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165: How Dr. Damien Downing Tapped into Ancient Wisdom and Light Science to Overcome Chronic Health Challenges
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"How could [sunlight] not be crucial? It is as necessary to us as water is to fish—more so," says Dr. Damien Downing, integrative physician, pioneer of ecological medicine, and author of Coherent Health, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to reveal how sunlight, structured water, and our electromagnetic environment fundamentally shape human biology.

Once a conventional MD dismissive of “all that stuff,” Dr. Damien Downing details his paradigm-shifting journey down the physics rabbit hole—culminating in a radical understanding: humans are not just biochemical or bioelectrical beings, but also “bioinformational” ones, with the capacity to store and transmit information via structured water and time crystals within our bodies. From exploring why full-spectrum sunlight is far more than “just” vitamin D, to explaining how modern indoor living and non-native electromagnetic frequencies (EMFs) short-circuit natural health, he breaks down how everything from depression to appetite to the mysteries of consciousness—like telepathy, intuition, and prayer—may finally have scientific mechanisms.

In this lively conversation, you’ll hear why Dr. Damien Downing believes mainstream medicine ignores the most essential nutrient of all, sunlight; what structured water and ‘time crystals’ mean for the future of health; how light serves as the body’s original prescription; and practical ways to reclaim your biological coherence.

Tune in to the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to discover why your health—and maybe your consciousness—depends on the quantum energy all around (and within) you.

5 Key Takeaways

  1. Sunlight is foundational to health—get outside every day, regardless of the season, and let natural light hit your eyes and skin.
  2. Ditch artificial lighting after sunset—replace toxic LED and fluorescent bulbs with biologically friendly alternatives, and minimize screen time at night.
  3. Prioritize your sleep environment—remove all sources of non-native EMFs and electronics from your bedroom to optimize deep rest and repair.
  4. Use tools like the My Circadian app—track your daily light exposure and circadian habits to start reclaiming your energetic health.
  5. Remember, full-spectrum sunlight and grounding are your best “supplements”—start simple, build habits, and witness the transformations in your energy, mood, and resilience.

Memorable Quotes

"Sunlight is as necessary to us as water is to fish. This is what we evolved in, the whole of life evolved in. A lot of the energy we use, a lot of the incoming energy that we make ATP with and do energetic things in ourselves, comes from light rather than from food."
"If it's natural, if we evolved in it for billions of years, then it's got to be good. And if it's non-natural, then it's probably bad, or at least it's capable of being bad."
"Faith is a form of coherence. You get this stuff working together; we've all seen things where people desperately needed something, they prayed for it, and it happened. That proves that prayer works, and prayer is just another form of acting in coherence."

Connect with Dr. Damien Downing

Website: https://www.drdamiendowning.com/

Resources Mentioned

The British Society for Ecological Medicine: https://bsem.org.uk/

Coherent Health: The Power of Light and Water by Damien Downing: https://amzn.to/49vZnIC

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All of our body pretty much is

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capable of responding to

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electromagnetic energy such as

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biophotons and the natural one sunbite.

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Then it's also capable of responding to

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the non native EMFs that

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we're pumping out in ever increasing

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quantities now. So there's a priority there. We

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do need to tidy things up. Welcome to the

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QVC podcast where we. Explore exciting new paradigms that have

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a meaningful impact on our day to day lives. I'm

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your host Meredith Oak. Let's keep the conversation going. Join

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us in our free community by. Visiting

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qbcpod.com that's

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qbcpod.com and let's see. Where the quantum

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superhighway takes us next. I know for many of us the quantum

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biologic framework that is the intersection. Of quantum physics and

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biology holds the promise of potentially being able to

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give us scientific mechanisms of action for

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some of the biggest anomalies in

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consciousness and human experiences and

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phenomena that cannot be explained by the materialist paradigm.

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I'm talking about things like telepathy, out of body experiences,

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near death experiences, and also more common occurrences

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such as that feeling that you get when you know somebody is

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staring at you even if you can't see them. What is

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that? My guest today has some answers and

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I am had such a good time talking to him because he

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went on his own journey of

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shifting paradigms from being a medically trained

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physician. He's an MD who did not believe.

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Quote unquote in any of that stuff. Even though he

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was deep into the. Integrative and functional health world.

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He is has run journals and

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chaired professional associations for ecological

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medicine in the UK and Dr. Damien Downing also

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wrote. A book back in 19888 on the. Importance

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of sunlight and how we cannot be truly healthy if we do not get enough

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of it. He has continued his path after

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decades of clinical experience working with patients to

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resolve their issues as naturally as possible,

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he has gone down the physics rabbit hole

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and has now come out with a very, very different

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perspective than what he started with after

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deeply studying the intersection physics

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and biology, most notably with structured water,

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light and the work of May Wen Ho

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regarding what she calls time crystals.

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Turns out we're not just biochemical, we're not just bioelectrical, we're

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also bioinformational,

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potentially storing information in our time

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crystals across time and space.

