You might have seen Schannon Yodice on social media as "That Tile Chick" and she has taken over Instagram and Facebook for her tile setting skills. She is also a a business owner, fitness lover, entrepreneur, and lover of all things blue collar!

In this episode we tackle some of the big mistakes that happen when DIY'rs and even Contractors tackle tile projects. This is an episode you will want to catch as if you are getting ready to tackle that tile project or even hire one out. This is packed full of useful tips!

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[00:00:14] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Directional traveling is super important because you have, you have your tile and then you have the tile, the surface you're putting it on. Right. We want to make sure is that your ridges that you've put on are going in all of the same direction, because when. Like Vincent is made to like, it like sucks the tile it, right?

[00:01:03] Eric Goranson: is around

[00:01:08] Eric Goranson: Caroline, we home improvement, healthy homes, construction design every single week. Thanks for joining us. Hey Caroline.

[00:01:18] Eric Goranson: We have a fun guest in the studio today. You might've seen her all over social media as that tile chick Shannon. Welcome to around the house.

[00:01:33] Eric Goranson: This is going to be a lot of fun that you are just crushing the trades out there.

[00:01:57] Eric Goranson: That's awesome.

[00:02:05] Eric Goranson: love disruptors.

[00:02:23] Caroline Blazovsky: So that's why I got with Eric. And I said, we had to have her on. She makes me feel like I could die.

[00:02:44] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Maybe you're not going to be the best at it at first, but take some. There's a learning curve.

[00:03:07] Eric Goranson: Yes. Beauty is

[00:03:29] Eric Goranson: you know, and as somebody that's done showers before, including my own steam shower with, with really good pro.

[00:03:58] Eric Goranson: There were [00:04:00] plenty of tile centers out there putting green board sheet rock in the, in the shower and laying tile over it. And then wondering why it didn't work.

[00:04:22] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So that means what, like, probably. You know, the, the scene that comes off of your shower, you know, and it's like sitting in the room because your vent fan is like clogged up with 10 years worth of dust, you know? So moisture resistant, not water. It's not even water resistant because you get that thing where it's going to so great.

[00:04:56] Caroline Blazovsky: so for amateur people. So Eric's always the person who's got [00:05:00] all the experience with building and I'm more on the environmental side. Right? So that is a big thing to me with mold, because we don't want mold from an environmental standpoint, but for the people who are B are bare bones, like.

[00:05:26] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Okay. So the first thing you want to do once the shower is demoed and you just basically have a clean slate is you want to think about, um, you just kind of want to think about.

[00:06:01] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: You can literally plan out where the niche is going to go in the wall so that you don't have like weird, crazy cuts around the niche. And that takes less time on you while you're installing the tile to plan out full tiles around the niche. And the way that you can do that is just simply by, yes, you're taking measurements of the wall.

[00:06:47] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: I don't have to make any crazy cuts. So that's what I would do first. Then I would figure out what kind of wallboard I'm going to use. I like foam board. So I am always using foam. Um, I like [00:07:00] it because it's light, it's easy to maneuver. You can cut it with a box knife. Like to me, if there's something that's going to make my life easier and it's faster, I'm going to use that.

[00:07:30] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So like just cut it right in the bathroom, pull my measurement, cut it and put it up on the wall. Um, so figuring out your layout before the walls go up. Okay. Then what you want to do is useful, especially for DIY, especially foam is you're going to pay significantly. 100%, but it is a much easier, [00:08:00] much more forgiving material to use.

[00:08:24] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So. And the year the sealant is water curable. So like you can essentially tile immediately. Whereas some other systems like the Schluter you'd use the banding and stuff and that, um, I'm pretty sure I don't don't quote me. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I think that they say you can tell right away, but I don't know, but the banding for me, I can never tile on the same day that I prepped for SLU.

[00:09:07] Caroline Blazovsky: the Artex is that what he was talking about? Remember, we were talking about when you have these weird shades bathrooms.

[00:09:32] Eric Goranson: And. There's still been some serious supply chain issues

[00:09:54] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: I mean, I've used the new RVX board and I'm pretty sure that they do a fiberglass, but it's like, [00:10:00] I didn't notice a significant downside there, but, um, It just all depends and their board is much more rigid. It's still super light and it's just much more rigid with some people prefer to work with that.

