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Welcome to the latest episode of *Common Sense Ohio*. Today, we present an in-depth discussion with our hosts Norm Murdock, Steve Palmer, Brett Johnson, and special guest George Pardos, from Vet Radio Syndicate. This episode will tackle the multi-faceted issues surrounding federal action (or inaction) regarding immigration and border security, historical perspectives, and state versus federal government dynamics.
Top Takeaways
1. Complexities of States' Rights: The debate on whether states should have the power to enforce immigration laws, traditionally under federal jurisdiction, in the absence of federal action reflects ongoing tensions between states' rights and federal authority in the U.S.
2. Federalism and National Security: The federal government's perceived inaction on border security and immigration has sparked discussions on the necessity and legality of state governments stepping in to fulfill these responsibilities, highlighting the federalism debate in national security matters.
3. Immigration's Socio-Economic Impact: The discussion underscores the complex socio-economic consequences of immigration on sanctuary cities, labor markets, and local communities, along with concerns about the costs associated with migrant benefits.
4. Drug Trafficking and Border Security: The strategic diversions created by cartels to facilitate drug smuggling while overwhelming border security with migrant crossings highlights the intricate connection between immigration issues and drug trafficking.
5. Contemporary Warfare and Ethics: The comparison of modern military strategies, such as Israel's precision bombing in Gaza, to historical tactics used by state and non-state actors, raises ethical questions regarding the consequences of warfare on civilian populations.
6. Challenges to Assimilation: George Pardos' anecdote about immigrant assimilation, alongside discussions on the cultural impacts of immigration, points to the dynamic nature of American identity and the potential struggles faced by newcomers integrating into U.S. society.
7. The Role of Religion in America: The conversation around Christianity's decline and its historical significance touches on the evolving role of religion in shaping American culture, values, and politics.
8. Government Trust and Liberty: Debates over gun ownership and historical skepticism towards government motives reflect a broader discourse on individual liberties, government trust, and the preservation of constitutional rights.
9. Impact of Congressional Decisions: The mention of a bill in Congress and the failure to pass beneficial legislation since 2008 underscores the significance of congressional decision-making in affecting the national direction and quality of life in the U.S.
Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.
Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.
Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.
Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.
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Transcripts
Alright. It's that time again for a little bit of Weekly Common Sense coming at you from Channel 511, Studio C Common Sense Ohio, or you can check us out at commonsenseohioshow.com. It is March 1. We've leapt into March 1. You see what I did there? Because yesterday was February 29. That doesn't exist except during leap year. So we've left right into March here, and March Madness is around the corner. And in order to deal with all that madness, common sense.
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Steve Palmer [:Or even while they're underwater during tax season, they were able to help out. So check out Harper Plus for your accounting needs. We've got George Partos here again. We, he's anybody who who tuned in a couple it was been 3 weeks, George. I don't I don't 2 or 3 weeks ago. He came in, and we we were gonna talk about the border and some of the the National Guard and the military, sort of get a different perspective when when you came in last time when we got sidetracked on all the other stuff. And I don't mean to say it was sidetracked on bad stuff. I mean, it was we covered a lot of ground, but, we've invited George back today to to give us some commentary on the border.
Steve Palmer [:But before that, you know, as everybody knows, I've been eagerly or not eagerly, let's say, studiously following World War 2, this day in World War 2 history. So March 1st in World War 2 history, 1943, taking a little bit different tact this year or this week because, you know, it's not always that there's a groundbreaking breaking battle in World War 2. And, you know, as a history major, I sort of came from the school where you study people on the ground. You know, so I I was always fascinated by what the soldier would experience, George, or what the what, like, what what was Eisenhower doing when he made the decisions? Not like, like, actually, where was he? Was he having coffee? Was he having drinks with you? And so, I mean, I find that stuff sort of fascinating, but cause I think it does influence our daily decisions and certainly our historic decisions. But today's a little bit different. On March 1, 1943, an estimated twenty 200 people crowded into the New York's Madison Square Garden, and a further 15,000 stood outside in a rally addressed by the World Jewish Congress, president rabbi Stephen s Wise, who is the head of the American Jewish Congress. Other speakers included, various people. But the idea was they were sort of asking the world to take action.
Steve Palmer [:They're asking the United States to take some action for to deal with the the oppression and the violence and, frankly, the killing of the Jews in Europe, by the Nazis, an an interesting quote. I I found this sort of you know, we always say history repeats itself, and, you know, some some interesting foreshadowing was going on here. He says that, you know, the time for prudence and caution has passed. We, Christian or we must speak up like men. And how can we ask our Christian friends to lift their voices and protest against the wrong suffered by the Jews if we keep silent? What is happening in Germany today may happen tomorrow in any other land on earth unless it is challenged and rebuked. It is not the German Jews who are being attacked. It is the Jews. Unfortunately, you know, how many ever years later there it seems like, there's some of that going maybe more of that than we like going on in mainstream, really.
Steve Palmer [:You know, mainstream media, mainstream around the universities, etcetera. So anyway, look and and this is not to say that, discrimination the other way is okay either, but certainly, the Jews are under attack. I think that they may be the closest allies to the West for, you know, how long now and, you know
Brett Johnson [:In that region, that's about it.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. That's it. And, so anyway, a little bit of interesting, maybe a sideways glance of World War 2, but certainly some of the political perspective that was going on.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. One one of the most notorious things that happened during that period was, a hole, you know, literally, a boatload on the Saint Louis. Jewish refugees sailed from Europe to the United States to to Cuba to, either Argentina or Brazil. But state tried various ports. Everybody turned them away. And, the rabbi you just mentioned was one of the people that called on FDR. Let the Saint Louis unload these these people, give them asylum, and FDR refused. At Cuba refused.
Brett Johnson [:They they had to sail back to Europe, go back to Germany, and many of the people on that boat that FDR turned away were later killed in concentration camps. They came this close to freedom. And that is a terrible scourge on on What is in our history.
Steve Palmer [:What is not often discussed about FDR is his close association and correspondence with the Nazis prior to World War 2.
Brett Johnson [:Big big time.
Steve Palmer [:I mean, the Nazis actually looked upon him or looked upon our sort of, Margaret Sanger, Eugenics Movement as they develop their final solution and how to deal with their, aryan supremacy and all this other b s. You know, it's like
George Pardos [:Right.
Brett Johnson [:It was missus Roosevelt who went flying with the Tuskegee Airmen to to show America that, blacks could be trained to do technical jobs like fly fighter planes.
Steve Palmer [:Right. Imagine that.
Brett Johnson [:Right? You know,
Steve Palmer [:and Human men could become soldiers. Right?
Brett Johnson [:Imagine. Was screwing with her own husband with that
Steve Palmer [:entire relationship. Is like a whole series of shows. No.
George Pardos [:But you also gotta remember, it wasn't in during that time with Montford Point Marines. It was the first time in the history of the Marine Corps that they had black marines. So during that time they were training in in Montford Point, North Carolina, the first black marines were being trained. Yeah. So from 1943, 44 on, they they were giving, you know, blacks the opportunity to join the Marine Corps. The Marine Corps prior to that had no blacks in it at all whatsoever.
Steve Palmer [:It's it's it seems so
Brett Johnson [:The military led the way towards integration of any other of any other institution. You can go back to the Buffalo soldiers that were in the cavalry right out west and, you know, and performed brilliantly.
Steve Palmer [:Oh, and even in the civil war.
George Pardos [:Yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right?
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. But, no. There's some fascinating history there. And those who think FDR is the darling of of freedom and and and
Brett Johnson [:In fact in fact, Steve, if you don't mind
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:The first American killed in the revolutionary war was Crispus Attic.
Steve Palmer [:Crispus Attic. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:A black man Mhmm. Was the very first casualty. So, anyway Alright.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Well, an interesting tidbit from, World War 2 history that, you know, maybe not the typical stuff, but I think
Brett Johnson [:it's important.
Steve Palmer [:All the more relevant today.
Norm Murdock [:I will say I will say just really quick about this Hamas, Israeli, war that's happening. We had talked when that, you know, first occurred back, what's it been 5 months ago? That least I was hoping that the IDF would go in there and do a very difficult job kinda like how we had to do in, in Iraq, and do a a very difficult job of clearing an urban area that's very hazardous to the to the soldiers, but I was hoping they wouldn't carpet bomb Gaza. It turns out they've carved they've killed 30,000 Gazans and most of those are not Hamas. Right? Yeah. And and that bothers me a lot. And and I am not criticizing Netanyahu for getting revenge and for trying to go after Hamas because they're insidious.
Steve Palmer [:Well, such as revenge.
