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it was a very unique effort, I think in, in, in history really, where a
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whole bunch of random people online got
together and debunked this entire hoax.
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there's hundreds and hundreds
of new pages of stuff which.
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Absolutely unambiguously shows that US
government people, high level officials,
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including the FBI director and the CIA
director were involved in this plot, in,
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in advancing this plot against Trump.
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I couldn't believe it.
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I simply could not believe.
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That's something so obviously false,
so totally laughable, had become this
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ginormous thing, which kind of completely
consumed the presidency and unfortunately
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Russell Newton: Yep.
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Hans: diplomacy and foreign
relations, and it really derailed
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the country in a horrible way.
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Russell Newton: Hello listeners
and welcome back to Voiceover
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Work and Audiobook Sampler.
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Where do you listen today?
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I'm excited and to be honest, a
little bit nervous to have with
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this, uh, author Hans Manka, who has,
uh, written the book, swift Boating
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America exposing the Russiagate Fraud
from the Steele Dossier to the FBI's
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Crossfire Hurricane Investigation.
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a fantastic book.
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Just released, within the last
few months, the audio book just
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released within the last week or so.
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As I look at the dates there,
Hans, you're more than an author.
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why don't you take a few minutes,
introduce yourself, to the listeners, and
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we'll take the conversation from there.
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Hans: Yeah.
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Hi everyone.
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And thanks for that, very kind intro.
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Yeah.
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As you say, I'm, I
guess I'm an author now.
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I used to be.
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But in a different capacity.
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so my background's in law, so
I've done law pretty much my whole
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adult life in some form or another.
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Both university, law firms,
arbitration a different kind of law.
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all the whole spectrum.
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And, it was, probably around 2017, that I
got immersed into this Russiagate thing.
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I was a.
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A full-time law professor at the time,
I had, no, nothing to do with any of
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this stuff, nothing to do with politics,
nothing, just completely doing my thing.
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And, it just, it just was think
we all remember probably when
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that steel dossier came out.
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Russell Newton: sorry for
the interruption there.
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we'll do some editing on that, listeners,
but, we lost some audio for a second.
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Hans, you were in the middle of your,
Leaving from, the law, profession,
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moving into full-time, reporting
really on, on, Russiagate and I guess
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starting there with the, with what
lured you, what interested you in, in
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investigating this and how that proceeded?
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Hans: Like many, I obviously
was fascinated by Trump's win in
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2016, but that, Russiagate was
like far away on the horizon.
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There had been some news reports
here and there, barely noticed about
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something to do with Russia and you, I
wasn't really paying attention and then.
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In early January of 2017, of course,
they, they published a dossier or a
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company called Buzzfeed, published
a dossier, which was supposedly
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the linchpin of the whole thing.
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Trump being a Russian agent.
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I remember I looked at this
thing and I fell off my chair.
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That's how laughable it was.
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it was like as if some
child had written it.
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just on page one, it starts off,
has been, Putin has been, recruiting
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Trump for the past five years
later, it changes to eight years.
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And it's what?
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This is, this guy was a TV celebrity.
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He was a, he has his real estate company.
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What's it got to do with Putin?
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And then it says, it talks about Michelle
Obama that again on the first or second
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page, and it says, Trump hates her.
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And I'm like, eh, that, that's child talk.
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what on earth?
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And so the whole thing
was a complete joke.
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And yet.
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The joke grew bigger and all the media
and everyone was running with it, and
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then they had the special counsel.
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And, I tell that story in, in my book,
but as to, all the things that happened.
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But just going back to what my
own frame of mind was at the
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time, I couldn't believe it.
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I simply could not believe.
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That's something so obviously false,
so totally laughable, had become this
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ginormous thing, which kind of completely
consumed the presidency and unfortunately
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Russell Newton: Yep.
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Hans: diplomacy and foreign
relations, and it really derailed
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the country in a horrible way.
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bit by bit, if there was any kind of
evidence that came out in terms of court
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documents or, messages that were released
under freedom of information laws or
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anything like that, I would jump on that
and start trying to piece apart the lie,
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because at some point I realized they,
they're gonna just keep running with it
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unless we totally debunk this whole thing.
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And eventually we got there and the
book essentially tells that story.
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the perspective of just random
people on the internet who just got
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together, people who never knew each
other, many of them still don't know
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each other in terms of personally
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Russell Newton: Not really.
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Hans: like that.
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it was a very unique effort, I think
in, in, in history really, where a
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whole bunch of random people online got
together and debunked this entire hoax.
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Russell Newton: And the, the,
as you say, the book does tell
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the story and tells it extremely
well, it's very captivating book.
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it's frustrating.
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It's, it's, It just, it really, it,
it kind of makes you mad the way
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things came about and how things
were allowed, or even beyond that
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things were designed to make happen.
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tell us about some of the people
you worked with, because I know they
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had huge parts in discovering names.
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Go crawling social media sites,
taking little clues and redacted
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transcripts, and finding information
really, fascinating ways.
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So some, some intelligent and
resourceful people that you worked
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with in developing part of the story.
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Hans: Absolutely, hugely
resourceful people.
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And, it's just fascinating
even just thinking back about
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how, it all came together and.
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I should start off with some
of these recent revelations,
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which aren't really revelations.
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So the Trump administration, Trump 2.0
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has, released a lot of this
underlying stuff in terms of
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documentation of this hoax.
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And, Howard was perpetrated by James
Comey, the FBI Director John Brennan, the
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CIA director, and all that kind of stuff.
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And the thing, it's partly nice
that it's out there, but it's
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also partly frustrating because.
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We had unearthed all this ourselves
in one way or another over time.
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So it's weird just seeing the
government has now confirmed that
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everything that we already knew.
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Now, unfortunately, some people, go
around, claiming, that they discovered
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this or that, and they're like the person
who's behind it all day exposed it and
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so on, and, That's really not true.
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and it, I, okay, you always have
these kinds of people, but what annoys
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me about it is be, is that this was
uniquely different in that you didn't
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have a, a Woodward and Bernstein.
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it was like everyone was
a Woodward and Bernstein.
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that's the truth of it.
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That's what really happened here.
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And, so for instance,
we had, Steve McIntyre.
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So I'm, I didn't know Steve before
I had heard his name before.
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and we've become very good friends since.
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And how did that happen?
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Steve is a Canadian mining executive.
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he is got, again, nothing to do with
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Russell Newton: Nothing.
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Hans: this kind stuff,
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Russell Newton: Right.
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Hans: he had some experience with hoaxes
and, his story is a fascinating story in
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and of itself, but, many years ago, 20 or
so years ago, he got a leaflet from the
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government, with the hockey stick on it,
the ca the climate hoax, hockey stick.
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And, being trained, having been
trained in math and that kinda stuff,
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he was like, something's not right.
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So then he dug into where did
that hockey stick come from?
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And he found out this and that
university, this and that study.
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And then he just started asking
for the data because he wanted
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to do the math on it on his own.
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then everyone shut their doors
and they put up their walls and
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said, no, you can't have the data.
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And then the whole thing
escalated and escalated.
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And eventually he actually got some,
very incriminating emails on his blog.
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To this day, he doesn't
know where they came from.
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Someone posted in there that
totally exposed the climate hook.
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I know I'm digressing.
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What I'm trying to say is
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Russell Newton: No, not at all.
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Hans: you had this guy who was already
famous in his own right, in that sphere
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for having debunked the, the climate hoax.
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And by the way, he did that
before these, things were sent
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on his, or posted to his blog.
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So he had, published a paper, I think
in 2006 where he totally debunked the
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whole thing, the whole hockey stick.
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So that's him.
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That's the guy.
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Russell Newton: Wow.
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Okay.
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Hans: familiar with the
name, but that was it.
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And then I saw on Twitter that this
guy was asking some of the similar
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questions, or in fact, some of the
same questions I was asking in terms
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of Russiagate many years later.
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So 20 17, 18.
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I just reached out to him.
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I had no idea he'd reply or whatever.
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You just try your luck.
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and he replied.
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And as it so happens, I was teaching,
very near to where he lives.
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it was just total coincidence.
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And I think it was the next
day or so we, we met in person,
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Russell Newton: Wow.
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Hans: we probably spent five hours or so.
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Just talking about Russiagate.
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It was the, probably the first
time I'd actually talked to a real
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human being in person about it
before that was just online and
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things just took off from there.
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And, so as as I described in the
book, Steve is a very important part
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of this, but there's many others too.
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there's one guy called,
going by a fool, Nelson.
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he's a guy who is.
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Extremely, intuitive in
figuring these things out.