[00:10:32] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Those other little things are like, kind of. There it's for like the picky contractor who like uses it every day and is like, I don't like this board because blah, blah, blah. You know? Yeah.

[00:10:51] Eric Goranson: Yeah.

[00:11:12] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: You can get the walls really nice and flat. And when you're tiling to that, That's the most beautiful thing you could ever do, but. There's nobody that does that here. Not still. It's

[00:11:34] Caroline Blazovsky: It's very challenging to find. I did find an old tile guy. And when I say old, he was old and it took him a really long time to tile, but he was amazing and he was mixing mortar and he was doing the whole thing and he had the metal. That was the metal screening. And then he put, he laid all the mud. It was beautiful though.

[00:12:12] Caroline Blazovsky: The old mine,

[00:12:35] Eric Goranson: Okay. It's sealed up. It's awesome. Maybe, I mean, all it takes is to, to Nick, uh, Nick aligner or something like that. And a year down the road, you've got to match and you're ripping the whole thing out.

[00:12:54] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And, and what a big thing I see here is that they're not doing pre slope, so they'll put the final liner down on a flat [00:13:00] surface, you know? So then you do your pitch on top and it's like, okay, well, the water is going to go through because. The cement and the dry pack that you did was it's not waterproof.

[00:13:35] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Yeah. So, but they, there was mold everywhere, mold everywhere on the studs, on the pan and the, on the curb, everything was just kind of brought it. And I was lucky enough that I'm on a slab that this wasn't like a second story bathroom or anything. But like, if it was like on this second, second floor, you would have, there would be major issues.

[00:14:12] Eric Goranson: I mean, it was just, it was wild. I didn't understand why they were going to that expense on that when they could have gone with a, a newer system that would have been better.

[00:14:28] Eric Goranson: and they were remodeling a historic home, but inside, I mean, I mean, they were doing heated floors and everything else, so it didn't make any sense to me.

[00:14:48] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: People do weird things on telling you I see Shannon, how

[00:14:54] Caroline Blazovsky: So how did you find this love and. And I mean, was this your background or [00:15:00] where did you, or what was your education and then how did you end up in tiling? Which is a very cool story.

[00:15:21] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: I want to do that. Like, you know, my dad's like you wanna, you wanna put stack stone on this house? Okay. You know, like here, but I always, my main thing was I loved working outside and my dad worked outside all the time. And in the summer I'm like, it's beautiful outside. Like I want to work outside and then whatever he was doing.

[00:16:03] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: I worked for the port authority of New York and New Jersey, and I was an auditor. So I would get to travel around to all the different locations that they own. And I would audit actually their construction projects that they had going on. Like they were rewiring the Holland tunnel and I, like, I got to go out to site and do, and it was so cool, you know, but I was still an accountant.

[00:16:50] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And the reason was because one where we were working, it was like we were working in the inner city. We were, I lived 30 miles from [00:17:00] door to door and it would take me two hours to get to work every day. And I just took, I took an audit of my entire life. I'm just like, not happy. I don't think I want to do this for the next 40 years.

[00:17:22] Eric Goranson: you're bored. Right. When you're bored. I mean, and that commute, I did a two hour commute in Seattle and I lived there. It was the same thing. I mean, you go work your eight, nine hour shift and then you've got another four hours of commute time.

[00:17:38] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: It was just,

[00:17:50] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And then between that, and then like the weather, and then we were looking at, you know, houses that we can afford at anything that we can afford to buy was kind of like a small [00:18:00] house with like, you didn't get any grass, you didn't have a driveway, you know, I don't want to do, like, this is just, I, I don't think that I thought this through fully, you know, and I grew up by the Jersey shore.

[00:18:34] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And I don't, I don't want to live like that. So we kind of like just, we packed up our stuff. We were like, we don't have kids yet. We don't have any of. If we're going to make a change in our life. Now's the time we packed up. We moved down to Houston, Texas, and we think because of the weather, the real estate, like the economy here is really good.

[00:19:16] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And then. We ran into a lot of trouble finding installers for tile when it came to building showers. So that kind of got us like really like to take a nose, dive into the tile industry itself, and then fast forward to like 20, 20, you know, we were discussing like a lot about kind of just retracting back out of the big picture GC stuff and just going right into just doing tile and.

