In this episode, Heather shares her personal journey of magnetizing her dream life and building a successful business. She discusses the rituals and routines she incorporates into her daily life to align with the life she desires, and how she navigated various obstacles and resistance along the way. Heather shares the pivotal moments that led her to pursue her dream life. She discusses the importance of setting intentions and visualizing specific goals. She opens up about the obstacles and resistance she encountered during her journey, and the strategies she used to overcome these challenges, including mindset shifts, seeking support, and staying committed to her vision. She also shares practical tips and strategies for leveraging the power of manifestation in business growth. Heather discusses the significance of cultivating an abundance mindset in attracting abundance into one's life as well as insights on building resilience and bouncing back from setbacks, offering practical strategies for turning failures into growth opportunities. 

Highlights: 

• Surrounding Yourself with Supportive Networks
• Embracing Failure and Resilience
• Aligning with Abundance Mindset
• Embracing Self-Care and Well-being 

About the Guest:

Heather Andrews is the founder of Get You Visible, author, speaker and international best-selling author, and story coach. With her own podcasting company and radio show she’s also a sought-after speaker who inspires audiences by sharing personal challenges and strategies that have helped her optimize adversity. Heather is a voice for self-discovery, reinvention, and fearless revitalization.

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Website: https://getyouvisible.com/

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Grace Oben is a highly sought-after international speaker, Author, Mindset and Purpose Clarity Coach who is dedicated to empowering women, unwed pregnant teens, and teen moms to find clarity in their purpose, make a lasting impact in the world, and make money living it. With a passion for helping others, Grace has been featured on GO TV, Global News, Podcasts, Magazines, where she shares her valuable insights and inspirations.

Drawing from her extensive experience and expertise, Grace offers transformative coaching programs that empower women, unwed pregnant teens, and teen moms to discover their unique gifts, unleash their potential, and create a life of purpose and fulfillment. Through her engaging speaking engagements, she captivates audiences with her dynamic storytelling and practical strategies for personal and spiritual growth. 

If you're ready to transform your life, Grace is ready to guide you on your journey of purpose-discovery, helping you unlock your potential, and make a positive impact in the world.

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Hello, hello Hello beautiful people. Welcome back to magnetize podcast. It's a girl Grace Oben. And today I have one of the most amazing women you can ever imagine. Like it's one of those women that way you meet your life make it 360 turn.

And today I have the most beautiful, most amazing go getter, Dream builder, Heather Andrews. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. So Heather, welcome to magnetize podcast. How are you doing today?

I am excellent. Thank you so much grace for having me on. It was such magnetism.

That's amazing. So Heather is Heather Andrews. Your bio has gone missing You must be kidding me.

Had one lady do it?

Hello, beautiful people. And welcome back to Magnetize Podcast it's your girl Grace Oben and I have today yet the most amazing guests you can ever imagine. Heather Andrews this is one lady that way you met your life make a 360 turn. And I have the honor. I have the privilege to have her today on my podcast. So Heather Andrews is the founder of Get You visit your Visible Publishing, founder of get you visible publishing, creator of empire authors Academy. Heather is also a speaker, and 14th time best selling Amazon author and publisher. She believes in the power of your own story, and has helped over 300 authors share their unique stories and wisdom with the world with 50 Plus books published on their her company, and 80% of them reaching number one best selling. I told you she is a fire bomb. Welcome, Heather Andrews, beautiful handle and welcome. You know, it's amazing to have you Yeah, it's an honor heaven to have you today on my podcast. How are you doing?

I am doing extremely well. And I'm super excited to magnetize for the next 30 minutes with you. That's the word magnetize. Yeah, I love the word. It's great. It's a great podcast.

Thank you, thank you, I I believe in attracting the life that you want attracting what you want. And believe in knowing that you have the power, you have the ability to make that your reality. So I always say to people, if your world is not to your place in and you prefer a different reality, you've got the power to transform everything

into it's quite amazing. It's a process to get there though. Absolutely. It

is. Yeah, it is a process and I think the beauty about our processes is who will become right not just the the not just the life that you create, but who you created the process of creating that life who you become in the process of creating that life. I think that's the most beautiful aspect of it all. So hey, Heather, let's dive right in. Because if me or you start Yeah, we will February's pregnant with wisdom. So Heather, what does magnetizing your dream life means to you? And how do did you discover?

I think it's the energy you give out. And I think sometimes we become very familiar and what we want and what we're familiar with. And to step outside of that comfort zone to even think that something is possible is foreign to women and men for that matter. And, and you'll discover that later on one of my core values about doing everything that I do is modeling the way for my three kids because I never wanted them to stay stuck in relationships stuck in jobs stuck in a life that they ever wanted. And how do you do that you have to model the way and so there's been some bold decisions made and but my kids know that I'll never stay in something that isn't serving me. And I will always choose them, you know for sure because they're my kids, but I will always choose what's best for me, because what's best for me is best for everyone usually involved, right? There's usually a bit of a ripple, but it's if something's not working, there's a reason for it. And that's how you magnetize that start that magnetism process is just not just recognizing that you don't have to stay stuck where you are. There's options.

I love that. There are options with too many you get to decide, you get to decide the life you want, you get to decide what you want. I like that. So what is the greatest obstacle you've overcome in your pursuit of your dream? Life? Oh, how did you navigate it?

There was so many, I think the probably the greatest obstacle really was? Well, there's been several obstacles, but probably the one that set the trajectory in a different direction was when I got restructured out of my health care management, John, and I went to a networking event and bought a year later. And I met amazing women. And I found hope that day. And I landed up being open to becoming an entrepreneur, because I saw that was being established in that room. And I got to write in a book. And once I wrote in that book, I was like, Oh, this is kind of cool. And it really changed my perception of my own story, because it made me think that I had something to offer in this world. So I never thought that I would own a publishing company, a publishing agency, I didn't ever think I would lead a woman's networking company for the two years that I did. And I didn't. And I really didn't ever think that I was I was going to be a manager for the rest of my life. But the things that I learned in there were identity, and you are more than your six digit income, five digit income, four digit income, whatever, you're more than someone else's mom. And you have and you as an individual have to stay in that individual lane. But you can go out and serve larger model the way and really emulate what you want in this world. Just by staying in your own truth, and, and knowing that your soul is doing what it's supposed to do. And that's really what it's been about is figuring out who Heather is, and who any of us are really, and moving in those spaces of what we want, because then everything else falls into place. Because we magnetize we attract like, and we can we can say no to the unlike. Right. And I think that's kind of how you move through the obstacle. And one of the other things is that throughout the choices, and we get to decide, is that the solutions already there? Absolutely. You know, and I think that comes from the trust and divine trusting God and just really getting in that playing field of solutions already there. You got to learn the lessons. And so when you get a hit of an obstacle, you kind of go really, again, seriously, you're doing this to me again. Okay, that's okay. Bring it on. Let's go learn some more lessons. So we can go out and teach some mentorship. I mean, how else do you have us to view it? How else can you view it?