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Like for instance, you have these
redactions, so you get the gov, the
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government gives you these documents, and
then half of the stuff is just redacted,
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so you don't actually know what it says.
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He just has this knack for.
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figuring out things and then seeing
the bigger picture, and then being
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able to connect all these dots.
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he'd be like an amazing,
detective investigator.
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if that was his day job,
which, I can say it is not.
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another guy goes by the
name of Walker Fire.
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again,
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Russell Newton: a fire.
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Hans: hugely intuitive, but
also just hugely brilliant.
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for instance, with these redactions.
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He can tell you how many letters
are behind there, or if redact it
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a hundred percent properly, like a
little bit of ink is sticking out
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at the top on the side or wherever.
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He'll tell you that's
an H and s or whatever.
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I will, I confess, I can't do that.
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But, everyone brought,
amazing talents, to the table.
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it was really a group effort and probably
the most important thing the group did
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was identify the so so-called main source,
or whom they call primary Subsource.
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the guy responsible for everything
like the Trumpy tapes and the
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fact that Trump and Putin had this
collaboration or collusion, the
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fact that they had this, secret
communications channel, the fact that
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they've been colluding for eight years.
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every single story that you can.
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Think of in terms of Russiagate,
it all traces back to this one guy.
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But the FBI was hiding him.
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The US government was hiding him.
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The obviously the Clinton
people who had come up with
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the hoax that were hiding him.
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Everyone was hiding him.
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And we as a group said, no, we're
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We're gonna try find out anything we can.
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We got bits of, data from people's books.
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So some people would write a book on
the government side, to make money.
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some people on the Clinton
campaign wrote books.
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Bits and pieces came out of that.
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There were some, people, who, in
government who were trying to get
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things out, like text messages
or whatever, and it, it was just.
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tiny pieces of data.
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the whole story is told in the books.
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by not me, some other guy.
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but he's a good guy, talk
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he we had all these puzzle pieces and
then, so this guy comes up and says, yep.
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that's, that must be him.
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And he, I explained in the book how
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that this Super Source was a guy
called Igor Dan Chenko, a Russian guy
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who didn't live in Russia and had no
access to any of this information.
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was and the fact that he had no access
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to any information and he was just a
joker really, it was very eye-opening.
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Our eyes were already wide open, but
still, it was just how can you run
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such a massive hoax that goes on for so
long that sabotages diplomacy, foreign
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relations, US politics in general
completely, eaten up by this hoax.
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it all traces back to someone
who knew nothing about anything.
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And anyway, identifying that guy, finding
out his name, that's what our group did.
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And, I did many others I could name,
but, those are some, off the top
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of my head who were part of that.
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Russell Newton: Yes.
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Thank you for that.
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it's interesting in the book, the cast
of characters that are included in this
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book everywhere from some of the most
intelligent and influential people in
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the world, to some of the more scheming.
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people that are maybe kind of in the
middle of it, that were looking for
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ways to, to accomplish something, but
really even down to kind of innocent
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bystanders who got named as being part
or, and I forgot the name of, there's a
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Russian female that was referenced as a.
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A girlfriend of somebody and she
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and a lot of these people that were
reportedly had Russian and Putin
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information that ever lived in Russia,
were nowhere near Moscow, had no political
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influences, so people getting dragged
in that really had nothing to do with
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it except for a Russian sounding name,
and, and probably spoke Russian, maybe
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maybe traveled to Russia a time or two.
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Hans: Yeah, that's right.
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Olga, Poland Sky is just a.
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Russell Newton: you.
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Hans: student in London and
just got dragged into it.
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the most egregious example is
probably that of Sergei Milian.
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Russell Newton: Hmm.
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Hans: he has nothing to do with Russia.
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He's from Belarus, but he came to, the US
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late teens, something like that, to study.
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he became an American.
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And, he built a business, a successful
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But his Achilles heel, not his fault in
any way is, was his success because he
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had one sold Trump apartments in, Fort
Lauderdale, or near Fort Lauderdale.
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And, He because of that, there
were photos of him with Trump.
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of course, if you're a
realtor and you are selling
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Russell Newton: Absolutely.
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Hans: you've shaken the guy's hand
and so on, it's, that's a cool thing.
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You want to advertise that fact.
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And, but unfortunately, they
turned that against him, by
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just, they just framed him.
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They just smeared him.
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They said, here we have a guy whom
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he has a Russian sounding name.
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He had something to do with Trump,
and we're just gonna say he's
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the source for all this stuff.
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They said he was so they that this
Igor Dan Chenko that we just talked
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about, he then claimed he had gotten
all his information from Serge Milian.
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Dan Chenko or the Clinton campaign
or whoever told 'em to make
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stuff up just made it all up.
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Everything was totally made up.
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But because they needed like a real human
being, being the source, they just picked
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out this poor guy, Sergey Milian, and
they said, They did it to others as well.
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there's another Russian
lady called Erlana Kova.
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They did it to her as well.
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But Milana always come back to,
because it's like the most extreme
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example you could ever think of.
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A guy who's just doing
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It's got nothing to do with anything.
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Suddenly they say, you're the guy who
told us about, all this collusion.
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And you're the one who told us about,
Trump and, Putin having a secret
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communications channel, and you
told us about the P tape and so all
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the things that are under dossier
supposedly, go back to Serge million.
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Of course, none of them do.
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They were all just made up.
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Russell Newton: And
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it was, there's so many names and I, I.
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Obviously read the book.
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it's different, you know, when
you narrate a book, it's not like
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you're reading for comprehension.
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You can't go back and, you can,
but it really affects the process.
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You go back and say,
what was that paragraph?
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To make sure I have all the names right.
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So forgive me when I misquote or if
I have some of the details wrong.
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But, this, min, did he even meet with,
Dan Chenko or, or Steele or any of the
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appropriate people or was that was there
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Hans: didn't
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Russell Newton: Exactly.
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Thank you.
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Hans: He had no contact,
just nothing whatsoever.
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it's as if they just picked the guy
out of the phone book, and said,
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okay, he's gonna be our patsy.
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And they just ran with that.
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they.
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Russell Newton: really scary.
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Hans: It is now.
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In fact, the reason why we
were able to announce that it
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was Igor Dan Chenko for sure.
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Once we had put all these puzzle
pieces together, we still didn't want
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to go public unless we actually a
hundred percent knew, is we asked,
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Sergey Milian, Hey Sergei, have you
ever come across a guy called Igor?
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Dan Chenko was, no, never heard that name.
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then we asked him, and search your inbox.
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Just search all your
old emails or whatever.
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And he found some emails from 2016 where
this guy, Dan Chenko had, tried to set
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up a meeting and, He got a lot of emails.
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He just ignored it.
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In fact, he said in retrospect, there was
something in, in the, in, in the first
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email that just immediately stood out
as being just so wrong, so bad that he
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just completely, just totally ignored it.
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which was that?
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and Chenko asked him for, to meet, like
he just made up some pretense about we
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gotta discuss business and over a beer.
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And Sergei was like, no serious person.
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No person who's ever done actual
business deals is gonna cold call someone
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and say, Hey, let's go and meet for
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Russell Newton: Right.
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Hans: just doesn't happen.
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So Sergei, very astutely, just ignored it.
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Totally forgot about it.
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Even during the time when we were
trying to find Dan Chenko and even
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when he was being targeted and so on.
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It never occurred to him that this one
email out of, thousands was the guy that,
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that, this was the guy who framed him.
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he had no idea, but it was good for
us because, once we knew that this guy
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had sent him this unsolicited email,
we knew, okay, we got the name right.
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That is the.
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Russell Newton: Fascinating.
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And just to be clear for our listeners,
you have spoken of minion, you've
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spoken with a lot of the primary
characters in the book and the,
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you say you, you have his emails.
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I mean, you have like the source
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These are not, things that you.
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You know, have rumors about, but the
actual source verified, versions of all
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these conversations and the unanswered
emails and so forth, which I find, really
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quite a piece of investigative work.
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Hans: I think, I've written books
before, but they're all academic.
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So everything I've ever written, or.
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Written before this was academic.
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So of course you have to follow, a
certain convention, a certain procedure,
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so you have to footnote everything.
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you cannot say, you cannot make any
kind of factual claim of any kind
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without saying where it came from.
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it's, to, to just fiction authors
or even nonfiction authors
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who are not trained in that.
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They just, if it's a very obvious
fact, why would you wanna do that?
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Why would you wanna do that at all?
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it just seems so, so weird.
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But in a way it's how I of programmed.
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everything had to be footnoted,
everything had to be checked,
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everything had to be confirmed.