[00:19:52] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: my, my Instagram to like just highlight projects I was working on because I started doing a full time and, um, [00:20:00] no.

[00:20:06] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Excellent. I think anybody can do it. Yes. And I also think that like the information, all the information and the knowledge is out there.

[00:20:39] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: You don't just do it. You can never be prepared.

[00:21:03] Eric Goranson: And all of a sudden, all these companies went a new, better way of doing it. And now, I mean, it's like every two weeks, there's a new product coming out that makes it either more durable, easier to use, you know, and again, it's just new product after new product out there, but it's fascinating to. How fast the industry is changing.

[00:21:47] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: You know, with all the technological advances that we have. I still think that the construction industry is way behind because there might be things like solutions out there that exists for certain things, but we don't know it yet because that [00:22:00] company is still operating back how they did in like the nineties, you know?

[00:22:19] Eric Goranson: Yeah. It was funny. I saw a Schluter seminar in the two thousands.

[00:22:50] Eric Goranson: 80% of those tile contractors at the time were like, that'll never work. That's just. I

[00:23:11] Caroline Blazovsky: So they started introducing me. They'd be like, oh, there's this great system they're using in Germany. It Schluter, you know, you should get involved with it. And I, and I had to be about 10 years ago. I'd say that that's, that I remember. But it was that grassroots movement that sort of propelled in, like you said, it wasn't the manufacturers of Sluder who were out marketing it to contractors.

[00:23:33] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: for alternatives. Yes. Yeah, exactly. And, and that is, that's a very good benefit of foam board.

[00:23:43] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: my favorite part about

[00:24:02] Eric Goranson: Are you thinking like back splash or something like that? Or what's your kind of go-to if somebody said I want to start my first tile project and learn from it, what would you

[00:24:26] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Lots of like cotton. You can get some intricate cuts, but not too crazy. Um, if you've never tiled before. Honestly, super DIY, never tiled at all. They literally make stick on tiles. They're actual tiles, but you could stick them on. Um, well the tiles themselves aren't stick on. There's like a stick on that.

[00:25:05] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: When you're setting tile where you'd be most upset about is the fact that if like you messed up the way it looks or it's uneven, it's not straight because just figuring out how to get it to lay straight or where your level line is and follow a line. That's a big undertaking in itself. Then like once you get that down and you're like, okay, cool.

[00:25:55] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And then you can move on to other things like they make a mastic, [00:26:00] um, Glue. I don't know. I don't even want to call it thinset but it's a glue basically. And it's not meant for any wet areas, but if you work, if you wanted to use something that was more kind of like tiling, not in a wet area, in a very like a feature wall type deal.

[00:26:36] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Something sets require you to mix it for a certain amount of time. Some of it wants something sets, require you to let it slate, they call it. So you gotta let it sit, then mix it again. So make sure you read instructions on anything that you're using, because there's some very important things on there that if you just miss one little thing, you're like, man, why did this go horrifically wrong?

[00:27:02] Eric Goranson: there just because you used product a and it could be the same manufacturer, you change to this different product in the same manufacturer. And I almost guarantee you, the instructions will tell you to do it differently.

[00:27:33] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: You're just like removing the tile around the tub and then replacing it. You still have to do the waterproofing and all that other stuff, but it's like, you know, the next step, because when you do a walk-in shower, the shower pan, that's a little bit more to me that's advanced. And you know, if you're moving the drain and you're like installing a pan, et cetera, et cetera, waterproofing it doing.

[00:28:05] Eric Goranson: Yep. Hey, let's talk about for a second. One of the things that I see probably on social media, by homeowners, tile contractors, they make this mistake so much.

[00:28:21] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Uh,

[00:28:32] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So I'll tell you why it's important. Directional traveling is super important because if you have like, um, you have, I'm showing you guys, but this isn't going to be good.

[00:28:47] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: you have your tile and then you have the tile, the surface you're putting it on, right. Where you want to make sure is that your ridges that you put on. Are going in all of the [00:29:00] same direction, because when your tile like inset is made to like, it like sucks the tile in, right? Like you, once you put the tile there, it's not like flip flopping all over because if there's like a suction created, and then when you're, if you create that suction and the lines are going all mismatch, you're never going to collapse those ridges.