Brett Johnson [:No question about it. I mean,
Steve Palmer [:at some point, you've gotta you
Brett Johnson [:gotta do the thumb. If you kill 2,000 people or 3,000 people like they did, you know
Steve Palmer [:That's an act of war.
Brett Johnson [:In no question. And then you don't get to say back to them, oh, this isn't the kind of war that we had planned
Steve Palmer [:on. While you were while you were shielding yourself with innocent civilians.
Brett Johnson [:Right. But it I just wanna say that that, you know so I'm not calling for anything. I'm not educated enough to know.
George Pardos [:Right. You're
Brett Johnson [:20 But 30,000
Steve Palmer [:It's it's tragic on by any measure. Right?
Brett Johnson [:It's a tragic, unbelievable number.
Steve Palmer [:Well, George, I mean, you know, what is your thought, just to ambush you here a little bit? Which I mean, you've got the Hamas sort of creating military strongholds underneath literally underneath civilian hospitals and and other places. You know, it it sort of shackles the military in a way that is just plainly unfair. I mean, what what like, what do you do with that? I mean, what are the how what's the soldiers' perspective on that?
George Pardos [:I'm gonna take back to what you're talking about World War 2 for a second.
Steve Palmer [:Okay.
George Pardos [:So we have bases in a in a place overseas in Japan called Okinawa. So Okinawa, when they and the reason I I'm gonna bring this up is to segue into what he Okinawa had underground bunkers, underground tunnels. Mhmm. When that was the first time that we had in history that we had to have an an invading force deal with underground tunnels was in in the the in Bougainville, Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Okinawa, and Tarawa, and Saipan. So though the Japanese were entrenched. That's a kind of warfare that they were using. And they saw that it was very effective. Fast forward to the French in Vietnam.
George Pardos [:Mhmm. The Vietnamese used the same kind of warfare, and they did it very effectively. So you now have seen the world has seen and non state actors and state actors have seen that bunker tactics work. Now we didn't use that in in, you know, World War 2. No other country used it other than Japan. Germany fought out in the open. They fought with tanks. They fought with you know, but no other country used it then except for the Japanese.
George Pardos [:And when we invaded Okinawa, we we had a higher casualty rate than we had at Iwo Jima even though Iwo Jima was a smaller we had more forces in Iwo Jima. Go to Okinawa, we we have to invade and then we carpet bombed the equivalent of whatever you wanna say it. We bombed what's called White Beach in order for us to have a landing force. So Hamas has you know, warriors follow warriors. Hamas has said, okay. Listen. We're gonna build tunnels. Tunnels are effective.
George Pardos [:You can move personnel. You can move troops. You can move guns. And one of the things about Hamas, and I I'm gonna point this out. So every day, you see caches that people have found that in in Gaza and this is the way they fight. You wind up, putting a cache in you know, you give a fighter a a 8 point gray quartet. They know exactly where it is. They fight for 1.
George Pardos [:They put on their kit. They, you know, put rounds down range, get some trigger time, shoot at the IDF, take all their stuff off, drop it. Then they go to the next cache, put another kit on, and then fire again. And they do this over and over again because they have the tunnel system to support them. So when they send in the IDF, they send in, their, you know, their military into these tunnel systems, they don't the 30,000 I I'm gonna say this. I I don't think that's accurate. I I I It's a u a UN statistic. So And but how many of those are Hamas fighters? How many of them are So
Steve Palmer [:you mean, of the 30,000, they might be just saying that they were not fighters.
George Pardos [:Right. And then Sort
Steve Palmer [:of like Vietnam. Right.
George Pardos [:Yeah. And and it's sort of like Vietnam. So the Rand when you get a chance, read about how the Rand Corporation does what's called force projection in in a theater about casualties. So you have a Hamas fighter. He's he drops his kit. All he needs is a cell phone. You know, he'd you know, you have a command and control center. They tell you, okay.
George Pardos [:Here's the next one. You go to the to you know, it's like, I'm gonna fight you at Papa Joe's. You know, fight you know, let's say we had an insurgency. I'm at Papa Joe's on campus. Then I'm gonna go down to to, you know, let's say, Roosters. I'm gonna go to different places and pick up another kit to fight. Yeah. So now you're playing the IDF is playing whack a mole.
George Pardos [:Yeah. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:And so Like the Viet Cong did. The same guy you see out in the paddy during the daytime acting like a farmer Right. Is is a soldier at night.
George Pardos [:Is a soldier at night. And if you take a look at what we did at, Hue City, you do look at Quadrant Province. People came in and out, and they're like, where are these guys coming from? So the tunnel systems we had a bomb that come tunnel systems. Then we did what's called linebacker 1 and linebacker 2, which in modern warfare has been the golden standard of bombing. And and now it's under Nixon, 1971, 72. You had linebacker 1 line which is the unilateral bombing of Laos, Vietnam, and Cambodia. And in no other country in the world has had more ordinance dropped on it than Laos. Now in modern warfare, everybody copies that system.
George Pardos [:And it doesn't matter whether you're American, English, French. That is the gold standard of dropping ordinance on a, whatever you wanna call it, a local force. Well, George, going back to your examples of the Japanese tunnel system, we were so freaked out
Brett Johnson [:at the White House and at the Pentagon about the Japanese and their tactics of fighting until they're dead. Right? Very few prisoners were taken at Iwo Jima for example. Right? So we were so freaked out to use your point about linebacker and arc light b 52 drops. We used we used atom bombs twice on Japan for this for the reasons that you're bringing up. The larger reasons is that they were going to energize the entire population to include children, to kill marines on the beaches. Right. But and then also, you point out with that, we dropped 2 atom bombs, but we dropped more ordinance on Tokyo Conventional.
George Pardos [:Yeah. Than the the damage of the atom bomb.
Brett Johnson [:Fire bomb. And it killed more people.
George Pardos [:And it killed more people in Tokyo. So I
Steve Palmer [:didn't know that.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Yeah. We dropped more people on in Tokyo. I knew I knew there
Steve Palmer [:was a significant there was a lot of but I didn't know it killed more.
George Pardos [:Interesting. And then so, I gotta tell you this. I I was in in Sasebo, Japan, and they still had when I was there in the eighties, they had signs, no Americans allowed. So I might guess if you're 45 miles away from where you dropped a couple out of bonds, I could see where you're kind of upset about that. Yeah. And, and And it was
Brett Johnson [:a guy from Columbus, Curtis LeMay, who who in who did who who orchestrated those, those, bombing campaigns on Japan.
George Pardos [:He retired. He was one of the pilots. He he retired here here in Columbus. I got I went to a speech he gave, and I saw the trigger that he had on, one of the the he would bring in and he would talk about it. They so when when the IDF now is bombing into Gaza, they're using laser guided ordnance. And if you take a look at the videos that were posted yesterday in parts of Gaza, they're still going out into the marketplaces. They're getting food. They're it's not the the tunnel system has created a a vacuum of what is, you know, what is a combatant? What is a you know, what is it?
Brett Johnson [:And and so Can we transition about these tunnels to the border? I
George Pardos [:think Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:Is because we have tunnel system across our border.
Steve Palmer [:Well, it's it's an interesting segue. But before we do that, though Yeah. Please. Like, what is the I I it's sort of like my comment on history. It's like, what's the soldier's perspective on this? I mean, you've got civilians in the way of military targets. And, you know, on the ground, I I I get it. Soldiers follow orders, and they're supposed to follow orders, but they're also human beings. What's the perspective on this?
George Pardos [:I'm gonna I served with general Mattis when I was in the Marine Corps. And he put it the best way. If you have to take a shot to kill a civilian, it's gonna create another don't do it. And and, I mean, just just don't do it. And I think that the IDF has been pretty, has been has followed that pretty they've offered aid. They've offered food. They've, you know, they've they've helped out.
Steve Palmer [:Get issued warnings. Hey, look. Yeah.
George Pardos [:We're gonna bomb this building. You know, it's like, hey.
Brett Johnson [:There there have even been a few cease fires to exchange prisoners.
George Pardos [:To exchange prisoners. They you know, the Egyptians hostages. Yeah. And Hamas is I mean, you know, the Egypt is not letting anybody through the Rafah Gate, which they could. It is a it's a very part of it is it it's we haven't seen this since Dresden. And and and that's the problem. We have not bombed And, you know, maybe since, you know, the From Vietnam, you mean. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. I mean, because No.
George Pardos [:But we didn't bomb in in Vietnam, we didn't bomb that many civilian areas. Oh, that's right.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, no question.
George Pardos [:Exception of the in 69 in 69 at the end of 69 going into 70 where we bombed into going into Hanoi, you know, we did but we very rarely dropped ordinance on civilian populations in Vietnam. We haven't this there's nothing that we have seen on the on the ally system since Dresden. Now with the Russians, they did this in Chechnya.