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And, we ended up with something like 650
or so, something like that, footnotes,
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which, at the time, and I have to say,
when I wrote it, this, we didn't know that
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President Trump was gonna get reelected.
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We didn't know that at
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Russell Newton: Right.
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Hans: the book came out in October.
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2024.
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it was partly intended as a, As as
memorializing what actually happened.
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So that, let's say it all goes bad.
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And, the, we never have this full
exposure that at least there is a record
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of what actually happened where people
in 20, 25 years or whatever from now
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can go back and say, Hey, There's this
document, everything is linked, and so
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on and so forth, and retrace our steps.
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now I guess we, that part is less
important because we have the government
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that recently came out with a lot of
this stuff and confirmed all this stuff.
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Russell Newton: And what you said
at the beginning of that answer,
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draws me back to something we spoke
about toward the top of the podcast.
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you say every writer should have that.
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as a part of their process, putting their
footnotes, documenting and, and proving,
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you know, with the source material.
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Of course not everybody does.
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Hans: Yeah, that's true.
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look, I don't think, I think
footnotes can be a distraction.
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I'm not, personally, I have to
admit, if I read a book, I'm
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not necessarily always looking
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Russell Newton: not cross
checking all those things.
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Hans: For there not to
be any, that's fine.
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But a minimum, and this doesn't
really, as you say, doesn't
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really happen much anymore.
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a lot of stuff is accepted as
nonfiction when there's just simply
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no proof that it is nonfiction.
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a lot of these characters
like, the Steele Dossier.
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I don't even wanna call him originator,
the sort of, the guy who lent the,
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his name Christopher Steele to the
Steele Dossier, he wrote a book.
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it's just all made up stuff.
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And, all these other characters
even talked about how the Steele
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dossier, how that all came about.
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we talked about, we started at
the end of the chain with Milian,
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the fake source, and then the
next guy along was Igor Chenko.
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the Russian who supposedly.
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Got all this stuff out of Milian.
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And then the next one along was
Christopher Steele, who had been
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commissioned to write this thing.
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again, just all made up and then everyone
used the next guy along as their patsy.
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So Steele said, oh, I don't
know anything about anything
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because it's Chenko told me.
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And Chenko said, oh, I don't
know anything Milian told me.
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And then, one further up the
food chain from Steel was,
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a group called Fusion, GPS.
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these are political operatives in
Washington dc, former Wall Street Journal,
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journalists, and they wrote a book.
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And again, I'm like, no, I don't
believe anything you say because
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there are no primary sources here.
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Why should I believe what you say?
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And of course some of the
in, in government people like
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John Brennan wrote a book.
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James Comey wrote a book.
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James Comey wrote several books and
yeah, it is a problem when people
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write books and the, supposedly
these books are, nonfiction, but
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there's no way to prove that.
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And so in a way, you you do need
the footnotes unless you have,
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total trust in the author that
they're not gonna lie to you.
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Russell Newton: So you're
working your way up the chain
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from, minion, up to, steel who.
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Since he was a British, since he
worked for MI six, he's suddenly a
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James Bond figure, which that because
of its Hollywood esque sounding
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name, brings some credibility
to a lot of people, fusion GPS.
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And then once you get to
Fusion, you're real close to
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the, Clinton campaign itself.
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00:21:48,174 --> 00:21:48,774
Is that correct?
469
00:21:48,965 --> 00:21:50,615
Hans: Yeah, but they,
there's still two layers.
470
00:21:50,615 --> 00:21:51,455
So then you have
471
00:21:51,755 --> 00:21:52,569
Russell Newton: Still two layers.
472
00:21:52,745 --> 00:21:55,415
Hans: called Perkins Coy, and a
lot of people have heard, of course
473
00:21:55,415 --> 00:21:59,120
about of, mark Elias, who was the
head honcho there at the time.
474
00:21:59,450 --> 00:22:02,480
And he had his sidekick, a guy
called Michael Sussman, and they
475
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,770
were the Clinton campaign lawyers.
476
00:22:04,185 --> 00:22:06,225
But they were also in this law firm.
477
00:22:06,975 --> 00:22:10,785
so anything they did, they could just
claim legal privilege or we're not
478
00:22:10,785 --> 00:22:13,035
gonna give any information on anything.
479
00:22:13,245 --> 00:22:17,395
So when they hired, fusion GPS kinda
one further down on the food chain,
480
00:22:17,665 --> 00:22:20,655
They could just disavow because they
could just say, we're a law firm.
481
00:22:20,975 --> 00:22:25,055
and in fact they billed it as legal
services, which obviously it was not.
482
00:22:25,055 --> 00:22:27,545
And later on they were
fined many years later.
483
00:22:27,545 --> 00:22:29,480
But it's just like a sort
of a slap on the wrist.
484
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,760
they had to pay a fine
for, mislabeling that item.
485
00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:36,330
And then one further up from law firm,
of course, is the Clinton campaign,
486
00:22:36,330 --> 00:22:38,075
but I'd say the Clinton campaign isn't.
487
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,850
Hillary Clinton herself, yet
that's one further step because
488
00:22:41,954 --> 00:22:42,554
Russell Newton: Another step.
489
00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:43,890
Hans: these are just my campaign people.
490
00:22:43,890 --> 00:22:45,510
I don't know what they
were doing and so on.
491
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,520
So I dunno, we, where are we?
492
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,320
Like 7, 7, 8 levels
493
00:22:49,474 --> 00:22:49,949
Russell Newton: At least.
494
00:22:49,949 --> 00:22:50,189
Yeah.
495
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,850
Hans: So that, that's why it's so hard
to get these people, get Hillary Clinton
496
00:22:54,850 --> 00:22:59,660
for what she did here because, as I
just said, everyone, she can claim eight
497
00:22:59,660 --> 00:23:01,700
layers of deniability further down.
498
00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:02,605
it's more difficult to do that.
499
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:06,934
Russell Newton: And it's funny on if
you come back at the other way from it.
500
00:23:07,654 --> 00:23:10,994
You take, characters in the book
like Carter Page or Papadopoulos,
501
00:23:11,234 --> 00:23:15,734
who are many steps removed from
Trump, but a rumor about them
502
00:23:15,734 --> 00:23:17,144
is attributed directly to Trump.
503
00:23:17,744 --> 00:23:23,204
Everything, you know, Hillary's level,
shield, and I, whatever the top is, you
504
00:23:23,204 --> 00:23:26,174
know, those label all shield somebody
and they could say, they said it, they
505
00:23:26,174 --> 00:23:27,494
said, and pointed it down the line.
506
00:23:28,064 --> 00:23:31,544
But when you're coming from the media, if
Carter Page said something, that's a quote
507
00:23:31,544 --> 00:23:33,260
from Trump is how they wanna present it.
508
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,630
Hans: That is such a good point.
509
00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:38,360
I think I might be mistaken,
Matt, I think Carter Page has
510
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:39,860
never, ever met Donald Trump.
511
00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:41,570
certainly not during the campaign.
512
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:45,080
They had this one meeting where he
was not in attendance and that was it.
513
00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:49,040
and George Papadopoulos met him
exactly once, but not one-on-one
514
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,510
or whatever at a, in a big room.
515
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:51,290
At a big table.
516
00:23:51,439 --> 00:23:51,699
Russell Newton: right.
517
00:23:52,670 --> 00:23:53,625
Hans: and you're so right that.
518
00:23:54,165 --> 00:23:56,205
the media uses this one.
519
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:59,925
There, there was a photo of that
table where there's Papadopoulos
520
00:23:59,925 --> 00:24:01,995
somewhere at the end, and then Trump
is on the other end, and there's
521
00:24:01,995 --> 00:24:03,195
all these other people there.
522
00:24:03,585 --> 00:24:07,175
But, supposedly Papadopoulos is like
Trump's best friend and, they're
523
00:24:07,205 --> 00:24:08,915
coordinating everything and so on.
524
00:24:08,915 --> 00:24:13,235
It is just, it's absolutely laughable,
but that's what they got away with.
525
00:24:14,214 --> 00:24:17,724
Russell Newton: Armenian who is
even further removed with a, a real
526
00:24:17,724 --> 00:24:21,384
estate dealing with 10 or 15 years
prior or five, 10 years prior.
527
00:24:21,699 --> 00:24:23,409
Just happened to be in
a, in a, in a picture.
528
00:24:23,409 --> 00:24:23,709
Yeah.
529
00:24:23,769 --> 00:24:27,569
It, the selective editing and
selective reporting that, mainstream
530
00:24:27,569 --> 00:24:33,789
press, does is, is really misleading
and, and probably purposely so,
531
00:24:34,989 --> 00:24:39,199
Hans: Absolutely, they'll always revert
back to, a position where they don't
532
00:24:39,199 --> 00:24:41,239
have to give up the overall narrative.