Absolutely. It's so amazing. Like I always say to people, our script already written you just need to align and that does not mean that the challenges will not come that was never promised to any of us. No, but I think it's about what you do with the challenges that you face. How you how you process it, how you analyze it, are they happening to you? Do you see it like oh my gosh, what is going on What have I done to deserve all of this? Gosh, it came to you because you have the answer. You have the ability right to overcome you know no difficult no challenge will come to anyone who does not have the answer but we just need to to sit back and say okay, what is this in? What is this about? What is this trying to say to me? What is this trying to communicate to me what's the lesson in this? What what what is the what is what is this? This trying to tell me is this a wake up call is this some something you know there is the speed bumps and stop signs. I always say the speed bumps are not there to tell you make a U turn Don't go back. This speed bumps are there to say slow down. Think well, and then you take off your data, say make a U turn, right.

I think sometimes there's a time for a U turn. But But I usually think you know, before you make the U turn, think about what direction that you're going. You better off and just stay the course and go right, go left. Yeah, kind of, you know, twisty, turny, but you never want to go back. It I always say when, and we'll get to this one in a second. But when you when I left my marriage of 24 years, and you know, he's like, come back, I'm like, No, you can never go back. Because the trust the, the dynamic, the, you know, it's never the same. I mean, I hand it to people who can who separate and can go back and they can become better. But in anything that I've ever done, it's I'm never repeating the same thing twice. Wow, you're just not and. And that's been my, it's like, I can never go back. I can only make things right moving forward. And I've always led every decision that I have led, I've led with love, you know, pretty much. And because I have to kind of always said, Don't burn a bridge. And, you know, in that there has been some bridges burned, just because that was the way that it went. But I really do try to I live my life from space of love and gratitude. And that has come from that mental that mental mindset has come because of some of the obstacles overcome. Yeah,

absolutely. And I like I like what you said about sometimes we can make a U turn you right? If you realize you've gone too far, you missed your exit. And a U turn is only a way to go back and get it right. You can make that U turn. And and something about burning bridges, you know, yeah, we were told that don't burn your bridges. But however, the truth is, there are some bridges that needs to be burned. If everage it's it's not taking me to it's not connecting me to where I want to go and is causing me pain, that I don't think I'm gonna lose anything burning that bridge, because that bridge is no longer serving me anyways, right now. Yeah, go ahead. No,

I just was, I think the best analogy that I can really say is, the online dating world is the best, it's the best one with that, like, I could probably write a book on just all those experiences. But but, you know, anyway, it's but sometimes bird you know, but it can even be that, you know, without intentionally burning something is it's, it's a two way street. Right? And how someone perceives it to how someone you know, and then there's just not burning the bridge, but just not having an interaction with that person anymore. Because it, it wasn't serving either of you. But sometimes the other person doesn't necessarily see it. Absolutely. You know, if you're not whole in a relationship, whether it be personal, romantic work or business, if you're not in alignment, it's not serving either of you.

Absolutely. I agree. 125% If there is something like

that, yeah. 150% We can go 150% Today, because you know, there's just ripples right? In every decision that you make, there's there's ripples, just as

that is absolutely so true. So what do you think, is the role of mindset and belief system? What do you think that plays? What role does that play in attracting your dream life? And how do you work on strengthening your mindset or your belief system,

I have a mentor. And I believe that because they've gone before me, they've achieved things that that I've imagined that I am striving to because it you know, and depending on where you are in the spectrum of attracting your life in you know where you are in your life, you have some people that are just beginning to build their dream life, you have some people who have achieved dreams, lost dreams, and then have to rebuild their dreams. And you have those ones that just you know, skyrocketed along the way and and they are living their dream life. And so I think it's, you know, but you always have to stay in the space of you can deal with the what is but it's what I want, what I desire, what I longed to have, and you know there is the B do have, right be who you want to do do what you want to do what you want to have or have, what you're going to have what you want, and I believe in Not because it's like you have to be the person to attract the higher level frequency stuff in your life. And you always end it in. And I always taught my kids to take the high road anyway. And I think that if you there's a behavior, there's a mindset there that this is what I want. And you just have to clear the path. Because if we're all if we're sitting there going, you know, from business, to business, to business to career, critical career, and never really straining the path, the path gets confused. And then it's like, well, what do you want. And just as an example, you know, when I was in the midst of building my company, what was what was clear to me was, I always worked, I worked, I stayed working in healthcare. Because it was just, it was a license, it was a way to build my business faster. It was, it was a way to build my business faster, because I had revenue stream, and I didn't have to worry about anything, I just took all the money that came into my company, paid all the people that I needed to pay, and put in the systems that I needed to put in so that I could grow. And I've always stayed. And but the thing is, is in that space, it was always, what do you want next? What do you want next? And it was just always building in the space. And you had to have to deal with the what is every day? Like, you know, yes, I'm walking into my job, or yes, I'm walking, I'm taking my kids to daycare or whatever, but I want this bigger house. I want this nicer car. And it's like, how do I get there? And I think when you have the business plan that shows you bigger, you can attract bigger. And whenever I needed money in those early early days, it always came in the form of an extra shift, or an extra, because it was familiar. And it was just it was like oh, yeah, okay, I need money. I you know, and the extra shifts would come. Now it's like, man, okay, I want to take an upgrade to this next system. What do I need to get there? Okay, well, I need $10,000. Okay, well, how's that money going to come in, because it's easy now, to attract that because you know, that easiness comes, when you need something, the money comes easier than just an x ray shift, or just, it comes in the capacity of, you know, money, or comes the capacity of clients or comes in the capacity of referrals, because you've cleared the path, and you know, how to get what you want. And there is no magical formula and that it is a learned, it is a learned process. It is a learned. But you know, but it's being bold, it's being able to walk into that Jaguar dealer and say, Yes, I am looking at this car, because one day I'm going to have it. Yeah. And one day, I'm going to, you know, and it's amazing to me at how many people will let you sit in this car, even if you just stand there and just say it, I'm working toward this car. And it's amazing to them, because they want to help you achieve the dream. Right? Absolutely. And the beautiful part. And the most beneficial part about being an entrepreneur. And working your way into having that life is really that state of knowing and that state of knowing. And you can have more. And you can just have more. And when you have the creativity, which you can have in your business. One of them one of my mentors always said to me was, you can, if you're striving, if you're struggling, and you're have a tight month or something, create a project, create a project in your business, so that you can create the revenue that you need to take it to the next level. And that's what I've always done. I've always just created a project. It's like, well, you know what, we can go do this, we can create a mastermind we can create, we can bring like mine together, we can grow together, we can do this. And you have to be anything when you step into that space of magnetism in order to magnetize what you want, you've got to clear the path and get rid of all the stuff that isn't serving them. And you know, and and it's evident because, you know, as soon as I got rid of one thing, like this week's been amazing, because I clean you know, I cleared out some other projects, and then all of a sudden was like, there was capacity to serve. Right? So, and this is huge. And that's how you start to magnetize is by clearing the path of the things that you don't want. Absolutely.