Brett Johnson [:Well, a lot of people say Obama was a little loose with his drone kills killing civilians.
George Pardos [:He was. Like,
Brett Johnson [:he took out a he took out a whole wedding.
George Pardos [:And he took out the the the school in pack I mean, he took out the medical system in Pakistan. And one of the one of the problems that you have is again, it goes back to nonstate actors because this is one of the things we're we're battling on the on the border. So right now, the Sinaloa cartel at the border is acting the same way Hamas is. Absolutely. So you can go to a coyote. And the average cost to bring you over to the border right now, according to the the people that I talked to that are in in the, you know, the Texas state militia and there is $8,000. That's what I heard. Yeah.
George Pardos [:And and so you you take somebody across they have systems over there. They're using drones. They're using, you know, electronic surveillance. They're using what's called gap jumping broadcasting. So what they're doing is they're finding where where the holes in the the wall are. And they're they're running they'll run people through them. And then they'll pull back. And then they have tunnels to go through this, you know, they to go through some of the, I don't wanna say, better patrolled areas.
George Pardos [:But once they get into the inside of the the part of the US, they then they have mules. So they're gonna get they're they're gonna get a person inside the border. And the way that this works is if you have let's just say you have Jose. Okay? He he travels across the border. He pays the system $8,000 to get them across the border. Then once they get in here, then they have a transport system that gets you to whatever the final destination city it is, whether it's, you know, San Francisco, Chicago, places that, you know, are, let's say, migrant friendly. Then the the problem is that we have to as on our side, we have to stop where the poorest you know, where the biggest surge is. The problem with that is there's so many people coming across.
George Pardos [:And when you're guarding one space, you leave another one open. And they're very good at this.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. And and to your point of the $8,000, it's not like they have $8,000 on them. They owe that that mule their life.
George Pardos [:Well, they owe their mule their life or they and and so
Brett Johnson [:because they'll they'll never pay it back. The coyote. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They they They never will. They'll be human trafficked the rest of their life.
George Pardos [:Some will. Some won't. You know,
Brett Johnson [:I mean, you know, it's the there's the propensity that that will happen.
George Pardos [:That's
Brett Johnson [:and that's sad.
George Pardos [:It is. But here's the thing. You can pay that back in numerous ways. You can work it off. Right. Right. You know? I mean, we had in Sandusky, Ohio, we had the the rate on the on the processing plant. They had, what Yeah.
George Pardos [:200 illegals. They'll wait but here's the other way they'll pay it off. They'll launder that money for the cartel by sending that money back to Mexico to help out their families. Right. Right. So there's a if you go down across right across the street from the casino Mhmm. You have the you know, that mart down there.
Steve Palmer [:In Columbus here on Broad Street.
George Pardos [:On Broad Street. There's a you know, the casino right across it is a huge they use 4 different systems of sending money overseas. So if the cartel tells you, hey. You're gonna send you know, $1,000 to Juan Jose Fernando, you know Yeah. Yeah. Then that's where you're gonna say it. And it's the same thing with I I'm gonna use another example, Somalia. We have Somalian migrants walking across the border.
George Pardos [:You have Syrian migrants. Well, in some Chinese. And you have Chinese. And you send that money back to them. It is you know, if you earn it here, you can earn it here, send it back there. Mhmm. You're doing 2 things. You're getting migrants across the border, and now you're laundering money Mhmm.
George Pardos [:Which is becomes an even better opportunity for the cartel.
Brett Johnson [:Right. Venezuelans are just dumping out their their prisons and jails. This nut that killed that lock in Riley, you know, that he he he said he's a, a recidivist, felon from Venezuela and had no he he had been stopped multiple times by law enforcement in the US. And he he Well, look. I mean he gets to remain.
Steve Palmer [:If you've got horror if you're a country and you've you've got horrible, awful criminals and you don't know what to do with them and our borders are wide open,
Brett Johnson [:just send them by. Like a solution, doesn't it? Castro's merial boat lift.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Exactly.
Brett Johnson [:Empty down It's kind of obvious, isn't it? Yeah. Of of
Steve Palmer [:course, you could say the whole United States was founded that way. But but
Brett Johnson [:Or Australia.
Steve Palmer [:Australia. Australia. Australia certainly was. Right. Right.
George Pardos [:And and part of it too is the fact is that, you know, our our our country was founded on guns. Let let's let's be realistic. I mean, our guns have been used and guns and violence have been used to to fight, you know, this country, with the exception of maybe the Louisiana Purchase. But other than that, I mean, we we settled this country with violence. I mean, it's you know, one thing I'd like to say is, hey. You know?
Brett Johnson [:As humans always did. Back to antiquity. Yeah.
George Pardos [:I mean I hate
Brett Johnson [:to mention a certain ancient Greek named Alexander. Mhmm. Oh, yeah. He was he he you know? But you know what? He's in Persia, hardly Greece. You know? Yeah.
George Pardos [:And and one of the reasons he did that was the the fact to push back the Persians. And but the Persians were a little bit different, and and their approach was like, hey, we're we have an we have a bigger force than you. We can take you over, or or you can ally with us. Keep you keep your kingdom
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
George Pardos [:Just to help us, you know, when
Steve Palmer [:Well, to some extent, that that that is human migration
Brett Johnson [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:At its at its core. I mean, the the Romans did it too. I mean, the Romans had the Romans were in Britain, in the UK.
Brett Johnson [:And and the British, how they established their, empire. But we do we do bring up
Steve Palmer [:we we bring up a good point. Well, a point should be brought up rather, I should say. And that is sort of when when Rome became intolerant, that's when it failed. That's when the empire failed. Right? So it's like a
Brett Johnson [:And distracted.
Steve Palmer [:And distracted. Screwing around. You know, sort of like what's happening now. Right? A little bit.
George Pardos [:Yes.
Steve Palmer [:But but
George Pardos [:You know when Rome fell? When they adopted Christianity.
Steve Palmer [:Sure. Because they became intolerant.
George Pardos [:Right? That's when they
Steve Palmer [:When the government mandated certain edicts from above on everybody, all their Roman citizens, and they defined citizens of everybody that their whole empire covered. You know, that's when it became impossible because then you it's impossible to have that centralized rule over that big of an empire, which, you know, looking at our country, our founders, the genius of it is that they didn't do that. Well And and we created the United States of America. And it was it was a it was an association of different government, association of different people with not necessarily all the same ideals, similar, of course, but not all the same. And we could bring in a melting pot. And this is why the immigration problem is manifesting now is because we're not controlling it in the way that we settle this country. We are letting people in to have their own culture within ours and not become Americans.
George Pardos [:No. No. I'm gonna I'm gonna push back on that. No. Within so I'm gonna give you an idea. I have a friend of mine that we got out of Somalia on a on a on a provincial visa when we was
Brett Johnson [:in Somalia. And he is a Somalian?
George Pardos [:Somalian. Okay. He is, you know, 400 years Somalian. He lives in New Jersey. He was our translator. So when we were in Mogadishu, he was the guy we used as a translator. Got him out in Somalia. He got him to the refugee camp, got him through the UN.
George Pardos [:This is 1994 90 94, 95. He gets to the US after being screened in the the beginning of 90 95. His son, Jamal is a 100% Somalia, goes to you know, he goes to the mosque. He goes to Jummah prayers. He doesn't eat any of his son, uh-uh. His son is on Snapchat. His son is on
Steve Palmer [:True. Becoming he's becoming westernized, you would say.
George Pardos [:Westernized. And and what America does within 2 generations, doesn't matter who you are, whether you're German, Greek, French, Italian, it you become American within 2 generations. There are now Mexicans that have came here in the eighties under Ronald Reagan's, the Immigration Reform Act. Their kids don't speak Spanish. Correct. But and and Fair enough.
Steve Palmer [:My pushback, though, is we're not this is not what has always happened, though. What's going on now is totally different. I mean, we have people coming in with a different agenda all together that we have no idea what it is even. I mean, we're speculating at this table what the cartels are doing. You know, they're sending in criminals to launder their money. They're it's like Well,
Brett Johnson [:yeah, we're not speculating that at all. Have a
Steve Palmer [:grasp on what exactly is going on. And, you know, the schools aren't, you know, there was a time when people came into the country, and there was it was expected, not mandated, but it was expected that you would learn the language. Now what you're saying is over time, it happens anyway. So maybe it's 2 generations away. But I wonder if in 2 generations from now, you're gonna be right, or in 2 generations from now, our country is not here anymore.
Brett Johnson [:Well, George, let let me jump in.
Steve Palmer [:I get it. That's a little bit dramatic.