533
00:24:41,289 --> 00:24:43,869
as you say, okay, maybe there
was no collusion, but there was
534
00:24:43,869 --> 00:24:47,389
definitely interference and,
And that's where we are now.
535
00:24:47,689 --> 00:24:51,599
And the, there are, a few things
that they grasp and hold onto.
536
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:56,929
I'd say probably the most important
one is this, the story that the Russian
537
00:24:56,929 --> 00:25:01,284
government hacked the Democratic
National Committee June of 20.
538
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:03,239
16.
539
00:25:03,659 --> 00:25:06,479
supposedly the hacking started,
this, whatever happened
540
00:25:06,479 --> 00:25:09,209
there, earlier in April, may.
541
00:25:09,539 --> 00:25:13,279
But, anyway, in June of 2016 is when
it supposed, when the Washington
542
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,629
Post reported about it, I write
about this in the book and, then,
543
00:25:16,629 --> 00:25:20,019
we were off to the races in terms
of the Russian government did this.
544
00:25:20,439 --> 00:25:22,839
To this day, there is no evidence.
545
00:25:23,414 --> 00:25:24,464
Absolutely no evidence.
546
00:25:24,464 --> 00:25:26,804
No evidence has ever been
presented that actually happened.
547
00:25:27,194 --> 00:25:28,624
And they run with the narrative.
548
00:25:28,624 --> 00:25:29,584
They stick with the narrative.
549
00:25:29,584 --> 00:25:33,004
So they say, maybe the part about
Trump wasn't true, but the Russians did
550
00:25:33,004 --> 00:25:34,984
that and they did that to help Trump.
551
00:25:34,984 --> 00:25:36,604
They're still trying
to hold onto that part.
552
00:25:36,604 --> 00:25:39,214
So as these things fall
apart, I think the.
553
00:25:39,644 --> 00:25:43,174
The one that will eventually fall apart
will be, and has been the whole of this
554
00:25:43,174 --> 00:25:47,824
year basically is the idea that they
did it to help Trump, which again, I
555
00:25:47,824 --> 00:25:48,904
talk about this in the book as well.
556
00:25:48,904 --> 00:25:50,254
It is just so ludicrous.
557
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:55,009
No one in Moscow really thought
that Trump was gonna be president.
558
00:25:55,009 --> 00:25:58,039
Maybe there was a 10% chance
or something like that.
559
00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:59,829
Hillary was way ahead in the polls.
560
00:25:59,879 --> 00:26:03,069
people just need to go
back to October of 2016.
561
00:26:03,069 --> 00:26:06,889
Just go back in your own minds as to,
this Access Hollywood tape that came out
562
00:26:07,073 --> 00:26:07,493
Russell Newton: Mm-hmm.
563
00:26:07,609 --> 00:26:09,959
Hans: said all these, misogynistic things.
564
00:26:10,689 --> 00:26:14,799
The media wa was completely apoplectic,
obviously, as they always are.
565
00:26:14,979 --> 00:26:17,709
But the thing is, Hillary was
way ahead in the polls and
566
00:26:17,949 --> 00:26:20,029
jumped on that weekend as well.
567
00:26:20,029 --> 00:26:22,229
And everyone was saying Trump is done.
568
00:26:22,229 --> 00:26:22,859
Trump is buried.
569
00:26:23,184 --> 00:26:25,379
Even his own party, they were discussing.
570
00:26:25,754 --> 00:26:28,464
Getting rid of him and having him
replaced with Pence or whoever.
571
00:26:28,464 --> 00:26:29,754
many people were talking about that.
572
00:26:29,964 --> 00:26:34,494
So the idea that somehow in Moscow
there were people who knew that none
573
00:26:34,494 --> 00:26:38,184
of this would come, true and instead,
Trump would emerge victorious.
574
00:26:38,234 --> 00:26:43,274
how could Putin influence whether Hillary
was gonna campaign in Michigan or not?
575
00:26:43,334 --> 00:26:46,154
Which he decided not to, or
Wisconsin, or which he decided not to.
576
00:26:46,204 --> 00:26:47,224
it's got nothing to do with Putin.
577
00:26:47,224 --> 00:26:50,704
So the idea that Putin had some
special insight is just so ludicrous.
578
00:26:50,814 --> 00:26:55,014
Obviously he didn't do it to, if he did
do anything, he didn't do it to help,
579
00:26:55,084 --> 00:26:59,004
Trump win because that was just such a
long shot that it, if anything, and this
580
00:26:59,004 --> 00:27:02,844
is some of the new information that's
come out that is actually like new that we
581
00:27:02,964 --> 00:27:06,624
couldn't have uncovered because it's based
on, intel that just wasn't available.
582
00:27:06,894 --> 00:27:10,074
They were actually, if anything,
they were holding back because they
583
00:27:10,074 --> 00:27:14,164
thought, she's gonna be president so
we better have some, dirt or whatever.
584
00:27:14,254 --> 00:27:16,984
That's probably the wrong word, but,
we better have some stories about her,
585
00:27:17,204 --> 00:27:18,644
if and when she becomes president.
586
00:27:18,694 --> 00:27:20,194
I think that's gonna fall by the wayside.
587
00:27:20,194 --> 00:27:23,074
But then we're still gonna probably
be stuck with the, they did something
588
00:27:23,134 --> 00:27:26,649
and the something might be the, or
I think is gonna be the one that
589
00:27:26,649 --> 00:27:30,099
they keep coming back to, which
is the Russia hacked the DNC.
590
00:27:30,099 --> 00:27:31,359
That's, that's the story.
591
00:27:31,389 --> 00:27:33,849
Again, there is no evidence for that.
592
00:27:33,849 --> 00:27:37,629
Now, I don't, I'm not gonna sit here and
tell you Russia did not hack the DSE.
593
00:27:37,659 --> 00:27:38,829
I don't think they did.
594
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:43,239
But what I can say for certain is
there is no evidence that they did.
595
00:27:43,584 --> 00:27:44,484
That's where we stand.
596
00:27:44,484 --> 00:27:48,714
And in fact, anytime that anyone
who said that, that's what happened.
597
00:27:49,104 --> 00:27:52,424
For instance, a company called
CrowdStrike, that did the, the sort
598
00:27:52,424 --> 00:27:56,594
of the IT work for the DNC, they said
in 2016, oh, Russia hacked the DNC.
599
00:27:56,964 --> 00:28:00,444
the CEO of CrowdStrike was later called
a year or two later was called to
600
00:28:00,444 --> 00:28:02,874
Congress to testify about what he knew.
601
00:28:03,174 --> 00:28:04,434
And he said, I don't know anything.
602
00:28:05,124 --> 00:28:08,244
as soon as he was under oath,
it wasn't Russia, or at least
603
00:28:08,244 --> 00:28:09,444
he couldn't say anything at all.
604
00:28:09,624 --> 00:28:10,734
So that's the thing.
605
00:28:11,434 --> 00:28:16,414
Unfortunately, I, it's probably gonna
take a long time to get rid of this in
606
00:28:16,444 --> 00:28:19,954
the broad public's perception altogether,
and we may never get rid of it.
607
00:28:19,954 --> 00:28:24,304
there will be lasting damage in terms
of Russia did something in 2016.
608
00:28:24,424 --> 00:28:27,994
If we just distill it down, down
to those few words, Russia did
609
00:28:27,994 --> 00:28:31,614
something in 2016, we might never,
ever be able to, transcend that.
610
00:28:33,833 --> 00:28:35,783
Russell Newton: And even along those
lines, the same thing we talked
611
00:28:35,783 --> 00:28:37,433
about with the separation before.
612
00:28:37,433 --> 00:28:39,443
Russian hackers did not
mean the Russian government.
613
00:28:39,974 --> 00:28:40,184
Hans: Yeah.
614
00:28:40,283 --> 00:28:42,383
Russell Newton: If they, you know,
if there was just because someone
615
00:28:42,383 --> 00:28:45,743
from Russia might have hacked
something, or Belarus, I should say.
616
00:28:46,043 --> 00:28:49,693
You know, we don't need any real
facts, we just need some allegations.
617
00:28:49,873 --> 00:28:53,053
Some organizations feel that
they can throw out there with
618
00:28:53,053 --> 00:28:54,463
the things that are coming out.
619
00:28:54,463 --> 00:28:59,003
Now, your book, again, the, the things
tsi, Gabbard and, and Cash Patel are,
620
00:28:59,003 --> 00:29:04,253
are putting out into the public maybe
a two-pronged question, and this
621
00:29:04,253 --> 00:29:06,213
draws back on your legal, background.