By saying no to the things you don't want. And sometimes it can be scary. Because we think oh What if even though I can see it, I can see this is useful or this is the thing what if it is what if I'm too quick to clear the path? What if, what if this decision I'm about to take is the wrong decision? What if, but just what if and those what ifs will never go away? weigh

in. But what if it's the right decision?

What if the Right, exactly? And why don't you jump from the cliffs in your source bearing? That's where the risk bearing comes?

In sometimes, you know, and this is one of the things that I've always beat myself up a little bit about as well, I didn't go so well. And but it's like, Okay, what did you look? What did you know, might it might not have gone so well, but it's learning. I didn't know what I didn't know. And, you know, and I think the biggest piece of any of us needs to understand is that if you're married, and you have a beautiful husband, who supports everything you do, and all the things, then that's fine. Most of the women that I know, have been, have been gutted, have been left and they had to, you know, not, I won't say fight, because that's not in the energy that I, but they've had to become more resilient. They've had to, you know, work harder to achieve the things that they have. And, and I think when you realize that, that self reliance is huge, and I never and I think one of the days when somebody and we don't know how people are perceiving us either. And I think and I think staying humble is very space is a great space, because somebody said to me, once you are self made, you've been through the bumps, but you walk with victory. And I thought, Yeah, but I'm nowhere near where I want to be. If it doesn't matter, you're walking your walk with victory, you get to decide. And you can change that story, you can change so that you are living that magnetizing life, you just have to get out of the clutter. That's the biggest thing I can say. And that's the biggest lesson I can learn. And is there going to be some months when you go? Well, that bank account doesn't look so great. Yeah, but you know what? It comes? Yeah, it comes, you always have to stay on point to that. And just know what you want and always stay have integrity. And that's just and just come at it from a space of love and gratitude and just lead with it. Because, you know, getting I mean, I've been angry. My default mechanism was anger. I when I did an emotional intelligence test, my default when I got restructured out was anchor, and I never really and I know when I was in management, one of the things that I always said was seriously, like, who are we kidding? And everybody was and when I sat in a course one day and the lady's like, well, that's really negative, and I went, are you kidding me? And she's totally goes, yeah, it's kind of negative. And I'm like, Well, I guess I've never seen that. You know, you know, and apparently, you know, be anyway.

That's, that's amazing. You know, energy is everything. Energy is everything. And it's really important that we pay attention to the energy that we're putting out there. But that's, that's just what we're gonna get back in return. You know, I it's so funny because one of one of mine is like, are you really kidding me now? Like, are you kidding me now?

When I when I said, I know that I'm really losing it. Like, are you? Are you like seriously like, I? But anyways,

so heaven, talk to me. So what are the what's the most courageous decision you've made that significantly impacted your life, business or career? You

know, when I made the decision to leave, I've been married twice. When I made my decision to leave my first husband. I was in, you know, just a non was just not a great marriage. I was 20. I got married, and I was 20. And I left when I was 24. I got on a, I got on a plane. And I got high and I went to Saudi Arabia. Wow. Yeah. And, and you know, and I remember the lady when I was on the plane to Toronto, she's like, Honey, you don't have to cry so hard. It's only Toronto, you're only a flight away. But I'm not going to Toronto. I'm going to Saudi for a year. But I was so darn excited. I was so excited. I just had to get past the point of leaving my mom and dad at the airport. But I was so excited to be out of that marriage. I was so excited to be living on my own. And I was so excited that I was gonna get to travel and live and live a life where people did not know me. And I could be accepted for who I was what I believed in my work ethic. I mean, now funny, having said that, okay, I'm talking about going to Saudi Arabia, right? Whereas, you know, the most repressive most, you know, Islamic Lord state where women can be, but I found freedom there. I found freedom I found myself I found friends I found, you know, the next husband, and I was able to travel and it really learned like I I went to Egypt and Jordan and Dubai and Europe and Nepal and all these beautiful places. And I got to see with inside Saudi Arabia as well. And because we were, we had visitor visas, and we could go on the trips from the hospitals and stuff. And it was such a, you want to talk about magnetizing. And I didn't even know about magnetizing, anything, I just made a decision, and I was going to do it in the universe followed. And I think that's the magical recipes rate is just, I want something different. And I think when we're 20, something, we don't have a lot to lose. And if we can, and I always said that if we could take that openness of our youth, and just keep that in our world. And in that belief system. It's amazing what we can achieve. And, and I think one of the biggest lessons my oldest son taught me was, it was Mum, I asked him one day is it what are you going to do? And when he grew up, and he was mom, it's okay, I'm going to create my own success. And I thought, why can't we all view that, I'm going to create my own success. Now success is going to look something too different to every single one of us. But the first Christmas, as a family, we did have Christmas together after I left, because that was the promise because that was the kids, his biggest thing was, you know, we can't be going back and forth between you guys have to have Christmas, I was like, we can do that. And my kids got me this big huge picture, like huge picture frame. And it had all the pictures of you know, them growing up, and it had my book covers in the center of it, and it was family around the outside. And at the bottom of it, it said, I'm going to create my own success, you know, love, Tessa, Shane and Spencer. And, you know, it was really an in that moment, I knew that and that was 2015 2019 1818. And I said, like that was the whole thing was, I knew that I'd made a decision and my decision was respected. And it was and it was respected. And my kids were going to be okay. And they and they and everything that I've taught them in every event that I've had, and they've been to, because they've all been there, you know, and that's the beautiful piece in that is that they've all been there and they've witnessed it. And you can see it in how they behave in their in their careers today. Because they look at things from a totally different perspective. And so when we can model that, and that becomes our value point. That's, that's where you find your courage is in that truth?