Brett Johnson [:Let me jump in a little bit. I don't know if you meant to to make it cause causational, if that's a word, when the Romans and I think you're drawing an analogy to America when, Christianity took hold. So coincidence, it does not equal causality scientifically. So it could have been coincidental, not causal. Because in America, we're losing our shit here in this country as Christianity has declined. So I don't know if that's causal or just coincidental also.
Steve Palmer [:I think the
Brett Johnson [:fact is not Christianity. Anymore.
Steve Palmer [:It could have been It could have
George Pardos [:been genocide. I I've I will push back on that. Yeah. There are more have you seen the Catholic church's numbers?
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. I am Catholic.
George Pardos [:Yeah. They're not People are not in church
Brett Johnson [:like they used to be.
George Pardos [:But they're not losing their their you might say that, but their donations are still equal. They're and and the like, the Greek
Brett Johnson [:the Greek Orthodox Church closed down Catholic schools all over Columbus, for example. I mean, they're hurting. Mace basically Well, both
Steve Palmer [:of those things can be true at once.
Brett Johnson [:That's right. Basically.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Both of those things can be true at once.
Brett Johnson [:Basically because of the priest, the perceived priest scandal. They lost a shit ton
Steve Palmer [:of capital. The point though is not Christianity as it is. The point was when you cram it down and force people to do something, whether it's Christianity, whether it's Islam, or some other religion, and you say all your citizens have to conform, that's when it becomes unwieldy. And our country's never done that.
Brett Johnson [:Rome fell a few times. Once under Nero, for example.
Steve Palmer [:Well, he's just a lunatic.
Brett Johnson [:Right? And later under, and later, Rome ascended again, you know, Constantine, named Istanbul Constantinople because the Catholic Church was at that time not in Rome but in Constantinople. That's where the headquarters was. So we they had conquered Persia at that point. So, I mean, the barbarians took over Rome 2 or 3 times.
George Pardos [:It won. And then he had and it they had that problem. But And
Brett Johnson [:it wasn't because of Christians. The Germans.
George Pardos [:Yeah. Well, we yeah. But I think the the the problem when you're saying about the church here in America let me point something out. Do you you know what hallow when Halloween is?
Brett Johnson [:Do I know when, like the calendar date? Yeah. No. I don't trick or treat anymore.
Steve Palmer [:So
George Pardos [:It's October you know, it's the
Steve Palmer [:October 31st.
Brett Johnson [:Right. Okay.
George Pardos [:What happens the next day? All Souls' Day. Yeah. They start playing Christmas music and everything.
Brett Johnson [:I know. I know. Well yeah. That too. Yeah.
George Pardos [:I mean, there you can't go in November if November 1st secular.
Steve Palmer [:That's secular.
Brett Johnson [:That's secular.
Steve Palmer [:That's a secular celebration of Christmas.
George Pardos [:Think about this. Halloween. But at at one time, Christmas was outlawed in parts of the United States. You didn't celebrate Christmas.
Brett Johnson [:Catholics were not allowed to own property in some of the colonies pre America.
George Pardos [:Well and and you gotta remember, JFK was our 1st Catholic. Right. You know, he was the first Irish Catholic Right. President. So people looked at the Catholic church as a as a They were worried the
Brett Johnson [:pope would control John Kennedy.
George Pardos [:Yeah. And not would have probably been better if he might have lived through Dallas. But the the point of it is that the the church in America has a lot of influence. The the problem that we have is when they become absurd. When you have people like Joel Osteen, when you have Creflo Dollar, Ken Copeland, that that shows you the absurdity of the church.
Brett Johnson [:Well, I don't think they're controlling our culture at all.
George Pardos [:Oh, I think it's
Brett Johnson [:I'd I'd have to agree, George. They probably a little bit more than you rely. I I I feel it at least. But I kinda wonder it. To your point,
George Pardos [:I think passed hold on. Yeah. Do you think Alabama, the IVF rule that they passed in Alabama, is not based on a Christian doctrine?
Steve Palmer [:Well, I think our entire country is founded on a Christian doctrine.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. What's wrong with that?
George Pardos [:No. Article 6 of the constitution says otherwise. They didn't they you gotta remember. We did they fought the 100 year war prior to when England and France had fought a 100 year war. Our founding fathers did not want Christianity into the
Steve Palmer [:They didn't want the government to adopt an official religion.
George Pardos [:Religion. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian. Ben Franklin was not a Christian. George Washington wasn't a Christian. So when you start talking about
Steve Palmer [:I'm gonna disagree with all of them anyway.
George Pardos [:Yeah. I know. Have you read the Thomas Jefferson Bible?
Steve Palmer [:I yes.
Brett Johnson [:And and but, George, what are you trying to say exactly? Because if you think if you think that conservative religion is running America today, I I I don't know what to I I don't know what to there is so much there is so much degradation and so much sickness in our culture. We can we we've slid down the hill in in terms I'm
George Pardos [:not saying that we I I'm not saying there's parts of America.
Brett Johnson [:I mean, the number one country for child prostitution is now America.
George Pardos [:No. It's not.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, yeah. It is.
George Pardos [:No. It's not.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, yeah. It is. Those girls coming across the border India is. They're paying it off on their backside. India is. Well, that's that's not what the people who monitor child,
George Pardos [:sex slavery are saying. They're saying America is now number 1. India has the the India has the largest enslaved population in the in in the world right now. There are 21,000,000 and this is according to the UN. There are 21,000,000 slaves in India. 21,000,000.
Brett Johnson [:Okay.
George Pardos [:Now since 1990. Right. India has killed 30,000,000 women. 30,000,000 since 1990. How how have they done that? Either through, what do you whatever you call it, infant side or through Oh. Or through abortions.
Steve Palmer [:K.
Brett Johnson [:They have killed Like China does.
George Pardos [:Like China does. So have you ever heard of the 882 plan? So in China, there are towns. In in the history of the world. If you if you take a look at any country, anywhere in the world, it's a 105.4 males at birth for a 100 females. It's the only time that there's more males than female is at birth. That that's natural order. And then as males get older, they die off. It it just happens.
George Pardos [:So in China, what has happened and in other parts and you can look this up. In other parts of India, it's there's 882 females for every 1,000 men. So what they're having they're having a problem with it is that there's not enough females to go around. Now if you take a look at what's going on in Bangladesh and what in Sri Lanka, they have said, hey. We need to slow down the birth rate. In India alone, the amount of sex trafficked females is absolutely horrendous. The the 2 industries in India and this is why I push back on the vegans. The the most enslaved product in the world to produce, number 1, is is co is coffee.
George Pardos [:Number 2 is sugar. 3 is cashews. And India and they use slave labor for that. And India is using female, whatever you wanna call it, prostitution, the sex trade, and they lead now the US, yeah, we have a lot of we have a lot of sex trafficking
Brett Johnson [:and it is going on. And slavery. You mentioned And
George Pardos [:and we have slavery.
Brett Johnson [:I live out by the egg farm in Croton. Okay? They the the and we mentioned this a previous show. The largest fine by the Department of Labor in its history up to that time was against the egg farm for cramming, South Americans, Mexican workers into unheated homes in the in the depth of winter. There would be 25, 30 men, all men, living in an unheated home basically burning the floorboards for heat. Yeah. And and and so if that isn't slavery, now we wouldn't call it slavery because we're not keeping statistics like that in America. But with 12,000,000 since Biden became office, 12,000,000 illegal immigrants into America. You said in India, 222,000,000, 21,000,000.
Brett Johnson [:I'll bet you we're there. I'll bet I'll bet we have that many people in this country that are economic slaves, if nothing else.
George Pardos [:Oh, the economic slaves is that not even but part I'm just saying, man.
Brett Johnson [:But I'm so I'm not arguing with you.
George Pardos [:No. No. No. No. Argument is
Brett Johnson [:is fine. Definitions are important here. Yeah. Right.
George Pardos [:And the and the problem is we
Brett Johnson [:we want it.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. No. No. No. We've created a a society that has available cheap labor. It's not that we need it. Because if we didn't have it available, we would pay whatever the going rate is for labor, and everything would adjust.
Brett Johnson [:True. Yeah. And orange would be $2 instead
George Pardos [:of that
Steve Palmer [:pot. It's not like, you know, this is this economics is far more complex than that. There's too many there's too many forces at play to say, we need cheap labor. We need cheap labor because we have it. And if we didn't have it, what would we do? Would we not have oranges? Would we not have our fruit picked? Would we not have our vegetables? I mean Would we use robots
Brett Johnson [:instead of people? I mean, what change there would be Like Wendy's is change, there would be Like Wendy's is doing?