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It's wild. It's wild fun stuff. You are definitely going to

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enjoy this chat with Dr. Downing. We start out with

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light and what structured water and then

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we go down the rabbit hole that changed his

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paradigm and changed what he believes

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about how human consciousness works.

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So enjoy this episode. It is a very fun

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1. And Dr. Downing's book Coherent Health

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the Power of Light and Water is coming out soon.

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We will link to it in the show notes or you can look it up

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on Amazon. All right, don't forget to visit our

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friends@boncharge.com for all of your circadian

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biology product needs. And

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also I really recommend downloading the My

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Circadian app. We actually talk about the My Circadian app in

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this interview. Dr. Downing mentions it as a tool

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that. He came across listening to this podcast and finds it.

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He just said he found it like extremely helpful and really recommended.

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He now recommends that his patients use it. It's a way to

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make maintaining our circadian health

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a little, just a little more easier. Especially for people who are new to it

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or if you're practitioner working with clients, there is a

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way you can program their location and use

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it to support your ability to guide them on

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their circadian journey. Highly recommend.

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And for links to all of those things, do visit the tools we use

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page on qbcpod.com that is

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also where I recommend the patches which

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used your body's own biophotonic emissions

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to wake up your stem cells.

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The world is cool. There's so much cool stuff in it. All right, enjoy my

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interview with Dr. Downing. Dr. Damien Downing, welcome

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back to the QVC podcast. Thank you very much. We're going

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to have fun today. Okay, so let's start with, you know, one of

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my favorite topics, sunlight. You have

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worked, as we say in the US an integrative physician

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for decades and have been a longtime champion of

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sunlight through the whole sunlight is bad for you

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phase that we seem to be emerging from in our culture

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from the get go. You are a sunlight champion. You wrote a book about

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how important sunlight is in 1988. Daylight

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robbery. Yeah, so let's talk about that.

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We'll start there. Like, why is sunlight

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so crucial to human

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biology? You know, I think we're all being pretty

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stupid about this. How could it not be? I mean, it is the

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most funderless. You know, it's as necessary to

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us as water is to fish more. So,

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you know, I mean, this is what we evolved in the whole of life

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evolved in. And the only new thing here,

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I mean, you know, all cultures have done this sort of thing, have used

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heat and light and measures like that and

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probably used structured water as well when we get to that. But

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we managed to for a long time. I just think we're better

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than that, didn't we? You know, we know best. But now what we've

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done is we've figured out a little bit more of it so that

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it's a moment where, oh, that, that's how it works.

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That's how it makes sense. And you can see the,

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you know, there's huge amounts of our energy. I don't know how

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you quantify this, but obviously a lot of the energy

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we use, a lot of the incoming energy that we

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make ATP with and do energetic things in ourselves,

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comes from light rather than from food. This is a huge piece

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for people. Yeah, me too. Say, yeah, say a little bit

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more about that because we've, we've been really, really trained to

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think that, you know, food is, is everything

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and less inclined to consider in what environment

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we are consuming that food and what is what the inputs into our

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biology are the whole rest of the time when we're not eating.

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So how is it, how is it that light is, is so key

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as compared to food? I mean, not that food, it doesn't matter, obviously. Please,

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people, use both hemispheres of your brain. Two things can be true

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at once. Okay, yeah, yeah, true matters. But also

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light is giving us more input

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than we really realized. Yes, absolutely. Start with

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light itself. The, the light,

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you know, let's call it its own light, really

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reaching us on the surface of the Earth. The

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energy that comes from the sun is only

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40% of it is visible light. Right.

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But the high energy end of the spectrum, there's another

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10% of ultraviolet, UVA and

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UVB. And then it cuts off, it's filtered

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out by the atmosphere. Down the other end

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from red, you go into near infrared.

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And actually that's a whole 50% of

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the energy reaching us is in the near infrared,

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in infrared, but it's mostly near infrared.

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So this is also why green spaces are good for us,

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because the leaves and several of the green things,

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well, they reflect green light obviously because they don't need it. They

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get their energy other places in the spectrum,

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but they also reflect the near infrared very

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strongly. And this is presumably

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at least one of the reasons why forest bathing has any

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pollen. You can probably make it even better if you barefoot in the grass. So

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you get your electrons that way too. If

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you shut your eyes in a green park or

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a wood or somewhere, you look and

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the color you see with your eyes closed is red, right?

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Because it penetrates quite well. But the near

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infrared penetrates even better.

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So that in the eyes there'll be about

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five times as much near infrared

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going into your eyes with the eyelids closed

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as there is colored light. And it's not

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only in the eyes, but it has particular

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penetration which we miscalculated

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for a long time because, you know, we put,

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put a pointy detector at it and

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say, oh, well, it's not penetrating here, is going

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off in all sorts of directions, so it's not getting through.

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But that doesn't matter to a cell because

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that's probably good for the cell because it's getting it all diffused, getting it

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all the way around from all directions better than getting,

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you know, one like a laser beam. So what we've learned is

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that the, the light that

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we cannot see is penetrating

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right into our body and not in a linear way,

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but in a way that, that has a, like a systemic effect.