Absolutely. Absolutely. I have never heard someone said, I'm going to create my own success. That's, that's so much wisdom. Well, it was just being

generally themself.

And, and it's so it's because the normal thing is we ask our kids or children is, who are you going to be and then they go and say, Oh, I'm gonna be this, I'm gonna be that. And sometimes that it changes it, they change that their mind as they grow up. They're like, I don't think I want to be that I really, this is what I really want, or what I really want to be. And so it's amazing for for your, for your son to have said, I'm going to create my own success in Ross. And in other words, we're going to build as I grew up, I say, developing wisdom and knowledge and understanding, I will create what I really want from that place of knowing and understanding. Right? It's amazing that that was mind blowing. So what's the most memorable failure you've experienced? And how did you shape? How did it shape your path?

The most memorable failure? I don't know if I never look at failures as failures. I really don't. I think I learned at a young age when I went into a restaurant and I had to clean the toilets. I was like, yeah, that's not for me. Anyway. And then I knew I was never going to be I and you know, and I knew that I had to do it, but I didn't do it. And you know, but it was it was a great learning curve. But I think the most memorable failure, I don't know if it was a failure as much as it was just lack of planning maybe. And it and really, it was COVID that day that the world got shut down. And there was no emergency operation capital because everything got put into the money. Money wasn't there, and we lost, we lost our event, we lost our way there was no failsafe. And so I think in all of that, having that, that financial planning having that financial backup to if something does go wrong, you have you have a cushion and that is It's really like so many people say they don't want to live their numbers, they don't want to deal with the numbers in their business, they don't want to deal with the financials, they don't want to, they don't know where their money's going. While the only thing I can really say to you is, you need to get yourself out of, you need to get your head out of your on that one. And really look at your money, plan your money, have your emergency business backup, your emergency backup for life, your emergency backup, and I know that there's, you know, people who struggle day to day with that. But even if it's something, right, and, and I think that's on that financial front, it's just have your backup plan for your business, have your insurances have your you know, and just really have that financial backing. Because in order to grow your business, you need it. In order to take risks in your business, you need it. And you know, and, and just really, because sometimes, even though you attract, you manifest you and you have no problem with that sometimes that money doesn't come when you think it should. And so you need to be able to operate from that place of you know, of you have their operating costs, and then you have your backup plan. And that's really is having that backup cushion in your business is probably the best thing that I can ever say.

I think that's, that's so that's so wise. It's different, maybe

than what you were. Because I think my biggest financial challenges have come since being an entrepreneur. And, and being a solo, a solo woman in today's world and, and just taking and risking big. And yeah, sometimes it didn't always, you know. And now it's like that is that's the thing that I've learned is your cushion. You've got to have your cushion. You have to.

And I liked the way you you. And you spoke about it, because so as I think it's opera was set days that failure No, it's not opera, someone someone else. I'm not sure who that person is. They says when we feel a failure is it's a it's a kind of feedback. It's a kind of feedback we got, we need to pay attention to that feedback. Like you said, you believe it was more poor planning. That was it feedback you got from from that experience, right? So if we see failure as a feedback, then we will always sit back and say, Okay, what did I miss? What happened? What do I need to change? What do I need to tweak? Where if we see it as more like, oh, this was not for me anyways, maybe it's just the universe giving me some sign that you I shouldn't be doing this. I shouldn't pursue this, then that's where we miss it. But when we see it like a feedback, I'm like, Ah, okay. Let me sit back. Let me go back on the drawing board and see what went wrong here. What can I do moving forward? Just like just like you did? So? Yeah, go ahead. Do you want to

say that that's a podcast just on its own? Yeah, it's a podcast on its own. Because when you think about, okay, so 10 years in business, right. And you think about all of the things and, you know, the lessons learned the, it's the feedback that you got. Absolutely. And I think the biggest piece and I think that's one of the things in the in one of the biggest mistakes, not not mistakes, learning curves in the early on when I was in my world of entrepreneurship, it was having those right people because your fear Facebook, as soon as you say you're an entrepreneur, you get all these ads for all these, all these things. And you think, yes, I want to be a speaker, I'm gonna go buy that, yes, I want to do this, and I'm gonna go buy that. And yes, I'm gonna go to this and I'm gonna go buy that. And then before you know it, your credit card has rocked to the max. And, and it's like, okay. Okay, what do I need to do to not do that again? Because you're just hungry for learning. Right? And, you know, and even today, it's like, you know, I, there's a program that I would love to do, but it's like, nope, it'll be there. Every six months, she opens a new, a new thing. And right now, I need to do A, B, C, and D and E. And then and I don't have right now and if I can't pay cash for something, I don't do it. I do not live in a world of credit anymore. I just don't. I have my one business credit card that I use. And if I can't pay for it, I don't get to do it.

Wow. That's That's amazing. And it's so funny about what you just said about the excitement where you just get into this whole entrepreneur war. I experienced this I was I was chatting with with a friend the other time. And they were telling me, oh, they need to sign up, they need to do this. And I'm like, you want to step back? And do you really need to do it now? And when do I said, I have been through that? There are online courses that I signed up for that I didn't go through. And I see the next ad and one I found myself with 10 online courses. And I'm thinking which one do I go through? First, and then you find yourself in that deep because it costs money you've paid, you've paid, it's gone, right? And then you find yourself in that place where you just keep spending, spending spending, and the income is not increasing. But your spending habit has tripled. Right, that's just heading towards heading towards a financial disaster.