[00:29:43] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So that's why you want to do directional. But additionally, because if it's in a wet area, it's required 95% coverage on the back of the tile and that's because water will travel back there. And if it finds an open cavity, it's going to hang out. [00:30:00] And then what happens with water sitting, it's going to create mold, bacteria, et cetera, and all those things that you just don't want associated with your shower.

[00:30:23] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Good enough. So that's all these stories. So that's why I say this and. The the best way. How do you do it is you want to burn in the thin set on your substrate. So you want to use the flat side of the trout. You throw some, something set up on the wall and you, you like, it's kinda like what you see people doing with drywall.

[00:31:14] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Like if I'm tiling a wall, a feature wall or backsplash that I know has like maybe some dips and waves and differences in it, I will do both. I'll do the tile and the. Just because that gives me a little bit more room to play. If like, I ha I don't want I, if I want to adjust for LePage and stuff like that.

[00:31:53] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: You want the bridges to be running the shortest distance. This is just a technique to [00:32:00] say, okay, well, I know that because of that suction, that happens. So say for example, you put more pressure on like the right side of the tile versus the left, right? So like you put the. You put more pressure on one side and you collapse all the rages on one side of the tile, but now you're trying to push down the rest of the tile and the air can escape because you have it running the long side of the tile.

[00:32:54] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Um, and then, you know, if it's a large format, you use the vibrator, the hammer or whatever it is, but, um, [00:33:00] That is like the whole science behind the directional traveling. And it makes sense when you break it down, but it completely works because if you try to lift up a tile that you've used this method on,

[00:33:19] Eric Goranson: Um,

[00:33:36] Caroline Blazovsky: And so now you're giving the reason why it's, because there's these voids that can happen back there where it gets all trapped and funky and nasty and it just starts growing. And then it finds its way out.

[00:33:54] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: I'll see, they have a, like a, uh, acrylic pan or something on the bottom. And [00:34:00] then like, they'll have the shower, glass doors drilled into that. And under there is obviously I know would incur that they have, and they're drilling the doors into it. And then, you know, right outside the shower, there's like a little fester mold and there.

[00:34:40] Caroline Blazovsky: it's food for it.

[00:35:00] Eric Goranson: So I did the, uh, weedy, um, system on that because I wanted the video. You know, cause not only water, I was dealing with vapor and even, and I had slept porcelain walls. And so, um, I ended up pumping in, in the holes I drilled for the, for the shower door and the panels. And then I injected in the, uh, weedy sealant into that and then put the screw in just because I knew I was penetrating all the way through and I'm like, I'm going to do it.

[00:35:41] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Um, but I know that I'm pretty sure the weedy curve though, they have something where like you can penetrate the curve. I wouldn't recommend penetrating curves, but like I know weedy and there's another one on the market.

[00:36:25] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Nice right.

[00:36:52] Eric Goranson: So it makes it easier to clean in the shower and stuff. So it's fun seeing what some of these new companies, in many cases, you're going to be using that color [00:37:00] matched to whatever your grout is and a shower anyway, but I'm liking to see what some of these new things.

[00:37:08] Eric Goranson: Sashco, uh, we had them on a couple weeks ago, but it's, uh, they've got a bunch of new sealants out there. They're not silicone they're water cleanup, which is cool, but. Anyway, it's got an enzyme in it, so it'll never grow mold on it because it, uh, it eats the food that the mold has. So it just eats up the food all the time.

[00:37:45] Eric Goranson: It seems.

[00:37:51] Eric Goranson: what are you seeing on tile trends now? I mean, you are, you're seeing, you know, in your Houston area, a lot of stuff, but you're also traveling around, you know, the [00:38:00] country, you know, going to the, to the big shows and stuff.

[00:38:07] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Yeah. I'm seeing a lot of like, Last, so I coverings is coming up, but last year there was a lot of like, um, these really large porcelain tiles. Right. Super thin. And they're now like printing, like these beautiful pictures. So it's not just like tile made for purposes, like flooring and showers and things like that.