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Like it fills up our whole system.

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And we've only just realized this, scientifically speaking?

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I mean. Yeah, yeah, I think

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that's right. Our natural wisdom has known this since, since

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the evolution of man or the, or our ancestral beginnings,

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however you want to look at it. But yes. So science has only just

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recently recognized that that's what's going on. Yeah. Okay,

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and so what does that mean? Does it. When we.

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Because we haven't known that, we haven't known about the importance of,

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of infrared and near infrared and all the other wavelengths which we're going

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to talk about. But it seems to me we've constructed a way of living

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that is like totally antithetical. Yeah,

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absolutely. Electricity is to blame for

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a lot of it. Isn't it possible

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for us to, to work

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indoors? You know, the, to change

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subject slightly. The. I've gotten her name. But

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the lady who you had on recently with the. My

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Circadian app. Yes. Sarah Kleiner. Right.

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That's got a beautiful little thing on the app

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that enables you to just do a lux meter showing you

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point the camera at the light somewhere

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and take a light reading. And you will find that

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in here. Well, I got one of Ken

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Cedar's lamps up there, but apart from that, it's going to be

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pretty cool. Level cupboard, 200 lux, something like

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that. Whereas out there it'll be gloomy

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day, probably four or five thousand sunny day, be a

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load more. So we hugely deprived ourselves of

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light by moving indoors and of course extended

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our sunny day into the night

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with the use of electric lights. And then it all got

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worse when we replaced, we

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invented energy saving bulbs. Right. Because the

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reason why One of these LED lights is

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energy saving and you can have a 5

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watt bulb or whatever

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that produces equivalent to

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60 watts in the old method is that

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it's not making all the heat, but that heat was. At least

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some of it was near infrared and it

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had, it has special properties. So things got even worse there. So we

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moved indoors, but we still had

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somewhat biologically friendly light bulbs. Then we changed the

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light bulbs to be basically toxic

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after sunset. Bright white LED lights are

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toxic. Is that fair to say? Not to mention the light from

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the screen. Yes, quite. I think there's a bit of the principle

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there. We have to be a little bit clear. You can make a

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pretty much an absolute rule here that if

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it occurs in nature then it can't really be

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harmful to us. Can't be bad for us really.

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And so I think on that basis it's not that blue light

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is intrinsically bad for us. What's really bad for

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us is blue light with the near infrared taken out. Which

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is light bulbs and screens. Yeah, yeah.

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Okay. And it's also of course it's what? I

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never know when they put that abbreviation. Nn emfs.

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Non native. Non native. Thank you. Okay, yeah. So those are the fake

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like the ones coming out of the ones you warn about

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in your book, basically. Yeah, yeah. Right.

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Well I was by no means the first. You know,

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John Ott did that back in the end of the

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50s. Really. He

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created the term Mal Illumination which has two

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sides to it. Not enough sunlight and too much

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non. What's it say new to nature? Non

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native EMFs. Yeah. So we, those are the way we use

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it is like the, like the WI FI signal and all of the

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man made frequencies. You can't see the non visible

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man made frequencies that were not conceived of with biology in

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mind. Precisely. Yeah. Right. So

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talking about the benefits of sunlight which is

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I think becoming widely known and I've interviewed,

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you know, at least one allopathic physician who has

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looked at this research and agreed that there are

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really an infinite number of benefits to

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exposing our biology to sunlight. But then it kind of

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stops because they don't quite have a way to explain the mechanism of

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how, because that's quantum. So you have that piece, we'll get to it.

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But first let's just run through. You have this table in your new

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book, Light Wavelengths and their benefits in terms of talking

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about sunshine. So let's start.

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So there's UV C.

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Which is only in space. So let's move down to

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uvb. Yeah. Right. So

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uvb, you only get around solar noon

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and it's a tiny amount of when the sun's highest in the

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sign. So it's got the shortest path through the atmosphere to

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reach you. That solar moon, it's only

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about a half a percent of the

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total light energy. They're really small.

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And it's only about a twentieth of

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the UV energy reaching us because

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most of it is in the uva, which

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is longer wavelength and therefore

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slightly lesser energy. But there's a lot more of it. So

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yeah, it has useful effects. Right, right. And the

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UVB benefits are the ones that we traditionally think about.

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They are, yes. Yeah. Which is vitamin D

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and melanin as well. Right. So that's where you,

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you make vitamin D and you get a tan. Yeah, that's

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right. And that would be. So if you live. Depending where you live, you

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wouldn't always have access to that. Hey, you certainly

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wouldn't. Yeah. But it's interesting because there's all

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of these other wavelengths that do lots and lots

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of things as well. So I think that's like a key takeaway for people is

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like even if we were open to the fact that the sun is good for

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us, we were like, oh, it's just, we just need it for vitamin D

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and getting a tan. And now we know getting a tan is really good for

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us. Not burning, just tanning. But even if we are

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in winter or whatever and we're not getting that uvb, there's still all this other

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one, all these other wavelengths that have incredible effects, like.

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Absolutely. Uva.