Yeah, and I think the other thing is, is that there's always going to be somebody that will appear when you need them. And it doesn't really matter if you are 565 digit, seven digit, there's always going to be the mentor that you need. And I think that is the is the lesson. And all of that is, what do you need right now, to move this forward. And it's no different than in the world of book publishing. It's like, you know what, that's why I do the get you starting stuff. Because I'm like, you know, when you're ready to write this book, in the academy, You're darn straight, it's an investment you can come into the Academy will coach you, however, you know, but we want the people that are ready to go. And that's a fit. And because there's a cost when something doesn't fit. And I do and I do they get you writing stuff, because get you started writing master classes and things like that, because it gets people in that space of dreaming. And I have a touchpoint probably seven times with people before they even that that will convert into a program with me. And so this is where I meet people where they're at. And an AI because you've got to be ready to take this journey. And I think that and that's an from, you know, like my perspective, it's, yes, I want to work with people that are ready to take this journey. And, and I want to be ready to take a journey with the person that I want to work with. And you don't need everything all at the same time.

Absolutely, you don't, you absolutely know.

You need what you need to get you to that next space. And then you can you know, you can can go. And then you can then you can go. And that's probably been the biggest lesson. And all of that was just thinking that I needed everything all at once. Because I didn't have the capacity to do it. And sometimes when people say Oh, well, you're a right fit to work with me. It's like, Yeah, but you're not a right fit for me right now. And that's okay. Yeah. And, and be okay, in that. You know, and, and in, it was just a lot of things in the business world and the entrepreneurial space in order to try that, that magnetizing life that, that you just got to say, okay, yeah, I'm magnetizing that right now. And because things will come to you. Because you thought about it. And then and but when things don't click, and you're bashing or heading, if things don't click, chances are, you gotta go back and figure it out. And when things click, yeah, it's an even though you might have with things click to a higher level is what I'm saying, like, not the day to day stuff, but the things when they click to work to that higher level. That's when it's great.

Absolutely. It's amazing. Just Just something interesting. I want to share I remember talking about what we just said about asking yourself, what do I need now. I remember when I just graduated, and I had this thought of working in this office and all this stuff. I went to the mall bought suits, bought clothes, it anticipate, like planning in the future, my future job, and they ended up not working in a position that I needed those clothes. It's so true how we spend time spend money on things that we really don't need right now. Whereas at that time, I the best question would have been great. What do you need right now? Right? Not in Victoria? Not in one year, six months, three months, right?

I mean, I'm losing weight and I was looking at some really cool thing. things yesterday. And I'm like, so I went and bought I bought a sweater because the sweater will fit no matter what. And because I wanted to celebrate that I'd gone down a size. And I thought, You know what this sweater will will fit in another 20 pounds gone. But the one jacket, I know, it was like, No, I don't want that size that jacket. Because if you know, but I did go out and buy the ultimate pair jeans of the size I want it to be because then that's my gauge. That's my gauge on what I know, I need to work toward. And so there's there's ways to measure what you're doing. And then there's things to celebrate the now Right? Absolutely. And and I mean, I'm I mean, I'm not great on all of this. I just know what works for me, and how I am and I put those jeans on every couple of weeks and go. Okay, yeah, every 10 pounds. It's like, oh, I didn't. Because one day, I know that I'm going to be able to get those suckers done up. And oddly enough, when I did my last event, the pair of pants that I wore on stage, I could not get on this the event before. Wow. And so I and and I and it was just by trial. And, you know, like, by, that's what I wore. And it was like, wow, okay, this is good. This is good. We're, we're doing okay. But it was evidence. And, you know, and, you know, like, there's just such a big mystery in the world of the there's a big world in a lot of it boils down to self love. And I didn't love myself enough to take myself seriously to lose 25 pounds and, and all of the things but until I saw the pictures and went, wow. Okay. Wow. You know, and yeah, it's just, it's just funny, just things in life that just make you go. Okay.

Yeah, nothing is changing, changing. So that's good. So how do you how do you remain focus, remain motivated, and focus on your dreams, especially in during challenging time.

Because, you know, I think I viewed it by cost. And if I had shut down, when I was ready to shut down during COVID it would have cost me more to get out of it than it was worth it to stay in it. So as I stayed in it, and then Then I took a bit of a hiatus from the world of publishing and went into something else and did that for the two and a half years. And that was an amazing experience. And but it just wasn't, but my business. But my publishing company was always calling me back. It was always calling me back. And, and then finally, when I got clear on what I saw, you know, women struggling with as you know, after I led them and created a community with them. It was the transformation of storytelling. And that's really what led me to create my empire authors Academy was a I wanted to write my book, but I could see the transformation that happened right before me, when women stepped into community, women stepped into their story, they changed their story, they published their story. And even from like doing video reels to, you know, publishing an article to, and seeing the excitement and all of that I thought, I want to serve in a larger way I want to serve in I really want to take people to the top of their books, and let that really be a business for them, or a revenue stream. And, and that, and that was where my calling was. And I was called back into the world of publishing and speaking to story and because it all starts with changing our story. And so I never ever stopped publishing, I just, you know, slowed it down a little bit. But I've always been called into the world of publishing, homies. And it's really now that I've got, you know, we're starting our second group in our academy, and it's where my heart sings the loudest.

When he clicks, it

just clicks and people come and once you know, but I needed the people to help me create the vision because I said, this is what I want. I don't know what this looks like. And it was Christine Johansson here in Calgary that came up with the the branding around it the brownie name that and what it and what it and then we just took it and ran with it. And we had to develop the programs for it. We had to but she came up with the name of it. And and she's the one that taught me that I can be bold and I can step into the space. And when I saw it, I cried because it was so beautiful. And I and she said to me, she says if you're going to have this type of program, how that you got to have this type of branding. It has to look like a four digit program, a five digit program, because you're a five digit coach. And I was like Okay, wow. And it was the slap the kick, and the and so I'm very grateful for her, because she's the one that called it. And Rosalind Franklin other one called it. And you know, and then other people have seen it too. And when people see you in that way, you gotta go, Okay, well, I guess I got to kind of pull up my bootstraps here and show up in that way, because that's how people see me. But sometimes we don't see how people see us, we just don't, because we're so in our own bubble, right. And, and that's, that's the long and the short of it is I lead with heart. And I serve my people in a, in a very large way. And, and that's, I think, where my ego had to come out of it as well was, I'm here for bigger purpose. And it's not just about me, it's about everybody that I serve the community that I build the people that were attracted to, you know, our events and things like that, because that was, that's tangible stuff. And when I see people, you know, stand on stage and speak, and, and they're there because I told them that they had a story and the opportunity was there it or, and then when they want to publish their own book, it's like, yes, they're absolutely, you know, and, and that's the biggest transformation that there is, is just stepping into something bigger than yourself, and knowing that you can do it.

