everything else and contact me also. So BioHackingUnlimited.com.

Yeah. Well I just wanna thank you to Richard. As I said before, without you, this word doesn't come out and at the same time, you're finding six freedoms. So I appreciate all your time efforts to keep our country sovereign and keep our freedoms alive.

Yeah. Thank you very much. Have a good day. Mike.

You're welcome.