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Uva, yeah. Right. Okay, so what happens

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with uva? Well, alpha MSH

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happens, or really I just say PLMC happens.

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Light hitting the non visual

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photoreceptors in the eyes and that's higher energy light.

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UVA and blue

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sends a message to the main body clock, the

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suprachiasmatic nucleus and then the body clocks there

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and that causes the pituitary

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to produce this stuff called pro

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opiomelanocortin. There's a bit of a bundle

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word. Okay. Yeah. So for those of us who are like, wait, I don't know

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what any of that is. What does it do? Why do we care?

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We'll call it POMC Sugars anyway. All right, Right.

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Yeah. And the pro means it's not actually a thing

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in itself. It has to be changed as a converted or

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activated. And what happens is a number of

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steps breaks it down into three other things. Right.

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The opio is endorphins,

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which kind of the feel good internal hormones, their

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painkillers and relaxants and so forth.

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The melano is alpha msh, which come

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to in A second. And the cortin

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is ACTH adrenaline, which is the

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adrenal stimulating hormone that

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causes your body to produce

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a burst of cortisol. If you do

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cortisol trash, there's supposed to be a spike

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of cortisol in the morning there.

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Right. And that comes from the

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effect of high energy light, UVA and

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particular hitting the eyes. But

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also what we now realize is you get the same

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effect without stuff hitting the skin.

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And there are the cells lining the

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capillaries in the skin. They produce

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PLMC and therefore all the other stuff here as

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well. So the final one is Alpha msh which is, I don't know

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if you know the work of Richie Shoemaker

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in the States. It talks about the biotoxin

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pathway and he described this old stuff very well and he

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regards Alpha MSH as being the main off

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switch for inflammation and

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pain and so forth. Yeah. And so

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what it does is it does have a

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definite anti inflammatory effect. It also

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causes the melanocytes, it stimulates the

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melanocytes to produce melanin,

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which we thought was its main purpose, but we clearly got that

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wrong because it does have an

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anti inflammatory effect and so does the

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cortisol that you produce then.

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And the Alpha MSH also has an

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antimicrobial effect in its own right. So it's making

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the whole system, you know, that much more efficient. You're not

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producing unproductive

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inflammation as you know, burning up your energy and

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wasting it on something that isn't working.

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So the thing that we've also come to realize now

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is that it's an appetite suppressant. Really?

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Yeah. And I mean a couple of people

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have said, talked about this. Oh, so

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that's why I never have a great appetite when I'm on holiday.

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Yeah, it's true. I noticed that the more time I spend

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outside and in the summer I'm just. Yeah, not as

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hungry. Yeah, because there's a double

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effect there. It reduces your appetite by making you feel

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fuller and it

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also produces, makes your energy production

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more effective. It's very tempting to say oh hey,

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it's nature's ozempic or whatever,

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but we don't know yet just you know, whether

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you can do it that way around. Don't know. Can you fix

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your huge weight problem by getting lots of

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sunlight and so on? Will the weight just fall off? You don't know.

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There are some people to say they have had that experience.

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There's some practitioners who say they have had that experience.

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But this certainly isn't a double blind trial

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or anything. Like that. Right. What I think is certain is it's a good

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idea to get the sunlight first and the alpha mosaice, then

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you keep your weight down in the first place. So going

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outside, even if there's no

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UVB you've just described, is

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anti inflammatory, supports our immune system,

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presses our appetite, helps our body to

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make more energy. I

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mean, that sounds pretty. This sounds like all of the things that we're always trying

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to, you know, look for in a supplement or

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a prescription. And there it is, just there it is coming,

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coming at us the moment we step outside. I just think it's helpful to break

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this down because it's so simple. And I

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find sometimes people brush it off or they're like, okay, Meredith, whatever. Like,

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does it really make that big of a difference, as you said earlier?

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Yes. Yeah. So let's talk about

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the visible light. So that's, that's all the

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colors. There's blue, violet, green, yellow, amber, orange, red.

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What's going on with this light? And this

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is also available all day. The UVA comes

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up about an hour after sunrise. Yeah, that's right. There's a whole

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bunch of things going on, some of which were

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we're only really figuring out bit by

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bit and from actually treating people

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with that. I mean, for instance, green light

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has been used to treat fibromyalgia. Who had thought that

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would happen? And that was

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generally green light without

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the near infrared or whatever know. So it does have a property

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on its own. And we can

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use in photobiomodulation. We use blue

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light particularly for stimulation on the

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immune system and red

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lights, interestingly, on the circulation as

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well. So they all have benefits. We know that light's good for all

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depression, not just seasonal affective disorder, but all depression

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and so forth. I don't think anybody's

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idea of particular wavelength works there. And

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it's probably all of them. I mean, it could be the alpha

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nsh effect from UVA just

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being anti inflammatory because I mean, all the neurologists

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and everybody these days say depression is inflammation, is

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neuroinflammation. It could just be as

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simple as that. It could be other things. There's

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probably, you know, it would be sensible to

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say you need the whole darn lot. Really.