Steve Palmer [:Multiple dynamics have changed if we didn't have it available.
Brett Johnson [:That's right. That's how they knew in the the the reaper from an international harvester that he created that because we didn't have the labor. So mechanical stuff come into play.
Steve Palmer [:This is what happens whenever the government starts to
Brett Johnson [:pay by Whitney's cotton gin
George Pardos [:Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:Was going to obsolete slavery in the South.
Steve Palmer [:Right. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:By just a few years.
George Pardos [:But
Steve Palmer [:this is what happens when the government starts to tinker with the economic realities of the market and try to put its thumb on the scale of what it wants to incentivize. And there are always unintended economic consequences to that.
Brett Johnson [:And and Electric vehicles.
George Pardos [:But you also gotta remember too, if the government doesn't get involved in economics, you have what you did in 18/96. And and that's a problem that people that's a problem.
Brett Johnson [:What what happened in 1896?
George Pardos [:JPMorgan had to bar had to lend the United States government money.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. The big bailout there.
George Pardos [:And and and so one of the things that you have is and and listen. I'm to the the right of Genghis Khan. I I mean, basically, I mean, with the exception is like, I don't care if you get married. You know, I gay marriage.
Brett Johnson [:I like how you said that. You didn't say it like John Kerry. Genghis gone. Thank you.
George Pardos [:Yeah. I'd I'd I'd he is I'm sorry. John Kerry is there's a few people I'm gonna dance a jig when they they put his on.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Invite Glenn for that. Invite I have
Steve Palmer [:a plan.
Brett Johnson [:And and senator Ketchup, invite me, to your jig.
George Pardos [:Number 1 on my list is Jane Fonda. That that that that's the next one. I know Jane.
Brett Johnson [:I can imagine.
George Pardos [:And and George Soros is right after that. But He's Greek. Right? No. He's
Brett Johnson [:What is Jewish. He's
Steve Palmer [:Jewish. He's
George Pardos [:Jewish. Oh, okay.
Brett Johnson [:I did I did not know that. Okay.
George Pardos [:So one of the problems that we have, going into this is that the government has had to step in because you, you know, you look at the 1934, Stock Act. You know, the p you know, if the government doesn't step in, you know, why do you have to have a why do you have to have a law license to practice?
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. That's a good question.
George Pardos [:You know? I mean, does Abraham Wouldn't
Brett Johnson [:the market fix that? Abraham Lincoln didn't.
George Pardos [:I think so. I think they I don't
Steve Palmer [:I look. I you you wanna get me down this libertarian rabbit hole, I'll go with you because look. I I think that when the government steps in, when when you point to the instances when the government has had to step in to fix things, you can almost die almost always dial back the clock to some incidents where the government caused the problem they're now trying to fix and then take credit for fixing it.
George Pardos [:And And they have. And and we but part of it that the government is reactionary. And we have it. And there was
Brett Johnson [:things That's right.
George Pardos [:We that there are things in that have happened in the social structure that you have never seen, and they don't know how to and and it's always you know, we we wanna think that we're smart humans, but predictability, we don't know. I'll give you in a prime I'll give you a prime example about this. In 1998, there was a they had a UN meeting about cloning. Now you think about this for a second. If you would've cloned, let's say, Bill Clinton.
Brett Johnson [:Right? God.
George Pardos [:I I mean Lord help us. But did Jesus. Yeah. I mean, think about it. You you you you cloned Bill Clinton or you cloned George Bush or you cloned a a a leader. Eventually, they're going to be you know, now you're gonna have what's called cellular aging. But what happens if that person now commits a crime?
Brett Johnson [:Right.
George Pardos [:I mean, that that is one of the things that they they they were arguing about because if you, obviously, you know, you're a lawyer and and one of the things you have is a mens rea for committing a crime, right, when you have to defend, you know, people. Mhmm. What happens to that? And so they said, no. We're gonna outlaw cloning. And the only country as of today that has cloned people that they've been able to
Brett Johnson [:Human embryos
George Pardos [:is China. Is North Korea.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, I'm not I'm not
Steve Palmer [:suggesting that the government has no role in the in the economic structure of our society. Right. And I don't think you're suggesting that they they should have a complete role to engineer it. Somewhere, the curves cross. And I think our government Right. Has crossed it many, many, many times in
George Pardos [:the house.
Steve Palmer [:Way. And then come in later, like the heroes, to solve the problem that they created. I mean, the housing crisis in 2008 is no is a perfect example of that. And there's there's dozens and dozens hundreds of others if you just go back in history.
Brett Johnson [:Their response to COVID 19.
Steve Palmer [:COVID's a perfect example.
Brett Johnson [:I mean I mean, doctor Phil got on The View this week. Right? And he horrified the women there by saying the solution to COVID, the the programs put in place by the government, cause more harm to children
Steve Palmer [:than COVID itself. So this is
George Pardos [:in in But Obama caused COVID.
Steve Palmer [:Well, a lot of those policies
George Pardos [:No. No. No. No. A lot of those
Steve Palmer [:I'm gonna finish it up.
George Pardos [:In 2014 again, look this up. Funding the lab is No. No. No?
Steve Palmer [:No. They said he can't fund the lab.
Brett Johnson [:And then
George Pardos [:he redefine what funding it I wanted to put I do so part of the things we that we worked on is I I I study I was working on my on mitochondrial repair with applied compounds, and that is to help veterans. We have a product, and and I'm not gonna segue you on. We have a product that that we've introduced in marketplace that is helping, cellular repair for veterans that have been exposed to burn pits and to certain health factors on when they've been deployed. This is my room. 2014, there's a doctor by the name of Warner. Came out and said, we need to come up with an antiviral peptide. $500,000,000 would have cost. That's it.
George Pardos [:And he and him, you can look him up on the NIH. He said, if we develop this antiviral peptide, we will be able to fight diseases like COVID. COVID is infectious bronchitis. It was in 2004. It was there's a a doctor by the name of Sanon Uduoglu. He's a Turk. And you know how difficult it is for me to give him
Brett Johnson [:God. I mean, to
George Pardos [:give him credit for this, he he did the vectors
Brett Johnson [:Okay.
George Pardos [:On COVID. Yeah. SARS, MERS, and COVID, and he did the vectors. So we had a blueprint of how to fight it. If if they would have listened to him in 2014 and said, hey, we could have came out with an antiviral peptide, we would have never had the issue with COVID. I
Brett Johnson [:thought I'd heard this story before And at that point in time.
George Pardos [:And the problem has been that these people that are in charge, they vote against our own best interest.
Brett Johnson [:I mean, closing schools down for 2 years in some states.
George Pardos [:I mean
Brett Johnson [:I mean, the destruction we had we had teen suicides. We had all kinds of stuff.
George Pardos [:We were not prepared for it.
Brett Johnson [:Well and to your example too, I think they what they were thinking was going to happen was mind boggling that they I think they came back and said this can't happen. There's no way the world could be affected by one thing. Wasn't it? That little bit of a mindset that it was just it's an it's impossibility. How could that happen? But And the
George Pardos [:and Nancy Pelosi were in office, they could have passed an immigration reform bill.
Brett Johnson [:And Oh, dude. Dude. Post 911, Bush could have gotten anything in that in the in the next 2 or 3 months. Yeah. That was the time. George Bush the second after 911, when we knew it was illegal immigrants that were flying those planes. They had overstayed their visas, several of them, which made them illegals. Right.
Brett Johnson [:Right? And that was the time to harden our border, our southern border. And he could've gotten it. He could've said, listen. It's foreigners that came into our country that we didn't know where they were or what they were doing, and we should now absolutely know 100% every person that comes in, vet them, and end this bullshit. And and he could've done it, and and that was a big failure on Bush's part.
George Pardos [:And part of it part of the government is and I and I would tell you this. Debt of Honor came out Tom Clancy wrote a book called Debt of Honor where these anti, whatever you wanna call them, terrorists fly 747 in the capitol building. K? That the and and if you take a look at the book, Dead of Honor and they had this scenario planned Absolutely. In war games Yeah. Numerous times. The one that
Brett Johnson [:hit the Pentagon was hunting for the White House, wasn't it?
George Pardos [:No. No. No. The one that didn't the one that went down,
Brett Johnson [:the In Pennsylvania? You that was the one hunting for the White House? Yeah. Okay.
George Pardos [:And one of the problems is some things sound so absurd that they do not think they will work.
Steve Palmer [:Mhmm.