622
00:29:07,053 --> 00:29:08,403
What do you think?
623
00:29:09,003 --> 00:29:09,933
Well, let's do it the other way.
624
00:29:10,203 --> 00:29:13,443
What do you hope Will, will
come of this as far as,
625
00:29:13,443 --> 00:29:15,063
repercussions for those involved.
626
00:29:15,183 --> 00:29:16,383
And what do you think?
627
00:29:16,383 --> 00:29:19,323
Is it going to make a
splash and then go away?
628
00:29:19,383 --> 00:29:23,533
Will it, will there be some very,
high level people that are taken
629
00:29:23,653 --> 00:29:25,063
to task for what they've done?
630
00:29:26,674 --> 00:29:27,634
Hans: I'm not confident that's
631
00:29:27,668 --> 00:29:27,788
Russell Newton: I.
632
00:29:27,814 --> 00:29:28,088
Hans: happen.
633
00:29:28,144 --> 00:29:33,614
we had some, hope earlier this year
where, they released, as I said, they
634
00:29:33,614 --> 00:29:36,769
released one or two new things and we
touched upon some of them here today, but.
635
00:29:37,249 --> 00:29:40,579
in overall, they just confirmed
what we already knew, but that's
636
00:29:40,579 --> 00:29:43,159
still valuable because you have
the US government confirming
637
00:29:43,309 --> 00:29:44,509
that the whole thing was a hoax.
638
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:45,179
that's a big thing.
639
00:29:45,179 --> 00:29:46,049
That's a big step to
640
00:29:46,113 --> 00:29:46,383
Russell Newton: Right.
641
00:29:46,529 --> 00:29:46,799
Hans: so
642
00:29:46,893 --> 00:29:47,103
Russell Newton: Yeah.
643
00:29:48,309 --> 00:29:51,999
Hans: And so with that came the hope
that the people in the US government
644
00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:55,269
who were responsible for that,
who've now been exposed, and again,
645
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:58,419
this is not just Tulsi Gabbard or
Cash Patel saying it, they actually
646
00:29:58,419 --> 00:30:00,339
released the underlying documents,
647
00:30:00,678 --> 00:30:00,708
Russell Newton: Okay.
648
00:30:01,099 --> 00:30:02,479
Hans: and primary source documents.
649
00:30:02,479 --> 00:30:03,649
It's always the most important one.
650
00:30:03,649 --> 00:30:07,559
The actual, FBI three oh twos, which
is the interview reports or the
651
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,649
actual, intelligence that came out,
verbatim and what, or whatever it is.
652
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:12,879
They released it all.
653
00:30:12,879 --> 00:30:15,249
there's hundreds and hundreds
of new pages of stuff which.
654
00:30:15,729 --> 00:30:21,399
Absolutely unambiguously shows that US
government people, high level officials,
655
00:30:21,399 --> 00:30:25,419
including the FBI director and the CIA
director were involved in this plot, in,
656
00:30:25,419 --> 00:30:27,219
in advancing this plot against Trump.
657
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:29,899
that is, there's incontrovertible
evidence of that.
658
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:32,659
So of course when that happened,
people were like, oh, great,
659
00:30:32,659 --> 00:30:33,619
now we're gonna see arrests.
660
00:30:33,619 --> 00:30:34,699
Now we're gonna see all these things.
661
00:30:34,699 --> 00:30:37,229
And it's been a few months
and we haven't seen anything.
662
00:30:37,884 --> 00:30:42,014
And in fact, recently, in August, a
very important deadline passed, in,
663
00:30:42,019 --> 00:30:45,319
in, unfortunately, in, in the legal
system, or fortunately, there's two
664
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:47,629
sides to this, but there are time limits
665
00:30:48,033 --> 00:30:48,383
Russell Newton: Right.
666
00:30:48,499 --> 00:30:51,169
Hans: new usual time limit for
a federal law is five years.
667
00:30:51,219 --> 00:30:54,459
Five years after something happened,
you can no longer charge someone.
668
00:30:55,013 --> 00:30:55,303
Russell Newton: Okay.
669
00:30:55,603 --> 00:30:57,799
Hans: misconception about this that
some people think, oh, it's five
670
00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:59,179
years after you found out about it.
671
00:30:59,929 --> 00:31:04,129
so the five years would start ticking now,
but unfortunately that's not how it works.
672
00:31:04,339 --> 00:31:06,229
The five years start ticking
from when it happened.
673
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:08,829
Even if you never ever found out about it.
674
00:31:09,099 --> 00:31:12,149
Now, some crimes are not
part of that, time limit.
675
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:15,449
Again, there's all kinds of historic
reasons for why there is a time limit
676
00:31:15,449 --> 00:31:19,199
and why some are covered and some most
are covered and some are not, and so on.
677
00:31:19,469 --> 00:31:23,279
But generally speaking, unfortunately,
the stuff we're talking about here,
678
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,399
and I know people throw out treason and
whatever, but let's just be realistic
679
00:31:26,429 --> 00:31:28,169
in terms of what happened here.
680
00:31:28,429 --> 00:31:31,819
You're pretty much stuck to the
five year time in, in some form.
681
00:31:31,819 --> 00:31:35,419
I know there's nuances and people are
gonna say, but the five years can reset.
682
00:31:35,419 --> 00:31:39,979
And yeah, I know all that, but it's just,
we had a very important five year deadline
683
00:31:39,979 --> 00:31:43,739
that just passed, which was, John Brennan,
the CIA director, had given a very
684
00:31:43,739 --> 00:31:48,019
long interview, to the special counsel
five years ago, full of falsehoods.
685
00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:52,429
That would've been a fantastic, basis
to charge 'em upon, and they just
686
00:31:52,429 --> 00:31:54,079
let that day pass without anything.
687
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:55,999
Now again, some people are gonna say.
688
00:31:56,264 --> 00:31:59,214
it doesn't matter, they're gonna
find something else and yeah, the
689
00:31:59,214 --> 00:32:00,564
hope springs eternal and so on.
690
00:32:00,564 --> 00:32:04,984
But if you let something so important
pass, then that does tell me
691
00:32:04,984 --> 00:32:09,624
that, maybe this is not as real as
serious as some people, hope it is.
692
00:32:09,864 --> 00:32:12,444
The other thing people say, as
I just alluded to, they'll say,
693
00:32:12,474 --> 00:32:13,824
oh, you can reset the clock.
694
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:16,829
Yeah, you can find ways of doing that.
695
00:32:16,859 --> 00:32:20,579
but it just makes things so much
more difficult and it gives the other
696
00:32:20,579 --> 00:32:25,049
side, the defendant so many possible
defenses to getting the case thrown out.
697
00:32:25,049 --> 00:32:27,299
It just makes things
completely complicated.
698
00:32:27,749 --> 00:32:32,999
So go with the easy, straightforward
thing, which is bring the charges within
699
00:32:32,999 --> 00:32:34,829
five years and they fail to do that.
700
00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:39,029
So to answer your question,
I'm very pessimistic that we're
701
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:41,039
gonna see actual accountability.
702
00:32:41,983 --> 00:32:42,823
Russell Newton: Yeah, yeah.
703
00:32:42,883 --> 00:32:44,283
Sadly that's, the way of it.
704
00:32:44,373 --> 00:32:45,273
So many times.
705
00:32:47,013 --> 00:32:51,093
I wanna ask a question, a very general
question from the devil's advocate
706
00:32:51,093 --> 00:32:56,023
side of if we still have listeners
that are not, supportive of your work
707
00:32:56,023 --> 00:32:58,963
or still want to disbelieve your work.
708
00:32:59,503 --> 00:33:02,853
I, I don't know if you've done
many podcasts with, People that
709
00:33:02,973 --> 00:33:06,603
disagree or try to argue the points
with you, but what are some of the
710
00:33:06,941 --> 00:33:10,023
primary things that people use?
711
00:33:10,243 --> 00:33:12,253
if you're willing to share these
or if you want to answer this
712
00:33:12,253 --> 00:33:13,573
question, if not, just say so.
713
00:33:13,793 --> 00:33:16,733
that people use to argue against
the things you brought forth.
714
00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:18,083
Do they accuse you of things?
715
00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:21,563
Do they, do they have other
information they hint toward
716
00:33:21,563 --> 00:33:23,933
or have, will make available?
717
00:33:24,083 --> 00:33:25,433
Just outta curiosity.
718
00:33:25,703 --> 00:33:28,073
Do you have a lot of people that
are pushing back against the
719
00:33:28,073 --> 00:33:28,898
information you're presenting?