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Yes. The full spectrum sunlight is.

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Yeah. So what's nutrient number one that we're all lacking?

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Sunlight is the ideal. And maybe

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when we're dealing with these

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chronic conditions from fibromyalgia to depression,

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full spectrum sunlight would be a good place to

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start and then see what else is needed. Yeah, like

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a very simple, reasonable recommendation from

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you as a physician of many decades with lots of experience.

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Yeah, I mean, I've always, you know, when dealing with a complex problem,

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you try and in with a patient, you try and evaluate

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all the size, you write a short overview which goes

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nutrition, toxins or things like that,

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genomic stuff, metabolic consequences and

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so forth. But then you say to the patient, well, look, I think

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we ought to start with these obvious deficiencies here

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that you've got, because that's the only way to get your

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body working on our side. Right.

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And then when that's there, when the detox is working, everything's working that

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bit better, then you can get the toxins out and

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so forth and have less adverse consequences of it.

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But what now, we've now got to say

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is practically everybody's vitamin D deficient

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for a start, certainly in this country. But is vitamin D

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just there because its own importance, and

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it does have huge importance to the immune system and so forth, but it's also

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quite a useful marker for the whole of light. If you're not getting enough

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light to do vitamin D for yourself, then

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you're probably almost certainly not getting

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enough light for all these other effects. So vitamin D is a

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marker for potentially how much sunlight you're getting. And

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we are all most likely sunlight deficient. And if we're

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showing symptoms really of anything, going

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outside is a nice, nice, easy place to start.

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Yeah, that's nicely put. We did talk about near infrared,

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but that is sunrise to sunset,

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green spaces, fires, and

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true incandescent, certain specialized light bulbs or

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light therapies. You can get near infrared light. And what's

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happening with near infrared light why is this our friend? And why is being

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near infrared deficient like such a problem? Right, okay. This is where we

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go quantum. Okay, let's go. The near infrared

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penetrates very well, so that it's been

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calculated, been proposed,

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that in an adult, 70%

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of your cells can access some near

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infrared. Right. And probably in a

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child, 100%. And there's a couple of places in the

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body that there are fluids. That's the amniotic fluid

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in a pregnant womb uterus and

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the cerebrospinal fluid in the brain. They're actually

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rather good conductors. So

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they channel this near infrared in particular

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further deeper into the body. And there's a particular

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wavelength there at around 8, 10 nanometers.

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I sound slightly vague, even though it's quantum, because

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I think there's more than one effect going on there. But

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this stuff has a quantum Effect on the

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mitochondria. And it has been suggested

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that. Well, one school of thought is that

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it has an effect on complex 4

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of the electron transport chain, the mechanism that

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produces ATPR main energy

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molecule. And it may

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well be that that's true, but

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it's looking more likely that it's also

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got an effect on structured water and

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the production of structured water, which is also

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something that just enables life,

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really. That's a perfect description of structured water.

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It enables life. Yeah. And the INF and the infrared

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light, the near infra light and the infrared light are helping us to

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have more structured water. I mean, all to

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varying extents. All light will do

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it, certainly from ultraviolet through to

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infrared and even further than near infrared, right into

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the mid infrared, you know, but

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near infrared has the best penetration, so. And would that be

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why red light therapy has proven so effective in

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helping people feel better and recover? Is that what's going on there?

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Yeah, because the effect is. So there's

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only the structured water effect is so fundamental.

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I think that's why it just kind of works for everything. So

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I've seen instantaneous effects sometimes.

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Somebody had a colleague who just put when the light pad thing

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on her frozen shoulder and it was fixed after half

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an hour of that. And somebody else fixed their tinnitus

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immediately and so forth. But I think that

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only happens if there's something there

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that really needs fixing. And the fix

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is to get the structured water and the electron

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transport chain working again. Then that

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provides the cell with energy to do whatever it

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is it wants to do. And that's the fun surprise is it's like,

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what does my body want to do? If I give it what it needs, what's

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going to happen? What fun things are going to happen?

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Well, I guess we'll find out. Okay, so let's talk a little bit

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more about. About structured water. And how would you

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explain it, you know, to. To a lay person?

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We've got some foundation. This audience has some foundation in it, but you know, to

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varying degrees. To varying degrees. So talk to

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me about our second favorite topic, structured water. Right?

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the interesting things about it is

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that actually this knowledge has been there for a long time. I

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think I said 60 years in the book, didn't I? It goes back to

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this guy. I figured out the pronunciation. I've

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been told the pronunciation since our last conversation about

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this Albert Schent Giorgi. Ah,

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Georgi. He was a Hungarian

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scientist working before and after the war,

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and he remarked in one of his books

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that There were papers

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to show that almost any liquid, or at least a wide range

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of liquids, put them in contact with a

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surface of a particular well. In case of

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water, it has to be a

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hydrophilic surface, which means it has to have a charge.

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It has to have some ability to interact with the

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water, and then it can change

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the water and give it a bit of structure. You don't need much charge.