George Pardos [:You know, in World War 2, going back to this, and I and I we there is a German sub. I think it was 851. I I'd I'd have to look up the number. But it it was New York Harbor, and they wanted to basically what is I think it's called the Bowery, whatever you wanted you know? They wanted to blow up that part of New York Harbor to stop ships coming out. They tried it. One of the other things that they had done is that there's another German U Boat that made it into the Philadelphia the Philadelphia, naval yard. And we we just don't think the people that and until recently where you have the 5th generation warfare, you don't think that people are going to do things. It just like goes back to Hamas.
George Pardos [:No one on the Israeli government says, wait a second. These guys are gonna take paragliders and, you know, come into a music festival and attack our citizens? Nah. Come on. This is Like like Batman. Like Batman. And
Brett Johnson [:and so When you push a a society so far, they have nothing to lose. They're going to do the unbelievable.
George Pardos [:Right. And and and it's and and I don't you know, the Palestinians lost whatever credibility in 1972 when they they one of my biggest pushbacks in Palestine, and I and I've trained in Israel.
Brett Johnson [:Well, hijacking, you're talking about, and the Munich Olympics.
George Pardos [:Now I want you to point I I wanna give you a a a story about this because I I I post this story all the time. My coach in in Greco Roman, wrestling was a guy by the name of Pavel Katzen. Pavel Katzen and Mark Slavin were counterparts. Mark Slavin is one of the Israeli athletes that was killed. He was a Greco Roman wrestler. He won the European championships that earlier that year in in I think it was in April. He beat the 2nd guy in the, in his pool. He beat him, like, 8 to nothing.
George Pardos [:I mean, just crushed him. He was the favorite to win the gold medal for the Israelis in 1972 in Munich. Right. Now he now imagine this. On the podium at Greco Roman wrestling or in just in at the podium at the Olympics, you're gonna play the Israeli national anthem a mere 45 miles or away from a concentration camp that killed, I don't know, 400,000 Jews, imagine the national healing that would have done. The Israelis can't I mean, the Israeli national team now Dave Bergen is here from you know, he had already competed. But Mark Slavin was the favorite to win Greco. The the amount of national healing that would have done
Brett Johnson [:I'm sure. Yeah.
George Pardos [:Would have pushed back years. And for the German people. And for the German people also. Yes. And it wasn't until 1992 in Barcelona that the first Israeli athlete won a gold medal. That's how far back it it pushed back. And so when you're looking at cause and effect Right. One little incident can, you know, push back everything else.
George Pardos [:The No. Correct. The Jordanians, which are 2nd highest ally in that area Mhmm. They took in 300,000 Palestinians, refugees. They wound up the Palestinian refugees wound up killing their prime minister. This is in the seventies. So part of the, you know, part of the problem that you have in in these dynamics is that once you start down a a certain path, there's there's no way of stopping it. As far as the the people that are coming now, we're we're this is the Henry Cabot Lodge argument.
George Pardos [:You know, when the you know, when you had the the WAPs coming across, you know, everybody would you know, when you had the Germans in 1917, there was, like, 700 German national newspapers. That's right. You know? And and so Right here
Brett Johnson [:right in Cincinnati, German Village.
George Pardos [:I want to go to Schmidt's and get a cream puff right now. You have no idea. But there were
Brett Johnson [:German language newspapers, was your point. That there were enclaves of Germans.
George Pardos [:And and in in World War 2, we had to take we we created the 4 42nd because we had the Japanese internment camps. They were not they took the Japanese troops to send them over to Europe to fight.
Brett Johnson [:Well, they volunteered. People
George Pardos [:like oh,
Brett Johnson [:people oh,
George Pardos [:yeah. They use the term volunteer loosely.
Brett Johnson [:Well, people like Daniel, in a way Yeah. Volunteered. Right? And so so I take your point. You know, Brett said, this is what happens when you push people too far. I don't think any population has ever been pushed too far as have black slaves and ex slaves. And whether you go back to, you know, the civil war era or whether you talk about the sixties, and there there was a schism there between the Martin Luther King, peaceful, protesting, peaceful, blowback versus, say, the Black Panthers. And so Hamas had and the Palestinians in general had have had historical opportunities to have a 2 state solution. The West Bank is self governing.
Brett Johnson [:It is a Palestinian if in in a way hang on, George. Just for a second. It is in in a way a Palestinian state. Jordan itself is made up mainly of Palestinians. It was Gaza that where Hamas, was elected, probably in crooked elections. Not not that we know anything about that here, of course. But Hamas got elected to run Gaza, and the Gazan people, basically are along for the ride. So when you say when you say they've you can only push people so far, it was rockets from Gaza going into Israel.
Brett Johnson [:I'm I'm not sure what Israel was doing to the Gaza.
Steve Palmer [:Hamas was not pushed in any way, shape, or form that would warrant what they did.
Brett Johnson [:Exactly. It's
Steve Palmer [:what you what you're really trying
Brett Johnson [:to say. I I
George Pardos [:if you wanna stop,
Steve Palmer [:that's nonsense. It's
George Pardos [:it's it's nonsense. Stop again, who's causing this? The Persians. And until you go invade, until you but but think about it.
Brett Johnson [:I have no love for
George Pardos [:for The Iranians but but the Iranians are funding Hezbollah. They're funding Hamas.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
George Pardos [:And they they funded
Brett Johnson [:the And who gave them all this money? Obama and Biden. I mean, in the middle of the night, US But that was
George Pardos [:their money, though. But that was their money. And and and hold on. And and and listen. So we're financing that. I'm not
Brett Johnson [:a fan of them their money back.
George Pardos [:You know, here here's the the problem.
Brett Johnson [:It's Shaw money, and we gave it back
George Pardos [:to them. We had Irish presidents. I'm gonna tell you this. It's the Irish that caused everything. I I I I'm gonna tell you this. From from Eisenhower Now they
Brett Johnson [:would say the British caused it.
George Pardos [:No. But go ahead. From Eisenhower Yeah. To Trump, Trump was the first non Irish president since Eisenhower.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, wow. I gotta digest that. Okay. Okay.
George Pardos [:Let's go down the list. Oh, wow.
Brett Johnson [:No. No. You don't have to. I know all of
George Pardos [:them. Irish. LBJ, Irish. Nixon, Irish. All of them down there. Obama, Irish. Every single one of them. Well, but think about it.
George Pardos [:His mom is a Dunham, and there's a a post online. Clinton, Irish. Hillary, Irish. Every we've had Irish presidents in office since Eisenhower. Maybe I miss the
Brett Johnson [:Hillary presidency, but I I take your point.
George Pardos [:But Hillary was but there's a a a whole thing. He's an Irish in Cork, I think, that he's drinking a Guinness. And it go and there's a whole article that, you know, Obama and his Irish roots. The problem that you have again What
Brett Johnson [:is Obama called Obama because he's Irish?
Steve Palmer [:There's a there's an apostrophe
Brett Johnson [:in there. Like O'Brien? But but part
George Pardos [:of the but part of the things that we're talking about the southern border Yeah. All of that is caused by non state actors. You have the Sinaloa Cartel. Yeah. You have now you have the Zetas. Oh, yeah. Right? And you have And they're they're they're
Brett Johnson [:and they got a truce going with MS 13 now.
George Pardos [:Now just who the number one country in South America that is exporting cocaine is? Ecuador. Really? They just had the Ecuadorian had a a a faction go into their, to their national TV and hijacked shot you can see the video on it. It's on there. Shot a couple, people at their station, took over and said, hey. Listen. We're in charge. You know? And Ecuador is now moving cocaine to
Brett Johnson [:Sounds like Seattle. You know, when they when they took that block that included the police station.
George Pardos [:And so now at the southern border, the what the what we're having to do is they're not transferring drugs over the southern border at at a at a high rate. You know, you're not gonna put Juan Fernando Alejandro Rojas with maybe 2 keys on his back. That's why they just found a 130 tons or, you know, a £130 of cocaine is washing up on Florida on on the coast of Florida because they're bringing it through, you know, maritime.
Steve Palmer [:There are more efficient ways for them to do it
George Pardos [:is what you're saying. Exactly. Which also scares me is because they had a alligator eating cocaine. They went on a rampage.
Steve Palmer [:Can you imagine that? There was a movie about
George Pardos [:I was gonna say we
Brett Johnson [:had a cocaine bears
George Pardos [:cocaine man. And and a cocaine bears a real stories.
Brett Johnson [:It's a real story.
George Pardos [:Because that's what's scary about it. But now what they're doing is they're they're forcing at our southern border. DeSantis sent the Florida militia to you know, I'm I'm just could give you a little FYI. So the Florida militia is a state militia. DeSantis sent 400 of their of the personnel to Texas to help along with the Florida State Patrol, which is
Brett Johnson [:Now just just so people don't think it's like Nutter's, you know, ex NRA guys, like the Michigan in you know, unofficial militia, the the Florida militia
George Pardos [:an official state militia.