[00:39:01] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Genius. You know, that's, to me, that's, that's wild, you know, because to me pile is like, it's a luxury item for function, you know? And that's just for, just to look at,

[00:39:18] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: No, no. Especially if the substrate is like not flat or, you know, the problem that's, that's where I feel like the larger, the Thai.

[00:39:50] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So you're going to have lipid if you don't flatten that out. So it's a, it's a whole, a skill in

[00:40:12] Eric Goranson: And they doing that whole main floor thing. And they were putting in four by eight slabs of one cm on the floor, large format as tiles, but this was poured concrete, commercial building. They didn't pre float it. Right. And I'm watching this. I'm not a tile expert, but this is going to go badly. And it did. I mean, they had to order, they probably, after the first install on the floor in there, I bet you, they had to replace 12 to 16 panels because lipid John, uh, I mean, I would, I was walking the first time I noticed they had just gotten it in and I was tripping, catching the edge of my boot on the, on the floor.

[00:41:07] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: out first. No, they just brought like up, let's just throw this down. No big deal. Yeah. It's just unfortunate because I see that a lot in commercial spaces.

[00:41:37] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And I love the tile, but it is always popping up. It's never attached to the substrate. It's just barely grouted in. And it's so hollow. Like I could just pick this tile up right now and bring it home. Yeah. I don't want to do that. And you know, like, it's just like, And to me, I feel like as a consumer, you walk around and you [00:42:00] hear that, you know, and it forces you to look down because it makes this weird sound and you're like, oh wow.

[00:42:19] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And that's what they associate tile lets you know, and it's kind of, kind of.

[00:42:39] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Yep.

[00:43:09] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So always if like, if the tile contractor can explain to you, I think that they should be able to educate you a little bit. If they're able to educate you in a way where you're like, okay, I can take this and I can research it for myself. And your research leads to the same thing that they said, then in my opinion, So they are being transparent with you.

[00:43:52] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And we can, you know, if there is a major problem that we didn't account for, then, you know, we we'll stop and we'll have that discussion. Um, [00:44:00] just simple things that help you understand as the consumer, what you're getting like, we need to waterproof these walls. These are the steps. This is how long it's probably going to take.

[00:44:26] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: They're not spending more than what time they need to take out of their day to give you the, to just to pull the measurements and maybe take a picture to a. And to me, I think that that right there tells you, you can tell when somebody comes in your home and they truly know what they're talking about, and they can educate you at least just a little bit, even if it's surface level on what it is that they need to do to complete the job, walk you through the steps, tell you how they're going to do it.

[00:45:25] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Um, you know, ultimately it's always up to them. They can still choose anybody they want. But I think that by doing that, you're leaving the door open and saying like, I'm giving you the best possible advice that I can give you. And I'm showing you that I'm educated in this topic. And I think that that sets you apart from just the regular guy with a truck and a bucket.

[00:45:49] Eric Goranson: good point yet. I want to see on that estimate. I want to see kind of what's what's going on in the prep, even if it's just a little bit on there, but I like to see that documented of, okay. W what are you going to be doing? Not just [00:46:00] install tile, shower 9,000.

[00:46:08] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So like, you know, we're going to demo first. We're going to. We're going to prepare all the areas around the home that we will be walking through, et cetera, et cetera. So like you could read it kind of like a story. And, um, sometimes I'll even like break out the price for each thing by whatever, but it just all depends on our conversation with the client and how they want to see things.

[00:46:54] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Experience that they have. And then th that experience lasts on after you're gone, when they're continuing [00:47:00] to use the shower and it's functioning the way that you promise it's an experience that they will continue to have, and it leaves you in their mind forever. So that's, that's how I

[00:47:12] Caroline Blazovsky: And like we were talking about the expensive kitchen and bathrooms now, and Eric had all these great information about how. You're not getting as much return on a kitchen and our bathroom anymore, but how expensive it is. So these are big ticket items that people are investing in giving you a lot of money.

[00:47:38] Eric Goranson: Yeah, it used to be, it used to be that, that, you know, maybe the cabinetry in the bathroom or the countertop or something was the highest ticket item in that bathroom. And now it's.