720
00:33:30,489 --> 00:33:32,124
Hans: So a couple of points on that.
721
00:33:32,174 --> 00:33:33,374
No, not many.
722
00:33:33,434 --> 00:33:36,544
I, to be honest, I can think of
one group of people right now and
723
00:33:36,544 --> 00:33:37,834
I'll get to them here in a moment.
724
00:33:37,834 --> 00:33:41,334
But in terms of just, broad
audience or whatever, no.
725
00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:42,578
Russell Newton: Okay.
726
00:33:42,954 --> 00:33:46,614
Hans: and again, I think that's probably
because everything is footnoted.
727
00:33:46,614 --> 00:33:47,454
So if,
728
00:33:47,568 --> 00:33:47,788
Russell Newton: Yes.
729
00:33:48,084 --> 00:33:48,804
Hans: that anything is
730
00:33:49,008 --> 00:33:49,038
Russell Newton: Okay.
731
00:33:49,124 --> 00:33:49,659
Hans: just go and.
732
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:51,819
Check out what it says in the footnote.
733
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:54,169
and then I will take you
to the source document.
734
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:58,669
And then you'll see that whatever I
quoted or said or whatever is true.
735
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:59,599
that's actually what happened.
736
00:34:00,019 --> 00:34:04,789
funny because there was a group of
people who were a little bit incredulous.
737
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:08,629
I don't, I hope they don't mind me
saying this about some of the claims.
738
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:12,518
And then they, did come back to me
and wanted me, even though there was
739
00:34:12,518 --> 00:34:14,349
a footnote, they still wanted me to.
740
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,329
Okay, just confirm are you really sure?
741
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:18,228
Is this really true?
742
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:20,974
and that's actually the original editors.
743
00:34:21,724 --> 00:34:22,654
Of the print version.
744
00:34:23,614 --> 00:34:24,543
So when they did
745
00:34:24,658 --> 00:34:25,108
Russell Newton: Oh really?
746
00:34:25,408 --> 00:34:28,654
Hans: original editing round, there was
like, for instance, some of the Hunter
747
00:34:28,654 --> 00:34:30,893
Biden stuff, what he got away with.
748
00:34:31,704 --> 00:34:33,504
some of that is detailed in
the book because there's some
749
00:34:33,504 --> 00:34:36,534
overlap between these Russiagate
and Hunter Biden investigations.
750
00:34:36,534 --> 00:34:40,444
And, there's also some overlap
between the Ukraine situation, Ukraine
751
00:34:40,444 --> 00:34:41,734
impeachment situation, and Russia.
752
00:34:41,734 --> 00:34:45,484
Again, it's all, of the people
involved are the same people over
753
00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:47,103
and you, so you have this overlap.
754
00:34:47,154 --> 00:34:49,914
There, there are parts in the book
where I talk about the Hunter Biden
755
00:34:49,914 --> 00:34:52,524
situation and what he was up to and.
756
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:53,949
I remember that.
757
00:34:53,949 --> 00:34:55,659
I was like, no, that, that
couldn't have happened.
758
00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:55,958
no.
759
00:34:55,958 --> 00:34:57,999
And I was like, are you
really sure that is true?
760
00:34:57,999 --> 00:34:59,289
And it really was.
761
00:34:59,289 --> 00:35:03,099
Or, some of the, the text messages,
the incriminating text messages from
762
00:35:03,189 --> 00:35:07,119
some of these FBI personnel, people
have heard about the obvious ones where
763
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,299
they, talk about, will stop Trump.
764
00:35:09,369 --> 00:35:13,579
Peter struck one of the FBI investigators,
the lead investigator, texted that.
765
00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:17,539
there's also some that maybe have
not been, shared as much in the
766
00:35:17,539 --> 00:35:18,869
media and, people haven't heard.
767
00:35:18,869 --> 00:35:23,579
And then I got some questions on that,
like that's not, did they really say that?
768
00:35:23,909 --> 00:35:28,139
Another big one, that's been, that
actually was confirmed this year by, Tulsi
769
00:35:28,139 --> 00:35:29,699
Gabbard, but that's already in the book.
770
00:35:29,699 --> 00:35:34,169
That's all in the book is the one where
all these people that, by all these
771
00:35:34,169 --> 00:35:38,809
people, President Obama, John Brennan,
CIH Chief, James Comey, Peter Struck,
772
00:35:38,809 --> 00:35:42,929
whom I just mentioned, all these big hon
shows, leading the charge against Trump.
773
00:35:43,229 --> 00:35:46,589
They actually knew that this
was a clin Hillary Clinton
774
00:35:46,589 --> 00:35:47,764
campaign hoax the whole thing.
775
00:35:48,374 --> 00:35:50,774
They knew that at the time, back in 2016.
776
00:35:51,144 --> 00:35:53,814
again, I described in the
book Why and how and so on.
777
00:35:54,084 --> 00:35:58,074
And, anyway, I know I got, I remember
I got, several questions on that one.
778
00:35:58,074 --> 00:35:59,364
no, they couldn't have known.
779
00:35:59,364 --> 00:36:00,114
That's not possible.
780
00:36:00,114 --> 00:36:00,854
And they did know.
781
00:36:01,064 --> 00:36:03,694
Yeah, that, that's it's funny, isn't
it, that the people who are supposed to,
782
00:36:04,044 --> 00:36:07,684
work with you on the book, they're, they
were the ones who were, the most kind of,
783
00:36:07,734 --> 00:36:09,294
incredulous about some of these claims.
784
00:36:09,294 --> 00:36:10,434
But, everything checked out.
785
00:36:10,804 --> 00:36:13,714
the other thing I should mention here,
it's to do with your question is.
786
00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:17,469
supporters or supporters
of Trump generally.
787
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,079
some people are not happy with the title
or have questions about the title, so
788
00:36:21,259 --> 00:36:25,109
that's probably the, if there's negative
comments, it's usually about the title,
789
00:36:25,529 --> 00:36:25,649
Russell Newton: Hmm.
790
00:36:25,965 --> 00:36:28,995
Hans: of course people remember
swift boating as something
791
00:36:29,044 --> 00:36:29,344
Russell Newton: Right.
792
00:36:29,644 --> 00:36:29,925
Hans: done.
793
00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:35,040
to, John Kerry in the 2004
presidential campaign, not by his
794
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,620
opponent, president Bush, 43, but
by a group of ve Vietnam veterans.
795
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:45,060
And what they accused, Kerry
of is, basically, in Vietnam.
796
00:36:45,065 --> 00:36:50,005
he was a commander of a swift boat and,
he got some purple hearts and things
797
00:36:50,005 --> 00:36:54,465
like that, and they said there was, his
stories weren't true and, getting, a lot
798
00:36:54,465 --> 00:36:57,245
of detail to what happened back in, 2004.
799
00:36:57,575 --> 00:37:01,025
And I guess some of it stuck because,
he came back from Vietnam and he
800
00:37:01,025 --> 00:37:03,185
was a big anti-Vietnam protestor.
801
00:37:03,185 --> 00:37:06,295
He was one of the leaders and
so they, they made that stick.
802
00:37:06,295 --> 00:37:08,185
Now, personally, I never.
803
00:37:08,625 --> 00:37:11,824
I don't know what, which part of
that is true or not, or whatever,
804
00:37:12,124 --> 00:37:12,284
Russell Newton: Okay.
805
00:37:12,584 --> 00:37:15,285
Hans: as far as John Kerry is
concerned, just my personal view is.
806
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,340
actually went there, he actually
got shot at, so whatever you think
807
00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:23,460
of the guy that actually happened,
he was a commander on a swift boat.
808
00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:25,680
He was in these, I've been
to Vietnam many times.
809
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,640
I've been to those areas.
810
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:28,350
Those are horrific areas.
811
00:37:28,350 --> 00:37:30,840
If you're on a tiny little boat and
you're being shot at, that's no fun.
812
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,650
So he did that.
813
00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:33,810
can hate the guy or not, or whatever.
814
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,710
That's what actually happened.
815
00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:38,520
But the point about the ni, the name
Swift boating and because he was the
816
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,950
swift boat, commander back there is.
817
00:37:41,545 --> 00:37:45,890
the, I'm the, I didn't make it
into a kind of a negative thing.
818
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:49,850
It's the Hillary Clinton campaign
themselves who did that because they
819
00:37:49,850 --> 00:37:55,580
called their campaign against Trump,
the 2016 campaign or smear, job against
820
00:37:55,580 --> 00:38:01,040
Trump to, smear Trump as, as, as
Putin's puppet, as for Russia collusion.