Brett Johnson [:Many of those people are are highway patrol.
George Pardos [:Like, they they have they wear another hat. Yeah. They're they're and so in 1902, they passed what's called the Dick Act. I don't know if you guys are familiar with this or not. So it quantified in the federal government what is the National Guard and what is a militia. So the National Guard can be federalized. So, you know, for example, if you have a National Guard unit here in Ohio that is like, the 237th was nationalized, you
Brett Johnson [:know, when they so if you nationalize Like George Wallace, Eisenhower nationalized the National Guard and Bama Right. And said, you're gonna let these kids go to this school.
George Pardos [:So the difference between the National Guard and the Army Reserve is this. The National Guard has to be federalized unit wise. The Army Reserve can pull up 1 soldier from a reserve unit to fill an active duty need. So if you're in the in the reserves and you're a corps let let's say I'll give you a prime example. If you're a corpsman and they need a couple corpsman, they will activate you, get you on to national service to deploy wherever you want. Now the state militia like, Ohio has a state militia. Texas has what's called the Texas militia. There are 1800 members, give or take.
George Pardos [:They've activated them to go down to the border. Now some of them have arrest powers. Now in Ohio, there are the sheriffs have arrest powers. The police have arrest powers, and they're depending on in times of emergency, the Ohio militia can have arrest powers. And so this is this is a very complicated issue. But part of the problem is you have non state actors that are pushing people to cross the border, whether it's for monetary gain or, you know, they're they're sending them to New York. And now they're issuing you know, the mayor in New York issued credit cards for $1,000 a month for these migrants, and it's gonna cost them $53,000,000 so they can buy food and diapers. And and and I I can understand that.
George Pardos [:But the problem at the border is there are so many moving parts. And there's no easy solution other than the to stop everybody from coming across, then figure out a way how to make the border more secure.
Steve Palmer [:Well, there is an easy solution. You just do that. I mean and that that That's right. That that we have done that in the past, or at least done some version of that
George Pardos [:in the past.
Steve Palmer [:That's right. The problem is we the the and this is relevant to what Texas is trying to do here because the problem is the federal government has sort of looked the other way. And As a policy. As a policy. And so we do have what's we do have tools in place. We don't need more legislation to fix this. We have you know, it's it's historically been dealt with.
Brett Johnson [:Remain in Mexico.
Steve Palmer [:It's not perfect, of course. Remain in Mexico, vet the legitimate ones, and let them in.
Brett Johnson [:1 of your form one of your marines that is now running for office out in California
George Pardos [:Which one?
Brett Johnson [:Is her her her name is, Kate Munro? That's right. Kate Munro. That's my friend. She is buying razor wire and patching holes in the fences along the California Mexico border. And the border patrol is showing her where the holes are, and they're saying they're saying Joe Biden won't let us patch that hole, but we'll show you where the hole is, Kate. And Kate, who's running for congress down there in San Diego, you go down there if you wanna
Steve Palmer [:I mean, what kind of madness is this? Like, Steve This is the problem, and this is the case.
Brett Johnson [:Government has
Steve Palmer [:So Abbott Abbott in Texas tried to pass laws sent before, and the law basically says we're gonna take over the border patrol. I I'm grossly summarizing it, but they're gonna take over the duties of what the federal government heretofore did before. And is that the right way to say it? Did it before. Yeah. Heretofore did before you said it.
Brett Johnson [:Like that.
Steve Palmer [:But,
Brett Johnson [:because under the invasion clause
Steve Palmer [:And and the supreme or the, court down in Texas has enjoined enforcement law. And I think it's important to understand what that means. I mean, it's not like they've said the law is unconstitutional. What they've said is, we're not gonna permit you to enforce that law yet until we vet it and make sure that it's constitutional. But when a court does that, almost always they're foreshadowing that they're gonna strike the laws unconstitutional. This is the problem with the law. It violates on its face
Brett Johnson [:Comments sense.
Steve Palmer [:The court. This Texas law violates the supremacy clause because the power to protect the border and enforce the border is vested with the federal government constitutionally. Now the question is whether this, quote, invasion clause permits it. And we've talked about this in another show where how do you define an invasion? Because the invasion clause is designed where there's an immediate invasion coming in and the federal government doesn't have time to act and declare war, etcetera. So is immigration invasion? I think not. I think, generally speaking, not. Certainly not in accordance with the history, text, and tradition of the constitution. That's how I would see it.
Steve Palmer [:But
Brett Johnson [:it really never anticipated that this would ever happen. Yeah. You're right.
Steve Palmer [:So the the way this has to get sorted out is we have a fundamental failure of the federal government to do what it's supposed to do. And what what what the heads are coming together here where, alright, how do we handle that?
Brett Johnson [:We can't even deal with this. We've impeached Mayorkas. That's right.
Steve Palmer [:Well, sort of. Well, no. He's we have impeached. He's not gonna be convicted in the senate. But
Brett Johnson [:He won't be convicted. But that is the solution.
Steve Palmer [:We that is the solution. Ultimately, the federal government has to solve it at the federal level. That's right. Just because the federal government derelicts its duty to, do what it's supposed to do doesn't mean the states get to take over that job. That's sort of what this court is saying. Now the problem is, what if the federal government doesn't fix it? And then what do we have? And this is where I am concerned sort of philosophically about where our country's going. Because if the federal government is gonna, through executive action, which is what this is, intentionally not going to do things. And I don't care what political side you're on because this can manifest itself on both sides depending on who's in power.
Brett Johnson [:Sleeper cells. I mean, terrorism.
Steve Palmer [:The federal government is intentionally going to invoke a policy or a practice or an agenda by either enforcing or not enforcing laws that are on the books or they're or not performing their duty? What are the state's obligations? This is like, we're going back to sort of fundamental,
Brett Johnson [:Yes.
Steve Palmer [:Federalist questions like States' rights.
George Pardos [:John Adams.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. This is this is That's right. What do we do?
Brett Johnson [:This is a federalism debate.
Steve Palmer [:The last time we tackled this problem, folks, was a civil war. Yes. Right?
George Pardos [:You know?
Steve Palmer [:And and it resulted in a civil war.
George Pardos [:No. We've had we've had states, you know, federal we've had instances of states violating the Logan Act. Yeah. I And and part of the other you know, look at Celeste. I mean, Celeste negotiated with Japan to bring Honda to Ohio, and people forget that. I mean, people the the
Steve Palmer [:Fair enough. But that's that's the problem in reverse. What we have here is the federal government not doing something and the state's picking up the slack.
George Pardos [:And and the problem is and, again, it goes back to one tenant. And if I again, I'm not in charge, and I I I would love to be in charge, but I can't. But the the fact is we be at
Brett Johnson [:war with, Iran.
George Pardos [:Oh, yeah. And and and Oh my god. No.
Brett Johnson [:No. No. I I'd be the Irish. I'm
George Pardos [:the Irish. The first thing I would do is I would take over Constantinople. That's that'd be first thing. I I
Brett Johnson [:mean, I'm yeah. We're So it's it's not Istanbul?
George Pardos [:No. No. It's it's It's Constantinople.
Brett Johnson [:I like to say, because it's Constantinople.
George Pardos [:It's it's Constantinople. Number 2, I would, you know number number 2 is that I would have I would deploy a division to the border and seal the border. Absolutely. And then and number 3 is if you're going to you know, the way to fix the border maybe is, you know, do a Henry Cabot Lodge. Maybe. The the the problem is that Well, you know what they used
Brett Johnson [:to do. Are are were you ever a member of the NRA and get American Riflemen? Yeah. Okay. Do you remember a columnist in there called Bart Skelton? Oh, yeah. A customs and border patrol guy. Right? He wrote an essay I'll never forget. I should find it and and and put it on the show. But he wrote an essay about what they used to do when somebody would not obey a border patrol guy.
Brett Johnson [:They'd shoot them dead. They'd shoot them dead right in the desert. 1935. And the and the buzzards would and the coyotes would eat that body, and he said, we'd leave that body out there as a stinker, as a warning to to other people who did not heed our warnings. You could
Steve Palmer [:say that would solve the problem. It's certainly not the best way to solve the problem.
Brett Johnson [:He's saying he put a division down there.
George Pardos [:I understand. Fine. I would the first thing I would do is I would seal the border. Yeah. That's Number 2 is
Brett Johnson [:That's using force.
Steve Palmer [:And Just a show of force might be enough.
George Pardos [:And the the one thing that and I want you to also I want you to I want you to think about something that I because I've been like I said, I talked to people, you know, down at the border because a lot of them are veterans and stuff like that. And the and the so the Arizona militia is actually starting to go into the border. What has not happened at the border yet?