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And actually it'd be a positive charge. Will work as

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well as. Well, it will work also, but

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is mostly. It is a negative charge. And that's possibly because

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of. That's how the body works. That's how, you know,

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life generally works it. So you get a bit of charge

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on the surface there, the solid surface,

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that causes a change in the water

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interacting with it next to it there,

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which makes it into a more structured water.

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It's kind of a hexagonal shape. And that just

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happens. It happens with hundreds of different liquids and so forth. It'll always

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happen with water. And because

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inside the body there are. I mean, it's all

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surfaces everywhere. You know, a protein molecule is plenty big enough

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to have a surface stubborn with structured water.

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And something like collagen, which is made like rope,

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is made, you know, a spiral of this and then made into a bigger

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spiral and so forth. Plenty of room there for

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structured water. So it's figured

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that we're all about 70% structured water.

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There's plenty of opportunities for that to happen. Then once you've made that on the

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surface, that begins to have a particular

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effect, which is that protons get excluded

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from this hexagonal shape, hexagonal

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layer. And that means that you've got a

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negative charge there in the structure of water. It's slight,

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but then light can come along

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and build more and more and more, less. And Gerald

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Pollock, one of his colleagues, discovered it because he left the light

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on in the. On the. The bench

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shining on this water experiment

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came back and there was always. It's grown. All the structure of water

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has grown. Then we switch the light off. It

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gradually disappears. So it builds the water and charges

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the water. Yeah, well, the actual building of the water charges the

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water. Yes. Just the function of it being created is

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kicking out those protons and creating

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a negative charge. Yeah. And so we're like. I've

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heard the metaphor that we're sort of like a giant battery,

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you know, if we think of ourselves as a battery being charged by sunlight

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and particularly infrared light. Yeah. But I see

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the building of structure. Water is doing two things.

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Number one is creating Charge, which

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effectively means, you know, electrons.

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And it's similar to the effect you get from earthing,

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grounding, whatever whatever. Number two,

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it's enabling those electrons to flow. I called

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it the electron superhighway. Right. And in fact, I'll be

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honest, it's getting beyond my understanding this stuff, you know? Yeah, I know. It

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goes. It goes so deep, and I'm trying

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to keep it for people to

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just understand well enough to really be motivated and excited

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to implement it. But at the same time, the quantum

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layers are so fascinating, and we're going to get into some of

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the really new, new ideas about structured water.

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It's incredible to me, too, because mainstream allopathic medicine doesn't

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even recognize the existence of structured water

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in many cases. And yet without

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that piece, it seems a little bit impossible

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to really be understanding what's going

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on with someone's biology. Okay, so an

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ordinary crystal is a regular structure that

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repeats and repeats in space,

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right? So it's the same sort of molecular structure

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going all the way. And you can, of course,

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think of structured water as being

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like that. But a time crystal is

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something that has a regular repetition

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in space and in time. And it turns out,

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right, the name of the book is Coherent

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Health. And this is what is all about,

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really. I mean, coherence means a number of things. It

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means in a sentence, it means that all

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the elements in the sentence work together to deliver

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your meaning. And Coherent Health

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means all the elements of your body, including the

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structured water and so forth, are working together

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to keep you healthy and functioning. And May Won Ho

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put it that under the influence of

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electromagnetic fields, the water

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can form into a coherent domain that

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resonates, basically. Coherence in that sense is

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basically like resonance. And

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that's the quantum thing as well, of course, because,

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you know the trick of running your finger around a wine glass,

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you get the right frequency and it'll shatter it. Right.

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It's the frequency that matters there. That's

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the quantum thing like that. And

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you don't make it hurt, make it work by

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being stronger or whatever. You. You just need enough

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of the right frequency vibration to

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do that. And so that's another

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aspect of coherence. And it is all basically the same,

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really. So May Won Ho said that

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these can become coherent domains that

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under the influence of the magnetic field, end up

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trapping or holding the magnetic field,

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and then they can transmit it. So you need

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structured water, it turns out, to start building these

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coherent domains, little spaces,

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whatever, and the smallest one that

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we can figure out is just

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a Few nanometers across.

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I reckon it, you know, something like

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300 molecules of water in that.

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But then from that basic story, think of it as like little

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coins or something like that, but they can build

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up and they start to form a spiral,

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presumably because of the hexagon. There's an effect

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there. Right. So it then ends up looking like

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a DNA double helix. Then that could form even

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greater structures so that you have enormous structure.

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And if you regard this structure

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as being information,

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then storing the electromagnetic field is providing

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the information. The structured water and

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the other water contained in there, because it doesn't have to be all structured water,

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holds onto it and then can, under certain circumstances,

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transmit it again. And

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because you can make these vast great structures out of it

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in molecular terms, fast, the amount

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of information is. It's got to be infinite,

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really. There's no limit to this.

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So the time crystals within our structured water, according

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to this very well researched theory,

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posit that we could be holding unlimited

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information in our field. Yes. And

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transmitting it. Yes. And receiving it from other fields.