821
00:38:01,485 --> 00:38:05,635
Just in as, as simple as possible, the
Swift Build project, the Clinton campaign
822
00:38:05,635 --> 00:38:10,595
Swift Build project, which they themselves
called their own swift build project, to
823
00:38:10,595 --> 00:38:13,205
smear Trump as, colluding with Russia.
824
00:38:13,895 --> 00:38:15,065
They came up with that.
825
00:38:15,095 --> 00:38:18,455
So obviously they were using the
word in a sense of we're gonna
826
00:38:18,455 --> 00:38:24,095
come up with this story that smears
Trump, and I think they were.
827
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,980
Thinking back to 2004, where they thought,
Hey, our buddy John Kerry, he got smeared
828
00:38:30,070 --> 00:38:31,990
and now we're gonna do it to, to Trump.
829
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:36,720
So to, in my view, I see where people
say, okay, swift building is something
830
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,630
that, Kerry deserved it or whatever.
831
00:38:38,685 --> 00:38:41,295
I know, I don't necessarily
agree, but I see where these
832
00:38:41,295 --> 00:38:43,845
people are coming from, it's the.
833
00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:47,220
Clinton campaign who
themselves called it that.
834
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:48,000
They admitted it.
835
00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:49,350
They admitted that it's a smear.
836
00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:54,900
So the what's behind the name
is that it's by, by design.
837
00:38:55,055 --> 00:38:58,865
a fabrication by design, A plot
against Trump, by the Clinton
838
00:38:58,865 --> 00:39:00,005
people who called it that.
839
00:39:00,005 --> 00:39:01,505
It's, they came up with the name.
840
00:39:01,925 --> 00:39:05,015
Now the working title was
actually Swift boating Trump.
841
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:09,400
But then somewhere along the line,
somewhere in chapter 8, 9, 10,
842
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,260
whatever, I was like, you know what?
843
00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:12,910
This is really much bigger
844
00:39:12,954 --> 00:39:13,669
Russell Newton: It's bigger than that.
845
00:39:13,780 --> 00:39:14,050
Hans: is,
846
00:39:14,309 --> 00:39:14,389
Russell Newton: Hmm.
847
00:39:14,530 --> 00:39:16,690
Hans: Swift voted America, not just Trump.
848
00:39:16,690 --> 00:39:18,370
So then that the title changed.
849
00:39:19,944 --> 00:39:21,084
Russell Newton: And it is fascinating,
850
00:39:21,334 --> 00:39:21,364
Hans: I.
851
00:39:22,638 --> 00:39:26,598
Russell Newton: when you look at it in
the light of why you changed the title.
852
00:39:27,253 --> 00:39:34,183
Just the, the possibility of the real
long-term damage on a global scale
853
00:39:34,663 --> 00:39:39,163
just because of now, difficulties with
Russia and distrust and so many things.
854
00:39:39,213 --> 00:39:42,624
you know, we, we blame Russia for
so long about these nebulous things
855
00:39:43,413 --> 00:39:49,628
and diplomacy falls apart and things
change and, it, it really is sobering.
856
00:39:50,048 --> 00:39:51,398
let me ask you one last question.
857
00:39:51,918 --> 00:39:55,808
this is a podcast in, in
my, early stages of podcast.
858
00:39:55,808 --> 00:39:58,358
Of course, you read and they say,
always finish out your podcast
859
00:39:58,358 --> 00:40:01,748
with a call to action, you know, or
have your call to action in there.
860
00:40:01,988 --> 00:40:06,728
And when I read the book, I find a
couple of personal things that I think
861
00:40:06,728 --> 00:40:09,608
are important, but I'd like to, I,
I'm gonna throw these out there, but
862
00:40:09,818 --> 00:40:13,598
if you have calls to action what you
would like people to do because of
863
00:40:13,598 --> 00:40:17,138
this book, or if there is actions they
wanna take, I mean, when I read it, I
864
00:40:17,138 --> 00:40:19,328
realize I need to think critically about.
865
00:40:19,673 --> 00:40:25,583
The material that I take in when I
read a headline or see an article, you
866
00:40:25,583 --> 00:40:30,233
know, if, if people early on in this
process had pushed back and said, what's
867
00:40:30,233 --> 00:40:33,803
real, what's factual things would've
turned out differently, most likely.
868
00:40:34,193 --> 00:40:36,743
you know, so that, that's one thing
I see is that we need to pay more
869
00:40:36,743 --> 00:40:41,393
attention to what's being reported to
us as consumers and make sure that what
870
00:40:41,393 --> 00:40:43,373
we're believing is actually believable.
871
00:40:43,778 --> 00:40:44,978
what other do you have?
872
00:40:44,978 --> 00:40:46,208
Other, do you agree with that?
873
00:40:46,208 --> 00:40:48,818
For one, do you have other calls to
action that you would like people
874
00:40:49,178 --> 00:40:51,068
to implement because of your book?
875
00:40:52,764 --> 00:40:54,674
Hans: Yeah, no, I, I
completely agree with you.
876
00:40:54,674 --> 00:40:55,299
I think we have.
877
00:40:56,204 --> 00:41:00,464
The, I have a broad one, but I also, let
me start off with a very specific one.
878
00:41:00,494 --> 00:41:03,874
I don't know how much, any one person
can do, other than President Trump
879
00:41:03,874 --> 00:41:09,894
himself, but, maybe broadly something
can be done and that is that there are
880
00:41:09,894 --> 00:41:13,074
still people, victims out of this thing.
881
00:41:13,074 --> 00:41:15,894
We talked about Serge million, we
talked about many of these other people.
882
00:41:16,134 --> 00:41:20,824
There are still people still currently,
dealing with the fallout from this.
883
00:41:21,299 --> 00:41:24,959
there's one guy, who, we haven't talked
about, general Flynn, for instance.
884
00:41:24,959 --> 00:41:25,439
he,
885
00:41:25,548 --> 00:41:26,339
Russell Newton: Hmm, that's right.
886
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:27,479
Hans: story upon himself.
887
00:41:27,479 --> 00:41:30,559
He actually has a great new movie
out, so people can watch that
888
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,119
and see what that story is about.
889
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:36,479
I talk about his story in a book and
detail that as well, but he had a client
890
00:41:36,479 --> 00:41:41,879
and the client was, was targeted, by these
Russia collusion hoaxes, simply in order
891
00:41:41,879 --> 00:41:43,949
to get him to say bad stuff about Flynn.
892
00:41:44,564 --> 00:41:49,604
And then they could have used that to get
Flynn to say bad stuff about Trump, and
893
00:41:49,604 --> 00:41:51,404
that client is still under indictment.
894
00:41:52,304 --> 00:41:55,634
Mueller indictment, special Council,
Robert Mueller, the guy who is now,
895
00:41:55,644 --> 00:41:59,334
declared senile and supposedly never ran
anything and the whole thing was a hoax.
896
00:41:59,484 --> 00:42:01,324
they still have, that case going.
897
00:42:01,324 --> 00:42:04,414
They have another case going to do with
what we talked earlier about these, this
898
00:42:04,414 --> 00:42:09,634
DNC hack, which they're using that case
to hold up freedom information and so on.
899
00:42:09,634 --> 00:42:12,344
This is a case against a bunch
of Russians, who you know, again,
900
00:42:12,344 --> 00:42:14,414
there's no evidence that did
anything, but they hold out.
901
00:42:14,414 --> 00:42:16,304
They say, oh, we got an open case here.
902
00:42:16,304 --> 00:42:18,284
Therefore we cannot do freedom
of information and then
903
00:42:18,284 --> 00:42:19,209
we cannot find out stuff.
904
00:42:20,009 --> 00:42:25,469
On a specific level, I would love for
all these cases, these Mueller era cases,
905
00:42:25,469 --> 00:42:29,849
the holes, all these Russiagate collusion
hoax cases, just to be terminated.
906
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,849
DOJ should just end these cases today.
907
00:42:33,659 --> 00:42:36,029
On a broad level, I'm
completely with you here.
908
00:42:36,029 --> 00:42:36,929
we had the rush.
909
00:42:37,049 --> 00:42:41,699
We had the Iraq WMD hoax, which by
the way ran along very similar lines.
910
00:42:41,699 --> 00:42:44,639
They also had their own
Igor Dan Chenko back then.
911
00:42:44,829 --> 00:42:47,049
a guy called Curve
Ball, that was his, his.
912
00:42:47,059 --> 00:42:51,739
code name and he supposedly he's,
he'd seen the WMD and he'd seen all
913
00:42:51,739 --> 00:42:55,579
these trucks with the, these mobile
WMD, labs and all this kind of stuff.