Steve Palmer [:Well, there hasn't been a shooting like you're talking about.
George Pardos [:No migrant has crossed with a weapon. Have you noticed that? Not one migrant, not one illegal, not one asylum seeker has crossed with a weapon.
Steve Palmer [:That we have heard about. Yeah.
George Pardos [:That we have heard about. And and and that that is done on purpose by the cartel. Because the first time that that happens, they turn them into combatants. Oh. And and going back to the you know? And then so And the invasion
Brett Johnson [:clause, all of a sudden, comes comes into play.
George Pardos [:And the cartel isn't stupid because what they're here here's one of the They're not. And here's one of the reasons they're they're doing this at the border is because if we're if we're deploying resources to stop the migration move, what they're not doing is stopping the influx of drugs and other mechanisms.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. The fentanyl.
George Pardos [:And and so there's only one there's only one fentanyl, manufacturer in in North America, and that's in Mexico. And that's owned by the Zetas, not the not the senate laws. And so now
Brett Johnson [:Precursor chemicals are coming from China.
George Pardos [:Yeah. Precursor you know. And so the problem is, how do you fit because now one of the things that you can you can argue about is in in the US right now, in the in the sanctuary cities where people are bringing in migrants, the people that are getting upset are the peep the the low hanging the lower hanging labor participants. However you wanna however you wanna Right. I I don't know.
Brett Johnson [:I don't know. They're getting welfare money like in Chicago. It's pissing off the locals. Like like, why do these people get to live here for free? Get free groceries. Get free this, free that. And we don't get the benefits they get. Look.
Steve Palmer [:It. And, you know, it sounds great, but, yeah, we have this immigration. We're here to help her. We love everybody. We love everybody. But now you have to deal with the problems that are getting created in the sanctuary. Cities are starting to realize that. I think the common citizen are starting like, everybody's now it's in your backyard.
Steve Palmer [:You know?
Brett Johnson [:Well, now girls can't go running
Steve Palmer [:And so
Brett Johnson [:on a on a on a sports path in Georgia.
Steve Palmer [:As you have pointed out, they're not necessarily all going to be the boy scouts and the girl scouts coming across the border. These, you know, these are hardened people who are willing to go do these. So at the end of the day
Brett Johnson [:Military agent man.
Steve Palmer [:Said, George, the problem needs to be solved at the border. We can solve the problem at the border, and that sort of takes takes care of the rest of this. The but the government, the US government, the federal government under the Biden regime is not willing to do it. And you can ask why, and we can speculate as to why.
George Pardos [:Well, they just had a bill going into congress that the, you know, the Republicans voted against all states.
Steve Palmer [:I wouldn't have voted for
George Pardos [:that bill
Brett Johnson [:either because
Steve Palmer [:what that
George Pardos [:was is No. No. But but but but our here here's the problem that I have is that here I want the people in congress, whether it's Republican, Democrat, or individual, I want them to vote on the best interest of the American people.
Brett Johnson [:But that compromise allowed 5,000 people per day before Biden was authorized to shut the border down, which translates into 4,000,000 people.
George Pardos [:But since 2008 let me ask you a question. Yeah. Okay. Let let's just since 2008, what have other than the Dodd Frank Act, which is you can argue whether this is done, what has what piece of legislation has Congress passed that has been beneficial to both sides? What both sides? You mean Americans? Americans.
Brett Johnson [:In the last how many years?
George Pardos [:Since 2000 and since Dodd Frank. I I Well, that that that wasn't passed.
Steve Palmer [:I have
Brett Johnson [:a Biden. No. No.
George Pardos [:No. I'm saying to you this. Since since 2000 and since Obama took office in 2009
Steve Palmer [:Okay.
George Pardos [:Alright? I have a I have a master's in public policy. I went back through it. Very few bills have made it through Congress.
Steve Palmer [:Well, Congress doesn't do anything anymore. They pass 1 omnibus bill a year, and then
George Pardos [:they pitch the bill about it as fast. Done anything to benefit.
Brett Johnson [:Everything's in the federal register now.
George Pardos [:I've done I've done it. Until Trump got into office, we had a guy. This is and and and so we've made a couple adjustments. We had a guy in Phoenix go to the VA and kill himself in the parking lot. We had another guy set himself on fire in the parking lot. Right.
Brett Johnson [:And But there's no law that would prevent that.
George Pardos [:No. Yes. There was. What? The the the duty of care at which is what Trump helped in streamlining the VA. Well, oh, you're talking about reform
Brett Johnson [:of the VA. But but I'm
George Pardos [:saying is that very few things that our government has done in the last 16 years have can we look and say, yeah. That was very Oh, I'll
Steve Palmer [:go back 50 years. Our government has been run by administrative agencies and and executive edicts. You'll get no
Brett Johnson [:argument here, man.
Steve Palmer [:You know Yeah. If going back as since we've
George Pardos [:been a lot They had the head of the I I and I'm gonna tell you this. I'm my view on on on the second amendment is, again, I'm to the right of Genghis Khan. I think if you could afford an 810, I think you ought to be able to buy an 810. I don't you know, you ought to be able to buy a tank.
Brett Johnson [:The A a 10 Warthog?
George Pardos [:Oh, yeah. Oh, I'd like that. Oh, yeah. I mean, if I
Brett Johnson [:I I mean That intel project out by me? I'd be a smoking crater. And Just give me
George Pardos [:a warthog, baby. And I'm in. And so so I'm
Brett Johnson [:I'm in.
George Pardos [:And because I think that the the so they the head of the ATF, the largest the well, whatever you wanna call them, the alcohol, tobacco farms came on there and could not could not describe what a cyclic rate of a of an AR 15 was.
Steve Palmer [:These are these are executive appointees. The administrative state of government is controlling is is supplanting the legislative branch of government.
Brett Johnson [:Question about it.
Steve Palmer [:And, you know, you can go back to thank Wilson for this, I suppose.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. The the current fisherman case is a gorgeous example. This report
Steve Palmer [:that hopefully will do away
Brett Johnson [:with this. Will do so do
George Pardos [:get away with this.
Steve Palmer [:Get away from the Chevron doctrine and, the deference doctrine.
George Pardos [:But at
Steve Palmer [:any rate, we we probably gotta wrap it up. I know we've been at it here for for a while. So look, George, this is great.
Brett Johnson [:I'm so excited. We've had a guest on that once they let people own an a 10 war car. Dude That's a fair I mean, I'm
George Pardos [:telling you.
Brett Johnson [:I'm so stoked. Imagine
George Pardos [:you you think about this. Could you imagine if every it look. Part of the part of the problem is that you that if you take a look at countries Damn. In history,
Brett Johnson [:depleted uranium. Oh my god. SABO rounds. Oh my god. I I mean, what that would do to Intel's basement. Oh, for god's sakes. But the problem don't want any people hurt. I'd go out there about 4 in the morning with
George Pardos [:my boyfriend. President, of all the presidents I've ever studied is Thomas Jefferson, bar none. He is my my absolute I think he did more for this country than any other president.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Yeah. Do you?
George Pardos [:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He wrote the Declaration of Independence.
Brett Johnson [:Nothing else Louisiana purchased. Nothing else. He sent the 2 guys out west.
George Pardos [:Yeah. But, I mean, if you think about it, he wrote the Declaration of Independence on the in a second story house. He was upstairs for the summer. And then, you know, now they made revisions. John Adams helped him, and Ben Franklin helped him. And so what was his other Watterson? Who's the other one
Brett Johnson [:that was passed it around. Yeah.
George Pardos [:They passed it around. But he wrote it by himself, and then they made changes. And he then said, the rights of a free man should never the government should never restrict him from owning weapons. Yeah. Mhmm. Right. And the the problem that you have with that is we forgot that the the our government is becoming to a point. We don't trust the average citizen.
George Pardos [:Oh, god. No.
Steve Palmer [:It should be the opposite.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. But, you know, he was awesome. Lewis and Clark. I mean, the list goes on and on of what Thomas Jefferson Look.
Steve Palmer [:Look. We we we gotta wrap it up. Yes. George, you've got the we should have introduced you before with a little bit more detail. But, anyway, go back and and listen to the biography before.
Brett Johnson [:But Exactly.
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Brett Johnson [:We doubled our our viewership.
Steve Palmer [:Because George's been on there.
Brett Johnson [:In a week.
George Pardos [:That helps.
Brett Johnson [:Absolutely. So, George, we have reels of you on our Facebook page. Yeah. I have to tell you. You. You're the only guy talking. So, there's an app.
George Pardos [:So thank you.
Steve Palmer [:Well, look. Coming at everybody right from the middle here at channel 511, at least until now.