Knowing that you've got what it takes to do it, even though even though you're not, you don't know everything you need to know. Just just step in,

and you might just and you're gonna probably rebrand seven times, and you're gonna have clients that don't mesh with you, and you're gonna get complaints and whatever else. But at the end of the day, just lead with integrity, lead with love lead with and just serve your clients well. And respect the people who've gone before you, that's et

cetera. So are they any specific rituals or routines you incorporate into your daily life to align with your dream life,

I am back working out. And that's probably been the best thing that I could have done eating better than I've eaten. Because my bio which my body to be that feeling and feel it well, so that it has the energy to go and do what I asked you that every day. And, and I sit and I do sit in quiet on the floor in the middle and just let everything just right. And I claim more space for myself than probably ever have. It's it's really that and I do you know, I don't know if I meditate. But I think the quiet and turning people off outside and just being in my own space. And being in my own company. That's the thing that I do every day. Because it, it just really gives me the perspective to and it keeps the peace. Because if I find that if I do not have that, my my body feels chaotic, my body feels tired. And I don't know that I've had peace in my world. It's something that I strive for every single day.

So it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful feeling. And just just a time to have that moment, that quietness, to reset,

you know, and the universe sometimes gives us these wonderful colds and puts us in bed for three days. But I think it was somebody and I think it was somebody who wrote on well I guess it's time to surrender to sleep. And I'm like, You know what, I'm just gonna have sleep and let somebody and be open to receive someone you know, bringing me soup and helping me and because I've always been the one that gave and gave and gave and gave and served and served served and, and then begged for somebody to bring me soup in bed namely ex husband and you know what, we won't go there. But you know, and, and, and things like that. But at the end of the day, it's just being open to you know, be in your own space, be in your own skin and be comfortable with who you are. And then you can hold space for others in a lot bigger way. And and just someone and and love from people comes in different ways. Love can come from friends love can come from plug clients love can come from community love can come from your network. It's not just necessarily in the space of a partner or just being able to receive those compliments. And when somebody gives you one, just say thank you. It's it's such a different space to be in, don't deflect on people, like don't say, oh, no, that's you know, be who you are. And just know that you can step into something more like don't stay who you are, but be who you are in every step of it because it's an evolution. It is and you can disrupt your own life because I know that I disrupt mine and and it's rippled into others as well and some of my decisions weren't always the best of because I'm stubborn I don't listen. And I think, and I always said to my son, I said, If you don't listen, your universal Smackdown will be a big one. And he heard it, he got it. He received it. And he was like, oh, man, why didn't I listen? I'm like, You know what I told you. But yeah, I'm hands off. Just know. And I always said that there's choice. And there's, there's, there's choice, and there's consequence, right. And if you choose, you know, to be in a relationship that the person's not emotionally available, then you're going to be, you're going to be unhappy, because they will never love you the way that you want to be loved. If you, if you choose a path in your business that isn't suiting, it will cost you hundreds of 1000s of dollars. Absolutely. If you try. Yeah. And if you choose to self sabotage, you will stay stuck in the work in the space for the rest of your life. And that's just like being the creator of your own story. And I've got it tattooed on my arm, you are the creator of your own story, because it's the mantra that I live by. And if something is not frickin working in my life to create the magnetized dream that I want, then it's time to change the story because I get to decide, and every single person out there gets to decide this listening to this podcast.

Absolutely. I believe you're 100% That's, that's my mindset. If it's not working, I decide. I change it. I believe in being on the driver's seat. I remember, I was in an Uber one time and I when I got talking with the with the driver, and I said, he said he has an amazing, he's an amazing, amazing person, but he has so much of this victim kind of mindset. And I was trying to chat with him to him on like, you need to be the driver on the driver's seat of your life, just like you're in the driver's seat not driving this car, you should know you can never be on the driver's seat of your libido. You never know what is gonna happen. You know, I said, I said, when you make that decision that this is what I want. This is how you work towards it. This will align in your favor. And but I was so happy that by the time I get off, he turned to me and said, thank you. I never saw life the way you presented it to me. Thank you very much. I say I'm glad I was able to help. Right? Because a lot of people just feel that this happened to them. It just happened to them. It just happened to them. And they have things happen.

Sometimes things sometimes things happen when we least expect them.

Yeah.

And, but but sometimes it's what we needed. And it came in a way that because it was like you needed someone. Yeah, I mean, it happened. I told my partner like he arrived. I didn't go looking i He came into the world in a way that I knew. And it was like, Who are you? And why are you here? But I know why he was here. Because I was supposed to leave something. And I was supposed to think bigger. And I was supposed to end. And I was supposed to listen, because there was knowledge there that I had to know.

But that happened to you because Heather, you had been planting seeds. Absolutely. Right. So you have to say so what you what you've been building or seeding for showed up? Right, but not in the way that you expect him

to the way that I expected. And it didn't come in the way that I you know, but I Yeah, oddly enough, though. I mean, every day when I looked at my previous, you know, relationship, it was like, get me out of here. I don't know how to do this. And it just kind of just boom, there it was end, but it must have been felt, you know, and in that space, and it was funny because, you know, the other said person's like, I can't live without you. And, and, and I'm gonna lose everything because you're leaving me and, and, you know, you check, you know, you do a drive by or you know, whatever. And it's like, ya know, they're still standing their company still there. It's okay. My ex husband thought his life was coming to an end, but he's now going to live on the other side of the world with his new wife. So, you know, sometimes sometimes, and most times, we're you know, and I will always say, if it's not right for me, it's not right for you.

And then one one thing I always say to my clients is that when you when you begin that when you begin that law If of manifestation manifesting your dream life or whatever that thing is, don't see it and try to think how it's going to happen. Because that's the limitation right there. Just say what you want, and you just go ahead with doing what you need to do. And sometimes it will happen in a way in ways that you you will never ever, you will never have imagined it was going to happen in that way. And, and that's the beauty of magnetizing magnetization. Have you encountered resistance or skepticism from others regarding your pursuit of your dream life? And how did you handle that?