914
00:42:55,789 --> 00:42:56,899
It was all made up.
915
00:42:56,899 --> 00:42:57,829
It was totally made up.
916
00:42:58,099 --> 00:43:00,799
And then after that, they, after
that whole fiasco, they said,
917
00:43:00,799 --> 00:43:02,029
we're gonna do better next time.
918
00:43:02,029 --> 00:43:02,299
And.
919
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:03,489
They didn't do better.
920
00:43:03,489 --> 00:43:05,439
They did it again in Russiagate.
921
00:43:05,439 --> 00:43:08,879
yeah, I think it's fool me once,
fool me twice, kind of thing.
922
00:43:08,879 --> 00:43:10,019
And now we're at three times
923
00:43:10,888 --> 00:43:11,238
Russell Newton: Right.
924
00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:12,839
Hans: not buy into hoaxes.
925
00:43:12,899 --> 00:43:16,479
should just be much, much more,
careful with what they're told and
926
00:43:16,479 --> 00:43:19,329
just circumspect about all these
things, which I think they are.
927
00:43:19,329 --> 00:43:22,389
I think we've really
turned a corner in general.
928
00:43:22,649 --> 00:43:26,889
people are far more skeptical of anything
the government says, than they were.
929
00:43:27,149 --> 00:43:30,749
Back in the WMD days and
also since, since Russiagate.
930
00:43:30,749 --> 00:43:31,829
So I think we're getting there.
931
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:34,219
But that would be, to me,
that's the big takeaway.
932
00:43:34,504 --> 00:43:34,624
I.
933
00:43:35,693 --> 00:43:37,943
Russell Newton: Myself included,
far more skeptical of what.
934
00:43:38,453 --> 00:43:40,493
The government, what the
press, what anybody says.
935
00:43:40,553 --> 00:43:44,103
and part of that comes with age, which
I've got plenty of, but, yeah, it's, so
936
00:43:44,103 --> 00:43:45,393
many things that we didn't get to today.
937
00:43:45,393 --> 00:43:46,413
I, I appreciate your time.
938
00:43:46,413 --> 00:43:50,373
You know, we didn't get to talk about the
FISA Court or the Fisk and, the FISAs.
939
00:43:50,483 --> 00:43:53,363
we didn't get to talk about
the Hillary Clinton's emails.
940
00:43:53,693 --> 00:43:58,013
so many things that are talked
about in depth in the book.
941
00:43:58,283 --> 00:44:01,733
The listeners and, and readers really
need to pick up a copy of this, this
942
00:44:01,733 --> 00:44:05,243
book is endorsed by General Flynn,
who you mentioned a few moments ago,
943
00:44:05,493 --> 00:44:07,473
a great review by him about your book.
944
00:44:07,753 --> 00:44:09,913
so that's a powerful
endorsement there, I believe.
945
00:44:10,333 --> 00:44:13,123
ladies and gentlemen, listeners,
once again, this has been Hans Monka,
946
00:44:13,523 --> 00:44:15,233
author of Swift Voting America.
947
00:44:15,233 --> 00:44:17,363
The book came out just
within the last month or so.
948
00:44:17,363 --> 00:44:18,473
Am I correct, Hans?
949
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:19,859
Hans: The audible version.
950
00:44:19,859 --> 00:44:20,729
Yeah, that's correct.
951
00:44:21,503 --> 00:44:21,833
Russell Newton: Yeah.
952
00:44:22,023 --> 00:44:25,083
so, Books available on
Amazon, other booksellers.
953
00:44:25,293 --> 00:44:30,133
The audio book is available on
Amazon, audible, iTunes, and
954
00:44:30,163 --> 00:44:32,323
probably other, other fronts as well.
955
00:44:32,803 --> 00:44:36,183
Hans, you have a website, hans monka.com
956
00:44:36,213 --> 00:44:38,433
that listeners might want
to visit to learn more about
957
00:44:38,433 --> 00:44:40,053
you and more about the book.
958
00:44:40,053 --> 00:44:41,493
You also have a social media presence.
959
00:44:42,088 --> 00:44:44,998
on XI looked at YouTube, YouTube channel.
960
00:44:44,998 --> 00:44:46,408
That was one of the
questions I had earlier.
961
00:44:46,648 --> 00:44:49,378
It looked like about the time
you started your research here.
962
00:44:49,558 --> 00:44:53,278
Your YouTube channel, didn't get the
attention because you changed your focus.
963
00:44:53,278 --> 00:44:55,468
It looked like you were doing a
lot of legal coursework, and then
964
00:44:55,468 --> 00:44:56,978
you moved into this, researching.
965
00:44:57,308 --> 00:44:59,858
I was hoping to find some things on
YouTube, on your YouTube channel,
966
00:44:59,858 --> 00:45:03,128
but there's so many interviews
and so much good information with
967
00:45:03,128 --> 00:45:04,563
you and about you, and about this.
968
00:45:05,288 --> 00:45:10,078
I hope it, I hope it opens some eyes and
has some effect on the everyday person.
969
00:45:10,378 --> 00:45:12,898
And the closing comment, if I could
say this, you mentioned, you know,
970
00:45:12,928 --> 00:45:14,578
how much is there one person can do?
971
00:45:15,218 --> 00:45:19,718
I think your book is an indication of
that one person that decided to take
972
00:45:19,718 --> 00:45:23,798
this on, to find the truth, determined to
find the truth in an honest and reputable
973
00:45:23,798 --> 00:45:25,718
way, and not present a spin about it.
974
00:45:26,048 --> 00:45:27,848
You've done that, you've
put it out in the public.
975
00:45:28,088 --> 00:45:28,753
It's getting, I hope.
976
00:45:29,333 --> 00:45:32,603
The attention it deserves and, in
the minds of the readers and the
977
00:45:32,603 --> 00:45:35,613
listeners, I hope it will have the
effect, that it should have on us.
978
00:45:35,703 --> 00:45:39,173
Hans, again, thanks for being
with us and, do you have any final
979
00:45:39,173 --> 00:45:41,093
words that you wanna share with
our listeners before we close out?
980
00:45:41,424 --> 00:45:43,314
Hans: First of all, thanks for
having me on, but also thank
981
00:45:43,314 --> 00:45:44,624
you for, reading the book.
982
00:45:44,624 --> 00:45:48,194
it's weird when you have your own, I've
read the book probably 10 times in my
983
00:45:48,194 --> 00:45:50,414
own voice because I had to do editing.
984
00:45:50,414 --> 00:45:52,534
you read it again and
again, as you go through it.
985
00:45:52,534 --> 00:45:56,504
And, so this is the first time I
heard it, someone else, speaking it.
986
00:45:56,504 --> 00:45:58,214
And it was, you really brought it to life.
987
00:45:58,214 --> 00:46:00,494
You have a fantastic voice and, yeah.
988
00:46:00,494 --> 00:46:01,004
Thanks for that.
989
00:46:01,004 --> 00:46:01,459
that was amazing.
990
00:46:02,908 --> 00:46:03,388
Russell Newton: Thank you.
991
00:46:03,478 --> 00:46:05,878
Well, it's written in
such a way that it's easy.
992
00:46:06,483 --> 00:46:10,863
to come across as relatable because
the, the language is, is there.
993
00:46:10,863 --> 00:46:11,463
It's just, it.
994
00:46:11,523 --> 00:46:15,093
The, the, your style of writing is
very approachable, very understandable.
995
00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:18,963
And when you have great material,
it's, it's easy to present
996
00:46:18,963 --> 00:46:20,561
it, in a, in a pleasing way.
997
00:46:20,603 --> 00:46:21,533
So I'm glad you enjoyed it.
998
00:46:21,533 --> 00:46:23,663
I hope our listeners will
as well check that out.
999
00:46:24,083 --> 00:46:26,383
And, I guess that wraps us up for the day.
1000
00:46:26,383 --> 00:46:27,283
We're right at an hour.
1001
00:46:27,463 --> 00:46:28,813
Thank you for your time, Hans.
1002
00:46:28,873 --> 00:46:31,843
I hope you have great success with
the book and with the audio book
1003
00:46:31,873 --> 00:46:34,323
and, Maybe we'll speak again when
you have another book come out.
1004
00:46:34,323 --> 00:46:35,733
I, I'll be looking forward to that.
1005
00:46:35,814 --> 00:46:36,474
Hans: Love to do that.
1006
00:46:36,474 --> 00:46:36,739
Thank you.
1007
00:46:37,743 --> 00:46:38,043
Russell Newton: Great.
1008
00:46:38,353 --> 00:46:41,683
thank you listeners for being with us on
voiceover work and we'll see you next week