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Correct. All of the above. One of the ways we got into this

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was, you know, Luke Montagnais, who was one of the

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first reporters describers of hiv. He

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did an experiment where he got a DNA

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fragment and put it into like a sort of a solenoid

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battery structure there. Kept it

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completely apart from another

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similar thing which had. So you've got a fragment of DNA

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in this, which we'll call the. Sending the transmitting

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test tube. And then in the

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other test tube, the receiving test tube, you've got

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all the elements necessary to make that fragment of

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DNA again. Then you put that in

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a repeating field, something

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like the Schumann resonance, which is

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going around the world the whole time and has very

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high penetration. So it's going right through us all the time. There's nothing you do

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about that. You can't stop it. And

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God knows what the consequences would be if he did. So that's kind

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of like a carrier wave. What he did was

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to send the information

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from the transmitting test tube to the

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receiving test tube and recorded that

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it actually the DNA was spontaneously

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constructed in the receiving one. So that's

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a clear example of

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this kind of phenomenon happening, of a time crystal

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sending its information to another place

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electromagnetically and building a new

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time crystal there, or new time crystals.

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All right, and when you think that

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biophotons, or as we now call them, ultra

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weak photon emissions are happening all the

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time, all your cells are popping them out the

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whole damn time. Right. And human ones range the

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ultraviolet into the infrared. Right through into the infrared with

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something where there's a bit of a spike in yellow. I'm not sure why that

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is, but what else is it doing? I mean, it's got a point.

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This has to be it. The biophotons. And the

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first. The way we started understanding about biophotons

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was this guy called Gurvitch back in the 30s, I

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think, behind the Iron Curtain there.

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He put an onion shoot

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kind of thing like a sprout, when you sprout your salad

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in one test tube and another one,

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and noted that in the right circumstances,

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there was an effect of having that test

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tube there, that a sprouting active one there would

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cause another one there which hadn't been

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activated or whatever, to start doing stuff.

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And he figured out in that one that you had to have quartz

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there instead of glass between them. Okay. So we have

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established that structured water is essential to life,

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and it creates the electron. You know, it

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supports the electron superhighway that keeps our bodies

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functioning and filled with energy and charged up.

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And we've established that mainstream medicine doesn't currently

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acknowledge that it exists, which is

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a major problem for that industry, I would say. And so now I want to

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get into something. So it's like in our world, not only,

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you know, in the world that you're describing, not only have we established

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that structured water exists, we're starting to find

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suggestions of even deeper mysteries and

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beyond the healthy functioning of our biology,

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which is something called time

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crystals that I think you were, you know,

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comes very strongly from the work of May wen ho. So,

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Dr. Downing, like, pick it up from there. What's

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a time crystal? Just one that was not activated,

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had not been sprouted, and it was sprouting it just from

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receiving the energy of the one that was activated, Correct?

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Yeah, but glass. Glass cut it off. Quartz did it. Because

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in that case, he thought then that it's all

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ultraviolet and the courts will

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transmit the ultraviolet and ordinary glass won't. But

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turns out it's not. It's nothing like that simple. Well, it's just.

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It's as complicated, as complicated as it's time to

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make it. Yeah.

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So what is. What does this mean?

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Particularly for things

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that we have tended to dismiss, like

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telepathy or intuition

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or because I will say, like being around a

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lot of people who have systematically

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added some sunlight and grounding and darkness into their

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lives. I hear a lot of stories of

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people, whether they articulate it as enhanced

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intuition or they just are starting to have

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better ideas and make Better choices and all this kind of

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thing. Like what are the implications of this time

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crystal for this kind of non local

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phenomenon? I've always been quite a skeptic. You know, I'm,

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I would sort of get a new treatment and I'll let somebody else

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experiment on their patients before I experiment on mine

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or whatever. So I've always, you know,

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said that things like

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homeopathy, for instance, they've, they've got a hard

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road to follow. But because

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of Ben Venista studies way back

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that talked about the memory of water or water memory

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for me personally anyway, there's

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oh my God moment. This

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could be it. This could be how all this stuff works, you know,

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as you guys describe it, all the woo woo

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stuff, you know, and add

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to your list of things, you know, of

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paranormal phenomena. Add faith, right?

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They say faith move mountain, moves mountains.

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And this is how I do it. Faith is a form of coherence.

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You get this stuff working together. You know,

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we've all seen things about that, you know,

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oh, we desperately needed a whatever

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and so we prayed for it and it happened.

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And that proves that prayer works. Well,

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I think it does prove that prayer works.

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And prayer is just another form of acting incoherence.

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It doesn't necessarily prove that your God is the right

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one. That's a whole different story.

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Anyway, I think, you know,

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personifying God is a bit stupid. It's a bit like the blind man

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and the elephant, you know, oh, I've got this bit, it's a tail, you know.

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Right. We've all got a different bit and think it's the whole thing.