You know, my whole publishing company has been under skepticism. And, you know, but yet, there's just evidence every single day that I was supposed to stay in it. And but I've had to pivot. And when things got rough, it's like, get out, get out, get out. And let me just sit with it for a little while longer. And I would make it work. And you know, and we grew to a team of 30. And then we grew to a team of 30. And that it was like, okay, yeah, we're gonna take you seriously now. Okay. No problem, you know. So it was, it was, it was a growth, right. And then when we moved into spaces of resistance, I find resistance is usually the thing that if you kind of like, it's kind of like hitting your head against a wall constantly. And it's like, Okay, once and then it goes back to the clicking. It's like, why is this so hard? What am I saying, What am I putting out there? Why, you know, what is it and it goes back to, you know, even just like I was, I was struggling with my weight for a long time. And then somebody came into my world and said, try this. But I was also ready. But I was also ready to be held accountable, ready to be talked to, in a way of, you owe this up to yourself, now, get your now get your butt down to the gym and go, you committed you say you want this Now show me? And it's like, Well, okay, so and so sometimes resistance can just be the mindset that goes along with because you don't think you have to do the work, or it just as the right person gets what you get what you said, or they get your body. Because I believe that weight loss, it's not the same. It's not the box thing that works for everybody. And, you know, but, but when you're hitting resistance, it's like you're doing the same thing over and over again, with the same belief pattern, and nothing will ever change. So there are people out there that can help you move through the resistance. And, and there's some times when people say something and go, okay, is this really true? Look at the pattern, look at what's in front of you look at the bank account, look at all of the things like look at all of the things. And but if you feel like there's no out and you're bashing your head against the wall, it's time to probably leave it because and move in a different direction. Right? Because it's, it's otherwise you're going to live this life of just constantly, you know, and you're going to lose everything. Absolutely, you know, so at some point, you've got to stop the bleed, you got to stop the action, you've got to stop and and choose a different way. And so the resistance is there to say, Hold on, talk to the hand, and look at the things that are and look at the things that are going on around you because you have to pivot you have to go you have to move through these spaces. This isn't what you're supposed to be doing. I remember my my first compilation, I was dealing with my I was in my health coaching company and my health coaching company wasn't it was just always hard to get clients. But then now looking back, it was like I wasn't aligned to it. I wasn't aligned to it. I was pushing something that wasn't wasn't my wasn't where I supposed to be. But then as soon as I decided to start into the publishing world, and I did my first compilation, those 23 I had that book filled within two weeks with 23 people. Wow. And it was because it was like, Okay, I need two more people. Two people, two more people. I just want to go, God show me two more people that would love to share their story, or have them come in for the referral. And then boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And it was like, Oh, so this is what it feels like,

oh, what it feels like,

this is what it feels like, Okay, I'm in I like this. I like this feeling. I want more of this. And so, so if I've created so when I talk about creating projects, you know, in order to, you know, move something forward or to create new leads for my company or you know, ask for the referrals or whatever. It looks like if it doesn't come with ease and flow, it's like, you know, I remember the men's book. And the men's book was, it was tough go to Phil. But now it's like Heather seen what you've done. We've seen? Well, you know, and now it's like you want to do men's book? Yeah, we'd love to do men's book. I'm like, I tried doing a men's but oh, I don't remember that. I'm like, what it was all over social media or so I thought it was, but it wasn't. But the right men weren't there. So I think that is the thing. If something isn't filling, if something isn't, leave it, table it for the posit, then go. And now it's like, we probably have enough people. Now we know enough men that probably write in that book in a heartbeat. So they'll know. And they'll pay and they would pay more in the trip to the chapter. And we can create a different different presence for them. Because we're ready to go. Like, we're ready to go in that space. Right? So it's just really recognizing, when you're hitting your head against the wall, do you keep re injuring yourself to a concussion to you'll never recover from or? Sorry, that's the healthcare speaking. But or do you just pause it table it move on to something that feels more aligned? When you're in that space, it clicks?

Yeah. And I think it's really important when when you're really hitting your head, on the wall, or you feeling that resistance, it's I think it's important to really sit back and question things and ask things and reflect and try to dig deep and ask God was this what's going on? Because I think sometimes the reason why people just stay stuck in there is because they are not sitting steady, you know, stepping back and say, Okay, what, what is this? What, why am I having this resistance? What's going on? And then and then be willing to listen, you get my point. Because sometimes when we make up our mind, it's almost like, I don't care, I'm gonna do this, this is the decision, I we don't listen. And then we find ourself in that place where we were pushing so hard, and then we just, we just get pushed back again, and then we'll not like, I have to do this. I don't care what's going on this is it, I'm gonna do it, irrespective of what is gonna, no, no, you don't have to where you, were you getting that resistance step back. And especially when you already know all the people that are really thriving in what they're doing. You step back and say, What is going on? Is there a message in here? Is that something else I should have been doing? Am I missing something? And then we need to just be quiet. And also listen,

exactly. That listening is so key, because my mom says he never listened to me. And I'm like, I've listened. I just chose I didn't agree with you. I heard everything that you've said. And there's just certain things that I've listened on. And then and then she looks at my partner and says, she listens to you. And he's like, yeah, he goes, she does, but not always. And so I'm stubborn, I'm stubborn, because and I've had enough, you know, near universal Smackdowns, to say, maybe there's some validity in that, because I'm not, I'm not 35 anymore. And I'm 53. And, you know, maybe there's some things here that I just really need to encompass. So, you know, so I really look at all aspects and really a different way. But also, it's looking at it from a proactive approach versus a reactive approach. Like when you know, because I have my own condo I live with, I was married for 30 years of my life, and I've lived with people my whole life, it was the first time that I've ever lived on my own. And, you know, and now it's like, okay, what is this? What does this look like, and, you know, you've got the time to do it. And so, and this is where it's like, you know, create that safe space, create that, you know, create that environment where you can just sit and be in it. And it's probably and looking inward and looking. And that's why the power the journaling, the book writing is such a healing process. And I hear it time and time again. People told me I needed to write a book, but you know, but, but I started it just because I wanted to heal. And I said, Will you continue thinking that you need to write the book, and one day that that opportunity will happen for you. And I'm here and you know, but that, but work through the emotion of it, right? Because it'll be the biggest transformation that you ever have. Right? And then if you decide to publish with it, you know, because you want to come from that empowered space, that healed space because you're serving you're serving your reader. And that's the biggest thing about authorship is you're serving a reader you're serving a community you're taking how to take yourself out of it. So the book starts from a healing from it from one perspective, and but it can sometimes come from a For me, it lands up in a very different way. Yeah, then you get there. So it's very amazing.