[00:48:03] Eric Goranson: And I'm like, wow, that shower seems very under priced. You need to ask some questions on what's going on here. See, what's going on. I wanted to ask you about grout because this is one of those things that I think as there seems to be, every contractor has their, their theory, every, you know, most homeowners that have done a couple of tile jobs, their experience with grout is what's sitting on the home center shelf.

[00:48:32] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Yeah. I think that there's a different grout for each project. Right. And the only way, you know, that is if you have. I read about it and, okay, so this brings me back to what I was going to say. I had this really in-depth conversation the other day on my page, and I'll tie this into the ground, but I had this really the question conversation on my page about pricing, et cetera.

[00:49:16] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Um, it is not the homeowner's job to know your expertise and your skill is your job. And so like, for example, these car manufacturers that build these beautiful vehicles, like let's use Elon Musk because everybody knows who he is. He created this vehicle is one of a kind, right. It is an experience. People buy it because it is.

[00:50:08] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: You're there, they're living in it. It's not just let me just do this kitchen and like get the check and leave. And that's how a lot of contractors are. It's like, you really need to start understanding. The client is receiving a service, but it's an experience and they live inside the thing that you literally installed in their home, from everything, from, from the kitchen to the bathroom, to the tile that they look at every day, the faucet that you installed, everything, the mirror, the lighting, blah, blah, blah, everything they're experiencing it, you know, they live inside of that.

[00:51:06] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So they can't educate their client. And so if you have the manufacturer is not educating the client on what the right grout is to use for backsplash versus a shower what's sanded on sanded, premixed, epoxy, acrylic, they don't, who's teaching. You know, so of course they're not going to know why would they know it's not common knowledge?

[00:51:36] Eric Goranson: And they're not mixing the water right. Every time they're just like, they're not doing anything right on the, on the mixture either.

[00:51:59] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: [00:52:00] You're going to be like, now you have to bring up the chemistry. Just makes the whole bag. Like it is what it is. If you want to get the color. Right. And the consistency and the grout joints, you have to mix the whole bag if not

[00:52:22] Caroline Blazovsky: I don't mix the

[00:52:42] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: I know that they sell it at Lowe's than the pay stuff. My pay flex color CQ, which is, it's not a poxy, so it's not super crazy, but it's like an acrylic based. And it's, it's my favorite. It's like one of my favorite. Um, [00:53:00] and the color's amazing it's sanded. So like I wouldn't use it on like a natural stone.

[00:53:44] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: So you want to do a small section? I would say, you know, maybe. Five square foot or so, depending on how fast you work and if it's large format, obviously more, but, um, the law, the more ground joints you have, the smaller area, you [00:54:00] can work it. So now let it set up a little bit, so that it's a little tacky because what you don't want to do is start pulling out the ground of the joints.

[00:54:33] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Have to, you know, read the directions.

[00:55:00] Eric Goranson: Was more pink than white. Okay. And so when they, when the job was done cured, they had this white marble floor and pink grout and it got so sideways. The lawyers got involved and the grab manufacturer went well. Did you try that on in conspicuous area? Like we say, And a contractor went. Nope. And they said, well, you probably should have.

[00:55:55] Eric Goranson: It was on the car that was on the contractor's insurance by the time it got done. [00:56:00] But yes, it still ended up on the contractor, but that was a tile professional that does great work. A good contractor and it just went sideways. So when, in doubt with white grouts, I'm always now nervous with some of the white grouts out there to make sure it's the right white for you.

[00:56:39] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And if the grout is just slightly darker, it almost looks dirty.

[00:56:51] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: Yeah.

[00:56:59] Eric Goranson: Well, [00:57:00] what's the best way to catch you on social media? Cause you're out there just about everywhere. It seems.

[00:57:21] That Tile Chick Schannon Yodice: And if you have any like precise questions, you can send me an email that tile took it to gmail.com because my DMS or. Flooded. I don't have enough time to get to everybody. Unfortunately I love her,

[00:57:43] Caroline Blazovsky: So you can title in tile.

[00:57:49] Eric Goranson: Shannon. Thanks for coming on today. We really appreciate it. And we'll have you on again here at some point and we'll dive in even deeper.

[00:57:59] Eric Goranson: Thank you. [00:58:00] Thank you. I'm Eric G and I'm Caroline B and you've been listening to