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Yeah. So as a lifelong skeptic, now that

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you have, you know, for this book researched

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structured water and then researched the

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coherence within structured water, recalling a time crystal

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through the work of May1ho. What I'm hearing you say is that you have

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now you feel confident that we have a mechanism of

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action to describe prayer. Telepathy,

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intuition, meditation. I'm

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definitely a follower of the Reverend Bayes. So I'd say

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the probabilities have shifted substantially

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now. And am I confident? I don't

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know. You know, I'm getting there. Yes, the needle has

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moved. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's like, you know, you remember

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the image of Earth from space, Apollo,

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whichever one, it was 1968, you know,

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we thought, oh my God, it really is a small blue planet, you

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know, and there is no planet B despite Elon

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Musk and all their aspirations. I think seeing the

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images of these little crystals or whatever, you're

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going to call them these coherent domains.

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That's a real thing. What would be sort of

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in your greatest vision of, you know,

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going forward from here now that we have this

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theory, but also the imaging as you said, like we can actually

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see these coherent domains in some level. What is

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your sort of highest destiny for us

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with this information? Okay, well let's start with the dark side of

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it. Because if all of our

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body pretty much is capable of

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responding to electromagnetic energy

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such as biophotons and the natural one sunpite,

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then it's also capable of responding to

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the non native EMFs that

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we're pumping out in ever increasing

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quantities now. So there's a priority there.

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We do need to tidy things up or do some

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housekeeping. And bear in mind that John Art

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described this mal illumination

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phenomenon back in what, 20

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something years before the mobile phone was even invented. There

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were adverse effects from tv, from

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those cordless phones, you know, and

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from the fluorescent lights.

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And he got effects from tidying that stuff

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up. It's got to be a billion times worse now

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because there's so much more bad energy, if you like,

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around

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in the radio frequency part of the spectrum where WI

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fi and mobiles and so forth live. And

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so we have got to do something about that for

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ourselves individually and ideally for the world

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too. But the good news about that

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of course is that you don't have to make it

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perfect right now people who try to

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apply this to patients health and

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so forth, their first rule is that

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you should detoxify your

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sleeping area. Right. So no mobiles and

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no radio wave type stuff in the bedroom.

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Absolutely, that does help. And in fact

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Trevor Marshall is, works in the

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autoimmune sector of things,

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did an experiment with putting hoods on

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that are screening out electromagnetic

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waves. And so he got

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about 60, I think patients

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with autoimmune diseases

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and he got them to where these hoods

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which will screen out some, by no means all, but some

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of the electromagnetic fields reaching you,

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the screen keep them away from your brain.

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And he asked them to wear that for four

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hours waking and four hours sleeping. So that's a

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third of the day. And he got

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effects, he got definite changes in

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their symptoms for which they were already on medication.

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But he got a further improvement. Although

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anybody who's worked with EMFs and electrosensitivity and

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so forth will understand this. There wasn't always good

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effects but that, you know, you get

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surprising things with that. I've seen people who've

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been electro sensitive, covered themselves in, you know,

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Faraday Case type wire fabric

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and get much worse inside that, you know,

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it's unpredictable because. Well, I suppose

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the time crystal theory sort of provides

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an explanation for that. You know, just because it's so complex,

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you can't easily predict

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what is going to happen. But you can

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apply the basic rule, I think, that if

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it's natural, if we evolved in it for

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billions of years, then it's got to be good. And

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if it's non natural, then it's probably

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bad. Or at least it's capable of being

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bad. Right? Yeah. That would be the flip side of it. If

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we're so exquisitely attuned to

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all of these frequencies, then when we're bombarded

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with unhealthy frequencies, that is

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absolutely going to have an effect. Yeah, that would make sense.

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However, the good news is once we know that we can.

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We can choose. Yes, exactly. You can do something

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about it and, you know, have to do it for yourself really

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to begin with. And so if you could just sort of

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summarize where you are now after having done all of this

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research, sort of through the quantum realm, through

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the coherence, through. Through May Wen Ho

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and, And all of your clinical experience over the

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years, your work publishing the journal, like

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sort of. Where do you see? Where are we? Because it

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feels like, I mean, I. I talk to lots of people

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all the time and honestly, I feel like we're in a brand new paradigm every

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month. It sounds. If my work is done

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here. No, I want to know where you think we are right

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now, like what direction we're headed in. Well, we can see

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that, you know, things are getting worse.

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We can also see that it takes time

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for us to get this stuff into our heads. Really,

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on average about 50 years. We know we've got to

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keep on at this, but there is some hope.

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I think this stuff has kind of arrived

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just in time as things get

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really bad. Unless Three Eye Atlas

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up there, actually, he's carrying some benevolent

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aliens. We do it for ourselves.

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I love it. Well, that is a perfect place to end. I would

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love. I, I think you might have that. Maybe that's the

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answer. Three

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Eye Atlas will explain all and lead us forward into

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the next. Into the new era. The new era,

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Exactly. Yes. Well, Dr. Downing, thank you for

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coming back to the podcast. Thank you for this incredible book, Coherent

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Health. It will be available soon. We will let you know how to order

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it and put links in the show notes and

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yeah, just so appreciate you diving

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into all of this and coming out with a coherent articulation.

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So we can all wrap our heads around it. Oh, it's been my pleasure, I

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