I remember when I wrote my book, you know, you I published it. And later at one point, I'm like, Ah, maybe is it really great? You know, your question Dustin, did I really do? Did I really? Am I really serving the reader? And then one day, I decided to read my own book. I said, Let me really sit down, really, and read my book. And I read the book, and I'm like, Oh, my goodness, this came from me, like, I was telling my husband like, I'm reading my book. What's the words? There were some things I said in the book, that I said, my husband, all of this came from me. Like, I can't believe it. Like, I couldn't believe my eyes. And I'm like, Oh, my gosh, everybody needs to read my book. Everybody needs to have a copy of my book. And I've ordered copies. And I'm like, I'm gonna give gift. Like you're not because sometimes you write your book. Whether you think you didn't, you didn't give your best. You know, you want that? Did I really? Did I really put me in that? Did I really serve that? Am I really serving the reader? And it's good. And when you have that feeling, and I'm just throwing out this, someone might be listening, and maybe have the same feeling. Go back, get a copy of your own book, sit down and read it. Read it. Yeah. If that book impacts you. Yeah, that is impacting the world. And that was what I did. And because I'm always that person that, you know, I always want to go back and do this perfectly. And always. And when I read my book, I'm like, gosh, I can't believe I will read it. I'll read a sentence or a page. I'm like, I said, all this. I wrote all of this. And it was just amazing. So Heather, what advice will you give someone who is out there listening to you and me feeling stuck? Unsure about? Yeah. How to manifest their dream life, how to magnetize their dream life? What advice will you will you give

reach out to you or me would be the first one. Because sometimes you just need the listening ear. You need someone just to have someone that you can trust to just talk to someone you can trust that's kind of gone before you write, because most people will give you some type of advice. But really, at the end of the day, it's get yourself into a community that can support you, right? There's lots of women's groups out there, um, that conservative or you put yourself in like mind community, even if you feel that you aren't ready to be there, it's okay. Because I didn't feel like I was ready to be in at a women's event either. But it was probably one of the best things that I did was because I, it was because I reached out and went to a woman mission event 10 years ago, that so much changed for me, right? I went to CW n, I went to so many of the wonderful spaces here in our city. And I met so many amazing women who just like were instrumental in leading the way for me. And, and that's really like, get yourself to an event is the first place I would tell people, if you're feeling stuck, you don't like something, put yourself in a space of like, mind you, if you you know, they've gotten themselves unstuck and they can help you, right? If you are in a space where you are looking to change something, look at a life coach, look at a mentor, look at some playzee that's achieved what you would like to, to do, right? And really go in those spaces journal out, get really pen to paper, you know, you know, keep your fingers on a keyboard are good too. But pen to paper, what is it that you want this life to look like for you get clear. And when I say get clear, you know, it's like, you don't have to worry about the how and I know we talk a lot about that. But even like in the book publishing, you know, I can tell people how to how to book their book, How to publish their book all day long. But sometimes it's but there's gonna be other things that happen along that journey that you never thought of. And that's going to allow the how to write and so it's like get into in so that's really the biggest thing is get clear on what you want. And you know, because when I think I sat down, I said, I don't want this. I don't want that. I don't want this again. I'm never doing that. And then well then they're like okay, however what do you want? Mike? I don't know. I can tell you all that. And then yes, but what's the opposite of that? Okay, well, I don't want you know, a person in my world that is mean, well, then I want a great human. You know, I want somebody that can get like, whatever, just get clear. And it's okay. If you don't know how. And if you're sitting at earning, if you're sitting with one client and your business and you want it to be a seven digit, seven digit company, that's okay. I want to create a seven digit company, okay? You know, it's and when you're ready, those things will come, right. And put and just be open to opportunities. If somebody tells you something, like, you know, Grace tells us that we can live a magnetizing life. Well, Grace, how do I go about doing that? Like, what's my first step? Read my book, okay? So, so it's go out, go out and find the information, and then make that path. If there's more books out there today than you could ever then you know, and I mean, I have my top my, my top green ones, right. But learning to love yourself to step into life that you want is really my my space. It's really my jam. It's really do the things that make you feel good. And learning to love yourself and know that your unique wisdom, your unique story, your uniqueness is your absolute asset. And once you start to move in that space, and just claiming and making your voice known, right, if something isn't serving, you tell the other person, this isn't working for me. Well, then what will work for you? Well, I don't know yet. But I can tell you what, my soul is dying. And it's because of this, you know, and just leading with that love space. But you know, getting the help journaling your story, putting yourself into a community of like mind, because you'll never know what you will find when you do those three things. Yeah, I think

that going out there and putting yourself in the community of like mine, I think it's really that's that's how I started. I was never an outgoing person I was, I had a life of her work on church work on church. I remember one day my daughter said to me, Mom, I can tell where you are at every given time of the day. I can tell that when I started my journey, you know, of entrepreneur journey, I decided to get out of my comfort zone. I'm like, I'm not gonna build a business. With this lifestyle. I have to go out I have to meet other women. I have to get to know them. They get to know me. And it's not a one time to you show up at an event one time I expect the magic to happen. They might not remember you, but when you keep going. They see your face. You see their faces. Oh, we met again. Oh, yeah. Hi. And before, you know, you surround yourself with amazing people, amazing women, that you can really start to build and a mentorship. I am a huge fan of mentorship. I still have a mentor, I have coaching, because I you look at it this way. If you want to go to a place you want to go to somewhere for the first time, you've never been there. You need a GPS, you need a map and roadmap. Right? Some people say I'm going to figure this thing out by myself. Yeah, you might eventually get there, but it will cost you so much time, so much pain, so much money. Whereas if you can just go to someone connect with someone who've been where you are going, they'll hold your hand guide you and you'll be there in no time. Exactly. The mentorship, call, get a coach. Mentorship is a big thing. I will always always have a mentor in my life because it's needed. It's worth it. So hey, I told you guys that you are in for something big. I told you I had the one of the most amazing person. So that was Heather Andrews. And you heard her so you can find Heather if you need to publish your book. She's amazing. Heather will take good care of you. He has an amazing coach publishing company. And it was it was it's your girl Chris oh when you can check me out at Providence guide.com. And there is an amazing free gift there for you. Free gift from Grace obey.com Start your journey today. And see you next week for another episode. Bye for now.